whatever should i do about 10k over 35minutes
#protection
strong forum
open gazelle
We all agreeing codex is shit? Never pick it up?
strong forum
nah but seriously, if youre bothered by taking like 3k damage from a trinket once in a blue moon
idk what to say
codex is absolute dogtier garbage for prot warrior
drifting fable
gotta be pushing like 30s or some shit before itll even really help you
lofty widget
not even tbh
sand drum
@strong forum sorry to interrupt but ows even with 10% stat nerf :> ? and 9 trinket ofc
strong forum
yes
sand drum
❤️ thx sry for interrupting
drifting fable
itll still be a fat amount of haste
urban portal
35s at 252 Ilvl
strong forum
even if its nerfed by 10% its still 1.8x better than soleahs
urban portal
That’s when codex is bis
urban portal
I mean I’m probably not too much off
sand drum
Codex 
strong forum
the only downside to ows even in current patch was "low str from low ilvl, and downtime between packs"
and people still used it over 278 soleahs
in s4, itll be almost 60ilvl higher
zealous willow
What u think for that little buff we got ?
lofty widget
feels like if you lose ows you got bigger issues (aka losing banner)
strong forum
berry ok hand
zealous willow
Survival survived like wtf .............
lofty widget
survival deserves a bit of spotlight imo
lofty widget
destro can rot tho
drifting fable
i remember playing it back in wod before the melee switch
lofty widget
or swap to demo
drifting fable
oof
balmy canyon
Warlock shines in some why every patch I'm not sure surv has seen the top half of a dps chart in two expansions
zealous willow
Do u guys think that the IP buff we got was needed and do u think we can be meta tanks now?
\
lofty widget
neither probably
drifting fable
wasnt really needed. its cool. we press IP the same number of times prolly
muted nexus
IP buff is not a game changer but ill drink 2 dat
glacial skiff
So if I read this right the IP buff only increased the amount per each IP so in general you use less rage for more IP?
drifting fable
no
strong forum
no
zealous willow
the absorption cap is now based on maximum Health this is good i think
drifting fable
IP still maintains its use as a rage spender and overcap stopper
strong forum
^
slow birch
Heyo all. How do you check your damage done with Spell Reflect on logs?
strong forum
you dont
zealous willow
they made it like abosrd 2x more dmg , since we will have a lot more MAX HP now , cus of gear
strong forum
you need an elaborate pin for that
slow birch
I'm unsure if I was using my SR correctly on heroic VG.
silk pine
How much magic damage and unblockable damage comes in the new coming dungeons
lofty widget
Heyo all. How do you check your damage done with Spell Reflect on logs?
check details to save yourself the trouble tbh
somber fjord
how tf am i gonna get tinder matches without showing my spell reflect dmg then
sweet summit
you can
lofty widget
you can but its shit to do
strong forum
reflect dmg is listed under the enemy doing dmg to itself
lofty widget
gotta check enemies dmg
sweet summit
but you have to look at npc damage done to npc
strong forum
its not attributed to your dmg
sweet summit
no that's how the spell works?
slow birch
thank you for the help. I'll take a look
lofty widget
the enemy casts a spell, the spell hits themself
slow birch
no that's how the spell works?
I mean its cringe that you have to go roundabout to check SR damage done
sweet summit
yeah guess there should be an easier way to filter it
strong forum
How much magic damage and unblockable damage comes in the new coming dungeons
not as much as in hoa or dos, ill tell you that much
silk pine
not as much as in hoa or dos, ill tell you that much
Ok sounds good to me way better than 😄
pulsar pendant
WoD should be gravy for us I think?
muted nexus
the wod dungeons are pretty physically frontloaded iirc
muted nexus
glacial skiff
So the amount absorbed per each time you press IP isn’t changed?
drifting fable
scale is gone anyways
strong forum
stop caring about scale
drifting fable
who cares
strong forum
aaah
coarse ginkgo
Is the IP buff a decent buff in your guys opinion?
strong forum
scale has been dogshit since start of s3
muted nexus
what replaces scale in the grand scheme
glacial skiff
I understand its 55% but I don’t understand the change
lofty widget
ows+rdm/aegis
drifting fable
Is the IP buff a decent buff in your guys opinion?
muted nexus
the way the new vault notes read
lofty widget
or phial, opc in recent seasons
muted nexus
gl getting anything u actually want
drifting fable
yeah i did see that
muted nexus
as soon as you clap a boss, it adds their pool of loot permanently to vault
silk pine
I understand its 55% but I don’t understand the change
u get 13k instead of 10k ip shielld
30% buff
coarse ginkgo
I was looking to interact with the community but okay.
drifting fable
once you beat all the raid bosses you have the entire pool
muted nexus
which means your loot will be jockeying with 30 other bosses
lofty widget
which means your loot will be jockeying with 30 other bosses
no
muted nexus
silk pine
and the IP Cap is also around 20-30% higher
wooden radish
@strong forum 👋
strong forum
glacial skiff
That’s what I asked lol
muted nexus
you can only get loot from the bosses you killed the week prior
no
drifting fable
no chimmi i think hes right
muted nexus
RAID REWARDS
All 3 Shadowlands Raid rewards will be available in the Great Vault via the Fated rotation. Once you slay a Fated Raid boss, their rewards will be added to the pool of available drops for the rest of the season.```wait
strong forum
lmao
lofty widget
glacial skiff
So the amount total absorbed is increased by 30% thus making each IP press last longer per rage point spent.
