protection

[ionic fern]

😦

Doesn't go too well.

Boss always shows up with the "WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING" then.

[warm plinth]

Seems unreasonable tbh

[ionic fern]

Yeah.

I agree.

We made Nome orange tho so i can chill with Prot Warrior things and he feels the obligation to do things.

[blazing condor]

The eternal cycle of just delegating downwards

[ionic fern]

Delegating is the best.

[blazing condor]

It goes all the way down too

[ionic fern]

Oh, really?
Did he delegate to Jakey and Jakey delegate to you?

So you know you need to create a bis list for s4?

Thank god.

[blazing condor]

yes

Im just not doing it cus i got no obligations 🙂

[ionic fern]

Great, thanks.

[jagged pier]

I used to delegate to goode when he played the game

[pallid quiver]

All y'all need to be smart enough like me to only be here rarely enough for no one to recognize you so that nobody delegates anything to you, but you still obtain all the knowledge needed to tell other people how to play right

[jagged pier]

I know your name delegating next thing to you

[pallid quiver]

fuck

i guess i ain't a 32 int warrior for nothing

[ionic fern]

I am here very rarely.

😦

[pallid quiver]

yeah but you've been branded with the blue mark of suffering

[ionic fern]

Nah

blue is retirement.

I only get pinged now when someone needs to be muted or banned.

[onyx vessel]

@ionic fern not gonna play shaded?

Retirement home blues

[ionic fern]

Shaded?

👀

[onyx vessel]

Whatever s4 is

[ionic fern]

Oh, Shrouded.

I don't know.

[pallid quiver]

I like shaded more tbh, makes it feel like a nice, comfy rest time

[onyx vessel]

O i like shaded

[ionic fern]

I'm still playing...i log in at least once a week.

[onyx vessel]

Cuz i hate summer

[pallid quiver]

i've stopped logging in for the rest of this season since I've got new fighting games to play instead

[brittle owl]

at least!

[onyx vessel]

Well i mean last week is pretty much useless

[pallid quiver]

i've not personally enjoyed much about SL other than banner upkeep just recently, so

[ionic fern]

Jeah

I have this issue where i enjoy the game when i have a dedicated group of people to do mythic+ with and communicate but i hate finding said group.

So i'm just chilling.

[pallid quiver]

I don't like the look of the environments, the story, the characters, the feel of it, etc, so I end up in the same boat as Mwahi

like, finding people to play with is a pain in the ass when you're not enjoying everything around it for me, so like I just don't

[ionic fern]

I got really confused when in the new zone Sylvanas was on our side in a cutscene.

It started making more sense after i watched the raid cinematics.

[pallid quiver]

they tried too hard for an epic storyline

and then it became this

[ionic fern]

No.

They diddn't try anything.

🙂

They just put together a hot mess.

Story is not a thing anymore.

[pallid quiver]

I 100% agree that's the end result, but I feel like someone high up thought they were gonna do a FF14 and be STORY DRIVEN AMAZING TIME opr something

i've always liked more localized adventure stories, anyhow, like all the classic types of quests and how a lot of zones in Pandaland shook out

so even if it was an epic they tried or failed or didn't even try, the end result we were gonna get was not gonna be my thing

but at least warrior's always there to play; always have played it, will always suffer with it no matter what

[warm plinth]

well, tbh we lost a big chunk of the expansion due to covid

[waxen orbit]

Cant believe 25 DOS went from an easy two chest going into Xy’exa to a double wipe from DPS killing each other two pulls in a row with lightning

Oh well, they were all chill people and it was a good last minute push. Can probably break 3650 next week if rating doesn’t close out tomorrow

Still a bummer closing out the season with a 23 as my highest tyran DOS but it’s whatever

[strong forum]

My highest tyr soa is a +3

I'm big pusher

[blazing condor]

I only push big on the toilet

[clever heart]

in patch 9.3 will reprisal still be our bis m+ lego

[chrome falcon]

Yes

Sorry

[clever heart]

lol why sorry ?
best for raid too ?

[chrome falcon]

Yes

And sorry because it’s annoying as hell to play with lmao

[clever heart]

what lego would you rather use ?

[chrome falcon]

Oh none of them

Because our legendaries are SO bad

That even an annoying one like reprisal is still our best option

[clever heart]

haha gotcha. well i kinda like it tbh so i dont mind

[strong forum]

9.2.7*

9.3 won't exist

But also reprisal is just unbeatable, it's the strongest legendary in all of SL

Crw for DK gets close since they have tierset, but no other legendary is quite as class enabling as reprisal

[median tulip]

You say "class enabling", I say "bandaging over the fundamental flaws in the class design"

[chrome falcon]

i mean

same thing fewer words

[blazing condor]

Thunderlord i trust

[strong forum]

TL would've been an amazing pick if they hadn't nerfed it in beta

[chrome falcon]

DS GCD

[ionic fern]

I want DC back.

😦

[chrome falcon]

DC would be a nice way to make tc feel ok to press

[hoary bough]

i like reprisal, gives me the zoomies

i just hate it when all of the ranged pack into melee for no reason so i can't get easy intercept charges

[blazing condor]

OG DC

Give me that BV perma

[strong forum]

I like reprisal for the optimisation purposes, but I don't like my surv being tied to it

[median tulip]

Reprisal is fun. I would like to have a variety of fun, though

Rather than 3 "Protection" legendaries that are shit

[wild hemlock]

imagine if we ran signet all patch mmmmm

im excited for the revenge lego to make it to DF

[median tulip]

Some of the other classes can get 2 or even 3 Legendary effects. I'll be interested to see if they allow us that freedom

[forest meadow]

which tanks have options?

