does that big chunk of vers help negate spening rage on anythhing but execute eg shhield block?
#protection
sand pebble
chilly brook
Sigil vs phial is largely down to fight timings
strong forum
even if you only get 1 use
chilly brook
does that big chunk of vers help negate spening rage on anythhing but execute eg...
Wdym
Since when is rage an issue
vestal moat
Should we get Sigil over ows
strong forum
if a boss is in execute, you dont press IP unless you fear for your life
chilly brook
And every execute is like 4% hp back anyways
dry spear
We start progress tomorrow on ryga. Fight is over 5 min?
strong forum
Should we get Sigil over ows
nah, sigil is an easy farm
strong forum
ryg is just over 5min if youre mad pump
5:40 to 7min boss
so you use Sigil on pull
then hold until execute
chilly brook
even if you only get 1 use
Sigil low key one of my favorite trinkets despite being a 5m
minor helm
Sigil owns
chilly brook
It’s actually so nice to have the flexibility
strong forum
its rare to have a trinket with such a long CD be so strong
but only in raid for tank*
in m+ its not good
chilly brook
I’m sure it has it’s uses in m+ but I would just use something else that’s generally better in all cases
strong forum
for bosses its ofc sick for execute still in m+
but its hard to get value out of packs for it as tank
chilly brook
for bosses its ofc sick for execute still in m+
High tyran keys it might be worth running just for that
strong forum
idk bout that
chilly brook
But again you’re talking niche cases for something like sigil in keys
strong forum
keys are so much more than just bosses on high levels
80% of the key is still trash mobs
chilly brook
I know
strong forum
lots of HP to chew through
chilly brook
But high tyran keys there’s usually one boss that will brick your run as opposed to a trash pull
chilly brook
Big facts
Tldr the cases you’d consider using sigil in keys are so highly situational you’re better off running something that does something for you the whole run and doesn’t require any extra thinking
strong forum
yup
stat sticks usually translate the best into keys these days cuz trinket swapping is illegal
which im still 
about
strong forum
Imagine actually being able to unequip a defensive trinket when you don't need it and instead be able to equip a dps trinket
:gasp:
And then equip said defensive trinket for dangerous pull X
:gasp:
oblique garnet
No
strong forum
Just make it so you can only have 2 diff set of trinkets
Boom done
No hardcore trinket rotating
If that's gonna be your argument
waxen orbit
Just make it so you can only have 2 diff set of trinkets
That’s the move right there
That I’d totally be fine with
Thwump approved
oblique garnet
Yeah ok so youd switch between seismic and reprisal aswell in keys because well thats the sort of degeneracy that comes out of it assuming 0 limitations
blazing condor
yes
strong forum
Nah only trinkets
oblique garnet
It would be good for a while but turn into a major hassle in less than couple of weeks
strong forum
Nah the swapping if on CD is good
urban portal
and dont need to optimize
oblique garnet
Then its pointless
strong forum
Cuz 8/10 pulls you don't need defensive trinkets
How is it pointless
You can rotate between 2 dmg trinkets as dps
mighty valley
this is not a thought through take but some days i want trinkets removed. or redesigned so heavily that they're just something else
strong forum
And tank between dmg and defensive
oblique garnet
How long the cd would be?
strong forum
0
oblique garnet
Yeah so 30 seconds then in on use trinkets
oblique garnet
Yeah no
strong forum
So you can swap every 2 packs or w/e
Or a 5min idk
I just hate the idea of running a defensive trinket and just blanket use it for the fuck of it cuz I don't need it for 90%of the key
sand pebble
give us a passive damage and passive def trinket that hhas an on use swap
strong forum
I'm fine with 1 on use trinket
sand pebble
same i like 1 use 1 passive
strong forum
But I just don't wanna be in the situation of not having the need of a defensive trinket but still needing to run it for very specific scenarios in key X so you have a semi dead slot for the majority of a key
When in raid I can easily opt out of said trinket based on the boss
chilly brook
Yeah ok so youd switch between seismic and reprisal aswell in keys because well ...
that's how it was in legion and it made 0 difference in the success rate of 95% of peoples keys
oblique garnet
Ofc not
strong forum
It also didn't hurt anybody
chilly brook
Anyone who complained about it wasn't even in a position where it mattered to care
ionic fern
Anyone who complained about it wasn't even in a position where it mattered to ca...
That can be said about almost half the topics in WoW. 😂
chilly brook
The people who did it and were in a position to care didn't because they automatically wanted to do whatever gave them an edge anyways
And OPie made it so painless
chilly brook
That can be said about almost half the topics in WoW. 😂
true based and real
strong forum
Gear swapping 5x a sec so you'd keep your stacks up out of combat cuz of legendary
So you'd be in perma ramp
oblique garnet
Why is it always the shadow priests who find the dumbest cheeses and abuse them the most
strong forum
Well that was blatant exploiting
oblique garnet
What is it about that class
minor helm
Too much spaghetti in their class code
strong forum
But everyone else only had the avoidance set and just trinket rotation
And 99%of players did neither
And it didn't hurt anybody except forum people's feelings
chilly brook
What is it about that class
becoming a spend the resource bar spec
minor helm
Wow forum players are the pinnacle
minor helm
Only slightly ahead of wowhead commenters
cinder storm
but behind of reddit commenters
strong forum
I'm gonna be curious about a soon tm wowhead post comment section
minor helm
mighty valley
these things would hurt me because i feel compelled to do optimizations that are available to me but also i am quite lazy
strong forum
these things would hurt me because i feel compelled to do optimizations that are...
