Then use it better
#protection
chrome falcon
chilly brook
IP should be on a key bind that you can hit easily at anytime
chrome falcon
I'm not super strict on my opener but if I have all CDs up I will press a macro that's avatar+LS+trinket at the same time as charge, immediately SB during the charge, shield slam up to basically rage cap, spam some IP, revenge
astral wave
Ahhh yea I would struggle with that too tbh
chilly brook
So for me it’s on my thumb exactly where it rests on my mouse
lofty widget
can you hit multiple buttons at once on an mmo mouse?
chrome falcon
If I have ravager up I will precast that as well
lofty widget
looks clunky
chilly brook
can you hit multiple buttons at once on an mmo mouse?
You could
median tulip
I only have mouse over things on my mmi mouse buttons;
chilly brook
Just need to next to each other
median tulip
Or Cursor macros
astral wave
I use thumb buttons for a couple things, but never things I would use back to back like a rotation. Its more like, rally and stuff
cinder storm
I have banner on my mouse down wheel
chrome falcon
You really need IP on a button that you can press with 0 effort
chrome falcon
During LS+lust if you have DS available you;re going to be pressing 9+ IPs in about 16 seconds
And still overcapping slightly depending on SS procs
chilly brook
Tbh the GCD in this game is a long time
It’s not like you need to press things right after each other
astral wave
My execute is right above my IP
I see a fellow expert at slapping 2 keys together
chilly brook
There’s plenty of time between gcds
chrome falcon
You've just gone from 30 seconds of banner uptime to what, 1:15? So it should be pretty clear to you that you have a lot to learn and practice
median tulip
During LS+lust if you have DS available you;re going to be pressing 9+ IPs in ab...
I am in the habit of going for IP after each GCD ability
chilly brook
I see a fellow expert at slapping 2 keys together
I mean in execute IP stops getting pressed
chrome falcon
It's not as unachievable as you think it is
urban bane
I’ve been using shift g for ignore pain and moved it to 2 recently and it is like… why did I make myself suffer so much for so long
chilly brook
I play my tank like a mongo dps
chrome falcon
putting any rotational ability on a modifier like shift or control
is like
masochism
chilly brook
median tulip
I don't use any modifiers. My hands just won't do that
urban bane
Outlaw had so many abilities you press so much so I got used to shift mods
median tulip
I have a keyboard with 9 extra buttons tho
lucid robin
So...I saw someone say they do avatar+LS+Trinket on charge, and another banner on charge? I assume either of those is fine?
astral wave
I keep things like IP on easily repeatable keys like E or 3
chilly brook
So...I saw someone say they do avatar+LS+Trinket on charge, and another banner o...
doesn't mattr
chrome falcon
So...I saw someone say they do avatar+LS+Trinket on charge, and another banner o...
you can do both
chrome falcon
the things i listed (avatar LS trinket) are off GCD
bright salmon
I have Ignor3 Pain on Shift T ....
chilly brook
as dumb as that sounds
chilly brook
literally don't think
chrome falcon
this spec is not strict on your opener
as long as you're pressing something you're good
chilly brook
generate your rage and spend it
lucid robin
Okay... 😄
astral wave
I have Ignor3 Pain on Shift T ....
chilly brook
Press shield slam on CD, press ravager on CD, press avatar on CD, press banner on CD, spend rage with revenj/execute and use IP to make sure you don't cap on rage
that's all you need
chrome falcon
just don't sit on DS or ravager for ages
chilly brook
well charge weave obviously
median tulip
I have my racial macroed into Avatar, because fuck tracking the Cooldown of a racial
chilly brook
but that's it
chrome falcon
I very strong recommend for like the 5th time that you log
vernal vale
Logitech g600 is a good mouse
chrome falcon
It's pretty easy to log and upload
astral wave
I have my racial macroed into Avatar, because fuck tracking the Cooldown of a ra...
^ one of the only macros I do usually
chrome falcon
And will help us figure out your gaps v quickly
chilly brook
Logitech g600 is a good mouse
goin strong for like 5 years
urban bane
I think I just conceptually didn’t understand the use of IP when I started prot and then once I did I was lazy and didn’t swap to a better key instead til recently but… thank god I did shiiiit
chrome falcon
i wish they made logitechs in left handed versions
chilly brook
I think I just conceptually didn’t understand the use of IP when I started prot ...
no one does
it's ok
chrome falcon
instead i had to stock up on razer nagas when they did their limited edition
chilly brook
it's a bad spell that blizzard refuses to let go of
urban bane
It is weird as fuck
chilly brook
i wish they made logitechs in left handed versions
they do just not the 600 
astral wave
IP should just make you not take damage. Like how is it IGNORE if you are obviously very conscious of the pain
chilly brook
because you're ignoring half of it duh
urban bane
I mean ignoring pain and taking damage are conceptually pretty different.
I might be able to ignore the pain from a broken leg but I likely still couldn’t physically walk right
median tulip
I think I just conceptually didn’t understand the use of IP when I started prot ...
IP is a button that triggers AM, Indomitable and Necrolord Unity, and just happens to also give an absorb shield
pallid quiver
just let us not magically conjure unbreakable not die shields again
astral wave
I mean ignoring pain and taking damage are conceptually pretty different.
This guy dont think like a true warrior. If you just yell and ignore the hurt, are you ever actually injured? I saw it in anime
lucid robin
Okay, to clarify, I should be able to charge, then hit avatar, ls, trinket, shield block, and banner all at the same time, if I have keys and macros set up properly?
chrome falcon
yes only one of those things is on the gcd
urban bane
IP is a button that triggers AM, Indomitable and Necrolord Unity, and just happe...
