This IP buff...
#protection
trail rune
really?
cinder storm
They said they might add other items into the wod dungeons so who knows
deep steppe
Yeah this for sure. I just mean trinkets
drifting fable
its pretty good
trail rune
what are you seeing that im not
strong forum
It's ungodly large
lofty widget
depends what "scales with hp" means
strong forum
Presumption is that the IP cap is 100% of max hp
Which means IP cap gets buffed by 400%
minor helm
ionic fern
I'm just waiting for more info.
sweet summit
carmine pine
trail rune
thats a lot
lofty widget
maybe we can survive magic damage now
near pewter
so this means 85% absorbed when IP is up?
sweet summit
nah, still 55%
lofty widget
no, just the actual absorb amount is 30 % bigger
like instead of a 20k shield its a 26k shield
pallid quiver
inb4 based on 1-5% of max hp so it somehow gets worse
cinder storm
should be 50% bigger
lofty widget
theyre gonna base it off a % so the cap hardly changes, just watch
lofty widget
yah sounds about right
grave crane
It’s also based on % health which sounds good
vestal moat
basically we should always have IP up now
urban portal
When do you not have ip up
ocean yoke
or a light sneeze
vestal moat
i can see us going into every pack with 120k shield now
strong forum
How much hps are people pulling rn
7-15k
chrome falcon
nomer you know stuff
mellow bridge
man that change reads real nice
chrome falcon
is this buff relevant
strong forum
In real keys pwar does like 7k hps overall
This buff is extremely strong if the cap of IP also increases
outer solstice
just did a streets at 8.5k ^^
urban portal
Just from ip?
ionic fern
We don't even know exactly what the numbers are...
potent anvil
Pwar does a lot of hps overall. Considering you dump into IP and get indomitable healing.
vestal garnet
is this buff relevant
depends on what "absorption cap is now based on maximum health" means exactly
strong forum
Yea depends on that part
urban portal
I though we pulling like 3-4k ish with ip
strong forum
Just from ip?
Everything counted together
If the cap on IP does infact increase, it'll be massive
potent anvil
I dunno if overall hps is a good metric, but some keys I'm just ahead of the healer with like 7k+
strong forum
If the cap is meant to not make IP scale out of control, not much will change for good prot warriors
A bad pwar will get better IP value
A good one will have no change whatsoever
It will however be a better spell going forward
chrome falcon
ok but the phrasing
makes it sound like the cap is still going to be giga low?
but i guess we just see
strong forum
That's what it comes down to
silk pine
Need to wait how High. Would be funny if 50% of health 😄
halcyon trench
Well, so its time to gear my old warrior for sure. I was a little fed up of playing BDK
silk pine
when can this be tested on PTR?
strong forum
Initially presumption was 100%of max HP
cinder storm
Next week
silk pine
@strong forum It goes even up becouse of banner
strong forum
Yes
chrome falcon
and if you read the phrasing they said they're changing the cap to constrain it's power right
so like
i dunno
this feels like blizz is just stapling some random number on
but its not like we need a buff anyway so lol
we take those
the ppala buff is way nicer though
cinder storm
Same as warlock, they just want people to press more buttons
cinder storm
Nerfing fingers rather than class
silk pine
Surv nerf is like 4-5%
In Aoe and single target?
cinder storm
Still going to be meta, they wont just spam RoF anymore
strong forum
In Aoe and single target?
Aoe
silk pine
I hope IP cap goes higher than we are strong even against magic damage
strong forum
It's not magic damage
It's frequent magic dmg
Important distinction
1 or 2 phat bolts don't do anything
You got CDs for that
But prolonged uninterrupted casts, or prolonged dots fuck
silk pine
yeah ok u are right about that, but in some high keys like 26 Dos, when no one kicks shadow bolts wrecks the ip out of hell
cinder storm
🦥
chilly brook
so is it 85% now?
strong forum
No
chilly brook
we almost back to legion lmfao
vestal garnet
no it's still 55%
strong forum
55% but larger per-cast shield
strong forum
But it all comes down to how large the cap will be
chilly brook
I mean not terrible
silk pine
so instead of 10k shield 13k shield
sharp dew
If the cap is big then this buff is huge
chilly brook
it's better than nothing
sharp dew
Cuz we got plenty of rage
grave crane
Let the cap be our max hp
sharp dew
True
chilly brook
I'm just laughing that this is the only change for warrior
sharp dew
LOL
chilly brook
Also
this basically proves to me that aff is a dead spec until next xpac
like they don't know what to do with it
chilly brook
So big, small or minor buff to up?
no one knows atm
strong forum
Could be massive
chilly brook
it's definitely minor
strong forum
Could be irrelevant for good prots
chilly brook
but could be a lot more than minor
vestal garnet
So big, small or minor buff to up?
small with potential to be massive
hard vessel
Is dwarf warrior good looking?
strong forum
Yes
cinder storm
It's definitely something
hard vessel
So if you could vote
strong forum
Very good looking
cinder storm
ztroll is better looking
strong forum
I main dwarf warrior since wrath
strong forum
So yeah.
hard vessel
Which dwarf is coolest looking, dk, Pala or warr
strong forum
Warrior ofc
Dk doesn't have a shield, instant turnoff
Paladin uses light, instant turnoff
median tulip
Is dwarf warrior good looking?
basically, if you must play the bad faction, then Dwarf is the best race
hard vessel
Haha real warrior brain
vestal garnet
Dk doesn't have a shield, instant turnoff
2h is cool, I loved the bug in season 1 where you was able to replace sword and shield with one 2h weapon
hard vessel
I just like dwarfs and since I can still. Play with my friend it's worth it
chilly brook
Once you enter a Fated raid, you’ll notice that all enemies and bosses will have adjusted stats—the goal here isn’t to make your raid group go through progression again; we’re aiming to provide a proper but not insurmountable challenge for those already experienced with the encounters.
Ngl
S4 raiding is sounding kinda pog
strong forum
2h is cool, I loved the bug in season 1 where you was able to replace sword and ...
