good catch, i'll tweak apl and see if it will make a noticeable difference
#protection
sweet summit
lofty widget
Nah think im stupid, my thought was that sigil is only used in execute phase but idk if Sims just cast it on pull? So ylud get less value out of it
sweet summit
oh sigil used on pull and in execute
vernal vale
Sigil 5min CD makes those the two best times
lofty widget
Isnt the - 477 in comparison to sigil?
sweet summit
yep
lofty widget
Nvm me im stupid the grenade sim is prob accurate
Was commenting on the sigil Sim :p
sweet summit
ah
oblique garnet
@sweet summit go to sleep
sweet summit
no
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Was it good
oblique garnet
I had an awful kebab pizza today
sweet summit
oh no
oblique garnet
They even forgot the tomatosauce
sweet summit
oblique garnet
Top 10 most cursed pizzas for sure
That was the last restaurant i had faith in here
Now if i want kebab pizza i have to do it myself
cinder storm
So it is the poors man sigil, it aint so bad since its easier to obtain
sweet summit
sweet summit
silence boomer
oblique garnet
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Is this your current prot sim
sweet summit
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
current gear is 304 sigil+311 ows
one below is 291 sigil+311 ows
and at the bottom is 311 ows + 298 grenade
sweet summit
Is this your current prot sim
no this is full s4 degen shit with nerfed ows values
sweet summit
urban portal
Str is that op
oblique garnet
Its higher than my fury
sweet summit
Its higher than my fury <:keks:936231610850897992>
???
ur trolling
wait when did u quit
/ take a break
sweet summit
ah fair
i still haven't gotten mythic gavel either xd
but i'm at like 16k i think
oblique garnet
I dont even have normal or hc xd
sweet summit
ouch
oblique garnet
Went to guild discord today to ask if we are playing s4
Got hit with ”we will let you know”
sweet summit
lmfao
oblique garnet
So 
for longer
cinder storm
sweet summit
we're doing two days a week
oblique garnet
we're doing two days a week<:critcake:984549832511344640>
Yeah kinda unfortunate that the only thing that was said that if some people push m+ thats the only reason to raid
And well our guild has 5 people who do m+
sweet summit
does warchieft still play keys and shit
oblique garnet
Think so
Never actually spoke to him
I just 
and read discord chats and they are complaining
oblique garnet
Yeah thats the vibe ive gotten from what he has typed
Other than that idk if he is good
novel agate
Deciding to learn pwar this week was a choice
sweet summit
a good one
chrome falcon
Got hit with ”we will let you know”
Honestly this was pretty close to the best plan we could come up with too
We settled on “idk lol let’s see if it sucks and if it does then we get slime cats then bedge” like wtf else can you do with a weird season like this
hearty perch
Hello guys!
After a few weeks of playing with prot warrior in m+(9.2.5). I have some points to help casuals players like me: (4tier pieces and necro)
The guides are incomplete for us in m+.
1 - It doesn’t explain our rotation correctly for uptime in the banner.
For this, you will have to prioritize shieldSlam even in a multiTarget scenario. It will be ss > revenge > tc. U need to use a lot of revenges for reset shield slam, so tc will be used very little, u will use it when you have no alternative to use. Is better to use leap -> charge than tc.
2 - talking about banner uptime doing 80% >, in pugs, it is kind of impossible. U know, it’s PUGS. So I think doing 60%> it is ok. Even the best warrior prots with his teams sometimes do less than 80 in streams.
3 - IP doesn’t serve any purpose. So you will use it to avoid rage overcap. Normally I use it with 85+ rage.
But pay attention when you have the outburst buff. The chance of the ss overcap at this point is high. With last stand up just spam ignore pain.
4- with ashen juggernaut use execute with 4/5 target or less. Doing this is much easier to maintain banner up
5 - Yes, we suffer defending from magic damage. be prepared to die sometimes from magic damage.
A clear example is at the millhouse in Dos. Pugs don't interrupt and soak, it's common to receive a 70k frost bolt in your face in tyrannical weeks.
6- It will be common for pug warriors and DH who can't wait 2 seconds you build agroo in aoe. And the adds turn to him and after death blame you.
7-despite @strong forum saying/explaining that the Codex of the first technique is not worth it for us. All warriors with top io use it( like tattman / plka), but I believe it may be a lack of information since the absorb of codex applies after IP.
I believe that the vast majority of the above information will continue in the next patch for anyone thinking of playing as a prot warrior. And we will still have a buff that will give us more survivability.
My final opinion is, that the banner mechanic is difficult to play compared to other tanks. But well played is a very viable spec that other players don't value.
chilly brook
- you can absolutely achieve 80% uptime in pugs. If they don’t keep up that’s not your fault.
