#Stuttering in a lot of games

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bright mulch
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Hi, I have recently built a new PC after more than 12 years. Coming from a variety of consoles, I'm having a hard time differentiating between game issues and issues specific to my pc.

I know a lot of people will tell me that so many games are not optimized well and that some problems are common, but based on comparing with YouTube videos showcasing similar components, I still feel that something is wrong with my PC.

The specs are: X870 Steel Legend, 9800x3D, 9070XT Steel Legend, 32gb of Patriot Hynix cl30 6000 expo, 2x SN 850X and a bequiet pure power 12m 750w.

I didn't upgrade or update anything, clean windows 11 install with a brand new sandisk usb drive. For every single driver update I used DDU in safe mode, every single thing is up to date, no unnecessary software or antivirus, absolutely nothing.

It feels like I'm having issues in every single game I try. To keep this short I will give a nust few examples. Far Cry 6, I know people say it's a stuttery mess because of the dunia engine, but there is a yt video proving that someone with a 9800x3d and a nitro plus 9070xt has a much better frame time graph than I do, someone with a 9800x3d and a 5080 has a 100% smooth experience.

I'm having similar issues with NMS, and again you tubers and streamers have a much smoother experience even when comparing amd to amd.

FH5 & 3 also have frequent frame time spikes. It feels that anything I play has to be full of compromises, but people on YouTube with different varieties of 9070xt just cruise through.

At this point I'm starting to really regret my decision to go with ASRock and I'm inclined to blame their bios/gpu bios. Because that's the only difference I can see comparing to other people.

Thing is, the Gpu seems pretty well binned, I can run - 100mv in cyberpunk, a bunch of Vram oc with fast timings (these settings do not affect stuttering at all)

Could a 750w power supply cause these kind of stutters? A good A tier 850w one is quite expensive where I live.

spring patio
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Not sure how helpful this will be. I have the same gpu and mine runs pretty smooth.
My install of windows is not fresh and for cpu im rocking 5950x.

But ive heard of some people setting the limit for game fps to 1 less than the monitor (if monitor is 144, using another program to limit to 143) refreshrate for amd freesync can help microstuttering.

I have seen my gpu spike to 450 watts randomly here and there in my monitoring program so maybe psu related but id try to limit the fps for games to one less or turning off vsync in those games maybe.

bright mulch
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Thing is, I am copying the exact settings from the YouTube video, guy even has a bunch of recording software and rivatuner, still I'm stuttering like crazy when driving in FC6 and he isn't, sapphire nitro plus and different motherboard.

Do you mind telling me what games you play, maybe we share at least 1 so I can ask you about it, I would really appreciate it!

Also, I know my way around freesync etc., my monitor is 180hz, I usually cap it at 177 in game or testing chill/framerate target. I have literally everything set to off in adrenalin, enabling as necessary.

spring patio
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Mostly ark. But with the driver override of fsr4 not being there ive basically only been playing breath of fire 4.

I did play expedition 33 though recently and it ran smooth. As far as settings I just have the toggle for "favor performance" turned on and left the fan profile and everything else stock in Radeon software but I have on the preview driver version. So not 25.6.3(1) but kn the 25.10.13.02 driver version.

I dont have fc6 but I have cyberpunk I can test?

bright mulch
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Funny enough, cyberpunk is one of the games that does sort of behave. I don't have stuttering but moving the camera while driving is weird and laggy especially in dogtown.

In cyberpunk I'm running full psycho settings with - 100mv and I get 49fps in the benchmark native. With fsr4 quality I still drop to 59 in the park or dogtown so I usually keep it at balanced to guarantee 70+ everywhere. And of course in many parts of the city it's at 90-110.

I saw some reddit posts and someone with a more expensive 9070xt got 52 in the benchmark native, so I think that's normal to get 49. A lot of people have the 360w + versions.

Cyberpunk fps depends so much on the area though, I don't know where you are in the story so I don't want to spoil anything.

spring patio
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I think i beat act 1. I need to just reply it probably. I have a mixture of high and ultra. Only have fsr3 option with ray tracing on, path tracing off, with frame gen on and quality for fsr 3 it feels smooth in dog town. just got over there.

bright mulch
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If you have a few minutes, please put everything to psycho, no path tracing and run the settings benchmark fsr to off.

spring patio
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ray tracing is set to psycho

bright mulch
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With everything fully maxed and crowd density high no upscaling I get 49 avg in the benchmark. But I think that's normal.

