civic kelp
This deck has no bad matchups I think
Powerful stuff the deck does is abuse Kraken, Death Growl and Yodeler with every minion in the deck.
Chained Guardian is insane with Kraken and Death Growl
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ebon quiver
This looks like the perfect 30 for the deck if you running krakens
Think this will be day 1 for me
meager nimbus
yeah this looks really good honestly
and over 10 new cards so you can harass a streamer into playing it on TC
ebon quiver
Would projectionist be okay in this?
Dont think anything is cuttable though but if chained guardians go to 0
civic kelp
Yeah
It could be not bad, specifically on guardians, maybe some plague cards but yeah idk, it feels very hard to cut anything
probs sylv if anything but what else even
thassarian?
Astalor?
ebon quiver
Yeah i probably wouldnt run it right now. Sylv just good counter to titans
cinder mantle
I think this looks a lot better than my first pass at a Plague Death Knight
civic kelp
Ty. I think the issue with trying to do anything other than krakens is just making a really bad version of unholy with just some midrange ish stuff
I think the kraken should be an unfair enough combo to be playable in standard
Cuz plagues on their own are quite slow, but the added shuffling from the 2 drop and kraken + death growl might be enough
Cuz to me the best card is chained guardian, so trying to abuse it with procing the 2 drop DR a lot and discounting it super fast seems good?
cinder mantle
The only thing I can think of adding is Unholy Frenzy, but I'm not sure if the resummoned Kraken would retain the DR, so prob cooking too much there
civic kelp
Doesn't retain dr no
vital reef
Have you thought about putting hollow hound in this?
civic kelp
Not really, probably decent duno what the cut would be
meager nimbus
yeah the only thing that seems fairly cuttable for hound is the sylvanas
maybe 1 tour guide or something but that card is really nice for death growl
meager nimbus
astalor seems nice in a deck that gets in chip damage from minions and plagues
civic kelp
astalor seems nice in a deck that gets in chip damage from minions and plagues
so true
vital reef
The main reason I mentioned hollow hound is that I'm not sure what turn this deck is going to win by on average
If the deck usually goes into turns 8+ I think you need hound to stay alive
civic kelp
Yeah U might
cinder mantle
Sylvanas stocks do go up if there's lots of Titans in the meta
indigo horizon
Should Dead Air be used in this type of deck ? Death Growl + this seems quite good
quartz grove
Dead air just not a good card at 2 mana
This would probably be the best type of deck for it, but i dont think its good enough regardless
ocean warren
Invincible seems good here if we are going turn 8+
civic kelp
Oh boy I got w8 in here
kraken truther 
Dead air doesn't work on kraken, and its just really expensive
plus makes magatha worse
even if giving ur opponent a dead air doesn't matter, it means we drew 4 rather than 5
ocean warren
I love the idea of dead air, but unholy frenzy is better
List looks good, but I like invincible over sylv
ocean warren
One of the challenges with the deck is if our opponents figure out the game plan, our good DR never stick
But at the same time we can’t run too many bad tempo cards
One idea I had would be to go FFU, drop tomb
Play horn
Also potentially include frost strike
Tomb is the only reason to go UU right
cinder mantle
Staff and Kvaldir are UU runes, Tomb Traitor is UF
ocean warren
Ah never mind. Kvaldir is the whole point
cinder mantle
No Grave Strength 
cinder mantle
All that to make the deck UUU and doesn't even put in the other reason why you go UUU
ebon quiver
So you lose tomb trader and down with the ship going that route
modern sail
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Marrowgar:
surely gar is enough
ebon quiver
Other issue is it only has one way to draw
I just don’t see how that’s better than just doing normal unholy DK
civic kelp
Ur chained guardians are worse and harder to combo with when ur running not the deal 3
meager nimbus
yeah you give up too much for grave strength honestly
ebon quiver
I’ve moved onto loving warrior
meager nimbus
nobody was playing a deck like this
it was either UUU with a few plagues or UUF with no krakens or eggs
civic kelp
nobody was playing a deck like this
Yeah most of the lists I saw looked way worse
ocean warren
Ok I know this probably won’t make anyone happy here but honestly I don’t see kraken moving the needle. Unholy frenzy gives us the kraken benefit right away, and that’s pretty mid, in addition to being removal. If we argue that we don’t always have a minion to bonk, dead air would still be better for the same effect
I know the ideal curve is 3/2 into kraken into yodeler
If we could even just consistently land yodeler in eggs I think we would have seen more success with it by now
Compare that line to unliving champion for example
