#APM Nature Shaman
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I don’t like scarab, I think wand maker is better
wandmakers are good in this list I think
a tempoish shaman deck with dupes sounds hype indeed
'i dont really either tbh
so much aggro decks
and no easy control to farm wins against
since warrior crowds them out
yeah gotta migrate to other stuff, some other sham deck with diplicates would be great
Interesting
would we still want to run jazz bass in this?
definitely going to try this out, thanks @short quiver
He's truly a really good player too
It's really cool to see him pilot the deck
And I start to see why he wants two overdrafts
He uses them really aggressively to clear overload instead of using it as a finisher
which allows you to do more good things on curve
Once you start doing that in your plays, the deck becomes so good
Still haven't lured me to craft jive 
haven’t crafted jive before patch but i think i’m getting baited now
need that diamond halveria for culture either way
if you don't like / have jive, you could try this instead of conductivity, jive and overdraft
This morning I played from plat to legend, with the graypirate deck 🙂 I think it's legit
@short quiver can you post your code I don't h ave Twitter to see the comments
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 7540
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# ⬜ 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12285504
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ty. what's your record with it so far?
I play without tracker so I'm not sure
but I entered legend around 430 and I'm now 290
I think around 20-10 ish
I'll copy mull info and tips here too
Original tweet:
15-3 to legend with Midrange Jive Shaman. On holiday so playing mainly on phone.
Always keep: 1 drops (but Flowrider situational), buffs if you have 1 drops (but always keep Jam Session vs aggro)
Sometimes keep: Bouncer Pozzik Titan Flowrider Cactus Cutter
Comment from world_eight: Definitely want to try this. Anything in particular stand out as strong? I've built decks like this in the past that land low tier 2, always feeling like they are missing something
No one card stands out as long as you understand the synergies in the deck. Buffing 1drops is great, zapper into flowrider is cool, saving coin for your 4 drops, and use overdraft aggressively. Also don't be afraid to use conductivity for 2x buffs, and cond+jam works!
I had some coaching from the man himself so I think I won more games than I would have on my own 😅
This deck is AWESOME! 👏
And some general tips for the deck that I posted yesterday, that still seem to apply:
The idea is: curve out, tempo good
use jive as a late game bomb, if you can play it on curve on a small dude it's great too (especially if you know rag will hit face)
Use reflexes to save your ass or dig for lethal
and keep counting, plenty of moments you have lethal when you don't expect it
conductivity also works great with jam and trusty companion
if you can create awkward boards for them to clear and you focus on tempo, you can get them quite low in the early game
They are quite squishy before turn 5/6
If they can take it to the lategame it becomes favored for them for sure
part of me wants to try adding in a jazz bass so we can jive whenever
The deck farms warlocks, rogues and druids
but maybe too greedy
You could try it, I'm not sure what to cut
so overdrafts have felt fine?
you could try 1 over 1x overdraft
ya that's what I was thinking 1 draft
Yeah I was really surprised by using them in a more aggressive way, to clear small stuff or just to get rid of overload
I was so used to it being the last spell in a nature shaman otk turn 😛
If you start using them like that, they become really powerful tempo tools
Also 6 dmg after the jive combo, which adds up to 30 🙂
I initially wanted to do -1x overdraft +1x conductivity, but I think 2 overdrafts feel good
started climbing 4-0 with it but it got trickier rn
early frogging zarimi priests till they concede is fun
Yo yall,just joined, came here straight to my fellow shaman enjoyers
Is the jive variant currently better? I'm still trying fizzle but every match feels like 40-60 with it
midrange shaman feels good
Frogs are where it’s at
I am 7-2 on tracked games vs warrior, though the stats say slightly unfavoured
Nice!
The idea in that MU is to find early buffs and smash them in the head
I was thinking about using a tempest hammer with a wf elemental, but the curve is off sadly
Did you ever try Jazz Bass?
just for the sake of damage or to discount something?