So true lol
lucid robin
Alright, here goes. Made some changes.
chrome falcon
But to be clear even that is going to make very little different compared to doing the rotation correctly
median tulip
Alright, here goes. Made some changes.
Keep at it. Much as it might not seem like it, everyone else here had to learn how to do it too.
lofty widget
believeable
strong forum
i was
median tulip
Liars xD
chrome falcon
i did have a good time at the start of 9.2 when people were struggling with banner uptime tbf
strong forum
ive never died in world of warcraft
chrome falcon
when i had already been bleeding for 75 second banners on sylvanas in 9.1
lucid robin
Keep at it. Much as it might not seem like it, everyone else here had to learn h...
Well, got it to 1:35 that time. And I know there were a number of buttons I pressed wrong.
chrome falcon
but that only lasted a week 
washed
urban bane
ive never died in world of warcraft
Some people say he is still rolling his banner buff to this day
chrome falcon
1:35 much better than 30 that you were at least
literally just practicing and sweat it out
man i really want to do a meme run of like normal sepulchre seeing if you can roll 100% uptime for a full clear
because you can literally end vigilant guardian with 3+ mins of banner remaining
median tulip
Vigilant Guardian is a fucking joke tho
odd tree
are you counting travel time too? cause some of those flight path things are long
median tulip
Your biggest problem on VG is your DPS killing adds so fast that you run out of shit to punch for Rage
chrome falcon
well you're gonna reset to 2 mins every time you pull a boss
so the strat would be to call stop dps on vigilant execute
vernal vale
Your biggest problem on VG is your DPS killing adds so fast that you run out of ...
This
lucid robin
Attempt 2: 1:40
lofty widget
so close
median tulip
Attempt 2: 1:40
Getting there xD
lucid robin
still to slow on my backstepping for charge weaving I think.
dawn canyon
Dont press S
lofty widget
can also strafe
chrome falcon
you want to jump out at the same time as a global
yeah don't literally backpedal
if you gimme like 5 mins i'd be happy to stream myself whacking a dummy and show what i do
lucid robin
Trying to remember that I can move and still thunderclap, so that I'm doing it while I'm already using a global.
median tulip
If you're on the dummies in the Necrolord cov hall you can step to one side of one and charge the other
My charge macro automatically changes my target to whatever I charged to make charge weaving easier
strong forum
thats generally what charge does
median tulip
thats generally what charge does
It's a mouse over charge macro
astral wave
still to slow on my backstepping for charge weaving I think.
Wait are you using S to backpeddle?
lucid robin
lucid robin
No, I strafe and jump. I'm just too slow making the decision.
strong forum
now keep doing it until you can keep it for longer
astral wave
Ahh ok pog, just making sure
lofty widget
now the real challenge: get to 3 minutes banner uptime so you can rotate LS as well
strong forum
^
lofty widget
then youll truly have infinite banner
median tulip
Yeah, 3 minutes is as good as infinity
lucid robin
Well, for me I think I also need to be able to do it longer because in actualy combat where you're having to move, you need to build buffer in it. You can't always be one global away from expiration. 😄
strong forum
exactly
lucid robin
Real easy if you can barely scratch out 2m on a target dummy to see half that in a dungeon.
median tulip
Also, get into the habit of using Shield Wall in among all of this you're doing; Shield Wall comes back really really fast in this build
lucid robin
Is shield wall on global?
strong forum
no
lofty widget
nope
median tulip
No
strong forum
defensives are to 99% not on GCD
lofty widget
looks at DS
chrome falcon
strong forum
DS is a dmg button
chrome falcon
thanks to a talent sure
strong forum
oh you mean demo shout
lofty widget
yes
strong forum
yes demo shout on GCD makes no sense
lofty widget
whats the other DS 
strong forum
yes
lofty widget
nice
astral wave
Thats toxic
median tulip
Oh I thought you meant Divine Shield lol
lofty widget
parses dont matter anyway so who cares
cinder storm
That's a good outcome
urban portal
i think this is fine
you need to troll hard to grief a log
and because of the per player rule, you cant solo troll someones logs
lucid robin
Ahahah. Well, I hit the full 2 minutes but messed up my log because I saw it come off cooldown and my brain told me to press it again. 😄
lofty widget
shouldnt be an issue
urban portal
the only way to troll a log
is if 1 person is getting PI on CD
and then a second priest PIs him for fun
actually really difficult to troll
lucid robin
No, not an issue, just throws me off if I'm trying to see how long I can keep one rolling. 😄
urban portal
it could be better but its a good step
lofty widget
RIP boost 😦
lucid robin
2:15
median tulip
the only way to troll a log
The real troll move is to wait until all his cooldowns have expired, and then PI him
lucid pasture
true real
lucid robin
So if I can keep it at that level or slightly higher a couple more tries, I'll try hitting it again near the end and seeing if i can keep it rolling into the next LS.
hoary bough
what weakaura sets do people use? i've been using luxthos, but i'm thinking of trying something diff
chrome falcon
Dont hit it until it runs out
dawn canyon
what weakaura sets do people use? i've been using luxthos, but i'm thinking of t...
Nomeratur has a good weakaura
Should be able to find it on wago
lucid robin
Dont hit it until it runs out
got it
median tulip
what weakaura sets do people use? i've been using luxthos, but i'm thinking of t...
