protection

[mighty valley]

prioritize generating rage, fill every other GCD with revenge, use IP off GCD to make sure you never cap on rage

[chrome falcon]

1. Shield slam on cooldown (unless ravager or demo shout are up)
2. TC if you feel like you need the rage
3. Spam revenge until you get a shield slam proc
4. Spam ignore pain to dump rage

That's the whole rotation

[mighty valley]

until execute when it takes over for revenge

[knotty trail]

Bro y’all are dope thanks

[chrome falcon]

Oh and 5) Have 90 cpm

enjoy

post logs here when you have them we will gladly analyse them to help you improve

[knotty trail]

Bless up will do!

[chrome falcon]

oh and get the outburst weakaura in the pins

[knotty trail]

Flame/praise same thing

Just grabbed it earlier today

[cinder nova]

TC is probably a press if you can't use Revenge, IP, and don't have anything else to press.

[chrome falcon]

Nah I mean we can't hate on TC that much

It does something

if i'm at like 32 rage i'll probably TC

[cinder nova]

Yeah, just worried "feel like you need the rage" is too nebulous for someone that doesn't already know the class that well.

[chrome falcon]

well yeah but it was only a 5 point list

and one of those points was a joke

it's just something to start out

you can't really "tell someone" how to play pwarr rn like tbh

it doesn't matter what you press

[mighty valley]

it's just like when you're not in the phases where rage is flooding in

TC is fine

[chrome falcon]

just press something and press it very fucking fast

and make sure it's shield slam if you can

[mighty valley]

always be casting

coffee is for casters

[chrome falcon]

yes sirrr

[mighty valley]

first place CPM gets a car, second place steak knives

[wispy pawn]

is Unity gonna be bis on ring next season since it has no Str on the slot and it goes to 291 only? or has that not been sim'd/sorted out yet

[cinder nova]

Oooo, that's a good question, huh?

[waxen orbit]

I’m gonna put money on absolutely

[urban portal]

No

Because Mechagon rings

So it has to be something almost as bad as ring

[cinder nova]

Are they not getting nerfed?

[urban portal]

People are saying waists

[wispy pawn]

yeah i was thnking for M+ it's Boots/Ring, since pants for Reprisal would be bad cause of the bigger stats u can get. Then i thought ring for unity.

[urban portal]

But yeah rings and wrists are close competition

Or cape

[cinder nova]

Whatever has the lowest stat weight that isn't a ring is probably your answer.

[wispy pawn]

wasn't there a decent rework to mecha rings? i guess we gotta see on tuesday

[cinder nova]

Any of the WOD trinkies worth doing? Do we have any word on that?

[cursive tree]

Any word on str rings from wod being > then mechagon rings

[sweet summit]

str rings from wod are absolutely dogpiss

[urban portal]

Bad

Really bad

Unless tuning changes on Tuesday

[sweet summit]

:v)

[cinder nova]

Wow, really?

How.

[urban portal]

Because it’s low budget

The secondaries are really low

Idk what you want us to say

[sweet summit]

tooltips may not be accurate but you get the picture

[cinder nova]

Hmm... you'd think the extra STR would be massive.

[urban portal]

Not if you are losing more than double that in secondaries

A regular ring has 320 secondaries

A word ring is 130

So you are missing 190 secondaries

[sweet summit]

you're also missing out on 109.4 haste from mechagon set

[cinder nova]

How are the mecha rings parsing

[urban portal]

Good

[sweet summit]

the best

[cinder nova]

You got one on that?

[sweet summit]

haste > nature damage

[cinder nova]

Or do we not have sims set up for it? I'd wager we do since you could just scrape the BFA ones and bump the numbers.

[sweet summit]

yea sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsLTocBhoxwHnuhGaRV4w9

not a perfect profile, and tuning can change this

[urban portal]

The sim is literally here

[sweet summit]

but this is the best profile i could do with limited effort on a 5 minute sim

[urban portal]

Or you can gear compare them

That works fine

[sweet summit]

yep

[cinder nova]

How are we proccing the ring?

[sweet summit]

deep wounds

[cinder nova]

Does that seriously work?

[sweet summit]

did in bfa

so i assume it does

[cinder nova]

Here's hoping.

[sweet summit]

otherwise just use the 3 abilities one

cos off gcd abilities like IP and SB works(worked)

[cinder nova]

God... targeting Mecha rings is gonna be a massive PitA

[urban portal]

Yeah it will be

Though they are rings

[cinder nova]

Trading one hell for another. Dinars only soften the blow.

[urban portal]

So if you just go hit up a bunch of 2s

Dinars can’t give dung loot

So yeah

Any crazy trinkets in Mechagon at least?

Or no

[sweet summit]

doubt it

bike was only good in pvp

and i can't remember the other one

so prob not good

if, and that is a massive IF punchcards drop (and how m0/hardmodes works with these dungeons) i can see recal being played again

🙏

[cinder nova]

That'd be bananas

[sweet summit]

miss her...

[urban portal]

That’s still better than codex

[cinder nova]

What a cutie.

[sweet summit]

true

[urban portal]

If codex had like, vers

There would be so much more debate around it

[sweet summit]

yeah imagine having more than two good tank trinkets per expansion

wild

[slow nova]

so we buy ows, defense matrix and sylv shield from vendor?

in that order aswell right, get ows asap

[sweet summit]

yeah sure, ideally get LoD shield as it has haste

but that would work too

[slow nova]

yeah, prolly just a matter of if u need haste - what's a good % for hste to have as prot?

[cinder nova]

There are no breakpoints.

Er.r...

Requirements.

[sweet summit]

as high as possible without exceeding 40% (tax bad) and ilvl

no magic numbers to aim for

[cinder nova]

There is no "need" haste.

Or any other stat for that matter.

[slow nova]

ok ty

I got roughly 40% on bdk and feels best to play

was just curious 😉

[urban portal]

Don’t buy shield

I still refuse to believe buying shield is bis

[cinder nova]

weppin

[sweet summit]

what else would you buy? weapon?

[urban portal]

I think the only reason to buy it, is if you have 20 mythic tokens

And a dinar left

So you can immediately bring it to 311

I would buy ows rdm

Then aegis if it hasn’t dropped by then

But I have mastered pugging first 3 mythic

The nine stands no chance

[crystal iris]

nine was always fine but dragging a pug past the eye was fkn annoying

[urban portal]

Yea

Eye is too powerful

And main problem next tier is that first vault is first 2

So people may not wanna do nine

[cinder nova]

Hopefully it's just a steamroll. H especially is apparently balanced to be pretty ezpz

At least for s4

[sweet summit]

should be a pretty chill "tier"

[open bluff]

for competent players maybe, but have you met the average wow player

[cinder nova]

Please don't remindme

[open bluff]

not an issue if you don't pug tbh

[cinder nova]

I was watching pugs just flop and flounder on lots of H bosses in SFO when I was just killing time.

