I mean, Doug Ford is prettttyy dumb
#Serious
jagged birch
Especially for a country with a floudering population that relies heavily on importing talent because of it
sleek geyser
I mean, Canada is just in a weird political identity crisis
The opinions that popped up during Andrew Sheer’s campaign are still around
And they’re only getting worse
jagged birch
Makes me miss Jack Layton even more.
sleek geyser
And given how massive Canada’s Ukranian population is, the Canadian government certainly can’t ignore this
I can’t wait for it to become a shit show
jagged birch
Didn't Russia already violate Canadas airspace since yesterday?
sleek geyser
Wouldn’t shock me
sleek geyser
I’ve been too busy writing a paper about Ukraine that was given out BEFORE they were invaded
So I have to look at scholarly articles from 3 weeks ago
jagged birch
Did you start the paper with your main character in a bomb shelter, narrating the rhetorical: "You're probably wondering how I got here..."?
With The Who playing in the background
"Whooooooooo are you"
I had to explain the value and importance of the UN despite itself, to my senior mother who is now enraged
At pretty much everything russia
sleek geyser
Lmao, that’s actually hilarious if incredibly morbid
jagged birch
"Yep. It's political theater...but it helps in spite of being a toothless granny. Now you know who to not invite to the christmas dinner party"
sleek geyser
I mean, my politics proff pretty much knee exactly how Russia was going to go in
A week before the invasion he explained it perfectly
Like, what he said, word for word, is how it happened
jagged birch
Is your politics professor named Isaac Asimov?
He was prophetic in that way
Noam Chomsky has an intimate understanding of politics like that, too
sleek geyser
On the day of the closing ceremonies of the olympics, while the world wouldn’t be paying attention, Russian soldiers would follow un-flagged mercenaries into Ukrainian territory
However, because it’s a pandemic year and generally low-viewer olympics, and the Ukraine being far more high-profile than Crimea, people would actually give a shit this time
He predicted it to a goddamn tee
sleek geyser
He also predicted every single war crime russia was going to commit
Including but not limited to:
Not providing a jus pre bello
Attacking power plants
Attacking hospitals
Attacking airports
Attacking schools
jagged birch
not done yet
sleek geyser
My politics proff, one Mr. Andrew Basso, is a genius… And that’s honestly horrifying
jagged birch
Still haven't dropped chemical bombs yet
sleek geyser
I mean, it’s just weird, all the course content for this semester was following a “buildup to war”
And now the war is actually happening
jagged birch
When I was in college all of my course work was following a "response to a pandemic", with studies on health sciences, anthropology, ecology and psychology. It was so well tuned for this world, it felt scary.
Like someone armed us for a nightmare
sleek geyser
It’s almost as if people with doctorates know exactly how things are gonna play out years in advance
But no one listens for some reason
Like, given how spot on Dr. Basso’s predictions were in my mid-tier university, imagine what someone from like, U of T could have come up with
And how that information could have been used preventatively
And now Canada is scrambling to sanction Russia in the most benign ways possible as a response
“No more Russian players in the OHL, that’ll show them”
jagged birch
Depends on who. I will never listen to Jordan Peterson without feeling disgust with him as a human
sleek geyser
Oh, yeah, Jordan Peterson is just a cynic/contrarian
Probably a ton of fun at parties
My Laurier proffs mock him constantly
jagged birch
He makes me feel sorry for higher education.
He's not stupid.
Which makes me even sadder
Tells me he knows what he's doing.
...and either he is worse than he portrays or deluded.
sleek geyser
I mean, he’s not dumb by any means
What he says makes sense
If you’re a privileged white teen in the suburbs
Like, if you’re from Oakville, he makes a lotta sense
jagged birch
ugh. Had to shake my head. Just looking up info with Peterson on it feels like hate scrolling
sleek geyser
I didn’t know he was from Edmonton
How him and Jerome Iginla grew up 2km from each other is insane
jagged birch
Did you know he thinks the bible is the first book that ever existed?
sleek geyser
Of course he does
Of fucking course he does
He’s the Canadian Ben Shapiro
A man who is smart, but lives in a fantasy reality where everyone is rich and white
jagged birch
I had to stop listening to his spiel. I was feeling ill with hatred.
sleek geyser
I tolerate Jordan Peterson, I tolerate him because I feel like he doesn’t even believe half the shit he says
jagged birch
Joe Rogan gave him a platform to spew his verbal diarrhea
sleek geyser
Like, some of his takes are so absurd, I swear he thinks of them the night before based on how much media attention it’ll get
Grade 12 philosophy class, my teacher worshipped Rogan and Peterson
“Modern day Machiavellis”
jagged birch
Machiavelli was a sociopath though, no?
jagged birch
Calculating to what end
sleek geyser
He basically wrote the book on modern day statecraft
It’s Nietzsche who was a nihilistic bastard
Although I like his takes on religion
jagged birch
If the end is power, that's the same ends as sociopathy
sick sleet
looks back into this tab and sees a lot of unepected red
sleek geyser
Machiavelli was largely villainized by the Pope at the time
As well as the Medici family, who controlled the pope
Which is ironic, given The Prince was dedicated to the Medicis
sick sleet
@sleek geyser you mean, like, its possible to read Ayn Rand without turning into a sociopathic turdpile instantly?!
sleek geyser
While I don’t agree with a lot of The Prince’s takes, it not extreme at all and is pretty objective
sleek geyser
<@!221812292868636672> you mean, like, its possible to read Ayn Rand without tur...
Yeah basically lol
I liked The Prince a lot
jagged birch
Why ironic? Didn't the prince promote power to an individual that was higher than worshipping religion?
sleek geyser
Not at all
It was basically just a guide on how to hold onto power, and the three ways people might come into power
There’s an entire chapter on how to give back to your people
It was mainly dedicated to the Medici heir, so he’d read it and not turn into a maniacal dictator
sick sleet
@jagged birch there is also this consideration when reading books:
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale
Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus
jagged birch
True
sick sleet
and there is also the whole "when we are reading books written long before we were born, we shouldnt personally blame the author if some of their ideas are based in the context they grew up in, even if our context is different" thing.
jagged birch
I don't think anyone's about to push book burning
sleek geyser
Depends on the severity of what they support
jagged birch
Nevermind
sleek geyser
Like, slavery was still fucked up back in 1700
So pro slavery writings from that period should at least be like, not celebrated
Not book burning
Just, education on why certain things haven’t held up
Or context around the time period
jagged birch
It does not help that there's so much information, one might covet a subject matter and brain wash an entire generation to covet one version of truth over another.
sick sleet
agree on that. but, lets say, "gone with the wind" can be appreciated as a book, even if we all agree some parts of its context are not desirable to bring back.
jagged birch
I like the alphabet, but some words I won't write.
Not because I can't. Because I choose not to.
That choice though must come from an individual and not peer pressure, else it's a false decision
One that breeds contempt for censorship
sick sleet
or a more recent example ... i enjoy most books by Heinlein. if you think "Starship Troopers" glorifies fascism, from my pov you miss about every point the book tries to make.
jagged birch
The one with john travolta?
sick sleet
if there is a related movie involving travolta, i think i missed it. 😅
jagged birch
Ah nevermind that was battlefield earth
I don't know if Russia is going to remain as large as it is, the way things are going
Kind of surprised to have not already heard of regional fracturing
sick sleet
if that happens, i wish/hope (but doubt) it will go the czech/slovak way.
jagged birch
Why would you want it to divide on those grounds?
Or are you referring to the division in czechoslovakia?
sick sleet
yes, that.
as in, "country" deciding it wants to be two countries instead, and that going through pretty much entirely peaceful.
jagged birch
and it only took the collapse of the USSR to get there
sick sleet
it still worked out a whole lot better than the complete clusterintimation formerly known as yugoslavia.
jagged birch
Didn't Yugoslavia though have religious divisions?
sleek geyser
was that not why the country ended? Religious civil war?
sick sleet
i dont even know why czechoslovakia decided to go their separate ways. but "religious differences" seems like a bloody bad reason to kill a lot of people. in particular if they are your neighbours for a long time.
jagged birch
My point being, I don't know how much of russia is super orthodoxed anymore
Not sure we'd need to worry about religious division making a separation dirtier
liveua back up
dawn quartz
i dont even _know_ why czechoslovakia decided to go their separate ways. but "re...
Also a common one it seems
marble relic
Most recent summary on BBC News
sick sleet
(not pro-ru there, but i am ... not sure it does? there is like a huge gap between "yup, war is terrible, barbaric, in all kinds of way" and what is legally a "war crime".)
that "lots of grads" coming down on the same city yesterday? perhaps. use of cluster munitions on civilian areas? probably. but an individual cruise missile making an, uh, unfortunate landing? thats called war.
timber delta
(not pro-ru there, but i am ... not sure it does? there is like a huge gap betwe...
A missile was shot at a residential building???
Unless it was evacuated
dawn quartz
You'd have to show it was intentional Id wager.