[dawn canyon]

BDK used to

Between CRW and superstrain

[forest meadow]

yeah but in S3, I think only bear has options

[dawn canyon]

I cant pretend to know what bears run

[forest meadow]

[urban portal]

vdh has a lot of options

and i think pally has decent options?

but yeah brew and bdk got their leggos locked in

[cobalt seal]

define a lot of options?

[mellow bridge]

vdh has one m+ build and one raid build

[urban portal]

i mean in terms of leggo

[mellow bridge]

(which changes 2 talents at best)

[urban portal]

but yeah the talents are locked in

[mellow bridge]

eh

you choose between dgb for m+ and raz for raid

FS shouldnt be an option outside of rygelon

[urban portal]

bear does genuinely have choices though

more than anyone else

i thought VDH also ran CA for pure damage

[mellow bridge]

yea no idea about bear personally

[trail glacier]

cause bear is the best spec

[mellow bridge]

nah only havocs run CA

[cobalt seal]

[trail glacier]

ca was a thing in like s1

[urban portal]

guess that fell out of favor in 9.2

[trail glacier]

or smt

[urban portal]

yeah

[mellow bridge]

in raid raz does more dmg and in m+ dgg does more and is way more defensive lmao

[strong forum]

DGB is more dmg for vdh than CA

[urban portal]

CA was def a thing in 9.0

maybe not 9.1

[mellow bridge]

yeah maybe 9.0

didnt play vdh then

[trail glacier]

yeah 9.0

[cobalt seal]

big maybe

[strong forum]

DGB was 20% in 9.0

[trail glacier]

before the dgb buff

[cobalt seal]

because every tank was paper

[trail glacier]

it got buffed in 0.5 iirc

[urban portal]

i asked in 9.1 and they said its just big st dam

[cobalt seal]

so FS was generally better

[mellow bridge]

dgb was 20%?

jesus lmfao

[strong forum]

Ye

[urban portal]

dgb was so dogshit

[trail glacier]

still is

but its the best they got

who doesnt like rng defensives

[mellow bridge]

rng defensive uptime and outside of it you get onetapped in high keys

fun

[urban portal]

i love being invincible on one pull

and turbo one shot the next

[mellow bridge]

oh or if you go high enough you can get globaled anyways in meta

what a class

[trail glacier]

just be cro

then you re shit on every pull

procs or not

[mellow bridge]

dw just go a 29 gambit like me and die in 1.1 seconds to autoattacks during meta

good class!

[trail glacier]

just stagger bro

[urban portal]

i mean that is infinite content right

eventually youll reach a point where you get turbo one shot

[trail glacier]

if venthyr + the current degen 4p didnt exist for bear

mainly the trash 4p, bear would have a lot of options

[mellow bridge]

okay

then go to jailer mythic prenerf and get oneshot as a dh

that was fun too

[urban portal]

tier set inherently restricts build diversity because tier will always disproportionally synergise with one specific leggo

[mellow bridge]

every day i pray for an armor buff for dh

🙏

[urban portal]

hot legs was fun on brew

[trail glacier]

dh needs a rework

🙏 for 10.0 talents to not suck

[mellow bridge]

oh yeah but that aint happening inside of an expansion

[urban portal]

abyssal strike now grants demon spikes for 3 seconds

[mellow bridge]

but they could just do an easy armor buff for now

[urban portal]

and give 30 fury

[mellow bridge]

but nah why would they

[urban portal]

and your next soul cleave is free

😄

[trail glacier]

it already is free technically

cause you waste so much fury

you dont care about the cost

[urban portal]

yeah it is

im joking

[mellow bridge]

well since infernal strike doesnt have a min range

[urban portal]

im just naming reprisal for vdh

[mellow bridge]

that would be a lot more playable than reprisal lmao

[trail glacier]

shield block actually good tho

[urban portal]

but spikes is like 10% the potency of block

[trail glacier]

unlike spikes

[urban portal]

yea

[trail glacier]

i ve given up on dh till a rework

just bandaid after bandaid to make it playable lately

[urban portal]

they need to revert that covenant nerf

from 9.0.5

for dh

is necro vdh any funny

[trail glacier]

cant remember what they changed

[urban portal]

or no

[trail glacier]

its dumb

passive ability

[urban portal]

they aura nerfed all covs on vdh by 15% or something

[trail glacier]

that s kinda w/e imo

[mellow bridge]

they bug fixed + nerfed demon wards

[cobalt seal]

that doesn't solve shit

[mellow bridge]

while buffing every other tank passive dr

that change still fucks up dh rn

[trail glacier]

the main issues i have with veng are why on earth is brand a single target defensive

[slim zinc]

Yup

[cobalt seal]

we dont need aoe dmg

[trail glacier]

and that demon spikes are dog

[mellow bridge]

just buff our passive phys dr by ~10% or so

[trail glacier]

the spec relies on meta uptime to not be floorpov

[mellow bridge]

and it would be real nice

[slim zinc]

And they didn't revert the 25% healing nerf they implemented cause of the bug

[mellow bridge]

oh right forgot about that lmfao

[slim zinc]

Our souls should be 33% stronger than they are

That one is fun

With that reverted vdh might be tanky

[mellow bridge]

i just dont understand how blizz refuses to balance classes more than once every 8 months

dont need huge changes, but just a few % here and there every month or so would be nice