I made my own
hoary bough
oooh, i have, ty, gonna try it
chrome falcon
The benefit of buffing your group/getting kevin is marginal
compared to having more uptime
Sometimes I will repop banner if I still have one up if we really need more burst
But that's more of a raid thing
hoary bough
oh i really like this wa, the way my charges/intervenes are to one side, taunt, pummel etc on the other
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> because of the ip changes, are you going to buff your hair...
It's always buffed
stone spoke
I'm new to prot and struggling with high banner uptime what is the secret to having above 90%? I ended a key with like 50
strong forum
That's sounds like my UI
chrome falcon
play better
dawn canyon
I recommend it
chrome falcon
hit your CDs on CD
dawn canyon
hoary bough
phil told me to steal ur ui
strong forum
I'm new to prot and struggling with high banner uptime what is the secret to hav...
There's no secret besides playing well
Good Phil you get a raise
chrome falcon
the actual lifehack is to log your run and post it here so we can help @stone spoke
strong forum
;)
hoary bough
when you practice banner uptime on dummies, are you just ignoring intervene or is there an ally you can intervene?
stone spoke
Yeah maybe next season but it's probably my lack of charges, ty
strong forum
Ignore intervene
chrome falcon
nah the only way to get IVs is to have someone afk next to you
strong forum
It's achievable without intervene
pallid quiver
You can keep banner up 100% without ever pressing intervene on a dummy
stone spoke
Are you leaving out for a charge?
chrome falcon
Yeah maybe next season but it's probably my lack of charges, ty
it could be anything, chances are you're missing SS procs. best way is defo log and just look at it yourself even if you're not showing others
stone spoke
Leaping*
chrome falcon
you can leap out for a charge
muted nexus
chargeweaving is necessary
hoary bough
i won't be able to, since i only have 2pc 
but i'm gonna see how well i can do
strong forum
If you can do it without intervene you'll have a much higher chance of keeping banner up in real scenarios
pallid quiver
you can also do this weird thing known also walking out of melee range
modern brook
Hey guys can I get 100% bummer uptime on a dummy without intervene?
chrome falcon
leaping out is clunky
pallid quiver
yeah the above there
strong forum
Are you leaving out for a charge?
Leaping and walking yes
muted nexus
Hey guys can I get 100% bummer uptime on a dummy without intervene?
lol
chrome falcon
i legit cannot remember the last time i actually like
hard leaped out and charged back in
it's so easy to get other ways
muted nexus
i only do it on bosses cuz they're immune to trash clap
lofty widget
first boss streets
chrome falcon
most bosses give you windows to charge anyway though
strong forum
Or when fov is fucked
lucid robin
Okay, managed to keep 92% uptime on banner
vestal moat
Bull rush charge back is the most satisfying.
strong forum
Bosses are generally the big ones to leap-charge ye
I'll however also start using speed gems
lucid robin
Not yet, but I'm sometimes slow noticing when the buff drops.
strong forum
I feel kinda stupid not having run speed gems until now
lofty widget
what
potent anvil
Speed gems own
strong forum
You can use 2 speed gems
lofty widget
instead of haste?
potent anvil
Crit owns
strong forum
It can make charge weaving a small bit easier
hoary bough
huh, so the rage bar in this WA is the seeing red buff, which is really cool, do you have an external rage bar wa or something?
strong forum
So I'm all for it
potent anvil
Any crit enjoyers? 
strong forum
huh, so the rage bar in this WA is the seeing red buff, which is really cool, do...
The WA is pinned
muted nexus
Any crit enjoyers? <:gladge:963970137701109820>
not very sanic of u
lofty widget
Any crit enjoyers? <:gladge:963970137701109820>
dk wannabe
strong forum
Any crit enjoyers? <:gladge:963970137701109820>
That looks like kleia padding to me
potent anvil
Nope
hoary bough
The WA is pinned
the rage bar or seeing red? i have your seeing red bar, just wondered if you have rage bar enabled on elvui or use a separate wa for general rage
potent anvil
Not kleia
strong forum
the rage bar or seeing red? i have your seeing red bar, just wondered if you hav...
Rage bar is from elvui
hoary bough
makes sense
potent anvil
Just full natty crit as necrolord
lucid pasture
It's always buffed
Rip bozo
hazy edge
Any crit enjoyers? <:gladge:963970137701109820>
get rekt son
potent anvil
Crit vers 
lucid robin
hazy edge
Crit vers <:dandy:809705852658253844>
it's my monk lol
muted nexus
get rekt son
its been 84 years since my last auto.jpg
dawn canyon
You gotten to the 2nd last stand yet?
sick sentinel
i still like my critical / mastery / versa lust idea except that it would probably invalidate some bosses that everyone has +30% crit
strong forum
get rekt son
Unethical
lucid robin
Not yet. That's my longest on a single cast of banner
Last time I recast banner when the first expired and kept it up pretty much the whole time.
sick sentinel
like, if 5 people in the team, or raid now have +30% crit boss is gunna get yeeted
muted nexus
last stands conduit rage+% is actually thicc daddy
potent anvil
97% is achievable in overall
hazy edge
Unethical
It's legit me just equipping the highest ilvl pieces my monk has gotten. it kinda sucks having 1% haste ngl
strong forum
Achievable natty?
lofty widget
someone should get actual 100 % in a run
lofty widget
might try this week
muted nexus
banner is the difference between trash mob and raid boss tho
hoary bough
what kind of % should i aim for with 2pc?