Discount Jive
you’ll do it without the elemental
in fact it’s way easier to do it without spending 4 mana on elem
but the hammer idea is so sweet on paper
wf + hammer is basically pyroblast
but they are both 4 mana 💀
Greedy partner maybe ha
You can do it with the mini at least
Might be worth trying
Finally the og pyro is back 
[[ tempest hammer ]]
pretty sure this could have four durability and no one would mind
No but its not a combo deck its an aggro deck, jazz bass loses tempo
Damn
https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12285504 it’s starting to show up on d0nkey!
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I don’t understand how the druid matchup is so bad
if you miss the early snowball they win. Also if they get Fye down you're done a lot of the time
It's 21 games lol. It maybe be a bad matchup but it's not a respectable sample size
yeah its too low. Having some healing probably helps that MU druid is a burn deck
that can just wipe your board with swipes
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people need to stop keeping flowrider alone, no idea why it's kept 47% of the time
Wonder if you could add an ele package to play the 3 mana 4/5 ele
The 3 4/5 isn't even that good of a payoff. It's mid of the pack even in Elemental Shaman
its one of the best mull cards in ele shaman I think?
does anyone have the HSreplay stats for the overload deck? I just get Bronze-Gold so using d0nkey which has overdraft/conductivity really low
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 10720
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟦 2x (3) Minecart Cruiser
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# ⬜ 1x (7) Pack the House
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12396318
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omg
thjis deck feels good
im 3-0
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 8800
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟦 2x (3) Minecart Cruiser
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# ⬜ 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 🟨 1x (5) Inzah
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# ⬜ 1x (7) Pack the House
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12396612
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Cruiser + Thorim is really nice
[[minecart]]
now you're crusin
ya i just wanted to test inzah with all the overload
Can drop inzah for pozzik thouhg
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 8800
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟦 2x (3) Minecart Cruiser
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# ⬜ 1x (7) Pack the House
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12398047
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changed it to this now
Nice cooking 🧑🍳
okay i dropped pack the house felt too slow. And dropped overdraft too to run two scarab keychains
wanted more good 1 drops
salesman also option but scarab is a beast
sucks no good ele 1 drops
thought about the 2 drop that gives you random ele
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### Shaman
# Cost: 8440
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Scarab Keychain
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟦 2x (3) Minecart Cruiser
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12398400
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kindof eats warlock
i was doing well but then hit a bunch of paladins/rogues so idk
was good into warlock
How did we go from being the degen OTK deck to targeting the other OTK deck? 😂
Remember guys, warriors have always been the enemy!
True more tempo start + burn finish to be fair.
ye warrior is the new cpriest
I missed when we lost the ability to tempo zappers on 1 because we had to cling to our precious +1 spell damage.
i tried cutting the murloc for salesman but that felt awful. i like the spell tutoring
I can see cutting 1x conductivity, it's quite situational. Thorim is a nice addition, could also do Minecart cruiser
I think its clunky thats why i dont run it
Cutter and conductivity were just low on d0nkey but idk maybe still worth it’s low sample size
i think if anything i'd cut 1x cond for thorim and that's it. I tried a bunch of shit to refine the deck but everything I tried sucked
cutter can be gold panner, but I like that I can companion it
cutter can also be keychain
why all my games are against fucking cutscene rogues
they just earthen shock 2.0 all my buffs
apparently levik is also playing custom shaman
He commented on my X post about it, he asked about Inzah so I thought he'd be playing it at some point.
Vs rogue prioritise face damage and don't make a lot of minions if you know it's cutscene
Bouncer solos rogue
yeah he’s trying out inzah
he just earthen shocks in my case
… any stream records to watch?
anyone have a levik list?
on d0nkey overload is now the best shaman archetype at 52%
i’m kinda stuck on d2-d1 even on x11 sadlyL
levik’s list is basically the initial one but with inzah instead of pozzik
the initial list in question
1 other 1 drop I'm thinking about is vicious slitherspear
just another Naga type
did anyone try out Vicious?