[trail glacier]

they do that

just not for tanks it seems

[mellow bridge]

yeah fair enough they did do that for dps this patch

[trail glacier]

im in camp copium that we need separate m+ / raid tuning

like certain healer abilities got 100% amp for instances

[mellow bridge]

that would probably be ideal but i dont see it happening

[trail glacier]

yep

[mellow bridge]

but some classes are shit in both modes so where are the buffs at

[urban portal]

i think they expect tank plays to reroll to whats best

[trail glacier]

i wouldnt mind as long as its not bdk

cant enjoy bdk cause it just reminds me of what it used to be in legion

but its just sad rn compared to what it was

[mellow bridge]

i didnt mind dk before tierset

but it just makes it too dumb

[trail glacier]

It’s the small things

Like in legion with gear swapping you basically had wo all the time out of combat

Now youre a slow ass mf

[strong forum]

They did change vdh to get the same DR buff

[trail glacier]

No lego / trinket swapping

Playing bdk is just associated to those things

[urban portal]

does dh or dk get more armor

[strong forum]

In like 9.1 or 9.1.5 they added the rest of the aura DR they didn't get in 9.0.5

[urban portal]

from spikes/bones

[strong forum]

Dh gets more armor from DS

[urban portal]

but bones is 100% uptime ic

and plate also >leather

[strong forum]

That doesn't matter much

It's all about the modifiers

Pwar gets plate + 100% mainstat modifier passively
All other tanks get it through buttons

Boneshield is like 70%, sotr is 160%, if is 100%

DS idk how much

And brew gets their stagger which is an entirely diff thing

[mellow bridge]

my dh has 1688 armor baseline

1766 extra from spikes

[strong forum]

That's less than pwar has by just existing

[mellow bridge]

yeah

[hazy edge]

70, but scaled with mastery

[strong forum]

I have 4.7k

[mellow bridge]

my warr has like 4k+

[strong forum]

Shield OP

That's the big one

[mellow bridge]

in meta i have 5064 armor

[urban portal]

really? i didnt know that spikes dh<regular pwar

lol

[brittle owl]

y'all are a bunch of armor nerds

[cobalt seal]

spikes is dogshit lol

[strong forum]

Pwar has the highest armor outside of bear with multiple stacks of IF, or a pally with sotr up

[mellow bridge]

dh is a spec held together by meta, trinkets and healer externals

[urban portal]

abyssal strike tho 👌

[strong forum]

Abyssal strike is just a not-target bound charge

[mellow bridge]

my 259 dk already has 1545 armor too

[brittle owl]

still looks dope af

[mellow bridge]

without bones

bones are 1163 extra at that ilvl

idk how armor scales with ilvl tbh

[strong forum]

Linear

K value makes sure of that

[prime rivet]

How do prot warriors do the triple rings on mythic Daus?

[strong forum]

Only take 1 at a time

That's the goal

[prime rivet]

so just do the mechanic

and don't try to cheese it

[mellow bridge]

yep

[strong forum]

It's not a hard boss, just play it safe and you gucci

Biggest mistakes alot of people do is try to be fancy when its not all necessary

[minor helm]

Or just leap the intersections if needed

[strong forum]

Don't think leap works there

[minor helm]

It does

[strong forum]

Lmao

[minor helm]

And it only has the circle hit if another player is leaping next to you

[strong forum]

Then why did so many people go NF

[minor helm]

The 1 yard explosion I mean

[strong forum]

They just bad or?

[minor helm]

wasn’t super known during release

[strong forum]

It's like the first thing I'd try

[minor helm]

And it’s kinda hard the later ones

[strong forum]

See ring, try to leap over ring

[minor helm]

But it 100% works

[strong forum]

Is like first reaction

[minor helm]

You only get hit by 1 cause of spaghetti code

[hardy ridge]

Lmao what

Guess ill try tonight since we might reclear if we dont get jailer lockout

[carmine pine]

yeah our raid lead made our strat around the entire raid having a skip for the doubles so i tried leaping in the intersection of the double and it worked every time

works as both vdh and war

[minor helm]

It’s pretty generous too

[ocean yoke]

did you have to do a jump before it like painsmith was or just rip it?

[carmine pine]

just rip it

[ocean yoke]

hell yeah

[crystal iris]

I leap every time on fury and still g et the dot

I just leapt to not hit anyone with my explosion but I got the dot on me like 90% of the time

[lofty widget]

you have to jump through the intersection of 2 circles, that will only give you 1 stack of the debuff

[crystal iris]

ohhhh

smart

sketchy but smart

[west walrus]

@patent osprey

[crystal iris]

doesnt he play monk now?

Its nice to see warrior outhealing the healers these days

Not so nice spamming IP 600x per key maybe

[west walrus]

I saw him play hey prot warr these days

[sick sentinel]

damn, games not online

[toxic pewter]

its up for me just now

[waxen orbit]

Anyone know if rating for S3 closes out today?

[toxic pewter]

still have until august 1st for usa

or I guess until reset on august 2nd, technically

[waxen orbit]

EZ last minute title

AFK for half the season and we still competing

[balmy canyon]

No streamers just act like it does cause last week was infinitely easier than this week for pushing

[waxen orbit]

Nah high key pushers act like it because fort necro spite def is a hard week

Necro a joke for us but hard for everyone else minus the other prot spec and BrM

[umbral cave]

is the higher ilvl cloak worth it over the better defensive trink?

