i cant wait to navigate the gauntlet in workshop again with pugs
#protection
cursive bridge
sick sentinel
i skipped wod as well but i think i kno2 what an irom docks is
zealous willow
the arcway is bis
hoary bough
i remember the last boss of upper kara being a bit of a yikers boss
zealous willow
kara will be fun
hoary bough
kara will have lots of magic dmg i think, so this IP buff will be nice
sick sentinel
anything is a pug deleter in this game
zealous willow
idk if i have nerves to do m+ first month of s4
strong forum
?
That's the best time
Only shitters are playing and nobody knows wtf is going on
zealous willow
its if u have premade , im going with randoms 😄
hoary bough
everyone is going to be shit at it, so there's no expectation on you to be good
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
same, i dont feel confident... at al..... about this season mythic +
drifting juniper
i need a way to increase my crit
hoary bough
now imagine it with me going into 15s with 0pc LET'S GOOOO
sick sentinel
im willing to try, but yeah man....
drifting juniper
so with 35% flat haste should ijust use my soleah trinket on crit
strong forum
We going premade of no clue frogs
I'm gonna playing with a few guide writers so we all do kinda know what's going on
No novelty for me
zealous willow
last time i died from laught was when we went tazavesh no1 looked at guides or any info. We had 132 ilvl rogue fr and we all were like 225 ilvl it was fucking hell of fun and wipes 😄
dawn canyon
No novelty for me
Pull shit you dont remember the spells of
hoary bough
i remember doing tazavesh when it hit with a hpala, a demo lock, and i was prot pala -- we didn't see a single mechanic on any boss LMAO
sick sentinel
I'm gonna playing with a few guide writers so we all do kinda know what's going ...
thats my lfd mechagnome expeirence so far, he lvl 41 or 42 now
hoary bough
mail boss was bugged, we didn't notice, we double ashen hero'd it dead in like 30s
zealous willow
bro
sick sentinel
that group or pepega
zealous willow
mechangon traps idk if i can stand this ppl doing traps 5 min and then just leaving
dawn canyon
hoary bough
we wiped on soleah because it was the only boss you couldn't just ashen your way through on pull 
sick sentinel
junkyard keys are going to be pepelaugh
zealous willow
whole s4 is big meme
sick sentinel
harder than work by long shot imo
zealous willow
tyra mechagon is cancer
cursive bridge
more specifically tyrannical junkyard lmao
gray nest
whats the magnitude of the IP change for prot warrior? is it going to significantly improve lifestyle?
hoary bough
i cannot wait to have "but we're still throwing them out with the trash! TRASH TRASH TRASH!" in my brain again for a year
zealous willow
i think taza vesh is easy , but mechagon and kara are next level
sick sentinel
im getting lvl 50 or 60 today on dk
only ppay waerior drive me nuts
have to level other snit
i l9ve my charge, ut gpd damn do i ever need to reroll
zealous willow
whats the magnitude of the IP change for prot warrior? is it going to significan...
u spam IP 24/7 it will absord more dmg than beffore , so its good buff to have
cursive bridge
high fort keys that last curved ramp up to the last boss in workshop... ugh
sick sentinel
lots of noob traps that kill the dps early and take those buffs away
cursive bridge
not gonna miss pug halls keys either... pugs and their never interrupting shit
sick sentinel
biker boss trash anyone?
zealous willow
i will miss the azshara dungeon idk why i rly like the wide open space and bosses
sick sentinel
does a grenade or some shit that deltes dps
cursive bridge
thats not that bad, just the telegraphing of that one frontal cone is terrible
hoary bough
considering how goddamn AWFUL tazavesh m+ was on release, i'm feeling kinda yikers for mechagon/karazhan in week 1
zealous willow
did u heard that we might get underground zone in DF ?
hoary bough
praying i get a tazavesh key to start me off
zealous willow
s4 is meme , i think they will rly nerf all dungeons on 1st day
sick sentinel
halls is agreatidea but poor execution
hoary bough
hope so, i want to zugzug and get 4pc with 288 dungeon gear instead of being forced to catalyse my 278s atm
dawn canyon
hope so, i want to zugzug and get 4pc with 288 dungeon gear instead of being for...
You would be omega fucked doing S4 keys no set
Id get it now
And go flux cage
sick sentinel
also... its inspiring quaking week next week too lmao
psure weeks reset
unless they announced it
cursive bridge
they didnt reset anything else
sick sentinel
basically free if your group can make non overlapping circles of quaking
hoary bough
You would be omega fucked doing S4 keys no set
i've been able to do +18s with 0pc this season, so got some big copium that i'll be fine for 15s next season
cursive bridge
what says they put any actual work into this season
sick sentinel
i think its gunna be clown show too
dawn canyon
i've been able to do +18s with 0pc this season, so got some big copium that i'll...
In dungeons i dont know id wanna be as strong as possible going into em
cursive bridge
its basically just +26 ilvl loot and some raids that will probably be broken on day one
hoary bough
In dungeons i dont know id wanna be as strong as possible going into em
fair, i need to hold flux for my mage as well, since i'm running 2 chars, so unless i found a magic flux tree, i'm kinda screwed, i can get an easy 12k next week from vault spam tho
cursive bridge
do more keys, flux flows from every orifice
zealous willow
flux is super fast to farm
u do weekly with 2-3 chars and u have tons of flux
in zm
hoary bough
weekly with 3 chars is 1.2k flux
cursive bridge
400
cursive bridge
ok so 600
zealous willow
its like 1k per char
hoary bough
my flux plan is to do +2s on all my crappy max level alts
zealous willow
i hate torghast more than zm flux farm
cursive bridge
~100 flux per key, just do more keys lol
zealous willow
says the guy with 1.2k dungeons
hoary bough
just takes a while, i'm all about that efficiency, might do lfr bosses to get the extra vault slots on my alts
cursive bridge
raid gives like 1500ish per week too i guess
hoary bough
presumably, if i kill 2 bosses in lfr on my rat alts, that'll add another 12k to the mix
zealous willow
wtf u gonna do with flux
cursive bridge
i wonder if they are going to fix the 278 conduit thing to give all covenant conduits instead of just the one you are on
kinda crap when you swap around for alt specs
hoary bough
wtf u gonna do with flux
288 4pc sets for my war + mage with enough to then cover max any drops from mythic, i guess the latter one is less relevant tho since i'd get flux from clearing the raid in the process
i think it's good to have 5k flux per char going into s4 for upgrading m+ gear
i actually need to craft my unity up from the 265 belt too
cursive bridge
5400 flux only for 4 pieces
so one week of your plan is enough for 2 chars of that
well i guess depends on the pieces
5700 if you do 3 expensive ones
zealous willow
im going into s4 with green shield
cursive bridge
im going into s4 with green shield
just means an upgrade is that much easier
hoary bough
how big is 4pc? in order to get 4pc i'd have to upgrade a 233 ZM chestpiece (grim), my worst piece, since my helmet is crafted, or just farm a fresh piece
think i could do s4 15s with just 2pc?