gotta try out them instead of zappers
im tesrting them out and hagatha
i have a sig hagatha so wanted to try her anyways lol
Slitherspear does feel good
since givesd you another good trusty or jam on 2
so far hagatha on 4 has won me 3 games
running a jive and 1 wishing
yeah idk if 2 is better
oh jive counts as well
yeah jive is even nice just throwing out on 5
after hagatha
my list is kindof funky cause im still testing more eles out with minecart
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 8860
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# ⬜ 2x (2) Menacing Nimbus
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟦 2x (3) Minecart Cruiser
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Hagatha the Fabled
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 🟦 1x (7) Wish Upon a Star
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12411709
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i think from the original list i would def add vicious slitherspears
if you run hagath you prolly just cut conductivity
cruiser/nimbus im just testing
kinmdof lack any draw though so can be rough if you dont draw golg early
well i guess theres some draw
also had a shower thought
it’s Beasts, Elementals and Nagas, right?
so which means the deck is called
BEN shaman
Ha yeah that could work
But yeah vicious slitherspear are def good in the deck and work well with all our spell and tribal type since Florider
yeah just makes our giga staple card even better
Wish upon a star has felt good too into warrior
Bouncers get really hard to remove
If I wasn’t running cruisers idk if I’d run thorim. He’s low in stats atm but really low sample
Nimbus was just so I could minecart on 3
What happened to sand art?
so run cruiser with overload? Without doing the condition
Idk I didn’t like sand art but I could drop cruiser/nimbus and add it back in
I just think it’s a really strong card when you run TtT
You do need a good 2 though
Yeah I think the 1s are good but we prolly want another good 2 drop
what about party animal?
[[Party animal]]
i feel like we won’t have that many buff targets in hand on 2
this into backstage bouncer is cute tho
slither is good
that was t2
on coin
yeah slither is broken in this deck
next game vs warrior
they conceded at 2 hp t5
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 8740
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Hagatha the Fabled
# ⬜ 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 🟦 1x (7) Wish Upon a Star
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12413608
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okay went back to this cause sand art is nice for reach
cutters look bad in stats but idk a better 2 drop anyways
Yeah, crazy things show up when you put min games to 100
ya i know lol
at the highest sample it has D-L with 377 games its still the best shaman deck
not enough value tbh, didn't like them
most of those games are me though, i have like 180 games on the deck lol
i like cutter for the cycle, but if you value the tempo then you could run flint
stereo totem also an option but gets worse if you dont have the bouncer
or disciple of golganneth if you are feeling frisky
ya i have no clue if there is a way to refine it better or if you just had the perfect 30. i dont usually play this kindof shaman deck. it is fun and maybe gets more miniset cards tomorrow
hopefully a good 2 drop to replace cactus cutter lol
i tinkered around with it a lot before - tried oscillator and 5/7 zilliax, tried 2x salesmen, this just felt like the best way to build it
the conductivity jive addition tied the entire deck together
nah guys idk how you’re doing it
but every other deck feels just stronger
dropped all the way down
I dunno i climbed from 1k to top 50 on americas and chilling top 50 eu. Might be meta differences or maybe im just a self proclaimed shaman god
If you want to coop shoot me a message I'd love to guide you through my thought processes
would it be okie if i just spectate from time to time?
Sure dude, GrayPirate#2510 on bnet 🙂
Are there some cooks improving upon the og list you posted on twitter already 😏?
Doesn’t seem like it
I tried a few things but didn’t really feel great
Guess we’ll see if shaman is getting any other good cards we can slot in
Curious if we get another big spell how Hagatha could work
o dang that frog

but its a beast and we probably want taunt frogs
with trusty
murloc would work with tutoring cutter though off of trusty
probably dont mind gigantify anyways usually run out of cards
I'll try out the big beast instead of cactus cutter, but will need to add thorim. maybe one of each?
1x thorim 1x rocket hopper, -2 cutter
is the beast worth it?
i feel like murloc could be
since makes it easier to have a minion t2
thats true, but if im cutting cutters for this i dont want to draw 1/1s from trusty
ya true
im more interested in the 10 10, we want to make big minions anyway
but we can find OD with flowrider the turn after
ya true
we have 2 mana, so flow into OD can do work
ill try 1 copy though, excited to experiment
yes
i mean you have overdraft if you have it on curve
if you have florider or overdraft
od sounds better
OD is better, thats why we run 2 of it
but if we have an overload 4 card i want thorim for more unlockability
Yeah if we dont have OD or florider in hand, do we jam this on 5 or wait
guess depends on opponent
nope sticking to cutters for now
not a fan of drawing 1 drops that dont cycle with trusty
do u still run jive?