[waxen orbit]

Yes

[lofty widget]

codex is horrible

[urban portal]

its not a better defensive trinket

[umbral cave]

oh well then

[urban portal]

codex doesnt even scale w ilvl

unless they fixed that

[ancient ore]

which one should i take

[dawn canyon]

what do you have

[urban portal]

codex really good in mists 38

[lofty widget]

highest ilvl upgrade

[waxen orbit]

Depends on your gear lol

[waxen orbit]

This

[urban portal]

its looking like ilvl

[ocean yoke]

almost certainly the chest/shoulders since those trinkets suck

or socket

[shut summit]

ilvl get boosted to hell next week with valor uncapped right away, take w/e you want

gona be insane

[sick sentinel]

all is right in the world

[novel agate]

any idea what trinkets we gonna rock in season 4.

[lofty widget]

ows+aegis/rdm personally

[urban portal]

same thing as this tier

but higher ilvl

im going the rdm route

[lofty widget]

yea aegis feels overkill tbh

[urban portal]

aegis really dont feel that good on smaller/medium pulls

but its the best trinket when you need it

[shut summit]

yup this

[dawn canyon]

im guessing 295 is realistic once people are getting going

300 the coming one once they are KSM

[ionic fern]

Add mecha rings on top of it

And you're done.

[lofty widget]

[sick sentinel]

nome got mad at me one day cuz i had some mecha giga haste ring drop with haste proc i think and it was mastery? so i traded it to DH and he was mad at me cuz he said dh use it for vendor spec most likely

[sick sentinel]

mecha rings have a set bonus if you use 2 of them together, could be powerful depend how well it sims i guess

[vestal moat]

What order should we acquire the OWS / aegis / RDM in? Assuming none of them are acceislbe to us through a raid drop.

[odd tree]

high level aegis should be easy to grab

[ionic fern]

I know...

[vestal moat]

I mean what do we buy first.

[urban portal]

assuming you are never going do down normal nine?

[grave crane]

probably buy ows first since sylvanas is an annoying fight and Guardian and 9 are easy

[urban portal]

yeah

ows

[odd tree]

i'm probably grabbing ows first

[urban portal]

because i highly doubt you cant down the nine on normal

[vestal moat]

yeah i figured that also especially if u offspec

[odd tree]

but mostly because i also dps in raid

[sick sentinel]

am turning to paladin a bit

[shut summit]

afaik you can also upg like normal/heroic items straight to mythic too with a currency or some shit?

so definitely makes more sense to buy ows

[sick sentinel]

imma keep it 100 with ya'll

i have no idea what soever how the this new trinket system works

i only have vague inklings of "ah yes this is something they said will happen"

[strong forum]

you buy normal ilvl item

and you can upgrade to HC/mythic with your acquired "shards"

you need 20 hc shards to upgrade to heroic aka 20 HC boss kills

or 20 mythic shards aka 20 mythic boss kills

you can however apparently upgrade any fated ilvl with those shards

its not exclusive to the dinar bought items

[shut summit]

sounds right

[sick sentinel]

so, if i go in kill 6 bosses every week, i can expect to upgrade my item in 4 weeks

[strong forum]

or every 2 if you full clear every raid

[grave crane]

shoudnt be hard honestly, tier sets are way stronger than dom shards i imagine

[sick sentinel]

well, with all the way currently to get gear, if your doing that, i mean, you got vault, loot traders in the raid, i was gunna say the roll coin but they got rid of that, like titan forge.

[strong forum]

and presumption is that the raids will be quite easy

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/fvMOXVY.png

[strong forum]

they dont work outside of SoD/maw/torghast anyway

[shut summit]

from some random thing i found

[strong forum]

ye

[urban portal]

they dont work in SOD

[sick sentinel]

i saw asmon showing off the bagnon in base wow, very please by that

[urban portal]

according to what they said

[strong forum]

not even sod?

that sounds... off

[urban portal]

its an official post

one sec

[strong forum]

but i guess they dont want to shoehorn people into thinking they need dom shards

[shut summit]

ye shards are disabled

[urban portal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-season-4-raid-loot-clarifications-creation-catalyst-no-shards-of-326991

here you go

its enabled rn

i was asking in the sylv weekly discord

some specs can do 3 dom+4piece

but some armor sets cant

[strong forum]

"but dom shards are just like tiersets"

"idk why people dont like it"

proceeds to need to entirely turn off shards

[shut summit]

yea shards were not great to put it lightly

[dawn canyon]

no uh till week 5

[sick sentinel]

i think the fact that the entire both zones felt like purgatory and then had no cotent on top of it really sold the idea of "dead game lol"

[dawn canyon]

well

they did a good job depicting hell in wow

because it felt like that

[sick sentinel]

the worst kind of hell

not lfr

the boring one

[dawn canyon]

implying a good type of hell?

[sick sentinel]

.... mmm no, like, inactive vs active hell

like fires of hell, or.... nothing...

[oblique garnet]

Could you imagine dom shards + tier sets

[blazing condor]

I wonder if blood would be bis still

[cobalt seal]

I can't

they share spots

you would only equip 1 shard

[sweet summit]

just equip cloth items 🙂

[blazing condor]

Slutmog potential

[oblique garnet]

Convert dom shard gear to tier sets ez

[cobalt seal]

okay, didn't think of that

[minor helm]

[brittle owl]

you rarely think anyway

[cobalt seal]

hey hey

you can't tell the truth like that

[blazing condor]

Why tf should i waste energy on thinking

I need to bulk

[carmine pine]

It's part of playing warrior

[strong forum]

we could wear 2 dom slots as plate

[carmine pine]

No think

[strong forum]

wrist + belt

[carmine pine]

Only pump

[strong forum]

or wait

was belt even dom shard slot?