They hurt you just like not having 285 ilvl from mythic raid
You can still do 99% of content without it
chrome falcon
ok yeah all you mfs told me CE was going away today
big lies
frick you
excellent question! don't ask me ask the LIARS in here
minor helm
Kinda your own fault
oblique garnet
ok yeah all you mfs told me CE was going away today
You actually believed me? When i havent played in a while 
strong forum
ok yeah all you mfs told me CE was going away today
Nobody said that
Aotc and CE will remain open for all of S4
Same as mount drops
minor helm
Negatory
chrome falcon
quite literally Late said that nomer but go off
mighty valley
the feats are going away
chrome falcon
but yes i should not have believed him
minor helm
Just mounts stay the same
chrome falcon
and you're also wrong nomer!
minor helm
CE and AOtC are gone next week
strong forum
Ah well
minor helm
Just got posted in news
strong forum
chrome falcon
i really need to stick to my gut feeling that i've had since legion that i'm the only person in this discord who knows what they're actually talking about
strong forum
Dun care about CE or aotc
minor helm
mighty valley
the s3 raids are gonna be a huge joke next patch so CE wouldn't really make sense
minor helm
Cause of ilvl upping they didn’t wanna keep it
oblique garnet
They posted long ago that ce aotc would go away with s4
cinder storm
that's why they made jailer a joke
minor helm
They said it wouldn’t be fair to the players who got it in s3
oblique garnet
In my defense @chrome falcon i was under the impression that s4 would start now but guess i was lied to
strong forum
Imagine caring bout cheevos tho
minor helm
Real and true
chrome falcon
i'll allow you to be wrong late because you're a blue name but i'm very disappointed in thwump
sand pebble
it appears the entire foundation of skyhhold is a lie
oblique garnet
Are you even bri’ish
sand pebble
exactly
shut summit
cant believe people with non-brown names smh
minor helm
Yes innit
strong forum
Red name only truers
oblique garnet
Red names actually spend money to get a different color in discord server 
oblique garnet
Yeah but i dont get color with it only access to cross server emojis
Since its the cheap one with no boost
What benefits do i actually get from the higher price one that allows me to boost?
minor helm
I’m just bad with money
oblique garnet
Use stickers woo proper facebook feature
sand pebble
stream to discord in hhigher rez
yeah but you can pay extra for the ability to stream trash at hhigher rez
oblique garnet
stream to discord in hhigher rez
Thats with the default one
sand pebble
my fucking h key having a moment
oblique garnet
Lmk when you upload 100mb files to discord
modern brook
Lmao paying for free services
blazing condor
^
blazing condor
check ur rich privilege
u got swollen balls
you should get that checked
ok sorry
oblique garnet
Thats 3 days worth of food
sand pebble
whho gets the cash fro boosting a server?
minor helm
Yeah I groom how can you tell?
sand pebble
wait people pay for winrar?
cinder storm
you can
modern brook
Shame on me
Discord is making gamers soft
They don't know what it's like to have to be in Skype with randos
The pain of maintaining a ventrillo smh
strong forum
I only had ventrilo for like a year
sand pebble
same
strong forum
When I was in a British bad company 2 clan
modern brook
Absolutely based sentence
modern brook
Skype is teams now iirc
cinder storm
I was a mumble user
pallid quiver
any mumble gamers? thats when you know youve really been in the voip hole for too long
Ah shit
Was beaten to it
modern brook
Mumble is a gross middle child of voip solutions
drifting fable
teamspeak3 baby
cinder storm
back when you could do unlimited international calls from msn
sand pebble
premade av vent days
modern brook
The objectively correct move was ventillo->teamspeak
sand pebble
vent -> discord
drifting fable
i liked ts alot
modern brook
And u used Skype with your normy friends who just found out what video calls were
drifting fable
compared to mumb/vent
modern brook
Yeah ventrillo sucked ass
Which is why it was so great
It acted as it's own gate keeping
oblique garnet
We used to use skype with irls
strong forum
Same
oblique garnet
The call quality was based on whoever was calling and since we are not a 3rd world nation everyone had good internet
Now everything is done on discord 
vestal moat
I was in a 'hardcore' raid once where the RL didnt want the rest of the raid to hear our tanks talking with one another so made us get on a skype with just each other as well as discord.
strong forum
I don't miss Skype
strong forum
I was in a 'hardcore' raid once where the RL didnt want the rest of the raid to ...
Not entirely uncommon
Healers also do that
modern brook
I was in a 'hardcore' raid once where the RL didnt want the rest of the raid to ...