- IP isn’t great by itself but saying it serves no purpose and constraining yourself to an 85 rage or higher threshold is bad
- you’re not pressing revenge enough
- stop focusing on codex
chilly brook
Just because people who push keys use it doesn’t mean they’re right in using it
urban portal
It’s the lack of strength
bold nimbus
Press some buttons and dont cry
urban portal
That’s the killer
chilly brook
You literally don’t need to play your class optimally to push keys
urban portal
The trinket itself is like ok to good
urban portal
But lack of strength is a 6% survival down
chilly brook
It does the damage of phial but that’s not including the strength damage gain from it
urban portal
Look at tattmans 28s
It’s actually solid
In terms of dps and hps
It’s not good
But it’s solid
Like is a mid tier trinket
urban portal
I’ve probably spent more time looking at logs than most people here
Regarding codex
chilly brook
It’s a trap
urban portal
But the strength is REALLY bad
chilly brook
Being mid tier at best would make it a trap
urban portal
It’s a Trap yes
urban portal
I’m trying to explain the trinket effect in isolation is fine, it literally doesn’t matter
Fun fact
drifting fable
cant wait for DF for when we can finally move on from the damn thing
chilly brook
This is literally the vers corruption thing all over again
sick sentinel
about how it can be used on such and such boss
bold nimbus
bold nimbus
Fck that trink haha
urban portal
And I don’t think anyone would say that the effect is bad
A sigil on a 90 second cd is worse than armor kit
So what does that make codex whos effect is mid
urban portal
Like 
chilly brook
And the best defensive trinket in the game will be buffed in a few days
chilly brook
Aegis
mortal brook
i guess
mortal brook
incredibly
hearty perch
Press some buttons and dont cry
I'm not complaining, I'm just writing things that don't have in the guides and we have to ask here to find out what's right.
chilly brook
I'm not complaining, I'm just writing things that don't have in the guides and w...
Pretty sure the guides prio shield slam over everything
mortal brook
is a fair criticism to make sure that the necro section covers how to banner best, right
urban portal
Oh yeah for sure the guide can be better
Though you can’t expect them to donate their time 4 free
sweet summit
Hello guys!
After a few weeks of playing with prot warrior in m+(9.2.5). I have ...
- tc also has a chance to reset the cooldown of SS, just like revenge. yes, prioritizing SS>TC even with outburst even on aoe is better/makes it easier to maintain banner
- it's not impossible, lots of people have achieved it
- IP reduces damage taken, but as you said it's mainly used as an off gcd rage spender, doesn't matter what rage threshold you use it on as long as you're not overcapping or ragestarving youself
- idk what this means, execute is better dps at 1 and 2 targets over revenge, not 3 or higher
- yep
- you have intervene and challenging shout, and situations like this is where using outburst on TC can be valuable
- no, codex is bad
chilly brook
^
sweet summit
idk what the guide says or which guide "the guide" is
urban portal
Honestly I kind of like executing over revenging at 3-4
It’s easier to keep banner up
bold nimbus
I'm not complaining, I'm just writing things that don't have in the guides and w...
I know that u are not complaining but most of the stuff can be answered here , there also some pins to be checked
urban portal
I don’t think it’s particularly wrong to not revenge
chilly brook
By efficient I mean less chance of being flooded
urban portal
Dies
chilly brook
Not necessarily most damage efficient use
bold nimbus
sweet summit
idk what the guide says or which guide "the guide" is
still curious about this
lmk so feedback can be given
urban portal
Because the fury one still says necrolord fairly sure
sick sentinel
mad about a video game ? no never ever
nobody has ever gotten angry playing video game
chilly brook
That being said
This isn’t entirely wrong either
You just need to read the paragraph
hearty perch
I’m talkin about icy veins and wowhead. it's not clear that you have to prioritize ss for example.
For banner
chilly brook
For banner
There is no banner rotation
sweet summit
i guess the paragraph under that AoE rotation: "covenant abilities" could be updated regarding banner and putting more priority into rage generation (shield slam)
what's the quote again?
chilly brook
Banner simply rewards you for max rage generation and rage spending
Simply put it just rewards playing optimally to begin with
There’s no special rotation
sweet summit
guides are a good starting point, and are generally more defensively focused since the most important part is living. do not take all of it as a bible to follow strictly
for more in-depth spec discussion we have class discords like this 
hearty perch
just following what they say on wowhead, it's impossible to have a good banner uptime.
After taking some questions here, I improved my uptime a lot.
chilly brook
It’s not impossible
vernal vale
I'm bad and i have good uptime on banner
chilly brook
Following what they say
hearty perch
“Use revenge only it is free”
sweet summit
chilly brook
And the only free portion of the IV guide was removed a long time ago
sweet summit
chilly brook
Like 9.0 long ago
You can’t just take a glance at the guide
There are portions of it that are elaborated on
sweet summit
ST
AoE
the only thing i miss from these guides are notes on how important it is to not overcap rage (through either revenge or ignore pain)
grave crane
why wouldnt you revenge even if it isnt free? thats our main dam in aoe
hearty perch
and tc has higher priority.
what they say here is to always prioritize revenge than tc
chilly brook
Because TC also generates rage and can reset shield slam
Realistically even if you did TC over revenge that won’t kill your ability to upkeep banner
Not spending rage will
urban portal
Tc+ip is basically a more defensive version of revenge
If you play some mental gymnastics
chilly brook
Somewhat
sweet summit
chilly brook
You’re gonna lose out on shield slam procs
urban portal
It’s just that overcapping is so bad now
That you need to both hrevenge and ip
Harder to fit tc in rotation
sweet summit
yeah it's quite bloated with revenges with the current rage gen
mortal brook
too busy to just stomp your foot okay
chilly brook
TLDR
sweet summit
too busy to just stomp your foot okay
heel still hurt from BFA 
doc said to take it easy
chilly brook
If you press TC on CD after Shield Slam and still spend excess rage on Revenge you’re not losing banner uptime
hearty perch
AoE
Here for m+ ss has to be a priority of revenge and tc.