zealous willow
ur set is
making u
tanky more dps
10% dmg red from avatar is big if ur low gear
cursive bridge
avatar turns into a defensive cd so its really good
strong forum
4pc is significant dmg and surv increase
cursive bridge
and the rage gen from the outburst
hoary bough
kk, i'll farm a helmet/chest and prep 4pc for next week
because knowing me, i'll have saved up all this to get 288 for tier, and i just won't get ANY drops for ages
zealous willow
i had a problems doing m15 with 245 and 4pieces , but it was ok i u focus rly big on surviving
strong forum
Avatar outbursts make up like 30% of all outbursts
cursive bridge
you can use up your thousands of sandworn relics too lol
free 246 gear that you can convert starting next week they are finally acct bound
zealous willow
its a bit late right ?
cursive bridge
very late
hoary bough
the assumption that i've done ZM 
zealous willow
i needed this before 2 months
median tulip
I sent like 1100+ to my Hunter, from my 3 top geared 60s
cursive bridge
literally every currency in the game should be account bound
no more of this buying a thing to transfer to another char crap
zealous willow
if u have valor u can send a chest that gives random mythinh dungeon loot too
i geared my alt like this
median tulip
I wish my valor was account bound; I have fucking thousands of valor unused on Warrior and Shaman
zealous willow
my alt dk had all items from m0 dungeons including scale 236 😄
with 500 valor chests
cursive bridge
lucky
zealous willow
istant m15
cursive bridge
my bdk has done 3 entire seasons and not gotten one scale lol
zealous willow
im not shure how to start s4 warr or dk
dk is easy and clear , warr im not good enuf , but it will be fun i guess ?
hoary bough
gonna try and bait some tier pieces from the raid before i hard commit to flux spending
cursive bridge
next week lfr drops what 262 i think?
cursive bridge
lfr castle nathria which means you would need to convert it anyhow
normal warren
Does War really have to play Devastator? I really don’t enjoy the play style but if it’s that much stronger then I can probably learn to deal with it
zealous willow
any of u discovered a good way to gear alts in the start ?
hoary bough
where do we craft unity now with it being a stat loss going into s4?
median tulip
Does War *really* have to play Devastator? I really don’t enjoy the play style b...
It is the best option
zealous willow
Does War *really* have to play Devastator? I really don’t enjoy the play style b...
bro u cant manage to spam enuf , if u have devastate idk 😄
cursive bridge
any of u discovered a good way to gear alts in the start ?
do... more... keys?
hoary bough
you get guildies to boost your rats, that's what i do
normal warren
Could just be that I’m trash at war from not playing it enough lately lol, I’ll give it another shot
cursive bridge
so many other buttons to spam, its really the only choice
zealous willow
its literaly the god tier tallent , without it warr would be trash bottom
ashen sigil
Stupid question, but - is Prot Warrior a good class for a newbie to learn tanking? I never played a tank in m+, I want to play one in S4.
median tulip
any of u discovered a good way to gear alts in the start ?
Run your own keys, put "Bonus Valor" in the description, invite people higher ilvl than you that use the same armour/weapon/trinket type as your do
hoary bough
where are people crafting unity with s4 tho? bracers? can't go cloak for the wall, i guess, and mechagon rings make those less appealing
zealous willow
Stupid question, but - is Prot Warrior a good class for a newbie to learn tankin...
Depends from ur skill in game bro
cursive bridge
yeah thats what i did on a fresh 60 alt i was messing around on, bough 226 gear from the anima vendor and then ran my own bonus valor keys at 2 lol
median tulip
Stupid question, but - is Prot Warrior a good class for a newbie to learn tankin...
The honest answer is that Protection Warrior is probably the tank with the highest (most difficult) skill floor, but if you can do it it's incredibly rewarding
ashen sigil
Well, my skill on tanks is very low, my skill on dps is decent
zealous willow
warrior is hardest tank atm
ashen sigil
The honest answer is that Protection Warrior is probably the tank with the highe...
Got it. Which tank has a lowest skill floor in your opinion?
cursive bridge
bear
median tulip
Bear
hoary bough
dk is a good middle ground
cursive bridge
its so boring yeah
hoary bough
huge reward for lowish effort
median tulip
It's braindead boring AF, nearly as simplistic as VDH
zealous willow
dk have some fun rotation , good dps and u will love the death strike healing u istantly to 100% health
ashen sigil
DKs are very slow, I don't want to be so immobile
cursive bridge
pally is pretty middle ground too, playing a dk properly is probably 2nd most difficult right now imo
zealous willow
if u want to fly go dh
i got bored from dh very fast
dk saved the season 3 for me
ashen sigil
Got it, ty
median tulip
Got it. Which tank has a lowest skill floor in your opinion?
Honestly though, if you want to tank as Warrior, Tank as Warrior. Your interest in the class will make it more rewarding than playing a class you have no actual interest in playing. Just bear (lol) in mind that Warrior is a very fast paced spec.
normal warren
Paladin is pretty fun if you’re looking to run like, 15-20’s max. Huge damage potential and great group spot healing, but you’re gonna get flattened in higher keys with big pulls
hoary bough
only thing that sucks about dk is that healers get used to not healing the tank and get mad when they suddenly party with a tank that needs some healing
ashen sigil
Honestly though, if you want to tank as Warrior, Tank as Warrior. Your interest ...