A board of 3/2a or 3/3s doesn’t really cut it, since there is hollow hound, unleash fel in the format
Otherwise, imp warlock would be much stronger
I really don’t want to be too negative here. I love death rattle decks, so someone argue me out of this reasoning
quartz grove
kraken better for combos with chained guardian and death growl is the main thing
you can create some pretty unkillable boards once you get guardian discounted
civic kelp
Thats more or less my mentality
I don't think this plague DK works without kraken in my mind
All the other lists look way to "fair" and don't do "unfair things" (like most good hs decks)
Either plagues with just unholy, to me just looks way worse than regular grave strength unholy, and then the lists that are focused on being "control decks" with stuff like hollow hound seem to me as too "honest"
The powerful play is the chained guardian, kraken, death growl, yodeler, and potentially even these cards with primus
Idk if these plays will work, but I'm probs gonna spend the first day of the expac trying to figure out if these work on a somewhat consistent basis
ebon quiver
Yeah I’ve been trying to look at what new DR decks we got and it’s tough
ocean warren
walk me through the ideal turns
ebon quiver
I got a lot of plague cards in arena and even with helya on 4 felt bad
civic kelp
walk me through the ideal turns
Like a curve? or the combo turn
ocean warren
ok so if I kill the kvaldir, you kraken the egg, then you have a board of 3/3s on 4
civic kelp
Correct
civic kelp
That's true
The thing I need to see in practice is how fast the chained guardians become combo-able
It's hard to visualize how cheap they will be if you hit "a good curve"
Like if you manage to yodeler a kvaldir it's already -6
ocean warren
I'm guessing they are tuned to be roughly turn 5
civic kelp
Helya makes it another -3 so -9 in total
2 mana chained guardians are easy to kraken combo with on 6?
Duno if thats too slow
ocean warren
6 is a swing turn both ways
that's unleash fel, hollow hound, double bridge riff
etc
civic kelp
Chained guardians should be hard to interact with with most of the meta swing cards
Reborn isn't exactly an easy keyword to interact with
ocean warren
yeah guardian is the real payoff here
civic kelp
chained guardian is the entire reason to run plagues
The actual plagues themselves are quite shit
civic kelp
Magatha :)
ocean warren
mag does help
civic kelp
Magatha, vizier discovers, baron can be used with krakens and such in a pinch, obviously a very weak play overall compraed to using it for the good cards
ocean warren
I guess is it the same power level as a vault -> dimensions
or drum circle with both effects
all of that nonsense
maybe
civic kelp
If chained guardian can come down consistently for cheap, maybe, but if it's too expensive too often then the deck just is a flop
I get the skeptisism, I'm cautiously optimistic about this, I can see it totally not working at all, but to me this shell in concept seems the most "unfair" compared to a lot of the lists I saw on the TC streams
ocean warren
this list is better, definitely
civic kelp
I don't think "putting plagues in UDK" make the deck better at all
ocean warren
it just feels like it's still missing a piece to push it over the edge
civic kelp
or making things a "weird control deck" usually don't work out too well
civic kelp
it just feels like it's still missing a piece to push it over the edge
I agree, a big issue I have is no corpse spender
It'd be nice to have some playable minion that turns corpses into card draw, defrost on a stick or something
Or just making the duskbreaker way stronger, I really think it should just cost 3
I think blizzard needs to design 2x rune cards to be of equal strength to 3x rune cards, because the tradeoff is massive
Losing marrowgar, or fwf is a big ask when the "payoff" is a 2 mana to a minion, and 4 mana duskbreaker
ocean warren
ok so if we go UUU we only lose tomb and down with the ship, right
or am I missing something
civic kelp
Yeh, just those 2
civic kelp
It should for sure go face :p but yeah
U also lose thassarian fwiw
Lose out on another good target for yodeler, kraken stuff
ocean warren
don't care about thass here
civic kelp
fair
ocean warren
so the question is
is the two plagues from ship worth it
to skip marrow
I know what you're saying about half assing it
civic kelp
Depends how much they help chained guardian :p
I could maybe see dropping the dual rune stuff and just going like, marrowgar, plaguestrike or something instead
ocean warren
put in a runeforging
civic kelp
I think ull really struggle on the board without duskbreaker since a lot of ur minions are pretty medium without landing a nutty Yodeler
ocean warren
unholy is really good at board control, if you put the good cards in
civic kelp
Which are?
ocean warren
plague strike is a big one
civic kelp
Just plaguestrike?
civic kelp
What would the cuts be for all the minion stuff, stuff like baron?