urban portal
Yes
glacial skiff
Or like more rage efficient
cinder storm
"for the rest of the season" so you only need to kill them once?
slow birch
reflect dmg is listed under the enemy doing dmg to itself
Thanks man. I found it after digging around B)
muted nexus
"for the rest of the season" so you only need to kill them once?
yes, the way it reads is you could get CN gear week 2
coarse ginkgo
So the buff is useless, is there someone in this Discord effectively in direct communication with Blizz for feedback or we just spinning our wheels in here?
muted nexus
er, week 2 and beyond*
urban portal
How is the buff useless
drifting fable
i mean a buff is a buff
coarse ginkgo
I dunno that's what the pin says
strong forum
So the buff is useless, is there someone in this Discord effectively in direct c...
the buff is literally "IP is 30% larger in every way"
grave crane
im with him. only 30% practically useless.
silk pine
So the amount total absorbed is increased by 30% thus making each IP press last ...
1 IP Press is 10k old version 1 IP Press in new Version is 13k
grave crane
should be double max hp
strong forum
instead of absorbing 28k max, you absorb 36k max
sweet summit
listen
muted nexus
why people dookie on IP when its everyones best ehp heals
strong forum
so you get more absorbs period
muted nexus
necro is flying under the radar
drifting fable
we press IP so much already. changing the numbers on the defensive side of things does not alter the gameplay aspect of what IP is to us atm
drifting fable
but it is nice
pulsar pendant
nobody ratted necro pwar out to blizz yet
Shhhhhhhhh
drifting fable
and you wont hear us saying take it back
strong forum
and might've added 1 drop of water too much
coarse ginkgo
What's with the Dev note on patch notes?
strong forum
to make the bucket spill
muted nexus
they're not wrong, magic hurts like a mf
coarse ginkgo
I'm assuming they have tools to see where pwar gaps are
drifting fable
thats just the doomer in you nom sheesh
zealous willow
I like this buff , warrior suffered whole expansions , why not have some fun in s4 ?
strong forum
pwar is actually the strongest tank at mitigating magic dmg
its just frequent uncontrolled magic dmg is what hurts us
muted nexus
^
lofty widget
we have been fine since 9.0.5
drifting fable
thats a fair point
grave crane
nom if BDK can have almost infinite uptime on rune weapon and we get a slight increasein our damage intake and we get nerfed ill lose my god damn mind
muted nexus
shit like dos/soa hurts my anoos
muted nexus
good thing they're going away 
strong forum
nom if BDK can have almost infinite uptime on rune weapon and we get a slight in...
s4 patch only had 3 outcomes
A) We get buffed for whatever reason and we might turn out to be OP
B) We get nerfed for whatever reason and would be the meme of every community
C) We get nothing and it would count as "we've flown under the nerf radar"
we got A
muted nexus
i wonder how lottery esque it will be for rolling aegis
drifting fable
wdym
silk pine
I think we are really close now to blood dks
muted nexus
the way the patch notes read is that the raid pool is gargantuan if you kill everything
drifting fable
well sure for the vault
lofty widget
it's not
All 3 Shadowlands raid rewards will be available in the Great Vault. The Great Vault rules will stay the same and only the bosses that have been defeated that week will be available as possible rewards the following week.
prisma crane
s4 patch only had 3 outcomes
A) We get buffed for whatever reason and we might t...
considering how criminally underrepresented we are, i'd argue C is more flown under the buff radar, but either way i'll be happy with receiving A
drifting fable
id just try to get it off the 9 or dinar it
pallid quiver
on the bright side, at least with the new expac being the next major capstone, our power balance is going to be wildly different, anyhow, so if we are buffed it doesn't necessarily mean we'd get kneecapped because ofnit
muted nexus
All 3 Shadowlands raid rewards will be available in the Great Vault. The Great V...
where is this quoted from
fervent merlin
where to put the leggos after u get them 300+ pieces?
lofty widget
from the patch notes
strong forum
considering how criminally underrepresented we are, i'd argue C is more flown un...
underrepresentation =/= weak
we're really fucking strong
muted nexus
from the patch notes
link, cuz i'm staring at whitepost
that is not what it says at all
strong forum
just really fucking hard to play and extremely punishing if you dont play perfectly
muted nexus
unless they decided to change it within the past 2h
strong forum
but if you do, its amazing
grave crane
we been b the whole time lol but really unironically good
drifting fable
chimmis may have been the original wording? idk
lofty widget
unless they decided to change it within the past 2h
oh ive been checking wowhead, guess they changed it for whatever fucked reason
mb
silk pine
In Last Stand we are even more broken 50k IP 😄
muted nexus
its big
strong forum
where to put the leggos after u get them 300+ pieces?