Interesting, thanks
cursive bridge
yeah but if hes learning its sturdy in lower levels and forgiving for threat
normal warren
Yeah exactly lol
zealous willow
paladin is not so easy
cursive bridge
learn routes and tank practices then switch to a good tank
zealous willow
paladin is squishy af and u might get one shot rly easy
for new tank player i suggest DK
if ur rly bad go druid u wont die at least
median tulip
The best thing about Warrior is when the healer says "I thought Prot Warrior was bad" at the end of a key
hoary bough
The best thing about Warrior is when the healer says "I thought Prot Warrior was...
yessss
cursive bridge
DK is probably the best pug tank if you play it right, but if you play it wrong it will be a bad time
normal warren
LOL that’s true Zet
hoary bough
i mean most prot warriors are incredibly bad from my experience
zealous willow
in this state , u cant go prot warr with 0 tanking skill and general wow skill
hoary bough
usually venthyr or kyrian, running the wall, getting absolutely JOLTED on every pull
median tulip
i mean most prot warriors are incredibly bad from my experience
Most players are bad, regardless of class, spec or role. it's just that with Tanks you notice it more.
hoary bough
Most players are bad, regardless of class, spec or role. it's just that with Tan...
ye, and then doubly so on warrior
cursive bridge
my biggest irk lately is healers doing no damage in like 18s
median tulip
Protection Warrior is unforgiving of bad play
zealous willow
most of prot warrios dont even cap their IP and they cant keep their SB 100% uptime
median tulip
Whereas Bear is very forgiving
hoary bough
like you can tell the diff between a bad dk and a good dk, but it's not quite the same as when you get a bad warrior and the healer is screaming throughout the entire dungeon
wooden radish
paladin is squishy af and u might get one shot rly easy
????
do you know what you're talking about bro
zealous willow
they are the most squishy tanks , they just got 5% block buff
cursive bridge
Protection Warrior is *unforgiving* of bad play
thats any tank really though, when i heal i rage tf out when i see a tank die with like 3 cds up and available
wooden radish
it was an unneeded buff
mortal brook
-Speculating is fun but try to back-up claims when possible.
cursive bridge
they are by far not the most squishy tank
wooden radish
have yo played demon hunter
zealous willow
if u play good they are not ? But we talk here for NEW PLAYER right ?
cursive bridge
heal a dh once and get back to me
zealous willow
i think u missunderstand my words clearly
median tulip
thats any tank really though, when i heal i rage tf out when i see a tank die wi...
I mean, I have 2 Alts with heal specs at 270+, and I can usually tell if the tank is bad news within the first pull
wooden radish
i think u missunderstand my words clearly
no you said and i quote "paladin is squishy af and u might get one shot rly easy"
can you link a log of a paladin getting one shot
in a real situation
cursive bridge
yeah in whatever key i do i always do a test pull on the first pull, like what can the tank/healer/dps handle in this one lol
zealous willow
the guy asked for a class to learn tanking and i told him he might get one shot if as pala if he is not paying attention
wooden radish
which is nonsense
zealous willow
lol rly ?
mortal brook
like, watching a nextflix episode of not paying attention?
cursive bridge
you'll get one shot on a dk far more easy than any tank with a shield
wooden radish
@ionic fern control your channel please. the dums are invading
cursive bridge
lmao
median tulip
From a healer perspective, VDH is the worst to deal with, because they have an awful habit of bounding off 9 miles over the horizon. and wondering why they don't get heals. Yesterday I had one do that leapy bullshit while having 50 stacks of Necrotic
At least a DK you know for sure they can't outrun the healer
cursive bridge
"that leapy bullshit" oh the season 1 feels hit hard
wooden radish
this is what happens
slim zinc
DH is one of the biggest skill delta tanks, probably second after warrior
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> control your channel please. the dums are invading
We are also having discussions about if prot is stacking STM stuff now cause IP cap scales off of max hp.
slim zinc
If you are good at DH it's hella comf, if you're not you're sniffing the grass on the ground
wooden radish
We are also having discussions about if prot is stacking STM stuff now cause IP ...
??????????????????????????????????????????????? memehold indeed
zealous willow
by ur logic every player must be 4k rio , cus no1 does mistake and there is no bad players or new players in the game nice logic bro 🙂
fallow crag
What
mortal brook
wouldnt you just stack leech instead :leech:
zealous willow
u just got butther cus i said bad abt ur class ?
mortal brook
actually, does IP interact with leech?
cursive bridge
he got really mad about that one trinket that shall not be named
mortal brook
you dont need 4k io to have sotr coverage and press a cooldown every minute or so
wooden radish
actually, does IP interact with leech?
@ionic fern
zealous willow
oh no a guy said my paladin is geting one shot , cus not played properly lets spam discord chanel now
fallow crag
Dude who is this guy talking to
mortal brook
hi protection good to see you all ❤️
median tulip
It's a Paladin thing. They have to defend their hnour, even if they're wrong
jagged pier
hi protection good to see you all ❤️
wooden radish
@strong forum 👋
cursive bridge
lmaooooooo
wooden radish
@jagged pier
fallow crag
hi protection good to see you all ❤️
sick sentinel
#prot is on fire today
minor helm
sick sentinel
fallow crag
zealous willow
@wooden radish I'm sry if i said something wrong , but sometimes ppl have diff opinions
jagged pier
sick sentinel
strong forum
@wooden radish
strong forum
#prot is on fire today <:keks:936231610850897992>
The fotming is upon us
minor helm
chrome falcon
If prot becomes fotm popular in s4 I’m going to lose it
cursive bridge
in defense i've lurked for a long ass time, i just needed to talk to the spreadsheet nerds recently lol
median tulip
The fotming is upon us
This is why we have to keep telling people; It just ain't that big a buff
chrome falcon
Because we’re not going to be much stronger than we were in s3
cursive bridge
still F tier
sick sentinel
mortal brook
@strong forum 
mortal brook
@sick sentinel 
strong forum
@mortal brook 
hoary bough
pwar 🙏
strong forum
sick sentinel
@mortal brook 
minor helm
No sir
fallow crag
mortal brook
gratz on your buffs btw
- Bears, 4 keys behind
jagged pier
🖕
median tulip
just play the spec you enjoy the most
Enjoying WoW?! SMH
cursive bridge
just play the spec you enjoy the most
been warrior since season 1, who remembers NF fury ripping threat and being dead .6 seconds into every pull?
mortal brook
that was a feature, not a bug
median tulip
been warrior since season 1, who remembers NF fury ripping threat and being dead...
I remember setting my NF Fury friend as focus to intervene on them constantly
median tulip
They'd rip threat from me if they went balls out on the pull. But TBH that's a self-correcting issue. Death is a good way of telling DPS to chill the fuck out
hoary bough
i love it when the 277 fury war joins the group with my 260 no tier tank and proceeds to spear on pull every single pack, die, then rinse repeat, as if he's expecting some kind of different result, except the once every 4 mins i can aoe taunt immediately
sweet summit
literally me
median tulip
i love it when the 277 fury war joins the group with my 260 no tier tank and pro...