Rl just didn't like you guys tbh
urban portal
i think on halon they made everyone sit in a discord channel
and then also in a private duo room
at least thats what bdgg did
oblique garnet
Our first halondrus kill was great
No speaking whatsoever until last 10% theres couple of calls
mighty valley
i went teamspeak -> vent -> (teamspeak got better but we didn't care and stayed on vent) -> mumble for the last days
chrome falcon
yeah if you're in an actual real hardcore/bleeding edge guild exiling the tanks is reasonable
oblique garnet
No
chrome falcon
at least thats what bdgg did
yeah i think anyone doing pre-pre-nerf halondrus did that or a variation
distant crystal
we had a couple nights of pulls before the timer nerf
chrome falcon
not literally kicking them off discord obviously
distant crystal
such a different fight
chrome falcon
but making them do all their tank-based comms alone
minor helm
Nah don’t just exile them send em straight to hell
oblique garnet
but making them do all their tank-based comms alone
What like movement etc?
Every melee will hate you if you dont give any headsup that you are moving
minor helm
Yeah I hate you already for suggesting it
chrome falcon
i didn't say movement sir you said that
like tank swaps/figuring out mechanics/CD callouts
there's a lot of comms to do when you're very early in a tier and low geared tanking shit
raid doesn't need to hear any of it
modern brook
Smh I love that talk
oblique garnet
I dont agree with that at all
modern brook
It let's me know when the pulls are going to be ended by the dame 4 dps who refuse to learn rather than the tanks learning the fight
chrome falcon
well you're welcome to not agree with it but it's what all the top top top guilds do
modern brook
It's a good marker for when I cab start being a rager
oblique garnet
Discussing fights as a raid is better
Tanks speaking about w/e tank shit gets tuned out unless it involves movement or they call for externals
distant crystal
just not discussing with the other tank and winging it poorly is the move
urban portal
Every melee will hate you if you dont give any headsup that you are moving
id imagine tank chatter is open mic on say, teamspeak while push to talk on discord
or something like that
oblique garnet
Also afaik both meeres and naowh were openly communicating to the raid during wf race
distant crystal
that'd be a nice discord feature, some kinda multi-channel setup with diff binds for PTT in diff channels
oblique garnet
Halondrus might have been the exception because people couldnt do their own jobs without talking to their partner despite it being fully scripted fight
chrome falcon
nah idk tanking at that level in like dogshit gear absolutely requires constant communication about what CDs you have and when you're taunting
they're doing a lot of talking in a private channel
oblique garnet
nah idk tanking at that level in like dogshit gear absolutely requires constant ...
You severely underestimate how stacked gear echo and limit have by the time they are actually on last boss
It doesnt need as intense comms as people make it out to be
dawn canyon
274 average iirc
a very early skolex probably was fucky
but it died in 3 pulls
so kinda whatever
oblique garnet
Yeah
chrome falcon
last boss of this tier ok yeah sure
what about week 1 denathrius
i mean you're disagreeing with me here as if this isn't like
a documented thing that we know they do and they say they do
oblique garnet
Week 1 denathrius they were stacked too but as for a tank cn generally was a tier where you had to play properly as tank
You actually got to play the game
Then sod happened
Genuienly tho id like to see where they have said that tanks are just chilling together during raids
On progress
Farm i get
dawn canyon
maybe late just isnt in a good enough guild for that chatting
shit i dont have the gif
sorry
joke failed
goodybe
chrome falcon
someone in max's chat said "crazy how you never hear the tanks talking during these pulls and they never die" (or similar) and max responded "yeah they're just in a private room at all times doing their tank shit, no-one else wants to hear that"
was during sepulchre prog
shut summit
@potent zephyr
potent zephyr
fk u
ebon wren
hi im warrior. im fae, and I like heavy repercussions talent. :triggered:
sand pebble
Im nf and use codex, going to run some keys with chomp trinket for a laugh
cinder storm
warrior talents when Sadge
ebon wren
codex is dope. people seem to only discuss the DR but the extra stam means larger absorbs, larger heals from indomitable, grove invig stacks..
ill admit my damage is usually sub 10k on most runs. but it's just so.. stable. comfortable. I'm never struggling to survive. I guess necro does the same thing, but I feel with fae it's so much less effort
mighty valley
necro doesn't really change much, just gives you a little timer to tell you if you're doing well
urban portal
codex is dope. people seem to only discuss the DR but the extra stam means larger absorbs, larger heals from indomitable, grove invig stacks.. ill admit my damage is usually sub 10k on most runs. but it's just so.. stable. comfortable. I'm never struggling to survive. I guess necro does the same thing, but I feel with fae it's so much less effort
ebon wren
what I'm here for
waxen orbit
codex is dope. people seem to only discuss the DR but the extra stam means larger absorbs, larger heals from indomitable, grove invig stacks.. ill admit my damage is usually sub 10k on most runs. but it's just so.. stable. comfortable. I'm never struggling to survive. I guess necro does the same thing, but I feel with fae it's so much less effort
chrome falcon
gonna vomit
mighty valley
vers is dope. people seem to only discuss the dmg but the extra DR means larger absorbs, larger heals from indomitable, bigger IP.. ill admit my haste is usually sub 10% on most runs. but it's just so.. stable. comfortable. I'm never struggling to survive. I guess haste does the same thing, but I feel with vers it's so much less effort
ebon wren
you guys really enjoy the style of zipping and charging all the fuck around? that's going away in DF blizz knows its ridiculous.
