Whatever you find necessary.
Generally for prot, that's Outburst, whether SB is up, and main rotational abilities, CD tracking
#protection
pallid quiver
Any more than that and you're generally looking at information bloat
Other than prot war specific, you might be interested in things like interrupt trackers for M+ or something, but only if you find tracking that is at all useful; do not just grab WAs just because they exist
visual wedge
If your not entirely sure, some creators make UI installers for specific classes you can find on Wago,
velvet escarp
Ahh ok cool I’ll check around a bit more tomorrow
visual wedge
They typically are minimalistic with just the right stuff
dawn canyon
Well those show what they find useful to see
So id say modify them to fit your needs
median tulip
If you need specific help with Weakauras there's a Discord especially for that: https://discord.gg/weakauras
ionic fern
jagged pier
strong forum
strong forum
jagged pier
rude
jagged pier
jagged pier
strong forum
mortal brook
ionic fern
From a design PoV yes, better.
From gameplay point of view, 
lucid pasture
ionic fern
Agreed, consistency is the key.
brittle owl
shhhh
ionic fern
I just got insider info that:
-SS can now reset TC
-TC damage is buffed by another 30%
-WW is removed
-UF is buffed by another 10%
-TC will deal increased damage when both Rend and DW are active on the target
So we're going back to TC spam
ionic fern
Yeah, exactly.
And every 10000th Thunder Clap is a golden clap that instantly executes the target.
ionic fern
Imagine logging in 2h before raid just to Thunder Clap a target dummy 9999 times and then go to raid to TC the boss once and call it a day.
That's the type of raiding i can do.
brittle owl
so like
jagged pier
but youll have to do it for every boss
ionic fern
Just stack 5 warriors.
brittle owl
bfa prot paladin last defender cheese
jagged pier
so after 1 kill youll have to do it again
ionic fern
Every one of them clapos.
dawn canyon
clap cleaves next 2 ST spells 
dawn canyon
cleaving outburst SS also sounds fun
brittle owl
free loot comes with a wait line
strong forum
I just got insider info that:
-SS can now reset TC
-TC damage is buffed by anoth...
🧢
If SS can reset TC, and TC can reset SS, I'd be fine with that
blazing condor
Ss can reset every ability
Just give full rng
You roll last stand 3x in a row
Life is good
grave crane
Doesn’t even reset. SS just casts a random ability every time. It can even cast itself for the shield slam loop
night oracle
so the playstyle and covenant and stuff pretty much stay the same going in s4?
strong forum
Doesn’t even reset. SS just casts a random ability every time. It can even cast ...
"get god tier rng and just delete a boss because of a 1k SS chain in 1 global"
steel mist
guys
is this true
Don't use the season 4 dungeon rings from Iron Docks & Grimrail Depot, they come with strength and have much less secondary stats. Even on high GS they are literally official scams.
strong forum
From what I know, yes that is true
We will see how the official loot tables will look like, but if they're only upscaled versions of the already present ones, they're not gonna be worth due to the fact that they have alot smaller stat budgets overall despite having mainstat
You'll want to use the mechagon ring combo instead because the on-proc haste effect will net ~3% haste on its own
steel mist
that is true
topaz field
How do u use the intervene component of reprisal in raids? You would never intervene your tank friend would you?
chrome falcon
You can do sometimes
Lots of tank busters don’t work with intervene and you’ll generate extra rage by tanking their melees for them
But obviously if you have a debuff that resets when you take a melee or something then just intervene a melee
jagged pier
u just intervene the tank when your tanking
topaz field
and do talents change? do i play into the fray?