Yes, but you still had your shield
It gave you unique tmog options for novelty feeling
cinder storm
Yeah, going to be my first time really raiding in shadowlands, sounds its going to be fun now
vestal garnet
Yes, but you still had your shield
not visible
hard vessel
OK what about pally buff? Huge or do I need to go to pink warrior discord?
strong forum
not visible
It was if you did it right
cinder storm
Fight boss, kill extra add, get power up, kill boss, move on
strong forum
vestal garnet
but I wanted to hide my shield to be 2h protec warr lol
echo egret
`Once you enter a Fated raid, you’ll notice that all enemies and bosses will hav...
Where is that from ?
chilly brook
This is the only line in the IP thing that makes me think it won't be massive:
while the change to the cap will constrain its strength otherwise
sullen valve
@ionic fern ily even if you're a prot warrior
chilly brook
Where is that from ?
blue post
median tulip
So with this:
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> ily even if you're a prot warrior
Best healer. 
strong forum
@ionic fern ily cuz you're a prot warrior
median tulip
As long as the cap is more than... what, 25% of my maximum HP - then it's a good buff
chilly brook
Where is that from ?
strong forum
Yes
sullen valve
Nobody knows what the new cap is
hard vessel
Wait so IP absorbs 30% of max HP?
mighty valley
no
strong forum
Nobody knows.
grave crane
Cap will be 2x max health or we riot
sullen valve
Nobody knows cap
median tulip
Nobody knows what the new cap is
No, but I know that my current IP is roughly 12500 HP and my max health is... about 120k now
mighty valley
the absorb number is getting buffed to be 30% bigger than on live
hard vessel
Bro 2 times max health is too much
mighty valley
while the cap is changing to be based on max hp in a way that we do not know yet
hard vessel
Like what 200k absorb never taking any dmg
median tulip
20% of my max HP would be break even,, 25% cap is a buff
sharp dew
50% of max hp would be huge op
ocean yoke
yeah rough math of unbuffed anything other 18% would be a buff for cap
for my guy at least
median tulip
So 22k * 1.33
IP cap is 2* the single use at the moment
sharp dew
So 200% would be a LITTLE too ridiculous @grave crane
sullen valve
One great about IP's cap being based on maxHP instead of 2x its absorb is the % of max hp compared to IP should stay the same over an xpack even with 3rd party systems at play
urban portal
Makes sense
hard vessel
IP cap is 2* the single use at the moment
Ye that sounds correct, haven't played for 3 months
urban portal
Hi Abe
sullen valve
Mwahi can tell me if I'm wrong but at the start of SL the % of IP relative to max HP was higher than it is now
hard vessel
It's crazy
grave crane
Oh I’m sorry a bunch of cowards don’t want to shoot for the moon 2x max health gang
sullen valve
hi hekili
hard vessel
It's like 50k then
sharp dew
I’d love to see something higher, 35-45
ionic fern
It's still 55%...you will still spam the crap out of it regardless..you will jsut take longer to reach the cap and it won't get eaten in a melee on higher keys.
ocean yoke
Oh I’m sorry a bunch of cowards don’t want to shoot for the moon 2x max health g...
oh no sir im all in for this
urban portal
You could probably strip your armor down to 226 and check
hard vessel
It's still 55%...you will still spam the crap out of it regardless..you will js...
You just get way more uptime I think
median tulip
Hmmm. Does a Max HP calc for IP make the +Stamina on the Codex of the First Technique more valuable? Probably not...
grave crane
Probably not lol
mighty valley
tons of IP is just thrown away right now so
sharp dew
Won’t be usable in s4 anyways
ionic fern
You guys are even making me swear.
sullen valve
It probably just uses your characters currentMax hp for its ratio
sharp dew
Wasn’t usable ever
sullen valve
Its a very common thing in wow
grave crane
Wait do we want to use stam flasks now?
hoary bough
the way it's worded suggests it's your max hp 100% 
blazing condor
You guys are even making me swear.
broken
sullen valve
damage good
grave crane
That’s a meme dude
ocean yoke
codex is dope. people seem to only discuss the DR but the extra stam means larger absorbs, larger heals from indomitable, grove invig stacks.. ill admit my damage is usually sub 10k on most runs. but it's just so.. stable. comfortable. I'm never struggling to survive. I guess necro does the same thing, but I feel with fae it's so much less effort
chilly brook
IP capped at 50% hp would be poggies
median tulip
Wait do we want to use stam flasks now?
I doubt it
sharp dew
the way it's worded suggests it's your max hp 100% <:copium:839076283467431956>
I would coom
grave crane
I’m doing it to piss off mawhi
urban portal
Hmmm. Does a Max HP calc for IP make the +Stamina on the Codex of the First Tech...
The first of many
mighty valley
it's... all we're talking about lmao
urban portal
I told y’all people are gonna ask this
chilly brook
literally no idea on how good it is
median tulip
read up, lol
hoary bough
I would coom
same, i can survive wicked bolts 
chilly brook
can't know anything until we know the cap
hard vessel
Wait this kinda reads like it goes from 55 to 85
sullen valve
If its around 25% of current max hp its a net neutral buff roughly
If its above its a buff
If its below its a nerf
pulsar pendant
Fair, figured I'd ask in case someone had some deep knowledge on it 🤷♂️
hard vessel
Or 55 to 70
mighty valley
no
median tulip
We don't know, because we don't know what the cap is. But if the cap is over 20% of our max HP it's probably a buff, and if it's 25% of max HP it's a solid buff
mighty valley
nothing is changing about the DR%
strong forum
codex is dope. people seem to only discuss the DR but the extra stam means large...
Bad copy pasta
sullen valve
Why is bearfu here?
urban portal
Mwahi can tell me if I'm wrong but at the start of SL the % of IP relative to ma...
