Tempo Raylla Protoss Mage

[primal pasture]

Been on a bit of a crazy streak with this deck this month.

Ended last month at 4k legend with the imbue version of this deck, ditched the imbue stuff (no one believed) and...

It seems they were correct. I'm doing a good deal better with different tempo cards in place of the imbue.

Elise copy, +2 attack, raptors, and spell discovers are all cracked. Even deathrattle AoE is very strong at times (like against discover hunter to open the door to the face)

Scrappy scavengers are good 1 drops, and in the late game has some pretty crazy stuff available to it. It also fills in any awkward Mana turn.

Currently reached 321 legend with this, not sure when the climb will stop.

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[grave cedar]

### Protoss Mage
# Cost: 10880
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 1x (1) Divine Brew
# ⬜ 2x (1) Scrappy Scavenger
# ⬜ 2x (1) Seabreeze Chalice
# ⬜ 2x (2) Creature of Madness
# ⬜ 2x (2) Photon Cannon
# ⬜ 2x (2) Shield Battery
# 🟦 2x (2) Smoldering Grove
# ⬜ 1x (2) Youthful Brewmaster
# ⬜ 2x (3) Marooned Archmage
# ⬜ 2x (3) Resonance Coil
# 🟨 1x (4) Elise the Navigator
# 🟨 1x (4) Raylla, Sand Sculptor
# ⬜ 1x (4) Warp Gate
# ⬜ 2x (5) Chrono Boost
# 🟦 1x (5) Sleet Skater
# 🟨 1x (6) Puzzlemaster Khadgar
# 🟨 1x (7) Chrono-Lord Deios
# 🟨 1x (8) Artanis
# 🟨 1x (9) Ysera, Emerald Aspect
# 🟦 2x (12) Colossus
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https://www.hsguru.com/deck/36728032

[rotund adder]

Sorry that you had token go of the imbue package

I’ll try this out. Anything that feels flexible?

[primal pasture]

Few things.

Scavengers can fill in any turn in addition to being a solid 1 drop.

Divine brew can help with trades, mitigate damage, and keep key minions stickier. It also pairs well with Elise location copies. It's also great for Raylla because you always have targets for it.

The protoss cards can be used either to stall or to let your minions keep hitting face.

Deios is usually there for Colossus combos, but sometimes you can just play him after Khadgar and that's enough.

Brewmaster can get you extra uses of Elise, sometimes zealots for more charge pokes, or the obvious Colossus.

Just have to feel out the matches on when you need to play it more for value (control war) vs when you can use some of the cards more for chip

And don't be too defensive with Elise locations. They pair so well with zealot generators it isn't even funny.

5/5 copy and +2 attack makes Chrono boost on an empty board threaten 14 damage instead of 3

And Artanis threatens 19 with it

Raptors carry against decks that can out tempo you. (Shaman)

Also, Raylla can be crazily strong if things line up well with her, but don't try to force it too much.

But if you have a hand with like...

Coin, drink, shield battery, photon cannon, Raylla

Setting up the shield battery early so that on 4 you can go Raylla + cannon + coin + drink

Is often very difficult for stuff to handle

But at the end of the day, you want to try to land face damage as though Colossus isn't in the deck, so that eventually even a really weak Colossus could be lethal

And sometimes dark gifts really go hard (like when this thing has charge)

Aaand obligatory how Khadgar works for each spell:

If the condition is met, he can randomly cast the spell, if not met, he can't use it.

Arcane Missiles: enemy minion with 1 health.
Mirror Images: space available on board for them.
Counterspell/Ice Barrier: no active secret.
Arcane Intellect: fewer than 7 cards in hand.
Blizzard: at least 1 enemy minion on board.
Flamestrike: at least 4 enemy minions on board
Polymorph: large enough target (seems to be about 5+ attack or health. This spell will only hit minions that put it in the pool, never a small minion)
Fireball/Frostbolt: always

That should help you get a better feel for what to expect from him, and calculating odds

So if you have an active secret, nearly full board, nearly full hand, and no enemy minions

Khadgar will only ever use fireball or Frostbolt

[primal pasture]

It's ok, it still meets the goal of being more proactive than reactive (although it can still do a bit of that in a pinch). Just with less machine gunning wispriders.

Hope you have some good luck with it. I basically feel like I have a solid chance against most things.