[urban portal]

mythic eye is harder than any boss

change my mind

[cinder nova]

Even then, my M Daus kill I was top damage on adds as a tank

And I was legit malding

[open bluff]

i mean i've seen groups get determination stacks on lfr anduin and jailer

and there are literally 0 mechanics on either boss

[slow nova]

I wonder how hard mythic is for ppl that progressed/killed everything in SL

[cinder nova]

Wdym?

[slow nova]

with the additional affix

[cinder nova]

Oh, probably trivial.

They balanced S4 to make it so it's not like you're reprogging.

[slow nova]

if its gotta be like a 10pull thing or more

[cinder nova]

Yeah, no doubts that CE guilds are gonna just breeze.

[queen hemlock]

How do people get high lvls of old warriors soul tho

[cinder nova]

Dinars

Right now? Doing Mythic SOD

Have fun wrangling your guild to go do that.

[queen hemlock]

S4 it will be fated right?

[cinder nova]

Yeah. Week 3 you can just buy one

[queen hemlock]

My guild dont raid LuL

Oh cool

Will they put overpowering crystal for purchase too,

[slow nova]

Afaik it's only raid loot from.vendors

[queen hemlock]

Oh shame
Still thanks

[urban portal]

opc will be gone

forever

so yeah

you can still farm 262 opc

[naive laurel]

stupid ass question but 2pc says it makes SL and thunderclap 200% more effective, does that mean 200% increased dmg?

[urban portal]

yes

[queen hemlock]

Opc?

[urban portal]

and more slow

[naive laurel]

gotcha ty

[urban portal]

and more rage

but you still dont press it

[naive laurel]

w8 what

explain pls

[drifting fable]

you should prioritize spending outburst on Shield Slam over TC when possible

[naive laurel]

OH

gotcha

just bcs of rage gen? thought it would be TC for aggro purposes

[drifting fable]

just revenge for aggro

and yes the rage gen is why

generating and spending rage is more important

feeds banner, outrage, AM, etc

[naive laurel]

ahh

[drifting fable]

revenge alot for aggro, ravager is good when its yo

up*

[naive laurel]

gotcha

[urban portal]

people do TC eraly for aggro

nothing wrong with that

you just try not to if you can help it

[cinder nova]

I wish we had something better for aoe snap

TC is so anemic

[mighty valley]

revenge

AOE heroic throw is going to be a nice qol thing in 10.0 though

[queen hemlock]

Dragon flight?

Was it the more aggro thing

Was actually looking forward to the dragon roar/shout with the new blood and thunder coat shout

Big damage on 45 secs each means more aggro

[mighty valley]

yeah we'll have to see how the tree works

rage from bleeds + bleed spreading sounds neat in theory

[candid path]

Sounds old

[queen hemlock]

Oh and the pummel and shield slam cd down

All gud stuff

[candid path]

Cata is back to haunt us

[mighty valley]

cata is literally my only gap in real wow playing, i healed heroic dungeons and that's it

so no idea how it worked in practice

[queen hemlock]

Heres hoping they make a talent tree all into shield bash and it somehow cleaving
Become the uber tristram paladin i wish to be

[urban portal]

the aoe throw is 3/4th of a TC

but ranged

[candid path]

Adds rotational bloat and a maintenance debuff, no real mechanical interaction otherwise

[urban portal]

so you can throw, charge, roar

also what do you mean no mechanical interaction

[mighty valley]

i would hope that in the modern version TC would keep it up indefinitely

[candid path]

Imagine the current rotation but you have to rend at the start of every pull

[urban portal]

rage from bleeds means we get rage from DW

you only need to rend once

[grave crane]

i wouldnt mind the ww torghast talent every ss

[urban portal]

and TC keeps it up forever

having to rend once a pull is a small price to pay for a lot of extra rage

[grave crane]

plus its free damage

[candid path]

If you played BDK prior to Legion, you know about how fun maintaining and spreading diseases was

[grave crane]

one rend turns into 5 or more

[urban portal]

if heart strike spread diseases

then who cares

if tc spreads rend

who cares

you are going to tc on cd now that we dont have tier

[candid path]

Bear in mind it's not free rage, it's rage that was redistributed from other parts of the kit

[torpid junco]

What are our BiS trinkets in season 4?

[queen hemlock]

I do think that with talent trees

[urban portal]

rdm ows aegis

[bold nimbus]

Cocaine and waffles

[grave crane]

i mean its kind of free rage

[queen hemlock]

You can have a different choice in how you wish to make your rage generation

You know rpg elements and all

[grave crane]

we didnt get rage from bleeds and we could potentially now get rage from bleeds

[mighty valley]

i'm gonna be a chad and wear buffed jailer scars no matter how much healers complain

[urban portal]

tossing out 1 global at the beginning of a fight and never using it again

is not a big deal

[queen hemlock]

Sorry what is rdm?

[urban portal]

sure as hell more interactive than sinful brand

reactive defense matrix

[mighty valley]

yeah i don't really care about rage tuning, they can get that right or wrong

[queen hemlock]

Oh ok

[grave crane]

charge rend clap

[torpid junco]

Not so Leah?

[grave crane]

now 5 dudes got rend and every tc after spreads it more easy clap baby

[urban portal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-eggcat-gif-25127046

having to TC on cd?

[torpid junco]

Prot warrior going to be out of bottom tier next week ?

[grave crane]

Lol

[urban portal]

if you need to ask that question

its still going to be bottom tier

[queen hemlock]

They havent specific if tc resets right or

How does it work now

[urban portal]

resets what

tc spreads rend

[grave crane]

we dont know anything yet just datamine

[queen hemlock]

Rend*

[urban portal]

rend lasts for like 17 seconds right now

but yes we dont know if the new guys get a fresh rend

or a current duration rend

[queen hemlock]

Current rend duration is pretty sadge

[grave crane]

they could also tune rend to be shorter duration

[urban portal]

either way

as long as its more than 6 seconds and applies fresh rends

its good

[grave crane]

free rage is free rage

[urban portal]

if rend gets shorter the DPET better stays the same

because DPET of rend right now is honestly not that good

its literally just 2 slams

[grave crane]

the entire duration is worth 2 slams?

[urban portal]

lemme check

[queen hemlock]

Dpet is damage per tick?