Side note: I wish Anger Management reduced the cooldown of Challenging Shout
hoary bough
but i'm also convinced fury wars just lack any kind of brainpower, our raid fury wars are exactly the same with mechanics
minor helm
I’ll do it right now
cursive bridge
yeah even if you waiting, if the stars aligned you would still rip at least a couple mobs off the tank in S1, why i swapped to prot lol
mortal brook
i love it when the 277 fury war joins the group with my 260 no tier tank and pro...
im here for a good time, not a long time
mortal brook
Tank??
cursive bridge
korayn crit + avatar proc on signet + nf ability = dead fury war lol
minor helm
Love throwing a couple ❓❓❓ in chat
sick sentinel
nf fury?
sweet summit
"1 heal?"
hoary bough
this is why arms warriors are BIS
die by the sword makes it easier for tank, less tanking to do
cursive bridge
lmao
mortal brook
i bring my cotank to the key and then before last boss i get to go '?? DH? you are tank?' but im been a bear the whole time
i hope nomerator does that with his 5 tank team
alpine shard
i love it when the 277 fury war joins the group with my 260 no tier tank and pro...
im a fury warrior not a mage, intellect isnt my strong point
minor helm
hoary bough
embrace the zug
cursive bridge
i mean a spec based purely around being enraged... its built in to be the first to die
hoary bough
sophistication levels go: prot>arms>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fury
mortal brook
so furious and fast?
wooden radish
<@222898004598849536> I'm sry if i said something wrong , but sometimes ppl have...
You’re entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts 😉
minor helm
sophistication levels go: prot>arms>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...
The raid stats beg to differ
Arms always dead 
hoary bough
sophistication is not a metric that can be so easily tracked
a sophisticated corpse is still sophisticated
median tulip
this is why arms warriors are BIS
I play Arms; this week, Arms is fucking magical. "Oh, Spiteful Shades? How nice." pushes button that makes me immune
cursive bridge
lmao
sick sentinel
the 260 ilvl no tier prot warrior inviting warriors seems unsophisticated
fallow crag
Dying as arms, questionable
mortal brook
but statistically likely!
hoary bough
the 260 ilvl no tier prot warrior inviting warriors seems unsophisticated
how else am i gonna leech gear for my rat tank?
median tulip
for Arms, Spiteful shades are free DPS padding
hoary bough
you don't make m+ groups and make sure to invite high ilevel people of the same class/armor set so you can maximise your loot gains? 😛
ret paladins? LMAO
the one spec to outfury fury
cursive bridge
truth
hoary bough
with its own aoe taunt
hoary bough
+4 LF sv hunter, destro lock, ww monk, paladins need not apply
minor helm
cursive bridge
any combination of locks and surv hunters until next week lmao
minor helm
You just take destro locks now right
hoary bough
i enjoy joining keys on my wlock and getting the "????" when they notice i'm affli
fallow crag
4 destro locks 1 pwar
cursive bridge
they still wont be bad, they will just be brought down a notch
sick sentinel
they still wont be bad, they will just be brought down a notch
wat
cursive bridge
locks and surv hunters
sick sentinel
locks are going to be dead
cursive bridge
nah
median tulip
Poor Surv. They got One season of being the oppressive Meta spec. Now they're done for another 10 years.
sick sentinel
their only big damage is in infernal now
cursive bridge
they still have demo which is a shorter cd window and better st and untouched
that uses literally the same gear
hoary bough
and affli 
cursive bridge
shush
hoary bough
with its tier set that gives nothing for aoe rip
cursive bridge
you and the other 3 aff locks can go hang out with feral druids
hoary bough
ferals be pumpin tho
topaz field
sv is still gonna be meta
even if wls nerf is about 30 % they are still top dps couz they are 30-40 % above any other class in terms of dmg
topaz field
i mean thats what sjele says
chrome falcon
True and real
topaz field
he knows wl quite well
chrome falcon
But yeah sv still good warlock hurt pretty bad
topaz field
which was necessary
sick sentinel
yes but do you realise why they're good?
they can perma do damage
every single pull
they can not do that anymore
minor helm
yes but do you realise why they're good?
Cause details says so
cursive bridge
destro lock is hurt, theu just need to change specs to the slightly more difficult spec
or swap to surv i guess 😛
novel agate
Any idea what three dinar items we are gonna look to pick up?
topaz field
btw @sick sentinel impale i have seen sjele simulating the no tier set he had 30 % uptime on infernal
cursive bridge
OWS is gonna be my first probably unless i get super lucky on week one
drifting fable
Any idea what three dinar items we are gonna look to pick up?
ows/rdm, weapon/shield
dawn canyon
Sjele ie sjele
topaz field
well
dawn canyon
99,9% of locks are not sjele
minor helm
Sjele ie sjele
Inb4 dumpster tweet
topaz field
thats not supposed to happen
so obviously the majority of wls is really bad
but that is true for each and every class
minor helm
topaz field
dont tell me most surv hunters u see are good xD
hard vessel
Imagine not being able to play destru 1 button rotation
topaz field
i find that hard to believe
dawn canyon
Quality doesnt have to do with balance
At max potential both classes are unfairly broken
topaz field
yup
dawn canyon
SV for sure remains in that state
Locks damage is there but the damage Profile is fucked
cursive bridge
aegis going to be decent in season 4 at all or not really?
cursive bridge
so offense RDM/defense aegis + OWS probably
hoary bough
how shit is my lil pocket protoforge?
topaz field
its a bad version of rdm id say
strong forum
Protoforge is only 1ppm
Aegis is gonna be insanely broken
But pwar is also gonna be so strong that you might not even play aegis
And just default to matrix +ows
chrome falcon
oh baby
minor helm
SFA any good for just doin dam?
strong forum
Ya will be good for parsing
minor helm
chrome falcon
What’s SFA
hoary bough
hypeee
is there any downside to putting unity on wrists? wondering if there's something i've missed
chrome falcon
Well
minor helm
Think consensus is waist wrist
chrome falcon
In s3 it would have been a terrible slot
minor helm
If you can pull that off
chrome falcon
In s4 it’s probably fine
hoary bough
ye i'm thinking because of s4
hoary bough
wrist offers the least amount of stats, and cloak is shared with the wall
chrome falcon
So yeah wrists is fine
sick sentinel
time for more dk ig
median tulip
Think consensus is waist wrist
Wrist cloak is probably better, once you can socket your belt yourself
dusky mica
if you assume you are going to be max geared, you want leggos on the shittest slots (for stat allocation) since their ilevel is going to be less than the rest of your gear.