dawn canyon
reprisal is aids
cinder storm
vews is d-d-dope. peopwe s-seem t-to onwy discuss whispers to self the x3 dmg but the x3 extwa DW means wawgew ÚwÚ absowbs, wawgew ÚwÚ heaws fwom indomitabwe, biggew sweats IP.. whispers to self iww notices buldge admit walks away my haste is usuawwy runs away sub ;;w;; 10% ^-^ on most wuns. but it's just whispers to self s-so.. stabwe. comfowtabwe. I'm nyevew stwuggwing ÚwÚ t-to suwvive. I guess haste does the x3 same thing, but I feew with vews it's so much wess ^w^ effowt
dawn canyon
huh
cinder storm
sick sentinel
someone in max's chat said "crazy how you never hear the tanks talking during th...
Tanking is a seperate room all together
We really just be vibing
chrome falcon
shut summit
sit next to your cotank irl, makes it ez
ebon wren
you guys are some narrow minded fucks. that's cool, I can see this isn't a place to bring new ideas. I get it, max out performance or youre not worth a shit. peace.
sand pebble
is that so you can kick them in the shin when they forget to taunt swap?
chrome falcon
wait
was he not trolling
with that codex post???
i was so sure that was a troll
sand pebble
its meta for me now
sick sentinel
Its meta if you believe hard enough
sand pebble
i mean we tried to time a 15 nw last night with 18 mins before the server went down - anything possible if you believe hard enough
we hit just before 3rd boss before it dropped
sick sentinel
15 nw? that is very possible if you pull like an ape
and pray bursting doesnt kill you
sand pebble
i did pull like an ape - the undergeared dh pulling 3k dps didnt help though
cinder storm
Less than a regular healer
sand pebble
codex mitigates it all 🙂
cinder storm
Its insane the amount of people who will check your gear and be like "wheres codex??"
sick sentinel
Still have my blood and aegis trinket from s2
muted nexus
Cuz I know allah will let me parry it
🙏
cinder nova
Codex is proven copium trash.
Unless you're getting one shot you're not gonna need a stam trinket that does less damage than other trinkets
But I welcome watching people waste one of their three coins in S4 on a dogwater pick
urban portal
It’s good if you are progging most 35 raging fortified when you are 252 Ilvl
cinder storm
Since mages are getting Flash Freeze/Blaster master back, theres a chance we are getting bastion of might/deafening crash
cinder nova
Give me scales
sand pebble
coins? you can spend coins on m+ loot?
drifting fable
nah
drifting fable
week 1 grind and valor dump duh
cinder storm
codex gains value if you dont block
ebon wren
🚎
cinder storm
sand pebble
codex gains value if you dont block
can we add this to the copy pasta?
drifting fable
pasta
cinder storm
more sauce, more flavor
ebon wren
seriously though it does appear no reprisal equivalent in DF. they better be makin shield block free wtf. wtf is our tree
sand pebble
we are now a bleed dot class
drifting fable
die reprisal
ebon wren
I actually like it. darting around is fun af lol
drifting fable
charge weaving is fine
making it the requirement to have good SB uptime is less fine
whereas other tanks get to eat glue to mitigate damage
ebon wren
intervene should actually be for a purpose, not for extending some timer
drifting fable
and thats why reprisal is bad design
urban portal
You can intervene for spiteful this week
sand pebble
just give us ursocs leggo baked into revenge and call it a day
cinder storm
I swear they took a week to come up with the pwar tier, and then they got too tired and gave the rest some "do damage/heal just for pressing x"
urban portal
Pwar 2 piece has much more thought behind it than a lot of the other ones
Imo
4 piece is very simple but good
vestal moat
Look at Brew or prot pally two piece. absolutely disgusting no brain weak design. Warrior got a hotfix tuning that was way better than the brew 2 piece. prob pally one oto.
sand pebble
2pc could have been the increased rage gen by 25% power from torghast and it would have played better
cinder storm
They say they make content for everyone, well, why make a tier that relies on having a weakaura or the experience of constantly checking your auras to play optimally
No new player can pick up pwar and be decent or have fun with it
urban portal
I mean the only thing you need is having a buff light up when it’s go time
That being said I wish tc wasn’t so blatantly bait
drifting fable
yea the issue is TC outburst is dogshit
urban portal
If it was tc on 4+ or something
sand pebble
having a tier that you can play really wrong by pressing the wrong ability is bad design
vestal moat
BDK has the same concept though. Mess up your DRW window and you're in for a bad time.
drifting fable
up against SS
chilly brook
It’s an issue of TC itself being dogshit
drifting fable
but yes
chilly brook
TC is just bad
urban portal
If tc hits for triple what it does now
Then pushing tc would be right on x targets
Even if it’s a rage gen down
cinder storm
you have to play omegabad to mess up your DRW window
sand pebble
bring back the atk speed slow from tc
vestal moat
weakened blows yeah i liked that one
prime rivet
How to do Xy’mox rings as necro prot warrior?
chilly brook
How to do Xy’mox rings as necro prot warrior?
Wdym
prime rivet
Wdym
Do you just run through the 2nd set of rings to pull your raid to the other side of it?