What I felt after getting answers here on discord, that rotation is more focused on raid content. and as I put it, it's information for casual players, to facilitate the search.
sweet summit
i suppose you could make that argument
i'll ping @ionic fern and we'll see if it's worth changing
i'm off to bed now though
bold nimbus
Gz
forest meadow
Looks like it has just begun 
velvet escarp
Is there a “best race” for warrior tanking? Or do the bonuses not really matter to much to be of impact to endgame gameplay?
For horde anyway
shut summit
dwarf for m+
mortal brook
for the most part the difference is trivial, can play what looks pretty
velvet escarp
Ok cool ty
forest meadow
I just made my first horde when cross faction opened, and warstomp feels pretty awesome ngl
quaint glade
Is there a “best race” for warrior tanking? Or do the bonuses not really matter ...
Nightborne
median tulip
Is there a “best race” for warrior tanking? Or do the bonuses not really matter ...
The differences are incredibly minor, but technically Vulpera is best.
However, much more important is that Orc have the best model for transmogs, and everyone knows a good transmog is worth 5% extra damage.
mortal brook
TRUE
novel agate
Peak pWarrior form
forest meadow
TRUE
https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531
ember sinew
Mechagnomes bis for tanking with the gorillagripper claw upgrade 
slim zinc
mighty valley
this is the most distressing looking character i've ever seen
tardy sequoia
Do you know if tier set items will appear as loot choice of the weekly cache in season 4?
mighty valley
I think so, but we'll also have a billion catalyst charges
cobalt seal
they should during SoFo
tardy sequoia
What is sopo?
cobalt seal
raid
mighty valley
sofo
tardy sequoia
I think so, but we'll also have a billion catalyst charges
True, one could craft whole mythic set in a week
cobalt seal
yeah ups
tardy sequoia
Sepulcher of the Pirst ones
cobalt seal
Sepulcher of the Pirst ones
brittle owl
What is sopo?
put some so(a)pon dn
blazing condor
no flopping way
somber sky
... prot is a solid tank for CN and SoD fated raids...
sand drum
meta tank for m+ is the thing I alrdy got a tank spot so ;>
strong forum
Ohno they can only do +23s with a pwar but with a bdk they could clearly jump all the way to 30s
Because that's how m+ works
zealous willow
So i have 4 days to get up my warr for some action before new season
decided to ditch dk and go ultra alpha warr tank as a real men should go
jagged pier
@patent osprey logging out in kyrian
blazing condor
sullen sparrow
As long as u have a deztro and sv in ur comp you're good
forest meadow
<@133743762999476224> logging out in kyrian <:keks:936231610850897992>
Next step: pick all bad talents, put in key, use a tome to change talents in 10seconds before key starts. And blade dancers armor kit, too.
forest meadow
Someone said the banner extension does not apply to your allies. Is that true?
forest meadow
That's lame. Okay thanks
mortal brook
hell yeah bag ilvl to jump into the next key with
atomic matrix
back to my 226 trinket from vendor 😦
dawn canyon
Better than getting baited and pumping all your Valor into it
atomic matrix
For sure!
tardy sequoia
Just a quick question, which buff is worth picking from the NPC at the beginning of season 4 dungeons? Haste or vers?
tardy sequoia
haste every day baby
Guessed so, yes
mortal brook
the vers% is hugely smaller than haste%, because of haste%'s multiplicative effect on haste rating
tardy sequoia
Vers is too much negligible
dawn canyon
Haste is also just more fun
tardy sequoia
the vers% is hugely smaller than haste%, because of haste%'s multiplicative effe...
Yeah also affects too many things to pass on I think
mortal brook
like 40 rating's worth of vers vs 70+ rating's worth of haste per infiltrator stack. but that 70 is just base, its closer to like 140 at 30~40% sheet haste rating because of the multiplicatives. also yes, positive feedback loop for hastey prot things.
cursive tree
Dwarf or HMT ? What’s opinions I’m not looking on wowhead for “fact” lol I’m curious on peoples ideas
chrome falcon
whatever you want
doesn't matter
do you want a poison/bleed cleanse or do you want a charge stun thing
you pick
if you have to ask, you're not doing content hard enough for it to matter 🙂
dawn canyon
what do you think looks cooler
vapid lynx
God I wanna be a DI dwarf so bad but my guild is horde 😭😭
dawn canyon
Looks is the main factor man
vapid lynx
I love their heritage axe and shield
mortal brook
those can be used by any race!
vapid lynx
I know
sweet summit
but you can still play with them as dwarf
vapid lynx
Yeah but I don’t want it just sit without a guild and don’t wanna join an ally guild 🤷
cursive tree
Lol I’m a Dwarf man stuck in horde for life .. I was just curious what you thought as far as best for you personally .. You can open it up to other races lol but I picked best two clearly
chilly brook
Dwarf or HMT ? What’s opinions I’m not looking on wowhead for “fact” lol I’m cur...