I assume you have at least 850w psu?

spring patio
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I have a 1300watt evga

bright mulch
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Damn, ok. I ran an occt power draw test for 15 min and the 9800 was pulling 150w, gpu had 505 spike and nothing happened, no crash nothing. Games pull way less than that, I'm just afraid I'll spend a bunch of money for no reason.

spring patio
bright mulch
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Ooh you have the dual ccd cpu, that might affect behaviour in games, right?

spring patio
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yeah in most games i actually force limit to 1 ccd

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but no 3dvache etc so lower is to be expended

bright mulch
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Still, similar benchmarks, I don't think that has anything to do with it.

I don't think my storage is bad, the sn850x have cache and everything, should be more than decent...

Some games run well, like cyberpunk and starfield for example, but others don't match the YouTube videos at all. I can blame the game but if someone proves it's running perfectly on similar specs, that's the main issue.

Like, I'm not in love with FC6, I brought the save I had from Google stadia and xbox and it just obsesses me when I see way more stutter than the video with the nitro+ and the same 9800x3d.

spring patio
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but these are the settings I would normally use. quality fsr upscaling to get better fps and frame gen on to me helps it feel smoother to me personally I know a lot of poeple dont like frame gen. to me I like it as a tool to feel more smooth would I want 4x frame gen? no

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once fsr4 is in base game I'll prob replay it. I know if you go back to the older drivers it is supposed to work but I'll wait

bright mulch
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Off topic, but you should really use the latest optiscaler nightly, it even allowed me to enable fsr4 in the actual game settings and it's so much better.

If you don't like it, you can even uninstall it with 1 click.

spring patio
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crowd set to high, motion blur off

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bright mulch
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Yeah, don't inject optiscaler in anything online, might get banned.

spring patio
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yup lol

bright mulch
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But thank you for trying cyberpunk, hard to find benchmarks for the asrock.

spring patio
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NP. I really like the card. I actually did a sidegrade/downgrade/upgrade depending on how you look at it. I wanted FSR 4 so my dad picked it up and I offered to trade him my 7900xtx

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it's cooll enough that the stock fan profile keeps it cool enough and since the performance feels good enough I didn't bother trying to OC etc

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it "just worked" and I liked it

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As I said, it seems well binned, overclocks so easily without crashing. I also keep stock fan profile, it's not getting hot at all.

Maybe I'll have to just get a a different PSU and return it if it's not the cause...

spring patio
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if you dont mind me asking your psu do you have 2 8pins or using one of those ones that piggyback from the 1 cable for both?

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I'm running 2 separate cables, 1 for each slot on the Gpu.

The Psu has a bunch of them plus the high power 600w one.

No adapters or anything like that, the cpu also has both power cables plugged in.

I even tested different Hynix ram from Kingston and the same type of stutter was there, 0 change.

spring patio
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750 should be able to cover the spikes from cpu and gpu I think. I've seen mine spiike to 450 every now and again but it sits around 306ish mostly. Doesn't mean psu isn't bad but 750 I think would be enough.

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Maybe download gpuz and log while gaming and see if anything looks off when it happens

bright mulch
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I have tried to monitor with HWinfo 64 and nothing unusual happened. Of course I tried playing without any software opened, not even seeing the framerate, but nothing changed.

I'm curious, with your psu does the Gpu have coil whine when pushing high fps?

spring patio
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my psu has coil whine XD

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idk if the gpu does or doesn't since the psu does lol

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plan to replace at some point just not a top of list. it works so

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keeping it rockin

bright mulch
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Oh, I see. Thanks for all the help. Hopefully I'll get to the bottom of this eventually.

spring patio
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Hopefully you do. your system is pretty nice.

cyan zealot
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# cyan zealot same goes on me, mine FSP Dagger Pro on Sapphire RX9070 Nitro+ _LOL_ if power s...

I thought so, but during the occt test the cpu was pulling 150w, the Gpu had spikes of 505 and nothing happened, I could use windows normally.

Most games that act weirdly don't even use more than 30-50% of the cpu...

And why would cyberpunk run without stutters even in the most demanding areas if power was an issue.