And the 2x rune cards?
civic kelp
Ye
ocean warren
unholy doesn't really run it now
mag and one fool is enough
some lists don't even run fool
you're going to hate me for this
but I'm looking over the list
and I want to cut kraken
civic kelp
Totally diff deck at that point but yeah, might be the way to go
Just put plagues in udk instead
ocean warren
I'm not saying we don't revisit udk
like maybe growl is worth it
but frenzy would combine kraken and plague strike
into one card
definitely try your list day one
we've had archetypes in the past (curse imp) that work as a hybrid
the deck list has to be very carefully balanced
again, i don't really care about losing the frost cards though
civic kelp
Yeah all fair points
My goal for the first few weeks is to try and figure out kraken, somewhere
The card is just begging to be broken, theres lots of dumb activators in standard too
Shallow grave, deathgrowl, yodeler, hedge maze
It's gonna break somewhere..
ocean warren
like this list is very close to yours
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### UUU Death Knight
# Cost: 10520
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# ⬜ 2x (1) Foul Egg
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Unholy Frenzy
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ravenous Kraken
# 🟪 2x (4) Grave Strength
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (8) Lord Marrowgar
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/6191679
just cutting the frost cards for really powerful unholy ones
civic kelp
LOL
"frost strike"
Yeah I guess it is just frost strike 
I could see something like this being better
I'll probably try out both
ocean warren
there's a whole bunch of cards that I would start swapping and it would probably end up a lot closer to the standard unholy list
ocean warren
if you find you're not generating enough plagues, definitely consider runeforging
the weapon is three plagues
it's a really good card
civic kelp
Yeah, its carving chisel
ocean warren
the cut is probably a growl btw
I think tour guide is a little sus too, but I won't go into much more detail
I do get the love for kraken
civic kelp
Somebody suggested tour guide because it's pretty good off of death growl
ocean warren
I started here and couldn't figure out a deck
civic kelp
I forget what I ended up cutting, I think a teacher
1 mana for 2 targets, 1 that procs right away
Lol yeah
It's a hard card to figure out for sure
Not comparing this decks powerlevel to cubelock of course, I think this shell might need a buff to really excel, but that deck looked pretty shaky and then everything just kinda fit into place, and it won a lot of Hearthstone games
I think DR decks especially tend to look weird until they prove themselves to work since the DR stuff is usually a pretty shaky foundation
Look at how many times DR hunter hasn't worked :p
ocean warren
mountain bear gaming
civic kelp
LOL yeah
My hope is kraken ends up as defining as cube, loved that card so much
Trying to remake my favourite deck 
vital reef
I think kraken is most likely to work out this expansion in either DK/Hunter/Warlock
those classes have the only deathrattle synergy really
civic kelp
Alright so I went like
very positive overall with the deck
I think @meager nimbus also did really well with it
meager nimbus
yeah
civic kelp
and @verbal solstice
meager nimbus
i'm playing 2 hounds over titan and sylv mostly because i didnt pack titan
play titan if you have it
very obviously strong
i'm just a poor f2p
meager nimbus
sylv vs hound could be a real debate to have depending on how the wind blows
civic kelp
yeh
verbal solstice
i think i wanna cut thas for a hound, i don't know what my other cut will be
civic kelp
Thassarian I could see as cuttable
He was just a good Dr that I wanted for consistency but he's not core
meager nimbus
yeah thas is just solid but not core to the strategy
verbal solstice
If a token-y hunter gets strong blightfang could be a consideration
civic kelp
verbal solstice
Okay i gotta go do things so probably wont be playing the rest of the day but
-1x tomb
-Thas
+2x hounds
feels great
cinder mantle
Tragically, I did not unpack the full plague package 
But here's hoping the list gets validated with the report
cobalt cave
cutting a duskbreaker? definitely adding hounds though
odd flame
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Wanna try something like this
I dont get the Krakens guys
verbal solstice
Yeah krakens are really good
They also accelerate plagues which gets chains down fast
civic kelp