Literally doesn’t matter
Play what you think is cool
vapid lynx
Any DI dwarf and regular dwarves are my favorite races for plate wearers
grave crane
Orcs are the best followed closely by goblins
chilly brook
Like none of the racials are really that impactful
Unless you get launched by a mechanic because someone is dumb on your raid team and rocket jump saves a wipe
grave crane
rocket jump bis
grave crane
gap closer? yeah. movement ability to save you from bad teammates? yeah. iconic yeah
chilly brook
gap closer? yeah. movement ability to save you from bad teammates? yeah. iconic ...
Honestly I love using it in gambit
cursive tree
Play what you think is cool
That isn’t my question lol I know racials don’t effect game play .: I just want to talk. About peoples favs
chilly brook
Launch yourself off the ledge before the dragon
dawn canyon
there is an insane downside to small races
chilly brook
Go zoom zoom to the next pack
dawn canyon
accidentially swimming in dos
chilly brook
there is an insane downside to small races
Yea LoS
dawn canyon
grave crane
i use it on my goblin rogue to drive by eviserate people lol
chilly brook
That isn’t my question lol I know racials don’t effect game play .: I just want ...
Yea but racials literally don’t mater, If you’re looking to see what “feels best” level 1 characters of each race are free
dawn canyon
go wowhead dressing room put fave tmog on all models
cursive tree
I just want to see what people like to talk about it .. I already know what I like ..
vapid lynx
accidentially swimming in dos
I played a vulpera shaman first DoS I said nope and race changed it to orc 🤣
I wanna be a tuskarr 😔
dawn canyon
i want to be this
chilly brook
I played vulpera for like 2 weeks
Couldn’t do it
I’ve been goblin for like 4 months now
But blood elf will always be my favorite
cursive tree
I started as Tauren but I’m orc for fury …
I’m returning to tanking after taking 3 expacs off on my Druid .. so I’m gonna make a dwarf ..
My fighter in dnd is a dwarf 🙂
vapid lynx
Better yet let me be a Murloc warrior 😈
dawn canyon
this is the funniest shit man
cursive tree
Panda?
grave crane
this is the funniest shit man
i am death eater of worlds lol
vapid lynx
Oh yes please
dawn canyon
hecking chonkers 
cursive tree
Let’s go
vapid lynx
ChonkyBoi
void hill
alright that's what im doing
strong forum
in terms of maxing dps, all you can do is just pump as much as you can into revenge without foregoing SS
zealous willow
i think the problem with dps on warriors is maybe the "bad" revenge?
void hill
so in aoe it's still RAV > SS >TC > Revenge spam?
zealous willow
u might miss some targets if they are not stacked good infront of u with revange
strong forum
its like Rav > SS > revenge >= TC
however on 6+ targets using outburst on TC (assuming you have still high banner uptime) is also decently good for dmg
strong forum
in gamba id say like 12k?
void hill
okay
void hill
sure
strong forum
in the 22 i did in may i did 12k
mortal brook
okay so standard pwar should do way more?
void hill
i know the bdk i normally run with gets close to 14k in there often in mid 20s
strong forum
in 17 i did 15k apparently
void hill
damn clapping
zealous willow
today i check the all tanks logs on de other side
strong forum
DoS is fucky
zealous willow
bottom is druid top is dk all others is almost same dps
grave crane
Nom is just built different
zealous willow
warriors are better in tyra obvs
void hill
so in terms of TC in Shadowlands I guess I'm a bit confused. Last time i played prot was 8.3 and TC was king
mortal brook
void hill
when do you tc
mortal brook
after SS
mortal brook
pref with SS being 4p'd
void hill
maybe it's just my gear
strong forum
if you have logs we can have a more sophisticated look
zealous willow
TC is somekind of rage filler
strong forum
otherwise its just hearsay
TC only hits 10% less than revenge
so its by all means no bad button
zealous willow
Gorb if ur trash is not well stacked u must know that revenge aoe cone is not big
its not big aoe spell
strong forum
^
void hill
right
strong forum
very important point
lofty widget
it's 180 degrees no?
strong forum
its 180 degree cone, yes
void hill
i dont think mob stacking has changed since 8.3
strong forum
but a tad bit shorter than TC
void hill
i know revenge can be a bit of a pain
mortal brook
sounds like a semicircle
zealous willow
i mean sometimes u can lose dps from that missed targets from revenge even if u do perfect rotation
void hill
sure
lofty widget
never thought about it, mobs should just naturally walk in front of you
strong forum
positioning is very important for our dmg
mortal brook
its 180 degree cone, yes
mortal brook
void hill
do you use tc vs st
strong forum
100%
its necessary to keep up banner
in pure ST you need to use both SS and TC on 100% CD to keep up banner
unless its a boss where you can charge+intervene extremely often
void hill
What do you mean keep up banner?
