Isn't HPS like a copium metric, though? 🤔
#protection
cinder nova
urban portal
your EHR is still going to be lower
cinder nova
Grimrail is gonna swing between the most fun in the rotation to the worst fucking slog depending on affixes
urban portal
because you are healing yourself more
and IP is "true healing" because you are not stealing the heals from your healer
and your healer cant steal that heal from you
cinder nova
I suppose, but on paper this doesn't seem as big as you're making it. Like I said, maybe I'm just a fucking pessimistic smoothbrain cunt.
onyx vessel
Tyran maybe spicy
cinder nova
I'll have to feel it in the new season.
onyx vessel
Probably barely noticeable
urban portal
i definitely think its less than 30%
i dont disagree with you on that
but its definitely not 0
onyx vessel
New dungeons will be exciting for the 1st week
cinder nova
Yeah, like, I'll take any buff. If they gave us +1% DR I wouldn't turn it down.
onyx vessel
Getting to those dungeons 
cinder nova
But it's not really changing anything.
urban portal
its like a 10% dr buff
onyx vessel
I have kara ring teleport mechagon oof
urban portal
but im not exactly the most well versed on tank theorycrafting
and all the good TCers are in bedge
onyx vessel
Probably half your group or more didnt do the entry quest for mechagon so that's 
urban portal
what does that mean
you actually have to do the whole mechagon stuff just to get there
?
urban portal
whats the entry quest for then
onyx vessel
Takes a while if i remember
cinder nova
Okay, so, break down the math for me how it's 10% DR? I had like ~61% uptime on my best Sang key.
For IP.
drifting fable
theres portals in oribos to those zones
cinder nova
You seem pretty sure about this and I'm trying to see it.
onyx vessel
Just thinking out loud
urban portal
ish
im not sure
but its definitely not 0
but its not a 30% buff like some are suggesting
im having some discussion with some other TCers to figure it out
its only a 30% buff to your IP HPS if your IP is being constantly drained
which may be true only in high keys
urban portal
^
onyx vessel
When your healer tells you to stop pulling
You post healing done
Last week i pulled all the slimes infront of 1st boss on bursing
20 stacks of bursting
Everyone died but me
onyx vessel
Most 2head comment i had from a healer
Was him complaining about my explosive dmg
The hpally
Actual special case
Healers job not mine
open gazelle
I stg IP used to be based off health pool in legion or something? When did it change to attack power bullshit? I remember popping last stand and getting bigger ignore pains
onyx vessel
Legion was the insane ignore pains
Now it is a shadow of its former self
For obvious reasons
open gazelle
% needs buffed too imo
urban portal
they are just functions of the same thing
na
buff the cap
the % could be a bit higher
cinder nova
Bro
Mythic Taesch
Just crit blocking the second whack
Barely moving HP
felt so huge
Made my shield so god damn hard
onyx vessel
Someone had a picture of crit blocking 119m or something in legion
cinder nova
Yeah, that's the 2nd swing from Taesch
onyx vessel
100% mastery build was dumb
cinder nova
The amount of fun I derived from the fantasy of that actual man-moding of the mechanic made me feel like I needed dick veins on my shield mog
Because it was so cashmunny
onyx vessel
Me and my friends were wondering how kara will work if we will get weapon drops in kara
Legion had no weapon drops
open gazelle
Unfortunately I played mostly arms in legion but the ravager+battlecry +blade storm on m+ trash felt sooooo good
open gazelle
Legion BIS expac
open gazelle
Yeah I was there for AM UF Bolster synergy I loved it
onyx vessel
But legion is strong
cinder nova
Hard pass that's lame
open gazelle
But I’m glad it went away
cinder nova
Mitigation % is really not the issue, it's the size.
onyx vessel
Right now its fine at 50%
cinder nova
55%.
onyx vessel
Shields too small
open gazelle
In DF I’m saying
cinder nova
Ah.
open gazelle
It needs to be 75%
onyx vessel
Shields too small and right now our rage gen is insane so it would be even more wasted
open gazelle
Avatar should be DR along with increased damage
onyx vessel
We dont
urban portal
the shield itself is big, its kind of hard to eat it
onyx vessel
We need a better legendary
onyx vessel
Reprisal sucks ass but is so strong
open gazelle
I’m saying without tier
urban portal
but yeah
urban portal
its pretty cringe that only prot has an purely offensive cd
onyx vessel
We arent losing tier in s4
urban portal
though i also find it cringe that vdh cd is 90% defensive
onyx vessel
Vdh bear have a press button become unkillable
cinder nova
its pretty cringe that only prot has an purely offensive cd
Avenging Wrath?
onyx vessel
We got nothing
onyx vessel
Avatar is 30% raw dmg increase
urban portal
20, 30 with tier
urban portal
but tier also gives dr
but yeah ava being purly offensive outside of the rage it gives you
is weird
onyx vessel
And it gives a ignore pain
urban portal
without borrowed power
lime plaza
How big of a change is this new IP?
cinder nova
Not very, but it's a buff..? Sorta?
forest meadow
Vdh bear have a press button become unkillable
Pretty sure VDH have been complaining about getting melee'd to death during meta this season.
urban portal
its definitely at least couple hundred HPS
and yeah VDH can die during meta for sure
but thats only very high fort
onyx vessel
Pretty sure VDH have been complaining about getting melee'd to death during meta...