[brittle owl]

yes dom me with the belt daddy

i mean

what

[strong forum]

wrong disc

smh

[brittle owl]

[carmine pine]

It was wrist gloves I believe

[brittle owl]

maybe its wrists pants

[strong forum]

then we'd have to recraft unity

[brittle owl]

or glove pants

[blazing condor]

Head chest bracers gloves pants i fink

[shut summit]

gona recraft when legos dont upg anyways

[brittle owl]

big brain

[strong forum]

well ye...

but thatd be very stupid if leggos couldnt be higher than 291

wed recraft on fucking cloak and

[shut summit]

prepare to be stupified

[brittle owl]

nom out here

popping a rrhoid

[strong forum]

whatever the weakest slot is for rep

[brittle owl]

or getting ready to

[sweet summit]

boots...

[strong forum]

is it?

[sweet summit]

rep is boots/legs no?

[strong forum]

idk i havent thought about rep slots since 9.0.5

[sick sentinel]

legs

cuz lose a tier set

[strong forum]

ye its legs feet

[sick sentinel]

makes sense, since its all about charging

running fast

[brittle owl]

feet

[sick sentinel]

how about we get that torghast when you leap you do an earthquake below you

[waxen orbit]

Based Yogi

[chrome falcon]

wow yeah

that sounds awesome

using our best mobility spell on cooldown for damage

and it has a minimum range to be cast?

damn hell yeah!

[waxen orbit]

Just give us Leaper

[chrome falcon]

reprisal 2.0 baby bring it on!

[sick sentinel]

... u have better idea?

[urban portal]

yeah

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[urban portal]

20% damage

[chrome falcon]

literally anything OTHER than what you just said

[urban portal]

thats the lggo

[waxen orbit]

I’m just looking at it from the lens of it being a fun build for low keys

[sick sentinel]

that sounds like absence of idea to me

[chrome falcon]

no idea is better than a bad idea

adding that to the game would make us way more annoying to play

[sick sentinel]

lets face it, guy with shield and no magic, is pretty boring, no matter the game

[lofty widget]

not to mentin the countless times youd die cause you are leaping behind mobs

[urban portal]

not neccesarily

[sick sentinel]

always easier to play as the mage

[urban portal]

warrior is a guy with no magic

and its very popular

in not just wow but all rpgs

[strong forum]

thunderclap pulls 3 enemies in within 20y to you

now THATS the best anima power

[karmic plinth]

put rumbling earth on thunder clap instead of leap and tune damage for it

would actually be cool

[sick sentinel]

nah, enemies for 25 yards cant target u bis

everything collapse in a second, no archer bitches

[strong forum]

that one is only good in torghast

[waxen orbit]

Sometimes you want adds separated

[karmic plinth]

use it to troll your ranged when you kite

[sick sentinel]

SS casts WW, gives it some use....

[strong forum]

that would also own hard

its one of the best dmg powers

[urban portal]

ss casting ww

[grave crane]

i like the TC idea and the ss casting another thing. TC bringing shit into us would actually be good

[urban portal]

with mbg

sheesh

[lofty widget]

ww casting SS?

on all mobs it hits

[grave crane]

sheesh indeed that would be dope and no way thats way too good lol

[waxen orbit]

Nope OP

But WW on SS?

Balanced enough

[lofty widget]

[strong forum]

then talent into seismic in DF

GG

[chrome falcon]

WW on SS would not be remotely balanced with MBG

so yeah make it happen blizz

[urban portal]

they could make something like

revenge buffs next tc

[grave crane]

ww should generate rage instead of cost it and then it would be decent

[urban portal]

tc buffs next revenge

[strong forum]

so legion vengeance

but TC instead of IP

[lofty widget]

show of force isnt it?

[strong forum]

show of force doesnt have the back and forth

[urban portal]

yeah but better

[lofty widget]

yeh

[urban portal]

the back and forth could be interesting

[strong forum]

SoF would be amazing if it wasnt 20%

but more like idk

200%

or a stacking buff

[urban portal]

it all stems on the fact that TC blows dick

if it hits harder then maybe itll be good

[grave crane]

yeah tune it or let it stack and it would be decent

[strong forum]

yes

[waxen orbit]

Legendary named Legacy of the Raging Phalanx

Shield Slam casts whirlwind and for every target hit by Whirlwind the CD on Shield Block is reduced by 2 seconds

Replace Reprisal

EZ

[strong forum]

sorry too simple

[lofty widget]

sounds ass on st

[grave crane]

you need to have intervene in there somewhere

[strong forum]

pwar needs to be carpal tunnel spec to not nerf it

[waxen orbit]

Shit you’re right my bad

Cant wait to clock 86 CPM on 28s this week

Necrotic fort weeks

[strong forum]

looking back to BFA, it really was dumbfuck simple compared to now

you didnt have to think about revenge vs ip

you didnt care about charging

you didnt need to worry about banner

[chrome falcon]

nom joining me in the "BFA prot warrior was the worst iteration in the last 10 years" camp?

[strong forum]

not the worst iteration

but people liked it cuz it was so easy and did big dam

[waxen orbit]

I’ve been in that camp for a year homie

[strong forum]

and back in BFA i said that it was "hard"

now im really ashamed to admit that

[waxen orbit]

I like my prot warrior how I like my women

Overly complicated and infinitely more stressful than the other options

[lofty widget]

probably was considered hard back than comparatively?

but idk was a noob in bfa

[strong forum]

you could tell the difference between a good and a bad pwar back then

still very easily

[shut summit]

i love and hate how prot is atm

[strong forum]

i love the pacing and skillcap, i dont like the punishment for being lazy even for a few globals

[urban portal]

@shut summit while you are here, how was prot warrior in keys before reprisal

[strong forum]

was fine

you just played bolster instead of AM

and you had the wall

you just had less block uptime and play more around that

[urban portal]

you actually played bolster?

i thought you played HR

[strong forum]

yes

?