Oh it also is relation to your mastery
open bluff
nothing is changing about the DR%
literally says IP absorb % is increasing in the post
urban portal
Mastery gives ap
open bluff
ie how much IP absorbs, doesn't give us a cap
hard vessel
nothing is changing about the DR%
Would be giga broken but fun
hard vessel
Just give us the 70% absorb
mighty valley
it's the amount absorbed before IP runs out per cast, not the % damage is reduced
median tulip
literally says IP absorb % is increasing in the post
I read that as meaning the maximum HP value of the absorb shield, not the % of the damage taken that it absorbs
sweet summit
nome??
hoary bough
and if there's a good cap, oh god, the survivability when we start spamming
sullen valve
Oh it also is relation to your mastery
There are a ton of factors here that factor into the size of the absorb, ap or hp based, but at least with HP its very consistent compared to AP based
sharp dew
Pray for 30%+ max hp, pray for 50% 🙏
hoary bough
already popped my stam flask, put on codex and popped rally, ready to IP!!!!
sullen valve
PoV me looking at all the static hp increases you always get from BP systems 🚯
mighty valley
overall like that this is setting up IP as a slightly better ability for the future, regardless of how much it affects us right now
strong forum
Yes
median tulip
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-dont-make-me-destroy-you-destroy-th...
Think outside the box, Nome. And then take the box and hit someone with it.
hoary bough
run with a shaman with ancestral vigor
strong forum
overall like that this is setting up IP as a slightly better ability for the fut...
That's the only confirmed takeaway from this
mighty valley
that and slimy consumptive organ + codex is now bis trinkets
strong forum
IP will be alot stronger in situations where we don't generate 1.2k rage per minute
rough elm
grave crane
It’s 30% max now?
pulsar pendant
I'm interested to see how crazy this ends up stacking with fleshcraft
strong forum
No
median tulip
Oooh. If it's based on current Max HP (rather than base Max HP) then Rallying Cry and Last Stand stacking just got even tastier
grave crane
Are we big chilling cause j think we are
pulsar pendant
Oooh. If it's based on **current** Max HP (rather than *base* Max HP) then Rally...
Oh hmm, interesting
hoary bough
that would be godly
sullen valve
that would be too strong
hoary bough
not current hp, current max hp
lofty widget
just makes it scale with LS and rally
urban portal
Oh yeah
sullen valve
and deeping bond from covenant
hoary bough
it wouldn't be too strong, we don't even know what the % will even be
neat trout
im late to the discussion, how good is the 30% increase?
urban portal
30% better
neat trout
kek
urban portal
We don’t even know the meaning
sullen valve
The number I've been given on current IP cap : MaxHP
is 23%
So anything above that is gooder
anything belowthat is worser
sullen valve
Nobody knows
loud dome
mighty valley
oohhhh 30% is pretty gooooooooooooood
shut summit
median tulip
A thought just occurred to me: Time to make my guild's Shaman spec Ancestral Vigor
hoary bough
i didn't know prot war was getting so many buffs, people keep linking new buffs every minute!!!!!
sullen valve
ffs now i gotta go update wowhead
open bluff
so 85% absorb with a 30% maxhp cap
urban portal
SHEESH
pulsar pendant
Now I feel bad doing this earlier 😭
sullen valve
good buff
hard vessel
This is like 50k hp
urban portal
Wait so is it 30% bigger shield
pulsar pendant
Ohhhh good god
urban portal
Or is it absorbing more
median tulip
Oh Sheeeeeeet
open bluff
cap is 30% of your max hp
urban portal
I’m fairly sure it’s a bigger shield
hard vessel
How big of the key must it be to ever drop ip?
open bluff
it absorbs 30% more damage than it did before
urban portal
So it’s a bigger shield? Or a 85% dr
open bluff
so instead of absorbing 55% of damage up to the cap it now absorbs 85%
urban portal
Do we know
open bluff
it's both
mighty valley
The 55% DR lasts for 30% more damage than before - that's the clearest way I can put it
little estuary
That’s huge
median tulip
My max IP will go from ~25k to ~36k
urban portal
So it’s still 55%
open bluff
85% absorb, capped at 30% of your max hp
chrome falcon
no
hard vessel
If it's both we are double as broke. As blood dk
chrome falcon
it's not
hard vessel
So no way
chrome falcon
IP is still 55%
silk pine
With banner I had 33k before
chrome falcon
just the number on the tooltip will be 30% higher
lofty widget
every time you hit IP now its gonna be 30 % bigger
open bluff
then they need to reword it again
chrome falcon
it's not complicated
hard vessel
So like 50k shield per press?
median tulip
85% absorb, capped at 30% of your max hp
No, 30% more absorb in total, but only 50% from any given hit
chilly brook
30% cap is kinda nice ngl
lofty widget
absorb=number on IP tooltip
chrome falcon
your IPs are now bigger
hollow zodiac
30% that's a pretty big buff compared to now right?
chrome falcon
also the cap on IP is bigger
urban portal
Cap is how much you can stack
little estuary
So your IP’s last longer and are easier to keep up
urban portal
30% that's a pretty big buff compared to now right?
Yes
hard vessel
What do I need to pull to ever drop ip then?
mighty valley
IP has three numbers. The DR%, the total amount absorbed, and a (hidden) cap of how big the stack can be. The total amount and the cap are changing, not the DR%
chilly brook
So your IP’s last longer and are easier to keep up
it's not "easier to keep up" because it's not supposed to be kept up in the first place
it will just be eating more damage over the course of a key or raid
lofty widget
the larger cap is nice, but the absorb increase kinda useless with close to 100 % uptime already
hard vessel
But I mean I have tanked till 24s until 3 months ago and then stopped and basically felt I never drop ip, with this new absorb I will just get like insane uptime?
little estuary
Sorry I mean like, it won’t be as quickly depleted by incidental damage if you’re trying to use it for something bigger
Because you can prep more and easier
chilly brook
damage intake is large enough that 30% of your hp still gonna get eaten pretty fast
median tulip
IP has three numbers. The DR%, the total amount absorbed, and a (hidden) cap of ...