Even under controlled conditions things miss, targets get confused etc.
glass wyvern
That building is in independence square I think it is the government headquarters for the city. I could be mistaken though. I’ll find out
They have shelled civilian areas though, I don’t doubt that. There’s images of small shops and low rise apartment areas torn through.
fierce garden
(students that were previously stopped from passing the border into poland have already managed to get through)
Maersk, big shipping company, temporarily halting shipping routes/sending containers to Russia
fierce garden
we know the decision to let Ukraine in the EU, isn't unanimous among all member states. do we know which ones aren't saying yes?
bold moss
Even if it was, I don't think they'd approve it at this point.
Integration within the EU would bring the rest of Europe into war with Putin.
fierce garden
if it's unanimous, it's approved, i think
bold moss
And IDK about you but I don't wanna go to war c:
fierce garden
i don't, ofc, but the thing is, we're already helping them pretty much in every way possible, we're already sending troops to member states borders with ukraine, right
we're sending them weapons, etc
we're already contributing to the whole thing
bold moss
It's one thing to supply weapons and station troops on borders (specifically NATO members), it's another to be in a full-blown war with Russia.
Fuck, that's scary.
bold moss
The only way Russia is going to stop is if it happens from the inside.
The alternative is World War 3.
And I think Putin has never been in a more precarious position.
fierce garden
sorta like it happened with the US, and the Vietnam conflict
bold moss
Yea, a lot of Cold War proxy wars were fostering revolutions.
bold moss
Baltic states are literally NATO members, Russia
glass wyvern
I think there’s a lot of paranoia there in that statement alone
A lot of paranoia from one man that’s been allowed to seep into the minds of a good number more in an alarming manner
They also need to understand what NATO is I feel.
finite sail
a lot they need to understand
glass wyvern
Yep
finite sail
maybe the russian ppl will rise up? russian revolution with a weakened army and dejected troops. not a bad moment if they want it
bold moss
To be fair, NATO was created with the intent to contain & prevent the spreading of USSR-like communist states (or communist states of any kind, depending on your mileage). The USSR & the Warsaw Pact fell, CSTO is nowhere near the same level. So why hasn't NATO also dissolved or toned down a little, it has actually gotten larger.
War is never just the fault of one side, they're both being intransigent - that doesn't justify Putin's actions at all, I just feel like people are forgetting there's two sides to this story here.
finite sail
intransigent holy crap, you know English as a second language better than i know it as a first
codegenius
glass wyvern
To be fair, NATO was created with the intent to contain & prevent the spreading ...
I don’t disagree, there are always two sides and I don’t disagree that it could be seen as unfair NATO grows but it’s a defence organisation. It’s designed to deter and to try and create peace. I can see how that can lead other nations to be uneasy as there’s always the “but what if they decide to be the aggressor…”
jagged birch
Looks like liveua has DDOS protection up now
Holy shit
Abandoned SAM systems in Ukraine
The loss of these vehicles is going to be felt
Part of the Tor Missile Defense system
It's somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000,000 per vehicle
Brave damn fire department to be operating in a war zone
glass wyvern
Confronting armed Russians and quite peacefully and telling them to go home and leave Mariupol
jagged birch
Russian morale must be shot
Otherwise they would've mowed these people down
Their heart is not in this war
glass wyvern
Also those abandoned TOR-M2. Part of me wants to think it’s been done on purpose because the guys had a conscience and left them intact for the Ukrainians to defend themselves with. I would have thought they would destroy them otherwise even if abandoning their posts
They have been lied to and they are finding out. They were told that the people would welcome them to set them free of their Nazi regime in Kyiv
jagged birch
Like that time they abandoned a fully armed anti tank missile system
SPTRK 9K114 Shturm-S
glass wyvern
They have found out completely it’s a total erosion of the truth by a deluded man
jagged birch
sly vortex
sly vortex
is good
bright barn
pogggerrrsss
sick sleet
O_o ... russian embassy vienna redecorating in unexpected ways ... https://twitter.com/RusBotWien/status/1498579690386341900
dawn quartz
sly vortex
oh no
bold moss
that's a huge bomb, Jesus
quiet oyster
Confirmed as an ammo depot.
bold moss
So scary that you can see the shockwave coming - I'd be ducking as soon as I saw it.
finite sail
arent you supposed to do something specific with a shockwave? like keep your mouth open or somethin
quiet oyster
So they say. Dunno if it's something I'd think of doing if I was in that situation though.
Equalises internal pressure so you don't rupture anything.
sick sleet
with an incoming shockwave, you also should not stand right behind closed windows, or any other large amount of glass, really.
dawn quartz
are those videos legit?
Yeah, I generally won't share anything unless it's been vetted by a couple of sources ftr.
And I've been getting some first hand reports elsewhere, that I won't share because it involves irl troop movements.
Doesn't seem prudent.
finite sail
equalize pressure, dont let yourself get sharded on. all good advice
dawn quartz
Yeah I see lots of people looking at explosions on video, looking through or being near glass.
Common sense is uncommon...
finite sail
gotta capture the shot.
fierce garden
risk injury to capture video proof
dawn quartz
Lol, but even people who are clearly not the ones filming will often be in the shot, right in front of a window or something
finite sail
morbid curiosity
i wonder if sitting by windows during a thunderstorm is as dangerous as my parents led me to believe
sly vortex
And I've been getting some first hand reports elsewhere, that I won't share beca...
😔
unfortunately, if a day comes where all the people of the world are in danger, a large percentage will be holding up their smart phones to film it
or just looking down at their smart phones and won't even notice
finite sail
time to do a livestream reaction to this asteroid my dudes
dawn quartz
Press release from the international court
https://twitter.com/newsmined/status/1498744144654651395?t=W-wfXdhSIZw0gMe6gywRSw&s=19
sick sleet
"The US was right when they said Russia was going to invade. Ukraine was right when they said Russia didn't look reasy to invade."
finite sail
both technically correct, the best kind of correct
sick sleet
Twitter
glass wyvern
This could be the proverbial “get out of jail free” card that some of these guys need
This could be an interesting one to keep an eye on
jagged birch
Yikes
https://twitter.com/Kaveh03004205/status/1498734824831528966?t=818R6s-q2S6...
I hate this watermark bullshit. Is this available without a watermark? This isn't worldstarhiphop
dawn quartz
This could be the proverbial “get out of jail free” card that some of these guys...
Did you see the offer for surrender = 5 mil Rubles + amnesty?
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/02/ukraine-offers-pay-russians-who-surrender-while-pentagon-assesses-moscows-nuke-posture/362538/
jagged birch
That is a strong incentive.
Remember what happened during world war when russian soldiers wanted to desert though
Apparently the russian army has no objection to killing their own
dawn quartz
What Im gathering is they aren't even using encrypted comms on the Russian side, and in fact lots of the stuff is analog civilian grade, subject to jamming and interception.
So people at the front lines often can't even contact their commanders.
I expect that's going to affect morale strongly
This is what happens when the people at the top are stealing all the money meant for equipment upgrades/procurement
jagged birch
They gotta have their gold plated caviar hooker boots.
dawn quartz
Apparently the russian army has no objection to killing their own
Oh no doubt, but when you're already on foreign soil, that's a lot harder for them to accomplish
glass wyvern
Did you see the offer for surrender = 5 mil Rubles + amnesty?
https://www.defens...
I didn’t know the volume of cash but I saw the video of Zelenskiy offering it
jagged birch
They'll get people abandoning their post to sign up for this money and find a jail cell instead
"Why was it easier for you to be lied to about money than it was about secret nazi world orders in Ukraine?"
glass wyvern
I don’t believe so, there’s already been exchanges of captured soldiers
jagged birch
Russians are the butt of so many jokes right now
sick sleet
What Im gathering is they aren't even using encrypted comms on the Russian side,...
they are using baofeng clones, thats as plain radio as it gets. plenty of webSDR instances in UA if you want to listen in on their comms too.
dawn quartz
they are using baofeng clones, thats as plain radio as it gets. _plenty_ of webS...
Yeah I saw lots of stuff is being shared already
Sounds like chaos on the ground
jagged birch
I'm not sure I would characterize it as chaos
At least no more than a shopping mall
sick sleet
Yeah I saw lots of stuff is being shared already
Sounds like chaos on the ground
fun thing? you cant just listen to them, you can broadcast too. they are getting trolled pretty hard.
ram ranch starts playing in the background
dawn quartz
When your soldiers at the front can't even communicate with the commanders in the same formation, and you're getting trolled on top of that
LMAO
glass wyvern
Holy shit that has to be demoralising as fuck
sick sleet
ram ranch?
a song that was used in canada to troll their "karen convoy"
jagged birch
Just play Chum Drum Bedrum before every bomb being dropped on the russians and they'll lose their morale entirely
Scream "I've come to give this song" kaboom
They'll be unable to listen to the song ever again without remembering the explosive response
Psychological war
Especially provocative, given Vitaly is a Ukrainian
glass wyvern
That song is one of the weirdest songs I ever witnessed back in the day
jagged birch
It's very difficult to have a psychological war with so much information readily available.
sick sleet
It's very difficult to have a psychological war with so much information readily...
depends. currently, just the facts are probably pretty psych-devastating for the RU troops
jagged birch
I wonder if Russian government is lying about sanctions
"The rest of the world doesn't care. Don't watch their lying news"
dawn quartz
"The rest of the world doesn't care. Don't watch their lying news"
That's what "the rest of the world" is doing rn lol
Walking out during that nonsense
glass wyvern
Reports of residential areas in Kyiv and Kharkiv being hit hard just now. Suggestions that MLRS is hitting Kharkiv neighbourhoods 😕
sick sleet
Twitter
(thats a russian bank putting additional sanctions on russians...)
