Big Demon DH

[spice hemlock]

honestly, does this list just want to cut xhilag too? just go all in on inquisitors and rely on disposes to fix bad draws?

also i kinda like at least 1 calamity's grasp because that way, after a LtC you can equip a weapon for 0 mana to activate the inquisitor you're cheating out

[calm ledge]

Xhi is generally very good against minion decks

Paladin, naga

Just lots of pew pew

Easy to infuse all fel

[cosmic zinc]

Greedy partner is smart

But does the list need more two drops?

Also do we fit snake oil in that card seems to be a high mull% in every deck it’s in

[cinder wharf]

also gives a spell for evoker

[cosmic zinc]

Though I’m hesistant on cutting arcanist and unleash with all the paladins and aggro dh out there

But I guess it’s not as good into giants

[calm ledge]

Your mileage may vary. Funki queued into lots of mid range

[cosmic zinc]

O he cut brutals too

[calm ledge]

Yeah

Went heavy on the 8 charge damage

[lucid grove]

Guys I think I cracked the code of my new deck

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4000
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# 🟦 2x (2) Predation
# 🟪 2x (2) Wayward Sage
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5AwAPgIUEiLIEmLoE+b8EpeIEi5IFkpIFnaQFkKUF4fgFhY4GhpAGiZAGkZAG65gGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8578820

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8578820

[calm ledge]

What I’m particular feels good about this build?

[lucid grove]

1 less pair of cards that gets drawn during blindeye turns

to really hone in the tutor combo

miracle salesman is a spell for activation or emergency 1 mana draw 1

[cosmic zinc]

Clark is playing big dh right now

[cosmic zinc]

Only 380 games played D-L but this is the highest WR deck atm
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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4000
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Dryscale Deputy
# ⬜ 2x (2) Fossil Fanatic
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# 🟦 2x (2) Parched Desperado
# ⬜ 2x (2) Rainbow Glowscale
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# ⬜ 1x (3) Sigil of Time
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
AAECAea5AwL+vwScmgYOgIUEiLIEyLcEwMoEpeIEi5IFkKUFsvUF4fgFkIMGhpAGiZAGjZAG65gGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8594769

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8594769

[cosmic zinc]

Is this the list?

[calm ledge]

WR there is very promising

[cosmic zinc]

Fanatic looks good if Im reading these blindeye lists right. You have to look at Naga/spells seperately since blindeye draws them

and fanatic is the highest non spell/Naga above greedy

Dryscale might be a cut

for miracle salesman or something

[lucid grove]

My mission here is complete

The deck is catching on

[spice hemlock]

i fear it has the same problem as a lot of hybrid package decks in this position have had historically

even if it actually does outperform straight-up naga DH, blindeye is probably getting nerfed soon which probably removes the incentive to mix the packages

but it looks neat, imma try

[cosmic zinc]

okay I think -2 deputy, -2 fanatic for +2 wayward +2 felerin/argus

based off stats today

[calm ledge]

argus is an interesting titan

in theory it looks really good

but it's very defensive

I'd rather get all fel back in the deck (although I know this messes up sharpshooter)

[lucid grove]

It's really bad with blindeye

[lucid grove]

I just had an idea

What if we etc all fel

• silver moon arcanist and something else

Wait I think I've made a new breakthrough

So I've been trying out some of the innovations from the lists you guys have been posting and I didn't like most of them

But rainbow glowscale is a keep

I was thinking of adding greedy partner to my own list because it's such an obvious inclusion

But I decided to try out gold panner first

And it feels really fucking good

I recommend everyone try it as well

In place of the legendaries

@cosmic zinc

[lucid grove]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 4000
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
# ⬜ 2x (2) Gold Panner
# 🟦 2x (2) Predation
# ⬜ 2x (2) Rainbow Glowscale
# 🟪 2x (2) Wayward Sage
# 🟪 2x (3) Blindeye Sharpshooter
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5AwAPgIUEiLIEyLcEmLoE+b8EpeIEi5IFkpIFkKUF4fgFhY4GhpAGiZAGkZAGzpwGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8682392

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/8682392

[calm ledge]

https://vxtwitter.com/harapeco_HS/status/1728374746243547168

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[cosmic zinc]

Gese 25-2

Wonder if this version also has a better chance of surviving Blindeye nerf

[calm ledge]

probably. but yeah, insane win rate

I guess inquisitor is a better finisher then momentum

[latent kernel]

I played it a bit

At some point i had double evoker in hand and drew both inquisitor without dispose

I wonder how unplayable scythe is, if it hits a sharpshooter or evoker its easier to draw them

Similarly to a big dh list pre expansion that did the same thing

It was kind of fun

[calm ledge]

yeah just don't draw patches, easy

[spice hemlock]

i wont lie, the naga big list doesnt work so well in my hands

naga DH is not the kind of list im very good at

i wonder if this variant survives the nerf

[latent kernel]

Its the most likely i would say

The other variants tend to be more focused on sharpshooter

Even the handless one sort of relies on it a lot more than the big one

It probably is dead though and big dh stops playing shooter though

[spice hemlock]

thats probably for the best tbh. the naga and big packages dont fit together very naturally imo. its the sort of thing that only happens when a lynchpin card is overtuned enough

might be sayin different if i enjoyed playing that version more though

[lucid grove]

I think they fit very naturally only because blindeye tutors nagas

Which means she never draws demons

[spare needle]

Sharpshooter lives

[spice hemlock]

fucks sake so i still need to learn to play this variant properly?

[cosmic zinc]

i havent been doign well with it either

[languid compass]

I might give big dh a go

What list is the best atm?

[rotund salmon]

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Trying this out rn, y'all think it has potential?