Yes, thank you, that's a clear way to describe it
chilly brook
like one swing from jailer
you're just gonna be taking less damage overall because IP will be doing more
hard vessel
OK say hello to my not moving up bar until a cast is going off
open mist
how does it sound for m+?
strong forum
its a buff
urban portal
Cap helps a lot when you get magic hit
strong forum
and on cast-per-cast basis IP will be 30% stronger
carmine pine
Buff better than nerf
hoary bough
it sounds like it'll do exactly what blizz want it to do, on those big block-heavy segments of a dungeon where IP never drops, it won't really do anything, but when you're getting shredded by magic dmg, it'll be really nice
hard vessel
Wait it's not like. 50k up per IP press?
mighty valley
it's fuckin numberwang in here now. but overall, good buff, we didn't really need it for right now, but it sets up IP better for DF
strong forum
i have 118k hp
uncut juniper
We need a pin with the most understandable wording for this change or this place is spinning out of control quite soon 😂
chilly brook
i have 118k hp
which would put you to about 35k unbuffed
hard vessel
Ye and with buff and new gear it could be like 50k?
hard vessel
Ah
silk pine
My warrior has 118k health 276 Iteamlvl right now with buff I would always get 35,4k IP. without buff and Banner 30.1k IP
hard vessel
Bigger cap and bigger per cast I get it
strong forum
yes
median tulip
So... unbuffed, I currently have 11,267 per IP use. That will rise to 14,647.
My current IP cap is 22,534, which will rise to 35,930
So... IP cap rises more than the IP value does. Cap is now roughly 2.5 full IPs
sharp dew
This+old warriors and aegis, prot looking thicc
silk pine
and IP will scale now With Rally and Last stand
hard vessel
So I guess perma rune weapon it still better
waxen orbit
They seriously want me to play S4 huh
urban portal
I mean
sharp dew
Confirmed nerfed?
strong forum
yes
hoary bough
yes, 10% per stack
sharp dew
That’s still huge
vestal moat
Nerfed but we still buy with dinar yes?
strong forum
aegis matrix/ows
just like always
scale was always MEH tier
and you wont be able to obtain a good ilvl scale in s4 anyway
hoary bough
ty, guess they're our dinars, along with a casual gavel mebbe
hard vessel
So I need to raid for fated raid gear? Sorry off topic
potent anvil
Any double dps trinket enjoyers?
chilly brook
just on the basis of OWS getting an ilvl increase it'll be better than anything out there even with a 10% nerf
strong forum
So I need to raid for fated raid gear? Sorry off topic
yes
median tulip
Scale got its rep in Season 1, before IP got buffed the first time
chilly brook
Any double dps trinket enjoyers?
yes
potent anvil
strong forum
and i wont buy shield either
median tulip
Is this the 3rd or the 4th IP buff in SL?
strong forum
2nd
chilly brook
I might start looking for a guild tbh for this next season
lusty wedge
How’s that buff for us? Poggers or meh
urban portal
No reason to buy shield tbh
hard vessel
Pls ping sb sth about the buff
strong forum
the buff is quite literally a 30% buff to IP
median tulip
No reason to buy shield tbh
Only buy a shield if it comes from the last 2 bosses in a raid
strong forum
in both cap size and absorb value
silk pine
How’s that buff for us? Poggers or meh
20% to IP cap probably
urban portal
Just kill the boss
And upgrade it
I sincerely doubt you’ll have troubles killing heroic lords
Or slg
strong forum
heroic will be quite easy
blizz stated they dont want you to re-prog
raids wont be extreme pushovers, but they'll be easier than when you did them the first time
chilly brook
unbuffed IP
bold nimbus
Any double dps trinket enjoyers?
Opc and phial atm 
hard vessel
I feel season of prot warrior meta
silk pine
My cap right now
bold nimbus
Ows is still worth geting right?
strong forum
banner buffs IP cap
chilly brook
idk maybe because I popped avatar?
jagged pier
yes
toxic pewter
All that’s left is bdk nerfs, into the ground I say!!!!! 🙂
strong forum
this is with str pot + banner + dark iron
30k without banner doesnt make any sense
did you pop IQD or smth?
and you have more vers or mastery?
chilly brook
did you pop IQD or smth?
no it's 30k with banner you dingus
carmine pine
Lol dingus
neat kernel
not a warrior player, is this buff poggers or doggers
toxic pewter
It’s great
pulsar pendant
Maybe this change will make my guild stop bullying me for playing warrior lol
jagged pier
if you're not a warrior player it doesn't matter
chilly brook
inb4 "I'm asking because we have a warrior tank"
dawn canyon
Maybe this change will make my guild stop bullying me for playing warrior lol
L guild
silk pine
Highest IP cap I could get
carmine pine
Big L
chilly brook
32.6 with pot rn is what I got
prisma crane
to clarify though, it's for sure going to 85% absorb instead of 55%? because i'll take that, higher % means it'll actually get used up more instead of refreshed at cap during higher rage windows
chilly brook
so like 42k post buff
median tulip
to clarify though, it's for sure going to 85% absorb instead of 55%? because i'l...
No
grave crane
No each cast is higher by 30%
prisma crane
got it
strong forum
The IP Buff coming to Protection Warrior in Season 4 of SL is a straight up 30% buff to absorption size (from 10k to 13k(not the 55%mitigation))
and the cap will be 30% of your max hp which is roughly a ~30% effective buff to its current cap unless youve been running a vers and mastery heavy setup. (36k at 120k HP)
No its not worth it to stack stamina now, nothing changes in terms of gearing.
prisma crane
thanks
median tulip
to clarify though, it's for sure going to 85% absorb instead of 55%? because i'l...
The DR% is not changing; the maximum value of the absorb shield is changing
prisma crane
imo they should change the DR, but w/e
silk pine
I got Fleshcraft Mastery + Banner + Pot + Dwarf Racial
prisma crane
overall it only really matters if you're capping IP anyways
prisma crane
90% felt good in legion
chilly brook
no
strong forum
overall it only really matters if you're capping IP anyways
nah, its literally 30% more absorb
prisma crane
and having the cap be like 150% of our HP was funny
chilly brook
legion felt good because you could stack it 6x
strong forum
on a cast-per-cast basis
prisma crane
nah, its literally 30% more absorb
i'm referring to a higher DR
strong forum
ah
chilly brook
had really nothing to do with absorb %
toxic pewter
So does it mean we will mitigate more damage over time and if so how much more I guess 30% more than we used to?