"State Duma deputy Alexander Borodai suggested thinking about depriving Russian intellectuals and businessmen of the Russian citizenship who publicly oppose the military operation in Ukraine."
this would go very well combined with the EU offer ...
jagged birch
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1498744441519149058
It's ironic for Russia to criminalize disinformation, given their history
sick sleet
jagged birch
Hell. Their foreign policy officially endorses disinformation campaigns
sick sleet
sick sleet
jagged birch
Is a hedgehog a pig?
Ooooh I see.
The tank busters
I think they got that barrier in the wrong position
It looks to be on its side
dawn quartz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_hedgehog
Pretty impressive that there are still lots of those around from WWII
jagged birch
The independent cross beam should be on the ground to help prop the X shape
dawn quartz
It rests on a triangle no matter which way it faces
dawn quartz
I used to see them in the forests in DK all the time
jagged birch
It's an interesting if not ingenius little invention for stopping tanks
sick sleet
oh joy ... german and french subtitles ... https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/104351-002-A/diener-des-volkes-1-23/
(and i didnt know he also directed the friggen thing... )
finite sail
pretty rough picture up in r/pics
sick sleet
yeah, that url has some serious ... percentages. i am sorry about that.
and while i am aware its not entirely on-topic for current events, it still seemed an ... aeh ... interesting datapoint about who that person is.
verbal shadow
being that this is serious tho. not sure how appropriate this is for this thread anyway
sick sleet
yeah. not sure either. otoh, "who is zelensky" seems relevant to the currently-ongoing situation? i didnt know much anything about the guy until a few days ago.
(then you should zap the other one too)
verbal shadow
oh joy ... german and french subtitles ... https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/104351-...
this one?
sick sleet
yeah.
verbal shadow
i can't view it
sick sleet
thats a TV show where zelensky is playing a history teacher who rants to a coworker about the corruption in ukrainian politics, a student films that without him knowing, the video goes viral, and history teacher is elected president. 😄
(also avail on youtube with english subtitles, it seems. "servant of the people".)
verbal shadow
thats a TV show where zelensky is playing a history teacher who rants to a cowor...
so he was in it? seems like a really cool guy. but i'll yank it if it's comedy, cuz we do want to stick to serious topics here
sick sleet
so he was in it? seems like a really cool guy. ~~but i'll yank it if it's comedy...
he has a law degree. then was a comedian. with that show. and then actualy was elected. using the party name from the comedy show.
the guy is just mindboggling, really.
verbal shadow
he has a law degree. then was a comedian. with that show. and then actualy was e...
that's impressive. wish i can watch it. maybe i should vpn lol
sick sleet
as said, avail on youtube, using the search string above.
ARTE is a major european TV channel, cooperation between french and german, usualy doing documentations, but also lots of "art" content (its even in the name).
sick sleet
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498736116358426633
they are really not taking prisoners on that one ... https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498741290002956294
jagged birch
They should not be leaking SSL certificates and client information.
I lose sympathy for victims when self righteous hackers start attacking and making new victims.
I mean, there's a reason sanctions were put in place and assets were frozen of specific individuals
So that poor joe shmoe doesn't get roped any more than he is
Making russians desperate and angry...not the wisest course of events
and before someone pipes up with some argument that not doing this is the same as doing nothing, fuck that noise.
How we win is as important as winning.
sick sleet
note ssl certificates are public information. and they didnt leak client data. 😉
jagged birch
Private keys for SSL aren't public
Otherwise they wouldn't be called private
Worst case scenario, the bank resets everyone's passwords on their end
So it slows things down
sick sleet
note that keys != certificates.
releasing their keys has from my pov mainly symbolic relevance: we were in very deep. it has very little practical relevance, in particular for the users.
(technically, you can do about two things with that: a) you could decrypt older intercepted communications secured with that ssl key IFF outdated ssl protocols were used and b) if you are in a position to mitm ongoing connections, you could mitm these even if non-outdated protocols are used until b2) the bank does what it has to do now, create a new key and get a new cert.)
jagged birch
Are authenticators unique to regions or is there some primary authentication method everyone subscribes to?
sick sleet
HOTP/TOTP (aka "google authenticator") are pretty universal
in my exp not used by banks though.
totp/hotp are what "everyone" uses for 2fa/mfa in general. very simple to make, very good protection within certain limitations, very little you can do wrong when building it.
its not suitable for a bank usecase though, because ... you really need to know what transaction you are authorizing there. for every. single. one.
if i am using 2fa (standard hotp, with a needlessly small secret) to log into my discord account, thats pretty clear what i am authorizing: logging into my discord account or making certain changes to my discord account.
for the bank usecase, the details matter though, a lot. as in, if i am authorizing a transfer, the destination for the transfer and the amount NEED to be part of the 2fa handshake.
and there is no universal standard i am aware of for that. this is why i have three different weird bank-specific apps on my auth phone.
they all work kinda the same, because they have to comply with the same banking-industry standards. but still very bank/group specific. compared to totp/hotp, which everyone can re-create from scratch with three lines of commands in a shell.
jagged birch
A command line interface?
sick sleet
for totp/hotp? very much, yes. its just hash(counter+secret). and for totp the counter is the current time. and then you chop off the last few digits of that.
(yes, yes, pesky details. its probably hmac instead of a straight hash. the point is its all really basic tech used in a clever way that is reasonably hard to get wrong.)
dawn quartz
Twitter
sick sleet
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498819647822606336?t=yVNflMK8x2WsBEIcc_ygJQ&...
well, i guess that means within a few hours we will know whether putin is still in charge? have any of these "local government bodies" alread by been found after unfortunate accidents?
velvet sorrel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVIXLQrC9rE&list=PLbpi6ZahtOH5Jes0UJveoC8v3CWzIXOCF&index=2 in case anyone wants to watch
starting now
sick sleet
note the guy firing his assault rifle at least two times, then hiding in his vehicle. and the people being entirely unimpressed.
i dont think we have enough stored up balls-of-steel awards for the UA/RU population.
bold moss
Interesting, sounds like they're saying very close to the Portuguese word "ocupante" - can see why people have thought I was from some sort of Eastern European country before.
sick sleet
them pushing against that monstertruck is of course technically completely futile, but it also sends a very strong message to the people inside.
bold moss
Anyway, yea takes balls - Putin winning is less a matter or if but a matter of when, no way he's holding on to Ukraine in any capacity though. They're gonna resist all the way through.
And if he takes Zelensky out of the picture (I mean kill), then he makes a martyr and that's even worse for him.
sick sleet
i intentionally wrote UA/RU above, because its UA citizens in this clip, but the ones protesting in RU or belarus have about as big ones.
(and afaik that convoy ended up turning around and/or (mor humiliating) driving backwards, because the only way going forward would have been a realtime-tiktoked massacre...)
sick sleet
afair that wasnt on the chart until thursday, but ...
dear vlad, yes, you are entirely correct, that is like the main point there. https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498377982771359745
sick sleet
german nazis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_III._Path) traveling to ukraine via hungary (!!!) to fight with the azovs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion) against the russians ... i ... dont even know where to start on that one.
glass wyvern
Well I guess now Putin won’t be lying about fighting Nazis now then. I heard similar the other day, not just Germany but many far-right groups from across the world.
sleek river
MasterCard just cut em off @sick sleet
dawn quartz
Well I guess now Putin won’t be lying about fighting Nazis now then. I heard sim...
Fighting nazis with nazis even
😁
glass wyvern
The mind boggles
sick sleet
ukrainian anti-corruption authority clarified that captured russian tanks and other equipment dont have to be declared as part of peoples income-tax paperwork...
finite sail
i wonder if a tank could be good farming equipment
sick sleet
you mean thats why that farmer stole one?
finite sail
stole or acquired?
but yeah i figured theyd have some use, pulling equipment or tilling up fields
sleek river
@sick sleet Russians can't buy games anymore
quiet oyster
Georgia is submitting a bid tomorrow to join EU.
I know folk didn't fully trust Russia but current events is certainly proving how little people do actually trust them.
sleek river
I know folk didn't fully trust Russia but current events is certainly proving ho...
We never trusted them
We are currently taking a near neutral stance
We'll get steamrolled if Russia invades
sleek river
Nah , we have our own
quiet oyster
I thought so. Excuse my ignorance.
sleek river
Np
sick sleet
"Ukraine's Defense Ministry says Russian mothers can pick up their POW's sons from Kiev. If they are physically picked up by their own mother, they are free to go. There are buses waiting for the mothers at the Polish border."
quiet oyster
I really like this approach.