mortal brook
necrolord covenant's banner ability
void hill
yea i have it i just pop in on cd
mortal brook
void hill
okay well there we have it
strong forum
and then run out of the buff
void hill
oh it's the legendary interaction with banner
mortal brook
a Glorious interaction, to be sure
void hill
well my guess is that was the thing i was missing
strong forum
its kinda the whole point of 9.2 prot warri ye
sick sentinel
i love the necro dk ability
void hill
yea im perma in combat
halfway across maldraxus and still in combat
finally dropped lol
strong forum
indie company
sick sentinel
indie company
with the amount and turn around time on tiny, or major, glaring issues not so much really a joke lol
strong forum
sick sentinel
seems to be a wow wide thing
mortal brook
has to do with swapping gear loadouts when spec swapping
chilly brook
indie company
Hey man, they’re a multi dollar company they’re doing the best they can
strong forum
has never been an issue idk
chilly brook
Also never had my unity bug
strong forum
i use autoswapping when spec swapping and it was always working for me
jagged pier
it only matters if u use the quick gear swap
chilly brook
it only matters if u use the quick gear swap
I do
strong forum
and if you have unity on a diff slot
chilly brook
Never had it bug
strong forum
if its the exact same item, nothing bugs out
strong forum
if we had logs we could check
void hill
becaue i've not swapped anything on this char
sick sentinel
only a minor gripe, but i wish the item that you buy to unlock all the conduits really did do, all of them for the other 3 covenants as well, dunno if its like that for the ZM related one too or not
sick sentinel
its just an extra 1500 gold, like who gives a fuck, and you get a 145 or something vs 200, but its the very definiton of so close but yet so far
strong forum
its annoying
drifting fable
think that shit costs like 10k flux in s4 too right
which of course we have a ton of but itll add up
lofty widget
thats for 278
drifting fable
yes
sick sentinel
like and dont get me wrong either, i know there is no such thing as perfection
grave crane
They definitely have things that could be coded better to be more quality of life
Like a forge of bonds in Oribos and letting covenants just be like a talent choice I can switch to through
drifting fable
or anima just auto depositing
sick sentinel
could/should have been able to at the table you first chose your covenant at
since that person knows all about each of them
fits the lore, in a central hub
void hill
if im at a dummy and im just doing shield slam/tc/auto attack should i be keeping banner up?
mortal brook
strong forum
SS, TC, Avatar, Demo, Rav, LS and charge weaving like crazy
and ofc use alot of IP and Revenge
zealous willow
if im at a dummy and im just doing shield slam/tc/auto attack should i be keepin...
at dummy u cant , u need to get hit for more rage
void hill
f me
void hill
I think my unity has been bugged since i got it. Im gonna do a 15 and see what my uptime looks like
strong forum
im actually boosted
i kept up banner for 10minutes on dummy, and got mad that i could never go above 15sec accumulated duration of banner
i wasnt playing booming voice
and here i thought i was worse than i am
(which i prolly still am)
mortal brook
Thorykrafr
grave crane
I think the highest I got on a dummy ways 20ish seconds but no one was around for intervene
grave crane
Well I’m definitely a rookie lol
sand pebble
Who was it lmao
lofty widget
hidden tech
sick sentinel
i have a 60 boost, but i dunno what to do it on
sand pebble
evoker in df
wild hemlock
Are we op now boys
sick sentinel
pretty much, i might just like transfer warrior to alliance full server
and then boost a warrior
dawn canyon
evoker in df
They start 60
wild hemlock
Phil is ignore pain buff fat or no
dawn canyon
Idk why you would make a second warrior
sick sentinel
ideal world i have a max level of every toon horde and alliance full servers
nevre happen but
dawn canyon
The smart warriors say it's good
wild hemlock
Sick
lofty widget
servers dont really matter much outside mythic guilds tbh
since AH is about to be region wide
sick sentinel
no.... but you cant trade gold alliance to horder
or across server
and some servers have more horde, some have more alliance
sand pebble
yogi go boost a freshh pwar and test out if theh extra rage gen from ironfoe extra attacks is better than a shadowlands weap
oh and be nf using codex to further buff the new ip 🙂
sick sentinel
it comes in your bags as boosted?
sick sentinel
thats the only valid 1 hand melee lvling weapon btw
2 is betterer
WTB that for 2 h, or like jaithys or whatever heirloom
mortal brook
Who was it lmao
minor helm
sick sentinel
my life long bfa long healer main friend got booted from a normal aszhara for voicing and bitching that "the tank has a green weapon" and i told him shut up on voice discord he didnt, after we killed it, the gorup said very loudly something about never talk shit about green weapon tank
modern brook
Imagine talking to wow players
sick sentinel
i told him after "raiding is, you stfu, listen to what raid leader say to do, you say nothin ever until called out/asked, kill boss"
and he joined some raiding guild seemed to work out for him
mortal brook
lesson learned. dont talk to people
sick sentinel
only if you have to talk to them you do
mortal brook
sounds healthy
sick sentinel
sometimes you need the get shit done mentality
tranquil edge
I have a question about Necro prot and Necrotic Affix (assuming it carries as such into S4).
Does anyone know if Necrotic just ruins NecroProt's absorbs completely? I assume so and it's better running Kyrian for it, but I'm not sure
cobalt seal
Necro prot's absorbs?
tranquil edge
The Marileth ones + Fleshcraft
mortal brook
yes they would be reduced by necrotic
lofty widget
why would you give up 22 % str and 400 mastery cause you cant fc sometimes?
tranquil edge
If I'm a whole lot less tanky, I'd prolly go Kyri for the clear stacks and damage/spear tether I guess?
lofty widget
and it still gives the % dr while channeling if thats what youre worried about
cobalt seal
no
mortal brook
those shouldnt be significant contributors to your overall survival, tbh
cobalt seal
If I'm a whole lot less tanky, I'd prolly go Kyri for the clear stacks and damag...
if those have higher % in healing
I have some questions: Where IP?