ofc
jive is a great on curve play vs warriors and warlocks
ive used it with conductivity probably less than 5% of games
Is conductivty worth or could it be cuttable?
if youre running the 10 10s there's less of a need for conductivity as a finisher
so might be worth cutting for another 10 10
i love conductivity with buffs
I really want to minimize the amount of spells to pretty much guarantee to find OD from Flowrider
So I can Frog on 5 and Flowrider + OD on 6
ya thats what i was thinking of possible trying out
you could experiment with cutting reflexes but i wouldnt recommend
Turn 6 Hopper into Thorim gotta be tried out
the hopper lets you overload on turn 5 now, before you had to avoid that if you had titan in hand
then you can thorim on 7
Something like this. I think you still want Conductivity + Jive
thats a nice list
so you cut 2x bolt, 2x reflexes, 2x zapper, pozzik for 4x 1 drops, 2x 10/10 and thorim
might miss some burn but not sure, ill definitely try this out day 1
bear in mind flowrider wont be active for half the game so im inclined to put zappers and bolts back in
Yeah I like that but I’d probably play zappers over growfin
tempo zappers on 1 
Yeah I think you want zappers still
So the Jazz Bass nature shaman version, maybe sometimes you pick the new spell off reflexes if you have a lot of frogs and have cleared opponents board. Mainly if your reflexes don't give you OTK but you flashed last turn
Ronmexico is playing that Cards Shaman https://www.twitch.tv/ronmexicohs
Yeah he played it yesterday too
@dry creek I passed along your original list to some other players who really enjoy it. they were asking me what an updated list looks like
specifically if you like rocket hopper in it
I love rocket hopper in it, I'd cut 2x cutter for 2x hopper and 1x conductivity for thorim
Maybe start with 1x rocket hopper and thorim for 2x cactus cutter to see how it feels
Could also cut lightning reflexes since it's situational but i like the card a lot
i wanna jam both murlocs and big toads here tbh
I think Conductivity got better with the new Murloc
This is what I've settled on so far
I thought more about it and Wandmakers are probably good
There are no whiffs. I also really want more Overdrafts
To support Hopper the best I can. Pop Up Books and Bolt are just good. Gift is Bloodlust and Reflexes is whatever
Running TtT requires 4 cards and I'm not sure that package is even that good
Is there data on it on HSR? Because on d0nkey sadly the sample size is meaningless
TtT solos the priest MU
and the sand art eles are good burst with it in the control MUs
its more flexible than bolt
You could do this, but Sand Art seems so bad without TtT
I like this list more, im inclined to cut growfin for bolt but thats just me. yours is probably better!
easy day 1 deck
I'm trying out this:
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 7600
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# 🟦 2x (1) Murloc Growfin
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 1x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# ⬜ 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 1x (5) Rocket Hopper
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12508496
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I played against another overload shaman, he played 2 locations
it worked quite well, because of the thorim tutor with it
Golg saved my ass though, its so good in the mirror
Frogs all the way down
rocket hopper was mvp vs a secret hunter, i absolutely love the card
I landed on this, cut the conductivity and Cactus cutters
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### Overload Shaman
# Cost: 9040
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# ⬜ 2x (2) Jam Session
# 🟪 2x (2) Trusty Companion
# 🟨 1x (3) Thorim, Stormlord
# ⬜ 2x (3) Turn the Tides
# 🟦 2x (4) Backstage Bouncer
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# ⬜ 2x (4) Sand Art Elemental
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (5) Rocket Hopper
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12508635
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I agree with your list, looks clean
i wanna shudder some kids 
jambre is trying a list focusing on shudder bs, its pretty fun to play
ok i’ll check it out ty
but is the alleycat murloc not good enough for the deck you think @dry creek ?