[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 12760
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 2x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Relic of Extinction
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 1x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (2) Relic Vault
# ⬜ 2x (3) Abyssal Depths
# 🟦 2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟦   1x (5) Topple the Idol
# 🟨   1x (7) Lor'themar Theron
# ⬜   1x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟪 2x (6) Relic of Dimensions
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟨 1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9797078

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9797078

[rotund salmon]

wait holup, I just made an improvement:

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 11200
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# 🟦 1x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Relic of Extinction
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# 🟦 2x (2) Relic Vault
# ⬜ 2x (3) Abyssal Depths
# 🟦 2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
# ⬜ 1x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 🟦   1x (5) Topple the Idol
# 🟨   1x (7) Lor'themar Theron
# ⬜   1x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟪 2x (6) Relic of Dimensions
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟨 1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5Awb+vwSq3QSdpAX3wwX9xAXk5AUMgIUE8rEEr94EsN4EpeIEquIEheUEi5IFkpIFkKUFsvUF4fgFAAEDvsoE/cQF76IF/cQFnaQF/cQFAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9797136

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9797136

[rotund salmon]

more tinkering:
-1 fel and flames
-1 taste of chaos
+2 immolation aura

[rotund salmon]

wait why tf am I running topple the idol

I changed it to Jotun

[calm ledge]

you must be seeing a lot of trees is you are hard running double immolate aura

I've done the big relic deck in the past. it can be very powerful

I'm surprised you skipped crushclaw enforcer though

[rotund salmon]

I don’t really know what to play turn 2

That new dh draw weapon would slot in perfectly in place of the immolation auras

[calm ledge]

we should be playing studies on two

by the way

but spectral sight is another good two

if you're not interested in crushclaw, dryscale is very good in a relic deck

[cosmic zinc]

Saw Ron playing this from a viewer deck:

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 6260
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (4) Crimson Expanse
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
AAECAea5AwSEsgSkkgX3wwWogAYNgIUEtp8E1J8EpeIE6e0EkKUFsvUF4fgFhY4GkZAG6Z4G7p4G0rAGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9847941

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/9847941

[unique crest]

Argus

[rotund salmon]

Crimson Expanse to summon two large charge bois

[calm ledge]

good guy ron

looks solid though

[lucid grove]

[[crimson expanse]]

[wheat stirrup]

crimson expanse (Other potential matches)

Crimson Expanse (View card and tokens)

[lucid grove]

oooooooooohhh

[calm ledge]

yeah bash your inquisitor, dupe

[atomic edge]

feelsgood

[atomic edge]

new card carried

[unique crest]

That's unexpected

I thought it would have been too slow

[atomic edge]

it folds to pala for sure but i've managed to win one though

haven't seen more of them yet

if the playrate spikes, we could substitute some cards to wreck their early game

[calm ledge]

It's early and I forgot how to embed tweets

https://x.com/MakiahLangan/status/1748981641123696756?s=20

MakiahTime (@MakiahLangan) on X

I've been refining this big DH deck i found today. This deck actually feels amazing, 32-16 right now and 14-4 with this current version. Only loses to rogue. AAECAea5AwL+vwT3wwUOgIUEiLIEmLoE+b8EpeIEkKUFsvUF4fgFkIMGhpAGiZAGjZAG6Z4G7p4GAAA=

Twitter · Jan 21, 2024, 8:11 AM

[cosmic zinc]

Is makiak the one who made cleave Hunter

[calm ledge]

yeah

good deckbuilder

[atomic edge]

looks like an einstein deck

i wonder if we really want to run xhilag given we lack all fel

[cosmic zinc]

yeah xhilag I'm not sure on

probably good into paladin though

and druid cant always clear it

[calm ledge]

Yeah I think felerin is better then xhi here

[daring heath]

I really like xhi from the games I’ve tried with this

[cosmic zinc]

The list krampus posted doesn’t run greedy but I really like greedy in this

[daring heath]

Same

Really enjoying the deck

Might be one of my new faves

They’re calling it big dh but isn’t it really just a variation of Naga dh?

[lucid grove]

there's naga big dh

[daring heath]

Versus big demon dh?

[lucid grove]

yeah current development for pure big dh is the location list

posted above the naga big one

[daring heath]

Yeah i tried it. Which one are you running?

[lucid grove]

none yet

haven't been playing hs lately

[calm ledge]

oh yeah you def want greedy

we also run crimson expanse for the culture

[daring heath]

Breh how are you integrating crimson expanse

Seems like it’s literally only good with inquisitor

[calm ledge]

yeah but that's the main scam isn't it

we don't have all fel to rely on here

it's kind of just for fun

greedy is definitely core though

[daring heath]

Yeh

[calm ledge]

I like how much damage we can push through the naga early game

[lunar meteor]

i got destroyed by this guy twice while on fatigue sludgelock

[daring heath]

Card draw seems like an issue tho I keep getting stuck with hands full of low mana 2 damage cards

[calm ledge]

The price of greedy partner

Unfortunately

Taste of chaos is kind of sus tbh

[daring heath]

What would you sub for it?

[calm ledge]

Probably mistake

Or salesman

Another one drop

[daring heath]

This is the list on d0nkey; not sure if it’s newer than the one you posted

But it has school teacher

Looks like a pretty good wr too 62%

[calm ledge]

Yeah that’s a slower list

Basically school teacher over greedy

I think I still like having another one drop, probably salesman

[daring heath]

I agree I think salesman over chaos would be the move

Imma try it out

[rotund salmon]

How bout the undead one drop

[calm ledge]

Idk maybe?

It definitely contests early board really well

I like that salesman has a spell tucked away for the naga who care about it

Plus tradable if we gas our earlier

[rotund salmon]

I don’t like school teacher, I think low cost nagas are better as you wanna hit you big boi naga faster/more consistently

[rotund salmon]

That’s reasonable

[lucid grove]

So y'all liking naga big dh now?