Where even more IP?
tranquil edge
I suppose just weaving in and out is better than going Kyrian then
tranquil edge
Thanks for the response. Guess I'm still ghosting it a bit
cobalt seal
if you want to play kyrian do it
vernal vale
Have we figured out where unity will go best next tier since legendaries are not getting an upgrade?
strong forum
cloak/wrist/neck
vernal vale
cabochon from gambit will still be a thing which is a huge haste value neck
so cloak i guess unless i'm forgetting about some really solid itemized cloak
wrists will still get a socket though
so based on our more stats are better stats wrists might be the best place to take the hit
median tulip
Wrists is the best Unity slot if you're reforging
vernal vale
Its on my helm at the moment so ill be reforging it for next season
median tulip
If you're using a belt though then you might as well stick with it
median tulip
Its on my helm at the moment so ill be reforging it for next season
Yeah fair enough, you don't want head to be low ilvl
sweet summit
cloak as the lowest stat budget so might as well put the lowest ilvl item on there
vernal vale
wrists and cloak have the same stat budget i believe
median tulip
cloak as the lowest stat budget so might as well put the lowest ilvl item on the...
Wrists is the same and comes with a free socket
median tulip
cabochon from gambit will still be a thing which is a huge haste value neck
I've been using a 272 Lavadrip Pendant from TWM+VotW all season
sick sentinel
re-rolling spinning top now
dawn canyon
Huh
median tulip
Wait not Lavadrip. That's the one on my Shaman. The other one. Watchful Eye.
I ran a LOT of VotW that week
vernal vale
i ran a lot of VoTW and never got my countermeasure
median tulip
I did 63 runs on my Shaman for the Moonlit Prism
vernal vale
i was similar on the warrior with no luck
median tulip
It's a twat of a dungeon. That first boss is a fucking nightmare
brittle owl
first boss is cool wdym
median tulip
First boss is a PUG killer
oblique garnet
Thats not 100%
oblique garnet
lofty widget
what are sharpening stones called?
jagged pier
shaded or blunt
cobalt seal
oblique garnet
https://tenor.com/view/steven-colbert-baguette-bread-cigarette-gif-4176865
Jakey youre british right
oblique garnet
Im sorry
dawn canyon
am creating a morshu to be more exact
Why arent you skipping?
lime plume
Not to nitpick but there’s KT bracers in the dungeon/m+ bis list for season 4 on the wowhead guide. Not that anyone is probably dying to know what bracers are actually bis from s4 m+ lol.
sick sentinel
don't have the hertige
strong forum
Not to nitpick but there’s KT bracers in the dungeon/m+ bis list for season 4 on...
yes?
thats correct
theyre highest ilvl
oh you mean seperate m+ drop
doesnt matter cuz youll CC bracers into sepu bracers anyway
lime plume
doesnt matter cuz youll CC bracers into sepu bracers anyway
Oh ok that’s the detail I was missing
lofty widget
https://i.imgur.com/307fOGO.png
apparently if you want 100 % you cant refresh banner ever 😦
just tried as well
lofty widget
nah i mean i went into 1st boss mists with like 15 sec then re applied for kevin in burn phase
but that re apply counts as downtime
😠
dawn canyon
Kevin is a G
sick sentinel
im watching nom get deleted to pf
drifting sail
How do you guys even get close to 100% uptime? I'm very new to it but struggle to get above 80%
real thunder
what does the 30% effective nerf to IP mean? i see taht the size is going up by 30%. So does taht mean we will have a higher IP max but each absorb hit will absorb less tahn before?
lofty widget
what does the 30% effective nerf to IP mean? i see taht the size is going up by...
every cast of IP is 30 % bigger, and the total cap of IP is also 30 % bigger (if you dont have crazy mastery/vers)
real thunder
so no change to each amount absorbed per hit then?
lofty widget
nope, still 55 %
real thunder
thx
drifting fable
How do you guys even get close to 100% uptime? I'm very new to it but struggle t...
close to 80% is still fairly decent, depending on the dungeon its hard to get 100% every single time. but if youre getting that far id say post a log so we can see what minor things to fix. generally it will come down to how well you are managing the insane rage fluctuation
after a certain stage its pretty hard to tell what youre doing wrong without a log
drifting sail
Alright yeah that makes sense
brittle owl
limpid pawn
yo if we do an 18 not in time, do we get a 15 next week?
mortal brook
Time the 18
agile pumice
Pretty sure that'll give you 14
chrome falcon
^ correct
sand drum
sorry @strong forum me more
with crafted ring and without banner ;>
and only mop gem ? 5% one
sand drum
speed enchant ? that a thing :C
strong forum
cloak
sand drum
think I run avoid 😛 should probly swap cus im at 7% avoid
strong forum
yes
sand drum
odd Q but do we know potentially will be on Max "opinion vid" of Pwar talents 🤔 ? or warr in general :>
urban portal
my uncle works at max's central nervous system and he told me max is gonna make sure to talk shit about prot warrior so we get more buffs
drifting fable
sand drum
my uncle works at max's central nervous system and he told me max is gonna make ...