sweet summit
waist has pretty high stat budget compared to cloak/wrists
median tulip
Basically Wrist > Cloak > Waist > Feet > Hands=Shoulders > Head/Chest/Legs
hoary bough
ye, 291 is gonna be hc ilevel next season, no?
chrome falcon
Yep
median tulip
You don't want to use Rings if you can possibly avoid it, because of the Mechagon rings.
hoary bough
smh, wristguards are 19k, thought they'd be cheaper
spark scroll
whats the general consensus on prot vs other tanks in S4 season start? im trying to pick between pwar bdk and dh for the fresh start -- but cant remember enough of the old dungeons to decide what would be most fun reasonable
iirc, theres a lot of melee hits in the older ones where pwar will be dank
sweet summit
prot good
jagged pier
pick what ever u enjoy the most
spark scroll
im fairly impartial as they are all fun lol
median tulip
They really should have put in a rank up. I'm a bit pissed off they haven't, after I invested gold in skilling them up over the course of the expansion I deserve a payoff
dusky mica
All the old shit is trivial in terms of damage intake. Most of the killer stuff is magic so the DK is probably still better if your healer doesn't like healing
hoary bough
on behalf of all people not selling legendary bases, i can safely say nobody wants to spend a mill on buying new bases for all their leggos and alts
spark scroll
arent most bases around 10k on populated servs rn?
spark scroll
All the old shit is trivial in terms of damage intake. Most of the killer stuff ...
ahh so more or less similar where your friends who miss interrupts is what kills u 🙂
median tulip
The current ones are. But selling the next rank to people with more money than sense on patch day was great money
dusky mica
dont recraft anything for alts in s4, WoW is a clown show
spark scroll
im sure youll see a spike on patch day
hoary bough
my unity is still the 265 belt, so not a recraft, thank fuck
spark scroll
if not now...
median tulip
I can literally make every Legendary blank for Plate, Mail and JC, plus cloaks
regal yarrow
What does that prot change even mean exactly? That ignore pain is 71% of damage taken instead of 55? that it's 85% now? Or that the shield is just 30% bigger?
sweet summit
it is clearly explained in the pin
median tulip
What does that prot change even mean exactly? That ignore pain is 71% of damage ...
The shield is 30% bigger, and the cap is also bigger (exactly how much bigger depends, but roughly 50%)
regal yarrow
That sounds insignificant
median tulip
It's a good change, but it is not a huge change
We will overcap IP less in full-on Rage spam mode
crystal mauve
I’m not sure due to the wording if it’s either 71.5 or 85. 85 seems a bit too big, with enough rage we would be basically running a 85%DR… the cap is mostly quality of like or to survive massive tank buster without other defensive. Not sure about the number exactly. If anyone has the correct answer that would be great
median tulip
Which means it'll do next to nothing on trivial content where your IP remains capped anyway, and something on high-end content where your IP gets eaten a lot
sweet summit
the damage reduction is still 55%
median tulip
I’m not sure due to the wording if it’s either 71.5 or 85. 85 seems a bit too bi...
The change does not affect DR% at all
mortal brook
okay so pwar is meta tank season 4 then, is what im hearing
sweet summit
hate bear man 
crystal mauve
Ohhhhh, well then nothing really changes then
strong forum
It literally does
mortal brook
obv not bear, literally 4 keys behind this season
strong forum
IP is literally 30% bigger
crystal mauve
okay so pwar is meta tank season 4 then, is what im hearing
Dk is probably still better
mellow bridge
it's a good buff
mortal brook
gratz on all the non-bear buffs tho
mellow bridge
for content where it actually matters
hard vessel
We are f tier stop telling else
strong forum
The cast-per-cast basis of IP is 30% larger, aswell as the maximum cap of IP is also 30% larger
mellow bridge
but in the end prot warr m+ strength will be dictated by how well you can keep banner up in the new dungeons
crystal mauve
The cast-per-cast basis of IP is 30% larger, aswell as the maximum cap of IP is ...
Thanks for the clear answer 👍
strong forum
1 thing that's still uncertain however is if AP and Vers affect cap of IP or not
crystal mauve
but in the end prot warr m+ strength will be dictated by how well you can keep b...
I’m going full lazy mode this week and play Kyrian with Kleia for the phial immune 🫠
hard vessel
So the new dungeon affix gives haste or vers. Is it worth to go haste if you already get to already like 40% next patch?
strong forum
Haste
strong forum
It's multiplicative
lofty widget
so its not taxed
hard vessel
Wait what
crystal mauve
1 thing that's still uncertain however is if AP and Vers affect cap of IP or not
It could as it was in the formula by default, so unless they ch aged it it should still be there
hard vessel
It's not 40 to 60 with 20 %?
strong forum
So if you have 30% haste baseline, and get 40% haste from the affix, you'll end up with like 90% haste instead
median tulip
Wait what
Only Haste rating causes DR. The Affix will give Haste percent, which does not
strong forum
%haste is a multiplier
mellow bridge
It's not 40 to 60 with 20 %?
nope
hard vessel
Bruh
strong forum
Not a flat addition and doesn't get affected by stat DR
hard vessel
Pin this pls
strong forum
Stat DR is only for stat ratings
hard vessel
This sounds even more fun to play than before
strong forum
Not for %gains
median tulip
TBQH it's more or less (for us) like a constantly stacking Vy buff
distant crystal
median tulip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997147939887644702/1002509433861066842/sh...
lol
bold nimbus
minor helm
mortal brook
hell yeah get them portals
mortal brook
yeah just have your trusty pwar cotank intervene, it lasts long enough for necro to wipe
hard vessel
So what's the shield block CD we get with these giga haste numbers? Anybody ideas?