[sweet summit]

damage per execution time

[urban portal]

damage per execute time

so basically how much damage you did in one global

[queen hemlock]

OH ok

[grave crane]

you dont rend for dam though you do it for crit dam bonus no?

[urban portal]

well they are removing the crit bonus

[queen hemlock]

Yea but

They remove crit

Ye

[urban portal]

nvm

its about 2.9 slams

lets round that up to 3

[grave crane]

yeah but right now arms rends for the bonus

[urban portal]

the bonus isnt that much damage either

[sweet summit]

3 slams for half the cost is not horrible

[urban portal]

its the same cost

both are 20 rage

but the bonus is approximately, 2-3% damage?

but the combination of both makes it good

[grave crane]

each slam is 20 rage?

[urban portal]

yes

the rend bonus is 10% crit damage

[grave crane]

60 rage for 3 slams or 20 rage for 3 slams over 15 seconds

[urban portal]

which is a 5% dps up at 100% crit

the default profile has 25% crit

so its about a 1.25% dps up

the rend crit bonus

its honestly not that relevant

[sweet summit]

no i mean 3 slams is 60 rage and one rend is 30 rage or

[urban portal]

1 rend is also 20

[grave crane]

so realistically you rend and get 3 slams worth of dam and then can do 2 more slams so its better to rend 1 slam 2

[urban portal]

Of course

That’s why you take the talent

[sweet summit]

isn't rend 30 rage ?

[urban portal]

Yeah it is

My bad

[grave crane]

ah shit maths all funky

[urban portal]

So on a Damage per rage basis it’s like 2 slams

Either way though it may not be rage positive at low target counts

But it still does dam

So who knows

On prot you have to compare it with revenge

And id imagine revenge is weaker than slam

If tc is refreshing rends then we are honestly fine

[sweet summit]

yeah

i'm way too excited to see the trees man...

need a 2 day coma rn

[grave crane]

sure would be nice if we could get them reses

reset*

[urban portal]

i hope warrior warlock goes last

[sweet summit]

wth

how come?

[urban portal]

alphabetical order ofc

[sweet summit]

[urban portal]

The optimal gameplay is to have a badly designed tree

And get fixed via aura

[sweet summit]

what no

want great tree

[grave crane]

to be fair, 3 out of 3 tank trees look pretty solid so far. so i have hope ours will too

[sick sentinel]

i liked lvling dk alot more than lvling monk so far

[crystal iris]

reprisal first capstone at the top of the tree

[sweet summit]

no

not happening

[crystal iris]

"weve found this ability a core part of why players LOVE prot warrior throughout shadowlands"

[sweet summit]

pestilence

[grave crane]

i took all my gear off to check the cd on SB. 16 seconds unbuffed. wild

[sweet summit]

reduce it to 14

problem solved

[grave crane]

fuck that reduce it to 12 unbuffed

[sick sentinel]

something like reprisal , where if you heroic leap or charge at enemy above 90% yougetdmg bufv, mostly vs that target

[sweet summit]

why stop at 12 then, go for 8

[grave crane]

i like the way you think. SB has no cd and is off the gcd. ip goes away

[crystal iris]

make us pallies

SS = SB ez mode

lol ok no dont destroy the class

but making SB uptime easier to maintain would be nice

[sick sentinel]

how about sr you can reflect away bolts on otherplauers if thebolt hit box would travel through you to hit that player

[crystal iris]

but I get that the whole managing SB uptime is a core part of the class

[cinder storm]

tbf, its mostly for pwar this season

rest of tanks have been dumbed down

[urban portal]

only vdh and pwar has to manage defensives

tho in DF they are trying to give prot pal less uptime too

[orchid frigate]

can the creation impetus upgrade an item from season 3 or does it only work on season 4 items?

[strong forum]

will only work on s4 items i reckon

[orchid frigate]

yeah i guess

[sharp dew]

I saw a comment somewhere but didn’t find the evidence myself so I’m guessing it’s bs “spell reflect reflects the spell but then continues to stay up for the remainder of the duration keeping its DR%”. I don’t see blue posts so I’m guessing that’s fake

[mighty valley]

It’s not true just now but data mining suggests it might come back as a talent

[sharp dew]

A talent to reflect all spells like in legion? Or just to reflect one instance and stay up for the magic dmg dr

[undone verge]

a talent that gave shield wall spell reflect for its duration I think would be fun

I cant speak to how balanced it would be, but I certainly would enjoy it

[zealous willow]

Shield block to block 50% of magic dmg might be good. I rly wish to see some crit block function, cus is what makes warr block diff. Paladins have magic block, we must have something like that too

[dawn canyon]

Idk man

Do we want to be like pala

[undone verge]

I want to make SW reflect magic dmg then take a build to have as much SW as possible and it be dumb

[primal rain]

How exactly is the new IP cap determined?

Is it a percentage of health?

[lofty widget]

it's in the pins, its capped at 30 % of your max hp now

[primal rain]

pins say it's a 30% buff to the cap, but not how cap is determined

[lofty widget]

the cap is 30 % of your max hp

[signal gale]

What’s gonna be the go to trinkets for season 4 mythic plus focused?

[cobalt seal]

RDM Aegis OWS

[vapid lynx]

Aegis is the one from the nine right?

[slow nova]

yes

[lament shell]

sup is vulpera that good ?

how much healing is it in overall? 5%?

dungeons on forti

[dawn canyon]

its good but if you dont want to be one its nothing crucial

[strong forum]

vulp does a few hundred K per key

like 500-600k

[lament shell]

big big

[sweet summit]

where do you buy conduits from flux

[drifting fable]

should be same vendor right?

guy by flight path

in ori

[sweet summit]

cool ty

it's not here

[drifting fable]

i think its s4 drop

is when its live

[sweet summit]

[drifting fable]

rn you gotta do the ksh or mythic sotfo

[grave crane]

Or get glad in pvp and the guy that sells that is near the innkeeper in ZM

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera is actually the best prot warrior race because of the 40yd bag of tricks. It gives warrior a 40yd pull. Nose for trouble is also the best defensive racial after dwarf racials. Dwarf is probably best for many, but for me, Vulpera is my favorite.

[lusty tiger]

Switching to dark iron today I think

Dark iron > regular dwarf ?