[lean cliff]

ooh this is useful i was wondering what the conditions were

[primal pasture]

He might be able to use AI on 7 cards, but that's around the cutoff. Most of the spells go off the pool when it wouldn't make sense to use them.

Like how the secrets stop being secret if he casts both

[primal pasture]

Still climbing

[primal pasture]

If you do give it a shot, let me know how it goes for you 🙂

[rotund adder]

Did alright with it, didn’t change the list. 3-2. I felt like scavenger was a little tricky to use. I think I might have preferred glyph

The two losses against shaman didn’t feel close

[primal pasture]

I'm 4-0 v shaman today. Not sure why

[rotund adder]

Khadgar rolls were constantly disappointing

I know you put together a guide, but he sure did like ice block

[primal pasture]

Yeah, he sometimes does just do little. In general I try to play like he isn't active

That way anything he does is a bonus.

Scavengers I'm often just using to discover wisp on 1 for 2x 1/1s. Otherwise they are just curve fillers when turns get awkward

Shaman games really come down to how fast they get bellhop online. If it's a turn 4 double 5/4, you really need something major to be going your way.

Elise is the best counter to their better openings because raptor does a lot to keep it in check.

In their weaker openings, you can force them to panic and stay off of their preferred curve with stuff like marooned archmages

And hopefully Colossus is ready by the time they start doing their late game minion waves

I've also beaten more than a few of them with Raylla

[rotund adder]

I love rayla

I’m very tempted to tinker with it

Probably just start with the two glyphs

I don’t think tide pools makes too much sense because of board space

[primal pasture]

The glyphs could be ok, they've got marooned archmage synergy

As well as Raylla

The scavengers are basically better zerglings. Solid, but I'd need a ton of people to play this to see what the stats were like

[verbal karma]

Trying this out, thanks for the cook 🙂

[lean cliff]

Glyphs are really good I’d definitely put them in somewhere

[verbal karma]

What are you dropping for glyph?

[lean cliff]

I dropped Brew and Skater

[primal pasture]

There are a few matchups you miss those. Hard to say how good glyph is here, it's probably fine

[rotund adder]

I found that brew was sitting in my hand a vast majority of the games. I see its utility, but I didn’t even come close to playing it once

[primal pasture]

See, I'm the opposite and I use it all the time, lol

Anything I want to copy with Elise locations, marooned, Elise, any larger minion like Khadgar, my face...

I use it quite often

[lean cliff]

Oh wait I was talking about brewmaster lol I forget there’s another brew in the deck

Divine brew has felt pretty nice I would not cut it

[primal pasture]

Oh, brewmaster is a pretty easy cut if you aren't seeing a bunch of hard control decks

Or the protoss mage mirror

Not sure which brew W8 means

[primal pasture]

I've also considered cutting that one

[rotund adder]

oh I meant brewmaster

I would actually like a second copy of divine brew

idk maybe I'll try this
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[grave cedar]

### Protoss Mage
# Cost: 12400
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Divine Brew
# ⬜ 2x (1) Seabreeze Chalice
# ⬜ 2x (2) Creature of Madness
# ⬜ 2x (2) Photon Cannon
# 🟪 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# ⬜ 2x (2) Shield Battery
# 🟦 2x (2) Smoldering Grove
# ⬜ 2x (3) Marooned Archmage
# ⬜ 2x (3) Resonance Coil
# 🟨 1x (4) Elise the Navigator
# 🟨 1x (4) Raylla, Sand Sculptor
# ⬜ 1x (4) Warp Gate
# ⬜ 2x (5) Chrono Boost
# 🟨 1x (6) Puzzlemaster Khadgar
# 🟨 1x (7) Chrono-Lord Deios
# 🟨 1x (8) Artanis
# 🟨 1x (9) Ysera, Emerald Aspect
# 🟨 1x (9) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (4) Twin Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟦 2x (12) Colossus
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[rotund adder]

I also wonder if [[ techysaurus ]] is ever worth it

[rotund adder]

I expect it to be dirt cheap a lot of the time

since every drink will discount it, along with coil and glpyh spells

regardless, deck is off to a good start in the echo chamber

[primal pasture]

Not to mention the like 40 games that I've played exclusively on mobile with it and am like 30-10

And yeah, Techysaurus would discount fairly quickly, but there's just so little room in the deck

That's been my rank this month since entering legend with it

went through the rank changes

looks like I went about 45-23

[primal pasture]