mighty valley
aim for 4pc
strong forum
97% is achievable in overall <:okayge:917646812519739433>
21min key sounds like mists
Or gamba
potent anvil
Halls+19
strong forum
Disgust
potent anvil
Favorite dungeon, just spamming it to fill vault 
potent anvil
Gotta get a 278 scale before season ends, you know?
minor helm
strong forum
I got 278 codex this week
muted nexus
a 278 piece of toilet paper yes
sick sentinel
ill do a 15
minor helm
Must be good
sick sentinel
but thats it
oblique garnet
Favorite dungeon, just spamming it to fill vault <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Log off
sick sentinel
also, pm, not military time wtf
strong forum
I find 12hr clock comfy
hoary bough
the best dungeon is gambit
hoary bough
can do it in like 12 mins
urban portal
Took codex
urban portal
Codex must be good then
lofty widget
wait codex is good now?
oblique garnet
Good
strong forum
Late confirmed
strong forum
We don't know if AP and mastery affects IP cap
I think it'll affect the IP cast, but not the IP cap
urban portal
yeah i think so
so with higher AP we are gonna get less than 2 IPs
higher AP relative to hp obviously
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
30%
hoary bough
i feel like my fingers will have giga muscles once i'm done practicing on the dummies
modern brook
I still didnt
median tulip
Rn it'll be ~3 IP casts without banner
For me it's ~2.5, and I have only 400ish M and V
modern brook
thanks
strong forum
For me it's ~2.5, and I have only 400ish M and V
your baseline cast without banner is 18k?
nani the fuck?
my baseline cast is 11k
median tulip
hmm, apparently Discord doesn't like the unicode half symbol
@strong forum I did the maths earlier
unbuffed, I currently have 11,267 per IP use. That will rise to 14,647.
My current IP cap is 22,534, which will rise to 35,930
So... IP cap rises more than the IP value does. Cap is now roughly 2.5 full IPs
median tulip
No; that's baseline unbuffed
urban portal
look at it under banner
because we should be under banner most of the time
i have a feeling its going to be about 2x ip
median tulip
14,461 with banner currently, which will rise to 18,799
urban portal
yeah so a teensy bit less
median tulip
Actually TBF all of these numbers are with Battle Shout as well, but Battle Shout might as well be unbuffed really
urban portal
you are always going to have bshout
strong forum
our class is designed with Bshout in mind
urban portal
but yeah that confirms w what im thinking
the cap changes arent always a buff
though its not a major nerf either
its a buff to neutral
median tulip
My screen when I don't have Battle Shout:
strong forum
its a neutral buff in terms of "how many IPs per cap"
urban portal
yeah
verbal depot
are prot warrios gonna be stronk with Ignore pain buff?
strong forum
but its a relevant buff in terms of "how strong is IP"
lofty widget
are prot warrios gonna be stronk with Ignore pain buff?
yes
lusty tiger
But rage: shielding has become a sweeter ratio right?
urban portal
the cap changes are to make sure we dont go too out of hand
strong forum
are prot warrios gonna be stronk with Ignore pain buff?
we already were, now we'll just get stronger
median tulip
are prot warrios gonna be stronk with Ignore pain buff?
It's a buff, but it's not in any way game-changing
strong forum
But rage: shielding has become a sweeter ratio right?
yes
IP is going to be more bang for your buck
median tulip
But rage: shielding has become a sweeter ratio right?
Ignore Pain as a button is something that we press to trigger Anger Management, Indomitable and Glory; it just so happens to come with an absorb shield as well
lusty tiger
When do I not Thunder clap? Outside of spending 4pc procs
lofty widget
when any other generator is not available
lusty tiger
I feel like I keep getting revenge procs and just never press it
lusty tiger
I c
I also get myself into a situation where I’m low rage, have a 4pc proc, but a few seconds left on tclap
Do I just send the clap?
lofty widget
can charge
median tulip
You never spend Outburst on TClap; only on Shield Slam
lusty tiger
can charge
Me likey
lofty widget
You never spend Outburst on TClap; only on Shield Slam
not really true, tc is more dmg on 6+ targets
we just prefer to SS outburst cause its more rage so easier to maintain banner
urban portal
even the best players spend 1/4 outbursts on tc
and yeah its like BV vs BSC
BV is easier banner
and bsc is higher dps
in aoe
lofty widget
yup
hazy edge
you also spend outburst on TC if you are about to override the outburst, either with Avatar coming off cd or naturally, and SS is still on cd.
better to use the proc on TC than waste it
mighty valley
but try not to corner yourself into that situation in the future
you can definitely get away with outraged TCs and sometimes with enough targets it's even good if you're still getting maxed banners
grave crane
you also spend outburst on TC if you are about to override the outburst, either ...
sadly i still do this from time to time when im zugging
mighty valley
but it's 30 net rage lost every time
lusty tiger
Yea I like the solution of looking for a charge that does fit the theme of like 65% prot war gameplay
I also think my banner time suffers from not pulling fast enough I am sketched out bringing a straggling mob from a previous pack due to pug experiences of them ignoring the leftover mob lol
I have been working on rota/weaving charges+intervenes but at the end of the day it seems almost worthless if I’m not pulling quickly enough
lofty widget
I also think my banner time suffers from not pulling fast enough I am sketched o...
if its not a caster it will join the rest eventually
otherwise you can kick it before charging to the next pack
lusty tiger
W and send ye sounds gucci
You guys ever kill melee to urh slam trying to intervene?