[drifting fable]

whichever one looks cooler

[lusty tiger]

Night elf

But every time I run SD I’M sad I’m an orc

What do debuffs look like for the new dungeons anyway

[grave crane]

why would you be sad to be an orc, best mog fits and stun reduction. we hardy af

[slow nova]

I think its from the rep vendors as it is now, but could be wrong

[sweet summit]

did not see it there

[slow nova]

with s4 tho starting

right now its 3k io

"The Vessel of Profound Possibilities, an item available from your covenant vendors in Season 3 that upgraded all of your conduits to ilvl 278, is changing. It no longer requires S3 Endgame achievements (duelist, 3k+ m+ rating, or mythic sepulcher clear) but is instead purchasable by all characters for Cosmic Flux."

10k flux

[strong forum]

I'd save the flux lol

For s4

10k is way too much

[slow nova]

it's a lot yeah, but if you grinded exalted on one char for the rune or w/e you will have excess to send over

[strong forum]

Idk im rn at 8k flux on my main

[minor helm]

[slow nova]

50k split between my dk and dh, maintained 2 chars this tier

[jolly granite]

I think in s4 the raid bosses drop 2k flux

[slow nova]

oh true, they wrote smth about it

[scarlet loom]

What's the deal with tier moving into s4? Assuming you've not got a capped piece for instance. Would it be better to just get a higher ilvl piece and recraft it, or is there going to be a way to upgrade it from S3 to s4?

[sweet summit]

you need to catalyst a season 4 item i assume

[slow nova]

exactly

[sweet summit]

or kill sepulcher bosses that drop tier

[toxic pewter]

Ya season 3 items can only go up to 285 max, so you’ll prob want to find season 4 items to catalyze into tier

285 will still be strong for a while though I bet

[sick sentinel]

brew feels like pain to lvl

[toxic pewter]

Best to just dungeon level

[sick sentinel]

going from lvlnig bdk into brew is night and day

[toxic pewter]

Oh really

Makes sense they’re def less self reliant than blood

Do you do quests or what

[sick sentinel]

LFD for healers/tanks and paid boost probably for dps only/main lvl 1 alts

[toxic pewter]

Yeah as tank spamming dungeons I think just makes most sense. Especially with exp bonus

Do you like brew or blood dk more

[sick sentinel]

what i enjoy about bdk and ppal over monk and pwar so far is range interupt, and just in general everything dmg has better range or somethin

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[distant crystal]

just watching some random yt video about s4 and see Deswind getting CE in the background

[sweet summit]

[minor helm]

[modern brook]

Shout outs to "I'm poop(dead)"

[lofty widget]

is seismic any good for pantheon mythic?

[strong forum]

youd only get value from it in last phase

dont think you can make up the loss of reprisal in only 1 phase

[lofty widget]

yea thought so

kinda hard to sim ig

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sick sentinel]

leg sweep is very nice CD

[cursive tree]

Hey for season 4 trinkets .. are we looking at OWS and an M+ trinket ?

[sweet summit]

you want trinkets from SoD

OWS/RDM/aegis

[cursive tree]

Would solesh be comparable

Oh cool wowhead updated season 4 trinkets

[chrome falcon]

no soleah is not comparable

it needs to be 20 higher ilvl than OWS to be better in some situations

[cursive tree]

Ya I found the updated list on wowhead for prot warrior .. I thought it wouldn’t be yet

[sick sentinel]

i really hope we get another 50% xp event some time

[dawn canyon]

They should leave it in until DF

[sick sentinel]

if they did that i wiould play until i had a a 60 of everything on alliance and horde

got 5 60s, like, 5 50's on horde 2 are below that, so thats about a day each from 45 or 50 to 60

[dawn canyon]

Seems like a good change

[sick sentinel]

could cheese some of it and server transfer my alliance 35's, ironically, off of dreanor, home in orcish i believe

[cinder nova]

Only way you're making the difference is if you absolutely speedrun P1 and P2.

OR you speedrun P2 and they let you solo cleave the add in P1

And possibly if your raid lets you just juice your meter by holding their nut for a hot minute before just vaporizing the bosses.

Parse cheese is a lot of skill, but when you start pushing the upper bounds it's a lot of guilds just compliant in helping their members top charts.

Overall, SR is dogpiss for raid

[lucid summit]

Just coming back for S4 boys, how are we looking for the last season of SL?

[cinder nova]

Fine.

[zealous willow]

strong, promising and fun

[lucid summit]

Fire, that's what I like to hear.

[cinder nova]

We're doing the most ST in SFO at the moment. M+ we're a little rocky on, but hopefully our scaling power with gear will really kick into overdrive.

Our primary issue at the moment is snap aggro and staying power in massive pulls relative to other tanks like Bear and BDK, and obviously our lack of practical dungeon utility to make cleaving faster and easier.

[grave crane]

we looking good and strong depending on who you ask

[cinder nova]

You can still do those pulls, just takes a lot of focus and concerted play from your team, assuming you're in the mid-to-high 20's frequently it's probably not going to be a major issue if you run with a crowd.

[grave crane]

i dont know about other tanks but our aoe has soft caps of 5 which feels kinda bad i suppose

[cinder nova]

That's sort of all tanks, the difference is that other tanks have more AOE threat because they tend to have stronger/more dots.

[zealous willow]

We dont do dps like Blood dk , but warriors are rly good now. if u do m25 all tanks do ok btw

[lucid summit]

I've always said they need to give us a good AoE Bleed

[cinder nova]

We have deep wounds.

[strong forum]

Bdk is hardcapped to 5targets, but with drw and blood boil there's more leeway
Bear is softcapped to 20

Vdh has spb softcapped to 8

[grave crane]

does DRW increase the cap of hs cleave per weapon?

[cinder nova]

SPB is just every global

[strong forum]

Pally is hardcapped to 5

Immo is uncapped for vdh

[hazy edge]

sotr is uncapped, so is cons

[strong forum]

iirc

ic

I thought sotr was also capped

[cinder nova]

In general, having a hunter is really good because they can just wildfire and misdirect all their threat onto you

Or rogues

Threat reallocation helps solve tons of our issues, the rest just lies in hanging in there.

[hazy edge]

nope, just a small range

[cinder nova]

Trex arm cleave

[ember sinew]

Anyone know the addon that flashes a CD when it comes off cd? or is it a WA?

[hazy edge]

Doom_CooldownPulse

[ember sinew]

tysm

[sick sentinel]

one that i use to let people know when i've started or ended a CD is RSA for Raelis Spell Announcer

and so, you can put on it, only when the spell goes out, or fades, and have a custom message/whisper

[cinder nova]

I dunno if you need a whole addon for that tbh

You can just do a WA that does the same.