Git gud then
forest meadow
And nizhao is "defensive", but it's used offensively, and you basically try to take more damage during it, so it's like the opposite of defensive basically
urban portal
And nizhao is "defensive", but it's used offensively, and you basically try to t...
well its literally a 25% dr
vs melees
theres literally nothign you can do about that
you can play as bad as you want to take more damage
but 25% of the dam is still sucked in by niuzao
forest meadow
True. It comes out to more like 22%
, but yeah true.
sand pebble
Codex bis for s4 for increased stam for bigger ip?
slim zinc
Well it would make your ips smaller, just raise the cap by a tiny bit
static aspen
Why press ip when you can dps. If you die its always healers fault
jagged pier
Codex bis for s4 for increased stam for bigger ip?
graceful kite
Why press ip when you can dps. If you die its always healers fault
to keep banner up to dps more
sand pebble
Nf also for increased hp stacks!
woven laurel
so is the 30% absorption buff added to the 55% reduced dmg taken or the total damage reduced value?
tough inlet
total damage reduced value, if i read the pinned message right
woven laurel
ok cool thanks
topaz field
am i reading it wrong or doesnt the ip change tell how much the cap is?
ionic fern
30 percent max hp
topaz field
decent
thank you
with the affix of season 4 and ppl running haste 90 % (thats what i assume at least) is there even a point in going for ows?
or will i play matrix/aegis for higher keys?
jagged pier
u can get all 3
topaz field
is there nothing else we aim for?
i was more looking at the vendor tbh
stone legion might also be decent
chilly brook
stone legion might also be decent
no
vers, especially that small amount is poop compared to OWS
topaz field
but what does the affix do? infinite haste right?
jagged pier
the vendor only sells trinkets and weps u have far more chances to get wep and shield u can upgrade than trinkets
topaz field
i think ows is int
tough inlet
OWS is str
chilly brook
OWS is literally the most over stat budget item in the world
jagged pier
again i dont know how many times we have to say it
there is no cap
on haste
u want as much as possible
chilly brook
you use OWS
and if you really want to go crazy with stats
that means you're opened to stacking other stats much easier
simply because OWS is so much haste
topaz field
ye will have to see whether aegis is necessary to live the highest keys or if i get away with matrix ows
thank you guys
chilly brook
I mean no point in buying aegis either tbh
jagged pier
and its probably gunna be bis in S1 of DF
chilly brook
it's such an easy boss to kill
jagged pier
chilly brook
<:yep:703420923625078804>
they'll nerf it no contest
jagged pier
if they were gunna nerf it they would have done it now
tough inlet
Anyone knows if the questline for the tokens is separated, so you get one at a time or if we get those 3 tokens at once at the end?
ionic fern
One at a time afaik
tough inlet
thanks
topaz field
3 at a time xD imagine blizzard not holding back loot
tough inlet
3 at a time would have been after 6 weeks 😉
stuck lava
on highest keys u will most likely need double on use anyways, sigil + aegis perhaps, as necro sigil is very strong
jagged pier
sigil is aweful for keys
jagged pier
yes it is
stuck lava
well ur wrong sir
jagged pier
im not
stuck lava
guess we are done here then
topaz field
sigil is not awful when you are coordinated but its for sure not the best trinket on a tank
stuck lava
if u get hit by a SD Sentinel Bleed on Fort 27 or 28 and dont have SW or Sigil or Aegis/Scale rdy u ded son
topaz field
no problem
u communicate
with your heal
and its super doable
not that hard on prot tbh
2nd i parry
ez pz
i dont see where sigil has any good use for that
you must be trolling
based on your argumentation u can only pull sentinel every 5 minutes then
which makes a horrible route
stuck lava
they are usually that far away, and if you think its NP u havent done very high keys i guess. But yeah im trolling
uncut notch
i just stand still and press my buttons
;_;
stuck lava
so ur talking about it beeing np on prot, while not playing prot on high keys
topaz field
if only i wouldnt have to play reprisal i would enjoy prot a lot
stuck lava
what are we talking about then
topaz field
ah bro dont get me wrong
spiral crypt
like 10 ppl timed fort 27 or higher on prot in the world xD
stuck lava
like 10 ppl timed fort 27 or higher on prot in the world xD
im one of them, and i tell you its horrbile
topaz field
with better management by me
one troll is running sigil hes the same not running ashen juggernaut get me out
strong forum
So... 15% DR on 5min CD is good in keys?