Even though 55 is the same
urban portal
Yeah about right
median tulip
The Inspiring Presence conduit just got even better. Not that it needed it, but hey, I'll take it
pulsar pendant
Same % damage, more cap
chilly brook
the damage removed from you is the same at 55% if it caps at 6x or 90% at the same cap
prisma crane
the actually DR doesnt matter unless you're IP is falling off due to duration (rare if ever) or it's not being used faster than you're applying it
toxic pewter
Does this mean anything though cuz aren’t we spamming ip anyways does the cap mean anything in practice
chilly brook
right so it being 90% doesn't matter
median tulip
So does it mean we will mitigate more damage over time and if so how much more I...
It'll be harder to hit the cap (cap is rising to about 2.5* the value of a single IP), but we will still overcap it sometimes
chilly brook
the cap of the actual absorb value is what matters
strong forum
Does this mean anything though cuz aren’t we spamming ip anyways does the cap me...
we are spamming IP alot `?
chilly brook
Does this mean anything though cuz aren’t we spamming ip anyways does the cap me...
less wasted absorb?
toxic pewter
I mean to not overcap ya
prisma crane
the damage removed from you is the same at 55% if it caps at 6x or 90% at the sa...
assuming no caps are hit when you have rage to dump
potent anvil
Pretty sure you can cap frequently.
toxic pewter
On rage I mean
chilly brook
each hit will be less damage you take
pulsar pendant
I spam the crap out of IP for banner duration
chilly brook
one IP with banner hits the cap atm
prisma crane
the fact that we can cap IP frequently imo is why they need to increase the DR as well, so it actually gets used up
chilly brook
but one IP goes away in one swing
median tulip
I hit the IP capp all the time. Still will with this change, but I will lose less to the cap than before.
chilly brook
but at the end of the day if you press IP that means that you take out ~42k with current gear levels post buff
as opposed to 32k
so that adds up significantly
And spoiler alert
health levels are going up
toxic pewter
True
chilly brook
so that 42k is gonna be a lot higher
strong forum
yeah this is quite a decently sized buff
hoary bough
some might call it...
median tulip
Hmmmm. Is there any value in using Emeni for the Emeni's Magnificent Skin buff?
hoary bough
healthy
strong forum
like it does have a bigger impact than the previous IP buff
prisma crane
but spoiler alert, damage intake is going to be higher as well, so that aspect doesnt matter as much
open mist
changes are active on ptr now?
sharp dew
And hp increasing buffs/cds
strong forum
but spoiler alert, damage intake is going to be higher as well, so that aspect d...
and so will our own defensives?
strong forum
like i take less dmg rn than ive taken in s1
prisma crane
and so will our own defensives?
i'm just saying that the relative gain is 30% regardless of ilvl buffs, etc
urban portal
Yeah of course
strong forum
urban portal
A bit more
strong forum
this was TOP 22 when i was boosting
urban portal
Since cap
strong forum
so yeah
chilly brook
so add another 400k to that
strong forum
thisll be a decent bit of a buff
prisma crane
so health increasing is a moot point
strong forum
ye
chilly brook
I wouldn't say moot
hoary bough
it'll be so nice for when groups just aren't kicking the wicked bolts
prisma crane
that said, now at least there's "some" additional benefit to Stam trinkets
chilly brook
for starters
sharp dew
Ls/ rally/fleshcraft/ shammy/fort buff etc all benefit
chilly brook
we're probably going up another 10-15k
strong forum
buffing IP cap size by 1% because of a stam trinket does NOT give meaningful value
prisma crane
hence the " marks
chilly brook
so we're gonna probably around 42k unbuffed IPs
hoary bough
i say it'll help with wicked bolts... but we don't have wicked bolts anymore, huh
strong forum
dont even start it as a meme
sharp dew
Do you still play often Krotos?
toxic pewter
What does it mean if we running heavy vers build does that mean we benefit less or more from the 30% increase to ip cap
chilly brook
so probably 50-55k IPs in s4 when you're geared and have buffs
napkin maths of course
prisma crane
Do you still play often Krotos?
not like i used to, much more casually, still like to fuck around from time to time though, i do miss raiding though :/
median tulip
What will gain some value is Mastery and Versatility, as both increase the size of your IP multiplicatively with the value increase they are implementing.
prisma crane
Do you still play often Krotos?
how've you been?
toxic pewter
Interesting
median tulip
Note: Some value. Not an amazing amount
sharp dew
not like i used to, much more casually, still like to fuck around from time to t...
Same, I’m gonna have to learn 3 raid tiers so I can get my tokens cuz I haven’t raided at all in SL lmao. Been pretty good, life is busy unlike the legion days
prisma crane
so probably 50-55k IPs in s4 when you're geared and have buffs
its still a moot point because everything is going to go up like it always was in the first place due to higher ilvl, the net gain will always be roughly 30% with potentially better scenarios wrt overcapping IP, which is a benefit enjoyed the same across basically all ilvls
chilly brook
I assure you
sharp dew
CN and SoD arent very complex to tank
Gonna be pugging it all so hopefully it goes “well”
prisma crane
Same, I’m gonna have to learn 3 raid tiers so I can get my tokens cuz I haven’t ...
hell yea, it's not bad, you'll pick it up pretty quick, SL dungeons just arent as fun as Legion, so M+ is w/e, i'm also with you on the busy RL >.<
chilly brook
IP has not been increasing 30% per tier
prisma crane
^
urban portal
The cap is harder to say
prisma crane
never did i say it went up 30% per tier, it went up 30% per new notes for S4
urban portal
I think both of you are just misunderstanding
prisma crane
i'm saying the additional ilvl will have no impact on a 30% gain because they're multiplicative of each other
toxic pewter
How impactful is the ip cap anyway, are we hitting the cap a lot i don’t even pay attention and I use zero addons
chilly brook
How impactful is the ip cap anyway, are we hitting the cap a lot i don’t even pa...