lusty tiger
It’s not I just dk if I laugh or cry
vestal moat
What is the easiest way to track how many outbursts I spent on tc versus shield slam ? Like with the fewest clicks on a logs page
urban portal
What is the easiest way to track how many outbursts I spent on tc versus shield ...
wowanalyzer has a lot of other info
on top of that
cerulean ibex
So with the nerf to blood scale is it still worth trying to farm it this week before reset? I have a 242 ilvevel one but didn’t know if should try for a 272?
mortal brook
specifically not worth farming, as is their intent
dawn canyon
Just get new shit
jagged pier
it hasnt been worth farming since the start of S2
urban portal
if you have a 242 one just upgrade that
odd tree
or just vendor it
urban portal
probably a gps up
sonic crag
I have a 278 scale I'll use til I get anything better in S4
harsh vector
the "30% of maximum Health" cap on IP just makes me want to curl up and cry.
a 30% buff to IP is all it needed for a Mast/Vers+ Never Surrender build to really shine and this low caps kills it right away...
chrome falcon
cap's higher than it was before bruv
lofty widget
a build that focuses on buffing IP sounds horrible ngl
chrome falcon
like that build sounds fucking horrendous
the funny thing is like
increasing the cap on IP
lofty widget
not like we have any problem capping IP atm
lofty widget
i never actually read the never surrender talent, but god damn thats shit
would be kinda cool if it increased the cap by 40-100 % instead
harsh vector
patch isn't live yet, is it?
strong forum
nop
harsh vector
so after the patch one IP at 80% Hp without banner or trinket proc will absorb 24% of my HP
so with both active, one use of IP will straight up overcap...
strong forum
huh
maybe with never surrender talented
but why would you
its a dead talent since its introduction
crystal mauve
so after the patch one IP at 80% Hp without banner or trinket proc will absorb 2...
I think they are increasing the cap as well. It basically doesn’t change anything except you will have a bigger IP, which doesn’t change anything if you are always capping on IP anyway. The damage reduction won’t be increased by 30% because that would be insane to have an 85% Absorb with 100% uptime lol
harsh vector
I was hoping for a proper alternative to the haste build and a 30% buff might have finally brought that 😦
urban portal
how does never surrender not want haste
more haste=more rage=more ip
haste is here to stay no matter what
its just how efficiently you use it
harsh vector
there were already a lot of situations, were IP would prevent more damage per rage shield block, especially with high mastery values and never surrender
crystal mauve
its a dead talent since its introduction
Haste also makes the GCD bearable too. Low haste feels so bad
strong forum
there were already a lot of situations, were IP would prevent more damage per ra...
that....is just not the case
lofty widget
there were already a lot of situations, were IP would prevent more damage per ra...
nah
SB is unlimited mitigation for 6 sec
for 30 rage
against blockable dmg ofc
urban portal
sure
if the boss was called "wicked bolt machine gun"
then maybe you never shield block
chrome falcon
I was hoping for a proper alternative to the haste build and a 30% buff might ha...
i don't know if you understand this but the new cap IS higher than the old cap
harsh vector
old cap was twice the current value, new cap is 30% max hp
harsh vector
new value can be as high a 35%, which is higher than the new cap
lofty widget
current cap is roughly 22-27 % of your max hp depending on your mastery
urban portal
we are always net gaining IP cap
urban portal
it may not be 2x the future value
chrome falcon
you're talking as if it's not so i'm just clarifying that you understand that
urban portal
but its going to be more than 2x current value always
urban portal
vulpera dwarf
lofty widget
Best race for Warr tank mainly m+ on horde and ally?
dorf, but doesnt matter
strong forum
vulpera dwarf
urban portal
gottem
lofty widget
play what looks cool
ocean yoke
the smaller the better
chrome falcon
horde: your favourite one
alliance: your favourite horde one
strong forum
alliance > horde
lofty widget
^
chrome falcon
sure you can flip it around
harsh vector
the new cap will be lower than twice the value in a lot of cases, so lower than the old cap
urban portal
it will never be lower than old cap
chrome falcon
is higher than 30% max hp
lofty widget
with my current stats my IP cap is gonna be 36 % larger than it currently is
chrome falcon
so yes technically the buff comes with a "nerf"
chrome falcon
but that "nerf" is in so many inverted commas that i can't properly express it on discord
chrome falcon
britbonger term for uhhh
strong forum
for me, itll be a straight up 30% buff
chrome falcon
speech marks or something?
lofty widget
" "
strong forum
in both cap and current cast
urban portal
quotes
drifting fable
inverted commas huh
strong forum
in german theyre called goosefeet
lofty widget
we call them goose eyes
chrome falcon
that's a banger name
crystal mauve
Quotation marks
chrome falcon
we call them inverted commas that's way more boring and utilitarian than goosefeet
drifting fable
i mean shit thats at least a little more interesting than “quote marks”
harsh vector
I have about 1000 mast and 350 vers right now, so at full HP with banner (emeni+str conduit) and NS I'll be at about 30% of my total HP from one use.
drifting fable
drifting fable
why do you not like haste?