[sick sentinel]

this is for all classes and specs

[dawn canyon]

That's so useless

Why would i care to see /p Rally up

If i see it on group frames

[cinder nova]

True. Your team should be using frames to track group CDs

[sick sentinel]

you just don't click that option on then lol

[cinder nova]

So they know what you have or don't

Same with tanks eyeballing pull sizes relative to DPS cds

If you guys had to drop big dam to save a scuffed pull

You probably don't wanna do a triple.

[sick sentinel]

you can choose any spell you want to or not show a message, i don't show a message for majority of my abilities

[dawn canyon]

If you wanna get banned make a mage weakaura accounce flamestrike

"FLAMEPATCH DONT MOVE"

[sick sentinel]

if you get banned for that thats dumb af

cuz, i question 10 other things at that point

its like, if its so serious of an issue for this guy, that he's gone and made an angry weak aura about dont move the mobs out my shit, its like one, he should probably be in a good group already, and 2 yes and no i understand why you'd get banned for that and not

[urban portal]

It’s because it’s spam

Not because it’s anything else

[sick sentinel]

to be fair to the fire mage, "dont stand in the fire" is basically the tag line for wow

so i can understand why a group would move stuff out of the fire

[dawn canyon]

Moving out of EQ and flamepatch makes me Madge

[sick sentinel]

i just have vague notions and memories of various circle shapes and which are deadly and not

and then its trying to determine if i can stand in it or not

swirly boys are always bad

[urban portal]

Do you guys even spend revenge procs in execute

I barely ever do

[hazy edge]

You should if you're low on rage and need a SS reset

[urban portal]

Well yeah ofc

[hazy edge]

otherwise it's just execute/SS spam

[urban portal]

But I’m saying it’s low prio

[hazy edge]

Yeah it's lower prio

[urban portal]

Ss>exec>tc>revenge procs in execute for me

[hazy edge]

execute beats revenge up till like 4 targets, 5 if there is a high prio target in execute range.

[urban portal]

Yeah I’m thinking mostly in st

[hazy edge]

ye st execute and ss are top two prio

[cobalt seal]

imagine if you knew how MD bombs is bugged

and doesn't give threat

[cinder nova]

That's toxic

[vestal moat]

Speaking of raeli spell announce i think it's broken. Hasnt been updated since 9.0 and no longer lets me edit spells.

[exotic summit]

dwarf or dark iron dwarf, I feel like DI brings more, however I am not 100% sure, help me decide pls 🙂

[urban portal]

About the same

You wouldn’t feel bad about holding dwarf racial

[dawn canyon]

dwarf looks better

[timber nest]

Anyone soloed the jailers gauntlet to layer 8 as prot? what cov did you use? i felt like i had the most luck with necorlord

[jagged pier]

i did a few weeks into the season as necro

no cheesing i was just necro cause thaat was the cov

[timber nest]

im on layer 7, and its getting annoying

[exotic summit]

I see DI better for the offensive use for the main stat, the dwarf 10% physical dmg reduc is not that big for us, but then again, dwarf does look 😄

[timber nest]

@jagged pier what powers did you try to go for? i like the one where banner does aoe damage

if i dont get that, i usually just reset

[jagged pier]

i dunno i literally did it months ago

havent been in torghast since

🤷

[timber nest]

not even for all the other achievements?

tower ranger? veilstrider

[dawn canyon]

ew

[jagged pier]

i mean i have the achievement

I think i got it with that

or i had to do 1 more layer 16 or somthing

but u only have to do layer 4 now dont u?

[timber nest]

thats twisting

[jagged pier]

nope

[timber nest]

oh well i just like doing completionist stuff

[sand drum]

I know Marileth is #1 overall for Pwar, is it toomuch troll to go bonesmith for critt "proc" ?

[waxen orbit]

Absolutely troll

[urban portal]

Bone smith does more st damage

So if you are parse farming sure

[chilly brook]

I mean realistically

There’s not a whole lot of reason to spec off Marileth

Strong defensively and offensively

[sand drum]

just m+ 😛

atm atealst :C

[waxen orbit]

You’re coping hard

[chilly brook]

Bonesmith does sim higher in single target

[waxen orbit]

Simtrap frfr

[chilly brook]

Not really

Ashen kinda means you get the benefit of carvers eye regardless and the execute echo on top of your execute kinda good

But like Marileth isn’t that much behind offensively and you gain really good passives anyways

[urban portal]

^

I’m not saying bone is better

[chilly brook]

Not to mention Marileth benefits vastly from extra buffs in keys by walking on bodies, plus the defensive shield is nice

[urban portal]

But it’s factually true that it does more on st

[chilly brook]

Absorb is big for the inevitable cast that doesn’t get kicked

[karmic plinth]

i ran homer a fair bit and they do have perks in a raid setting

but i never felt like it was better than marge

[chrome falcon]

i did homer on rygelon because i wanted safeguard and inspiring presence

it was fine

[mighty valley]

minor deviations are "cope"

[tardy panther]

New to tanking and have been beating on tanking dummies. Do you guys macro Shield Block or Ignore Pain to anything? I macro'd Shield Block to Shield Slam button and Ignore Pain has its own key. The only downside I can think of is I was raid tanking I would be putting up Shield Block even when I wasn't actively tanking. Just curious what you guys do.

[dawn canyon]

you do not want to macro them into anything

however try ensure both are on easily accessible buttons for you

[tardy panther]

Yeah, that's my issue. runningout of keybinds lol

[mighty valley]

you need maximum control over how you spend rage

accidentally burning a ton of rage on IP because it's tied to something else is gonna screw you over

and yeah, losing effective SB uptime is very bad

[dawn canyon]

whoops guess my macro popped SB on these casters and now i dont have any charges

yikes

[chrome falcon]

binding shield block to shield slam is gonna feel real smart up until you cast it on a boss that's doing a 5 second long cast

or you cast it on the last mob of a pack just before a double pull and now you don't have block ready

so no, you should never macro stuff together unless that stuff always wants to be cast together

(generally offensive cooldowns)

[mighty valley]

there's a lotta buttons on your keyboard and a lot of default menu binds you can get rid of

[dawn canyon]

if you just bind 12345qertfcv you will be fine for binds imo

shift also exists if you need extra

[tardy panther]

yeah, all good points. Never tanked so yeah i need to rearrange my binds

[dawn canyon]

you've done the right thing by heading for the dummies

[sick sentinel]

Get use to pressing your buttons and move around keys to fit comfortable for you

[tardy panther]

I know. Need to move some around to buttons that i can hit easily and ones for shift , alts etc.