jagged pier
theres nothing complicated to it
your not going to take extra debuffs
your not going to screw anything
topaz field
ye thats true
chrome falcon
Well
jagged pier
and your not going ot move the boss as tanks tend to stand together
jagged pier
how im already tanking the boss
chrome falcon
Oh right you said when you’re tanking
Yeah obviously it’s fine then lol
And yes ITF in raid
Go hang out with the melee when you’re not tanking for stacks
topaz field
tropic linden
wait we get to do sludgefist again soon
chrome falcon
Reprisal sludgefist pog
I did nathria as guardian is reprisal like terrible on that fight or
jagged pier
its great made a whole 17 min vid on how to use it on that fight, cause it was a week after rep had come out
blazing condor
Jakey vid helped me back then
You can have 100% block uptime if u play it right
jagged pier
minor helm
minor helm
jagged pier
👀
minor helm
I haven’t watched team America in forever
strong forum
I did nathria as guardian is reprisal like terrible on that fight or
Sludge is literally made for reprisal
On every roar you can charge
On every chain slam you can intervene
On every stomp you can charge
chrome falcon
Oh yeah I forgot there’s a knock back
strong forum
Literally the perfect fight for reprisal
Gonna be some juicy last pillar execute
(if he doesn't die before that)
blazing condor
Banger
chrome falcon
I can’t wait to make my raid do strata so we get fated dmg buff during execute
Fated affixed actually look p cool
strong forum
It's very easy from what I've heard
So you just get an easier raid + an affix which makes the raid easier
chrome falcon
Pog tbh
chrome falcon
Still no idea why they decided to make the longest and hardest tier of the expansion the shortest
But oh well
strong forum
Cuz experiment
dawn canyon
tbf more of seppy woulda made me quit
jagged pier
Sludge is literally made for reprisal
i member ppl disagreeing with us for weeks and weeks about that
blazing condor
Literally made no sense
That it wouldnt be
Reprisal gains value on where you can charge and intervene.Thats literally what you do on sludge
People probably thought that sludge would hit someone else with his passive but if that happens youre just kinda bad tbh
sand drum
will miss skolex and hunt melee down that stands on you and your co tank :>
strong forum
i member ppl disagreeing with us for weeks and weeks about that
Months
People played the wall on every fight for the rest of the tier, despite reprisal being better in every way
And it lasts till this day
The main reason?
Cuz bad
sand drum
The main reason?
played wall first week still not a "ok" Pwar but learning I hope :C
strong forum
Wall was the go-to until 9.0.5
Cuz reprisal was "intervening an attack on a friendly grants you rage + a free IP"
sand drum
Wall was the go-to until 9.0.5
got speed on my wall 😄 try slam a big wall that moves :hmm:
toxic pewter
Looks like wall is better after all. It’s so good it’s coming back for Dragonflight
strong forum
I just said it
dawn canyon
Ah
strong forum
"grants rage and free IP when you intervened an attack"
dawn canyon
Cuz reprisal was "intervening an attack on a friendly grants you rage + a free I...
Eyes useful
chrome falcon
Cuz reprisal was "intervening an attack on a friendly grants you rage + a free I...
That should just be baseline on intervene tee bee aitch
strong forum
Tru
sand drum
:c
chrome falcon
Big skill expression moment
sand drum
anduin HC kekw
dawn canyon
Cuz reprisal was "intervening an attack on a friendly grants you rage + a free I...
As opposed to intervening an unfriendly 
oblique garnet
Who cares its hc
dawn canyon
HC parse frogs care 
toxic pewter
Only thing worse than backseat gaming is backseat developing
That’s my new motto
Gonna get that tattoo’d on me
brittle owl
bruh check felhammer
strong forum
Checking
wild hemlock
im ready to deplete so many 15s tomorrow
finite arch
is 15 tomorrow supposed to be harder than todays 15?
strong forum
Yes
wild hemlock
yes
strong forum
They'll be like 18/19s
finite arch
so the usual shit
wild hemlock
im gonna start with a 10 or 2 of the same dungy so i can learn it
dawn canyon
Yes
wild hemlock
before the 15
finite arch
means, 15 could turn out as a 2
dawn canyon
Essentially +3 and dungeons we did do
wild hemlock
someone get in voice with me and walk me through these dungys
civic holly
What trinkets we want this tier? Rip scale
wild hemlock
ows, aegis, matrix
wild hemlock
im gonna shoot for RDM and ows
civic holly
Oh yep
dawn canyon
Whats matrix
Guardian Trinket from sod
civic holly
Shit man i dont wana raid
wild hemlock
same
civic holly
Can i just buy em from vendor now?
minor helm
Not without raiding
wild hemlock
my buddy is teaching me arms lol
dawn canyon
Yesnt
civic holly
Ah ffs
dawn canyon
my buddy is teaching me arms lol
Ms on CD 
dawn canyon
A lot apparently
lofty widget
that would probably make the raid trinkets shit
dawn canyon
At least we keep catalyst
bold nimbus
Dungeon might be tuned shittily
like taza first weeks 😄
civic holly
Just do the same as the pvp shit, m+ trinkets cap out at 262 except in m+ then theyre 330
Easy
dawn canyon
Well imagine how raiders feel
civic holly
Fuck raiders. Dying content
dawn canyon
Bis trinkets for raid as casters are m+ drops like 90% of the time
civic holly
Well idiot devs ought to fix it
lofty widget
lol its not a problem
civic holly
Its the same shit as making the m+ guys do pvp in season 1 for haste vers
lofty widget
i mean soleahs
civic holly
Is there no good trinkets from the old dungeons coming back?