yes
urban portal
Ip cap is big
median tulip
The cap is harder to say
I mean the cap increase means less overcapping, as it's now higher than 2 full IPs
chilly brook
Literally one cast of IP is capping me rn
toxic pewter
What if the current way it factors cap
prisma crane
yea, it has more to do with the less cap hitting, the net benefit with hitting a cap removed from the equation is still 30%
urban portal
Yes
toxic pewter
Ok
urban portal
55% ish
lofty widget
much less
toxic pewter
Yeah
lofty widget
probably morel ike 5-10 %
prisma crane
my point is that while yes you'll be gaining HP (which it'll now be tied to), under the current scenario you'd still be gaining STR which would affect the current cap as well, which means the gain is still relatively the same, regardless of ilvl
swift bay
any hope for warrior to be more meta in line with BDK / Pala / Monk with the buff or just a decent buff but nothing special
lofty widget
since the cap is going from roughly 23 % max hp to 30
lofty widget
any hope for warrior to be more meta in line with BDK / Pala / Monk with the buf...
we were already top 2 tied with monk or even ahead depends who you ask
swift bay
forgot to mention, talking about M+
lofty widget
yes
prisma crane
give us a 200 rage cap
toxic pewter
I’m down for 40 rage ip will help with banner uptime
median tulip
any hope for warrior to be more meta in line with BDK / Pala / Monk with the buf...
The issue isn't our relative power level. The issue is that Protection Warrior is harder to play than the other tanks.
urban portal
Pally just piss easy to play
strong forum
pally has a low skill floor, high skill ceiling
pwar has a high skill floor and even higher skill ceiling
thats its issue
pwars relative powerlevel is above pally
toxic pewter
We going to be number 1 season 4. We all as a community will own so hard it will be glorious
prisma crane
tardy sequoia
do i still have to wait the weekly cache to craft mythic quality tier set, or given the increased ilvl, dungeon drop is enough?
strong forum
youll have to wait for weekly
prisma crane
i dont wanna be meta
i'd rather be fun to play than be meta
strong forum
we are fun to play
tardy sequoia
oh shoot
strong forum
ultra high apm
swift bay
i see, actually the last time i pushed with warrior was last season of BFA, that's why i'm asking rn, hate the BDK
prisma crane
not as fun as we used to be
toxic pewter
Does this place get worse when we meta just get lot of new people that don’t know what they’re doing or wat
strong forum
we are more fun?
lofty widget
Does this place get worse when we meta just get lot of new people that don’t kno...
just a lot of repeating the same things
toxic pewter
Yeah damn that would suck I take back what I said
prisma crane
i disagree personally, and more referring to legion than bfa
warm plinth
i disagree personally, and more referring to legion than bfa
What the fuck, are we in Legion rn? What's Krotos doing here
prisma crane
i'm supposed to be working so i'd rather be here lol
toxic pewter
Bring back neltharian fury
warm plinth
We getting the gang back together? Legion Skyhold crew?
prisma crane
ha
yea like 35k of my messages sent in this discord are from Legion
of my roughly 38k or w/e it is now
toxic pewter
Anyone notice they “adjusted” tazavesh count or something. Anyone know what that’s about? I guess to account for the dreadlords?
urban portal
Yeah
prisma crane
We getting the gang back together? Legion Skyhold crew?
could be fun, but idk if Cosmo still plays and i don't see Thyme much
warm plinth
Thyme isn't playing
prisma crane
damn
warm plinth
I already asked if he was coming back in S4 and he said no 😦
hoary bough
pwar has a high skill floor and even higher skill ceiling
this is weirdly the appeal for prot warr with me, i'm garbage at it, and because i get my ass kicked for being garbage, i feel super motivated to improve, as opposed to getting away with being shit and developing bad habits/dependencies
toxic pewter
Right now is best time to come back
prisma crane
probably the smart play lol
strong forum
this is weirdly the appeal for prot warr with me, i'm garbage at it, and because...
current pwar rewards good play immensly
like the difference between a good and a mediocre pwar are already massive
hoary bough
yeah, i quite like that you can't get away with playing poorly too
strong forum
and the diff between bad and good are literal floorpov
a bad pwar wont see the light of day, a good one wont take dmg
prisma crane
this is weirdly the appeal for prot warr with me, i'm garbage at it, and because...
this is great, but it does suck that typically in most games the hardest to play are rewarded with being the best as well, so it can be rough when we're both the hardest to play as well as tuned the lowest, either numerically or via our relative kit to other tanks
hoary bough
i'm floorpov atm, but i'm also kind of undergeared, newish char, saved all my flux for s4, so i'm rocking around with 0pc until i get m+ gear in s4
kind spruce
how was the buffs we got rolling into s4 ive been playing my warrior alot lately
dawn canyon
Youll get there man
lofty widget
how was the buffs we got rolling into s4 ive been playing my warrior alot lately
its pinned
hoary bough
i'm guessing the tier set adds a shit load of rage, i already feel i've a lot of rage, but not quite overcapping like mad yet
prisma crane
how was the buffs we got rolling into s4 ive been playing my warrior alot lately
call it 30% to your current IP value
solemn current
Being that the new IP cap will be based on HP instead of 2 IPs, do we actually know what the set cap will be based on the HP? I'm assuming it's a percentage?
dawn canyon
i'm guessing the tier set adds a shit load of rage, i already feel i've a lot of...
Oh yea ur missing out big time
Banner loop actually isnt possible without 4 set
kind spruce
how big is that for warriors im like a newbie warrior atm
strong forum
i'm guessing the tier set adds a shit load of rage, i already feel i've a lot of...
tierset enables Necrolord to have 100% banner uptime
dawn canyon
2 set rather
lofty widget
how big is that for warriors im like a newbie warrior atm
its fine
strong forum
up to getting 1.2k rage per minute
hoary bough
tierset enables Necrolord to have 100% banner uptime
this explains why i've had such bad luck with banner so far
chilly brook
its still a moot point because everything is going to go up like it always was i...