[atomic edge]

yeah it farms warr

[calm ledge]

[atomic edge]

gotta try 1-2 games with makiah list rn

though gotta say i enjoy the greedy list with location a lot

[calm ledge]

Location actually good?

[lucid grove]

WorldEight and Elteras will forever be legends for turning big demon pack filler into a real deck

[atomic edge]

when you get to cut through armor yeah

[lucid grove]

I know they'll never keep evoker in core but we had a good run

[calm ledge]

So good they had to nerf it

[atomic edge]

imagine playing against naga dh that just whiffed and couldn't find sharpshooter

until surprise green rag comes in

[lucid grove]

honestly idk why people are so obsessed with cutting the second pair of demons

[atomic edge]

https://youtu.be/Huui_EzRjr8?si=DLS1tpurrMpM2f2Q&t=1206

timecode's in link

i didn't expect new location to insta summon ACTIVE tentacles for Xhilag

[calm ledge]

That seems like a big deal

[atomic edge]

tried like 5-6 games and it sucked though, nvm

two of them were rogues surprisingly

[lucid grove]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 2500
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 1x (2) Gold Panner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Crimson Expanse
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5AwKEsgTOnAYOgIUE1J8EpeIE6e0Ei5IFkpIFnaQFkKUFsvUF4fgFhY4GkZAG7p4G0rAGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10429606

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10429606

[lucid grove]

I'm running the list like this now

feels nice

considering dropping the filler gold panner for going down swinging but idk

the early curve draw is nice

[atomic edge]

how’s warock matchup?

[lucid grove]

haven't encountered many yet

but probably really bad

[calm ledge]

How’s the location

[atomic edge]

good against warrior but reno warning exists

[lucid grove]

I love the location

wish it was 3 mana

[atomic edge]

yeah 4 mana slot is kinda booked by loud girl

[lucid grove]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3160
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Crimson Expanse
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟪 2x (6) Coilskar Commander
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5AwAPgIUE1J8E8bEEpeIE6e0Ei5IFkpIFnaQFkKUFsvUF4fgFhY4GkZAG7p4G0rAGAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10537763

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10537763

[lucid grove]

if anyone wanna try their stupid coilskar buff

[rigid chasm]

Don't have Brutal Annihilan, any suggestions?

[lucid grove]

xhilag + argus maybe?

[calm ledge]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 6160
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟪 2x (6) Coilskar Commander
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
AAECAea5AwKkkgX3wwUOgIUE1J8E8bEEpeIE6e0EkpIFkKUFsvUF4fgFhY4GkZAGnJoG6Z4G7p4GAAA=
# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10537856

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10537856

[rigid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-yes-yass-awesome-gif-21935666

[[Mythical Terror]] thats the best I can do.

[wheat stirrup]

Mythical Terror (Other potential matches)

Mythical Terror (View card and tokens)

[calm ledge]

I went for the going down / burning heart

ok so our lists are pretty close. @lucid grove I think yours is probably a little better

I feel like sigil is really good though

we definitely want load the chamber

[lucid grove]

I tried burning heart and goind down swinging before

but they felt too weak

[calm ledge]

still, we both ended up pretty close

[lucid grove]

load the chamber works reaaaaaaally well

[calm ledge]

I haven't tried location yet

at all

lol

surprised they buffed topple before crimson

[lucid grove]

ikr

I like the location honestly

it helps trigger all fel so much

and gives you a lot of extra gas

[lucid grove]

I'm gonna try sigil over location and see how it goes

[lucid grove]

sigil makes me wanna play bibliomite because I'm drawing the demons too much

[lucid grove]

yeah the location is not cuttable

if sigil is making it in it's over something else

[lucid grove]

decided to drop screamo girl for sigil of time

first few matches it's feeling really good

[lucid grove]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 3040
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# ⬜ 2x (4) Crimson Expanse
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟪 2x (6) Coilskar Commander
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
# 🟪 2x (9) Brutal Annihilan
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10539505

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10539505

[lucid grove]

guys I think this is the definitive list

it feels really good

[spare needle]

The location is disgusting when used on big demon boys

Feels like cheating

[lucid grove]

it's super synergistic

also coilskar is usable now as a stabilizer

I had to drop the raging felscreamer because it was conflicting too much with the location

competing for turn 4

plus it doesn't contribute anything to the coilskar path

[spare needle]

Makes sense. I tried your OG version and my draw would brick. So I am happy running sigil

We can use load the chamber to discount evoker

Location on inquisitor is just disgusting

[lucid grove]

yeah worldeight was right about sigil

it's a godsend

I've already had multiple games saved by it

@calm ledge try this last list man it's the good stuff

I actually had my ass saved from a mech rogue today

by the coilskar

dropped it early because of load the chamber

and neutered the big turn

omg I outdid myself with this one

[calm ledge]

will do. just got home, probably be on it in about an hour

[rotund salmon]

Hold up those aren’t inquisitors!

[calm ledge]

lol yeah any minion ain't bad

plenty of titans or colossals to go around

list looks great

although I was always fond of screamer, it makes sense that load the chamber kind of replaces it

smoother curve with coilers

[golden jetty]

This deck is sick

We are so back

[calm ledge]

yeah list seems good

although I do keep drawing the big guys and miss screamer

arcane + unleash has been pretty useful

location is better then I thought

much easier to activate all fel with it

[lucid grove]

yep

the location makes the deck just curve out much better late game

you're pushing threats every turn

[spare needle]

Deck seems very good. Nice find yall. Going to play this the next 3 weeks

[rigid chasm]

Tried this with -2 Brutal (don’t have em) +2 Screamer (or Sigil w/e you cut). Feels good

[spare isle]

played one game, died to a Harth Warrior

gg good bait

where are my spells to activate these Nagas

[spare isle]

Nevermind, this deck is peak

https://hsreplay.net/replay/aNeiuPeQWPQiuTzLAZyvha

[calm ledge]

tempo rat

[balmy badge]

So far 0-3 with this deck maybe I’m just bad at it. Was in diamond one before sharpshooter nerf

Any tips with this deck?