Or can it be leaped?
chilly brook
Most prog kills were as NF
patent osprey
you can just go thru the portal to pull them thru last second
as soon as the ring passes the portal
prime rivet
thanks @patent osprey
lusty grotto
is that ghetto reflective plating i see
well a win is a win
@warm plinth commentary
@chilly brook thoughts?
sounds like ghetto reflective plating for sure
@undone sun where you been
warm plinth
that's just spell reflection
Looks like the only change is that they gave arms/fury their own tooltip since it doesn't require a shield anymore
lofty widget
"Reduce magical damage you take by 20 % for 5 sec."
doesnt go away after reflected spell
lusty grotto
its wish.com
but it looks class wide
so maybe we'll get the full reflective plating talent in the prot spec?
lusty grotto
ill resub if we get it
chrome falcon
but if we're getting damage amp on successful reflect
lusty grotto
ngl
chrome falcon
then probably not
lusty grotto
at least the magic dr is pretty decent
yeah i just saw the 20% extra phys dmg
that's pretty cool
chrome falcon
yeah
pity that all the dps specs are getting incentives to kick
so we never get a reflect 🙂
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> thoughts?
it's better than what we had, can't be mad, but certainly can push for legion version
lusty grotto
ye
undone sun
<@140655388730064896> where you been
around, mostly only dreamgrove
open gazelle
DF wishlist: if no reprisal , we need shorter SB cooldown
trail glacier
thyme too busy smashing bear towers
sage yacht
muted nexus
new meta is taking a huge swig of sigil vers during defensive windows
sick sentinel
new shields
odd tree
i scrolled past those and honestly thought they were fist weps
sick sentinel
half way there but gunna go unlock the rest of war campaign and what not on alliance, for kul tiran race did mechagnome already
legion will take forever
scenic mural
??
mighty valley
I finally get a sack, final week
cobalt seal
warm plinth
I finally get a sack, final week
I have one of those too kek
Oh wait you meant the trinket
chilly brook
even got the mount
ayyy lesgo
warm plinth
hell yeah last minute CE lets go
Congrats my friend
ocean yoke
we all died at the exact moment we killed lol
sonic crag
half way there but gunna go unlock the rest of war campaign and what not on alli...
Kul Tiran master race
vernal vale
hell yeah last minute CE lets go
I wasn't online when you got it so grats now.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
mortal brook
smh my head ongfrfr
ionic fern
What?
soft glade
🗿
strong forum
🗿
blazing condor
Easter island stone head
orchid frigate
is it a +19 or +20 this week in order to get a +15 next?
sharp night
18 timed should be enough
orchid frigate
18 timed should be enough
thanks!
forest meadow
smh my head ongfrfr
Boomers 👴
brittle owl
soft glade
smhogncfrf
warm plinth
”good morning :)”
Did you catch that even after he discovered what it meant, he still didn't say it back.
forest meadow
undone verge
Does this actually mean anything? M skolex btw
jagged pier
yes its means your not pressing TC when u can press it
u still want to press it as close to CD as possible
undone verge
Still tho isn’t SS a higher prio off cd and even when it’s on cd I revenge for SS procs?
jagged pier
TC also procs SS
u missed over 2 outburst procs from not press TC btw
something like that
undone verge
hmm ok then ig, so SS>TC>Revenge?
jagged pier
no TC is still lowest prio but u still want to press it on CD
maybe consider is TC is off CD u IP and TC instead of just revenge
dawn canyon
pressing stuff>>not pressing stuff
strong forum
It's quite a hard thing to just outright name
TC only hits 10% weaker than revenge and generates rage instead of spends it
So you gotta find the right balance
drifting juniper
guys is the first week of new season also starts at item levels capped at m+ 10?
strong forum
Potentially
But nothing that says either or the other
I reckon you're uncapped from day1
And raids are also open
Logically speaking locking ilvl makes no sense, there's no story progression, no lore, no new quests or zone
minor helm
There’s no valor cap so I doubt there’s an ilvl cap
minor helm
strong forum
You could technically get to ilvl 298 day1
If you do all keys at like 24 and grind infinite valour
bold nimbus
strong forum
ionic fern
If you do all keys at like 24 and grind infinite valour
That sounds like something @oblique garnet would do.
oblique garnet
Yes
sweet summit
illness
minor helm
minor helm
Gonna suck
sweet summit
isn't that standard scaling
strong forum
Workshop we would've timed if we had a magic dispell
strong forum
Ofc
strong forum
And it's gna be funny to do it properly, we're gonna have to literally make a CD rotation for dog
ionic fern
Dworf dh/druid pls
onyx vessel
wild hemlock
anything were hunting for in s4 dungeons or just raid trinkeys
lofty widget
mechagon rings
wild hemlock
ive hardly tanked tazavesh and have never tanked the new dungeons lmaoooo
streets route is too scary
strong forum
Streets is literally the same?
lofty widget
just hold w, go left after first boss
wild hemlock
Streets is literally the same?
