#Serious

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dawn quartz
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"Hey Kimo, how many more ratchet straps did you bring?"

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Yuo ever worked aboard a ship lol?

sick sleet
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and once it is up there, its fucking heavy enough to stay. šŸ˜„

dawn quartz
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Everything you do on the ocean is much more dangerous and time consuming

sick sleet
# dawn quartz Yuo ever worked aboard a ship lol?

no. but had an office right next to Hamburg harbor for years. as in, if i dropped out the window, and made it more than 2m away from the wall during the four floors down, i would have ended up in the harbor basin. you get to see a lot of wacky ship antics that way.

dawn quartz
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Point being, that process you described takes a tremendous amount of human work hours and it's not an every day operation.

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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And that isn't a typical load

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Even stopping a ship that size take planning lol

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Yes, and to suggest the largest vessel of it's kind just pulls in, sinks, and grabs the load is absurd lol

sick sleet
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pft. ok. they were probably chanting "ho, ho, and a bottle of rum" while doing it. šŸ˜„

dawn quartz
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Balancing the USS Cole on there must have been interesting

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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(and jfc. i am getting roasted by a single anklebiter about the BOJO "frontlines" photo op thing. bloody hell? its a) BOJO, b) a photo-op 2500km from kiev being called "on the frontlines", which c) makes it a reasonable 90%+ default to assume everything else said in that context was lies too...)

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and tbqfh, it doesnt take (b) there. (a) leading straight to (c).

dawn quartz
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Seems to me that if one takes an oath to public office, lying under that context should be perjury at the very least.

sleek river
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Guys

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Kadyrov said that he'll sanction the West if they don't lift the sanctions on Russia , We're fucked

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Didn't p-hub do the same?

sick sleet
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yeah. and steam.

deep saddle
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Oh that reminds me. Some of my wish list is currently on sale again

dawn quartz
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Funny how united the world can be

glass wyvern
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Kadyrov also claims thereā€™s been no loss of their forces and that the Russians could take the cities anytime they wanted but they are trying to limit the loss of life.

sleek river
sick sleet
# dawn quartz Funny how united the world can be

i like how a lot of companies decided "ok, lets do this, we dont need a UN resolution for it". in comparison, just to shit on BOJO some more ... the UK is blocking RU airlines. which means RU oligarchs with private planes are still welcome. well, yeah, they own like half of london, so...

sleek river
sick sleet
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lemme find the source on that one ...

dawn quartz
old basin
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I gotta wonder what this war is going to end up being called a couple years from now

The Sanction War? The Ukrainian-Russia war?

sleek river
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@dawn quartz also the private jet that I tracked landed in Moscow

sleek river
dawn quartz
sleek river
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Why the facepalm?

dawn quartz
sleek river
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Well it flew from Geneva and over EU space

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So that doesn't apply I guess

dawn quartz
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Exactly

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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it's a demonstration of the loophole, because those people have those resources

sleek river
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@dawn quartz quick delivery

deep saddle
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CNN has an article on the affect of the invasion on Wallstreet, European security firms and investors.

sick sleet
sleek river
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How stupid are they?

deep saddle
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It could shake up where the business deals happen and who with. So even if the invasion is a failure it could be a long term power move maybe.

sleek river
deep saddle
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BP: British oil company BP is the largest foreign investor in Russia with a 19.75% stake in the country's national oil company Rosneft. It also holds stakes in several other oil and gas projects in Russia.

Danone: The French yogurt maker Danone controls Russian dairy brand Prostokvanhino and gets 6% of total sales from the country.

ExxonMobil: The American oil giant has more than 1,000 employees in Russia, and has been in the country for over 25 years.

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It's affecting McDonald's oreo and Cadbury also. The sanctions I mean

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So inflation can happen in western society from it.

sleek river
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Well half of those products aren't available here

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Well only Oreo is

deep saddle
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Ah we have them everywhere.

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I do my best to avoid mobile and BP for gas anyways.

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I mean exxon/mobile was caught hiding climate change evidence anyways.

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And BP had the oil spill

sleek river
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Well I only pay 0.0646$ for public transport

old basin
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Why it affecting Oreo of all things

deep saddle
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All those companies have workers factories or resources coming from Russia

old basin
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Ah

deep saddle
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Also wheat and corn price inflation

sleek river
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We get Russian flour in my country

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So I guess no bread for me

deep saddle
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In some ways I'm lucky in that we have a lot of local farms here and I can source locally. But it can be more expensive.

deep saddle
sleek river
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Ah

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Well still no bread for me I guess , Bread is really important here

deep saddle
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I was not one of those pandemic people to learn to make bread lol

sleek river
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We eat it everyday here

deep saddle
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Ah sorry

sleek river
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Np

deep saddle
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I consume more rice these days or lentils and quinoa.

sleek river
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The fuck I'm gonna eat instead of bread now

deep saddle
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Make your own?

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Rice cakes?

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Grilled cheese rice cakes

sleek river
sleek river
deep saddle
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Almond flour easier to make gluten free bread if you can still consume eggs

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I can't have eggs either which makes it extra challenging to navigate.

sleek river
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I can consume anything consumable by the human body , don't worry

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Also anonymous brought down Belarusian banks

dawn quartz
sleek river
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How many?

dawn quartz
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Not sure but that was talked about in the press conference earlier today, so that was quick

deep saddle
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Did Putin ready nuclear weapons?

sleek river
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US called it a bluff

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The US's intelligence is pretty good so I'll trust them on that

deep saddle
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I called it a bluff. Guess he's as mentally unbalanced as Kim after all

sleek river
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Kim is more mentally stable than him lol

deep saddle
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That's a frightening thought.

sick sleet
sleek river
jagged birch
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Belarus is cute with its trying to be an adult.