ye thats the big thing about that and death growl, is they make ur chained guardians way faster
posting this for twitter
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### FUU Death Knight
# Cost: 10720
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# ⬜ 2x (1) Foul Egg
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Down with the Ship
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ravenous Kraken
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# 🟨 1x (4) Thassarian
# 🟦 2x (4) Tomb Traitor
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/6245752
You needed to draw like 9 exact cards in the exact right order to pull off this dream on turn 7
meager nimbus
its like a 3 card combo
you have decent draw
plus like
without something like this the deck is just omega fair
and fair decks go in the bin
odd flame
I just won a game with a pretty nutty Ignis weapon
Necrotic Mortician feels good, I discovered a Chained Guardian with it
ocean warren
Chained guardian at 7 there
I thought that was going to be the litmus test for the deck
civic kelp
Chained guardian at 7 there
I bottomed decked every single plague that game
I just did egg stuff that game and won that way
odd flame
damn Primus is nutty
civic kelp
Yeah imagine if you kraken yodel it 
rapid pollen
How does it do against gigachad
civic kelp
Probably not great if they draw the curve
If they get a slow opener you can sylv something they reborn
If they draw the location anub slime loken curve idk if its possible
rapid pollen
I just played like 5 games if chad and got the 3 and 4 every time
civic kelp
Unless u god opener as well
rapid pollen
Lmao
civic kelp
and get chained guardian to 0 mega fast
rapid pollen
Yea I'm making this shit
Mostly cuz I always keep every dk card
But mana debuffs are too op
rapid pollen
Is that ur tag
rapid pollen
Of dk or hearthstone in general
civic kelp
Uh its my rogues name from wow and it's stuck just due to how much of a repuation I have in wow now
So it's my public facing screen name
rapid pollen
How is wow going lately lol u seem like a whole hearthstone player
civic kelp
Good, Patch is on maintanence atm, tier is over, cleared and geared 3 characters to full bis
So just enjoying other video games for the time being
I will vanish from here whenever wow becomes my main game again for the first month of the tier
tough iron
I keep trying this and don't understand it
Like it feels like if they just remove the egg or kvaldir the deck just kinda sits there and becomes really passive
how do you mulligan and actually play this?
rapid pollen
First hame I just didn't draw plagues
Second game I didn't draw plagues but still won
Feels like alot of deathrattle things to do and the board is always full
Bro had like 10 plagues in his deck and never drew one lmao I think u kinda need plagues to help out
modest python
Kraken feels pretty good.
Obviously there are games where your opponent doesnt draw any of your 12 plagues. But its still fun to play
Oh I did not realize you can chained guardian > Kraken > yodeler the Kraken since it has a DR
supple basalt
@civic kelp how does this deck fair vs the control cucks
civic kelp
I mean u lose to shard of the naru
Nothing u can do abt that
thats like the only real control deck
civic kelp
quartz grove
fuck priest 
civic kelp
I can't believe vs stole my deck name (very original) and is causing so much confusin in the #violet-hold-waiting-room channel
meager nimbus
@civic kelp did hat jam any games
civic kelp
I think so but I was raiding and then doing sf6 coaching
Or should I say, getting coached
remote glen
What is the latest deck code @civic kelp? I love the idea behind the deck
meager nimbus
i don't think anyone has really deviated from this 30 yet too much
someone cut thassarian and something else for 2 hollow hounds
thassarian is kinda just alright but not core to the strategy
the other cut could be a tour guide or sylvanas depending
sylvanas is good into titans and big stuff you see from hunter and rogue
tour guide is good for death growl
2 minions for 1 mana and they go on both sides of a deathrattle
odd flame
I deviated a whole lot personally lol
eternal idol
is the non kraken version looking any better
odd flame
here's the VS list. Low number of games. It is performing decently
meager nimbus
bone breaker not being good isnt surprising
one of your best cards is a different 1 mana weapon
odd flame
yeah that aint it
meager nimbus
gilded tartan
I lost to this yesterday, but Helya on 4 so somewhat of a high roll. Seems fun.