[lucid grove]

I've been having a bad time against rogue

[balmy badge]

On a winning streak now. Haven’t gone against a rogue yet

Think I just needed to get familiar with it

[unique crest]

[[coilskar]]

[wheat stirrup]

coilskar (Other potential matches)

Coilskar Commander (View card and tokens)

[unique crest]

Ah

[lucid grove]

got a big buff

[unique crest]

What did they change? i don't remember

[lucid grove]

it used to be 2/6 lol

now it's 3/7

[unique crest]

Oh

I'd try it but I'm low on dust (1700) and I need to stockpile for the new expansion

Sadge

[lucid grove]

did you dust sharpshooter already

[unique crest]

Yep

I had one

[calm ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/were-back-its-over-gif-24400541

[lucid grove]

LMFAO

[balmy badge]

🤣

[unique crest]

Basically

[balmy badge]

Coin turn 2 into load the chamber then load the chamber again turn 3 lets you do this turn four 😂

[lucid grove]

Yep

The dream curve with coin

[calm ledge]

one last dance

[lucid grove]

Oh they reverted it?

I thought they skipped it

[calm ledge]

They did revert it. It’s just not in the patch notes

Predation and lady not touched, if you liked the naga package (I did)

[lucid grove]

yeah that's sad

s'theno version was the best

[sacred sequoia]

true, we all miss her

[unique crest]

It's been a short ride

But a really fun one

🫡

And so, the funniest DH deck ever rotates

[sacred sequoia]

on the other hand i don´t have to keep myself from recrafting her for a mere week

[calm ledge]

Relic of dimensions curve’s nicely into evoker now fwiw

[balmy badge]

What list we rocking now? The same list at the last one?

[calm ledge]

I'd probably run something with load the chamber or greedy partner

[balmy badge]

Dreading later today when I dust evoker

[balmy badge]

Last stand today I’m playing this deck.

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Diamond 2 right now trying to decide if I really want to push to legend before expansion.

[wheat stirrup]

### Big Demon Hunter
# Cost: 7060
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (1) Unleash Fel
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# 🟦 1x (3) Crushclaw Enforcer
# 🟪 2x (3) Eye Beam
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# ⬜ 2x (3) Silvermoon Arcanist
# 🟨 1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# ⬜ 2x (5) All Fel Breaks Loose
# 🟦 2x (6) Felscale Evoker
# 🟨 1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10073726

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/10073726

[calm ledge]

Good luck!

I really like loaf the chamber, it was a fantastic addition

[calm ledge]

we are so back

https://clips.twitch.tv/WittyAlluringWheelNotLikeThis-fMXn4s5uUHeUDd1i

1 mana mag ends it

never doubt felscreamer

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[wheat stirrup]

### Demon Hunter
# Cost: 2800
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟪 2x (2) Bartend-O-Bot
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# 🟪 2x (2) Wayward Sage
# ⬜ 2x (3) Umpire's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (4) Ball Hog
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Midnight Wolf
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11040729

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11040729

[languid compass]

What’s the point of greedy partners and felscreamers?

[wind relic]

manacheat

[frigid nest]

Is Fel and Flames just to stay on board until you can cheat demons? Or is there a sneakier combo?

[wind relic]

fel is tempo

[languid compass]

I mean, what exactly are you cheating out

Your two most important cards basically cost 3 mana

[wind relic]

fellscreamer after weapon’s dr basically costs 1 mana

or u can discover the mini version and drop it on the same turn

[cosmic zinc]

Ive been liking illidans gift

i liked it before expac too

[rigid chasm]

This looks amazing! I’m sus about the viability into Warrior

[languid compass]

If you can scam them, then you’ll win

That’s the gist

[spice hemlock]

ive been very pleasantly surprised by DH so far

played a bunch of different lists and multiple of them felt very powerful

[calm ledge]

Sorry I didn’t clarify, this was the list hat was running in that clip

But the point is that shopper is busted with mana cheat

[serene apex]

I’m still not sure about Raging Felscreamer

But I might just be playing this wrong

I mean you’d much rather have weapon or instrument tech, right? And if you have those then you need to play them, making Felscreamer a dead card

[calm ledge]

felscreamer isn't a mull keep

you pick it up along the way

but tech into weapon into screamer gives us a one mana shopper, one mana demon, one mana mini, one mana mini demon on 5

plus an attack if we roll green rag

if you want you can also play the felscreamer before the mini, so your demon cost 0

[serene apex]

Hmmmm. I can see your point; I’ll keep trying it out!

[calm ledge]

yeah probably not an all star in the deck, idk

it definitely fell out of favor once we stopped running truly big demons

like brutal

[sudden forum]

Wait is evoker core

• if yes and big dh isn’t dead, do we run magtheridon in the list?

[languid compass]

Nope

[calm ledge]

Felscreamer is core, evoker rotated, and generally the only demon you want to run is shopper

[balmy badge]

This deck got a shoutout in zeddys YouTube video from today

[spare isle]

what about 5/7 Zilliax?

[calm ledge]

One of the best zilliax

[rigid chasm]

Is this where I come to talk about Shopper DH?

I'm seeing some low sample data with Inquisitor and Mag being hard run in the deck.

[calm ledge]

yeah all shoppers are welcome

hard running any demons other then shopper is sus

[rigid chasm]

I can't see disrupting the Grasp draw as better, even if we pull Mag

Also, who is cooking with Drone Deconstructor?!