I saw a video earlier today where Ukranian's were feeding and giving tea to a Russian soldier who surrendered.
sick sleet
that lukashenko map thing is ... 🤦
dawn quartz
The sum of all of those kinds of things, from that, the radios, to the lack of rations/fuel...
What a shitshow.
sick sleet
(but the map thing also seems to confirm my prediction about moldova from last week...)
dawn quartz
I mean I get what a chore it must be to organize something of that scale, but damn
Clearly the people at the top are out of touch if not straight delusional
dawn quartz
Judge pistol with 410 shotgun round, yeehaw!
dawn quartz
<@375009123189915658> what kind of timeline we living in?
Hey Joe, wdym?
sleek river
Hey Joe, wdym?
Look who tweeted
dawn quartz
Yeah I was just reading that lol
glass wyvern
This, if true, is mildly alarming: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/us/politics/russia-ukraine-china.html
I’m never 100% on the stock I put in the big rags though
bright barn
are the olympics still going on?
glass wyvern
No they finished a few days before the invasion
bright barn
ah ok i thought they were done
glass wyvern
Yeah they are. The para-winters are about to start though
bright barn
barely even watched the normal olympics this year
glass wyvern
Yeah same
jagged birch
Why am I not seeing any updates on liveua the last 17 hrs
sleek river
Why am I not seeing any updates on liveua the last 17 hrs
Problem with scrapping I guess
jagged birch
sleek river
If he'd return , he'd be probably treated as a traitor
jagged birch
War makes enemies of us all.
sleek river
Mumbles are you a philosophy graduate?
sick sleet
ukraine is really playing a numbers game at this point. russia announced that if a soldier gets killed in UA, their family gets paid ~100eur. ukraine announced that if a RU soldier surrenders without having done anything really terrible personally, they get ~40k EUR and wont be charged.
jagged birch
It's more than a numbers game
They're saving the hearts and minds to preserve a future that does not breed contempt
bright barn
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1499060828817043474?cxt=HHwWpMC95bT43c0...
bunch of comments said posting this video was illegal
jagged birch
Illegal in what country?
jagged birch
Explain the illegality...Were the comments on the video?
sick sleet
@jagged birch its an "you are not supposed to use POWs for your propaganda videos" thing.
bright barn
they just said a country cannot use a prisoner of war for publicity, which because it's just some people posting it, it probably doesn't matter
jagged birch
I don't see a single person there using that pow as propaganda.
sick sleet
i dont think "we gave some kid the first food and hot drink he had in days and let him call his mom to say he is ok" will rate very high on the hagues investigation list either.
bright barn
very true
sick sleet
one thing to keep in mind wrt "just some people" ... the moment you actively participate in a war you are no longer considered a civilian, whether you wear a uniform or not. as in, every ukrainian granny preparing molotovs in a basement is technically a combatant.
jagged birch
Show me the article under the geneva convention?
Just read 71 articles of the pow treatment section under the geneva convention and seem to be having reading comprehension issues
bright barn
i got no clue where it'd be, these are just twitter comments
im not educated on the geneva conventions
sick sleet
not me either, and the raw text is ... uh ... worse ... i found this some interesting and more understandable comments on what the point of some of these articles is: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Comment.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=64864A7A2AB7E2F6C12563CD00425C7E
and you can certainly find some aspects in there that raise an eyebrow at this particular video. but again, uh, i doubt its high on the priorities list at the hague.
jagged birch
It even has articles in the geneva convention that explicitly say you are to give pows the ability to contact loved ones
It says letters, but I'd say a phone call is better
Article 70
Immediately upon capture, or not more than one week after arrival at a camp, even if it is a transit camp, likewise in case of sickness or transfer to hospital or another camp, every prisoner of war shall be enabled to write direct to his family, on the one hand, and to the Central Prisoners of War Agency provided for in Article 123, on the other hand, a card similar, if possible, to the model annexed to the present Convention, informing his relatives of his capture, address and state of health. The said cards shall be forwarded as rapidly as possible and may not be delayed in any manner.
sick sleet
"we tiktoked being nice to a pow" has to be the most canadian "war crime" imaginable.
jagged birch
Unless what you're saying is, that video is staged, the only people calling that propaganda are the Russian government that do not want their front line to lose morale
It's an election year. I wonder if anyone is going to mention how many US senators are getting paid by Russian interest groups
Lobbies with ties to foreign oil and telecoms
The Ukrainian resistance and Russian supply issues with fuel have been slowing movement for days, though the official said the U.S. is now “picking up signs that [Russia is] having problems feeding their troops.”
“Not only are they running out of gas, but they are running out of food,” the official told reporters at the Pentagon.
What kind of asshole command structure doesn't provide soldiers with at least three days worth of MREs and rotate their supplies to keep it up?
That's just a shitty military
sleek river
What kind of asshole command structure doesn't provide soldiers with at least th...
Russian
jagged birch
Report coming from Zhytomyr, air sirens going off
Explosions in kyiv
Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after attacks on civilian population they will be no longer taken as POWs
I'm pretty sure take no prisoners is a war crime
Not saying that shelling civilians isn't, but responding in kind does escalate things.
Twitter
Romanian MoD reported the IAR 330 went down 11km fro the airfield. The MiG-21 pilot had reported bad weather & received orders to return to base
sick sleet
I'm pretty sure take no prisoners is a war crime
there is a lot of entirely legal wiggle room in that one though. like, if you wipe that artillery-battery with counter-arty, a bomb or three, or a drone ... well ... yeah, thats not gonna take any prisoners.
the ukrainians already pulled some really scary/unexpected ones. like wiping out a good chunk of kadyrovs chechen troops? those are like the uruk-hai of russian troops.
jagged birch
I wonder how secure the strait is blocking traffic into and out of the black sea
I mean...I wonder if they're blocking subs too
Russia could sit a sub right on the coast of the united states and go undetected
elfin frost
Russian are having a lot of loss too
Feel like russian as loosing more than ukraine right now
elfin frost
Russia could sit a sub right on the coast of the united states and go undetected
There probably almost always one
jagged birch
The ability to fire a nuclear warhead into the heart of America at any time
I mean it wouldn't likely make it to there but still
elfin frost
The ability to fire a nuclear warhead into the heart of America at any time
But if one shoot the other we all fuckt anyway soo
jagged birch
I dunno. If russia fired and it failed, America would probably give them one chance to stand down
elfin frost
Omniside
jagged birch
Mutually assured destruction is something nihilists believe in.
elfin frost
I do believe in it
sick sleet
I dunno. If russia fired and it failed, America would probably give them one cha...
not really. since you dont know whether it failed until it hits, you fire as soon as you are reasonably sure the other fired.
jagged birch
That's possible.
I believe people are more complicated then that and the realization that the end could be nuclear annihilation would give the powers that be, pause
sick sleet
(and you can give russians a lot of shit about tech, but they are reasonably good with rockets in general...)
jagged birch
Anyone checked the doomsday clock?
jagged birch
elfin frost
Bet it got closer
jagged birch
Closest it has ever been
Since 1947
The failure of world leaders to deal with the increased threats of nuclear war, such as the end of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) between the United States and Russia as well as increased tensions between the US and Iran, along with the continued neglect of climate change. Announced in units of seconds, instead of minutes; this is the clock's closest approach to midnight, exceeding that of 1953 and 2018. The Bulletin concluded by stating that the current issues causing the adjustment are "the most dangerous situation that humanity has ever faced." In 2021 and 2022, the Bulletin reaffirmed the "100 seconds to midnight" time setting.
sick sleet
marble relic
BBC News
sick sleet
"countries that closed their airspace for russian planes" ... (and if you look at this realistically, that includes switzerland...)
dawn quartz
What kind of asshole command structure doesn't provide soldiers with at least th...
Lol yeah I saw reports of them carrying stuff that expired 7 years ago, back when some of those conscripts were in grade school...
dawn quartz
marble relic
sick sleet
regarding plaintext comms ... https://twitter.com/DenimGopnik/status/1499057640885919744
sick sleet
> Special Operation Forces of Ukraine warns Russian artillerymen, that after att...
Twitter
sick sleet
dawn quartz
Russia tries, and fails to raise a false flag with India
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/no-indian-student-taken-hostage-by-ukraine-forces-indian-govt-458366?UTM_SRC=breakingnews
jagged birch
Russia be all: Hey, India and China sided with us in that office party. Lets lie to them and get them to do stupid shit that drags them into the war on our side
timber delta
yeah even indians didnt believe this aside from some dumb ones
its true that they were stuck at the border for a real long time but who hasnt been
some of them did get beaten up though
fierce garden
dropping bombs on residential buildings, supermarkets isn't demilitarizing
jagged birch
Canada has opened up fast tracking of visas for Ukrainians seeking refugee status in Canada
quiet oyster
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/london-listed-russian-stocks-are-collapsing-with-trading-now-suspended.html
“The FTSE Russell index business has removed Russian listings from its indices, the London Stock Exchange has suspended trading in (27) Russian listed securities,” London Stock Exchange CEO David Schwimmer told CNBC on Thursday.