odd flame
dont know if I would call simply playing a 4 mana card on turn 4 a highroll but sure
gilded tartan
True lol, I guess there were enough plagues that the unending didn’t matter a whole lot
eternal idol
nah man helya isnt too much of a highroll
odd flame
The Primus is the best card
verbal solstice
It’s full of good cards tbh
meager nimbus
this deck is sweet
gilded tartan
Yeah this is fun AF
modest python
I kind of needed healing, so I cut one tour guide and thassarian for 2 hollow hounds
Running kraken list
meager nimbus
yeah those are the best cuts i think
rapid pollen
I hard picked my hand this game but <:OMEGALUL:588187012067229697>
The absolute dream curve
civic kelp
here's the VS list. Low number of games. It is performing decently
Really just magnificent deck building by me
Turns out astalor sylvanas and primus are all insane
meager nimbus
noobs dont understand
civic kelp
Super fucked up theres no stats on a kraken version yet (the good one)
meager nimbus
we need to find a plague DK streamer
noob version
and convert them
maybe pocket train
he's played a lot of noob DK
verbal solstice
Just beat a Rena control priest who synchro’d my helya
Sylvanas won me the game by letting me steal their titan
eternal idol
we need to find a plague DK streamer
whats noob dk
meager nimbus
just plague DK without kraken stuff
more like the vS list
or the list feno made
which runs like hounds and skeletal sidekicks
eternal idol
ahh
ocean warren
Glory streamed a bunch of the VS plague list yesterday
meager nimbus
pocket train played it a lot as well and thought it was quite good
plagues are definitely good
civic kelp
The incident
(I death growl yodelered the following turn)
(After he emoted me for primusing my primus)
meager nimbus
thats just the amount of primuses that you should have in a hearthstone game
not a big deal
ebon quiver
Does plague beat priest
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civic kelp
It looked decent ish in the vs version
civic kelp
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New list
-thas +yogg
Thass looks bad in every shell for this deck so far
Not enough stats on my build still, but thass looks not great and yogg prison is like astalor, u just play it in every deck
meager nimbus
i realised when i was awake at 3am with an itchy leg why this deck is good
chained guardian is just bloodboil brute
kraken is the bloodsworn merc
why wouldnt i play bloodsworn mercenary with bloodboil brute
meager nimbus
if we converted jdeg we can convert anyone
next dune
Welp
Time to craft Helya I guess ahah
Would investing in this deck be a bit risky, in your opinion?
I already have the Primus
meager nimbus
plague DK looks quite good anyway
the stuff that is more experimental is the deathrattle package which is all cheap
civic kelp
yeh
next dune
Warlock is a very difficult matchup, isn't it?
Also why do I feel that Chadlock will be nerfed sooner or later
meager nimbus
warlock doesnt really have matchups
its mega solitaire
plague DK gives me the vibe of a deck that might be too good if the obvious nerf candidates get hit
i only feel unfavoured vs hunter, warlock and priest
verbal solstice
Guys what about malignant horrors. They will copy our DR we put on them with death growl
Might be a bit too cute
Buttttt
Could be good
civic kelp
meager nimbus
🫡
civic kelp
Yeah today so far has been "draw 2 chained guardians before a single plague card"
meager nimbus
just like how maiev is the quest rogue skin
will this one go down as the kraken dk skin
honestly other than control priest and maybe slightly hunter
i dont think we lose to anything other than the highroll decks
meager nimbus
just unlucky
next dune
We don't have stats about the deck for now, do we?
I'm kinda torn about the whole Kraken package tbh
At the same time the standard (?) Plague list feels like it's lacking something
meager nimbus
yeah i think guy was gonna write a compHS reddit post to get the deck beyond this server so that theres actually stats and stuff
for the next report
next dune
How have you been doing so far?
cobalt cave
I need to get past the fact that the losses with this deck will often feel pretty bad
and in return I get to play the most interesting deck in the format rn
meager nimbus
yeah to a degree right now
a lot of games you just have to say
'i got unlucky'
like any mech rogue loss
or slimelock loss
they just had the thing
is what it is
cobalt cave
on the brightside those decks aren't ever fun to lose a game too
meager nimbus
yeah
civic kelp
In the same way that when you play relic dh, and bottom 10 all ur plagues
Sometimes u draw 2x chained guardians before any plagues, all plagues are bottom 10, titan is bottom 10
Or they just go location > anub > slime > loken
cobalt cave
keen prism
Alright mobile session done, no clue how it went aside from me not losing a single game 
Highlight was getting a Primus lethal
civic kelp
Alright mobile session done, no clue how it went aside from me not losing a sing...
I think you stole all my good luck
But W
civic kelp
Yeah
civic kelp
Yeah uhm
I think I used up all my luck with this deck
I WON???????????
Yeah Okay
Maybe its always plague dk
civic kelp
Okay I think I want to cut tour guide, how do other ppl feel about that
Probably for hound? or maybe something else
Feels too low impact outside of specifically death growl
next dune
Yeah Tour guide does basically nothing
Hound would help surviving, so why not
But I don't think I have enough experience to suggest things for now
cobalt cave
I don't either but I'm still in favour of guides for hounds
this is what happens when you play the vs list and not kraken
civic kelp
Yeah dude kraken is nuts in the mirror
I mean either way cut cards and tell me how u guys feel
verbal solstice
man TG is just so good for death growl tho
civic kelp
It is but I keep drawing it and it just sits there
verbal solstice
then play it silly
civic kelp
LOL
verbal solstice
wait ashen kinda juicy
civic kelp
Theres no good forge cards is the issue
So if this is the current list were going off of
Whats the cuts
2x tour guide for 2x holy spell guy and ignis? over like prison?