strong forum
Potentially yea
civic holly
What ywa
dawn canyon
Yea but typo
strong forum
The choking trinket from kara, the AA grants crit chance trinket from kara
civic holly
Any o
Good from kara?
slim zinc
🦶 🧎
civic holly
Ok
civic holly
Ok so i need to find some heroic guild and waste 6 hours a week and screw them over by quitting once i have what i want
Awesome work blizz. So clever
slim zinc
That or just pug for 3 weeks
civic holly
#doubt
civic holly
That or just pug for 3 weeks
Does 3 full weeks of 3 full clears get me heroic ows from vendor?
strong forum
I don't see why you wouldn't
strong forum
Does 3 full weeks of 3 full clears get me heroic ows from vendor?
Yes
slim zinc
Yeah
minor helm
If he clears full heroic 3 times it does
strong forum
You'll have enough shards to upgrade to heroic
lofty widget
you have to kill 20 mythic bosses to get it on mythic ilvl
minor helm
That’s 30 shards
slim zinc
But in 3 weeks you have enough tokens to upgrade it to HC
lofty widget
true
strong forum
Ya but he said HC
civic holly
20 mythic boss kills and i can 100% get M ows?
minor helm
Yeah
civic holly
Done
minor helm
30 normal or higher kills to buy first item
civic holly
Watch how many ppl quit raid groups after getting this but
strong forum
Well duh
minor helm
Supposedly that’s going down
civic holly
Gomna devastate so many guilds
strong forum
Anything but mythic raiding is gonna be over after 6 weeks
slim zinc
~45-50 kills for all 3 coins
strong forum
Cuz everybody will have their dinars + coins
civic holly
All these guilds that just soent the last 6 weeks recruiting
Gonna lose 5 players each 3/4 weeks in
strong forum
You clear HC for 6 weeks, then you'll have 3 dinars + 60 heroic shards to upgrade 3 items to HC ilvl
After that heroic raiding is useless unless you wanna upgrade more items
minor helm
Well achtuacktally 62 shards
slim zinc
Nah 60 so you can ignore fatescribe
shut summit
🤓
strong forum
🤓
minor helm
minor helm
Nah 60 so you can ignore fatescribe
Aah real and true
civic holly
Yo anyone need a warrior dps for mythic this tier? I promise ill stick it out the whole way
minor helm
civic holly
Dont read above
strong forum
strong forum
Dragonaut
sand drum
have I missed something or is +7 mainstat gem better then 16 haste ?
strong forum
It's a marginal difference
Early SL before the gems were nerfed the bfa mainstat gems were better
I think they were 11str and 9str Pre-nerf
mortal brook
Even worse non shadowlands gems don't contribute to your speed gem
slim zinc
Speed gems the best
mortal brook
im gonna miss my speed 262 next season when 262 ilvl is too low
lament shell
sup any kultiran prot can say how op the racial is ?
strong forum
Very not OP
strong forum
It's 2%
What do you expect 2% will do
Pwar takes borderline no dmg, so you don't get any good value out of the 2%
topaz field
they are so big they can use gavel like tauren prot war
toxic pewter
Better to roll Vulpera or Dwarf (I am anti dwarf though myself)
topaz field
if u like the big guys just play them i also always wanted one but got too lazy to quest xD
lament shell
vulpra is bit op
strong forum
I was KT for 3 days for the memes
Biggest regret of my life
I would've swapped instantly back if I could
lament shell
channel?
topaz field
the haymaker
chrome falcon
i said i would go male belf if i got the hidden artifact "on my next try" after 4 hours of constant relogging
topaz field
is a channeling ability
chrome falcon
and i was a man of my word
but holy shit that race/gender combo is so horrible
idk how anyone does it
lament shell
none plays male belf
chrome falcon
the animations for 1h+shield are just disgusting
lament shell
cant think of anyone
mortal brook
why are we using devastate tho
chrome falcon
this was during 7.0
since that was the only time you could get the hidden artifact by spam relogging for 4 hours
mortal brook
sounds awful
strong forum
Devastate was played in all of bfa in keys
Cuz BV shared the row with devastator
In raid you played devastator, in m+ BV
chrome falcon
if playing devastate "sounds awful" then you'd have hated prot warrior for, yknow
the first 75% of its existence
waxen frigate
Maybe better for the WA channel but, anyone know how I can track shield slam procs with a weakaura?