brazen lion
i need sigil now to be good soz
strong forum
If you had made any argument for the offensive power of sigil, sure then yes its good if you can absolutely plan around it
sand pebble
Sigil is good in execute phase so you get 15% dr and 30% damage with the additional dr allowing for less rahe soent on mitigation - does that work?
strong forum
But trying to invent a niche scenario where you don't have any CDs and then say that the 15% DR on a 5min CD is good...
Is a bit far fetched
sand pebble
Also - i better stop shit posting things before i get boited
stuck lava
my point is that double on use is almost required, because shildwall + 1 onuse is usually not enough, and sigil is a very powerful def CD on necrolord. its not a niche scenario sad to say
strong forum
Double on use is almost required yet no skilled tank plays it besides vdh
And there are people debating not even using 1 on use cuz you can barely find use in it
🤔
But go off
jagged pier
if your saving sigil for a bleed from a sentiel why not just use demo its more dr and a shorter cd?
topaz field
hes not allowed to bring up any offensive argument
couz hes not running ashen juggernaut
complete troll
stuck lava
i was running Show the Force this week because of necrotic and kiting, in fort AJ is at least less good
sand pebble
Wait - aj in sd?
jagged pier
aj always
strong forum
Sof is not super terrible for threat, but since the Execute buff, AJ, especially in high keys is nuts
This week is kinda w/e
stuck lava
puhh, i guess there is really no point arguing with you, you are all experts running the 30 keys
strong forum
So I wouldn't judge anything
stuck lava
alot of the time you cant use execute in trashpacks because u need every ip
stuck lava
i mean Nomes running 25s with no healers
that depends greatly on ur dps and coordination, especially this week ofc, healer cant do much anyways
topaz field
healer is key this week
jagged pier
man just pushs with tanks
strong forum
I've not had a healer in months
topaz field
thats why you can run 27s
strong forum
topaz field
couz u have a good healer
who tracks your stacks
and has an idea how bad necrotic is for tanks
strong forum
I always forget necrotic is a thing
Until I have 45 stacks
Then I press Dorf and I'm fine again
Like lmao
stuck lava
its crazy to me that you talk and advice people about high keys, while ignoring and laughing about someone who did them. with alot of trial and error. Im no expert for sure, but for example while AJ is alot better dps wise, ur own dps usually doesnt matter much, u just have to live. and 25 keys you can probably run without any def trinkets at all, or without healer for that matter
but it gets alot harder
topaz field
nobody was advising you in any way
you were making the statement that sigil is necessary
to live for high keys which is completly wrong
stuck lava
no i didnt i said that double on use is, and sigil is a viable one
jagged pier
well going by subcreation which does take into account ppl running keys literally no one is using sigil
topaz field
ye exactly
jagged pier
they are using aegis, scale, soleash, phial and codex(which is wrong)
topaz field
i dont see a reason at all to ever play sigil on tank
jagged pier
but ppl dont want to listen to advice thats fine you do you
but sigil is bad in keys it just is
topaz field
sigil is made for dps classes and huge pulls
and to come up with your juice
your tank dps
with sigil is completely irrelevant
if a ww is oing 200k
silk pine
Well I agree that Sigil makes u way tankier and with a 3 min cd it would be probably good but 5min is way to long
topaz field
sigil on tank rlly only is viable for st dmg
jagged pier
in keys its just not good unless u gunna do an uber pull and wanna boost dps
its a 15% DR on a 5 min cd
silk pine
sigil on tank rlly only is viable for st dmg
Nah 20sec u are way tankier is also good
jagged pier
u get 5 demos in in that time which is more DR in itself alone
topaz field
Nah 20sec u are way tankier is also good
yes but compare it to aegis/bss
its crap because its so inconsistent
and high keys is all about consistency
stuck lava
usually every dungeon has 2-3 very hard pulls for you, for one reason or another. and i tell you sigil is great for them. ofc u you can use whatever you want. but it is a very viable option
jagged pier
but scale and aegis will deal with those pulls and are better for those pulls and the rest of the dungeon as u can use them more often
even soleash or ows is better
because over a key youll get more mitigation through the haste they give u
than like the total minuteish u get of sigil buff through a key
silk pine
yes but compare it to aegis/bss
Yeah thats true, but there always more aspects of trinkets. Matrix is Defensive ok and Dps very good for example. Aegis is Defensive very good and dps weak
cobalt seal
yes but compare it to aegis/bss
sdont compare to BSS
stuck lava
but scale and aegis will deal with those pulls and are better for those pulls an...