Huh, I guess that is the top WR version

[calm ledge]

@dusky vigil has been running drone

[wind relic]

stats are fake rn, no way the version with 8 drops is better than tempo dh

[rigid chasm]

It's not

I just saw some numbers for the cards

[wind relic]

deck has some flex spots

i ve seen a red card for extra mag/soft removal

not terrible

not proactive either

[rigid chasm]

I would love red card to be a thing, but the data looks bad on it... 😔

What about [[magatha]] and cutting the spells?

[wheat stirrup]

magatha (Other potential matches)

Magatha, Bane of Music (View card and tokens)

[wind relic]

still better than pozzik lol and a lot of people run him

[wind relic]

no never

we don’t need draw

esp at the cost of spells

tutor cards are way better imo

[rigid chasm]

yuh yu

In doing a data deep dive I'm finding most spells are garbage in this deck lmao

the only good ones are the 4 cost

[wind relic]

because they are situational most of the time

we like to run minions

fel and flames is an exception

i keep it in mull

great tempo

[rigid chasm]

I like fel and flames

[wind relic]

meta is for an extra reach which helps a lot of time

[rigid chasm]

but I'm seeing blind box above it

granted that is low sample

[wind relic]

blind fox?

[rigid chasm]

[[blind box]]

[wheat stirrup]

blind box (Other potential matches)

Blind Box (View card and tokens)

[rigid chasm]

being hard run

[wind relic]

dude low sample fs

nobody runs it

what a weird card to run in this deck

[serene apex]

I stand corrected on Raging Felscreamer, World8 was right it’s good

[calm ledge]

[wind relic]

it’s completely optional imo

not core but u can def run em

[rigid chasm]

Going to try running 1 screamer and 1 red card

[calm ledge]

if illidans gift wasn't so awful I'd say try wandmaker

gift should have had twin slice in it

[rigid chasm]

gift was supposed to be the card that made ignis dh actually a deck

[languid compass]

I think that @wanton walrus list is the best

Neophytes are a good addition

[wanton walrus]

Yeh neophytes are great

[languid compass]

The only sus card there is bob

He’s good for wolves

But he eats the mech cost reduction

So you can’t really play him t2

[wanton walrus]

Well he doesnt eat it, he uses it lol

Sometims getting the 1 mana 3/1 is good

[languid compass]

It is

But I’d rather play a 3 mana 5/7

[rigid chasm]

The current top list on donkey is using [[Pylon]] + [[ticking module]]

[wanton walrus]

This is where I'm at and I'm closer and closer getting to the point where I don't want to cut anything

[wheat stirrup]

Pylon (Other potential matches)

Peon (View card and tokens)

ticking module (Other potential matches)

Ticking Module (View card and tokens)

[rigid chasm]

[[pylon module]]

[wheat stirrup]

pylon module (Other potential matches)

Pylon Module (View card and tokens)

[wanton walrus]

You win a non zero amount of games with the 5/7

[rigid chasm]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 10840
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Drone Deconstructor
# ⬜ 2x (1) Frequency Oscillator
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟪 2x (1) Red Card
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# 🟦 2x (2) Parched Desperado
# 🟦 2x (2) Spirit of the Team
# ⬜ 2x (3) Umpire's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (4) Ball Hog
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# 🟨 1x (4) Pozzik, Audio Engineer
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# 🟨 1x (7) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (3) Pylon Module
# ⬜   1x (4) Ticking Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11162456

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11162456

[wanton walrus]

I don't think we are wide enough, often enough to actually leverage the buff

[languid compass]

Yeah, I agree

[rigid chasm]

Drone deconstructor helps that, and spirit of the team will usually stick

[languid compass]

If you are wide it means you are really ahead on board

[wanton walrus]

I'd rather just have my 5/7 that wins the game, idk

[languid compass]

And that happens against warlocks and warriors

[wind relic]

i can confirm oscillator + zilliax on 3 can be game ending quite often

even against warriors and locks

[wanton walrus]

I've been liking neophyte a lot

It's been locking my opponent out of the game a lot

Every good deck rn is pretty spell based (except pala)

[languid compass]

It’s clutch against both warriors and locks

[wanton walrus]

warrior, lock, shaman

[languid compass]

Sometimes even helps vs paladins

I haven’t really met that many shamans

[wind relic]

shamans are fringe

[wanton walrus]

I mean were an early advantage > burn deck vs a class that has tigress plush and the weapon

can't really beat that class sadly

[serene apex]

Potentially dumb question but why do we not play Joymancer Jepetto

[wanton walrus]

Why would you?

[languid compass]

Technically jepetto gives you mini shoppers

But since you kill people on t6

You don’t need him

[serene apex]

Wouldn’t he also give you any cards you got off the mini shopper

My thinking: I’ve been 5 damage from winning against control decks with an empty hand more often than I’d like

[modest bay]

left hearthstone after being mega tilted by badlands meta, back now and love this shopper dh deck

i think i get all the cards except for the zilliax

idk the most played list on donkey has pylon/ticking but my boards are usually not that wide

like the best case board i usually avg out to is 3 mana inquisitor, 3 or 1 mana magtheridon, and maybe 1 or 2 other minions

[wanton walrus]

It's just a mega dead card, not worth running at all

[modest bay]

would haywire/power zilly also work

[wanton walrus]

The 5/7 for 4 is the best one

[serene apex]

Agreed on that

[modest bay]

oh i'm dumb you guys were just talking about it

should have scrolled up

thx

[serene apex]

What I’m looking for I think is some sustainability tool — suppose they clear your Shopper threats and your hand is down to 2 cards, do you just concede and move on or is there some backup play that makes sense