strong forum
and NS is also just wrong
but you do you
but youre literally making yourself omega squishy for no reason
urban portal
is that 1k master with banner or without
harsh vector
without
urban portal
also, indom increases your max hp
chrome falcon
wow yeah i didn't even think about that
urban portal
which matters now
chrome falcon
yet another reason that indom is just mandatory talent
harsh vector
sadly
chrome falcon
what's sad about it
drifting fable
indom owns
chrome falcon
they're both 0 brain passives
strong forum
indom is the reason why we can survive anything
dawn canyon
Apb alt vibes
drifting fable
dawn canyon
Yep
chrome falcon
person is generous
wait i'm probably not allowed to talk shit either
phil's right this is 1984
dawn canyon
I have not, enlightened me
slim zinc
Why would you want to play anything but indom though, force yourself to be reliant on others is not very tank anymore
urban portal
mojang wants to record chat
and wants chat logs from private servers
literally 19.84
urban portal
and even if indom gets knocked down somehow
lets say deleted
IV is still insanely good
its just outclassed right now
chrome falcon
IV worse without indom
ocean yoke
just give NS some passive like using ip gives last stand cooldown hell even the names worth together
chrome falcon
it would be nice if NS competed with a talent that made us better vs physical damage
strong forum
its a lazy fucking talent
chrome falcon
so you could pick between whether you wanted phys mitigation for like
TOP
or magic mit for halls
but all 3 of those talents in that row are just different versions of self-healing
and one was obviously going to be better than the other two
strong forum
1 slows down losing HP immensly and increases HP
1 is pseudo BDK deathstrike
1 just makes a limited 55% mitigation a bit larger
i wonder which one is the most useful
chrome falcon
that's being too generous to NS
what NS actually does is cap IP in 1.7 casts instead of 2
harsh vector
Oh, and I don't hate haste at all. went full haste in legion. but things have changed and some interactions are just not there anymore, so haste not quite as broken anymore. The most common misconception probably is, that it proportionally scales your rage generated. But about a third of your rage (more during banner) comes from sources that are not affected by haste (like ravager or booming voice or simply getting hit).
also, mastery is surprisingly good at preventing incoming damage, if you actually make use of the AP through IP. and yes, IP it can very well prevent more damage per rage than shield block in a lot of cases. you have to remember, that not all blocks during SB actually come from SB. about a third would have happened anyway, even more with high mastery. not to say, SB is bad, it just not always takes priority.
that is why I was hoping for a buff to IP, so this approach would finally be seen as viable. but the low cap compared to the high values that are now possible will make it feel bad to play, when you basically have to wait for it to break to get the full effect out of this build.
maybe they'll change their mind, I can only hope 😦
So, enough of my sob story, have a nice day.
chrome falcon
" IP it can very well prevent more damage per rage than shield block in a lot of cases."
name one
name LITERALLY one
i will literally run NS on my next end-boss mythic kill in s4
strong forum
IP is only more useful than SB in situations where you CANT block anything
chrome falcon
if you can name one time that IP is more rage per DR than SB
strong forum
RNG blocking is very unreliable and can get you easily killed
but besides that point you shared your view in a respectable manner
chrome falcon
(and that's in keys, not in raids where sometimes you have a dot but aren't active tanking)
strong forum
rest i can understand, but not the point where "IP > SB" part those scenarios are beyond niche
lofty widget
actually, is it a point that IP reduces more dmg than SB on like a slow hitting boss?
lofty widget
3 isnt it
chrome falcon
i'm looking at our last jailer kill and i generated 111 rage from taking a melee in 8:30
strong forum
actually, is it a point that IP reduces more dmg than SB on like a slow hitting ...
yes
chrome falcon
which feels hilariously low
strong forum
but that boss would also have to hit very low
chrome falcon
bosses that hit slow hit hard 90% of the time
something like lihuvim is an exception
vernal vale
didnt they normalize rage from damage taken as well
so its 3 rage every 30seconds if your taking damage or something like that
chrome falcon
rygelon gave me 50% more rage in 6 minutes than jailer did in 8:30 from melee swings that's quite interesting
vernal vale
which is why its so incredibly low
I remember wrath and cataclysm when rage from damage taken could get crazy which is why you never wanted much dodge
parry, and block
lofty widget
it's 3 rage per hit per second now, apparently
strong forum
so its 3rage per sec when youre being perma pummeled
vernal vale
^
especially when it used to scale based on the damage you took
but cataclysms a long time ago
so not useful to think about anymore
undone verge
what stuff are we prob gonna buy from the vendor
lofty widget
ows shield and rdm
vernal vale
OWS, RDM for sure
undone verge
I know they nerfed OWS
prob still gonna be massive bis im guessing
since it was used over 270- trinkts
dawn canyon
Stays bis ye
vernal vale
But don’t do that
Ha, i never saw sigil drop so i might make that be my third get
chrome falcon
i'm getting it first
vernal vale
i'm getting it first
Gotta parse big man
vernal vale
that sounds fun
I'll be curious to see if i can get some good parses for s4
By the time i was actually tanking this tier all the serious warriors moved on from heroic
harsh fossil
guys.. hear me out.. OWS is gonna suck, its losing 10% haste per stack, so if you equip it dont you just lose 50% haste?
ocean yoke
true
strong forum
maff checks out
undone verge
Im thinking of going OWS+Sigil
vernal vale
execute+sigil+*fated damage buff*
if i'm anywhere in orange parse range ill be really happy with my performance
undone verge
whats RDM?
vernal vale
Reactive Defense Matrix
vernal vale
Yeah
undone verge
we taking that for the passive dmg or defensive?
undone verge
is it gonna be better than OWS and Sigil?