Russia’s London-listed stocks had lost almost all of their value by the time the suspension was announced on Thursday. Sberbank was down 99.72% year-to-date to trade for around a single penny on Wednesday, while Gazprom was down 93.71%, Lukoil 99.2%, Polyus 95.58%, Rosneft 92.52% and EN+ 20.51%.
😐
jagged birch
Why did they suspend? How can the stock devalue more if they are suspended?
sick sleet
jagged birch
We're about halfway to them losing a decades worth of gains on the MOEX
sick sleet
jagged birch
Fastest drop in over a decade
Even with that drop it's still gaining rapidly, which means some rich assholes are feeding their economy by purchasing the stock at alarming rates
I wish we could see who is purchasing the stock
See what countries at least
Interest rates in Russia about to become painful
I bet Americans are buying Russian stock
The kind of Americans that could lose elections as a result
dawn quartz
I bet Americans are buying Russian stock
Sberbank at $.01 is pretty tempting lmao
Wonder what kind of short sells were going on
😆
jagged birch
Based on volatility, they're probably huge
finite socket
this is pretty historic init
jagged birch
Not in a good way
jagged birch
You're watching the festering of an economic infection that's going to change the economies of every country on earth with investments in oil
I mean, it was going to happen regardless
At least this way the change from oil isn't going to be out of necessity
finite socket
unironically want to go because i miss that feeling. if only i could trade place with some ukrainian that wants no part of it
jagged birch
It will be interesting to see how OPEC responds to Russia
dawn quartz
unironically want to go because i miss that feeling. if only i could trade place...
A couple of people on another server I'm on joined the foreign legion and are in combat already
dawn quartz
One is Romanian, the other US iirc
finite socket
also, do you know the feeling i'm describing?
these situations attract me man, must be something seriously wrong with me lol
dawn quartz
I suppose it depends on your reasons for wanting to go.
We have nazis on both sides for example.
jagged birch
Don't believe any stories about Nazis on either side. There are white supremacists all over the world and everyone wants to paint the other side black to prop these detestable people up to justify what's likely going to be an attempt to curry favor
It doesn't matter how many who what white nationalists are where. Shit doesn't smell better dressed in black.
finite socket
well i couldn't really care less about any of that stuff anyway
it's a clusterfuck of bias and dumb politics im not interested in
it's not good for the mind to worry about
jagged birch
It just bugs me when people in positions of power start throwing around blanket associations with their enemies that dehumanize them. Russia and Ukraine are both doing it now, though to different degrees and in large part it's people with less representative power doing it so that the higher ups never are held accountable for their ignorant remarks.
finite socket
i agree with you
jagged birch
This happened in ww2 as well
Americans and British troops were killing everyone that was labelled a nazi and they labelled a lot of people who were escaping nazis as nazis just because they spoke german
finite socket
yeah
sick sleet
this is a very ... russian way to boost troop morale ... https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1499395103957434369
Twitter
jagged birch
If you protest the war, you fight in it...That's just stupid. Now you got a military full of ....Oh I see. They want to justify executing them by calling them traitors literally
jagged birch
Not smart at all
In war you have to be able to depend on the soldiers beside you
This will further demoralize the military front that can't trust their own
bright barn
ffffffair
jagged birch
Soldiers depend on each other more than they depend on their command structure
bright barn
i meant good way to shut people up, not a good way to make your military better
jagged birch
Thats why so many are outright quitting
I'm not sure it will work to shut them up, either. It spits in the face of rank and file, while citizens rage.
finite socket
this is a very ... russian way to boost troop morale ... https://twitter.com/Kev...
ok ok listen
you get arrested for protesting, sent to war, and you just desert
what is to stop them from that
free freedom ticket lol
?
jagged birch
and a bullet
jagged birch
They would need to do something to become disqualified before they even get to the front lines or they'd face being executed
finite socket
so many have already deserted
i don't understand the logic in that legislation
kind of half baked
jagged birch
Depends on the goal.
If your goal is to execute protesters without needing to go through the justice system, it works.
finite socket
true
jagged birch
It won't work on the grammas though
I saw an 80+ year old lady protesting in russia getting arrested
sick sleet
Twitter
dawn quartz
Nazis in ukraine and russia?
Look up Azov and Wagner Group
dawn quartz
Don't believe any stories about Nazis on either side. There are white supremacis...
There isn't much debate about Azov and Wagner Group.
Leader of Wagner Group has nazi ss tattos lol
sick sleet
glass wyvern
Sberbank at $.01 is pretty tempting lmao
Sberbank folded in EU and pulled out. The cited the inability to trade and operate along with its staff being threatened… which I find odd, that’s like (to make an example) Czech people threatening Czech people because they work at sberbank…
But, I’m not sure we’ll be seeing the bank back in EU anytime soon. While tempting indeed I don’t think I could bring myself to do it.
dawn quartz
Sberbank folded in EU and pulled out. The cited the inability to trade and opera...
Yeah Im being facetious, and I assume one couldn't even have bought it recently.
I hate how people take it out on individuals...
glass wyvern
Yeah Im being facetious, and I assume one couldn't even have bought it recently....
Don’t worry, I gathered the facetious part 🙂
But I’m not sure if the violence to staff is real, it’s just what I read when I heard they were pulling out the bloc. There was a branch right next to my offices as well, used to withdraw cash out the ATM regularly on my lunch break. That’s about as close as I got to them 😂
On a other note, i got in touch with my Ukrainian friend today. He’s in Kyiv and he’s still ok. Says he’s not going to be leaving, he will stay until the end. I’ve offered him help if he and his family need / want to leave.
dawn quartz
Don’t worry, I gathered the facetious part 🙂
But I’m not sure if the violence ...
$1k is a lot of shares at that price
😁
glass wyvern
Very true
dawn quartz
And that's great news about your friend, very kind offer on your part as well.
glass wyvern
I just want him to know he’s got options at least but I respect his decision
I’m not exactly far away in Prague and my wife’s family in Slovakia could collect him from one border and we get him from the other easy enough
sick sleet
someone pointed out its very much not ok to hate on the mom+pop restaurant selling piroshki over this. (hating on banksters is a different matter though, unrelated to nationality)
finite sail
@bold moss Haas dumped Mazepin, F1 terminated Russian GP contract
tbh im not sure what channel im supposed to post this in, plz delete if ive come to the wrong place
sick sleet
(seems related/ontopic enough to me, really)
marble relic
From a Bloomberg editor
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1499381363010682881?t=DyoucOoxd0RzrLhpWhb2Cg&s=19
sleek river
So Georgia applied to the EU
marble relic
marble relic
Twitter
jagged birch
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1499543775240196099?t=tEas9uBVjeVtOCg55e...
Solution: Shut down the plant. No going nuclear.
jagged birch
They aren't firing at an empty building.
sick sleet
Solution: Shut down the plant. No going nuclear.
this is ... not how nuclear plants work. 😅
jagged birch
Nuclear plants have safety procedures for emergency shut downs.
Being shot at I think qualifies
sick sleet
that is a) a case of "old soviet reactor" (which are super-well-known for their awesome safety features!!!) and b) artillery may have been outside the design scope.
sick sleet
(unlike chernobyl (which was graphite moderated, which is a terrible idea) these are water moderated, so its "only" the same problem level as fukushima. plus artillery.)
these are all 25+ years old, with a design that is 40+ years old.
jagged birch
Based on the reactor design PWR: It can be shut down in 5 seconds
sick sleet
again, thats ... not how radioactive materials work.
jagged birch
sick sleet
you cant just "shut fission down".
jagged birch
PWRs can passively scram the reactor in case offsite power is lost to immediately stop the primary nuclear reaction. The control rods are held by electromagnets and fall by gravity when current is lost; full insertion safely shuts down the primary nuclear reaction.
sick sleet
yeah. that means you only get massive contamination and core melt, but no runaway reaction.
jagged birch
It would be wise to shut down the reactor before its shutdown mechanisms are compromised.
sick sleet
they take months for a controlled shutdown to a passive-secure state. and even then artillery fire is pretty uncool.
jagged birch
Controlled shutdown says 10 hours
sick sleet
to ... what?
jagged birch
From James Spina: former VP Nuclear Plant Operations at Constellation Energy:
My experience is with Pressurized Water Reactors (PWR), and boiling water reactors for commercial and Naval nuclear power. For a shutdown (S/D) initiated by a rapid insertion of the neutron absorbing control rods (mostly Hafnium), 5 seconds is a good answer. A controlled shutdown for planned maintenace activities varies, based upon the time in core life, and when restart is expected, but 6–12 hours is pretty bounding.
By shutdown, I’m assuming you meant the critical chain reaction that was ocurring within the reactor core. Decay heat, which is generated long after the reactor is sub-critical and shutdown, is another story. Decay heat, produced by transuranic and radioactive elements produced in the fission process is significant. Very significant. You cant just “walk away” from a shutdown reactor after power operation is terminated. For most of the very few reactor accidents that have ocurred worldwide, you may be faimilar with, post S/D decay heat was responsible for the damage done to the reactor after it was S/D.
Only one such occurrence of note has happened in the US commercial power industry, and that was the now ”infamous” Three Mile Island (TMI) accident. Reactors are designed with redundant, robust, highly monitored and tested trains capable of removing decay heat. By circulating water through the reactor after S/D, which is how they are cooled post non-accident shutdown as well.