verbal solstice
tbh i wanna cut the frost rune cards
civic kelp
Down with the ship is too good
verbal solstice
Down with the ship is too good
its good, but would we be better with marrow
civic kelp
If u want to play a marrowgar deck, just play unholy as is
verbal solstice
If u want to play a marrowgar deck, just play unholy as is
i mean, we don't spend corpses and we have like infinite
civic kelp
It'd just be better to drop all the plague stuff and just be no new cards UDK
I thinks
I don't think 3u plagues is the way to go
meager nimbus
meager nimbus
trying it out
civic kelp
or another HS card
verbal solstice
It'd just be better to drop all the plague stuff and just be no new cards UDK
i mean wouldn't unholy be kinda bad into war and mage rn
although i don't think 3u shores up our bad matchup there either
civic kelp
^
civic kelp
I dont think playing swarmguard and grave strength get us there
Esp since mage removal is nonsense atm for DKish boards
verbal solstice
I dont think playing swarmguard and grave strength get us there
i don't know that i want those
i kinda just want marrow
civic kelp
So were playing 3u for literally only marrowgar?
and then our chained guardians get worse, and we have less midgame aoe?
verbal solstice
hes a good card
civic kelp
He is but he makes chained guardian worse
modern sail
have we considered
whiffs on kraken right
verbal solstice
yeah
modern sail
nice
verbal solstice
but hits on growl
modern sail
Put it in
civic kelp
Its so ass
verbal solstice
whiffs on kraken right
oh i just noticed what that meant
yeah bone is bad
lmao
cobalt cave
I don't think the list needs to consider ever changing runes
I'd be miserable with even one less plague shuffler
verbal solstice
okay but this doesn't look too bad tbh.
civic kelp
I think u underestimate how much more expensive chained guardian is gonna be
verbal solstice
and actually now that i'm thinking about it grave does let us be the beatdown in the mage and war matchup
verbal solstice
I think u underestimate how much more expensive chained guardian is gonna be
just do a little kraken distressed
or growl
cobalt cave
verbal solstice
or yodel
verbal solstice
I think u underestimate how much more expensive chained guardian is gonna be
how often are you playing both downs in ur games
i cut hawk for TG since im gonna rely on it more with this list
civic kelp
Okay this is the funniest game I've ever played of this deck
Jotun shuffled like 10 extra plagues in his deck
Nice
meager nimbus
honestly so far havent had a game where hound would have worked
meager nimbus
either dead too early to rogue or hunter or i was the beatdown
civic kelp
Thats how I felt about hound when originally building the deck
verbal solstice
Thats how I felt about hound when originally building the deck
i think guardians still come down plenty fast
civic kelp
Nice
verbal solstice
3-0 so far
seems good
Grave really lets you decide if you are the beatdown
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### UUU Death Knight
# Cost: 7280
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# ⬜ 2x (1) Foul Egg
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# ⬜ 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# ⬜ 2x (2) Plague Strike
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ravenous Kraken
# 🟪 2x (4) Grave Strength
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (7) Prison of Yogg-Saron
# 🟨 1x (8) Lord Marrowgar
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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for any that wants to try it out
supple basalt
Probably for hound? or maybe something else
Weren't u a hound hater
verbal solstice
only lost to one slime highroll so far
civic kelp
@quartz grove @meager nimbus thoughts?
meager nimbus
looks pretty good
and yeah after playing a few games i'm not very keen on hound honestly
just kinda didnt matter when it came down
and a lot of games it didnt
civic kelp
Wasn't sure if I wanted to include screenshots
meager nimbus
yeah probably no need
cobalt cave
I played it out but 3 boards lost to 2 copies of soulstealer and a corpse explosion
civic kelp
Tragic
cobalt cave
dropped from d2 to d5 but the copium is still flowing
civic kelp
such a dumb card, I hate steam cleaner, such a dumb and narrow tech card
verbal solstice
i just had prison of yogg tome tamper me
cobalt cave
it's bedtime
civic kelp
Dude if that hit primus 
supple basalt
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This was me lul
StormmNerd
Who else 
I'm just gasing you up
civic kelp
I'm just gasing you up
supple basalt
But I will try the deck if the report ends up saying it's good
I'm just holding my dust for now
yk what I will share this on compHS discord
@civic kelp can you send me a screenshot of the deck in game
imma post in this style and link ur post
supple basalt
this is good
keen prism
Where's your Sargeras noob?