strong forum
Has a higher chance on resetting SS
sweet summit
with a regular SS cooldown tracker
chrome falcon
the weakaura is that SS lights up when it resets
strong forum
And hits slightly less than TC
chrome falcon
the talent is 20% deva is 30%
waxen frigate
with a regular SS cooldown tracker
yes but im trying to make one
it does the reset
but not the glow, and I don't know what the trigger for the glow should be
waxen frigate
but then it just glows constantly
strong forum
Only when it's ready
carmine pine
I don't even mind playing devastate tbh. Just fills your empty globals anyways
strong forum
And you should press it
When it's ready
There's no difference between proc or not
waxen frigate
I can do "if on CD false" and "if time since cast <7" or something like that
sweet summit
you can also add a condition to only glow when in range of a hostile enemy
lofty widget
theres no point differentiating between proc of naturally coming off cd
strong forum
I made mine turn red when not in range
raw gyro
What do you guys think is the best visual race?
lofty widget
What do you guys think is the best visual race?
nelf
chrome falcon
the one i play smile
waxen frigate
What do you guys think is the best visual race?
human bis
strong forum
Dorf
sweet summit
fem orc or dwarf
waxen frigate
this is basically what i have so far, very much still a wip
waxen frigate
ya
waxen frigate
and remaining duration
sweet summit
what are the numbers above hp bar
chrome falcon
you really don't need "remaining duration" on IP
waxen frigate
what are the numbers above hp bar
the 3.4 is the remaining shield block duration
chrome falcon
the "remaining duration" is the next sizable auto or shadow bolt that hits you
waxen frigate
and the blue thing is a progress texture
sweet summit
waxen frigate
ok
chrome falcon
trust me the size of your IP shield hasn't been relevant info since legion
waxen frigate
i'm new to prot warr, have dabbled a bit in previous patches but want to give it another go with s4
chrome falcon
if you have 0 IP or a capped IP
waxen frigate
i'm a brew main so still figuring out what i want to have displayed
waxen frigate
yea i gotta figure out binds that work better for prot warrior
my normal stuff
ain't it
because of GCDs
cobalt seal
get a full WA
waxen frigate
i don't like those
cobalt seal
and ditch stuff
chrome falcon
waxen frigate
i borrow ideas from other weakauras sometimes but i try to write as much as i can myself
cobalt seal
chrome falcon
i respect that
waxen frigate
I borrow a lot between classes as well--my shield block timer for warrior is basically ripped from my sotr timer for pally
chrome falcon
i downloaded towelliee's UI in 5.4 because it was the first thing i saw when i started the game again and basically haven't changed it since 
sweet summit
oh my
waxen frigate
my UI overall is a remake of my old SWTOR ui
the weakauras are just comfort and made for what i feel i need
waxen frigate
example: my brew WA setup
chrome falcon
clean
carmine pine
Yeah that's nice
chrome falcon
biggest thing for pwarr is defo shield block
waxen frigate
ya
chrome falcon
tracking banner is like
waxen frigate
thats why i put a big ass shield icon in the middle of it lul
chrome falcon
nice
sweet summit
shield block and rage
chrome falcon
but not super big
since your playstyle doesn't technically change if it's down
but it's nice to know if it's almost gone so you can panic reprisal or something
waxen frigate
Paladin--you can clearly see I took some stuff from this for my warrior lol
sweet summit
and then just button cooldowns
waxen frigate
like make holy power rage and put sb where sotr is
yup
exactly what i got
and then charge/intervene where goak/ardent are
cobalt seal
Paladin--you can clearly see I took some stuff from this for my warrior lol
you showing bars right?
waxen frigate
you showing bars right?
yes this is just my mid-screen WAs
cobalt seal
and your bars are in button?
waxen frigate
cobalt seal
Your eyes most love running marathons during keys
waxen frigate
the chat window
SWTOR 😉
waxen frigate
they rarely go down on classes I know
it's mostly peripheral vision
like on brew i dont need to track any of my offensive abilities' CDs
i just have it on feel
cobalt seal
:BearconcernR:
chrome falcon
yeah uh unfortunately having it on feel isn't going to work for avatar
waxen frigate
trust me, it works 🙂
cobalt seal
why 2 HP bars?
cobalt seal
trust me, it works 🙂
what does that proof?
dawn canyon
that he can press buttons
waxen frigate
cobalt seal
feeling aint gonna work on pwar
waxen frigate
Ya
dawn canyon
fr tho most pala auras i see also track judge/hammer/shield
cobalt seal
you still moving your eyes
dawn canyon
I can manage shield/judge with peripherals
that seems like it gets fucky with the 2 judgement talent
cobalt seal
when you could easily add to WA
waxen frigate
that seems like it gets fucky with the 2 judgement talent
prob would but i dont use it, since i dont raid on pally
cobalt seal
and not move them at all
waxen frigate
and not move them at all
it gets more cluttered then
dawn canyon
trust me, it works 🙂
so this is m+ logs?