[sick sentinel]

If you have a mouse with keybinds on it that also helps a lot

I have most of the important stuff binded to my mouse like SB and IP

[chilly brook]

You need 4 binds for offensive spells

Shield slam, TC, revenge, execute

2 easy to hit anytime binds for shield block and Ip

3 mobility binds charge, leap and intervene (charge and intervene can be one button with a macro )

That leaves taunt, banner, avatar, spell reflect, shield wall and last stand

So 14 binds total is really all you need

[chrome falcon]

and rally and demo shout

plus any racials or trinkets

and fleshcraft, healthstone, healthpot

[tardy panther]

I might have to learn some new keybinds lol. I think I counted them up one time and I have like 13 ish. Hard to teach this old man more muscle memory. lol

[chilly brook]

Those can be on more obscure binds

Maybe not demo shout

[chilly brook]

I can give you a free potential 6 binds on one thing that you probably don’t use much

Your scroll wheel

Shift+scroll up/down

Clicking in the scroll wheel and shift+clicking it in

Then the left click/right click of your scroll wheel assuming you have that function

[tardy panther]

Ok. i'll have to try those out. thanks

[chilly brook]

For example my shield wall is on click in, my last stand is shift click in and my spell reflect is on my click left

Real easy and intuitive to hit at anytime tbh

[sand drum]

SW ctrl + scroll down
TC scroll down
RC ctrl + scroll up (I dont remember :C)

[tardy panther]

Ok, think I got it now. Took Intimidating Shout off keybind, moved all the longer cooldowns to alt + "key", and then macro'd intervene with charge (which I did not know I could do!). Now, I have only one open bind, So new spells with the new expac! LOL

Thanks 🙂

[chilly brook]

[sand drum]

imo intervene into @mouseover / @focus and just have charge as usual on target

#showtooltip charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, exist] intervene
/cast charge
(can log in and find correct macro if you want but idea is there)

[chrome falcon]

i would put intimidating shout back on a keybind

that's a good button

aoe interrupt

[chilly brook]

I usually double up on some of my favorite keybinds

Like Q is single target stun

[sand drum]

q is SB 😛 :c

[chilly brook]

Shift Q goes to an aoe stun or incapacitate

X is my avatar

Shift X is intimidating shout

For example

[sand drum]

shift Q = banner 😛

[chilly brook]

My shield block is on R

[sand drum]

SS :/

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

2 is for shield slam

[sand drum]

taunt 😊

[chilly brook]

1 is a dead button because no devastate

[sand drum]

:c

[chilly brook]

[sand drum]

charge :>

[chrome falcon]

[lofty widget]

...

leaving prime real estate unoccupied like that..

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s not like I’m hurting for binds

[sand drum]

give Griff give :>

[lofty widget]

yea fair ive just got a standard 2 button mouse

[chilly brook]

$40 on Amazon

Logitech g600

Very poggers mouse

[sand drum]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-for-a-job-job-jobless-unemployed-hire-me-gif-17955750

[chilly brook]

$40, 5 years stronk

[dawn canyon]

gang gang

[chilly brook]

Although I think it might be having some issues now

But 5 years of hard use and having one button start acting weird isn’t bad for $40

[chrome falcon]

people build graveyards on prime real estate

leaving 1 open for devastate is the same thing

#rip

[chilly brook]

Look

[sand drum]

playing most keybinds on left hand :C what would I do with 12+ more
(excluding scroll :P)

[chilly brook]

It won’t be a dead button for DF

[chrome falcon]

even after 3 expansions of not pressing it i've probably pressed deva more than any other button

[chilly brook]

[chrome falcon]

in my whole life

[chilly brook]

I press deva a lot in TBc

[lofty widget]

ill have to bind deva to like shift+6 probably 😦

[chilly brook]

[sand drum]

do we use hamstring 🤔

[chrome falcon]

i have pressed hamstring li ke

[chilly brook]

You can

[lofty widget]

not really

[chrome falcon]

10 times this expansion

[chilly brook]

It has some uses

But rarely

[chrome falcon]

on fatescribe mythic specifically

but realistically no you do not ever press it

[lofty widget]

tc slow is usually enough

[chrome falcon]

you can unbind it and never care

[chilly brook]

I still have it bound but that’s because it sits in the same place for arms

[dawn canyon]

hamstring shares a bind for all specs for me

like exe

or leap

[chilly brook]

Exactly

[dawn canyon]

or charge

[sand drum]

btw if I sim pref to sim with sharp stone or shadow oil ?

[lofty widget]

stone

[sand drum]

why ? 20 AD that big ?

[chilly brook]

Yep

[lofty widget]

bigger than the dmg proc

[chilly brook]

^

[dawn canyon]

better than the flat dam from oils

oils is for people with absolutely no gear

like sub 200

[lofty widget]

or gold

[chilly brook]

Bigger executes>oil dam

[lofty widget]

stones are 300g on my server somehow

[chilly brook]

Weightstones are fucking ridiculous

[dawn canyon]

stones are for entitled gavel havers

😡

[sand drum]

would we want reforging back into game ?

[chilly brook]

I have them because gavel and they’re dummy expensive compared to sharpening stones

[dawn canyon]

no

[chilly brook]

I think everyone would

Makes every drop valuable

Or at least it does a better job at accomplishing that

[sand drum]

play 0 mastery (ofc baseline idk what amount that would be :c ) but get more haste from set :>

haste or critt then :c playing low critt atm but 36% haste :/

[chilly brook]

You wouldn’t want to go 0 mastery

All our stats are good

[lofty widget]

its a good idea to have a healthy mix

[waxen orbit]

Mastery you can prio a lot less though, truth be told

Your banner is going to supplement a heinous amount

Plus the fleshcraft buff

[sinful plover]

So Unnerving Focus + Stalwart Guardian are two must have defense conduits. What do you guys choose for your third slot, I can’t decide between Fueled by Violence or Brutal Vitality.

[lofty widget]

you dont choose a third

[sand drum]

:c

[sinful plover]

Go with potency slots

[sand drum]

my allround goto tree

[sinful plover]

I’m also on kyrian still…

[lofty widget]

that, but swap CAS for undulating

[sinful plover]

But I’ll reference that when I swap soon

[lofty widget]

undulating is much better and lets you get a finesse as well

[lofty widget]

looks good

[sand drum]

and go safeguard instead @lofty widget ?

[lofty widget]

or inspiring presence

i pref safeguard but i think for most people IP is better

[sinful plover]

Is necro a big step up from kyrian? I’m kinda dreading not having Spear for utility

[sand drum]

not rly played around with safeguard guess I could try.... since im only warr in our raidteam IP seems bit "the way" to go

[lofty widget]

yes it is huge for both dmg and def

[sand drum]

6% exicute :>

[lofty widget]

in raid you definitely pick IP

[sand drum]

show of force when ? over what ? bit meh about it but playing critt exicute seems better allround 😄

[lofty widget]

i think its like a very slight dps increase in aoe, but i pref AJ and just lean into the big ST

[robust surge]

do y'all ever go kyrian for necrotic weeks?