Less reprisal spam maybe?
strong forum
With 100% haste it's 8sec
strong forum
^
lofty widget
you should be reprisaling for rage regardless
strong forum
^
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
You'll still use alot of reprisal, you're just less reliant on it
But you still rely on it
jagged pier
still should use it for rage and the tier set / AM synergy
regal yarrow
imagine not running seismic reverberation + merciless bonegrinder as prot
strong forum
:nodders:
zealous willow
even if u can replace reprisal there is ano good lege ?
jagged pier
its also dogshit to play
mellow bridge
even if u can replace reprisal there is ano good lege ?
wall would be pretty good if you had 100% SB uptime without reprisal
but you dont
stable valve
still should use it for rage and the tier set / AM synergy
But I wanna run seismic reverb 😦
mortal brook
:bearnodders:
urban portal
I’m Assuming Necro seismic can potentially choke you out of banner
jagged pier
:bearnodders:
strong forum
That is an actual dps loss
Seismic necro can keep up Banner for very long, but you need to use TC on CD
And play fuckloads around seismic
It's very stressful to keep up babner
stable valve
Mbg wouldn’t even “proc” with seismic right?
strong forum
From what I've seen it only gives you 1 extra tick
Not 3 extra ticks
The combination of the 2 doesn't mesh well
strong forum
That would be very painful to play
Having to cancel bladestorm
Having to play around seismic banner and mbg
zealous willow
I want df prot warr to have legion ignore pain and some decent stuff synergy for dps
zealous willow
signet sounds cool with that avatar cd red , but is it rly doing something ?
regal yarrow
We need neltharion's fury back.
zealous willow
We need neltharion's fury back.
neltharion's fury is datamined
jagged pier
We need neltharion's fury back.
strong forum
Is it?
strong forum
I didn't see anything about nelth fury
stable valve
Signet doesn't work with Ravager
That would be nutty if for prot it replaced bladestorm w/ ravager
zealous willow
i think it was speculation my bad , cus odyns fury is back ppl hope they will give prot the same
regal yarrow
You gotta remember they aren't even back. They're just datamined abilities we might see on our talent tree
strong forum
That would be nutty if for prot it replaced bladestorm w/ ravager
Ye
We:ve been complaining about it since alpha
But to no avail
zealous willow
i missed gladiator stance ppl cry abt it so much it was that good ?
median tulip
I wouldn't mind something like Neltharion's Fury (and ofc it would make sense to have the Dragon themed power return in the Dragon-themed expansion), but please for the love of every God, not channelled
mortal brook
was good for 2 months
stable valve
Dragonflight capstone 🙏🏼
Actual good signet
strong forum
i missed gladiator stance ppl cry abt it so much it was that good ?
It was fun, but not particularly good in pve
regal yarrow
I had no problem with it being channeled. Massive pull + critical block chance being 100%, and reflecting damage with critical block was really fun
strong forum
In pvp it was dumb as hell cuz you had 4 charges and were as tanky as a tank, but dealt dps dmg
strong forum
I had no problem with it being channeled. Massive pull + critical block chance b...
But you didn't reflect dmg with crit blocks
regal yarrow
It wasn't straight up reflecting it, but it dealt damage back to the attacker
median tulip
I outright expect that there will (broadly speaking) be a choice between a "maximum defense" Raid tanking build, and an M+ build with better damage
regal yarrow
We won't be able to take better damage for M+ we struggle to survive lol
zealous willow
I outright expect that there will (broadly speaking) be a choice between a "maxi...
It's a time for them to make this separation. M+ players needs love
median tulip
Let's assume that all of the tuning will change the relative power of the tanks, yeah
zealous willow
Blizard confr that raids will be easier compared to SL too
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
We won't be able to take better damage for M+ we struggle to survive lol
🤔
What's the context
lucid robin
Is the IP change on the PTR yet?
regal yarrow
You guys aren't having to constantly choose between dealing damage, or kiting to survive?
strong forum
Not at all
jagged pier
nope
i solo'd the last boss in an SD 20 for 7 mins and finished the fight last week cause the healer died then the rest of the group slowly died
👍
median tulip
Kiting is for VDH
lucid robin
I'm pretty new to prot, but when I've tanked it's basically "I'm fine, i'm fine, magic killed me". XD
regal yarrow
Bosses are np though. My issue is with the big trash pulls.
strong forum
M+ is very faceted
dawn canyon
Name one u struggle with
sick sentinel
am sticking to the mecha DK today so far
strong forum
Big pulls being struggles are very much an issue with every class if your dps don't do shit
urban portal
i solo'd the last boss in an SD 20 for 7 mins and finished the fight last week ...
Are statues too powerful 2 years into the dungeon
lucid robin
Like, no need to kite really, the stuff that kills me will still kill me at range. 😄
strong forum
That's a coordination issue
jagged pier
Are statues too powerful 2 years into the dungeon
is it that hard to get the correct dungeon after 2 years?
strong forum
While it is true that in a bad group a pwar will perform bad
urban portal
Yeah it is
strong forum
It's not true that warrior is weak
median tulip
I'm pretty new to prot, but when I've tanked it's basically "I'm fine, i'm fine,...
Your DPS need to kick more
jagged pier
and no but the healer has just come back to the game
urban portal
Ic
hoary bough
i'm hoping the buff will help when i pug with 3 dps who are allergic to kicks
lucid robin
I actually think they feel really good. Damage feels good to me too.
They have issues, sure, but they have definite strenghs and they're fun.
sick sentinel
While it is true that in a bad group a pwar will perform bad
a bad driver will crash a bad car on bad icy roads, holy shit, what a revelation.
lucid robin
But I also have a fully geared DK and BM, so if you ask my raid what they'd rather me play....it won't be warrior. XD
stable valve
Idk if bad driver is what nom was saying
hoary bough
Like, no need to kite really, the stuff that kills me will still kill me at ran...
this is also something i've realised, i jump out because i'm being shredded by wicked bolts to...... still get shredded by wicked bolts?
dawn canyon
But I also have a fully geared DK and BM, so if you ask my raid what they'd rat...
Try warrior in raid with ashen juggernaut
strong forum
a bad driver will crash a bad car on bad icy roads, holy shit, what a revelation...
Even a good driver will crash a good car on bad icy roads*
dawn canyon
Very funny
strong forum
Pwar suffers from bad groups alot more than bdk
sick sentinel
Idk if bad driver is what nom was saying
its the argument i go back to often, because it makes most sense to me, you are the driver trying to keep the vehicle on the road and not flipped over and moving towards destiation, maybe stop at mcdonalds if youre really lucky
strong forum
But in a good group pwar will show its strengths
lucid robin
this is also something i've realised, i jump out because i'm being shredded by w...