civic kelp
Have u sylv + krakened anybody yet
keen prism
Yes
But this just happened
They healed for 32
Steamcleaner'd
Even freaking Deafen
Just all the lifegain
civic kelp
DId you win
civic kelp
keen prism
Kraken the Primus
civic kelp
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
keen prism
1-drop into coin Snoop
civic kelp
Yeah
keen prism
GG
civic kelp
Well does anything beat that
It's like warlock
Does anybody beat location anub slime loken
civic kelp
I feel like there is a lot of room for error when playing rogue
I've played these types of decks a lot so I feel pretty comfortable with it
I wonder how much that affects the matchup
civic kelp
Death growl nuts in this list
meager nimbus
yeah it has the nerubian eggs as well
its a little different from ours
nerubian egg, skeletal sidekicks, hounds instead of barons, tour guides, sylv, astalor
sidekick is interesting but i dont know if i'd feel comfortable not having baron
verbal solstice
ya'll
we got bronze through gold data
not exactly our lists but its interesting
kraken looks bad but growl looks good
which is interesting
civic kelp
How much of kraken is making Yodeler look that insane though
verbal solstice
How much of kraken is making Yodeler look that insane though
i mean yodel also has a huge Mull WR
so probz not much
civic kelp
Low sample
verbal solstice
i mean yeah
obviously
i know its sacrilege in here but i could see kraken being bad though tbh. i have had plenty of games where he just sits. I also have games where kraken wins it
hard to say
civic kelp
I think kraken is a card ppl tend to save for the perfect moment which doesn't help it
verbal solstice
I think kraken is a card ppl tend to save for the perfect moment which doesn't h...
that's super true
civic kelp
A lot of the time I just jam it on just anything I have on board
Holding it for next game usually isn't ideal
Like I've ate astalor 5 before with kraken and then yodleered it
cobalt cave
over games I've noticeably gotten gradually more use out of kraken
no doubt a big nuts card
rapid pollen
i just threw kraken yodeler and naval mine into frost DK
seems fine
why we plaguing tho
the useful part of kraken DK is kraken stuff
i feel like im just casting plagues to pass the time
civic kelp
chained guardian is a card
ocean warren
civic kelp
ocean warren
I don’t think death growl or unholy frenzy are bad options
civic kelp
It just feels so insane to get it with chained guardian and primus
ocean warren
Unholy frenzy will get the reborn back on guardian btw
cinder mantle
Chained Guardians are not undead btw
verbal solstice
Guys I cooks something maybe a bit spicy and a bit sacrilegious
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### BUU Death Knight
# Cost: 7280
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# ⬜ 2x (1) Foul Egg
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Nerubian Egg
# 🟪 2x (2) Obliterate
# ⬜ 2x (3) Darkfallen Neophyte
# ⬜ 2x (3) Harmonic Metal
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# ⬜ 2x (4) Nerubian Swarmguard
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Gnome Muncher
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (7) Patchwerk
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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Obliterate helps us kill rogue
Patchwork helps us kill mage
Handbuff makes our egg shenanigans better
No kraken tho
meager nimbus
kind of looks neat honestly
worried you dont shuffle enough plagues to get chained guardian playable
verbal solstice
worried you dont shuffle enough plagues to get chained guardian playable
You get enough in triple unholy in my experience
So I think you get enough here
@civic kelp what do you think did I cook
civic kelp
It is for sure different
keen prism
Where are we on Tour Guide vs Hollow Hound? Anything to report?
Also, reddit post seems to have had its effect. D-L only 200 games
Okay those could be us lmao
civic kelp
It worked 
A lot of ppl on my post seem to like the build
Most comments have been people goiing positive and feeling like they are doing way more poweful stuff
Hopefully it keeps getting data
meager nimbus
we have spread our cultural influence
keen prism
I really wanna get more data on this
Specifically, is Hound good in here
I feel like it's necessary
but this shit is powerful man
Yogg froze their titan on curve btw
civic kelp
civic kelp
quartz grove
obviously turbo low sample but i wonder if you just play exactly kraken and death growl and ditch the egg, yodeler, and tour guide
civic kelp
Yeah I could see it
Oh wait is that literally my list
Thats the one I posted on reddit
quartz grove
oh lol
civic kelp
Nice
civic kelp
I'll probably revisit this idea whenever they end up buffing plagues since I think they are probably tier 3
Unless the feno list pops up to tier 2
quartz grove
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### FUU Plague DK
# Cost: 14520
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Down with the Ship
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ravenous Kraken
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# 🟪 2x (4) School Teacher
# 🟨 1x (4) Thassarian
# 🟦 2x (4) Tomb Traitor
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Hollow Hound
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (7) Prison of Yogg-Saron
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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i took feno list and cut mortician and the ignis stuff for kraken death growl
gonna try this
civic kelp
I was thinking about like
2x watcher, 1x ignis 1x runeforging over teacher, finley, prison
Idk abt u but my yoggs don't be working anymore
I think they changed it
If u end up jamming it lmk how it goes
but yeah ig u dont even need the yodeler really
Just kraken and deathgrowl is pretty sweet
Death growl looked good in another plague list as well
I think it's just good in this archetype, esp with kraken
quartz grove
this mage just discovered shard i hate this game
its ok bc he did it on a shitty board
civic kelp
Another reason to rotate shard
quartz grove
they need to delete alibi man
this shit is so boring
game lasted 3 more turns than it should have bc he just played 3 alibis while i had an unkillable board
anyway 100% wr, broken deck confirmed
cobalt cave
what are the odds they don't touch plagues
civic kelp
Uh depends where they land after their first balance patch
cobalt cave
even as an underperformed big archetype I could see them touching smthn else
civic kelp
I mean they usually buff stuff if it sucks
Like idk how u buff dh for example but its pretty easy to buff plagues
I mean we're not even a week in
And they seem to be falling off
I don't either, right away anyway
Why?