Using FC6 as an example again, someone on YouTube with a 9800x3d and a Sapphire Nitro plus was having less stutters during driving than I do, even though we both have similar fps on max settings no upscaling. Someone with a 5080 and 9800x3d had 0 stutters, perfect frame graph.

So even if digital foundry talked about the dunia engine stutters, some people manage to have a good experience.

And even when it comes to cyberpunk, you can see above Zulwarn got 44 fps no upscaling with a cpu that should be worse than 9800x3d in gaming and I barely get 49 with a -100mv undervolt and +10 power limit... I probably also get 44 with stock. So something seems off.

half tiger
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# half tiger make sure global c-state control is set to Enabled in bios, not auto. Also make ...

Ok, thanks, I will try.

I've done some more testing today with some games I own or demos, and almost all do it. I hit new game and the moment I start playing I hear the coil whine going bzt bzzt bzt because of the frame time spikes/stutters. Obviously it's very visible during gameplay as well.

After playing for a bit it seems to calm down and it appears smoother. It did this in Last Epoch, Code Vein demo, re4 demo. The only game that worked perfectly from the start was RE Village. This one had flat graphs in the castle demo.

Do you think the 750w psu can be causing this? I'm thinking of ordering a 850w one, but something tells me it's not related.

half tiger
# bright mulch Ok, thanks, I will try. I've done some more testing today with some games I own...

It really depends on the 750w PSU model, but unlikely. You say your PSU has the 12vhpwr/12v 2x6 on it, so it's a newer model and modern PSUs are able to handle short transient spikes from modern GPUs. On average you're probably pulling like maybe 450w while gaming, so it's unlikely to be the PSU unless it's just a cheap terrible PSU. I have a much higher power draw system and even I would be struggling to push 750w.

This doesn't mean it's definitely not your PSU, but it is unlikely to be the cause. It's probably the c-state issue with 9800x3d. It's fairly common and you can look it up.

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this is the highest power draw I've ever seen out of my system while gaming and that's from the wall..So depending on PSU efficiency, that's around 640 - 690w the PSU is pushing. 7900 xtx set to 467w and 5950x (around 120w while gaming). So I very seriously doubt you're pushing the limits of your PSU.

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# half tiger make sure global c-state control is set to Enabled in bios, not auto. Also make ...

Honestly, I don't think it changed anything. On my motherboard I'm pretty sure auto was always enabled for c states, because I would have noticed higher power usage or temps during idle. Setting to enabled seems to be identical.

I still have random spikes even playing something easy to run like control..

The game freezes for a fraction of a second and then if I look at my second monitor I see the spike at least 2 times taller than the rest of the graph.

Far cry 6 is another good example because it's famous for traversal stutter, and still some guy on YouTube with 9800x3d and a nitro+ 9070xt has less stutter than I do, and someone with 9800x3d and 5080 was having 0 stutters.

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Every single game that I play stutters with no pattern or logic. I keep trying demos like FF XVI, Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The beginning sequence starts, seems smooth, then huge stutter after stutter. Sometimes they go back to feeling ok only to do it again.

Does anyone at all have any idea because I'm getting close to just selling this thing at a huge loss and calling it a day.

I think I'm decent with tech and I've tried literally everything, I have everything accounted for.

Built it myself and closed the case, knew it was going to boot first try, peerless assassin for the 9800x3d, contact frame and noctua nth paste. Everything stable no weird behaviour, good 1% lows, except the damn stutters...

bright mulch
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Look, this is what happens during the opening of FF XVI, every single time without recording, and on YouTube it's perfectly smooth so it's not the game. It was running at 100 fps for 1 min before this started.

quiet ginkgo
spring patio
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what's your storage situation looking like?

bright mulch
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spring patio
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I dont have ff16 so I can't test. Does changing settings at all help? (IE high instead of ultra for textures etc)

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also if rebar is turned on have you tried to togggle off in bios to see if that changes anything or vise versa?

bright mulch
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I'm starting to think this ASRock card is a dud. I'm testing resident evil 3 demo right now on the cpu igpu and even at 30 fps I swear it's smoother than the 9070xt. Unless this is some extreme placebo..