"more buffs" ? what do we need more then not being 🐒 ?
drifting fable
were less looking for buffs to current pwar, more looking towards a decent class design in df
current pwar owns
zealous willow
i would like some crit block stuff more
chrome falcon
odd Q but do we know potentially will be on Max "opinion vid" of Pwar talents �...
are you asking us what max's opinion is going to be of our talent tree?
a talent tree that neither we, nor he, have seen?
sand drum
are you asking us what max's opinion is going to be of our talent tree?
asking who he potentially will invite to talk about it :> *
oblique garnet
About prot?
chrome falcon
ah ok you missed out the "who" from that question which is a pretty important part of it
oblique garnet
chrome falcon
and no
he'll probably do what he did with ret and ask "who the fuck even plays this class"
sand drum
ah ok you missed out the "who" from that question which is a pretty important pa...
sry :c
oblique garnet
He probably asks atrocity
chrome falcon
i am very smart and i will ensure that we get shield barrier back over IP
oblique garnet
And lightee/naowh
strong forum
Max has no idea about prot war
no fucking idea
so whenever he does talent shit about pwar, you can safely ignore it
chrome falcon
sure but presumably when he does his roundtable he'll get people who do know
dawn canyon
max might get people with a clue on tho
oblique garnet
Who has clue?
dawn canyon
idk sense andy some of us
chrome falcon
max doesn't know shit about most classes that aren't meta
oblique garnet
Hes gonna get pointed to whatever rank 1 rio pwarr who has no idea
dawn canyon
odds are he'll grab dorki/naowh/scot or whatever
chrome falcon
me i know a lot about prot warrior pick me smile
strong forum
odds are he'll grab dorki/naowh/scot or whatever
doorki has no idea
oblique garnet
Unless Sense goes
sand drum
doorki has no idea
Nom for Rountable with Max 🤔
dawn canyon
he does get class discord people
strong forum
and the tank discords
ionic roost
Theorycrafters are cring tho
strong forum
especially the tank ones
strong forum
same
lament musk
Everyone here is cringe
oblique garnet
Me ook ook me warrior
urban portal
Max hates theorycrafters
dont a lot of top players hate theorycrafters
because the top players think they play better than some nerd who does math
experience>theory
or something like that
strong forum
idk bout that, i just know about max specifically hating the tank side and hating class discords
urban portal
makes snse
because i know some top rogue players refuse to believe TC
even though rogue has the #1 TC community in wow
distant crystal
watching the guy vs <insert random rogue streamer's broscience> debates in that discord
so good
and it was never the actual top rogue arguing, just one of their fans kek
urban portal
lemme find it
it was like a google docs guide
the guy was like "idc if (x lego) sims bad, it plays better for me"
or something like "you want x haste, y crit, dump rest into vers"
lemme find it tho
i think i first noticed this in 9.0
ton of people started using this leggo
distant crystal
i mostly hung out over there in BFA in the outlaw channel
urban portal
but then rogue discord was like "this leggo under performs in all content"
because they are the only class allowed to use dungeon slice
so they know
distant crystal
and boy were there a lot of top m+ outlaw rogues that feelycrafted hardcore
but tbf, sims/tc are a lot harder in M+
than ST patchwerk
oblique garnet
Feelycraft is best craft
urban portal
sheesh
vapid lynx
I’ve been told dungeon slice is pretty good for FDK too
distant crystal
i know there were lots of ppl resistant to using MFD too when guy was really pushing it for m+
dawn canyon
i know there were lots of ppl resistant to using MFD too when guy was really pus...
its an extra bind innit
distant crystal
not sure about FDK but melee specs that don't have a lot of like, set up for their dmg it's pretty good
distant crystal
its an extra bind innit
ya, but it was a dps gain without getting any resets from dying mobs
and with resets it was huge
dawn canyon
not sure about FDK but melee specs that don't have a lot of like, set up for the...
no aoe apl in warrior
distant crystal
ye
dawn canyon
imo cool gameplay
urban portal
whats the current iteration of surrender
distant crystal
if the target you cast it on dies before it ends you don't die
but when the target dies you lose the surrender bonuses, but keep the extra voidform
distant crystal
so you want to apply it to something that will die just before it ends, but you can be as conservative/reckless as you want
urban portal
but isnt that unviable rn
because it incentivizes sniping in aoe but i heard spriests dont care about resource in aoe
just mash searing
unreal sinew
hit 60 earlier this week and got both legendaries
looking to start gearing to get the Tier sets
but with S4 on tuesday... not sure what to do
is it worth jumping in trying to gear with S4 so close?
if so any suggestions where to start?
ionic fern
Ideally you would be geared enough for S4 to start doing keys straight away.
unreal sinew
i stopped playing in 9.0
tbh no idea where to start Oo
urban portal
at least finish the zereth mortis campaign
unreal sinew
did that then made the Reprisal legendary
urban portal
ok so you have double leggos
ionic fern
Get NL to renown 80
Ensure you have Unity/Reprisal
Get 4P
urban portal
thats a good start
ionic fern
AFter that i would just do dungeons to get some gear/io score because you know people are gonna be like "NEED 3k io score for a +2"
urban portal
just push your key as high as you can
even if you need to start at a 2
and slowly crawl up
unreal sinew
its still worth doing with the ilvl jump comp tuesday?
ionic fern
What is your ilvl now?
unreal sinew
239
ionic fern
Then yes
You will have a hard time getting into groups
With that low ilvl when s4 comes
unreal sinew
hmmm
will there be any new Catch up stuff come S4?
astral wigeon
how can i do a macro for spear of bastion and ravager @ player , lets say i want to make it as SHIFT 4 , so what ever skill is not on cool down shld be casted , but when i add cast @ player the macro stops working Oo
ebon wren
yay ignore pain buff? (season 4)
lofty widget
how can i do a macro for spear of bastion and ravager @ player , lets say i want...