HR isnt viable without reprisal

[urban portal]

i see

[strong forum]

you could achieve 70% blocked hits pre-reprisal

[shut summit]

i dont even remember, think i used seismic back then with bolster

[strong forum]

so the same as bad pwars do now

[urban portal]

sheesh

that sounds lit

[waxen orbit]

I’ve seen some bad pwars somehow break past 3500 bro shit is wild

[strong forum]

Tattman had 69% blocked hits with reprisal+hr

btw

this season

[waxen orbit]

Spamming TC off CD and wasting all empowerments on TC, running Bolster with reprisal, running SoF

[lofty widget]

jesus

[waxen orbit]

Shit’s weird

[strong forum]

this was early january

bolster+wall

only 56 cpm

reprisal alone adds 10cpm to the spec

[shut summit]

not even counting the movement either

die reprisal

[waxen orbit]

idk this version of prot warrior is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[strong forum]

idk this version of prot warrior is hard 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing small dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[modern brook]

idk this version of prot warrior is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[hazy edge]

[dawn canyon]

yuuge

[shut summit]

just in time

[hazy edge]

I just noticed this had a socket 👀 idk what to take, time to sim I guess

[dawn canyon]

damn

TIL yumy has a pwar

[hazy edge]

neck it is I guess

[strong forum]

woah hes big

almost at simcap

[urban portal]

hast to be neck right

trinkets that require thinking is cronge

[hazy edge]

ye

[strong forum]

well yer, neck also translates better into aoe

[hazy edge]

It want's me using double on use as well if I take the trinket

[urban portal]

are you actually using meat hook

[hazy edge]

now just 🙏 I get shield from lords

[hazy edge]

ye

[strong forum]

meathook is stable dps

[hazy edge]

it's not that bad

[strong forum]

no variance

[hazy edge]

^

[strong forum]

good prio damgur

[hazy edge]

can still charge weave too cause it's a 16 yd range

I just have it macro'd into banner since both are 2 min

[urban portal]

its just that its ST

dont like it when giga padding in keys

[strong forum]

well there you use opc instead

[hazy edge]

Oh I don't use it in keys

only for raid

opc is too nice

opc+soleah's for keys hook+phial for raid

[mighty valley]

I gotta have sigil for execute pump

[chrome falcon]

yeah i'm 100% buying sigil first

[dawn canyon]

No OWS?

[urban portal]

@hazy edgewhat rank jaithys did blood use

[hazy edge]

4

5 on bosses in keys if you had a second at 4 or a 252 for trash you could swap to.

[urban portal]

and 5 in raid right

[hazy edge]

ye

but like, the difference between 4 and 5 is marginal

[atomic gorge]

Pins mention seismic but I haven’t heard anyone else talk about it at all everyone I’ve spoke to recommends reprisal. Is seismic a meme or just unpopular ?

[lofty widget]

it's good for dmg in low keys

but not recomended for pushing keys

[atomic gorge]

Probably not good for newbies I’m assuming ? And low maybe 15-17?

[chrome falcon]

seismic is good for damage but is harder to play

[lofty widget]

low depends on your comfort lvl, i'd just get used to rep if you wanna push higher

it's harder to keep up banner with seismic

[chrome falcon]

^

and less rage gen

until you're actually good at the spec, seismic probably less dam that reprisal and much squishier

[atomic gorge]

Okay thank you I think I’ll stay with reprisal too small brain just barley hitting 60

I’ve heard rumors that people will choose the same person to reprisal, I assume is not ideal but is it acceptable practice ? If so is it always another melee ? Do y’all use reprisal mouseover maccro ?

[lofty widget]

yeah you usually intervene ppl in melee

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] intervene; charge

i use this charge/intervene macro

it's mouseover

for intervene only

[mighty valley]

you generally want to hit intervene on CD when possible so you often don't care about who you target

[urban portal]

some people focus macro a melee

and intervene on cd

its baiscally optimal now that we dont have room for a finesse conduit

[mighty valley]

i just like. identify a melee's position on the raid frames and hit them most of the time

focus target has a chance to fuck you up if they're gone somewhere weird for some reason

[mellow bridge]

wdym we dont have room for a finesse conduit

[urban portal]

marileth runs triple potency triple endurance

hard to fit

[lofty widget]

swap CAS for safeguard

ez

[urban portal]

hate how you cant give up ashen jug in keys

for finesse

sphere is a decent amount of hps

[waxen orbit]

Uh what

No undulating maneuvers substitutes sphere easily

[mellow bridge]

yeah

you run maneuvers + safeguard for m+

[waxen orbit]

I literally run 3 p 2 e 1 f all the time

[mellow bridge]

raid obv the rally one instead of safeguard

[waxen orbit]

Shockwave CDR cond also good

[mellow bridge]

mh never tried that

[waxen orbit]

Ran it in some 26/27s last night

[mellow bridge]

safeguard feels very nice on tyra especially

[waxen orbit]

Felt pretty clean

Especially nice if you don’t have leg sweep

[urban portal]

yeah condense is definitely doable to give up

but its a lot of passive hps

[waxen orbit]

As is undulating

[lofty widget]

300.. alot.. idk

[mighty valley]

Does anyone know if the Details tracking of IP is counting overcapping? or is that all effective numbers?