It'll draw itself so i don't like that. If you wanna run it I'd cut zapper flowrider bolt for 2x alleycat 2x cactus cutter 2x something
Tbh i might be underestimating the gigantify, could help in the priest/pally MUs
The big frog feels really good, better than I expected
Okay I really like your fresh list dude, nice cooking
Anyone having success
I have won quite a few games with the latest list graypirate posted above
And I see that a new thread was opened with another frog tempo shaman direction that could be explored
I think pozzik is a card that could be improved upon, maybe conductivity or growfin could be better
i like poz when i happen to have golg in hand, they mostly play bots into his aoe neatly
but in other cases, not so much
How does "regular" old APM nature shaman fare atm, did anyone try yet? The hunter nerf and lack of armor warrior in the current meta could make room for that deck to thrive again
Nobody is playing it but Jive Shaman might be playable
Small nerf to the deck with one more useless nature spell in the pool though
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### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 7180
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 1x (4) Aftershocks
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12537180
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there is one streamer runnig this but only 30 games
i dont really like wandmakers
I tried a game with a similar list against a painlock just now, which used to be a good matchup. I had a decent curve but still managed to lose hard
yeah it struggles into painlock
and mage can sometimes kill you faster
maybe there are other cards you can tech in
The painlock had a nutty curve (0 mana horrors on 2) but I still feel that this matchup used to be free
nature shaman(rag) seems to be better on d0nkey
Yeah I can see that
I had figured without warrior the Fizzle one might not be as bad again though
since fizzle was worse into warrior than Rag one
I feel that the rocket hopper list from graypirate feels like the most solid shaman deck I’ve played since patch
I kinda wanna try nature jive though
ya same
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### Spell Damage Shaman
# Cost: 6840
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# ⬜ 2x (2) Wandmaker
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟦 2x (4) Aftershocks
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12613630
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might try this today if I do end up playing
afterschocks looks decent in stats with all the paladins
I've noticed spell damage Winrate has been creeping up on hsguru meta list
fewer warriors and more reno priests help
Ended up going 5-1, but afterschock wasn't really needed in those games so not sure on it yet
meta is much more favorable at least
3 of the wins were against HL Priest/Druid, the loss was to handbuff Paladin but I think I missplayed that game too
Nice going man
I gave up quickly after my first loss and went on frogging
I might give it a go tonight
Yeah I could see Paladin still being rough and Painlock depending on if they have cult/stomper. But i was facing alot of non warrior Renos
did beat a mage that had keyboard on 2 and error on 5. Used double flash
might only run 1 afterschock
yeah coming back to this thread because i've noticed more reno priests on ladder and i don't see anything in that deck that counters natuer shanan.
in theory now is a great time to play nature shaman? i think this deck is at its best when it's low profile but still competitive
because if it's too good then everybody just loads up on tech cards
painlock feels a bit too massive in the field
we can stall it with frogs tho, but still
yeah we can beat it if they don't have stomper/cult
but they can find it pretty easily
HL Priest play rate keeps going up if you look at d0nkey meta list and sort by 3/1 days
2 of the top lists(though both are like 100 or less games) 1 runs an Afterschock and the other runs an Audio amplifier. So I cut 1 afterschock from above for an audio and the first game with it felt good. 11 cards makes it easier to discount crash and also open a snapshot
Yeah that’s what I’m trying right now
And we don’t play claw anymore?
I haven’t been. It could still be okay though
Yeah it really prolly is the MU spread that is helping nature shaman the most.
Yeah that looks good
I know this ain’t the thread but look at this lil cute ass guy I found today
Just had to share it, I saw the clip again when I took the decklist photo just now
Oof I encountered a painlock, got him to 1 and then he healed back to 15 with that 4 mana 6/6
It was too painful
Back to frogging
We’ll just played a rogue that bounced stomper every turn starting from 4
And that’s enough hearthstone for me
Yeah I was actually 3-1 but that game just made me not want to play anymore lol
What are the odds I queue into a gaslight rogue and then also one running stomper
so yeah
this patch is going to help shaman
I think
the brann nerf actually did help us because we cant get 6 TNT on 8 anymore
I figured it messed with the golg draw
But might be better if we running a 1 of
Don’t think we’d run afterschock for sure now
Just seems better to me
You need waveclear clearly
I mean aoe*
I dont tend to draw golg that much tbh
Seems like survival is a bigger concern if you get bad draws
And soda just seems better for that
norwis been doing well with this list:
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7360
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11676012
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though i guess you lose to warrior
Norwis cut Fizzle? Damn it finally happened
didn’t jive sham go better against warrior than fizzle at some point?
was worse against dh/hunt if you compare to fizz
Is that good?
i think its good still
he went from like 30->15 ->30(when I made that comment) -> 15
so i think its good?
im still bad at jive and getting use to the crash change
my brain still thinks its 5
Guys, finally, which or what decklist i should choose. I mean, nowadays 😄
Just for rank, not only for fun.