A series of synchronous, redundant events, including human error ocurred which essentially stopped the cooling systems from providing the necessary cooling to the reactor. The same is true for the Fukushima accident in Japan. The vast majority of the Nuclear damage done, was by an inability to cool the reactors post S/D, in an extreme, rare post Tsunami disaster scenario.
These redundant cooling systems require electrical power, though some reactors can receive cooling through the controlled release of steam, eventually, the coolant water will need replenishment. Nuclear stations have robust and redundant electrical supply systems, including self-power ones through on-site, permanent emergency diesel generators. As you can imagine, the havoc wreaked on the Fukushima site by the Tsunami obliterated the electrical infrastructure. The TMI accident/loss of shutdown cooling was not due to loss of electrical power.
As an industry, nuclear power has a proven track record of nuclear and radiological safety. Lessons learned were shared among all owners of nuclear plants in the US, and have been effectively implemented years ago, monitored routinely by the operators of the plant, the NRC, and external oversight agencies. Additionally, lessons learned from Fukushima have been and are being agressively implemented by the US commercial power industry, going well beyond the design bases accidents the plants were designed and licensed to.
sick sleet
that is a fair summary. simplified, but fair. it also says ... even if they did a controlled shutdown, it would still go full fukushima on you if someone (or an artillery shell) interrupted its power supply in the first few months after the shutdown.
the problem there is ... fission creates ... fission products ... lots of them rather active, short-term radioactives on their own. so even if you drop in those control rods (or dump the control boron solution into the water), they keep reacting like crazy, for months. so you have to actively cool them.
jagged birch
Nobody thinks it's wise to fire on a nuclear power plant. I think it's also unwise to keep the plant operational while under fire.
sick sleet
if you dont ... see fukushima. because thats exactly what happened there.
jagged birch
It's clear that the goal of this bombardment is a shutdown
I wonder what happened to those russians "guarding" Chernobyl.
Are they still "guarding" or getting ready to blow it up
Russians acting like terrorists
sick sleet
my point is whether you shut it down or not makes close to no difference. if the "gravity driven control rods" and whatever mechanisms are as good as they claim, no need to shut it down in advance. if the thing gets hit, it wont make a difference at all whether it was shut down 10 minutes, 10 hours, or 10 days before the hit.
jagged birch
Your concern is radioactive leak. Mine is a nuclear meltdown.
dawn quartz
The reactor was already offline for maintenance ftr
jagged birch
Is it?
dawn quartz
Yes
jagged birch
Is this common knowledge?
sick sleet
my technical point is that if you hit it and disable its cooling, it will melt down, even if shut down.
dawn quartz
Read the articles lol
jagged birch
I mean, would russians know this
Because if they know its down and they're firing at it, they're intentionally trying to cause a nuclear accident
sick sleet
@dawn quartz 2/6 reactors were down for maintenance at that site.
jagged birch
A nuclear melt down should imo count in the same vein as firing nuclear weapons at your enemy in war.
A violation of the prohibition against the use of nuclear weapons
dawn quartz
Plant spokesman Andriy Tuz told Ukrainian television that shells were falling directly on the Zaporizhzhia plant and had set fire to one of the facility’s six reactors. That reactor is under renovation and not operating, but there is nuclear fuel inside, he said.
The one the fire is at is offline is my point
marble relic
A nuclear melt down should imo count in the same vein as firing nuclear weapons ...
Does it actually count? Like, legally in all the 8 billion NATO rules?
sick sleet
> Plant spokesman Andriy Tuz told Ukrainian television that shells were falling ...
overly specific from my pov. "oh, but they are only shelling that building, not this one."
dawn quartz
The current fire is what Im referring to
jagged birch
I think I heard the french foreign legion is in Ukraine now?
sick sleet
I think I heard the french foreign legion is in Ukraine now?
pretty much every single sof has some "ex" staff on the ground there now. 😅
jagged birch
sof?
sick sleet
special operations
dawn quartz
CIA if anything
sick sleet
I wonder if the US sent their Academi
i have seen reports about the full spectrum, anything from us marines to british sas/sbs troops going "on a vacation". thats what the "ex" is about.
dawn quartz
and some spec ops folks
jagged birch
dawn quartz
i have seen reports about the full spectrum, anything from us marines to british...
Citizens joining the legion
sick sleet
Citizens joining the legion
ye. not throwing shades at the french foreign legion there. i really wouldnt. nervously checks perimeter security screen
jagged birch
That's an old article my bad
sick sleet
chuckles ... tracking the 1/6 investigative situation on the side, and one comment ... "Well, if Trump does face charges, he won't won't be able to flee by plane since Russian flights aren't allowed in our airspace."
jagged birch
“Putin’s military gets Ukraine, our military gets trannies and face masks,” - Arizona State Senator Wendy Rogers
She just got censored by her own party
sick sleet
someone has been collecting the "wins" by the ukrainian "rainbow brigades", and, uh, lets say it doesnt look too good for the average armchair rebel in comparison.
jagged birch
Ya gotta be a dumb politician to get censored by the deep south
sick sleet
because, unsurprisingly, it turns out you can have alternate sexual preferences or a serious distance between your phenotype and genotype, and still have more massive proverbial balls than the average internet warrior.
jagged birch
I don't understand why people give two shits about other peoples sexual preferences. Sex between two consenting adults is their business and theirs alone.
sick sleet
yeah, fine with me as long as they are consenting, adult sheep. 😅
jagged birch
Wait...Why sheep? What kind of farm are you fishing for love at?
shakes head back to war
Woo net is better in Ukraine than it was yesterday
Users in russia are bitching about Google Play and Windows App store
Surprise motherfuckers...ya'll cut off
sick sleet
sheep has been my deflection angle at work if anyone brought such topics up for a long time. because people will just stfu if you make a sheep-shagging pun every time they ask who you are spending valentines day with. that got a bit out of hand to the point where i was finding a lot anonymously donated sheep plushies or even custom-made sheep-related things at my desk over the years. 😅
jagged birch
"Custom-made"
Oh shiiiit, Facebook blocked in Russia. I wonder if that's facebook or Russia doing that.
jagged birch
Whoa......
Department of Homeland Security granted Ukraine Temporary Protected Status
Basically lets people get fast tracked to get refuge status in America
sick sleet
what does that status grant/mean? (only thing i know about dhs is they are the ones who want me to put terrible locks on my luggage if i go near north america)
jagged birch
It's just for getting refugees into America
Gives them special rights, like working and staying for an extended period
TPS in US is for 18 months
sick sleet
ah. so, uh, in practice, not a whole lot because they would have to swim quite a distance first.
jagged birch
I hope that the Canadian government starts selling the russian properties they are seizing
Call it anticipatory reparations for Ukraine
sick sleet
i am mostly looking at the UK for that one. because like half of london is owned by .ru at this point.
(which is of course not going to happen because bojo...)
fwiw ... starlink in UA seems to actualy work? i am still unsure about what downlink stations they use for it, but it seems to work as far as kiev.
wait. kyiv? i honestly dont know how i am supposed to spell it at this point.
marble relic
Can vouch for Starlink being useful, even out in the middle of nowhere where I used to live
Honestly putting it in Ukraine rn is hella good
sick sleet
Can vouch for Starlink being useful, even out in the middle of nowhere where I u...
the technical thing about starlink is ... it currently only works within some hundred km of a ground station. and i still have nfi where any gs might be near ukraine.
dawn quartz
ah. so, uh, in practice, not a whole lot because they would have to swim quite a...
From what I gather it's also
"if you were about to be deported, don't worry about that right now"
sick sleet
From what I gather it's also
"if you were about to be deported, don't worry abou...
for those already in northamerica, certainly.
dawn quartz
ye
sick sleet
marble relic
the technical thing about starlink is ... it currently only works within some hu...
Closest ground station to my old place was 225 km and it worked great, that was back during the early beta stages of Starlink too
sick sleet
Closest ground station to my old place was 225 km and it worked great, that was ...
low hundreds work. thousand+ doesnt.
marble relic
Ah
sick sleet
(currently)
@marble relic technically, the problem is starlink still doesnt have sat-to-sat links so your dish dishes up to the sat, and the same sat has to dish it back down to a ground station.
marble relic
Yee
sick sleet
very pretty visualization how that works from an east-to-west-coast-US signal ... https://twitter.com/StarlinkedOrg/status/1498703045315772418
sleek river
@sick sleet NATO gonna discuss intervention and a possible no fly zone
sick sleet
ouch
did some searching wrt starlink ground station coverage near ukraine, this map indicates like 2/3 of ukraine are covered by ground stations in poland (east), lithuania (north) and istanbul (south), with the lack of coverage mostly in the south-easter parts of ukraine. https://starlink.sx/
sleek river
<@!399638013937713152> <https://twitter.com/dantoujours/status/14994593172625981...