[lofty widget]

i think its the amount going into your absorb

so counts for 0 if youre capped already

[mighty valley]

ok, so it's not overblowing it

[urban portal]

i think you have to absorb something for it to count

so anything going expired doesnt count

[strong forum]

it only shows the actual absorbed dmg of IP

[urban portal]

well technically thats not hps, it just smoothes damage intake

[strong forum]

not the potential absorbed dmg

[urban portal]

and smoothing 5% only above 80% is not a lot

[mighty valley]

that's good, i was mostly wondering if it was exaggerating the effect of IP

[urban portal]

but if i need to take safeguard ill do it

or rally conduit

[waxen orbit]

It absolutely is over the course of the entire key

[strong forum]

undulating does like a good 300 hps

Indom works greatly against undulating

so its almost like actual 5% DR

[waxen orbit]

5% of a 20k melee on a fort bolstered week

[urban portal]

so its about the same then, and you get a finesse conduit on top of it

[strong forum]

yup

[waxen orbit]

And yea

[strong forum]

thwump

[waxen orbit]

Wait

BRO IM TARDED

[strong forum]

think real hard

[waxen orbit]

IT DOESNT EXISt

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[strong forum]

grug moment right there

[waxen orbit]

Listen listen

Stayed up until 6 am keying and I’m at work

Brain is full zug

Cant wait to come home and open my vault to get a 27

And see it be

Fucking

[dawn canyon]

spires

[waxen orbit]

Nah spires is fine

Not amazing

But doable

Mists

Spiteful mists

Kill me

[lofty widget]

mists ez warmup

[waxen orbit]

Also don’t need a 27 mists

[lofty widget]

thats why you play nelf so you can meld the gates

[waxen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[dry spear]

how important is ilvl versus 2nd stats on rings?? like a crit versa 278 or a haste versa 272? haste + ? > all?

[waxen orbit]

Ilvl >

Always

[lofty widget]

jewelerry doesnt have mainstat its ok to drop a few ilvl

[waxen orbit]

Vers is overrated

[dawn canyon]

on ring haste>>

[lofty widget]

yah rings without haste are cringe

[dry spear]

ok good to know. then i swap my max ilvl rings for a haste ++ ring 272

[urban portal]

as long as it has haste

and not mastery

its fine

i value crit and vers about the same

crit is more damage

but does Z vs magic hits

[dry spear]

I got two crit versa rings on me 278. then one versa haste ring 272. the rest is haste mastery 272. one haste mastery ring got a socket

[waxen orbit]

Big parries big revenge procs

[dry spear]

We progress ryga tomorrow and i go tank there

[lofty widget]

revenge procs capped to 3 cpm tho

[waxen orbit]

33% crit

Ez

[dry spear]

And i wanna do the best setup for that fight

[ocean yoke]

rygelon was fun AF

i thought at least

[strong forum]

sense literally does 30s with 9% vers

shit does NOT matter

[mighty valley]

gearing is so easy for the rest of the expac, feels like you get haste in the 30s basically for free so i just do ilvl >

[strong forum]

yea

[urban portal]

if you wanna do some feelycrafting

on rygelon

then dont take crit

thats really it

even then

[strong forum]

well tbf, in s4 haste past 40 will gain some value actually

cuz the seasonal affix multiplies haste

[urban portal]

i thought its just giving 2% haste

[strong forum]

so the more haste you get, the better haste becomes

yes

[urban portal]

oh right

[strong forum]

2% per stack

[urban portal]

haste is multili

yea

and every other stat is add

[strong forum]

ye

cuz when youre at 0% haste, youre in reality at 100% haste

[jagged pier]

☝️

[ocean yoke]

so works the same as ITF?

[strong forum]

cuz true 0% haste would mean literally no action

[ocean yoke]

or am i dumb and reading it wrong

[lofty widget]

yes its % increases

[strong forum]

ANY %haste gains are multiplicative

[urban portal]

all haste "adding" is like that

[ocean yoke]

hell yeah

[mighty valley]

only rating increases get hit by DR

[strong forum]

so lust, ITF, shrouded haste gains are multiplicative and make it so haste gets better the more you have of it

which is also why if you sim ITF, it tells you to socket haste

if you sim ST with ravager, its likely to tell you to socket crit

[patent osprey]

verse <3

[strong forum]

imagine picking 15% vers when you could get 30% haste

smh

[patent osprey]

why not both

[strong forum]

cuz you can only pick 1

[patent osprey]

oh ur talking about the seasonal affix kek

[strong forum]

in terms of gearing, sure vers is good

it actually increases indom healing so its quite alot of self sustain gains with the amount of rage we pump

with 27% vers you heal for 1.27% instead of 1% of max HP per 10 rage

which is not an insignificant amount

[urban portal]

imagine if they kept the 30% vers tho

[strong forum]

it would be degenerate

[urban portal]

and i thought the healing wasnt affected by vers

[oblique garnet]

Crit owns

[urban portal]

then vers in a way double dips

[strong forum]

they specifically nerfed the vers option because of BFA s4

[mighty valley]

vers has extremely high value for logging out in so people come to this discord to ask how much vers they need to play tank

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

nah Late, in S4 you will 100% pick haste all the time

the multiplicative gain is too powerful to pass up

[oblique garnet]

Parry + big dam

[strong forum]

you dont get parry

from %crit

[urban portal]

really?

that fking blows

[strong forum]

yup

[urban portal]

only from rating

im assuming

[strong forum]

you gain parry from crit rating

[oblique garnet]

Cringe game

[urban portal]

so theres literally no reason to not take haste

[waxen orbit]

I parry 33% of hits in my logs most of the time

[strong forum]

same as you didnt get parry from %crit corruptions in BFA

[oblique garnet]

Wait whats the seasonal affix

[lofty widget]

how do you see parried hits

[strong forum]

seasonal affix grants you 2% haste per stack

you get 2 stacks per miniboss

[grave crane]

So the seasonal affix won’t give you more parry if you choose crit?