That just makes it a 3x unholy deck
Isn't that so boring?
I mean probably not right
Theres no dual rune payoff
The dual rune payoff of the cards we have is that they say plague on it
Whats the payoff for doing 1 blood, vs 3 unholy
Having marrowgar in this deck would be a significant upgrade
Marrowgar is way better than patchwork
Yeah why not justmake the dual rune payoff better
make the duskbreaker a 4/5, make it go face, make it not destroy a plague, but "if there is a plague in your opponents deck, deal 3 and shuffle in another"
Do something
Make the payoffs strong
Syndragosa should be a 1u1f though
💯
Would be a massive upgrade to the deck
No cap
meager nimbus
to be fair i think plagues are good enough that like
if they do the nerfs that people seem to expect they will do
the deck will improve to good playability
you just get too rolled by mech rogue
when that deck goes away itll be a lot better
next dune
True, but plague it's a kinda weak package
I think it could be nice to get more plague cards in the miniset
I'd buff Earthens for sure
Why is Stoneheart king 4 mana
And Disciple could go to 5 mana, I guess?
Maybe Odyn to 7 since control warrior is in a very bad spot?
ocean warren
What if plagues sat in the opponents hand. They didn’t do anything, but just taking up hand space would be very annoying for players hoarding cards
It’s tough to OTK if you have to spend mana after doing a volume up to dump plagues
ebon quiver
I’m seeing some plague dk at top 100 legend now running the unholy list and plagues and Yogg
ocean warren
one of the things plagues do is mess up cards like volume up
civic kelp
Its very funny against relics
rapid pollen
I’m seeing some plague dk at top 100 legend now running the unholy list and plag...
Do you have their list
ebon quiver
Not anymore it’s probably the one on hs with under 50% though
modern sail
we're back
modern sail
im 3-0 rn so clearly yes
tiny pier
civic kelp
Are we back
ocean warren
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### UUU Plague DK
# Cost: 10800
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Arms Dealer
# 🟦 2x (1) Death Growl
# ⬜ 2x (1) Foul Egg
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Down with the Ship
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# ⬜ 2x (3) Ravenous Kraken
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# 🟦 2x (4) Tomb Traitor
# 🟦 2x (4) Yelling Yodeler
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# 🟨 1x (6) Sylvanas, the Accused
# 🟨 1x (8) Lord Marrowgar
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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Seems reasonable
I’m curious about infected ghoul, to be honest
Or applebaum
Or invincible
eternal idol
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civic kelp
Is it always kraken DK/
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### BUU Plague DK
# Cost: 14240
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Runes of Darkness
# 🟨 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# ⬜ 2x (1) Staff of the Primus
# 🟨 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 🟪 2x (2) Distressed Kvaldir
# 🟦 2x (2) Down with the Ship
# ⬜ 2x (3) Chillfallen Baron
# ⬜ 2x (3) Nerubian Vizier
# 🟨 1x (4) Blademaster Okani
# ⬜ 2x (4) Death Strike
# 🟨 1x (4) Helya
# 🟪 2x (4) School Teacher
# 🟦 2x (4) Tomb Traitor
# 🟨 1x (5) Magatha, Bane of Music
# ⬜ 2x (6) Gnome Muncher
# 🟨 1x (7) Patchwerk
# 🟨 1x (7) Prison of Yogg-Saron
# 🟨 1x (8) The Primus
# 🟪 2x (11) Chained Guardian
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