dawn canyon
for not raiding thats good mythic raid logs
waxen frigate
but i'd rather that than clutter
dawn canyon
waxen frigate
for not raiding thats good mythic raid logs
oh thats brew
i dont raid on pally
i do raid on brew
cobalt seal
dawn canyon
its only clutter if your weakaura isnt good 
cobalt seal
what clutter
cobalt seal
you literally place 3 buttons
waxen frigate
more clutter
cobalt seal
below
waxen frigate
i had a bunch of stuff under the holy power bar
before
didnt like it
didnt feel that useful
dawn canyon
if you hid bars you have soo much free space to clutter up
cobalt seal
this
waxen frigate
if you hid bars you have soo much free space to clutter up
unfortunately my UI is hard-burned into my brain for like
9 years
thats why i have the double HP bars and such
waxen frigate
its literally just an obsessive comfort thing
dawn canyon
or rather i change the weakauras
bold nimbus
jagged pier
dawn canyon
idk man i have ideas i wanna try and then stick with em till better idea
waxen frigate
you literally place 3 buttons
whats funny is, if anything, i'd remove some things from my pally before I'd add any
dawn canyon
waxen frigate
the lay on hands and upper defensive row dont get much use
Also in the space between my WAs and my bars is where my boss timers and debuffs are
cobalt seal
to each their own
waxen frigate
ya its frankly not very attractive
it used to be way uglier
its just very utilitarian
strong forum
It's very focused in 1 part of the screen
dawn canyon
Would be too much clutter for me
on mage rn but is this to ur liking 
waxen frigate
It's very focused in 1 part of the screen
it's also all centered around my feet tho, which is intentional
strong forum
Feet boi
waxen frigate
My UI as FDK on KT prog lul. Back when I used luxthos
strong forum
on mage rn but is this to ur liking <:garms:917120195527598201>
I'd hide action bars, then yes
cobalt seal
My UI as FDK on KT prog lul. Back when I used luxthos
O_O
dawn canyon
neither of those 2 but i dont recognize it
cobalt seal
cobalt seal
why is your map where the chat goes
why would chat be top left?
waxen frigate
because thats where it is in swtor
🙂
also
yall wanna see clutter
BEHOLD, MY MONK BARS
cobalt seal
I really hope
strong forum
Don't need to track like half of these
cobalt seal
those are mouse keybinds
urban bane
0️⃣
waxen frigate
those are mouse keybinds
they are lmao
cobalt seal
good
waxen frigate
i have a naga
strong forum
What did you just call me
dawn canyon
you should
waxen frigate
it feels like i need to be able to press IP and shield block at the same time as other stuff
this is what i have currently--kyrian is temp pls dont comment on it 🙂
chrome falcon
yeah dw your tiny slow brm cpm will evolve over time
waxen frigate
dawn canyon
IP on a modifier seems bad
waxen frigate
ya thats what im thinking
dawn canyon
idk put it to F
waxen frigate
im thinking also F
chrome falcon
get IP on a button you can easily press during core rotation
chrome falcon
^
dawn canyon
sweet summit
IP on E, R, F, scroll wheel good, maybe even q
chrome falcon
during execute phase you will be using it instead of revenge
waxen frigate
shift-6 isnt hard to spam for me
chrome falcon
fair enough
waxen frigate
but an execute button on any other key
will fuck my muscle memory
i feel like shield block on alt-1 should be ok
chrome falcon
if that's easy for you then sure
i have it on a mouse button that's v easy to press
you want to make sure you can easily press it at the same time as charge
waxen frigate
generally speaking 1-12 are my main offensive abilities
Shift 1-12 are utilities and overflow from 1-12 slots
Alt 1-12 are defensives
and alt-4 is kick
and specifically basically every single button has a specific archetype or set of archetypes for me
chrome falcon
what do you have on mouse wheel
chrome falcon
well up to you you seem pretty comfortable with your set up but
dawn canyon
not having any real keyboard binds seems so weird but if it works 🤷♀️
chrome falcon
i would definitely put stuff on mousewheel
dawn canyon
also keybind healthstone
chrome falcon
kick on mouse wheel works very well imo
waxen frigate
also keybind healthstone
it's alt-=
waxen frigate
ohh
ya
the old one is from before i had it bound
i just havent taken it off
also im gonna move shield slam to 1 and revenge to 2
because thats my normal builder/spender setup
idk why its backwards on warr
gonna experiment with IP on F
I almost want to make it spacebar
dawn canyon
i like jumping
waxen frigate
same
strong forum
SS should be a bit higher
lusty tiger
This was a long time ago
strong forum
Ah
lusty tiger
I’m getting like 50% banner now but spires makes that ):
lusty tiger
I’ve been reborn as a dark iron dwarf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XvwQty2paVKnHh3J#fight=4&type=auras&source=7