[chrome falcon]

no

[robust surge]

bet

[lofty widget]

nah

such a huge loss for almost no gain

when necrotic is so easy to drop

[sand drum]

finding it "bleh" spoke to a tank friend that plays Bdk and he said no not doing keys this week 😛

[bold nimbus]

Pussy

[sand drum]

do we get a affix "reset" or will it keep same rotation into S4 ? idk how it was in passed never thought of

[lofty widget]

usually we get a reset and they switch some affix combos around

like necrotic+sanguine in s2

[sick sentinel]

infested bolstering explosive UR pre nerf, it can still be a challenge to get groups through that dungeon on LFD normal, totally easy as bdk though, or easier

[mighty valley]

my bdk cotank used to dread necrotic weeks but between set bonus and necrotic nerfs she does not give a single shit about it any more

[bold nimbus]

[sick sentinel]

we were mostly afraid of teeming and sanguini

[bold nimbus]

Teeming

[sick sentinel]

teeming fort ML

literal impossible

[bold nimbus]

Rest in peperonies

[crystal iris]

Did A few more 15s felt more solid on prot

Going to try some new UIs so focus more on what’s important

Shield block gets sort of lost in my other buffs sometimes

[dawn canyon]

Ive seen people track it as Bars or big Icons outside of buff bars

Either works

[crystal iris]

What WA pack do you guys run?

I need to get around to fixing my whole UI. No matter what WA I put under my toon. I always look at my action bars for abilities. Buffs I track with the WA

[dawn canyon]

Made my own

Nomeratur's is good

Afernar/luxthos

[sweet summit]

adriox

[dawn canyon]

Hide ur actionbars or move em up

So they replace weakauras

[crystal iris]

I need to move my action bars under my toon. I just like how they show the key presses and my key binds vs a wa

Exactly

[sweet summit]

nah just hide them tbh

[crystal iris]

I’d put the action bars there and compliment with WAs for buffs and rage

[dawn canyon]

You ever watched danwar, duru?

His setup is one "Block" of Bars with buff weakauras

[crystal iris]

No I don’t watch much wow content other than YouTube guides / news

[dawn canyon]

And that seems pretty darn good

[crystal iris]

I’ll check him out

[dawn canyon]

He's a dps main but the setup is good

[crystal iris]

I just haven’t got around to it because I play so many toons and hate change

[dawn canyon]

I made one huge change for the warrior and then adjusted the rest when i logged over

[crystal iris]

Like my main is fury but I play prot, all 3 sham specs all 3 pally specs brew monk arcane mage and a lock lol

But I should move the bars

I was using Quazis buff bar and WA

[lament goblet]

Re: kyrian vs necro, I was under the impression from guides etc that Kyrian is better for weekly 15s and the like, and Necro is only better in higher keys because packs live long enough to get value out of extending banner. Is that right?

[crystal iris]

If you chain then packs last forever

[sweet summit]

necro is always better unless you're bad and are unable to maintain banner (sorry if toxic but true)

[dawn canyon]

His UI hides the Bars default iirc

[hardy ridge]

what the hell nomeratur has a weakauras? I actually love the layout

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/search/nomeratur

[dawn canyon]

[hardy ridge]

yeah im looking at it

[dawn canyon]

Not for me but yknow, works for many

[pallid quiver]

It's less mental overhead playing Kyrian on lower keys since you don't have to think about how to maintain banner while things explode

[hardy ridge]

gonna try it out after tonight

[pallid quiver]

But NL just gives you five bajillion strength and rage

[dawn canyon]

Tbh on your average +15 shit doesnt insta die

Because you never have 3 real dps

[wicked vault]

which slot should i craft leggos for S4?

[sweet summit]

wrists/cloak/neck if kara neck is not good

reprisal on boots

[pallid quiver]

In the bit of 15s that I did during S3 after coming back, either I was the DPS or the DPS were assholes who I didn't want to play with again

[lament goblet]

Trueee I cringe at chain pulling because I mained healer this season and am used to tanks chain pulling when I'm at 0 mana and dying so I'll just believe in my healers more i guess 😂

[pallid quiver]

So can confirm Phil's statement

[dawn canyon]

Urh 💙

Dps love him healers love him

[lament goblet]

Dps love him crit and kill Vy instead #justpugthings

[dawn canyon]

I mean

I could target the relic

[lament goblet]

😂

[dawn canyon]

But bladestorm is very exciting

[lament goblet]

When I played mistweaver I would use ToD on urh relic on cooldown because I couldn't trust pug dps 🤣

[dawn canyon]

Mistweaver to pwar

Holy shit bayzed

[lament goblet]

Anyway next question dungeon trinkets in S4 are ass excluding the tazavesh stat stick right?

[sweet summit]

yep

[lament goblet]

I play everything lmao

And OWS is a better stat stick anyway :(

[sweet summit]

there is some copium around karazan trinkets

but we'll have to see how they scale when patch is live

[dawn canyon]

OWS as tank is infintely more fun than as dps

[sweet summit]

most likely just using SoD trinkets though

[bold nimbus]

Ows rdm or ows scale

[lament goblet]

We want OWS + an active defensive trinket that can help with magic damage right

[sweet summit]

there's also an argument to be made for sack from streets i guess

OWS+RDM seems to be the favorite so far

[dawn canyon]

Rdm fuck good

[bold nimbus]

[sweet summit]

but if you prefer aegis for proactive usage you can run that over rdm

even though it does a lot less damage

[lament goblet]

Tfw I wanna play fury too and now I need 4 or 5 raid weapons/trinkets and only get 3 😭

[sweet summit]

[bold nimbus]

[sick sentinel]

i have to do normal mode raid for some cat mount now? ugh

[sweet summit]

you don't have to if you don't want to

[unreal sinew]

I'm looking to get started and was wondering if anyone knew of any discords that are friendly to new tanks looking to get into the tanking scene?
LFG type stuff

[chrome falcon]

uh there isn't really a discord specifically where people look for new tanks to run groups with

to my knowledge at least

[unreal sinew]

Maybe I'm asking the wrong question, not sure how to put it

But maybe a discord that does LFG for newer players?
Or even return players
I'm just going to be tanking specifically

[pallid quiver]

As far as I'm aware, it's just go in and crash and burn. That's how I've at least always heard it as and run into anytime I take a break and come back.

player base is not friendly to new/returning players on average

[odd tree]

You know how to run fury or arms yogi? Might have a spot in our guild runs, don't need to be a member to join up.