Bearing in mind ZachO’s point that there’re a lot of flex spots in the deck

[atomic edge]

used to have wolves as such

[wanton walrus]

You aren't going to win every hs game so yeah you just accept that u lose

[serene apex]

Yeah wolves were never satisfying

[wanton walrus]

Most hs decks aren't able to deal with double shopper, minion chip damage, and other stuff

[serene apex]

Appreciate it

[wanton walrus]

Cuz the alternative is you run an expensive "tech card" like jepetto for exclusively control warrior, and then now your win rate in every other matchup is now worse

[modest bay]

what is the mu like against rainbow dk?

i only played against one but lost

they have a lot of tempo

[wanton walrus]

Ur favored VS everything except warrior slightly and paladin when they go first

[wind relic]

the only good play rainbow has is freezing your face with a weapon

if can’t break your weapon you won’t get a discounted shopper

[slender glacier]

Just saw a Shooper DH playing this lol

Infinite Red Cards for Mag or enemy minions

There are some merits I guess because you run Haywire and you have a lot of opportunities to face tank

But it is pretty funny

[wind relic]

i’m not playing 4 mana 4/4 with conditions

no way

[rigid chasm]

You would have to cut ball hog

[spice hemlock]

Which is a good position to be in seeing as he's the safest craft I've ever seen in my entire life

[calm ledge]

Ball hog isn’t great if you want to run something hipster like sheriff or ccg

Those aren’t better, but shouldn’t matter too much

[slender glacier]

Pretty sure Sheriff is just a meme

But I've cut Ball Hog for a while now

[spice hemlock]

I've liked ball hog purely as a way to make it more difficult for people trying to race you

You'd prefer to do other things, but sometimes you need the life and the only way to get a lot of it is shopping an eye of shadow

[rigid chasm]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Cycle DH
# Cost: 6600
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (0) Snowflipper Penguin
# 🟨 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜ 2x (1) Crimson Sigil Runner
# ⬜ 2x (1) Drone Deconstructor
# ⬜ 2x (1) Frequency Oscillator
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Blind Box
# 🟦 2x (2) Cult Neophyte
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (3) Gaslight Gatekeeper
# ⬜ 2x (3) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# 🟨 1x (6) Harth Stonebrew
# 🟪 2x (10) Sea Giant
# 🟪 2x (20) Playhouse Giant
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11318094

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11318094

[rigid chasm]

Just having some fun with giants, ignore me

[spice hemlock]

I've actually been curious myself about trying to make a giant DH deck

[balmy badge]

I’ve had some clutch plays with ball hog where it gave me lethal from hitting face when the enemy has taunts up but that’s very rare.

I’ve used meta and ball hog for lethal as well

[balmy badge]

I’ve been thinking the same. Could be fun. I’ve been having fun with shuffle rogue. Giants are just pure fun

[slender glacier]

Hog seems pretty bad in stats. Seems like Hog's not really direct dmg/mana ratio isn't good for a a deck that doesn't value lifesteal that much

[balmy badge]

It’s just a filler card. I wouldn’t say it’s a one of the best but it definitely can come in handy.

[slender glacier]

There are probably better options, is all I'm saying

[serene apex]

What about squeezing Shopper into an outcast shell? Is there enough of that archetype that didn’t rotate?

Ah. Too many weapons, right?

[wind relic]

no free rusher

[serene apex]

And you want to play Glaivetar but can’t

[wind relic]

and u always want graps

[serene apex]

Yup

Shit

It’s a shame that Halveria’s basically a dead card then

Man there’s nothing else to do with this set of cards is there

[balmy badge]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 12520
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Frequency Oscillator
# ⬜ 1x (1) Miracle Salesman
# 🟪 2x (1) Red Card
# 🟦 2x (2) Cult Neophyte
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
# 🟦 2x (2) Spirit of the Team
# ⬜ 2x (3) Umpire's Grasp
# ⬜ 2x (4) Ball Hog
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Kayn Sunfury
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# 🟦 2x (4) Raging Felscreamer
# 🟨 1x (4) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (2) Haywire Module
# ⬜   1x (2) Power Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟨 1x (5) Leeroy Jenkins
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11319013

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/11319013

[balmy badge]

I’ve been playing this variant. Went from 14k legend to 7501 now. I focus on being as aggressive as I possibly can. I really like the reach kayn and Leeroy provide.

Edit: at 3992 now with this deck only

[balmy badge]

There probably is, you’re right.

[wind relic]

without shopper/grasp dh would be probably deadge this exp

[balmy badge]

I’m afraid they’re gonna nerf it after paladin and hunter and we’re gonna be dead again

[spare needle]

Its a fun deck when shopper doesnt give you trash demons

[spare needle]

Let me try running wolf and argus. Maybe I wont be as sad when shopper bricks

[serene apex]

Yeah any nerf would essentially delete the deck and the class

[serene apex]

I’m also searching for a comeback package but can’t figure it out

[spare needle]

I get variance is apart of the game and I wont always high roll a good demon.

But the deck feels kind of dead if the first two shoppers brick with bad demons

[serene apex]

Yup you’re toast

Sometimes you can salvage with weapon damage

I don’t now if it’s correct but I’ve started picking Tough Crowd off the 1/1 if there are no other choices to bounce it and try again

It’s won me some games, 3k legend currently

[spare needle]

Which raises the question of just running two brew masters since you have to bounce the 1 mana shopper anyway. Because its useless if you dont hit mag because a 1/1 inquisitor sucks

[serene apex]

Yup

Sometimes I’ll take the secrets guy

[lucid grove]

The secret guy is great from the big one

[balmy badge]

I’ve climbed to 3900 for the first time with that aggro shopper deck

Red card is actually good

[spare needle]

We did it

Best deck in the game come patch

[wind relic]

i think i lowkey abandon the deck lol

if it becomes the meta tyrant

[spare needle]

📈📈📈📈

[modest bay]

when was the last time Zach despised a deck as much as this

just saw his comments in other channels

now I feel personally attacked for loving this deck lol

[slender glacier]

Like, a couple of weeks ago?