Now I just need the deck to be played by like, 100 people to populate data on it so that I know if this idea is actually good, lol

or if it's just good luck

I wish I had a mobile deck tracker just to have saved the stats of it

[primal pasture]

This gives a better view of the overall climb this deck has done

Was using the imbue list up until December

[primal pasture]

I've also wondered if Griftah is potentially a good pick for the brewmaster slot

But yeah, a second divine brew can be good

[primal pasture]

Brewmaster is definitely the most suspicious card of the set. Unless seeing control warriors, which I have oddly not run into any in the last few days

Although being able to play a non-lethal colossus vs mage without it getting sleet skatered is kind of nice too

But the card is definitely niche

[primal pasture]

But there are a ton of options for the slot.

I do still like the scrappy scavengers over glyph though

[primal pasture]

Friend tried it out, went 8-2 with it at the 3k-ish range

(top list)
so... if we actually had the tracked sample size, this deck would probably look pretty strong

[lean cliff]

Yeah I’ve had a really good record with it so far as well, something like 60% wr over ~20 games at the lower end of the top 1k

[primal pasture]

Sadly Zach needs a huge number of games to feature it, and I can't track them

[knotty osprey]

successfully completed my mage quest with the latest cook haha, will keep trying the deck! thx for sharing

[primal pasture]

Nice! I've been having a lot of fun with it

Regular protoss mage can't make shamans question their life choices on turn 5

[lean cliff]

just got back into top 500 with this running a slightly modified list (9 mana zilli and 1 glyph over brewmaster and skater)

19-8 overall across a few different variants, a couple bad decks and some fake games (opponent DCd) in there but pretty solid record

ive come around on the scavengers, they feel more consistently useful for a more tempo-oriented gameplan than glyph is

[primal pasture]

Yeah, Zerglings (really that's what scavenger is when only 1 Mana left to play it) can push a lot of damage against slower decks to get going, and when you draw them on later turns, they give better options that glyph more often than not

Plus whenever you have floating Mana in a turn, they fill the curve well

A skater / Zilli swap is pretty reasonable. And yeah, brewmaster can be swapped pretty safely unless you see a ton of like, exactly control warrior and Toki/protoss mage (they will harshly punish you for leaving a Colossus on board with skater)

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention about Deios

Sometimes it is just correct to use him for Khadgar spells because you won't be going for the doubled Colossus plan.

It's not common, but it is an option for him.

[lean cliff]

yeah that does make sense

funnily enough i like dont ever remember drawing him in any of my games but its nice that he has that kind of other marginal utility outside of the double colossus

[primal pasture]

The brewmaster swap could pretty safely be anything you think will help more for the meta.

Divine brew
Griftah
Toki?
Osk (lol)
Demolition
Gnomelia
Zilliax
2nd Sleet
Mixo?

There are a lot of solid options

[lean cliff]

yeah i think if i had him on the account i play mage on i'd probably put griftah in instead of the glyph

but i think my opinion on how strong he is is kinda inflated bc ive been playing a lot of herenn and he kind of insta wins games against that deck if you hit steal lol against the average mu hes probably not as busted

[primal pasture]

Yeah, he's RNG tech card territory

I've started to force myself to use the brewmaster on anything I can get value from in some matchups, even if all I'm reusing is a scavenger

Like, turn 1 scavenger into turn 2 brewmaster

Saving him for max value tends to make him a dead card

Zealots are also reasonable bounces

[lean cliff]

i think bouncing stuff like scavenger or zealot or really anything except colossus/elise in slow MUs is kind of a cope, if thats the best play i have on a turn im probably feeling really sad that hes in my deck

that said sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol

[primal pasture]

Yep, he's basically tech card territory for slow matchups, making him an easy swap for other cards tailored for different matchups

but if not in the slow matchup, basically just have to use him to get more than zero value

and sometimes preserving a zealot for another elise copy location trigger is the more than zero value you need

but yeah, definitely not trying to sell him as some kind of core unswappable card.

he's the most suspicious card on the list

[rotund adder]

I know it’s a bit frustrating to have no data on the deck @primal pasture You just have to do your best with the feedback you get here. I’ve built countless decks that I’ve had personal success with that never took off. It’s very difficult/ impossible to get enough data to evaluate card performance. The closest we can do is keep trying to swap things around

Long post short: you’re doing great in here, don’t relent

[primal pasture]

Yeah. I appreciate the feedback you've all been giving in here 🙂

and even with the limited data we have, I am starting to believe that this is probably the better approach to protoss mage in this meta

even if it stays an echo chamber VS deck

[gilded yew]

Heyup, pls see https://github.com/xupanz/Hs ( context: #813500079821946960 message ).