thats my point, u dont need to use them more often, you need it for very specific pulls, in which you most likely will need both to live
jagged pier
i mean also this whole conversation has talked like tanks are on their own in dungeons when u can use other ppls cds to deal with things, like healer externals havent been mentioned at all which you 100% should be using
cobalt seal
BSS is shit
silk pine
BSS is shit
This aint truue
cobalt seal
it is
jagged pier
i mean it is
cobalt seal
imagine a shield every 2m
jagged pier
i would still say it does more than sigil tho because u can use it more
cobalt seal
how bad could it be lol
silk pine
how bad could it be lol
Which makes u incrediable tanky
cobalt seal
cobalt seal
aegis has 30 lower cd but cant help when u are low on health
?????????????
jagged pier
aegis has 30 lower cd but cant help when u are low on health
what?
it literally is an immune to damage
of course it can help u at low hp
topaz field
it even ignores necrotic
cobalt seal
after codex. BSS is the most overrated trinket of SL
jagged pier
codex :residentsleeper:
cobalt seal
for tanks*
stuck lava
BSS is better in Tyr weeks if you want/need to mitigate bigger hits
silk pine
of course it can help u at low hp
U are not immune to damage that aint true. u reduce damage hardcore, but when u have a oh shit moment it does not save u when u have 10%health.
stuck lava
bosstankhits
jagged pier
no your not using scale in raid?
silk pine
no your not using scale in raid?
Ok I am using it in M+
raid is more like a dance u learn
ionic fern
You guys ok or...?
jagged pier
U are not immune to damage that aint true. u reduce damage hardcore, but when u ...
if yu play prot correct aegis makes it so u take pretty much 0 damage so yes it is an immune, and also there should be no oh shit moment as prot
ionic fern
Some really wild takes this morning.
brittle owl
its friday my dudes!
jagged pier
you should be using your defensives proactively
cobalt seal
if yu play prot correct aegis makes it so u take pretty much 0 damage so yes it ...
if you need scale to save you
you already fucked up
(as pwar)
jagged pier
well yer if u have an oh shit moment u are playing wrong
brittle owl
accounting for oh shit moments and having a save can be relevant when going into uknown territory 
silk pine
So in high keys where Naowh or Pika dies they plays wrong?
brittle owl
can't just blanket statement like that
also
can't just namedrop and expect it to validate your argument
silk pine
Sure I can
jagged pier
well from what i save as plka he ither gets one shot or dies over a long period of time which
the one shot he played incorrectly or his party did
no inturpts not giving cds etc
the long death is fine and what i'd expect to see
🤷
brittle owl
also like
silk pine
Ok but its human to do mistakes otherwise people would probably time 35 keys
brittle owl
don't be a coward
cobalt seal
static aspen
brittle owl
if you're so inclined to school everyone here on the ways of plka
cobalt seal
So in high keys where Naowh or Pika dies they plays wrong?
naowh is playing a parry roulette
jagged pier
he *is* here after all
well hes probably 😴 by now
jagged pier
yer
brittle owl
pfffd
jagged pier
and yer i was getting to nowah bdk literally parrys or dies
thats how the class works at high keys
lament shell
Sup, how much max hp % is ignore pain now?
sand pebble
thats just bdk things
brittle owl
parry roulette is fun
jagged pier
that rng and has nothing to do with an argument about prot
brittle owl
hella fun
ionic fern
Sup, how much max hp % is ignore pain now?
lament shell
Fuck im on phone i thought there arent any ty
cobalt seal
Scale is only "good" to people, because how shit S1 trinkets were
ionic fern
30%.
cobalt seal
if we had decent S1 tank trinkets
grave crane
Swipe left and you Get pins on mobile
cobalt seal
Scale would have been in sideways all expansion
grave crane
Also what’s the rage here? Scale bad?
sand pebble
pins dont say how much of a % of max hp ip is now though just thats its a 30% buff to absorbtion size
cobalt seal
it's true
silk pine
Diffrent opinons
ionic fern
pins dont say how much of a % of max hp ip is now though just thats its a 30% bu...
"nd a ~30% effective buff to its cap unless youve been running a vers and mastery heavy setup.
"
Please
grave crane
I mean it’s alright but not really necessary for us. Maybe for other Tanks with less defensive?
ionic fern
Also, stop slapping on random crap.
sand pebble
but what % of max hp = that -30%?
ionic fern
30%
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silk pine
but what % of max hp = that -30%?
13k of 10k shield instead
zealous willow
We dont know yet ? Maybe the bew dungeons slap harder with magic dmg and we need it ???
cobalt seal
We dont know yet ? Maybe the bew dungeons slap harder with magic dmg and we need...