[gilded wing]

Intervene macros, should I create 2 for arena, I.e intervene player 1, intervene player 2

Or better to run intervene at player name

[urban portal]

#pvp

[grizzled lotus]

Damn I finally looked at the S4 patch notes; how nutty is that IP buff?

[sweet summit]

[urban portal]

[cinder storm]

Is there any other worthwhile wod tank trinket? They said they are looking into adding extra items in the loot table

here's to hopium

[sweet summit]

so far no

[crystal iris]

needed to outburst TC on pull for aggro?

or avatar revenge SS revenge TC usually enough?

[hazy edge]

you don't need to, but it doesn't hurt, especially if you don't have ravager

[crystal iris]

also is there anything really wrong with using both shield block charges super early in the pull

specifically for M+

I usually use to dump rage because its not like im ever going to want to have SB not up... usually I charge in, SB IP revenge

find time to intervene, then another SB pretty quick as long as I dont overcap

[urban portal]

well you dont want to be shield blocking when they are casting

[crystal iris]

I mean

pulls where you dont have any physical in keys are pretty rare..

im trying to think of one, maybe SD pull after first boss?

but I usually pull the gargoyle in anyway

[urban portal]

yes you want to try and optimize the shield blcok

but no theres nothing inherently wrong of using SB to dump instead of ip

[crystal iris]

kk

Im gonna fk get good at this lol

Im not the best tank but I was do 22s pretty easily with a prot pally and my new monk does 20s like its nothing with pugs

But something about the CPM of prot warr fks with me I forget to keep track of my stuff while im doing my rotation

and I panic a lot

[balmy canyon]

That just sounds like a practice thing, yes its fast and yes there are things you need to track but practice will help, doing more keys and just spending time working your rotation while focusing on other things

[sick sentinel]

I'm always sad when older expansion trinkets are no use in newer expansions

Hoping they do something interesting with the dungeon rotations they are doing

[cinder storm]

Rezan's gleaming eye

[sick sentinel]

I see why though honestly

Could end up being a tuning issue

[ionic fern]

Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism

[urban portal]

Just needs more tuning

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern please ban @brittle owl

He's a meanie mcbullyhead

[brittle owl]

slander

OBJECTION SLANDER

[warm plinth]

objection hearsay

[brittle owl]

Objection accuser is a wifebeater

[warm plinth]

That's not even me

That's Ghash120ETD

[brittle owl]

accuser clearly had to change discord accounts to dodge justice

[warm plinth]

:kekw

fuckin skyhold emojis

:riot:

[brittle owl]

get rekt

[ionic fern]

I'm just a brown name now.

No powers

[blazing condor]

[finite arch]

Any changes on legnedary in S4? or still boring reprisal

[mighty valley]

which legendary is more exciting than reprisal

i don't think any classes are expecting major enough changes to switch up legendary setups

[ionic fern]

Reprisal atleast changes the gameplay a bit.

[ionic fern]

Just out of curiosity - which legendary do you consider not boring?

[mortal brook]

Leaper

[ionic fern]

Leaper/Reprisal

Big synergy

[jagged pier]

wait leggos arent boring?

[ionic fern]

Anything that's controversial is good.

[jagged pier]

i wish we just had old leggos back just ones that certain classes can get and they are good enough to use till mid next expansion

that would be cool

or is that a boomer take

[ionic fern]

Which ones do you mean+

[jagged pier]

ppl were still using thunderfury on illadin back in the day

[ionic fern]

Oh, those ones.

Yeah

boomer take.

Give me something new every month or i go complain on twitter.

That's what we do in current times.

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

back in my day

i liked the old legendary system a lot, especially if i didn't actually get a legendary that expac

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[mighty valley]

i liked it too but it would make so many forum kids mad

[jagged pier]

only makes them mad because they arent in guilds or groups that would allow them to get leggos

[mighty valley]

if they do a caster one, all melee people complain for an expansion

[jagged pier]

and they dont want to put in the effort

[ionic fern]

If they make it so that i can get the same legendary from just doing m+

Sure.

[mighty valley]

i don't think they feel very "legendary" if everyone can get them on the same timeline, but if there's any random chance or time gating or long term effort involve, people will revolt

because people feel like if they're not at the highest possible power level, they're worthless

[pallid quiver]

To be honest, I'd prefer absolutely no legendaries over the current system. They don't feel legendary at all, even during Legion to me. like, they just feel like some whacko diablo drop or something

I don't enjoy it at all

[jagged pier]

thats a playerbase problem not a blizz problem tho

[mighty valley]

eh, the saddest thing you learn when you start making games professionally is that perception problems are real problems

you design something that seems to make sense to you and then people start using it stupidly

[mortal brook]

Bears with Gavels next season

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/986417059707621416.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[blazing condor]

besides all the rng tied to it, legion leggos seemed kinda cool

but i didnt play legion so idk how messy it was

[mortal brook]

messy af

they released tomb leggos and i got those before the initial leggo i wanted. made 3 alts just to fish for better leggo rng

[mighty valley]

it's singleplayer design in a multiplayer game

it could feel cool to get a utility leggo! but then you see someone else in your raid with the enormous damage boost leggo and there's nothing you can do to try and catch up to them

[mortal brook]

or you have a real nice covenant and leggo but then boomies complain that they dont want to play that leggo/covenant and now you dont get to

[jagged pier]

very messy at the start when there was a hardcap on the rng to get them after 4 so it was better to lvl a new char and get leggos on the new than to get your 5th, if u got the wrong leggos at the start

[mighty valley]

i think they keep trying to recapture some part of the magic of vanilla when barely any of the players knew anything about the game

but most players know everything that's possible almost immediately

[finite arch]

idk, chain harvest from shaman looks really nice. (not speaking about their actual benefits)

[jagged pier]

but chain harvest is an ability not a legendary

[ionic fern]

^

[jagged pier]

🤔

[finite arch]

oh wait

then probably no exciting legendary at all

[mortal brook]

my man wants to chain harvest, let him

[mighty valley]

if chain harvest isn't on the warrior talent trees i'm gonna shit my pants

[jagged pier]

god i wish they just put the mop cloak effects as tmog

[finite arch]

has to be on warrior

[velvet escarp]

Is there like a guide to weakauras? Like what I should track and customization tips for tanking?

Like I went to the guide section here but it’s almost like I know nothing so I kind of was overwhelmed by the vast amount of info