Thanks… as usual 😉
Just play like Norwis, no problem 
If you see a lot of warriors owl Druid might be better
Ok guys. What list do You play? I tried the best list from d0nkey with fizz, but miss jive a lot…
Lets try…
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 7240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 1x (1) Thrall's Gift
# 🟦 1x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 1x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 1x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11946199
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I don't like dropping Golganneth
I cut gift
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 8860
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 1x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12108171
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How about latest Norwis list?
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5200
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13048479
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Norwis is running shock hopper in his jive list
doing pretty well with the list so far
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5200
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 2x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Shock Hopper
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13048479
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try two bouncers over elixer
trying the bouncers now
Hihgrolled jam session twice of my little froggy
Won me the game
Do we just run jam instead of deputy?
i just realized this list does not have the draw totem, why would you cut that 😮
Guys any new succesful ideas? Im fed up…
The deck is not too greatly positioned in the meta and hard to play, so I guess it's never gonna be much more than it is right now
unless you are a shaman god of course
But a couple weeks ago was easier… and befeore that bad Nerf.
yeah, I also asked about that lol
i guess you combo it with elixirs?
but idk doesnt seem worth it
i think spell dmg shaman could do decent in this meta if druids dont drwa their doomkins
Norwis also updated his list a bit: https://x.com/Norwis135/status/1805366514289361403
His “100 hours to MT qualification” streams always stress me out indirectly
on hsguru the instrument tech looks pretty bad
yeah Norwis ping pong ranks a lot too
he dropped to like 50 now back to top 4
he tries really hard I kindof want him to make the MT, even though he usually just plays 1 deck

Norwis is doing well with Shaman (as always), his list feels good
I played 3 games, went 2-1
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 1x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12512644
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havent played since start of xpac or around time of shaman nerfs, this still good?
Guess it's alright https://hsreplay.net/replay/4XhA6y8nCmQPbhcBUSYi2Q is the non jive version good
This does not feel bad, cooked a bit with cabaret headliner and jive: AAECAfe5AgLI0AWN9QUO6ucD+Z8ExNAFze4FyvgFy/gFs40G6ZUGnJ4G5p4GqKcGwr4Gw74Gss4GAAA=
### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5280
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tidepool Pupil
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (4) Cabaret Headliner
# 🟦 2x (5) Frosty Décor
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13633990
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early game is a bit slow and awkward tho, there is definitely some improvement possible
but the stall feels good, pupils too
Norwis is playing this: AAECAaoIAsjQBY31BQ7q5wP5nwSdxQXE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQbplQatnQacngbmngaopwbCvgYAAA==
### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5280
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tidepool Pupil
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/13617909
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Skips on cabaret + frosty for Jazz + Elixir
Yeah I think that’s better
Just using tide pool
I was doing well with fizzle and tidepool non jive until I faced pirate aggro
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This list
3-0 with the list
O wait does this work?
This was the list I was eyeing before triangulate snapshot
I had tried the triangulate/jive list with Jazz bass. I think I ran into 3 straight games of getting frozen by glacial shards and quartzite crushers...