He felt somewhat similar to Naga DH

[calm ledge]

pretty much always dumping on control priest

[spare isle]

daily

[cosmic zinc]

Well it’s a Barnes scam deck. Think if you like Jambre decks of DH/Druid/DR rogue you’d like shopper

[cosmic zinc]

Are we back?
Big Shopper DH
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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 9660
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (3) Hot Coals
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# 🟦 1x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# ⬜ 2x (4) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Marin the Manager
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (9) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (4) Virus Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14567423

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14567423

[spice hemlock]

YES

WE ARE SO FUCKIN BACK

envoy of prosperity is so good for us

these priest cards are amazing

we are Big DHing again for sure, in some form

@calm ledge

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-get-in-here-grim-patron-gif-26273450

[cosmic zinc]

Yeah only thing with that is just hoping peddler discount doesn’t hit it

[lucid grove]

huh what are you guys trying to achieve

repeat discounts?

[cosmic zinc]

I've made two lists. Green Rag Big DH and Big Shopper DH

and yeah, repeat 6 mana discount

[spice hemlock]

this is an aggro version

argunite golem = job shadower

which isnt in the builder yet for some reason

picture pick/spirit t2, t3 job shadower or rush the stage, t4 raging felscreamer, t5 inquisitors or spirit peddlers

[calm ledge]

True story, lost to photon playing big DH earlier this week

Cliff dive with two rags and a mag on the deck

The rest was spells and weapons

Honestly I’m kind of holding out for either an ATV or grappling hook buff

[cosmic zinc]

this is my non shopper version atm:
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[wheat stirrup]

### Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5760
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Acupuncture
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# ⬜ 2x (3) Hot Coals
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# 🟦 2x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟨 1x (6) Gnomelia, S.A.F.E. Pilot
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Marin the Manager
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14570031

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14570031

[cosmic zinc]

it would be cool to fit in grappling hook

but i guess you need a pirate on board

0 mana Gnomelia + Argus is Reno

or 6 mana Gnomelia 1 mana Argus

[cosmic zinc]

Also gnomelia almost full clears a wave of water eles

[cosmic zinc]

unless the neutrals add some good expensive minion going with this first for Big Shopper DH

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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 9660
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (3) Hot Coals
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# 🟦 1x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# ⬜ 2x (4) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Marin the Manager
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (9) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (4) Virus Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14567423

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14567423

[cosmic zinc]

Rush the stage on 3 means unkilliax possible on 6

which we can keep rezzing

yogg is funny with RIP cause we can MC our opponents big minion

[calm ledge]

Rush is a pretty interesting way of cheating out something big

[spice hemlock]

Honestly, one of the big problems with peddler is gonna be that it's sometimes gonna lack things to rush into and die

[atomic edge]

i'm tempted to try a version without shopper package but with cliff dive

[cosmic zinc]

I'm not sure about cliff dive since peddler will be hard to kill, but non shopper I think can work with a more burn list that rezes Green Rag

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[wheat stirrup]

### Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5760
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Acupuncture
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Quick Pick
# ⬜ 2x (3) Hot Coals
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# 🟦 2x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟨 1x (6) Gnomelia, S.A.F.E. Pilot
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Marin the Manager
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14570031

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14570031

[cosmic zinc]

Maybe the new fel spell is worth to help kill it off

Deals 4 dmg

[spice hemlock]

Targeting our own stuff sounds sus

But maybe

Oh wait

The new cube!

That could work

Maybe

[cosmic zinc]

Cube or kraken maybe

[atomic edge]

infinite mana tho

but yeah legit, there aren’t that many 6+ attack threats in meta lol

more like wide boards with all less attack

[spice hemlock]

i do hope this actually works out

might be awkward or a card short or something

but at least theres finally a coherent big DH strategy again

oh you know something thats really really awesome

return policy is a DR card played, not one that died

so its resistant to transforms

[cosmic zinc]

And poofs

My biggest concern with big dh especially the green rag one is there will be so many BSM with tsunami

[cosmic zinc]

okay heres another list:
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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 6560
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Acupuncture
# ⬜ 2x (1) Burning Heart
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (3) Hot Coals
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# 🟦 2x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Metamorphosis
# ⬜ 2x (4) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14619547

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14619547

[spice hemlock]

This looks sexy

[cosmic zinc]

okay i dont think

this is playable

with how much BSM there are

wasnt able to even test it against a non mage

[spice hemlock]

say it aint so

[atomic edge]

we can’t tech even
dh too based for tech cards

[rotund salmon]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Demon Hunter
# Cost: 5800
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (1) Illidan's Gift
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Oasis Outlaws
# 🟦 2x (2) Demonic Deal
# ⬜ 2x (2) Pocket Sand
# ⬜ 2x (2) Sigil of Skydiving
# ⬜ 2x (2) Umberwing
# 🟦 2x (3) Load the Chamber
# ⬜ 2x (3) Sigil of Time
# 🟦 2x (4) Dangerous Cliffside
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟪 2x (6) Cliff Dive
# 🟪 2x (6) Climbing Hook
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (2) Haywire Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# 🟦 2x (8) Illidari Inquisitor
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14644569

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14644569

[rotund salmon]

very raw list

but here's something to ignite big dh possibly

feel free to suggest any improvements

[clear spade]

I played against a big dh today and they pulled kologarn and yogg off cliff diving, so I think they go in for sure