reprisal on feet, unity on cloak/wrist or neck
drifting fable
yeah so we do get the gigantic raid pool
ocean yoke
https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-season-4-official-content-update-notes-328061 , its right under the prot buff lol
muted nexus
have they made any mention of changing wod m+ loot
drifting fable
would neck not be the play?
prisma crane
but if you do, its amazing
sure, but it's safe to say that nearly all top end players play really well and at that range is where we show up the least, i'm not saying we're bad by any stretch, but players need a reason to use us
muted nexus
cuz this loot table is dirty water
drifting fable
surely we dont want a 291 on a primary stat
strong forum
Neck might not be the play because of the karazhan neck
drifting fable
ah true
sweet summit
surely cloak is optimal
strong forum
Karazhan neck looks to be incredibly overpowered
prisma crane
i forget which one that is
zealous willow
is it rly ?
vernal vale
cloak maybe but that has main stat on it too
silk pine
How High is going to be the health pool next season probably?
zealous willow
the on when u take dmg to do aoe dmg back ?
strong forum
vers/mastery, 20% chance to proc 300 dmg per target, 1sec CD
muted nexus
that seems really good
strong forum
its 150dps per target
grave crane
what about mechagon shield?
zealous willow
y when i saw it , i knew it will be bis for tanks
zealous willow
i dont understand draenor dungeons , do we rly need any gear from them ???
muted nexus
is there aanywhere that has ptr loot posted to it
vernal vale
mechagon shield is a bait
muted nexus
for dungeons i should say
toxic pewter
what about punchcard trinkets you think any good
strong forum
we dont know about the punchcards
prisma crane
was good for ST burst
strong forum
the haste proc was also disgusting
zealous willow
Any idea what will hapen with draenor dungeons loots ?
prisma crane
also true
toxic pewter
Ya I remember I had haste one now that I think of it
strong forum
draenor dungeon loot will be compiled
with a few draenor items added to the 2 dungeons
muted nexus
weren't there some trinkets that were legit just stat sticks tho
strong forum
not all of the loot of the dungeons will be s4 loot
zealous willow
draenor dungeons loots is shit atm
strong forum
and yeah its shit
zealous willow
it will be stupid if we do them only for RIO 😄
nova idol
I was looking forward to revisiting mechagon until I remembered no awakened
sweet summit
strong forum
dungeon loot is meaningless once youre at 298 ilvl
nova idol
I have no idea how to path inside junkyard now
muted nexus
its pretty straight forward actually
strong forum
```Old Warrior’s Soul Haste granted per stack reduced by 10%.
```
still massively superior to everything else
muted nexus
why dey do dis
hard vessel
So which 2 trinkets I should aim for s4 fated raids if I will only ever get the Normal raid version? Sth like matrix and?
sweet summit
because it was absurdly strong
muted nexus
blizzard doesn't like fun ig
lofty widget
So which 2 trinkets I should aim for s4 fated raids if I will only ever get the ...
matrix ows and a shield/aegis
toxic pewter
If they put str on codex do you think it could be good
sweet summit
now it's still absurdly strong
drifting fable
it was already being taken as a 252
strong forum
why dey do dis
itll still be like 9% haste LOL
hard vessel
Ows is old warriors soul?
drifting fable
yup
hard vessel
So these 2 are bis even with low ilvl? I can get them while just going lfr quest line right?
sweet summit
How High is going to be the health pool next season probably?
~140k outside of LS at max gear ish
drifting fable
eh
dawn canyon
So these 2 are bis even with low ilvl? I can get them while just going lfr quest...
Lfr OWS is Depression
And prolly not worth
muted nexus
the lfr one might not be better than a 278 soleahs id imagine
muted nexus
but not gavel
drifting fable
idk about normal
lofty widget
why wouldnt you just pug first boss or 2 every week and one day get mythic ilvl tho
drifting fable
heroic for sure
hard vessel
Ye
hard vessel
why wouldnt you just pug first boss or 2 every week and one day get mythic ilvl ...
Wait dont I need to mythic raid to get them to mXthix ilvl?
tepid nest
does anyone else find it weird that aegis escaped the trinket tuning?
silk gull
You have to kill 20 bosses
lofty widget
Wait dont I need to mythic raid to get them to mXthix ilvl?
kill 20 mythic bosses=receive a mythic upgrade token that can take any fated raid trinket to mythic ilvl"
drifting fable
so you could kill boss 1 for 20 weeks
minor helm
Yes
minor helm
Doubt
drifting fable
hard vessel
I will not kill mythic boss 1 for this shit like wtf
hard vessel
OK but normal versions still best
torn gulch
i'll just pick a heroic aegis and that's raiding for me in S4 cba doing the raids again
zealous willow
so we go aegis 100% from shop ?