LOL
silk pine
We dont know yet ? Maybe the bew dungeons slap harder with magic dmg and we need...
We know that aleady
topaz field
dungeons are always 80% ++ physical
cobalt seal
dungeons are always 80% ++ physical
topaz field
except for fucking streets that piss weapons
cobalt seal
and PF
topaz field
fucking purge it shamis
cobalt seal
And pug halls
tardy sequoia
will tier set items be upgradeable with the coins? for example from HC to mythic?
cobalt seal
topaz field
ye its a really good buff
ionic fern
What are you all even complaining about?
cobalt seal
zealous willow
Cus my dk heal himslef to full with 1 DS
naive laurel
so nothings changing then with leggo/necro cov choices with this buff?
zealous willow
Warrios beed some love too
silk pine
Cus my dk heal himslef to full with 1 DS
Diffrent playstyle
topaz field
its still 60 % with some missplays
topaz field
ye
cursive bridge
The notes are worded terribly and don’t actually say what the cap is.
topaz field
not stopping phlegs
cobalt seal
GL stopping all
strong forum
The notes are worded terribly and don’t actually say what the cap is.
30% max hp
topaz field
not reflecting slime injection
cobalt seal
or he has more stuff pulled
strong forum
You can't reflect every single one
Phlegm is w/e
That shit doesnt kill you, it's just a slow in a part where tanks don't take dmg
topaz field
oh the phlegm hits quite heavy in high fort
topaz field
actually its one of the few parts tanks die in high pf
patent radish
Necro is used for defensive or offensive? What’s more defensive kyrian or necro ??
topaz field
if u have them sinked
silk pine
Necro is used for defensive or offensive? What’s more defensive kyrian or necro ...
Necro by far
strong forum
Necro is more offensive and defensive
jagged pier
Necro is used for defensive or offensive? What’s more defensive kyrian or necro ...
necro is both
silk pine
Necro is more offensive and defensive
is necro also better in aoe
strong forum
Yes
patent radish
Copy thanks
cursive bridge
Was that 30% of max hp clarified somewhere?
cobalt seal
if u have them sinked
you need 3 syncs to die
topaz field
well its makes it dangerous u know if u are unlucky and get bolted the same time or w/e
topaz field
yes a red slime
cobalt seal
so people wont have a kick on bolts
sure
that most people cc
and ignore
til 1st boss
topaz field
obviously his teammates could not use their kicks or boss 2 wouldnt go through so i thinks it was a realistic scenario i described to u
static aspen
I really wana play dk, but im always so bad at edging
static aspen
Isn't warrior not that edging in hp spikes than dk?
topaz field
prot war is a lot harder to play than dk
forget about their dmg income profile
prot doesnt have a death strike
if u understand how your tank works im telling u dk is 10 times more forgiving
ionic fern
prot doesnt have a death strike
Sure we do.
Just play IV.
Are we now more forgiving in your head?
topaz field
did u read all 4 sentences of me?
and put them together in your head?
to have a conclusion what i was expressing
ionic fern
No, but then again it doesn't really look like that you're reading what you're typing.
So here we are.
topaz field
i wasnt talking to u in first place
ionic fern
I'm answering to your illogical takes. 🙂
topaz field
u wouldnt do that in public would u
sick sentinel
topaz field
i was telling the person that dk is so more forgiving than prot
if u played incorrectly the last few seconds
is that correct?
can we agree on that?
u should answer now or its going to be strange again later
sand pebble
bart how much % of max hp will count towards the new ip cap, will nf+codex be bis due to increased hp levels AND will it replace bdk as meta comp for m+?
lament shell
Dk and warrior both have different type of dealing with dmg they take
Or what are you talking about?
topaz field
seems u guys want to troll me
cobalt seal
bart how much % of max hp will count towards the new ip cap, will nf+codex be bi...
what
topaz field
dk has the most broken tier set out there
cobalt seal
pls tell you are trolling
topaz field
its a fucking no brainer to play dk
cobalt seal
is it?
topaz field
yes
cobalt seal
can you stop the shit takes
west walrus
BdK is broken, yes, but you really have to play it well
topaz field
my little sister can time 25s
cobalt seal
I guess she is better than you
cobalt seal
bart how much % of max hp will count towards the new ip cap, will nf+codex be bi...
you dont run codex
you dont run nf
Codex is shit
NF is shit compared to Necro
sand pebble
am i doing it right?
fringe folio
What is the point of discussion now? This seems to resort to a havoc channel level discussion :p
jagged pier
fringe folio
🍿
drifting socket
anyone got the link to the bluepost that says ignore pain is 30% of max HP?