Never mind went on a loss streak
losing so far, but oh man I can FEEL the potential
0-3 but it was vs ele mage, odyn, odyn
throwing me right into the deep end of apm and hand management vs 100+ armor warriors 😂
Yeah for me it’s also quite feast or famine
But it’s a deck with a learning curve I think
oh for sure, I did a few hundred games of various old biolum nature otk's but its been a while and a lotta new tools
love the decks with massive learning curves

what is triangulate for
is it a thrive in the shadows or do you care about extra copies of certain spells
my guess is for extra snapsnots or burn spells/flash
depending on a matchup
triangulating a snapshot that has a golg on the left kinda just auto wins any board based matchup (https://hsreplay.net/replay/iXr3efHXwcCrYYJwSCMc5K)
extra flashes/snapshots are really solid to burn down starship druids/odyn warriors over multiple turns
but having 8x lightning reflexes or lightning bolts or crashes in your deck is actually just really fricken strong
Anyone else been queuing Nature Shaman for nostalgia's sake before Oracle gets killed?
might try it today
might as well lol
reqvam talking about adding incindius in
in ins4ne chat
so might try that
I'm assuming you cut fizzle for it
because fizzle prolly too slow vs rogue
Kinda depends on if it's worthwhile for the slow matchups... Incindius on 6 means we arent OTKing till 8 at the earliest...
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 3440
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (2) Triangulate
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ethereal Oracle
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/22901086
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I cut Fizzle on account of stats suck on it and I'm just hoping to dodge armor counters. I'm not even sure Fizzle helps that much in those matchups since you have to set everything up and then don't have flash setup generally for the snapshot.
ya that list looks good
Incindius I can see being a simpler alternative if we want to be greedier.
I might just try a couple games with Cindy in just to see. Reqvam idea was if you flash and they stomper you that you can incin
Ya I havent tried it yet but it makes sense with oracle kinda.
ya fizzle is for slow MUs which there aren't many now
I always ran Inzah wit fizzle stuff back when the meta was slower with nature
cause zappers went to 0
but that is def too slow now
oracle is great though it basically quasi expands our hand size since it draws...
The other lists I've looked at on hsguru I've seen some lists swapping salesman for glacial shards. Which can make some sense vs DH or weapon rogue...even Lynessa or handbuff run weapons as well
Also avoids hand clogging/drawing snake oils
that chagne makes sense
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 4960
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Glacial Shard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (2) Triangulate
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ethereal Oracle
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 🟨 1x (6) Incindius
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/24323530
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Looks clean. Always a good sign when I couldn't figure out the cut. Thalnos might be similar to a panner. Definitely the most awkward spell damage
Can freeze weapon deck face or giants
Sometimes I'm just dumping thalnos to cycle/soft taunt since it's scary to leave up.
I havent tried shard but I saw lists on hsguru running it so I won't take credit. I can see the potential upside/flexibility vs the tradeable cycling though as stalling
It's probably at worst a sidegrade IMO
Zach confirmed that fizzle is bait
And incindius is too slow for the deck
As we want to pop off around t6
yeah incind seems decent in the very limited stats
but I feel like ceaseless might be better
vs rogue giants
prolly is 0 so fast
i could also see ultraviolet breakers
thats just a solid card
Might try a ceaseless over incindius
T6 is when giants come down so incindius useless vs rogue
Just helps into Warrior/dk
Yeah I wouldn’t add more than breakers they just good on their own
This is Zach’s latest cook
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 3440
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (2) Triangulate
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ethereal Oracle
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/24032214
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A very solid base imo
Ya, I question the AK a bit...but I should try it.
It goes to 0 at turn 7 in the mirror, I dodubt it's fast enough for nature shaman vs rogue
Rogue mirror*
Yeah it’s at 35 t6
Too slow
Actually still dropping
Okay it’s at 27
Still too high
I did otk the rogue on 6
I like dropping salesman for glacial
Biggest issue is rogue runs disruption for the mirror
Nice got zapper claw shard and book in mull vs DH
Actually kept them
Alright 3-0 so far
VS list - salesman for shard and -1 panner for claw
Yeah idk with rogue bouncing stompers it’s tough
Ya, whenever nature shaman pops anywhere close to 50%, hard counters or everyone teching just ruins everything.
OK. Incindius is cool when it works. VS Buttons DK, Incindius on 6...triangulate eruptions + flash on 7... Zapper Zapper, Oracle, reflexes, draw an eruption, a pop up book...and the other oracle... 👀
yeah incindius is really nice vs control decks
like if rogue ever falled off i think incin a good inclusion
dang i didn't realize I missed this deck lol
im so rusty though I attacked a 2/3 with my shard thinking I could ping it
Noone plays it, people are countering rogue
Ya, but collateral damage.