This place sucks and so did that lock
strong forum
That's some mighty low cpm
dawn canyon
demo
lusty tiger
No
strong forum
You only did 360 casts of SS in 44min when I did 450 SS in 34min
You really need to pay more attention to your buttons
median tulip
18 Intervenes and 37 Avatars in a 44m dungeon?
lusty tiger
I spent the whole time flying back
strong forum
Yeah need to really press every button more
Nah flying alone doesn't cause those few presses
That's just excuses
chrome falcon
i mean even if we're not looking at the raw number of casts
the ratio is also whacked
IP should not be top casts
median tulip
Also only 6 Shield Walls; you should have that shit every pull if you cycle rage enough
lusty tiger
IP should not be top casts
This is what I need to know
lofty widget
IP should not be top casts
median tulip
Only 46% blocked hits tells a story, doesn't it?
lusty tiger
I am working on block uptime too
strong forum
Yeah, in your case I'd work on pressing SS TC and SB alot more often
For starters
Do that first
Then work on reprisal more
lusty tiger
A less bad run
chrome falcon
i know we say to spam IP a lot
strong forum
You want SB usage at around 5cpm
chrome falcon
but you're going too far
median tulip
You're not playing around Reprisal enough; if you're not playing around it, then you effectively don't have a legendary
strong forum
Your SB is only at 2.4
chrome falcon
you're probably missing revenge casts because you're IPing enough
strong forum
That's waaaaaayyy too little
It's your main mitigation
SB must be around 5-5.5cpm
cobalt seal
A less bad run
that's still like 20 CPM
strong forum
Any lower is just sitting on it too long
cobalt seal
below what it should be
strong forum
I recommend hitting a training dummy
And try to keep up Banner for 3 minutes
That's literally the perfect rotation practice
Cuz it forces you to use everything and to charge weave
Otherwise you won't be able to keep it up
If you can manage that consistently and indefinitely, you'll be better at everything
lusty tiger
Should I use the dummy that hits me?
strong forum
Any dummy works
The dummy that hits you makes it easier
But not necessary if you're good
I got to 16min on a dummy that doesn't hit me, and without an intervene target
The dummys that hit back should make you be able to stack up a banner of over 30seconds
Of raw buff duration
lusty tiger
So what is rage spending prio then.
SB>Revenge>IP
chrome falcon
SB always if you're getting melee'd
revenge to fill globals without SS/TC
IP to dump excess
lusty tiger
So IP>revenge at full rage
lusty tiger
So you can SS
chrome falcon
if you're at full rage you should have already IP'd
chrome falcon
if you're full rage you don't have to prioritise IP or anything
because it's off GCD
you just press it
chrome falcon
don't think of IP as mitigation
modern brook
It's still a warrior class
chrome falcon
just think of it as the button you press to avoid overcapping
chrome falcon
^
modern brook
Typing hard that's how u know I'm good at this game
chrome falcon
time spent thinking is better spent just pressing buttons faster
dead globals = dead tank on this class
just do buttons
rather have 80 cpm of a basically correct rotation than 60 cpm of pressing the correct button every time
strong forum
IP if above 70, revenge if above 30
Roughly
Revenge + IP if Ls + rav active
And so on
It's a very fast paced spec
lusty tiger
It’s not like fury spamming between 2 buttons there’s like 6
strong forum
And charge weave if you need rage
Also charge weave if you're about to cap charge CD
You always want charge to be ticking
chrome falcon
the on-gcd rotation is literally 3 buttons
the problem is that there's also like 4-5 buttons off GCD
crystal iris
monk does feel slow after running a few prot keys
blazing condor
Technically 70 is above 30
strong forum
Yes
vapid lynx
How do you do the charge weaving if everything is in melee? Leap out charge in?
chrome falcon
no
just walk literally 2 steps away and charge back in
you have 30% move speed
they have 20% slow
median tulip
How do you do the charge weaving if everything is in melee? Leap out charge in?