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So I tested Resident Evil 3 demo with both the 9070xt and the 9800x3d Igpu set to 30 fps and the 9070xt still stutters while the igpu is smooth, how is this even possible??

spring patio
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you prob are but are you in the correct pcei slot? and is the turned on in mobo to gen5/gen4?

bright mulch
# spring patio you prob are but are you in the correct pcei slot? and is the turned on in mobo ...

Yes, of course. Gpuz shows gen 5.

The story is the same, almost every game that I try, full or demo or trial or whatever has insane stutters at the beginning, with some sort of stabilising, and some just stuttering all the time.

This is not the normal kind, the asset loading or related to shader cache. That would mean that for example everyone that has played Final Fantasy XVI had their intro ruined, which is clearly not the case because so many people streamed it on weaker cards with no issues.

And as you can see above, my intro was ruined.

spring patio
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I dont have ff16 so I can't test if same thing is happening to me. But most other games I play are perfectly fine.

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spring patio
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how far into the demo do you get before it starts stuttering? I killed a few zombies and the time I had stutter was when I alt tabbed

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it does act a little weird when you ADS and it locks into the tight cursour mode where it doesn't actually let you move the mouse for like a fraction of a second but my gpu is on stock fan profile and just has the option of "favor performance" toggled in in the radeon software

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got to the part where they break the cage and you go down the stairs the zombies far away are not smooth in motion of my character is smoth. So I think that part is just he game

spring patio
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I did alt tab 1 too many times and the game glitched out for me lol

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I did hit like 2 stutters when running up some stairs and turning fast, but it was very minor. idk if the recordings I took will show it. The first recording looks choppy but it was smooth on my end.
My temps after 20 mins are all fine, so no issues there either. The zombies far away act super laggy though and very choppy like low frames but my gameplay was smooth other than that. I'll post the links to yt once they finish uploading

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I think the link will get nerfed I think but so I'll post the end part. watch?v=Fw3r9tu6i_8
The gameplay doesn't look smooth in the recording but it was smooth for me while playing. I just used the built in windows recorder.

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around 30 seconds in when I did the quick turn around was the only time I noticed stutter and the recording didn't seem to capture it.

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# spring patio I think the link will get nerfed I think but so I'll post the end part. watch?v...

Wow, thank you, you didn't have to do all of that. From what I can see yours seems pretty normal. For me I get stutters going up and down stairs, around corners, opening doors, it doesn't end. I will try again a bit later and compare with your video if it's still up.

Obviously, I wouldn't care if it happened to me just in this, because it's a demo, not even final release. Problem is almost 80% of the games that I try do it. Even something like Doom 2016 goes crazy for me, pretty much unplayable.

spring patio
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Which driver were you on?
I was on the preview driver with toggles for fsr4 in some games.

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spring patio
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this is the one I am using

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maybe try this and see if it helps

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or just wait a day or two and see if 8.1 is anybetter when it drops

bright mulch
# spring patio this is the one I am using

Sure, I think I'm going to take the Gpu out, clear cmos, check the Psu cables maybe there's a different way to plug them and then reseat the Gpu. And try those drivers

I mean if I have an extra power slot to try but I don't think so. I'm already using 2 cables.

spring patio
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it's probably not turned on but see if your bios has a setting for CSM and make sure it's turned toff. It's some compatbility thingy. idk what it fully does but I had mine turned on and it was giving me issues.

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spring patio
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I get that.

So the whole reason to troubleshoot is to see if it's just the card, or something else etc.

I have the same card you have 9070 xt Steel Legend. So this is almost as like for like as we can get. It is seeming like you might need to RMA the card with asrock but before doing all that just trying to see if there are other things that might have gotten turned on or if it's something else with the system. igpu worked fine so we know that the cpu is prob not defective.

It's looking like it might be defective since I have the same card and in the demo it was fine for me.

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spring patio
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I did get a weird color glitch in racoon city when i alt tabbed like 20 times.

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spring patio
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I had everything open.

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discord because I was typing earlier when I was testing it out yt because I was listening to a video, gpuz, hwfino etc. Relauching the game fixed it but I alt tabbed like 823904823904 times out of it

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spring patio
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clearing cmos prob good enough.

tbh I think my mobo is failing. Sometimes when I turn on my pc the usbs dont work until I reboot lol

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but it's still working kinda so imma keep rocking it

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spring patio
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asus tuff x570