Basically it's a Chinese-language only (Kanji are hardcoded in the app) tracker that's up to date but has no releases/builds. It also does not sync to any online service e.g. hsreplay I'm pretty sure.

It's fairly well laid-out code-wise but has no testing code whatsoever which is a bit of a red flag IMO.

However, it's the only Android tracker that is anywhere near up to date (or has been updated recently I should say), and hence it could be the best option for someone to start with if they have the time, skills and energy.

I don't have all those alas but am just posting here in case there's a dev chomping at the bit to help all use Android folks out! Cheers

[primal pasture]

Yeah, being chinese only doesn't help me too much, also I find it somewhat fishy in the first place given that mobile platforms largely did security updates that prevented HSR's deck tracker from working on mobile.

[gilded yew]

Ah, I did some sniffing through the code base and (although I cannot find it now for some reason) it utilizes https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=moe.shizuku.privileged.api&hl=en_US to basically supplant requiring a rooted device and hence my gut tells me that it could work.

However I was just rooting around now and found https://github.com/xupanz/Hs/tree/main/lib/src/main/java/com/ke/hs/lib/set which is concerning as the only sets it seems to handle are ancient :/

[primal pasture]

the ancient sets might be just the thing dying at the same time HSR did

[gilded yew]

aye

OTW it seems to me that the primary tasks should anyone be brave enough to grasp this nettle would be :

1. assess this repo's overall health and quality and make a call as to whether it's salvageable
2. if so, fork it on github and recruit as many other devs on HS discord servers as you can
3. ideally, strip out the Kanji and properly internationalize it (else, just rip it out and shove English in there)
4. code up authenticating and then uploading games to hsreplay.net or similar
5. write proper tests so we know it's working and not uploading incorrect stats
6. bask in the adulation of the masses...

Or something to that effect.

[hot tulip]

Cut skater and brew for 2 glyphs. Doing well against everything but shaman.
Any clue what to do for them? I'm not sure whether to rely on the tempo side or the Colossus side against them, they have so much survivability if they can get off decor or zilly, so tempo seems to run out of steam.
But without skater n blizzards can't really stall well until Colossus either.
Which way do y'all think is best?

[lean cliff]

imo you don’t really want to think of these as separate things. Tempo is also survivability because if you are ahead on board and threatening damage, that also means they are busy removing your threats and thus are not killing you.

also I would potentially consider blobs if you are running into a lot of shaman

it’s a pretty tough MU though for sure

[primal pasture]

If you get on board before the shaman, they are often pretty manageable.

Curving on 1, 2, 3 at most has you up against 2x 1/1s and starts forcing them into using their Mana on removals instead of starting their handbuff + copy plan. They often struggle to remove turn 3 marooned archmage (they want to be dropping bellhop that turn or drawing 2)

Being strongly on board often messes with the opponent's plan better than blizzard could hope to.

Also shaman REALLY hates Raylla boards on turns 4 and 5, especially if you were already on board before that.

Lastly, Elise with raptors and +2 attack works wonders for mitigating their mid game power plays and letting you push damage.

Overall you want to be trying to stay on board as best you can, getting chip in, forcing the opponent to remove your stuff, leveraging your spells to keep your board alive and hitting face...

And eventually Colossus will just be ready and you can laser their remaining health away.

[primal pasture]

Was starting to doubt my build because of that epic loss streak, but the deck has been recovering the ranks.

Hate the luck streaks I end up in

[primal pasture]

I wish Aessina didn't require that 20 minions die... I'd consider running her over brewmaster to pair with a discounted colossus, but the deck (original form) only has 22 minions in it including the colossus (although Raylla generation and raptors/copies from elise location could ramp toward 20 reasonably fast)

The only way to reasonably activate her is to start running like... splitting spacerock, but that's not going to happen

[lean cliff]

Yea I don’t think we can put her in unfortunately

just takes too long to activate

[primal pasture]

it would just end up being the same deal as what brewmaster is: a card that's only relevant in mega slow matches

but at least you can brewmaster with a less discounted colossus

Shaladrassil could be maybe interesting in the brewmaster slot, if uncorrupted it is also a brewmaster, but the deck often is struggling to have hand space for that kind of thing

[primal pasture]

There is still something very satisfying about copy / +2 attack and zealots

[zenith shard]

this deck looks super fun

interested in trying it out

[primal pasture]

Hope it gets you the good results I got out of it!