I looked back at logs, IP value in terms of absorb on average only went up by 20% each tier until this most recent which went bonkers at like 40% because of banner
hoary bough
i feel like i just run out, usually with 30s left on banner cd
chilly brook
so it's not moot
strong forum
how big is that for warriors im like a newbie warrior atm
its a decent chunk of surv gain
90sec of banner without tier requires god tier reprisal usage
and lust
and execute
kind spruce
ive mained bear this season wasnt the most fun lol
dawn canyon
Prot is like the polar opposite to bear
hoary bough
wow, so tier set gives you that much? maybe i'm not as garbage as i thought lmao
dawn canyon
In effort required
prisma crane
so it's not moot
the part i called moot was referring to the ilvl gain wrt the net gain from the buff
chilly brook
the part i called moot was referring to the ilvl gain wrt the net gain from the ...
but it's not
kind spruce
yeh ive played most of the tanks this season my dh is the lowest
lofty widget
is tier that much more rage per/sec?
hoary bough
i reprisal like crazy, using up charges + intervene on cd, my weakness is spamming IP when i could be spending revenge, just to try and keep banner up, since revenge spending feels too slow
lofty widget
just checked a random log and i had 240 outburst SS's for 7200 rage total over 38 minutes
strong forum
combine that with the added necrolord banner uptime
chilly brook
literally if we had this back in CN we would have had a higher cap than we did in SoD
so it's hardly moot
prisma crane
but it's not
i'm not about to fill this chat with what i'm talking about but just know that i have a feeling you think im talking about something i'm not
strong forum
7200 rage is alot
dawn canyon
i reprisal like crazy, using up charges + intervene on cd, my weakness is spammi...
With tier you're probably giga omega fine then
strong forum
thats 72 full rage bars
chilly brook
i'm not about to fill this chat with what i'm talking about but just know that i...
you're trying to say it's moot because everything else scales as well i.e. damage etc. but it's not because this is literally better than just normal ilvl scaling that we had
lofty widget
fair
hoary bough
With tier you're probably giga omega fine then
i'm so fkn hyped to get tier, i've so many 278 pieces, but i've just been holding back because of all the 288 i can farm next week
strong forum
like its not just outburst that grants alot of rage
through getting that rage from tierset
you enable banner to grant you more rage aswell
its the good ol feedback loop
strong forum
pre-tierset we were at ~500-600 rage per minute
hoary bough
i love feedback loops, reminds me of enhancement shaman's doggo feedback loop
dawn canyon
i'm so fkn hyped to get tier, i've so many 278 pieces, but i've just been holdin...
How much flux you have?
strong forum
now with tierset and necro we reach up to 1.2k rage per minute
dawn canyon
If you got like 20k is just send it
prisma crane
you're trying to say it's moot because everything else scales as well i.e. damag...
that's not what i was referring to. you said you will go from about 32k to 42k, and then proceeded to say that the extra HP from higher ilvl would make that even better, what i said was that it would make it better from a cap perspective, but the relative gain of 42/32 would remain effectively unchanged due to the higher ilvl giving you more HP
strong forum
from 9.1 to 9.2 we literally DOUBLED our rage gen
open gazelle
Ooo IP buff
dawn canyon
Need 4 set for early s4 keys
hoary bough
How much flux you have?
on the char? about 3k maybe, i've got 12 alts tho, and i've a farmed a vault for them, so they can take cosmic flux and feed my warrior
open gazelle
What fing trinkets am I going to use because scale getting merged
strong forum
the actual good trinkets of SL
drifting fable
its only like 6k for 4 set right?
strong forum
5k
dawn canyon
on the char? about 3k maybe, i've got 12 alts tho, and i've a farmed a vault for...
Do the one time treasures it's ≈4k flux
Do lfr for 1kish
hoary bough
already done, spent on leggos
chilly brook
``CN stats
HP: 71k
Max IP Value: 14464
SoD stats
HP: 91k
Max IP Value: 19819``
That's a 22% increase in HP and 28% to IP cap
lofty widget
What fing trinkets am I going to use because scale getting merged
ows+rdm
drifting fable
i agree with phil, i would try and get 4 set to roll into S4, its not like you wont get more flux
open gazelle
Ows got nerfed
lofty widget
still bonkers
drifting fable
ows probably just got reigned in
chilly brook
However if you applied the same buff we're getting the IP at CN would have been 21,300
dawn canyon
It's like nerfing COF
strong forum
What fing trinkets am I going to use because scale getting merged
first of all, Scale wont be in s4 anyway, so it it wouldve been dead regardless of the nerf, secondly, scale wasnt even that good in current season, thirdly, aegis/matrix/ows are massively superior
dawn canyon
Still bis
slow nova
what are we buying in season 4? 😄
chilly brook
It's not nearly the same
strong forum
Ows got nerfed
only by 10%, its still 1.8x better than soleahs
open gazelle
What’s rdm?
strong forum
reactive defense matrix
lofty widget
defense matrix from guardian in SoD
lofty widget
what are we buying in season 4? 😄
ows+rdm+end-boss shield personally
cinder storm
Aegis dont waste token imo, since its easier to obtain
drifting fable
fair point
lofty widget
ive been thinking aegis is kinda overkill recently
slow nova
thanks
drifting fable
its the 9 after all
strong forum
yeah aegis is likely to be overkill
chilly brook
that's not what i was referring to. you said you will go from about 32k to 42k,...
the relative gain isn't somehow canceled out, just because muh scaling as this scales much better than how we did previously
strong forum
sense barely found use for it in 28/29s this season even
chilly brook
in terms of everything else going up and our own stats going up
lofty widget
i cast it like 5 times in a 27 after a 3 month break
chilly brook
this is a much better version of scaling in comparison
hoary bough
first dinar is going on OWS, so can wait 3 weeks before deciding anyway
chilly brook
which is what I'm attempting to illustrate by using the previous tier scaling
strong forum
yeah, defensive trinkets are really not necessary
hoary bough
or 5 weeks actually? i think 5 weeks we get the 2nd dinar, right?
strong forum
i personally have NEVER used a defensive trinket this season
lofty widget
or 5 weeks actually? i think 5 weeks we get the 2nd dinar, right?