topaz field
wowhead has it
lament shell
Iatest
cursive bridge
lament shell
Thats photoshop
sand pebble
cursive bridge
It’s not bad, I’ll take it
drifting socket
60-70% increase on ignore pain shielding for me at least
strong forum
Na it's 30%
drifting socket
also means stamina trinkets aren't terrible
strong forum
It does
strong forum
Getting 1% more HP doesn't make IP any better
ionic fern
You won't be stacking STM trinkets
Or STM pots
Or anything
Nothing changes
Literally nothing
Shield is bigger, ggwp.
silk pine
but Stamina flask
ionic fern
More value per IP, ggwp.
drifting socket
someone got triggered
ionic fern
someone got triggered
You got that correct. 🙂
cursive bridge
Yeah more stam just increases the cap which is eh
drifting socket
Yeah I wasn't trying to say we should stack stamina
cursive bridge
The per press increase is nice though
sand pebble
3%? yuge
cursive bridge
Sooo dragonflight warrior trees next week maybe hopium?
cursive bridge
Best for last, got it
west walrus
I bet we are last, along with monks, as usual
sand pebble
based on shadowlands monk feedback im suprised they will even get a tree before beta
cursive bridge
and monks will be incomplete until late nov
lament shell
Isnt monk dead if not fotm?
cursive bridge
Their 4pc made them popular
cobalt seal
I guess the fotm discord thing is true
today is a good example of that
so many good takes
topaz field
@cursive bridge brews 4 set made me stop playing brew couz its a resident sleeper
jagged pier
today is a good example of that
silk pine
Is somewhere a list how many iteams are good out of the new duongens?
cursive bridge
I hear codex will be good /sarcasm
cobalt seal
its like you guys want mwahi to timeout you
cursive bridge
They don’t even have what’s going to drop out of iron docks/grimrail listed yet do they? We’ll find out Tuesday I guess maybe if the servers are up in less that 12 hours
zealous willow
What is the cd of shield wall normaly when u do good rage spend and etc ?
strong forum
50sec to 1min
empty path
without wall ? I thought its around 1,2min 🤔
strong forum
That was in s2
lament shell
Andy said its around 45sec
lament shell
Thats pretty sick
lament shell
The only way to generate more rage is? More haste?
strong forum
Pressing alot of buttons
Not overcapping rage, prioritising gaining rage
Abusing the fuck out of reprisal
Using outbursts primarily on SS
Keeping up Banner 100%
strong forum
Literally anything else
hoary bough
is it efficient to do the intervene/charge method in m+? i always do it, but i lose a revenge proc from reprisal by doing them in quick succession
drifting socket
Break the meta and go thunderlord/demo shout build xD
hoary bough
i run OPC
ionic fern
Same
strong forum
Same
lament shell
I tried to go away from codex on my dh and dk
ionic fern
I think it's actually..."ok" for them?
lament shell
Codex is pretty nice
drifting socket
just to clarify with the patch notes, it's a 30% buff to the initial ignore pain shield and now the max cap is 30% of your max HP
lament shell
Veng dh hp spikes a lot
ionic fern
Solid save Jakey.
strong forum
just to clarify with the patch notes, it's a 30% buff to the initial ignore pain...
Yes
jagged pier
Solid save Jakey.
hoary bough
is it efficient to do the intervene/charge method in m+? i always do it, but i l...
on this, is that what you guys do with reprisal or do you like just try and get your charges and intervenes separate without chaining them together? not a huge fan of like the shockwave, run, charge, because i feel it loses uptime to running, whilst leap into charge and intervene into charge is super quick
ionic fern
I don't chain them.
strong forum
And the new IP cap is also ~30% larger than currently
ionic fern
I want my Revenge procs.
strong forum
If you intervene out-charge back in
You lose 50% of the intervened reprisal
2sec off of SB, and 1 revenge proc
The traveltime is what makes you lose too much for it to be good
You basically get 6sec of SB for the cost for 8sec of SB
hoary bough
ah, how do you get that 2nd charge then if your pack is tightly stacked? do you shockwave + run for a charge?
drifting socket
And the new IP cap is also ~30% larger than currently
what's your current ignore pain cap?
hoary bough
nice, i always wonder what to do when leap is on cd
ionic fern
nice, i always wonder what to do when leap is on cd
Take 2 steps out. Charge.
drifting socket
ah banner forgot bout that, mine was like 22k
lament shell
You also have more hp with more ilvl
hoary bough
ty both, gonna work on it !
peak forge
How good is the buff even?