vernal vale
has good damage and defensive value
vernal vale
Sigil is just for parsing on bosses really
undone verge
mostly just so I can call my dps bad
vernal vale
RDM is a good m+ trinket
and when i consider how rarely ill click aegis outside of insane pulls and the fact that its off the 3rd boss in
OWS RDM seems much better
lofty widget
ill prob only grab aegis off the vendor if i drop ows/rdm before i buy them
chrome falcon
if it has an execute phase that lasts longer than 20 seconds sigil is goated
yeah if you raid mythic at all then tbh aegis and RDM are jokes to get
assuming your guild has sod skip
chrome falcon
hate to see it tbh
vernal vale
yeah if you raid mythic *at all* then tbh aegis and RDM are jokes to get
im trying to get into mythic raiding
chrome falcon
sneak your warrior into my raid chimmi they'll never know the difference
i'll RL off your discord stream
undone verge
im just waiting for my guild to finally start pushing mythic
lofty widget
heheh, i've gotten plenty of offers from mythic guilds im just not interested
undone verge
I have some CE friends and they keep tryin to sneak me out of my guild
but like I dont really want to find a new guild
I like my guildies
vernal vale
heheh, i've gotten plenty of offers from mythic guilds im just not interested
i wish i got invites lol
at least my current raid team is working on getting into being a mythic team
lofty widget
old warrior soul from sylv, reactive defense matrix from guardian
both from SoD raid
drifting magnet
makes sense, thanks
sick sentinel
i doubt ill make 60 on dk today but hes 54 now
gotta do irl stuff too
might use rest of weekend to get some of the 50's i have to 60
toxic pewter
What race is ur dk
sick sentinel
mecha
cinder storm
Has there ever been an instance where Blizz later added a spec?
urban portal
dont think so
cinder storm
A dragon knight (tank) seems such a miss opportunity
urban portal
yeah right
sure make a dragon healer
and every class has to have a dps
but dragon knight seems cool
cinder storm
Because fire heals
strong forum
Has there ever been an instance where Blizz later added a spec?
Nop
urban portal
dh is by definition cringe
hardy ridge
Has there ever been an instance where Blizz later added a spec?
Unless you count guardian
sick sentinel
is there a lore reason druids cant shapeshift dragon-type or they just too stupid or forbidden like dog/fox
dawn canyon
Sigil for poor
urban portal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870120820607971328/1002703893148471317/...
Could be, try simming it
lofty widget
No mainstat
sweet summit
real
sweet summit
sack has no main stat and it owns 
urban portal
It does not own for most of my chars
sweet summit
dawn canyon
I hate boomkins
sweet summit
yep
queen hemlock
Hi em
Attempting to tank for m+ 10 and up here
Is it optimal to stack shield block?
Lets say HoA first pack with the hunters
I charge in stomp intervene to healer charge back in and spam shield block
queen hemlock
Oh didnt know that
chrome falcon
The play you suggested is terrible! Unfortunately
Intervening the healer means you give the mobs a tasty back to hit
chrome falcon
And going charge-> intervene-> charges wastes not one, but TWO free revenges!
Also; if you just thunderclap then do all that shit
Say goodbye to your dps
Because you generated no threat
dawn canyon
Unless u pressed Avatar
chrome falcon
Just make sure you always have charge CD ticking (never sit at 2 stacks)
And intervene your melees
queen hemlock
Im told its inevitable to waste at least one revenge due to intervene charge
Or at least i dont reallt know what to do on that
chrome falcon
You’re going to heinously overcap and waste revenge procs if you use charge, intervene, charge that close together
I intervene on CD unless I have a revenge proc
In which case I try to revenge first
OBVIOUSLY getting SB uptime takes priority over that
queen hemlock
Maybe im making that as my mistake on why i always hav aggro issues
chrome falcon
Absolutely number 1 rule of the class is don’t take a melee without SB
Yes probably id you have aggro issues you are doing something very wrong
Threat is a joke atm
queen hemlock
Also em
chrome falcon
If you have shield block charges you don’t need to do anything as fancy as you suggested
And I would almost never intervene the healer
Do it on a melee
chilly brook
Is it optimal to stack shield block?
Here’s all you need to know about block
chrome falcon
So you don’t lose melee range
queen hemlock
Is bastion prot or mal prot the better stuff
chilly brook
Does the mob swing at you or shoot a gun/bow?
Then you want to block
How long you want block up for is going to depend on how long that mob lives
chrome falcon
^
chilly brook
Ideally you want it up as long as that mob lives
chrome falcon
Tanking a mob without SB? Bad
queen hemlock
Ah oke
chilly brook
Have SB up when nothing is hitting you? Also bad
Muh shield slam dam buff for outburst bruv
dawn canyon
TRUE KING
chrome falcon
True and real and based tbh
queen hemlock
Sorry dont even know what overburst is LUL
chrome falcon
Tier set…
chilly brook
Tierset
queen hemlock
Oh the
Stacks
Right
Im told they dont really matter its a use and forget thing
So i never really paid much attention to it
chrome falcon
You’re listening to very bad players 🙂
chilly brook
You don’t really pay much attention
queen hemlock
Some yt guide
chilly brook
Until it’s over 5 stacks
Then you need to pay attention
Spending your outburst on TC kinda poopy 70% of the time
sick sentinel
underburst
queen hemlock
Even on bigger pulls?
chilly brook
Yes
Even on the bigger pulls
You basically spend outburst on TC when you’re at 7 stacks or whatever and already have an outburst but shield slam is still on CD
Better to use it than lose it
Or sit there for 5 seconds
Doing nothing
Tldr you spend outburst on shield slam because it gives you giga rage
sick sentinel
kinda enjoying bdk rn, isn't as frantic
queen hemlock
Oh ok
queen hemlock
Then on the ignore pain part
Sometimes i hear dont bother sometimes i hear only on spell casters
Actually i dont cast revenge much
queen hemlock
Been dropping rage into IP
queen hemlock
Cant remember a mix of guides
chrome falcon
Why are you spamming IP if you have threat problems
queen hemlock
Alot
queen hemlock
And peopel complaing about prot warrior
chrome falcon
More revenges than any other spell in a key
chilly brook
Well that’s why they complain about prot warrior lmfao
They don’t even know how to play it
lofty widget
Well you came to the right place now... Dont need to watch Any more sketchy YouTube guides
chilly brook
This is why we get a bad rap lmfao
chilly brook
Well you came to the right place now... Dont need to watch Any more sketchy YouT...