You need to practice the stutter step to do it right
chrome falcon
there are casters and you have stuns
there's no stutter step you just
run out
and charge
it's not complicated
median tulip
also you are probably doing the thing a lot of people do and being closer than you need to be whilst meleeing; practice on open world mobs and see how far away from their hit box you can be and still be in melee range
lusty tiger
Do you just drop: charge, charge, intervene basically as soon as possible each pack
Ex first pull of the dungeon other than maybe your banner burst CDs are those 3 the first cooldowns we should always be looking to blow
chrome falcon
use intervene on cooldown and always have at least 1 charge on cooldown
blazing condor
You will very likely overcap rage doing so and also lose SB uptime (since it has a cap)
chrome falcon
but don't use them immediately after each other
you will cap rage and also waste revenge procs
blazing condor
I use charges and intervene to fill gap in normal SB
topaz field
sb has a cap?
lusty tiger
Does your free revenge add time to banner?
lofty widget
no
lofty widget
well revenge procs are 0 rage
chrome falcon
and yet they trigger indom
lusty tiger
I’m pretty sure mm hunter has a feedback loop because their free aimed shots charges their tier
chrome falcon
plenty of examples of "free" rage procs still triggering rage spending abilities
topaz field
i only see mm hunters lying dead on floor cant rlly tell
sweet summit
consistency and blizzard
pick one, can't have both
lusty tiger
I’m just saying maybe it’s not “sensible” but dam would be nice
ocean yoke
revenge proc does tier too throws me off sometime
lofty widget
only if youre at 7 stacks
lusty tiger
?
chrome falcon
revenge proc moves you from 7 stacks to outburst
try not to think too hard about it
it's like the fourth worst bug with the tier
urban portal
I’m pretty sure mm hunter has a feedback loop because their free aimed shots cha...
Don’t think so
Aimee shot just takes so long to cast and consumes so little focus on comparison
For aimed shots it’s mostly gated by the cd
lusty tiger
U have a hunt with 4pc?
urban portal
Never mind I’m wrong
lusty tiger
I know
lusty tiger
I don’t need that
lusty tiger
Yeah…
minor helm
I’m pretty sure mm hunter has a feedback loop because their free aimed shots cha...
Sudden death procs also count for tactician resets for arms
lusty tiger
Yeah so my point exactly why blizz);
sick sentinel
post lvl 50 monk is kinda legit
wild hemlock
did anyone watch max talk about the class discords yesterday lmaoooo
chrome falcon
no but from your phrasing should i assume it was super cringe
sick sentinel
have a link?
wild hemlock
it was like a history of class discord and him dogging them
pretty entertaining// kinda cringe
wild hemlock
have a link?
sure dont bucko
sick sentinel
who? no idea who that is lol
blazing condor
Tbh class discords can be really hit or miss
ionic fern
Max is famous for being anti everything tho.
topaz field
brewmaster discord was trying to tell ppl that using TP would not help their tankiness
strong forum
tp?
hollow kayak
tiger palm, probably
It reduces your brew CDs, so if you have the energy it seems like a good thing to use. brews are life.
urban portal
well
the alternative is to SCK
and reduce the CD of niuzao
thats the opportunity cost
literally some of the best brewmasters can do a key without casting more than 15 tps
sick sentinel
back in my day it was TP TPT TP TP in wc3 for tp to my base to save my ass in 4v4
deft hinge
back in my days it was beavis and butthead saying : tp for my banghole
urban portal
brewmaster discord was trying to tell ppl that using TP would not help their tan...
in a dos 25, the top log brew casted 67 tps and 230 scks
the higher key you go the more you are pressured to cast tps
topaz field
obviously
sick sentinel
sounds about right
wild hemlock
who? no idea who that is lol
liquid (limit) max
topaz field
in a dos 25, the top log brew casted 67 tps and 230 scks
following that logic u could say dont press Shield block unless u have to surrive
urban portal
technically yes
but shield block is 60% of your mitigation
tiger palm is so little comparatively
SCK both is a higher dps, keeps up shuffle, and gives you niuzao cdr
crystal iris
the higher key you go the more you are pressured to cast tps
what? 67 is not that much
urban portal
so its a very minor hps down to have a bunch of other benefits
cobalt seal
Dh discord
havoc dh discord*
urban portal
what? 67 is not that much
67 in a 25
200 in a 29
so yes it increases
im not saying 67 is a lot
crystal iris
i mean ya id be hitting it in a 29 too, shit
urban portal
thats definitely the brewmaster foresight tho
crystal iris
SCK had no value really does it
urban portal
reducing cd of niuzao is huge dps in big pulls
dawn canyon
I only look at pala war and DK
urban portal
if you get more of it
mighty valley
i've heard rogue discord is a bunch of babies too
crystal iris
oh my bad I thought it was just blackoutkick that reduced it
urban portal
i've heard rogue discord is a bunch of babies too
but their theorycrafters are insane
they are the ones pushing limits of simc
topaz field
i find the rogue ppl friendly
topaz field
like extremly helpful
mighty valley
rogues are the original theorycrafters
dawn canyon
Rogue tmog channel kinda bayzed
wild hemlock
max had great things to say about rogue/spriest
cinder storm
There's something positive about meta specs a fotm classes from what I've gathered in other discords, there are many, many bad players who can't even time a 15-20 with meta specs and can't even do a very basic rotation
wild hemlock
says rogues were simc gangstersssss
cinder storm
In a sense, I'm glad we are no "meta" rn
mighty valley
i think a lot of DPS focused class discords have a good number of super chill geniuses keeping things in line, plus a bazillion "why am I not meta right now" kids
dawn canyon
Like great or "great"
crystal iris
There's something positive about meta specs a fotm classes from what I've gather...