It's kinda popping in top 1k
Yeah that’s the list I’m playing too
Or I only run 1 overdraft
And no fizzle wait that isn’t my list
I was 4-2 with incindius. With 2 incindius relevant games. Clearly no sample size issues whatsoever.
i'm kinda liking incindius as stomper plan B. Every deck just start with oracle and incindius and go from there... 😂
yeah i think if rogue doesnt hit oracle early you can also play it there
of course they always have oracle backstab on 3
Ya, it's oracle on 3 is the issue. I had a game where I had triangulated bolts, then flashes to eventually "outlast" the stomper onslaught, but by then there deck was empty for the asteroids...
yeah and they still manage to get giants down
But ya, had a game vs. paladin who stompered the flash turn, played incindius instead...and then went with an eruption + burst plan with no discounts to win...
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 4960
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟦 2x (2) Triangulate
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ethereal Oracle
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
# 🟨 1x (6) Incindius
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/24468089
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Whenever I cut fizzle I just face control decks
wait
i just realised you guys are playing triangulate to get a shit load of bolts and then tutor them with oracle and flowrider
I'm such a boomer I didn't even think of it
Ya you can also sometimes shuffle bolts to add draws for golganeth as well...
Sometimes relevant if you've already drawn the zappers.
Triangulate is a neat card but two mana is infinite mana so I don't love it. Deck probably still needs it though
eh its still pretty good early if you don't draw panners or totems
So the norwis jive list has been working for me
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 1x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/12512644
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Still feels very good
up to diamond now, on mobile but I think I'm like 10-2 at 11 stars
last hurrah of nature shaman
Oh snap
So far I’m mulling hard for jazz bass or instrument tech
I’ll keep like totem and sometimes cutter too
ever keeping flash?
I haven’t but I guess I could see it vs aggro decks
Or vs rogue maybe for weapon rogue
Well now I’m on a loss streak so maybe it’s not it
I'm very much torn between wanting to believe and viewing everything here as mega bait.
I was doing well into shaman then kept queuing into Protoss rogue and losing
I might try it again today but yesterday was a wash after starting so well
I think its good into fizzle shaman, but non fizzle shaman with bouncers is tougher
I presume I'll try it, I'm ready to get hurt again. 😂
Who's jamming Nature shaman in top 1K? HSGuru has it as 2nd highest WR after weapon rogue with a 0.2% playrate... 👀
i queued against one in top 1k
but he never had a chance
guys
next week
we're gonna have a whacky time
One week of nature shaman swansong
I will play more in the next week than I have for the past expansion
I'm all here for it
What list do you plan to play ?
I’m doing the fizzle list but not sure if that will be better than jive
i will play something else than chord most likely, probably salesman
Scrolled through previous VS' articles. Here are two lists that look lit.
Jive Shaman - 10 April
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5120
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 1x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11801540
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29 May
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### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 5240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# ⬜ 1x (2) Cactus Cutter
# 🟦 2x (2) Conductivity
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟦 2x (3) Jazz Bass
# 🟨 1x (5) JIVE, INSECT!
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11843528
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They were too afraid to revert gift...boo.
We are so back
nice what list are you running?
I was trying a fizzle list and a jive list
Both were decent
this is one: AAECAaoIBqOfBJegBKzRBY31Bb+eBpTmBgzq5wP5nwTE0AXN7gXK+AXL+AWzjQaFjgatnQacngbmngaopwYAAA==
### Nature Shaman
# Cost: 4880
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Flowrider
# ⬜ 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 🟦 2x (1) Lightning Reflexes
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Novice Zapper
# 🟪 1x (1) Overdraft
# ⬜ 2x (1) Pop-Up Book
# ⬜ 1x (1) Spirit Claws
# 🟦 2x (2) Amphibious Elixir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Ancestral Knowledge
# 🟨 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Cactus Cutter
# ⬜ 1x (2) Kobold Geomancer
# ⬜ 2x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 🟪 2x (3) Flash of Lightning
# 🟨 1x (3) Photographer Fizzle
# ⬜ 2x (6) Crash of Thunder
# 🟨 1x (6) Golganneth, the Thunderer
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11619255
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