Yeah. i think cooldown usage on Warrior is far more critical than on other tanks. I think thats why people say "Oh pwar is weak/sucks", because it requires having a deeper understanding of the actual GAME and environment than a lot of other tanks.
hoary bough
what will the new wicked bolt be? 🤔
minor helm
Is that a pasta?
hoary bough
a lot of people will think pwar is weak/sucks because a lot of pwars are weak/suck, myself included (but 4-set soon )
dawn canyon
Everything is pasta once im done with it
strong forum
Pwar is just incredibly punishing
And will suffer from others mistakes, aswell as your own
Alot more
lucid robin
Like on my blood dk and brewmaster, i just worry about my abilities. if I don't remember which mob does what, honestly, it rarely matters.
lucid robin
Yep, that's the point i was making. PWar don't just have to know their glass, they have to have game knowledge as well, whereas other tanks tend to be more forgiving.
strong forum
100%
hoary bough
on my DK i hit heart strike and if i might die, i hit death strike
lucid robin
hahah, pretty much.
hoary bough
on my pwar i try and hit every button on my bar in 3 seconds
lucid robin
BM is super forgiving.
strong forum
And Brm is the whole reason why boss encounter design is so hard to do
Cuz they just have a powerful mitigation tool active at all timws
Go and Design encounters around that without fucking up another tank in the process
hoary bough
not sure what you can do except write tank busters or the like as doing one thing for brms and another thing for every other tank
which would be a bit absurd
dawn canyon
Go and Design encounters around that without fucking up another tank in the proc...
So what counters brew in encounters 
chrome falcon
Bosses that melee so hard they 1 shot you without shuffle
Except that doesn’t work either
strong forum
So what counters brew in encounters <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Magic dmg
They only stagger stagger magic dmg by 35%
median tulip
"only"
strong forum
Brew staggers like 60% phys if not more
Brew needs stagger to purify the dmg
If they don't purify the dmg, they take full amounts of dmg
If they can't get high stagger from magic, they can't purify alot off of it
It's just with their new tierset, they increase their HP by ungodly amounts, and have practically lay on hands every time they kegsmash
So they got alot of get out of jail free cards
zealous willow
yeah they hit the spot with that tier set bonus
strong forum
Yeah the snooze button
median tulip
I haven't played my Monk since season 1
sick sentinel
monk is always kinda strange for me
at least dk simple enough, you just hit things
ocean yoke
ive been playing brew on an alt, its hilariously faceroll rn with that tier set
Keg Smash the spec
median tulip
IDK, when I played Monk I just pressed buttons
urban portal
Monk you are playing 85% optimal just following rotation
Your offenses are separated by defenses
Shuffle is up 100% of the time
urban portal
And Brm is the whole reason why boss encounter design is so hard to do
Still find it funny that brew needs to stone skin on pull in the first jailer variation
median tulip
When the thing lights up Red that's when you need to hit the button that makes it not be red,
median tulip
I've never successfully levelled DK. I always bounce by level 30. Fucking awful class to level
sick sentinel
static aspen
I've never successfully levelled DK. I always bounce by level 30. Fucking awful ...
Im actually curious, cuz i rly legit keep dying in leveling dungeons on dk and idk why
ocean yoke
lot of leveling tanks suck ass since youre missing like half your kit
static aspen
Maybe healers who level around ,30 arent rlt sharp
zealous willow
u must learn to save
rune power for deathstrikes
in low lvl
cus u wont be able to generate fast
static aspen
And i also want to kms as rune regen is so bad, it forces me not to heartstrike. Idk if its just leveling curse
median tulip
DK regularly gives me heart attacks when I play my healers
static aspen
Thats why i wana go warrior, cuz buttons are fun and spells popup all the time. Doesnt feel so on dk idk
zealous willow
dk is rly close to warrior
its my opinion i mean u have to keep rune dancing weapon like banner and stuff
u have to calculate ur runes and etc its still fun
static aspen
Calculating runes???? ✝️
static aspen
Yeah, but i shouldn't compare rune regen on leveling to endgame rite? Cuz its slow as fuck.
median tulip
"Slow" is the keyword when dealing with DK
sly nest
SUp fellas. Do you think it is worth it to buy cloak for unity ? As ilvl goes up and leg don't change, maybe leg slot will change
sly nest
For sure
patent osprey
leggos probably go on rings and ammy kinda stuff
strong forum
Rings are for mechagon
Neck is kara neck
zealous willow
well amulets and rings give so much secondary stats
leges will go gloves,back,bracers
strong forum
So cloak/wrist are the best options for unity
Unless they decide to axe kara neck
Then neck will be the best option
Unless you can procure a 298+ with socket
Then it'll maybe change to cloak/wrist again
hoary bough
hrm, is there a race list for prot war? i'm probs gonna race change mine soon, curious to see what's the best on alliance
i'd imagine still nelf for m+ due to shadowmeld, right?
sly nest
Alrright thank you guys much appreciated
drifting fable
races dont matter that much
zealous willow
dwarf is alpha now
sly nest
a lot play dwarf yeah
drifting fable
but dwarf does have the op m+ racial
patent osprey
Dwarf alleviates alot of prot war weakness
strong forum
Dorf, and if they nerf Dorf, it's still Dorf
zealous willow
2% crit dmg , 10% dmg red and cleanse is not bad 🙂
strong forum
Cuz it's the best aesthetic
patent osprey
then every other race is preference
drifting fable
play whatever looks coolest 
hoary bough
huh
strong forum
Aesthetics > rest obv
patent osprey
patent osprey
dks used to foe the movement
urban portal
What about DID
hoary bough
was thinking nelf/velf, but dwarf is definitely a factor if it gives me more tankiness 🤔 are there any dmg sims?
drifting fable
yea you can sim race
urban portal
2% crit dmg , 10% dmg red and cleanse is not bad 🙂
FYI the dr is like 6 hps
Over the course of a dung
The crit damage is like 47 dps
zealous willow
yeah , but dwarf is cool too
hazy edge
then every other race is preference
I swapped to dwarf and instantly missed having a 40 yd pull 
urban portal
thats why I play DID
zealous willow
if i was not lazy to level up i would play dwarf too
drifting fable
takes like less than a day to hit 50 with the buff
hoary bough
human was s3 meta for me, can racial when i inevitably stand in uhr swirly
strong forum
Female yes, male no
hoary bough
you don't like triangle elves???
vernal vale
Nelf quickness used to be so good.
hoary bough
rolls shoulder in disgust
hoary bough
maybe velf since i transmog a lot 🤔
vernal vale
When quickness used to be just 2% chance you didn't take damage that was amazing.