hard vessel
Ye ofc but I hate raiding and I even more hate pug raiding and then I will have 20 times pain and no fun for maybe not enough time to even use the item 😂
lofty widget
nah not 100%
drifting fable
id say no honestly
drifting fable
unless you really like it and you cant seem to get it off SoD
its off an early boss
zealous willow
what trinkets will be bis for m+
tepid nest
OWS is defo a better pick up than aegis, much harder to get
torn gulch
i mean first 3 mythic bosses are pugable in SOD so you'll have another chance for a fat aegis
or both OWS and aegis
i have a 278 scale and i hoped they would not nerf it so i could've used it for a while but of course they nerfed it
toxic pewter
I’m glad they nerfed it I want to use season 4 stuff
ivory coral
scale is bigger than 100k on 5 targets, more like 130k ish
patent osprey
Idk what's so good about a 50-100k absorb on a 2min CD
On use defensive let's you preplan for larger pulls and gives u an oh shit button that prot currently does not have
strong forum
scale is bigger than 100k on 5 targets, more like 130k ish
It ain't
patent osprey
Warrior has no recovery skill. Using Shield Wall after ur in a bad situation does nothing unfortu ately
zealous willow
play dk , death strike = istant heal + shield 😄
ivory coral
Unless you have turbo stacked vers
i'm a brew main so i have quite a bit, maybe that's why :)
zealous willow
i love brewmaster idea , but their ST dmg is disgusting lul
strong forum
On use defensive let's you preplan for larger pulls and gives u an oh shit butto...
Sure, for ultra keys maybe
But below 26/27s I wouldn't touch it
hard vessel
It's also cool for pugs in like 20 - 25 which doesn't kick cause destro rain of fire maybe?
strong forum
Idk I don't like it
hard vessel
If they never kick a wicked bolt in 25 you just die
torn gulch
114.6k absorb on 5 targets
tested now
lofty widget
If they never kick a wicked bolt in 25 you just die
reflect, kick, fear, shockwave and defensives
if your dps never kick then maybe they shouldnt be in a 25
torn gulch
if dps don't kick in 25's then we have a problem
lofty widget
you have a lot of tools to stop casts yourself
so can delay heavy dmg for quite a whie
torn gulch
we might as well go yolo next season with double dps trinkets and crit or haste from shrowded
max dps
who needs defensive trinkets
lofty widget
definitely
cinder storm
Pretty much
torn gulch
i wonder if i don't want to touch the raids what choices do i have for trinkets next patch
zealous willow
If u do max 20 , u can go max dps trinkets right?
near pewter
IP confirmed at 30% of max hp right?
lofty widget
can go alot higher with double dps trinkets but yes
lofty widget
IP confirmed at 30% of max hp right?
y
slow birch
So does shield block guarantee a melee block?
lofty widget
So does shield block guarantee a melee block?
you block all melee hits, all projectiles, and most physical hits with SB up
cobalt seal
114.6k absorb on 5 targets
tested now
imagine having a trinket doing that, when you gonna have way better in S4
I'm glad blizzard nerfed it
torn gulch
you're reffering to aegis?
cobalt seal
no
zealous willow
It is boring trinket
cobalt seal
scale
slow birch
you block all melee hits, all projectiles, and most physical hits with SB up
If its blockable then its guaranteed to block?
torn gulch
the way better part
lofty widget
If its blockable then its guaranteed to block?
yup
velvet escarp
Looks like prot is back on the menu
torn gulch
i won't touch raids so aegis and ows are out
grave crane
prot been back on the menu lol
torn gulch
i'll have to make do with m+ trinkets
zealous willow
Rdm will have value now ,, since we scale with stamina more ip?
muted nexus
it was never off the menu, it was just a hidden menu item
velvet escarp
Well I’m just coming back for s4
lofty widget
Okay cool. Second question, How do you see how much you're blocking on logs?
damage taken>click your name>hover hits section
cobalt seal
i won't touch raids so aegis and ows are out
do lfr raid
zealous willow
What u think for codex in 15-20 keys is it bad .
muted nexus
What u think for codex in 15-20 keys is it bad .
the pin will answer that
cobalt seal
people think it's good
because S1 had shit trinkets
and scale was the saving grace
lofty widget
damage taken>click your name>hover hits section
cobalt seal
What u think for codex in 15-20 keys is it bad .
lol
that should answer
codex is bad in 28's
lofty widget
i'll have to make do with m+ trinkets
sack+soleahs are both good trinkets currently
from m+
lofty widget
doesnt mean its the right thing
muted nexus
strength gives you so much more bang for your buck
urban portal
Stamina makes you pay so much bucks for a bang
zealous willow
I hate the raids and all bis trinkets are from raids damn bro
sturdy sable
^
lofty widget
it is what it is
sturdy sable
I have one on my pally and its p nice
torn gulch
it's like 120 something haste at 298 ilvl isn't it?
so 4% haste
zealous willow
Do u guys think that paladins will parse higher than warriors in s4?
sweet summit
60*5
muted nexus
idk the >278 #'s
cobalt seal
I like the stamina part
lofty widget
Do u guys think that paladins will parse higher than warriors in s4?
probably not?
lofty widget
our ST is chonky atm
muted nexus
the only downside of putting out big dips with banner up is the necessity to be an absolute asshole and run around a kite area to chargeweave
dps hate it but idc smd
zealous willow
Idk if i should go dwarf or stay goblin , is it big diff?