meh, everyone can press rain of fire
but you notice at the end of the 20 they have 3 interrupts and used 3 dark pacts, 0x mortal coil, ate 1 cookie and stunned twice...
sick sentinel
How many times have they had to nerf warlocks this expansion
cinder storm
We could ve have 50 posts a day asking about the rotation and instead we were following yogis road to 20s and apbs shitposting
dawn canyon
Like great or "great" <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Love the delay on my messages
Maan it's so annoying
cinder storm
meh, everyone can press rain of fire
You'd be surprised
crystal iris
You'd be surprised
I mean you can still do 14k or more in a key if the only buttons you press are Rains and infernal
cinder storm
I had to tell every lock o found, the difference between you and a good lock is a good lock knows you only press RoF
crystal iris
maybe CB for boss fights
vapid lynx
Had a destro do 11k in my 19SD last night it was a sight
cinder storm
People capping on shards and not using them
cinder storm
Mist 23, lock never used RoF or barely used it, 11k overall
topaz field
imagine holding infernal on first boss mists
like 90 % of the wls
when u get it back by pressing rof
crystal iris
I mean you use like 10-15s before phase
topaz field
u hopefully use it on pull
crystal iris
if it drops before the burn phase youre looking at a 10k boss fights vs 30k lol
topaz field
or you are out for next key sir
crystal iris
no lol
as long as you press before urh dies and early enough that you can get a few more infernals out before burn phase
cinder storm
Most groups wipe on that boss because all of them hold CDs for burn phase when you have urh
dawn canyon
Lock hard 
crystal iris
I levelled one up and its the stupidest thing ever
no one answered about yogi though, last i heard he was about to quit in 12s
did he make it to 20s?
crystal iris
rough out there
cinder storm
We should run a 20 5 tank with yogi
crystal iris
I did a few 18s this week trying to get back into prot
but Im avoiding NW, Gambit and DoS
dawn canyon
Nw is the free one
vapid lynx
I like NW on my prot except 2nd boss
chrome falcon
no more DoS ever again starting tomorrow
cinder storm
Gambit just pull sentries, more % less necrotic
chrome falcon
vapid lynx
no more DoS ever again starting tomorrow
But my OPC 😭
cinder storm
JY should be the easiest key next week
vapid lynx
Nah gonna be tazavesh, be the only one not massively overturned 😭
chrome falcon
we never had to do mecha without awakened carrying it
mighty valley
i'm gonna be missing every single shadowlands dungeon the second i step into grimrail
chrome falcon
huge true
hopefully everyone who voted grimrail realises they're far too stupid to be part of a democratic system and never votes again
either in game or out of it
mighty valley
public vote bad idea
crystal iris
I think what I find annoying about prot is how much jumpy rage intake is
mighty valley
kill democracy
cinder storm
JY wasn't that dependant on awakened imo, you can still skip most packs of you know where to walk
chilly brook
hopefully everyone who voted grimrail realises they're far too stupid to be part...
I knew exactly what I was doing when I voted for grimrail thank you
vapid lynx
I’ve heard the same sentiment from people about grimrail, makes me wonder how it won
lofty widget
it's novel
chrome falcon
or you did it a few times during wod
lofty widget
"we're in a moving train WOW"
vapid lynx
Ye ol nostalgia bug?
I never got to play during WoD and never leveled in WoD dungeons
crystal iris
some pulls ive got 12s of SB already sitting at 80 rage spammning revenge and IP with demo ready to go feels useless to hit generators at all when im just throwing it into IP