I guess Dodge is kinda that v
zealous willow
the hit was for spells t oo
in wotlk u can feel it
u caped and u miss ur blind ? 😄
urban portal
yeah being able to dice roll a wicked bolt seems crazy
patent osprey
I swapped to dwarf and instantly missed having a 40 yd pull <:sadge:820202363359...
yes it's the main things I miss + bag space
hazy edge
I had to change how I did like 4 routes because of it
hoary bough
now i need to look at all the racials again 🤔
patent osprey
I've started to trust my friends to pull for me when I ask... it's been working out
but it pug routes I trust Noone haha
hoary bough
what do you 40 yard pull with? which race is that? LFD?
hazy edge
It's also a semi-decent self heal
hoary bough
🤔 if i go velf i could use spatial rift for better reprisal use
cursive bridge
panda warrior or bust
stable valve
Kul tiran warrior for the aesthetic
cinder storm
Ztroll gigachad
cursive bridge
ive been thinking about switching just for a changeup but idk
blocksomdi the ztroll warrior lol
cinder storm
My man
late wasp
Being one of the first warriors to finish T3 drove people crazy back in Vanilla because I did it as a gnome. That was fun
prisma crane
Ztroll gigachad
ztroll's aren't without their weaknesses, they have those stupid male nelf hips, but boy it's fun to be taller than literally everyone else
hoary bough
i want to be nightborne, even though it gives zero benefit, but alas, my guild is alliance
cinder storm
Now that you mention it, I always found something weird with the models lower half
cursive bridge
was thinking about going undead just because you dont see many anymore
prisma crane
undead are always pretty cool
cursive bridge
100% jawless undead
prisma crane
Now that you mention it, I always found something weird with the models lower ha...
it's awful, it's like someone just pinched their hips like clay, pretty sure my goblin shaman has stronger hips
and the toes....
cursive bridge
yeah mogs that dont incorporate boots weird me out
cinder storm
Unless you are into that 
prisma crane
yea, and boots, imo, look best when they aren't just metal uggs
dawn canyon
100% jawless undead
Slobber
cursive bridge
ermehgerd
prisma crane
haha yea i love the face with the tongue just hanging down
strong forum
I had to change how I did like 4 routes because of it
Imagine doing routes
Instead of accidentally ninja pulling 3 patrols?
And time the key anyway?
raw ether
Naowh calling fir BDk/PWar meta, this mean it's time to fully break out my warrior over my brewmaster :D
cursive bridge
haha yea i love the face with the tongue just hanging down
let the season 4 slobbering commence
sweet summit
Naowh calling fir BDk/PWar meta, this mean it's time to fully break out my warri...
you should play the tank you enjoy the most
raw ether
you should play the tank you enjoy the most
I should clarify. I play and Maintain all 6 tanking specs, have for years
sweet summit
okay?
jagged pier
I should clarify. I play and Maintain all 6 tanking specs, have for years
I should clarify, still play what u enjoy most
sweet summit
then i am confused about the question
grave crane
ok but Naowh said pwarr is meta so i must pwar
jagged pier
ok but Naowh said pwarr is meta so i must pwar
grave crane
should we see what dratnos thinks?
grave crane
damn resident sleeper it is then
jagged pier
thats what i heard anyway, i havent looked, i havent bothered after the S3 stuff
no point giving him clicks
grave crane
ill go ask him if codex is good for pwar
jagged pier
dratnos is a tank main tho
grave crane
do they really?
strong forum
Since neither doorki nor anyone else on their podcast actually plays pwar
Yes when it comes to pwar they look at subcreation
Cuz they have no idea about it
grave crane
damn lol thats even worse then
strong forum
Well atleast they preface it that they don't actually know
tame jasper
they dont even talk with pika or on of the other US warriors
strong forum
It's a golden guardian kinda thing
jagged pier
Well atleast they preface it that they don't actually know
yer but ppl dont seem to read that and take it at face value
👍
unreal sinew
i hit 60 very recently and just got the stuff needed to make Reprisal
should I put it on feet so that I can possibly use the Legs for the tier set?
urban portal
feet
strong forum
Feet
inland wasp
we have an idea yet of what weapons or trinks we are going to be looking at getting with our tokens in S4? i know a BiS list is still likely being looked into and worked on for finalization just wondering if we as a community had an idea
strong forum
Shield - lod
unreal sinew
awesome ty
urban portal
honestly for shield, just pick any
urban portal
its just minor secondaries
strong forum
Sylv shield is crit vers
jagged pier
skolex also has haste
urban portal
shield gives like piss low secondaries anyways
urban portal
do we know if vig guardian block value got buffed by 20%
jagged pier
u cant bbuy it at 311 anyway
urban portal
or is it the only poopy on use
lofty widget
only the on use
urban portal
cronge
jagged pier
u can only buy stuff at normal
strong forum
Ya but you can upgrade it to 311 with only 20 mythic kills
inland wasp
i didnt think Shields were going to be on the tokens, if thats the case thats huge
strong forum
So if you buy a shield and actually do get mythic kills, make it a 311 one
primal mauve
They get their ideas from subcreation sooo
is subcreation bad?
sudden smelt
do you guys remember why pwar was so strong in the first weeks of emerald nightmare? im trying to remember... it was IP?
lofty widget
is subcreation bad?
it's just based off numbers
dawn canyon
Sub creation tells you bad stuff
urban portal
subcreation tells you whats the most often
not whats the best
its more accurate for dps
strong forum
is subcreation bad?
It's not that subcreation is bad perse, it's that it doesn't tell you the full story. And the story is, that alot of pwars run whatever looks good. And alot of people still think that codex is useful
jagged pier
do you guys remember why pwar was so strong in the first weeks of emerald nightm...
dragon scales from artifact wep and the fact that insirping presence stacked
strong forum
So it'll show a high % of players using codex despite it being literally trash
strong forum
Ows is 100%first dinar
jagged pier
well hopefully aegis should be easy to get
jagged pier
so u shouldnt need to buy it
sick sentinel
Pwar re-rollers
lofty widget
its only 2 weeks between your first and last dinar so not too bad
jagged pier
right again u dont need to get it on mythic
u can get it on any difficulty
then just upgrade it
inland wasp
i wasnt looking at Aegis just cause of how early the boss is and should see it, was thinking OWS, then 1h, then? if shield is on there probably go that over a 1H
urban portal
yeah i dont see a reason to buy any shield
lofty widget
what else would you buy
strong forum
Shields are on there
urban portal
unless you really dont have a max ilvl capable shield after week 6-7
jagged pier
because its the single most useless item in terms of suvivability
urban portal
since heroic lords easy to down
strong forum
You'll buy ows, shield/matrix, aegis in that order
urban portal
heroic sylv less so
jagged pier
the block from a 311 shield is gunna be huge
cursive bridge
skolex is less ilvl though