sweet summit
goblins are ugly
muted nexus
goblin is painful because of los issue
slow birch
damage taken>click your name>hover hits section
tyty
tropic magnet
TLDR, is the Ignore Pain buff worth maining over Brewmaster yet or nah?
cobalt seal
TLDR, is the Ignore Pain buff worth maining over Brewmaster yet or nah?
play whatever you want
muted nexus
i like the minigame of keeping banner up more than i like wow at this point
zealous willow
Poor druids got no buff. But i think they will soon , no way thet ignire them right?
muted nexus
guardian druids? didnt they get an st buff recently
toxic pewter
Prot warr always worth maining
cobalt seal
Poor druids got no buff. But i think they will soon , no way thet ignire them ri...
lol
zealous willow
Druida are deep into the bottom atm
cobalt seal
lol
lofty widget
none of the tanks are deep into anything
toxic pewter
Druid gonna be best tank in dragonflight don’t worry
lofty widget
theyre all playable at high levels
urban portal
Tanks are much closer than dps
zealous willow
Their set bonus needs some kind of tuning
cobalt seal
it doesnt
toxic pewter
Nah none of this even matter df is in like 3 months
toxic pewter
Discobear is gonna be meta tank
zealous willow
I think prot pala has best tallents for DF ? But we dont know warr,dh and monk yet
muted nexus
guardian gets incarn window to shine, they dont need anything else
urban portal
Ofc
lofty widget
I think prot pala has best tallents for DF ? But we dont know warr,dh and monk y...
wayyyyyy too early to tell
urban portal
Pals have 100% wings rn
sweet summit
lol
toxic pewter
Lol that’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me 
lofty widget
apb been nice recently ngl
cobalt seal
apb been nice recently ngl
you had to do it didn't you?
cobalt seal
toxic pewter
What is seanpost
light quartz
Sorry to bring this up again. But, out of curiosity, I was running 34% Mastery, 13% Versa, during Banner my IP was getting at around 31k absorb (114k HP), in this specific scenario this buff is around 3% right? Since it was already capping at around 27% of my HP or I am misunderstanding this?
urban portal
Well the ip itself would get bigger
But yeah I’m looking at some numbers and the buff is not so cut and dry
Because banner would make the ip much bigger but doesn’t increase your hp
In your situation the buff itself wouldn’t be that big
And adding the 30% will make you cap in 1 ip
cinder storm
apb been nice recently ngl
He was forced
lofty widget
i'd like the think he changed of his own volition
viral flume
IP buff yay or nay
potent anvil
viral flume
fairs
sick sentinel
wtb more 50% xp weekends, am creating red prot, would like to do tiran druid
onyx vessel
Buff to dogshit shield we spam alot
chrome falcon
no sorry just to be clear
cinder storm
It kinda shows we haven't been forgotten
chrome falcon
i mean the dogshit shield from sepulchre
the item
is getting a 20% buff
the IP buff is nice
ebon wren
do we have a tree yet
cinder storm
No
open gazelle
What is the rdm trinket?
chilly brook
What is the rdm trinket?
I'm going to be stupid and assume you never got an answer, reactive defense matrix from Guardian in SoD
feel free to look it up in your dungeon journal
ooooh
they buffed Decanter
I actually really liked that trinket but I doubt it'll be a good enough buff to justify using it over other options
The sweet sweet screams of Garrosh in my ear
shut summit
open gazelle
Dammit all these raid trinkets
open gazelle
Are there any good season 4 tanky dungeon trinkets or no?
grave crane
Ok good. Now ask if we need to use codex to scale our ip
chilly brook
Are there any good season 4 tanky dungeon trinkets or no?
bruh, my guy just do SoD for Aegis and RDM
raids are tuned to be ez pz clears this tier
if you want defensive trinkets those are your options
grave crane
What’s rdm
thorny stone
raids are tuned to be ez pz clears this tier
Can't wait for me and my guildies to wipe 200 times at rohkalo because 1 dps doesn't notice he has to do a mechanic
chilly brook
Can't wait for me and my guildies to wipe 200 times at rohkalo because 1 dps doe...
I mean just skip 4head
unless for some reason they're just gonna reset everyones skip
velvet elbow
All skips work if unlocked
shut summit
yee
chilly brook
yea so you can just omit fatescribe lol
thorny stone
I pray that the RL decides to do so
chilly brook
who need him anyways?
west walrus
Can't wait for me and my guildies to wipe 200 times at rohkalo because 1 dps doe...
Don't tell me. I have mates who forget the bomb they are assigned on Halondrus
chilly brook
he doesn't drop anything noteworthy especially now that domination gear doesn't work
only reason you'd do it is for the cheat death trinket for tanks but there's no shot you need that
mighty cairn
are there any numbers yet on the ip changes
or have to wait until next week to see how much of a buff it is
chilly brook
are there any numbers yet on the ip changes
it's a 30% bump
chrome falcon
yes they added detail to it
30% bigger absorbs and the cap is now 30% of max hp
which is more than it used to be
thorny stone
who need him anyways?