cursive bridge
Anybody do math on the OWS nerf yet? Probably still up towards the top of what trinket to shoot for in season 4
strong forum
Instead of 10% haste it'll grant 9% haste at max stacks
drifting socket
reading the other channels
strong forum
So still wildly OP
drifting socket
it's still bis
strong forum
It's still 1.9x better than soleahs/elegy
Assuming max uptime
So yeah, get it asap
lament shell
Copium
cobalt seal
NEITHER does Codex help
lament shell
Bet i did more keys on my veng than u
ionic fern
Bet i did more keys on my veng than u
Bet i did more than you.
cobalt seal
Bet i did more keys on my veng than u
I wouldn't bet
cursive bridge
I was only 1200ish this season, rookie numbers
Started late too, needed some time off after 9.1
cobalt seal
I was only 1200ish this season, rookie numbers
1.2k keys?
cursive bridge
Yes
cobalt seal
jagged pier
😂
strong forum
That's more key than I did all of bfa combined
That's like 7 keys per day that you did this season
jagged pier
👀
cursive bridge
Yeah sounds about right, I have lots of alts
zealous willow
Thats a well spent subscribe time
blazing condor
Toxic 
coarse ginkgo
Toxic x2
zealous willow
I can say that i have 2k keys
ionic fern
Hah
I got 2.1k
Get rekt
Poser
Okay, sorry.
I don't actually know how many i got.
Like..60?
zealous willow
I'm the warrior with 2k keys that have 45% banner uptime 👺
coarse ginkgo
Weird flex but okay.
dawn canyon
I got 180ish
strong forum
I mean when some people here did like 1k+ keys this season
zealous willow
how u check it 😮
strong forum
This is not the flex you think it is
coarse ginkgo
Yeah I know
dawn canyon
how u check it 😮
Raider.io SL season 4 recap
coarse ginkgo
Hence weird.
cursive bridge
dawn canyon
If you did 1k keys you abused ur brain with +2s
viral arch
This is not the flex you think it is
look man, if you do something wrong 2000 times, surely the 2001th time it'll change
dawn canyon
Ok but Sara has to heal everyones keys
cursive bridge
304 from vault i think 288? maybe from end of dungeon chest?
cursive bridge
i grouped with an affliction lock yesterday... was really confused
zealous willow
You've run 122 dungeons across all your characters this season.
That's over 2 days 6h worth of Mythic+!
drifting juniper
311 max endboss raid ilvl
304 vault
298 max valour
292 max dungeon drop
i mean for example de other side
m0
strong forum
Idk like 260?
cursive bridge
seen as DOS doesnt exist in season 4
lament musk
o ok
drifting juniper
it was an example
strong forum
Ah
cursive bridge
scale nerf
drifting juniper
i wanted to see how much they raised ilvl
dawn canyon
278 speed opc 
zealous willow
So u cant farm now m0 for set pieces ?
strong forum
You can't farm SL M0s for set pieces, yes
cursive bridge
eh necrotic is only bad in a couple dungeons now
strong forum
Kyrian is garbage compared to necrolord
drifting juniper
compared to banner i think its much weaker
strong forum
It is
strong forum
Exactly
zealous willow
if u want to have kyrian passive go dwarf
strong forum
You go kyrian for low keys where banner can't be maintained
drifting juniper
and its not even bursting higher with mikanikos and spear with clap conduit
also no executes
strong forum
Other than that, you blast as necro
The worst part about Kyrian vs Necro is, everything hits for so much less
ionic fern
NL is definitely better..but Kyrian/NF are still solid. 
strong forum
Kyrian execute is only 20k
drifting juniper
i don't care what people say i like to keep playing like this in dragon flight
i don't like spear at all
drifting juniper
Necrolord rage is abundant
zealous willow
Do u guys use the condoit for max str % inc when u get healed?
drifting juniper
in kyrian when you execute you lose uptime on shield etc
strong forum
Yes
ionic fern
Probably like 80% of the playerbase here would do better as Kyrian/NF than they are doing as NL. 
strong forum
You wanna use Cov conduit > AAF > AJ >= SoF
If you play heirmir for padding
It's cov > AJ
drifting juniper
i staretd prot as necro
i tought warrior is super tanky in general
its only necro XD
zealous willow
u dont use ashen jugger?
strong forum
?
drifting juniper
all i couldnt fix on my warrior is my damage
ionic fern
u dont use ashen jugger?
AJ is Ashen.
hoary bough
i went kyrian initially when i had a 226 wep because it was the only way i could hold aggro
drifting juniper
i finish key with 11k overall on prot whilst people here finish with 14 15 k
zealous willow
what is ur ilvl
zealous willow
for survival the bigest upgrade is shield right ?
strong forum
Yes
hoary bough
don't they use spears?
median tulip
for survival the bigest upgrade is shield right ?