Maybe y'all should call us our proper name
sick sleet
@sleek river sorry, still trying to adjust to three new spellings for Kiew per day.
sleek river
👍
sick sleet
someone needs to post translated/subbed comms-audio capture of that one ...
https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1499753688478494721
finite sail
gas in canada is almost $200 a gallon wtf (wait is it in liters? even more wtf)
bold moss
200 a gallon??
finite sail
200 a gallon??
no apparently its at a record high, but they post their prices in pennies...
sick sleet
note lack of source or specification of what type of $. but if its Z$ ... ah.
finite sail
yeah it doesnt say anything other than a number
sick sleet
so assuming thats CAD and per liter ... thats pretty damn dirt cheap.
civic swift
so assuming thats CAD and per liter ... thats pretty damn dirt cheap.
Canadian dollars?
That’s still like 150 USD
sick sleet
note the "they seem to list the price in cents" part.
sick sleet
so thats 1.89 CAD, which is about 1.36 EUR ... and the the local price here is more like 1.8 EUR
civic swift
Putting the price in pennies seems to be a bad idea
Because it doesn’t say that
And people might think it is 188 dollars
sick sleet
it doesnt specify liter either, so yes, it absolutely is 188.9 CAD per hectoliter. 😄
civic swift
Hectoliter? What in the world is a hectoliter?
sick sleet
(i wasnt sure if that was a german thing, so i had to actualy check)
civic swift
I mean i’m not exactly familiar with those units of measurement
In the US we use gallons
sick sleet
mumbles something about quarterpounders with cheese in paris
civic swift
So are you from Germany?
elfin frost
gosh it hurts me some of the russian soldiers are pretty young and dont even know why they go fight
bold moss
no apparently its at a record high, but they post their prices in pennies...
I was like tf
I paid 76 for 36 litres the other day so I was really goddamn confused for a sec
glass wyvern
gosh it hurts me some of the russian soldiers are pretty young and dont even kno...
Some? More than 50% it seems, a lot are those doing their National service (so between 18-20) it’s pretty sad. They got told they are on a training exercise and then get told to start firing live rounds.
finite sail
I was like tf
me too. it seems like a weird way to list gas prices to me
i paid $4.20 a gallon yesterday
elfin frost
Some? More than 50% it seems, a lot are those doing their National service (so b...
and most of them will die
glass wyvern
Sadly this will be true. There are no winners in war.
elfin frost
there isnt
and i feel like as this war will drag putin will get more angry or desperate to finish this
and might use u know
marble relic
He wouldn't launch anything, but that nuclear reactor is probably looking mighty fine to him as a last resort
Wallah, he avoids nuclear retaliation and he gets a big hit on Europe
If the power plant goes off he could even try to claim that their failsafes weren't up to snuff, pull the old "This was supposed to just cripple you, any useful power plant wouldn't have exploded" bs card
elfin frost
I know what you’re implying here
i dont mean that
civic swift
Then what did you mean?
elfin frost
i mean that he can use a lot more bombs not just a big one but like bomb the entire ukraine with multiple small ones
like u do a air raid and destroy most of the cities
not the nuclear way
civic swift
I would hope not
sick sleet
"thermobaric mlrs"
elfin frost
its not gonna stop to ukraine anymore
sick sleet
there more
did you see the shots of lukashenko with the russian strategic plans? the ones that had an assault on moldova already drawn in?
glass wyvern
I’d find it hard to justify the power plant as anything other than an attack on the entire world, even Russians. I don’t think they want to cause a meltdown as they likely want it for themselves to help their electricity economy given what’s happening right now.
elfin frost
uhh no
glass wyvern
did you see the shots of lukashenko with the russian strategic plans? the ones t...
For me it was hard to say if it was Moldova, Transnistria, or even just a deliberate thing to cause fear. Like it seemed very staged for some reason. Not to say they won’t I guess but it’s hard to call right now how far he will push things
sick sleet
For me it was hard to say if it was Moldova, Transnistria, or even just a delibe...
moldova. transnistria already has russian troops in it (for years), which puts moldova into pretty much similar situation als ukraine was the last years: having some pro-russian breakaway-regions.
glass wyvern
You think they will do the same thing there or do you think it was staged? I mean I know Lukashenko is a fucking moron but is he really that moronic?
sick sleet
You think they will do the same thing there or do you think it was staged? I mea...
i really dont know at this point, because there simply are too many things on my "this is a terrible idea" list being done the last days.
weeks.
glass wyvern
Yeah true
jagged birch
There are no quarter pounders in paris
sick sleet
grave brook
someone needs to post translated/subbed comms-audio capture of that one ...
htt...
i could translate the second half of the post if thats what ur interested in
but im not sure u'll like whats written there
sick sleet
@grave brook i have seen a translation of that post and did intentionally not post it here.
grave brook
I see
sick sleet
(its somewhere in that vindman thread afair)
sick sleet
the vindmans are pretty good sources/filters about this conflict in general
grave brook
Ehm
I ran through his profile and i respectfully disagree
But idk maybe its just a need to vent to somewhere internatiinally inside me speaks now
I love this community and im not sure if it would be appropriate
sick sleet
i dont agree with his/their views in many cases, but i can respect knowledge and experience even where not agreeing with views.
grave brook
The problem is hes only using ua sources tho
Though i agree its hard to find a good ru source tho....
The most trustworthy sources in tgis situation are regular people from both sides
But its very unlikely for "big names" to use them
Especially when condemning the war is legally a crime in russia now
To sum up, any big name source is heavily biased
Biased not only in their opinion, but in sheer info representation, i mean
sick sleet
certainly. this one got himself into serious trouble by stubbornly refusing to accept politically motivated "alternative facts" though. and knowns the languages, "cultures" and hardware involved.
grave brook
Cant open rn, twitter is being blocked in russia xD
sick sleet
(this is about facebook, but yes, they are now blocked too)
grave brook
Well, if anyone is interested in venting of a random russian citizen, i may talk tomorrow
(Atm going to drink)
Be safe
sick sleet
sick sleet
Twitter
O_o ... SBU shot one of their own negotiators during the negotiations with RU ... for treason ... https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/03/5/7328458/
sleek geyser
O_o ... SBU shot one of their own negotiators during the negotiations with RU .....
What exactly does this mean?
sick sleet
What exactly does this mean?
i dont know? looking for a second source right now.
sleek geyser
I wouldn’t even know which language this article was written in, sorry
sick sleet
got google translate on your phone? switch it to camera mode, set from language to ukrainian, point phone at the text.
sleek geyser
I like having someone who speaks the language summarize, there’s certain subtleties lost in translation
I sent it off to my Ukrainian uncle, see if he can make heads or tails of it
sick sleet
jagged birch
https://twitter.com/perfiliev/status/1500131156980862981
Who has "strategic meetings" with flight attendants? Sounds like he's trying to set up a harem
sick sleet
Who has "strategic meetings" with flight attendants? Sounds like he's trying to ...
Twitter
jagged birch
People that are sick enough that death might be on their mind should not be in a position of power.
They are a danger to everyone around them
...and everyone not
It's mental health awareness
glass wyvern
O_o ... SBU shot one of their own negotiators during the negotiations with RU .....
Seems a touch odd he was there in the first place…
Sure you send a very trusted team and not some periphery / fringe characters
grave brook
A very good article
sleek river
Apparently the Bank of Georgia own the Bank of Belarus
sick sleet
Apparently the Bank of Georgia own the Bank of Belarus
thats some advanced trolling options right there...
wild phoenix
@sleek river invaded again? Of course I'm worried
Worried that he has always wanted to take back all the former Soviet states
sleek river
Worried that he has always wanted to take back all the former Soviet states
They won't have any money left for another war
@wild phoenix I was pretty worried too and I'm calm
And we are included in NATOs immediate response
grave brook
Ooooh
deep saddle
So any chance it could spill over into Moldova if Russia takes the black sea and the south? Cuz so far I still watch Andrew Rayel performing his EDM sets from his rooftop in Moldova where he grew up. And I was thinking about the borders with them and Poland and Georgia more.
sleek river
So any chance it could spill over into Moldova if Russia takes the black sea and...
No , Russian is getting sent back to the Stone age
Some countries are discussing blocking Russian oil and gas, which will send Russia back to the stick age
grave brook
It looks like u like it
deep saddle
Yea Germany I believe jumped on that.
Idk if the US will even attempt to block oil. Probably not.
sleek river
It looks like u like it
?
deep saddle
Some countries are discussing blocking Russian oil and gas, which will send Russ...
You feeling better than right now?
sleek river
You feeling better than right now?
?
deep saddle
I mean with anxiety over the border
grave brook
?
Idk im just tired of seeing all the hatred towards russian people and seeing people visibly happy about russia being economically strangled
deep saddle
Ahy update on the second power plant theh were heading towards last night?
sleek river
Idk im just tired of seeing all the hatred towards russian people and seeing peo...
Mate I got invaded ,you think I'm gonna like Russia?
deep saddle
Idk im just tired of seeing all the hatred towards russian people and seeing peo...
Well this chat is safe. They put rules in for that. We recognize there is suffering on both sides.
jagged birch
Idk im just tired of seeing all the hatred towards russian people and seeing peo...
Nobody is happy that Russian civilians are suffering. The choice to invade though was a choice made by the Russian Government and the people make the government.