I mean, he does give a coin to upgrade items 
chrome falcon
fuck IP still sucks but we take those
chilly brook
instead of being capped at 30k I'll now be capped at 42k
sick sentinel
honestly a toss up between UR and PF for worst ever dungeon as in like eugh
sweet summit
underrot was great wdym
west walrus
I liked Underrot
velvet elbow
IP might suck but, we got a bigger buff by the new dungeon rotation being what it is
thorny stone
I like plaguefall, fun pulls one of the easiest dungeons, we are also necrolord
sick sentinel
far and away have me the most problems for keys in bfa UR was on that list
west walrus
I love the first boss :D
sick sentinel
GHUUN GUNNA TAKE YA
west walrus
I wonder... does HoA work with non SL dungeons ? 🤔
thorny stone
are we playing the same plaguefall?
I also enjoy the banner+reprisal gameplay and wish it wasn't gone in DF
sweet summit
banner is good fun
west walrus
I was thinking about some main powers, not the stats themselves
sweet summit
yeah those too got squished
chilly brook
those are like all the bad powers tho lol
sweet summit
but none of those were played lol
chilly brook
^
urban portal
They say the azerite shit don’t work
Conflict and strife seems ok for niche situations
chilly brook
people used it
urban portal
But I’m assuming it DRed like hell
chilly brook
but it was shit
the xpac where we could facetank literally everything
and people are trying to kite
urban portal
Cronge
west walrus
During BfA we had better choices
chilly brook
It's like the people who used vers corruptions in their 20s
chilly brook
when you should have used TD
west walrus
Which are squashed
chilly brook
VoP procs were life
sweet summit
lucid was so much fun though
pulsar pendant
Do we have any clue if banner is staying? Like datamined or anything
sweet summit
not datamined
pulsar pendant
:(
sick sentinel
id be for a different type of banner
sick sentinel
i was lvling my mecha dk and some healer in spanish goes "darklight (assume dark knightyou stand and stand 42 y (yards?) away in the mechanics"
loosely translate
toxic pewter
Wat
brittle owl
huh
sick sentinel
healer yelling at me in spanish to not be 42 yards away and eat all the mechanics
cinder storm
Healer was telling you to tank instead of running?
sick sentinel
am doing fine i think, fast xp tho, 1 dungeon = 1 full lvl pretty much
lavish oracle
I feel like we're spending so much excess rage on IP already, the buff seems pretty big?
desert solstice
Will we be recrafting leggos in to new slots for season 4?
sick sentinel
my guess is that its the total amount absorbed 30% more like if its 1000 dmg its that + 300 now, something about its off %hp instead of ap, guess is its gunna be alot like same but different
rather than we get 30% more DR
sweet summit
Will we be recrafting leggos in to new slots for season 4?
reprisal stays on boots, unity will go on cloak ideally
desert solstice
Sick thanks
sick sentinel
is there a new cap for leggo?
sweet summit
nope
sick sentinel
ahh okay
kind prairie
I am sure this has been asked, but is the amount of IP you get when cast increased by 30%, or is the damage prevented increasing to 85%? nevermind there is a pin
wait nevermind
sharp dew
Amount by 30%
kind prairie
increasing the % mitigated will just make it get eaten quicker. I'd rather have more amount.
sharp dew
^
open gazelle
I’d rather have an 85% dmg reduction
sharp dew
It’s too small of a number to be like legion where it absorbs 90%
kind prairie
I’d rather have an 85% dmg reduction
It's not damage reduction.
sharp dew
You’d be absorbing 85% of 15k dmg lmao
open gazelle
That’s good
kind prairie
That’s good
It doesn't stack high enough for a high % like that to matter. In legion it was 90%, and stacked waaaay high but we still burned through it like crazy.
open gazelle
Either way a buff is a buff
I wish the damn mitigation % went up to like 70% I think is fair
kind prairie
IP isn't really mitigation tho, is it? It's an absorb.
open gazelle
I hope the % whatever the fuck you want to call it goes up to 70ish % for DF
kind prairie
an absorb is mitigating damage taken
would that not be similar to a heal?
sweet summit
a heal brings HP back up
an absorb stops the HP going as far down
kind prairie
gotcha. thanks.
lavish oracle
Seems like a pretty big buff, like 3-4k more absorbed per IP and a 12k increase to absorb cap for me
kind prairie
much more rage efficient
urban portal
Right now we aren't burning it fast enough
lavish oracle
I feel like I'm spamming IP these days just to max banner uptime anyways
molten holly
Seeing ignore pain go back up to 85% is a nice sight, considering it use to be 90% in legion before it got nerfed into oblivion in BFA to 55%
sharp dew
The interesting part will be the buff to cap when we have increased max hp-last stand/fort buff/shammy heal/rally etc
urban portal
So having a 85% absorb gives us more efficiency
sweet summit
Right now we aren't burning it fast enough
do harder content then :v)
sharp dew
Seeing ignore pain go back up to 85% is a nice sight, considering it use to be 9...