[zenith shard]

gonna take my first game with it out for a spin

[primal pasture]

Hope you had some luck with it

I'm still hovering around 500 legend with it

[primal pasture]

Control warriors really make me wish I were still playing imbue protoss to punch through bulwark

[primal pasture]

I need to find a way to target control warriors better with this deck. They are absolutely everywhere in top 1k

And I've been struggling to punch through them

I don't want to go the "lol steamcleaner" route

[rotund adder]

The problem is mostly bulwark right

Viper is pretty cringe but it would do the job

Or maybe violet spell wings

Just pew pew them

[primal pasture]

Yeah, it's basically just bulwark. Viper is unfortunately just as niche as steam cleaner.

Spellwings are a possibility, but unreliable if they have a board at all

There are surprisingly few options for hitting repeatedly

Basically have incindius, spellwing, and Hataaru as the 3 major options

[warped matrix]

Yea Khadgar is useless. I would legit rather run a blizzard, at least I actually get a card I want.

Genuinely one of the worst cards mage has ever had.

[primal pasture]

Still statistically one of mage's best cards

He wins tons of games for me with extra fireballs / frostbolts

[primal pasture]

I am wondering if the sleet skater and Toki/brewmaster slot should be blobs of tar though

Seeing a ton of cliff dive DH and I'm not sure how to approach that.

[warped matrix]

They have red card. Some matches are just bad.

I don’t see how his stats are good. When ahead he’s great but man does he suck otherwise.

[primal pasture]

When you get ahead on board, he just keeps launching fireballs/frostbolts at face and setting secrets, drawing cards.

Everything he does when you are in control of the board is broken.

It's when you are behind that he's bad unless lucky

[warped matrix]

I finally did a Smeet turn. This shit is dumb when it works.

[primal pasture]

Raylla is busted when the setup lines up and/or they can't immediately deal with it

[warped matrix]

Boy I love Khadgar not playing Blizzard here.

I have hated that card from day one and always will.

Adding blobs was good tho.

Okay I’m cutting Khadgar. Card continues to be absolute trash.

[warped matrix]

I’m also cutting warp gate. I legit never want to spend 4 mana on that card.

8-22-2018 ; 7-30-2025

Class: Mage

Format: Standard

Year of the Raptor

1x (1) Divine Brew

2x (1) Scrappy Scavenger

2x (1) Seabreeze Chalice

2x (2) Creature of Madness

2x (2) Photon Cannon

2x (2) Shield Battery

1x (2) Smoldering Grove

2x (3) Marooned Archmage

2x (3) Resonance Coil

2x (4) Blob of Tar

1x (4) Elise the Navigator

1x (4) Raylla, Sand Sculptor

2x (5) Chrono Boost

2x (5) Sleet Skater

1x (6) Bob the Bartender

1x (7) Chrono-Lord Deios

1x (8) Artanis

1x (9) Ysera, Emerald Aspect

2x (12) Colossus

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That’s what I landed on. Also tempted to cut Ysera for Zilliax tbh.

[primal pasture]

I mean, you are getting mad that he isn't using a like, 1/10.

With that game state he can use
Frostbolt
Fireball
Mirror Images
Polymorph
Blizzard
Flamestrike
And I'm assuming he used either counter spell or ice barrier there.

So yeah, he didn't roll the 12.5% chance to not die that turn, but you shouldn't really be expecting that.

He's an on curve 6 drop that does waaaay more than any other 6 drop you could possibly run. Cutting him is wrong, you just need to not expect him to board clear. That's not what he is there for.

Also, you need a warp gate if you ever want to use Deios. He also needs to be cut if you are cutting that. Honestly, you need warp gate for any deck that forces you to use Colossus before turn 9 or 10. Yes, the card is awful to play, but it sets up plays you otherwise can't do.

But yes, if you are cutting warp gate, you should also ditch Deios and Ysera because you aren't likely to get a Deios combo off without warp gate, and Ysera is too slow for it.

[warped matrix]

I don’t need a board clear every turn. Just remove Mirror Image. That card is so bad.