its just a big instance lmaooo
smooth brain dps main
wild hemlock
i think i have gambit down
strong forum
Menagerie is cancer but manageable
wild hemlock
but i just go dps those bosses
strong forum
Oasis is literally free
strong forum
All comes with practice
strong forum
But yeah, from dungeons you'll hunt mechagon rings, snag the mechagon 1h if you can
Maybe the kara necklace will be good
wild hemlock
sick. im just bad at leading the group cause i go dps brain
strong forum
And kara has also a decent interrupt trinket
wild hemlock
i like to think im a super good tank if i have another leader in coms with me lol
like an MDT co pilot lmao
strong forum
That's why I play with @slim zinc and @trail glacier they do the routes and I complain when they planned too big
And I just coast along as grug brain
wild hemlock
ugh i love when i play with my higher io friends
ive got 3k on a couple toons but those 3200-3500 brians mmmmmmmmm
strong forum
I meaan
wild hemlock
3k doesnt mean shit
did i fucking say it did
dawn canyon
did i fucking say it did
Nope 
but multi 3k is better than one and done
wild hemlock
Nope <:peepo:938582175522107442> but multi 3k is better than one and done
why did u even chime in
trail glacier
That's why I play with <@165140327923974144> and <@213923859638779904> they do t...
just blame mandl for ninjapulling
wild hemlock
i like u but that was cringe
strong forum
Giga brain when he pre-plannes and does serious content
But when it's trivial content and him tanking keys, he just yolos
dawn canyon
i like u but that was cringe
Yea i fell back into the "why this 3k guy do this" pattern, sorry
dawn canyon
Nah he's right it was dumb
strong forum
That's fine, but he just never streams
wild hemlock
im not sure who merees is
dawn canyon
im not sure who merees is
Echos ww
And raid tank alongside naowh
Also their mdi 6th man
wild hemlock
coo
dawn canyon
Gingi also has one of the poop ones
strong forum
And current raidleader on re-clears
Idk what it is with some pushers and having the most god awful UIs
dawn canyon
Merees did all 36 MTs in the first 2 weeks
dawn canyon
What's the guy called again who plays with junkrat
Some dh
Their UI is actually default
No a tank
Juan soemthitn
dawn canyon
Does look nifty
strong forum
Libert, Tattman, Nerf, Stone and many other "high rio" tanks have the worst UIs imaginable
wild hemlock
i just hope you can put binds right on the bars like elvui
dawn canyon
Libert, Tattman, Nerf, Stone and many other "high rio" tanks have the worst UIs ...
Jakey
toxic pewter
im going pure blizz UI in df
strong forum
i just hope you can put binds right on the bars like elvui
There are other addons that can do that too
dawn canyon
Yes
toxic pewter
I think it looks good
i also am deleting most addons
Going back to playing the real game
dawn canyon
I will fall back to seanposting god help me
strong forum
Good for you
toxic pewter
Realized I got caught up in that which is not important
cobalt seal
Going back to playing the real game
shut summit
i just hope you can put binds right on the bars like elvui
you can with DF default
wild hemlock
you can with DF default
sick
dawn canyon
Libert, Tattman, Nerf, Stone and many other "high rio" tanks have the worst UIs ...
You ever seen Billy's UI?
The mage from bdgg
Who played with nerf
toxic pewter
Ya I remember it is a mess
wild hemlock
phil r u na
dawn canyon
Im an eu frog
dawn canyon
They havent found out im bad at tanking yet
toxic pewter
I have
dry spear
got this in my vault. but the stats are meh. take it or not?
lofty widget
yes
dawn canyon
Ilvl is good
wild hemlock
i would
lofty widget
ilvl>secondaries on wep
cursive root
hey what items we should aim in s4 ?
dawn canyon
Gachi roll weakaura
cursive root
for the 3 raid items
wild hemlock
mechagon rings i believe
toxic pewter
all these items wont mean anything in a week anyway
cursive root
or any specific items in new dg
lofty widget
hey what items we should aim in s4 ?
ows+aegis/rdm or a high ilvl shield
strong forum
Ows, shield and matrix
cursive root
cool, i was thinking in this item
slim zinc
cursive root
probably i will pick gavel instead of shield for play arms
toxic pewter
y
strong forum
You can buy sylv and LoD shield
urban portal
There’s nothing special about any of the cn shield right
jagged pier
dn shield?
strong forum
Neither is sylv or lod shield
But they just didn't give the option of CN weapon tokens
sweet summit
mechagon shield
urban portal
Sadge
urban portal
I just want the mog
strong forum
Can't buy dungeon loot anyway
wild hemlock
probably should look at arms eh?
jagged pier
fury is press shiny buttons
wild hemlock
i know fury is kinda easy
dawn canyon
Neither are very hard
jagged pier
arms is charge weave till MS
wild hemlock
but it looks meh in raid
cobalt seal
mythic tanking spooky
what's spooky about raid tanking?
wild hemlock
does fury still macro cancel bladestorm
wild hemlock
what's spooky about raid tanking?
inexperience
cobalt seal
if you said it's :residentsleeper:
cobalt seal
inexperience
gain some?
strong forum
Lots of people have performance anxiety and don't want the responsibility
wild hemlock
Lots of people have performance anxiety and don't want the responsibility
this lol
lemme dps
dawn canyon
does fury still macro cancel bladestorm
Depends on your Lego but you ideally have it bound
strong forum
Dps is braindead with barely any repercussions
jagged pier
cobalt seal
Lots of people have performance anxiety and don't want the responsibility
how do they tank in m+?