[rotund salmon]

nah but less minions means more 8 dmg go face

[clear spade]

I also think you add arana tourist for access to RIP

[rotund salmon]

I'd rather end games quicker by sending 8 dmg face

hence no kologan and yogg

ok maybe one of kologan and yogg cause i just got unkilliaxed lmao

[clear spade]

yeah and as much as I love inquisitor, good luck actually hitting face with it vs big spell mage

You're gonna be frozen the whole game

[rotund salmon]

lmao

u right

one issue I'm coming across is when I just don't draw cliff dive or hook

hmmmmm

[clear spade]

oh I just noticed the climbing hook

yeah thats not a real card

just run umpires grasp to tutor peddler and shopper

[cosmic zinc]

Yeah I tried big dh yesterday and got frozen so much

I think if BSM playrate drops it could be viable

[grim owl]

I had tried the location that copies damaged minions (similar to what big shaman was doing with muck pools) to get extra inquisitors for subsequent turns after cliff diving. But I struggled to figure out any semblance of an early game or way to cheat things out earlier...

[lucid grove]

cliff dive murders early game

[rotund salmon]

Yep… and DH doesn’t have many low cost non-minion cards that summon minions

[frigid coyote]

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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 8360
# Format: Standard
# 🟦 2x (0) Through Fel and Flames
# ⬜ 2x (1) Miracle Salesman
# ⬜ 2x (2) Chaos Strike
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 1x (2) Immolation Aura
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Sigil of Skydiving
# 🟦 2x (3) Paraglide
# 🟦 2x (3) Rest in Peace
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# ⬜ 2x (4) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟨 1x (5) Aranna, Thrill Seeker
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (7) Marin the Manager
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (9) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (4) Virus Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14658532

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14658532

[frigid coyote]

non-cliff dive dh idea

[spare needle]

Guys/gals, are we just running pirate DH until the BSM nerfs next week? Then try big DH

[spice hemlock]

ive been having plenty of success v BSM with pain DH

its been quite fun too

[atomic edge]

have you made any edits to your list?

[spice hemlock]

not yet, didnt have much time to play yesterday so i didnt do much iteration on anything

[spice hemlock]

apparently jambre is playing this

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[wheat stirrup]

### Shopper DH
# Cost: 9940
# Format: Standard
# ⬜ 2x (1) Illidari Studies
# ⬜ 2x (1) Taste of Chaos
# 🟦 2x (2) Demonic Deal
# ⬜ 2x (2) Greedy Partner
# ⬜ 2x (2) Instrument Tech
# ⬜ 2x (2) Sigil of Skydiving
# 🟦 2x (2) Spirit of the Team
# ⬜ 2x (3) Return Policy
# 🟦 1x (3) Rush the Stage
# 🟨 1x (4) Going Down Swinging
# 🟨 1x (4) Puppetmaster Dorian
# ⬜ 2x (4) Umpire's Grasp
# 🟪 2x (5) Window Shopper
# ⬜ 2x (6) Midnight Wolf
# ⬜ 2x (6) Spirit Peddler
# 🟨 1x (7) Argus, the Emerald Star
# 🟨 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
# 🟨 1x (9) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
# ⬜   1x (4) Twin Module
# ⬜   1x (5) Perfect Module
# 🟨   1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
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# You can view this deck at https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14653516

https://www.hsguru.com/deck/14653516

[spice hemlock]

which looks sexy to me, even if it is missing inquisitors

[cosmic zinc]

yeah i think his newer list is close to the list i had posted before but with dorian/salesman/1 nightshade tea

i still think with mages its a bit rough

peddler actually would be better with less HP/more attack

like being a 7/4

[lucid grove]

make it 8/5 like chained guardian

[spice hemlock]

for sure

how are people finding demonic deal?

im surprised jambre wants to run it tbh

i guess he's interested in the partner consistency?

[rotund salmon]

there's better 2 drops if you want the partner consistency

there are actually some decent discovers from demonic deal

[spice hemlock]

well, quite

[spice hemlock]

if it was a discover id be more into it

[rotund salmon]

oh cwap

i was thinking of the outcast discover 2

anyways...

yeah that pool is worse

[spice hemlock]

what really confuses me about it is the lack of draw

demonic deal seems like a pretty solid card to me if we're running enough draw

[rotund salmon]

I guess with the popularity of big spell mage

the big spell mage hasn't won yet if you have time to draw

just a really fast meta rn

either you can answer turn 4-6 tsunami

or you lose

[spice hemlock]

im not sure how much i love tech/grasp in this deck tbh

its obviously good in some ways

but in others feels awkward. a lot of things dont line up that nicely, i dislike having tech which can brick a peddler proc, and the redundancy of grasp and peddler feels in conflict rather than concert

maybe the answer is just keep grasp but cut tech

esp without the shopper consistency, tech to insist upon grasp might be less worth it. we still have it for return policy redundance

partner feels pretty good though

[hushed jacinth]

Not shown is warglaives with 4x twin slice for a total of 12 attack. Going down swinging exhausts weapon but allows me to punch Reno druid is the face 5 times with 7 attack.

[[Ci'cigi]] with bartendo bot

[wheat stirrup]

Ci'cigi (Other potential matches)

Ci'Cigi (View card and tokens)

[uneven crest]

They didn't patch warglaives but only multistrike for that interaction?

[lucid grove]

Yes

And I guess the wording is slightly different between them

[[Multi strike]]

[wheat stirrup]

Multi strike (Other potential matches)

Multi-Strike (View card and tokens)

[lucid grove]

[[warglaives of azzinoth]]

[wheat stirrup]

warglaives of azzinoth (Other potential matches)

Warglaives of Azzinoth (View card and tokens)

[uneven crest]

Wording really doesn't matter tbh, unless they are THAT consistent with wording