/cast [@player] Ravager
/cast [@player] Spear of Bastion
urban portal
hmmm
will there be any new Catch up stuff come S4?
Probably
urban portal
/cast [@player] Ravager
/cast [@player] Spear of Bastion
That doesn’t work
2 abilities on gcd can’t be macroed
lofty widget
wouldnt that cast rav, and if its on cd then sob
lofty widget
right
astral wigeon
nop doesn't
urban portal
If the first ability on cd
chrome falcon
no you'd need a cast sequence thing right
urban portal
Because if that’s doable I can automate my rotation on arms
astral wigeon
but its not working perfectly aswell
astral wigeon
thats why used ravager b4 spear cause its 45 sec cd while spear is 1min
astral wigeon
yeah not gona play lord xD
chrome falcon
the tooltip number on your IP is going to be 30% bigger
no, it's not going to start absorbing 85% of the damage you take
crystal iris
Perfect
chrome falcon
the tooltip number is jusst going to be 30% higher
crystal iris
Hahah
crystal iris
no, it's not going to start absorbing 85% of the damage you take
So still 55% absorbed
toxic pewter
strong forum
fine i added some numbers
crystal iris
What lol
chrome falcon
banner = str+mastery = bigger IP
crystal iris
Neat
strong forum
banner gives you loads of AP and Str
chrome falcon
it's gonna be some random number between like 1.7 and 2.2 depending on your stats and banner conduit
though i guess everyone will have 278 conduit now
crystal iris
So it’s a buff? are we sure lol
strong forum
its a 30% buff
chrome falcon
technically speaking the buff would have been bigger if they didn't change the cap
chrome falcon
no you still press it just as much
you do not, and have not for this entire patch, pressed IP for the shield
chrome falcon
IP is there to make your big red bar go down
lofty widget
unless you have like omega mastery its a buff
but i doubt those numbers are even reachable
crystal iris
No I know it’s to dump rage
chrome falcon
yes nomer my point is that
2x new IP value > 30% max hp > 2x old IP value
crystal iris
But now it’s almost more of a rage dump
chrome falcon
your playstyle is going to change 0% because of this buff
strong forum
it will be a significant buff of how much dmg you IP will absorb over the course of a dungeon
crystal iris
Since achieving the same amount of mitigation requires less button presses of IP
chrome falcon
it's just a nice passive surv increase
chrome falcon
yes but you never pressed IP for the mitigation anyway so
toxic pewter
Is healing done the best metric to measure impact of ip
chrome falcon
just play how you used to
strong forum
the per key press IP is also 30% bigger
crystal iris
Is healing done the best metric to measure impact of ip
Not this week 😅
crystal iris
Y’a so it’s faster to hit cap
crystal iris
Hahah
chrome falcon
the cap is also higher than it used to be
strong forum
itll take the same mount of time to get to cap
crystal iris
It’s a technicality I know the play style doesn’t change
strong forum
the cap increases by 30%
aswell as the cast
chrome falcon
cap = also bigger in a roughly equivalent way
strong forum
so IP itself is entirely 30% larger
reaching cap or not doesnt play a role
its 30% more
crystal iris
Haha yup
strong forum
just because IP is capped doesnt mean its not bigger than pre-patch
just because 2x IP = cap doesnt mean it not 30% bigger than before
the total amount it absorbs increases
toxic pewter
How much more healing u think we will do
toxic pewter
Maybe like 7% or somethin
modern brook
I'd say about 30%
strong forum
your absorb didnt increae
modern brook
Comparatively
strong forum
the total amount it absorbs increases
crystal iris
No It’s great
I mean it doesn’t matter to playstyle. But y’a it’s good that we’ll have more absorb
thorny stone
Did we really needed this buff, or the last buff to execute?
What are the pwarriors that are not on this discord doing to screw the data that bad.
crystal iris
I think my cap used to be like 18k
chrome falcon
like on a scale of 1-100 where 1 is useless and 100 is "we're unkillable"
i'd say this buff is about hmmm
maybe
30?
chrome falcon
stick around a while anjan and see what new people say in here
strong forum
it wasnt needed at all
chrome falcon
i don't know what's happened but
lofty widget
might be all the ppl who dont play pwar who says "warr is weak to magic"
strong forum
theyre great changes
chrome falcon
like 50% of people just have no idea what the fuck they're doing
zealous willow
Why not needed
strong forum
cuz we were already plenty strong
chrome falcon
because we were already a top 2 or 3 tank
strong forum
just very hard to play