strong forum
They don't
wild hemlock
how do they tank in m+?
omg m+ so different
dawn canyon
If you can tank m+ youre giga fine in raid
cobalt seal
????????????????
wild hemlock
you dont see the people after 40 mins
jagged pier
with my friends i literally cant play dps or healer because none of them want to tank
:madge:
strong forum
Raid tanking is "okay I figure out my own shit after 2 pulls, then I wait for dps to figure themselves out"
wild hemlock
having a mythic OWS before patch would be fun
dawn canyon
Mythic doesnt change much
Although there is some fights that you do have to do stuff as tank
Eye 
Terry
wild hemlock
honestly id probably just tank the first 5 each week or whatever until i have upgrade for ows or shield
urban portal
Tank fights are so scripted
cobalt seal
because
urban portal
You just need to understand why you died
cobalt seal
if you tank m+
urban portal
And don’t die to white hits
cobalt seal
raid is literally a snooze fest
dawn canyon
Also just by playing ur rotation correctly you get good parses
strong forum
I like raid tanking because it is snooze
urban portal
its like, I need to mitigation x y and z at time a b and c
strong forum
urban portal
once you figure out what those are
urban portal
and assign ds
cds
and you good
raid feels like you are bottle necked on the worst player
that just feels bad
dawn canyon
Going from raid tank to m+ tank is infintely harder than m+ tank to raid tank
wild hemlock
we got crabby down last night and called it for the tier
only raid like 5 hours a week but managed to get CE last tier
i have mythic experience just 0 tanking lol
cobalt seal
you dont need mythic tanking experience
you just need to play the spec
and after 2-3 tries
you know wtf to do
wild hemlock
so condemn the bosses
urban portal
dont worry
youll be waiting for your raid to try and figure out grim portent
while you solved the phase in the first 20 pulls
i wish we had a website similar to lorrgs for tanks
show when they use major defensives
wild hemlock
❤️ lorrgs
dawn canyon
show when they use major defensives
Would be insanely useful
strong forum
I went from not having raided in 10 years straight into mythic back in uldir
Raiding is not hard
strong forum
Hardest part is getting the right people
You're only as good as your 5 worst raiders
Cuz every guild has atleast 5 people who're being boosted, 10 mutes, 5 pumper and 5 spammers
toxic pewter
I know which one I am
cobalt seal
we all know
toxic pewter
I’m a game 1 gamer
queen hemlock
hi there a returning player here
em is
Dausegene's dissonant halo better changed to a set item or should keep it as it is
i already have a 5 set but if i were to change it ill up the ilvl
minor helm
Putting it in the CC doesn’t increase the ilvl
queen hemlock
oh no em my set helm is LFR and this one i have is from normal so
higher ilvl
im just wondering if i should change it or keep it as it is
lofty widget
as long as you keep your 4set then ilvl will be better
5 set doesnt give you anything
queen hemlock
just wondering for secondary set wise which one is better
minor helm
You can sim the difference from secondaries in raidbots
They have an option to catalyze the parts
queen hemlock
alright thanks will try
urban portal
thats the buff pally needs
vernal vale
the hardest part about raiding as a tank is getting in a guild
This
dawn canyon
Damekage guild incident
vernal vale
Yeah, it was quite the journey
pallid quiver
Cuz every guild has atleast 5 people who're being boosted, 10 mutes, 5 pumper an...
It's me, I'm the one getting boosted. That's why I haven't been in a guild since Pandaland
carmine pine
I think the 5 pumpers know who everyone is and the at least half of the 5 people being boosted dont know they are being boosted. They just get sat and dont know why
I know of at least 2 people being boosted in my guild that dont understand why they always get sat
I'm sure @minor helm knows who I'm talking about
carmine pine
Lol
minor helm
Got the mount tho ez
carmine pine
You've tried to get sat so you dont have to carry them
carmine pine
I just want to be sat so I dont keep dying to ripping threat off my cotank every pull
sweet summit
just play worse 🙂
sweet summit
sweet summit
pallid quiver
convince your cotank to just play warrior themselves
ocean yoke
gotta love when the outburst crits so he turns and you get bonked for 300k
carmine pine
Oh its great
ocean yoke
we had a couple wipes to that
carmine pine
So fun
carmine pine
I kept dying to ripping aggro in p1 and not being able to get shield wall back up
So I just kept running it so I had it
Jic
I even considered running codex to lose dmg 🤮
dawn canyon
😵💫
carmine pine
Yep
dawn canyon
CN dps brm
carmine pine
My cotank has to get misdirect on cd and taunt on cd to even try to keep threat
sweet summit
surely just press buttons or?
carmine pine
Pretty much
Dont fall asleep at keyboard is hard
Hopefully next tier when they have 2x cruci itll help threat
carmine pine
Its passive dmg at least. Even if they have empty globals itll still help
Or I could go back to playing vdh so theres no way I can rip
vernal vale
I've learned lots of players don't know how to press buttons and what they do press is wrong.