It’s still 55%
urban portal
A melee in a 27 does like
16k mitigated
kind prairie
Seeing ignore pain go back up to 85% is a nice sight, considering it use to be 9...
it's not.
open gazelle
Watch blizz confuse us with their wording and it goes up to 85% lol
lavish oracle
supposedly they clarified elsewhere?
open gazelle
Lol where
urban portal
And sometimes bad swing timers can cuck you too
open gazelle
I’d like to know
sweet summit
clarify what
brittle owl
clarify dn
lavish oracle
gottem
molten holly
Damage taken is the only wording on the absorb on the tool tip
unless someone is HUFFING paint its interpreted as 85%
lavish oracle
That's where I boil them in a pot until they change color, right?
sweet summit
huh?
brittle owl
uhm
lavish oracle
clarifying butter
brittle owl
you're trying something
kind prairie
Damage taken is the only wording on the absorb on the tool tip
It just says increasing it's absorb by 30%.
brittle owl
but it ain't working
lavish oracle
it's a cooking thing
brittle owl
ik what clarified butter is and how it's made you spastic it's just a horrible analogy
sweet summit
i think it was a joke
brittle owl
airport
brittle owl
cinder storm
lavish oracle
🥁
cinder storm
I'll be a doomer first time this whole xpac. Those changes, appreciated as they are, are not enough to keep decent players at the required level they need to play to give pwar good fame
brittle owl
🖕
brittle owl
Understandable, enjoy your flight
xoxo
sweet summit
why are you like this
lavish oracle
I'll be a doomer first time this whole xpac. Those changes, appreciated as they ...
I think Naowh and Dorki were both sorta hyping pwar for next patch
cinder storm
They are just tired of playing the same 4 tanks
brittle owl
I'll be a doomer first time this whole xpac. Those changes, appreciated as they ...
until you get to decent players the game loses the bulk of it's playerbase bcs it's straight up bad overall
cinder storm
But you need a solid team for a pwar to shine, they have that, 99% do not
brittle owl
why are you like this <:critcake:984549832511344640>
shut up weeb
sweet summit
can't make me
brittle owl
sure i can
molten holly
I just don't want spells to make me feel like a empty bag of Doritos
brittle owl
so like, just a dorito bag
lavish oracle
I hope they make more spells reflectable again in DF
urban portal
I hope less
lavish oracle
same
brittle owl
no thoughts just clap cheeks
molten holly
I take offense to that, i want giga fuck mindless aoe damage
brittle owl
clap venge clap venge clap venge
molten holly
clap clap cheek venge dorito
brittle owl
modern brook
I'll be a doomer first time this whole xpac. Those changes, appreciated as they ...
What changes I don't want to scroll
toxic pewter
What exactly does the 30% mean
lavish oracle
30% more to the absorb size
So like if you absorb 100 now, you'll absorb 130 post patch
lavish oracle
For me it's like 2.4
toxic pewter
I see
So its also “harder” to cap on ip so that is good for us versus previous cap simply equals 2 ip right
lavish oracle
Yep
toxic pewter
Interesting
west glade
Does that mean codex is back 
urban portal
So how many casts of ip will equal 30% of max health
Depends
It depends on your vers and mastery
And when banner is up you have a bigger ip
lavish oracle
Wouldn't this make codex worse?
urban portal
Not exactly?
A bigger cap is good
Right now we are constantly overcapping ip
A bigger cap means bigger shield
I'm fairly sure at least 66% of ip Is wasted
open gazelle
Why would codex be back?
lavish oracle
I think they mean because stam is less bad vs str than before but I'm not convinced that's true
sweet summit
Does that mean codex is back <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
no
urban portal
but yes the relative value of codex vs generic has closed
it may beat blade dancers armor kit
soon
onyx vessel
Codex is even worse in s4 with all the tank trinkets added in
Majordomos dinner bell if it still works as it did in legion gave a buff based off your food buff rather then "random"
1min 30second cd on fat vers buff 
or haste
onyx vessel
Gives 111 stat at 50ilvl
urban portal
so its a bit sketch
but yeah
it seems like its going to give yuge stats
at 300 ish
onyx vessel
Fat secondary
urban portal
depends tho
OPC is giving 605
at 278 ilvl
so it needs to be better than that
+strength
this may be another codex situation
where the effect isnt bad
but the fact it gives stamina
is sadge
onyx vessel
194 stat at 125 ilvl highest ilvl i can check on wowhead
urban portal
so it needs to literally give 1000 stats
to just be even
again
codex situation of no main stat
thats literally 6% of your damage at least
onyx vessel
Overwhelming power crystal is locked to 278
urban portal
yes
and it still gives strength
dinner bell at ilvl 9000 still wouldnt give strength
onyx vessel
Old warrior soul 311
onyx vessel
Not really any good trinkets tbh
urban portal
no main stat
urban portal
ngl codex would probably be the same dps increase as this
onyx vessel
Trash for warriors i know
urban portal
because monks scale so well with secondaries right
onyx vessel
Codex is better for high keys
urban portal
this is a damage trinket so you can sim it
so theres not even a debate like codex
the fact that it only gives you 200 more stats than a 278 OPC
without strength
onyx vessel
What others trinkets look good
urban portal
is very sketch
onyx vessel
None from mechagon
urban portal
im fairly sure even a 262 opc beats it
onyx vessel
Both suck
onyx vessel
is better
onyx vessel
They didnt nerf many trinkets
urban portal
yeah only ows
onyx vessel
Its probably still worth using
cinder nova
Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems like the new IP cap isn't really going to solve it being ripped to shreds globally?
onyx vessel
Its not legion ip
cinder nova
I mean, 30% of 120K is ~40K up from like the 34K it's at now for me.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong?
onyx vessel
Around there
icy yarrow
sadly no xD
cinder nova
This literally does nothing then.
ruby berry
Yep
onyx vessel
40k shield every 2 gcds is pretty strong
urban portal
Maybe I'm reading this wrong?