yeh
prisma crane
this is a much better version of scaling in comparison
again, you're looking at different math. idk how else to explain this to you
strong forum
or 5 weeks actually? i think 5 weeks we get the 2nd dinar, right?
within 5 weeks youll get all 3 dinars
lofty widget
1 dinar ever 30-20-10 boss kills
hoary bough
i thought it was 6 weeks 3 dinars
strong forum
they nerfed the requirements to get dinars
strong forum
first one is 30 yes
hoary bough
then 10 and 10?
hollow kayak
Regarding that IP change. Do we know anything specific about it? The italic text says it's to improve survivability, but it also uses the word "constrain". Seems like mixed singles.
prisma crane
which is what I'm attempting to illustrate by using the previous tier scaling
i'm not saying the buff is moot, or the swap to HP scaling for cap is either
hollow kayak
ty, sorry, didnt realize it was discussed already.
blazing condor
the new buff is just QOL for us right
like we already press IP all the time anyway
drifting fable
pretty much
blazing condor
its just a passive buff
chilly brook
i'm not saying the buff is moot, or the swap to HP scaling for cap is either
you literally did by saying the max hp thing is moot
hoary bough
hopefully this buff will let me farm 288 gear with 0pc
lofty widget
i mean it is a slight buff in certain cases where you take your entire IP in one hit
strong forum
its just a passive buff
its literally a 30% buff
blazing condor
prisma crane
you literally did by saying the max hp thing is moot
i will repeat, you think that i'm referring to something that i am not
chilly brook
so health increasing is a moot point
see here
drifting fable
for sure
strong forum
my presumption is that mastery/vers will only affect the cast size, but not the cap size
chilly brook
those never interacted in the first place
strong forum
regardless of that, you both are arguing semantics
chilly brook
as IP was never based on your actual HP to begin with
open gazelle
What trinkets you running week 1 season 4 m+?
chilly brook
lofty widget
ill prob run opc+phial
prisma crane
as IP was never based on your actual HP to begin with
no shit, and that's never what i argued in the first place, i'm going to drop this because you're clearly missing my point
strong forum
opc+soleah for me
drifting fable
whatever we have from s3. scale, soleahs, opc, phial, sack
hoary bough
phial will be poop s4, since you can't get it, no?
strong forum
yes
hoary bough
oh, week 1
lofty widget
for the first week
hoary bough
i didn't read that, ye
strong forum
week 1 and 2 youll be gearing
not pushing
so you dont need any trinkets but dmg trinkets
hoary bough
i'll be using the only trinkets i have, OPC and lihuvim tank trinket
hoary bough
oh yeah, without OWS, how much haste do i want to gun for?
broken hinge
Do we know what the actual secondary percentages that we get from the affix will be for s4?
strong forum
?
hoary bough
oh wow, so no capping at all, just spam haste as much as possible, like bdks with gavel?
strong forum
yeah
bold nimbus
Prot goes brrrt
strong forum
Do we know what the actual secondary percentages that we get from the affix will...
2%crit/haste
80 mastery
1% vers
2 stacks per miniboss, 4 stacks per named miniboss
hoary bough
BIG
pulsar pendant
Gonna be so nutty for mastery heavy dps for those of us that run banner. Gonna be able to scale damage really really high
strong forum
it varies from dungeon to dungeon how many stacks you can get
cursive bridge
Oh is it 2 per miniboss? I thought it was 1 and 3
open gazelle
Interested to see if versa overtakes haste later on for key pushing
strong forum
from as little as 11 stacks in workshop to presumably 30+ in larger keys
strong forum
Interested to see if versa overtakes haste later on for key pushing
nah
drifting fable
are the dreadlords like the same frequency as the encrypted orbs? or more
broken hinge
Ah, that is spicy
strong forum
whats better
30% vers
or 60% multiplicative haste
LOL
pretty easy choice if you ask me
broken hinge
or 60% multiplicative haste
What about my wrist though
open gazelle
For tanks only I mean
lofty widget
vers-stacking is cringe for survival purposes
strong forum
especially when you give up twice of the amount of other stats
haste is by far our best stat defensively
hoary bough
your group picks the stat, right? it's not an individual stat every person chooses?
strong forum
everybody individually
cinder storm
we should
drifting fable
would be kinda troll otherwise
hoary bough
i imagine 90% of people will want to go haste anyway
cinder storm
everyone should be running haste
strong forum
vdh, pwar and bdk will pick haste
bear will pick haste or crit
pally will pick mastery
monk will pick crit
urban portal
How does crit work with bear?
lofty widget
is it worth taking crit for 
ever?
urban portal
It doesn’t give parry %
drifting fable
was wondering the same at a lower key or something
but the haste seems just nasty
urban portal
So it’s purely offensive
strong forum
How does crit work with bear?
its just damage for them
bears mastery is meh
vers is dogshit from affix
open gazelle
Can ows kill you?
open gazelle
Heals you or your team?
strong forum
ah you mean that
open gazelle
I thought you sacrifice your health
strong forum
it can kill you i think, but youd need to be REALLY FUCKING LOW HP
lofty widget
pretty impressive if ows kills you tbh
drifting fable
the situations is probably pretty grim by that point then
urban portal
Yeah you would’ve died to air right after
strong forum
yeah if youre at a point where ows would kill you, youd die literally 0,1sec later
open gazelle
I dont like it but it’s the only haste trinket we get I think
strong forum
drifting fable
you dont like just free haste?
strong forum
for the record
open gazelle
I don’t like the sacrifice health part is all
strong forum
a pwar below 50% hp is really close to death
drifting fable
^
urban portal
It’s 2k
open gazelle
Eats into our IP
urban portal
1 and 20 is the same amount of hp
strong forum
bro.
open gazelle
Is all
lofty widget
it's an irrelevant amount of dmg
urban portal
So what
drifting fable
who cares
lofty widget
like OPC levels of dmg
strong forum
1 press of ignore pain heals you for over 3k right now
drifting fable
we press IP so fucking much
lofty widget
but no one complains about that
strong forum
HEAL
drifting fable
probably more often than ows ticks you