Apparently I need to come out of retirement on YouTube and make a guide smh
queen hemlock
Yea i even complain my aggro is garbage so dont over dps when i start pull
mighty valley
every day i understand even more why people think prot warrior is bad
chilly brook
Yea i even complain my aggro is garbage so dont over dps when i start pull
My man I’m bursting like 40k during packs
Threat shouldn’t be an issue
chrome falcon
I’m not sure how you expect to hold threat if you never press your button that does damage and open the pack by intervening away from me
chilly brook
Revenj is your friend
chrome falcon
Seems like a pretty simple fix
queen hemlock
I started round very end of legion into bfa
That time TC was enough
Or im told enough
mighty valley
they nerfed the damage of TC a lot going into SL
chrome falcon
Yes and it got very heavily nerfed since then
chilly brook
It’s never enough
mighty valley
Revenge is our main AOE damage
queen hemlock
I actually started again only last month
chilly brook
Never enough
queen hemlock
Totally didnt expect that
mighty valley
Basically press your rage generators on CD (especially shield slam) and every other button press is revenge
chilly brook
Your job is to PUMP as much damage as possible AND stay alive
mighty valley
and press IP to make sure your rage bar doesn't max out
queen hemlock
I usually kinda press it when i see a casting bar i csnt kick
Or do i bother with more
chilly brook
That’s fine
chrome falcon
Yes that’s pretty much correct
mighty valley
Just whenever someone is casting at you, or during aoe magic damage for the damage reduction
lofty widget
Yes if you reflect the DR is gone
lofty widget
Yup
queen hemlock
Only today did i learn that the broker boss on DoS
One of her bombs can be reflected
Actually have a hard time tanking her
mighty valley
if you use it for her cast you don't need to bother standing on a bomb
queen hemlock
Until that and more
drifting fable
theres a spell reflect weakaura and also a list of everything you can reflect in the pins
drifting fable
spell reflect weakaura is nice. green bar when something you can reflect is targeting you
queen hemlock
I just take the bare minimum like for Streets trading and gambits console thing
Is it automatic?
drifting fable
yup
queen hemlock
Oh damn
drifting fable
well
queen hemlock
Ill go get one then
drifting fable
not the SR cast, but telling you when to cast it ye
vernal vale
Yea i even complain my aggro is garbage so dont over dps when i start pull
20 halls
Never had any threat issues
lofty widget
vernal vale
If it hadn't been bolstering I could have had more casts. But I had to run from from loyal beast raging dogs
drifting fable
yeah you should put revenge on a very spammable key
queen hemlock
I put it on 4 usually being my main damage button but
I usually die alot in hoa
Honestly i think i never cleared hoa as a tank
The first packs oh shards butcher me and i have no clue why
lofty widget
Basically whenever you have rage available yiu should be revenging (just keep 30 rage for SB until you get more comfortable)
drifting fable
theres a lot of nasty spell casters. and if you are mismanaging SB you will die
prot is pretty punishing in that regard
kind prairie
Is unstoppable force still "bad"?
drifting fable
yes
vernal vale
Is unstoppable force still "bad"?
Yes
lofty widget
The first packs oh shards butcher me and i have no clue why
Id suggest you log a run and post it in here we can give a lot better feedback that way
queen hemlock
Let me see
sweet summit
Isn't this a better sigil?
drifting fable
revenge revenge revenge to get rid of all that nasty rage
vernal vale
Let me see
Your Casts should look similar to mine at least.
queen hemlock
Does raider io give logs?
lofty widget
Probably slightly worse since you usually sigil in execute phase?
sweet summit
Does raider io give logs?
nop
drifting fable
thats fine, id make a new one anyways with the knowledge you just gained
a log where you dont hit revenge isnt going to help
sweet summit
Probably slightly worse since you usually sigil in execute phase?
you mean stun grenade sims worse than it is?
queen hemlock
Raider io shows i never finished HoA
sweet summit
we have warcraftlogs instead of fflogs, but you will need to manually upload logs (unless someone else in the same run is logging)
drifting fable
@queen hemlock
queen hemlock
Probably right
This ytd 12 key pull to right shard wipe twice dont know why people scream at me noob and probably got blocked LUL
vernal vale
Raider io shows i never finished HoA
Log any dungeon cast information/ rage will tell us a lot
hollow zodiac
quick question: I assume it depends on dungeons/affixes, but what would be an expected decent % uptime of conqueror's banner in m+ ?
queen hemlock
Will do next time
lofty widget
quick question: I assume it depends on dungeons/affixes, but what would be an ex...
+80% is a good start
In Any dungeon
vernal vale
quick question: I assume it depends on dungeons/affixes, but what would be an ex...
I'm bad and only get like 70٪
vernal vale
Spires is typically lower because angels force you to drop they fly so slow