It's their call ultimately whether or not this continues
grave brook
It's their call ultimately whether or not this continues
I wish it worked like that but unfortunately it doesnt
jagged birch
There is always a choice
verbal shadow
Well this chat is safe. They put rules in for that. We recognize there is suffer...
Exactly
verbal shadow
Yes, vent in nms chat or go to jail
What ya mean? 🥺
jagged birch
For way too long the russian government has been bolstering a system of oppression to silence disagreement.
sleek river
Russian backed separatists ethnically cleansed Georgians , think about that for a bit
deep saddle
And even the Russian solders who surrender and cooperate are being treated better than some invaders would in other countries
Idk how Europe and the US are going to successfully Penetrate Russia to get news to the locals. Because they're not being told anything accurate and just propaganda.
grave brook
What ya mean? 🥺
About the choice
jagged birch
I can understand the reluctance of people to fight their own government, the fear is real. What I can not understand is the state they must be in to think that there won't be a response or that they should not themselves suffer for the mishandlings of their own government. Even at an arms length, everyone must be engaged with the governance of their own nation.
Or at least acknowledge not being engaged, that they suffer their lack of decision
deep saddle
And why they went to the border without information
jagged birch
Russia is a great nation. It does not deserve the garbage putin has given it for twenty years.
Russia survived the highest losses any nation has ever been served in war and come through together
For twenty years that man has fed the country nationalist lies
grave brook
Russian backed separatists ethnically cleansed Georgians , think about that for ...
if u talk about 2008, sry i was too young back then and dont know details. the russian version was that Georgia was bombing civilians in Abkhazia and South Osetia (yeye, tv, i know), but since i know FOR SURE that those civilian bombigs happened in Donetsk region in 2014-15, i can assume that info about Georgia bombings may also be true
are u Georgian, may i ask?
jagged birch
I suspect that russia is going to face a revolution before it ever ends the putin regime
sleek river
Tortured our POWs
jagged birch
It will change the world and how oil and power distribution (electricity) is distributed
grave brook
I can understand the reluctance of people to fight their own government, the fea...
do i understand that i will suffer? yes
do i think its righteous? no
do i accept people being happy about me suffering? absolutely not
deep saddle
Change tends to come at a cost. Either conflict or integration
deep saddle
But no one stays stagnant forever. Not even a country. Well maybe North Korea.
sick sleet
It will change the world and how oil and power distribution (electricity) is dis...
if it means large parts of the world stop sitting on their thumbs and move to less-carbon ways to run things, that is ... something good that would come off this.
grave brook
Tortured our POWs
did u get this info from ur acuaintances of from the tv?
sleek river
Honestly I'm 1/8 Russian ,My great grandmother was Russian and my cousin is half Ukrainian . Do I like the war? No
grave brook
and did Georgia bomb Abkhazia from ur point of view? im rly interested
deep saddle
Moving to green energy can be part of that solution
sleek river
did u get this info from ur acuaintances of from the tv?
There are videos
deep saddle
Honestly I'm 1/8 Russian ,My great grandmother was Russian and my cousin is hal...
I don't think anyone does or wants any war.
grave brook
Nobody can be happy about war.
not about war, about russian people and companies being discriminated all around the world
and oh trust me there is a shitton of ppl out there
sleek river
and did Georgia bomb Abkhazia from ur point of view? im rly interested
Abkhazia is our historical land , why would we bomb it
jagged birch
if it means large parts of the world stop sitting on their thumbs and move to le...
That's the thing...the only good that will come of this conflict...That countries will be far more incentivized to drop fossil fuels entirely. Guaranteed once Russia oil investments have been devested of in the calculations, OPEC will pick up the slack and there will be an oil resurgence for half a decade with HUGE investments made on renewables
grave brook
Abkhazia is our historical land , why would we bomb it
bcoz of separatism maybe idk actually
why russia would do that tho
donetsk is ukrainian historical land too and they bombed its civilians for a fact
so idk
jagged birch
I would've loved to have seen a Russia under Navalny
sleek river
bcoz of separatism maybe idk actually
why russia would do that tho
The Soviets basically planted time bombs in Georgian regions
glass wyvern
Idk im just tired of seeing all the hatred towards russian people and seeing peo...
I can tell you that I for one am not happy to see what’s inflicted on the average Russian person as a result of Putin and a few other cunts at the top. I’m sorry you have to go through it and I’m sorry Ukraine has to suffer what it suffers.
jagged birch
Navalny gave me hope for a global Russia
sleek river
My family lineage has a 2000 year old connection to Samachablo or as the world calls it South Ossetia
jagged birch
A country so changed that bond movies using it as a villain wouldn't make sense
sleek river
Here's a rundown the Soviets gave autonomy to small regions of Georgia so they would basically riot in the future
grave brook
The Soviets basically planted time bombs in Georgian regions
u mean real soviets back before 1990?
jagged birch
What are you talking about "just another populist"?
sleek river
u mean real soviets back before 1990?
Yeah
jagged birch
Most of Russia are ordinary people. They have the smallest 1% population on earth
jagged birch
Navalny is caucasian
sleek river
The Caucasus region
grave brook
What are you talking about "just another populist"?
u know what populist means right? (oh maybe its another world in english tho...)
basically, he was all talk, he could not rule a country
and he was shady aswell
jagged birch
Populist means - of or relating to ordinary people
glass wyvern
Political figure and shady go hand in hand
grave brook
Populist means - of or relating to ordinary people
what i mean is saying popular points appealing to masses without meaning it and actual intent to implement it
jagged birch
I can't trust Navalny's treatment of the caucasus
I don't agree with everything he has said or done
jagged birch
what i mean is saying popular points appealing to masses without meaning it and ...
That's why governments are not represented by individuals but groups
Imagine if the US Government was all Biden. Nobody would get anything done and everyone would be a "wiseguy" or "crackerjack"
The man has the memory and language of a 1940s informercial
grave brook
ok i am not qualified enough to talk about caucasian conflict of 2008, all i can say that i was told they bombed said regions and there were videos of it too, and that i dont see any profit of attacking Georgia in the first place
grave brook
That's why governments are not represented by individuals but groups
and navalny's team without him is absolutely useless, as we see
sleek river
Putin basically want the Soviet union back and that's honestly it
jagged birch
But what era of the soviet union
glass wyvern
Lum1nus, if I can ask you as a Russian citizen. What’s your honest view on Putin, do you think he’s lost his mental faculty or do you believe he’s sane of mind and just hell bent on destruction?
grave brook
Putin basically want the Soviet union back and that's honestly it
and 14 years later those regions are not part of Russia anyway
jagged birch
I doubt he wants the union back. He might, but he knows his limitations. Probably wants a statue so he can live in history having laid the groundwork on pushing toward those ends though.
sleek river
and 14 years later those regions are not part of Russia anyway
They literally want to integrate into Russia
glass wyvern
Yeah I heard about this today man. Blink once for mental and twice for sane 😂
grave brook
They literally want to integrate into Russia
they had a plenty of time
and as far as i know, there is no such talk even nw
deep saddle
I'm sorry for everything you have to deal with.
sleek river
They signed a integration treaty in 2015
glass wyvern
Copy that
jagged birch
Who wore it better, Lenin or Putin?
sick sleet
Who wore it better, Lenin or Putin?
hey, no smacking lenin, it was the other guy who was the problem...
deep saddle
They're cracking down on anyone protesting and speaking out over there.
grave brook
I'm sorry for everything you have to deal with.
not as hard as ua ppl have it now
but
once this horror is over
ukraine will be fine
there is a hope for them
sleek river
Who wore it better, Lenin or Putin?
Lenin at least didn't want to take Georgia militarily
grave brook
there is no hope for russia tho
deep saddle
But even when this ends Russia goes back to the suppression
glass wyvern
This whole situation is a shit storm in a shot glass and needs tipping down the sink and rinsing out.
dawn quartz
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-eu-nato-stop-arms-supplies-ukraine-2022-03-05/
🙄 😆
deep saddle
CNN did a focus on mothers and children in Ukraine last night to focus a specific narrative. It's pretty tragic.
sick sleet
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-eu-nato-stop-arms-supplies-ukr...
"please send fuel instead"
glass wyvern
plz dont copy 😮
No I mean understood, not copy as in copy for evidence lol
jagged birch
Ultimately nothing Russia does to Ukraine will change anything. Even if they killed the Ukrainian leader and installed a puppet state, the instability would collapse and the Russian military will be stretched thin trying to maintain the region. Already 1/5 of Russias army is in Ukraine.
grave brook
No I mean understood, not copy as in copy for evidence lol
ye i know, just a bit of humor in those hard times
glass wyvern
Ahh got you lol
jagged birch
Russia must know foreign nations are just itching for them to take a swing at someone big enough to respond with force...Putin must be livid.
grave brook
or maybe they will refrain till the very end bcoz of fear of nukes or ww3
hard to predict
jagged birch
Nobody is afraid of nukes.
finite sail
uhh
glass wyvern
Let’s clarify that
jagged birch
and by that I mean nobody is afraid enough to not go to war to stop them