Getting a max ilvl shield is the single most important upgrade you can get
drifting juniper
i have 100% banner uptime but there is a problem with my rotation
i think its thunder clap
strong forum
I use thunderclap freely and I get 15-16k on pad keys
hoary bough
my first vault was a 278 shield on my prot warr, i was so happy and treated it as a sign from the loot gods that i was destined for war
strong forum
So, that's not it
drifting juniper
i mean
median tulip
i think its thunder clap
biggest error that happens a lot is munching Outbursts with TClap
strong forum
Thwump doesn't use TC alot and he also gets like 15-16k
drifting juniper
i use shield slam with outburst into ignore pain and revenge spam
strong forum
It's both funny and frustrating
jagged pier
Thwump doesn't use TC alot and he also gets like 15-16k
im inbetween both of your guys usages and get 15-16k
zealous willow
Sof conduit worth it ?
jagged pier
in imo no
drifting juniper
90% of my outbursts go into SS
strong forum
Sof is not bad if you use TC alot
But AJ is more valuable
Execute is almost 2k dps in my keys these days
It's competing with TC on overall
drifting juniper
if i could get a log and give it to you guys you could look at it but i cant sadly
cursive bridge
they buffed that on use block shield? still prob not worth losing secondary stats
zealous willow
what abt anima sphere
strong forum
I have up to 51% crit chance with stuff aligning
drifting juniper
in my last run
hoary bough
that BIG execute dmg
drifting juniper
23
my ss
was 6% crit
Do you think its the problem?
because my damage profile looks like that
ss revenge execute
ionic fern
It would be easier if you just got logs.
drifting juniper
i'm iranian i can't upload it i tried
between creating account and using vpn
frustrating
strong forum
Que
ionic fern
My bet is - not enough Revenge/SS.
Bad Banner up-time.
zealous willow
last time i did 7k overall with 245 ilvl , but im rly newbie to warr tank atm
drifting juniper
No my banner uptime is enough unless its spires or top
strong forum
7k with 245 is alright
cursive bridge
not gonna miss spires
ionic fern
No my banner uptime is enough unless its spires or top
What's "enough"?
zealous willow
i'm gonna miss only Theater of pain 😦
hoary bough
theater is the worst dungeon they made
cobalt seal
What's "enough"?
50%
drifting juniper
What's "enough"?
i use my banner for my dpsers otherwise it won't drop
strong forum
Que?
ionic fern
Huh?
drifting juniper
you can say its almost 100%
cursive bridge
call me weird but i like healing TOP, but every other role is just annoying
strong forum
Gna need a screenshot of the buff uptime on details for that
topaz field
my penxx is almost 30 cm
ionic fern
Well, if everything is as you say it is then :
-Revenge more
-SS More
-Execute at proper target counts
drifting juniper
my last key was kyrian i will get a screenshot of my next
strong forum
Sounds like a plan 
zealous willow
what is ur dps in boss figght @drifting juniper
hoary bough
call me weird but i like healing TOP, but every other role is just annoying
fair, i think dps on top is the worst role, awfully tedious mobs and the bosses are horrible
drifting juniper
when the boss died
dies
around 12k
with execute
last week on +22 tyra i was highest dps on tred ova
dawn canyon
fair, i think dps on top is the worst role, awfully tedious mobs and the bosses ...
I like aoeing the souls and first pull as dps, flying area is cool with very scripted kicks and nice chaining on the monstrosity
drifting juniper
1 dps died so i executed like 600k
dawn canyon
Rest cringe
hoary bough
the bosses are the worst part, it's just cringe downtime simulator all the way through
dawn canyon
Gorechop cringe
hoary bough
grasping hands into grasping hands into grasping hands "like bro, just let me play my class"
dawn canyon
grasping hands into grasping hands into grasping hands "like bro, just let me pl...
That one is fun if you hold CDs on pull
sick sentinel
TELEPORT SECTION
dawn canyon
sick sentinel
that is all
zealous willow
I love doing top as dk and necrotic wake 😄
hoary bough
yeah but you hold cds, get grasping hands, go to omega burst after, then get grasping hands again........
sick sentinel
aids sections cancer
dawn canyon
yeah but you hold cds, get grasping hands, go to omega burst after, then get gra...
Then i bs the grabbies
hoary bough
and the pvp boss is just YUCK
sick sentinel
lose so much fucking key time that ine part alone ppl walking back
zealous willow
Wait till u see ppl doing the last boss in karazhan
hoary bough
when i play a caster and someone kicks me in pvp, i hearthstone
sick sentinel
Wait till u see ppl doing the last boss in karazhan
ive never done any legion
strong forum
you omit Aaf right?
I do cuz I can't proc it
sick sentinel
so...
zealous willow
legion dungeons are rly rly good
strong forum
I would just sim which one provides more overall dps, AJ or AAF