[primal pasture]

It has saved me on more than one occasion, or made my board really awkward to deal with

But yes, it's the weakest of the cards he can use (well, other than arcane missiles, but it's easy to keep him from using that, it's harder to have 6 minions on board so he can't MI)

But like, in my most recent game MI made my opponent unable to clear my marooned archmage

[warped matrix]

I don’t hate arcane missiles.

And I’ll stick with your list, but I am running two blobs. Card’s too good.

[primal pasture]

Yeah, I've considered the blobs myself, I'm just not sure what to drop for them

[primal pasture]

It's probably Toki and Sleet Skater, even though I do like Toki a lot

Downside to not having the card stats on this deck is that I have to go on vibes only

[warped matrix]

Yea I’ve seen enough. Deck’s bad.

Totally unplayable into rogue, because the devs have yet again decided rogue doesn’t need to spend mana on anything.

[primal pasture]

It's been easy to stay in top 1k with it

Currently at like 250

The worse versions were like 2-3k tops

[warped matrix]

I don’t know how you ever beat rogue. They just copy your deck for free and gain endless armor with endless Elise.

And the sad part is Elise will get nerfed for it instead of actual wholesale changes to how mana discounts work.

[primal pasture]

That one is coin flippy

It's not bad into rogue.

It IS bad into cliff dive DH, which I'm trying to see if I can fix

[warped matrix]

I don’t see a coin flip. You play one Elise. They play four.

[primal pasture]

Funny thing is that I usually beat rogues when I get a god awful mulligan

[warped matrix]

And only one costs 4 mana.

[primal pasture]

"well, this hand is useless"
Rogue: Deja Vu! Deja Vu!

[warped matrix]

It’s why I don’t take this game seriously at all beyond “hit legend each month and clear quests”. Team 5 with Iksar gone is just factually not good anymore.

I guarantee we spend more time on this discord contemplating things than they do for actual jobs.

It really bums me out, because Lich King through titans was peak card gaming ever.

[primal pasture]

But yeah, against Elise rogues, it's probably best to aim for protoss cards in the mull rather than things like Elise

They can't do anything with the protoss stuff

[warped matrix]

I’ve been doing that.

What beats you is ash eventually.

Smart ones just stack armor and play the long game.

[primal pasture]

Sometimes? Depends on what they get

[warped matrix]

They get my blobs

[primal pasture]

By the time Ashamane is being played you should have a Colossus ready

[warped matrix]

Yes. One. It doesn’t kill them.

[primal pasture]

The thing that usually beats me from rogues is when they get Marooned Archmage or Raylla

I'm definitely not a fan of Deja Vu though. Hate losing to my own stuff

[warped matrix]

[[deja vu]]

[mossy spoke]

How were you able to play that many spells on top of Raylla?

[primal pasture]

Usually coin + drink + battery + battery + cannon

[warped matrix]

[[shield battery]]

[mossy spoke]

Did you played [[ryalla]] in trun3 + coin and the rest in turn4 ? Just wandering because ryally 4 mana alone

[primal pasture]

Might have been a turn 3 Raylla?

But this also can happen
Battery on 2 or 3 then on 4
Raylla
Battery
Coin
Coil
Generated pylons
Cannon

Only 5 minions there though unless you generate an extra shield battery

[mossy spoke]

thx

[cyan marlin]

[gilded yew]

Hey @primal pasture , just wondering if you saw this new decklist crop up. I know this list is tight but the new list has some interesting left field ideas that might be worth considering (but not likely I'll admit...). I think the Service Ace for example is for discounting Aessina. Cheers

https://discord.com/channels/147167584666517505/1465168202630955142

[primal pasture]

I've seen it. I've tried similar decks in the past, it's just too easy to fall behind on board and have no way to recover from it.

[gilded yew]

Oh I wasn't recommending the deck, I was just noting that it has some fairly nice ideas that may be applicable here is all.

[primal pasture]

There's no real room to go with anything that drunk mage would be trying to do

[gilded yew]

OMFG I shared it to the wrong bloody decklist channel 🤦🏻‍♂️ I am on fire today... /s I meant to share it to https://discord.com/channels/147167584666517505/1461095391968759981 ... Ugh.

You know, potentially cheating out Aessina a bit early and so on. Ultra long shot, but I thought it worth mentioning just in case

[primal pasture]

unfortunately you can rarely ever actually do that because of the activation requirement on Aessina usually not being done before turn 8 anyway