You are right
But it’s actually solid for mitigating big hits
onyx vessel
Remember prot banner build you spam ip
urban portal
And you can put it back up instantly
cinder nova
40k shield every 2 gcds is pretty strong
We already are flushed with rage enough to basically smash IP so hard it'll wear out the switch on a mechanical keyboard in record time.
urban portal
The cap doesn’t buff spamming
ruby berry
It doesn't change anything.
urban portal
Well it barely does
onyx vessel
Shields too big just gets wasted
urban portal
The huge part is the 30% being able to shrug off a wicked bolt
onyx vessel
So its fine
urban portal
Do you know what your ip is right now
cinder nova
How so? The actual value is like 6K more for me, if that.
urban portal
By any chance
cinder nova
Yeah it's like 34-36K
urban portal
Per press?
onyx vessel
Pwarr is king of mitigation
cinder nova
I'm almost always at cap
urban portal
The cap doesn’t matter
cinder nova
Unless I'm just getting clobbered
urban portal
The per cast matters much more
onyx vessel
At the cost of having minor self healing
urban portal
What’s your tooltip on ip
cinder nova
Lemme go check
cinder nova
I'm still not seeing how increasing it by 30% will matter, though. We already press it so much that getting cap is basically a few keypresses.
12.1K
onyx vessel
Helps alot
cinder nova
But how?
onyx vessel
15k shield is quite a few melee hits reduced tbh
cinder nova
Like, during banner and rotational play, it's higher.
In high keys?
Fuck no it isn't.
Especially on big pulls.
urban portal
Much better in high keys
Because you are actually consuming you ip in high keys
In low keys most of your ip just sits there
cinder nova
I'm still not understanding why a few thousand difference on IP is some massive change when our cap and per cast is only nominally improved.
cinder nova
The only thing I see this doing is making it less dogshit to press if you don't have 4p/2L
urban portal
Taking 3k less from a bolt is quite big
onyx vessel
They arent going to rebalance classes
urban portal
It’s a nerf to cap when you have banner up
cinder nova
zzzz
cinder nova
I dunno, I'd have to log back in again. You also have to look at all the other shit rolling, but my mid-dungeon IP I frequently seeing capped at between 34-36K
urban portal
itll still be around that much
but its a lot better for burst damage in high keys
is the point
cinder nova
But... how? If something is hitting for 70K what difference is 4K on an IP gonna make.
urban portal
4k hp?
cinder nova
So very little.
urban portal
so having another 2-3k hps is very little?
cinder nova
It's not gonna stop you from getting clapped, though? Spike damage is our enemy, not chip.
Sure this lets you deal with spikes slightly better.
But only just.
Predictable consistent damage intake was never the issue unless it's just horrendous amounts of it.
Maybe I just can't be fucked to see this as anything worth staring at any harder once I read it. I'll have to see how it handles in play, who knows, maybe I'm sleeping on it.
cinder nova
Yeah, but... like... it's not keeping you from getting half your HP bombarded by Fort Wicked Bolt in a 25
That's our issue.
Am I gonna take it? Sure.
cinder storm
TBH...HoA is a lot easier than S1, plus, its not going to be in the rotation anymore
onyx vessel
Yeah
cinder nova
That sounds like it could be toxic.
onyx vessel
Mechagon,taz,kara,docks,grimrail
cinder nova
Tyran trash is rarely an issue
urban portal
29 tyr is still 27 fortified
onyx vessel
The 3 mega dungeons + 2 wod dungeons
cinder nova
Tryan weeks trash becomes a PITA when it's got fucked affixes that drags it on.
onyx vessel
Those are gonna be spicy
onyx vessel
Lots of random shit you can pull easily in docks
cinder nova
First area of docks is gonna make or break groups kekw
urban portal
in 28 fort, unmitigated bolt is 42k
cinder nova
One bolt isn't a problem. Two bolts is somewhat of an easy hurdle. Bolt spam from 2-3 obliterators is a serious issue.
In the first two scenarios it's not an issue already.
In the latter this won't really feel that different.
onyx vessel
Whole grimrail is gonna be spicy in a key
urban portal
but you are literally 10% bulkier in almost all cases
onyx vessel
Spiteful gonna suck
urban portal
since you are slamming IP so much
cinder nova
Grimrail is one combat to the end lol
cinder nova
That's my actual fear
urban portal
ok what if i put it this way, you get 1k more hps
cinder nova
Sang in those quarters
urban portal
1k more hps is huge on a class with no self healing