carmine pine
72 cpm on jailer. thats counting gift of the ox orbs spawning tho
11cpm from gift
4 casts of augment rune?
do people really bind it to abilites?
dawn canyon
I have it on bshout
chilly brook
Just not a very strong one
Idk bro this is when I say to my RL “bruh you wouldn’t accept anyone else sandbagging and forcing other people to play worse why would you do it for a tank”
chilly brook
Huge pet peeve of mine
carmine pine
we have people on our raid team that legit dont get in for a single prog kill
they arent sandbagging
they are just bad
but they are still part of the team
so we have to carry them to CE every tier
chilly brook
If someone isn’t allowing me to play well because they can’t be bothered to play well I lose my mind
There’s no reason you should be ripping in p1
dawn canyon
Get a new tank
carmine pine
if only
chilly brook
Yea that’s a “I’m out for this week” moment
It’s not worth hating the game for a week
Been there done that
dawn canyon
It's like when ur playing fury in m+ and the tank doesnt want to press threat spells
I will just leave
carmine pine
ive tried to get them to find a new co tank
whats funny is our 3rd tank that fills in when one of us is gone is even worse
somehow
dawn canyon
The bad thing is that drops ur logs so you cant swap easily
dawn canyon
Few spots out there
ocean yoke
we got hard stuck on council in nathria for 3 extra weeks cause the other tank could not kite the gargoyles. as vdh
dawn canyon
Damekage had this didnt he
warm plinth
grave crane
couldnt kite, as dh
carmine pine
lol thats a vibe
dawn canyon
Guild made him hate the game
chilly brook
we got hard stuck on council in nathria for 3 extra weeks cause the other tank c...
Wait….were you in my guild??
dawn canyon
Ended up leaving guild and is happier now
chilly brook
Legit we had the same thing happen
I was playing fury
Then was asked to go prot after that fiasco
grave crane
i think his was cause his RL didnt want to tell the other tank who was an irl friend to be better, and they just told dame to stop doing dam
dawn canyon
Yep
ocean yoke
Wait….were you in my guild??
if he was named wallee lol. was our first tier mythic raiding for most of us so we didnt see any problems until then with him
chilly brook
i think his was cause his RL didnt want to tell the other tank who was an irl fr...
Actually the worst and dumbest thing you could tell a tank
chilly brook
if he was named wallee lol. was our first tier mythic raiding for most of us so ...
Nah
grave crane
but it seems that other tanks do have a hard time with threat, i pulled off pugs in jailer kills, prot pally, dh, monk
dawn canyon
Ppal shouldnt drop threat
ocean yoke
we immediately killed council and sludge in a week after swapping a dps over
dawn canyon
Judgement on CD and ur up there
chilly brook
but it seems that other tanks do have a hard time with threat, i pulled off pugs...
Because spoiler alert
Tanking attracts bad players
grave crane
why though? its got the most responsiblity with positioning and shit
chilly brook
Bro you learn where to put the boss and have 1 or two mechanics to deal with
vernal vale
hard out there for a tank looking for a guild
I struggled to find a guild for a while but it was worth leaving.
carmine pine
the 3rd tank that filled in for him on our first jailer kill did 3k dps in p4 and didnt use a single drw for the last 3 min of the fight
how does a blood dk do 3k dps
chilly brook
the 3rd tank that filled in for him on our first jailer kill did 3k dps in p4 an...
That’s a defensive innit
carmine pine
during lust
vernal vale
Damekage had this didnt he
Yup
vernal vale
Don't forget last stand
minor helm
carmine pine
he did so little dps over the entire fight that his codex did 11% of his dmg or some shit
vernal vale
the 3rd tank that filled in for him on our first jailer kill did 3k dps in p4 an...
That is a really bad dk
vernal vale
I bet I could do better and I don't dk
dawn canyon
Dk more like heartstrike
carmine pine
i geared a bdk for anduin and after 1 week of playing it i was better
vernal vale
we immediately killed council and sludge in a week after swapping a dps over
If only I had been in guild then.
carmine pine
he averaged like 20 less cpm than me on anduin
vernal vale
Oof
vernal vale
Apparently button pressing is for dps
ocean yoke
sadly its all roles
carmine pine
cri
vernal vale
Pugging to 3k rating was a bit painful.
dawn canyon
whats with tanks not pressing buttons
I have full runic Power i dont need to deathstrike i dont need to press heartstrike
Cluesless
carmine pine
lol i literally didnt even look at my rp when i played bdk on anduin and lords
i just heart striked, kept up bone shield and did dam
dawn canyon
You have enough anyways
carmine pine
brain dead tank spec
vernal vale
I think runic power is less important than runes but as I stated I don't dk.
dawn canyon
I played some BDK in s2
vernal vale
Last time I touched mine was WoD
carmine pine
i miss breath playstyle in wod
pretty much why i like banner so much atm
feast or famine
big dam
vernal vale
I miss frost spec tanking in Wrath
But even then I still preferred how warrior played.
carmine pine
ive always liked the look of warrior tanking
even when it wasnt the most fun tank for me
i miss crit stacking in wod
revenge and heroic strike hitting like a bus
vague crag
any recommendations for a good shield that doesn't look ridiculously small on a tauren?