[strong forum]

there are 5-10 minibosses in the key

[waxen orbit]

WarcraftLogs but I can show in actual detail when I get home

[strong forum]

nop

[oblique garnet]

[grave crane]

Boooooo

[carmine pine]

Pick haste and just gear for more crit

[oblique garnet]

So you play 0 minibosses

[carmine pine]

[strong forum]

you cant play 0

[grave crane]

Haste it is then as always

[oblique garnet]

Why not

[strong forum]

theyre in normal packs

[lofty widget]

that?

[waxen orbit]

Yeah

[strong forum]

theyre like beguiling

[waxen orbit]

I think

[lofty widget]

25 %

[strong forum]

literally replace some mobs in packs

[urban portal]

those dont even give % right

[strong forum]

ye

[oblique garnet]

[urban portal]

so routes are scuffed

[strong forum]

depends if they fix it or not

[oblique garnet]

So in other words its pure garbage affix got it

[strong forum]

but they dont give count, you dont want to skip them cuz theyre big power gains

the mobs themselves arent too dangerous

except the named minibosses can fuck you up

theyre overtuned a bit

theres not many of them per key tho

but they do give like 4 stacks instead of 2

[sand pebble]

how does picking the stat work - first time you kill one?

[strong forum]

on average youll end up with like 20 stacks of the buff, in workshop only 11

[minor helm]

Start of key

[strong forum]

you pick stats before the key starts

theres an NPC you have to talk to

if you forget to talk to NPC, you get vers by default

so at the end of most dungeons, if you pick haste, youll be at 70-100% haste

perma

[urban portal]

das lit

is there a reason to take itf

[sand pebble]

does gaining the buff change the stats given/gained from so'leahs?

[urban portal]

im assuming no still for snap aggro

[urban portal]

shouldnt

[strong forum]

nah ravager is too strong on aoe

[urban portal]

because soleahs looks for rating

[sand pebble]

awesome

[strong forum]

shouldnt

ITF is 10% but keep in mind you need 4 allies + 1 enemy to get full benefit on bosses

so unless you have a hunter + pet + melee + another pet or melee, you cant guarantee getting full ITF stacks when its the most important

and on packs ravager is just vastly dominant over ITF

the more targets you get, especially over 4, the better ravager gets

[strong forum]

this part here is the biggest reason why ITF is bad in keys

[urban portal]

ravager is always a net rage gain right

[mighty valley]

what the fuck is our cpm gonna look like with nearly 100% haste

[minor helm]

69

[strong forum]

close to 100

[mighty valley]

sadly we're already way past 69

[minor helm]

[mighty valley]

next cool number is 420

[strong forum]

on PF first boss with slime + necro + lust i average around 100cpm

which is around 100-130% haste

[waxen orbit]

I usually break 24k ST on first boss with that haste

P sure 100-105 CPM

We’re pretty busted with that much haste

[strong forum]

well boss dmg scales with key level

cuz reflect

[waxen orbit]

Yerr

[open gazelle]

Mage tower complete… no bis trinkets no gear changes just used by save death trinket is all

[waxen orbit]

Maybe like 20-21k on 22-17

24k from 26 and up

[strong forum]

on 24 tyr i did like 19k

[waxen orbit]

Nb

[strong forum]

on 25 it was 21k

104cpm

on pf24

[waxen orbit]

Nice

I kinda like the high CPM

Won’t cap

[strong forum]

ya around 100-150% haste the game gets real good

[strong forum]

grats

[chilly brook]

Don’t we all?

[dawn canyon]

i will not ping hin

but you know who i mean

[minor helm]

[chilly brook]

People like to say they want the spec slower

Then the beginning of an xpac rolls around

And it’s bitching about dead globals

[dry spear]

I see the pin about the codex. And i dont have that much tank trinkets on me. Should i rather take a mythic OWS over a 272 codex? The other trinket i have is a phial 272 and a sigil hc. Rest is dps stuff like the OPC.

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

yes

[urban portal]

codex is fine for specifically rygelon isnt it

[strong forum]

ows is one of the best trinkets

[strong forum]

not even that

its literal bin tier for us

[urban portal]

not good on ryg anymore?

i see

thought ryg still went crazy

tho nerfs

[strong forum]

nah not a single pwar even used codex on ryg pre-nerf

[sand pebble]

im using codex - to tank heroic 5 mans

[dawn canyon]

easily soleah opc

imo

[strong forum]

highest current dmg log with codex equipped is only 570dps from codex

which is about what phial does

but without the gain of str

literal garbage tier trinket

[dry spear]

Ok then i go with ows and phial or ows and opc?

[strong forum]

phial for ST
OPC for m+

[dry spear]

Thank you. Ryga counts as st i guess

[chilly brook]

Yea

You’re hardly doing anything to the orbs

[strong forum]

for raiding id recommend ows+sigil then

[chilly brook]

But sigil def

[strong forum]

or phial+sigil

whatever sims higher for you

[dry spear]

Sigil is only hc version

[chilly brook]

I’d OWS/sigil personally

[strong forum]

sigil is mad big pump during execute

[chilly brook]

Still busted af

You’re getting a huge damage amp during your biggest damage window

[strong forum]

20sec of +30% dmg is massive

youll hit like 50-60k executes

[chilly brook]

Especially during lust/execute

[dry spear]

Then i will sim sigil phial and sigil ows

[strong forum]

ye

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure if you get 2 uses sigil>everything