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I really don't think Belarus knows what's coming to them after Russia is put down

sacred isle
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Yeah... I thought at the start, when they first gave support, that it might make sense for them if they assume Russia is going to win... now, seems much less sensible.

sleek river
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Ruble just dropped by 6% in 4 minutes

sleek river
sick sleet
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let me see if i can find that prediction for this week ... it didnt seem reasonable to post at the time, but by now ...

sacred isle
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How did they do a referendum in like 2 days anyway

sick sleet
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"""My predictions for the next days:
Monday: Bank Run in Russia begins. No more Cash available.
Tuesday: Beginning of Food-Looting in bigger cities
Wednesday: Widespread Looting in Russia, Police forces stops to prevent Looting, because they are hungry too and cant buy Food
Anytime between Tuesday and Friday: Putin has a "medical Emergency" and it will stay unclear for multiple days if he is still alive.
Oligarchs will then frame the situation as "We are so sorry and have been blackmailed by a madmen" - this will be the confirmation that Putin is dead.
Next Week: Putins successor offers to give the Krim back, to smooth things over with Ukraine"""
https://twitter.com/ijonberlin/status/1497980132233027587

sleek river
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Will they give Georgia our stolen lands back too?

jagged birch
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Putin won't die. He'll agree to let Ukraine go and withdraw to the eastern border as a measure of showing "good faith", then never leave in the hope people ease pressure on Russia. Then the EU will fold like a cheap suit as "peace talks" continue and Russia pushes the line through sabotage and hacking

dawn quartz
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China was bound to think with their wallet eventually.
China trade with US alone = 583 bil $US.
With Russia, it's a mere 84.

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And now that Russia's money is worthless even more so

jagged birch
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They'll re-evaluate their movements in Belarus and set up a strategy that includes cutting off the western border so Ukraine can't use the Polish border

deep saddle
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China is still staying out of this or voting no.

jagged birch
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Russia did the same thing in Syria, when facing the US in direct conflict

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They play nice until they can move their forces, then act like dicks again

sick sleet
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if you had asked me a month ago, i would have said putin is like way, way, way more rational/sane than lukashenko ... currently, i am less sure.

jagged birch
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Putin is old and he wants to be the statue that re-united the USSR

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The Russian Federation is abhorrent to that troll

sick sleet
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https://twitter.com/Pabriks/status/1497575078669668360

Artis Pabriks (@Pabriks)

I just got out of box proposal how to end the Russian aggression. West announces that every Russian soldier which surrenders to Ukrainians will receive asylum in the West! I think its victorious idea from artist Aigars BikŔe. Countries which do not give weapons to UA give asylum.

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deep saddle
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Putin had a good bluff during the last 4 or 5 years on his rationality and grip on reality.

deep saddle
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French volunteers are organizing care packages for refugees

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Ukraine soldiers are wearing 3 ply masks.

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Which is good

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Well I suppose it depends.

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With all the new science and disagreements

sick sleet
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it matters if you intend to come home.

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wrt french ... the french authorized ukrainian members of their foreign legion to go home. and take their whole equipment with them.

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that would have me slightly worried as a green/conscript russian. šŸ˜„

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at pretty much the same time, the ukrainians announced they are establishing a foreign legion.

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if the french FL urkainians build the core of that one, the russians are doomed. šŸ˜…

deep saddle
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Ah yea.

sick sleet
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as someone put it on reddit ... "You know, individually all of these things are small. But they really add up to one giant Fuck Russia when you put them all together."

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(which is wrong. its "fuck Putin". with an additional "a" if you are french.)

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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(there is resonable disagreement about percentages, which is related to situation and mask quality.)

dawn quartz
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No medical intervention is 100% so that's a red herring

sick sleet
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exactly.

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if you take three measures that each are only 80% effective, overall you are still at 99%+ ... the swiss-cheese strategy.

dawn quartz
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I was doing some napkin math just for kicks a while back.
If the hydrogen sulfide molecule (egg farts) was the size of a tennis ball, the Covid virus would roughly have a diameter the length of a football field.

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That people were using smells as some kind of proof that a given mesh cant stop a virus is funny in that respect

sick sleet
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and with filters, "size is less important than how you use it". very much.

dawn quartz
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To a degree.
You can certainly make things useless

deep saddle
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And type.

sick sleet
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even on the purely mechanical level, there is that concept of "mean free path". because even a particle much smaller than a filter "opening" has to navigate a labyrinth of filter fibers. and in general wont make it.

deep saddle
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But there is more disagreement on masking mandates than actual masks l

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I.e. politic

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And how you use it. And everything. Like most people don't get custom fitted to n95

sick sleet
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and most masks go well beyond the mechanical level. melt-blown masks have a "static charge" thing going on, which drastically reduces the mean free path inside beyond the purely mechanic.

dawn quartz
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There's a rational argument for medical autonomy, but our lives are constant compromises of personal liberties and public well being.
Public health has long outweighed those liberties that said.

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Last I checked ~10% of infected were likely responsible for ~80% of transmissions

sick sleet
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there was an awesome case diagram from korea this month. they have few enough cases that they actually still can do case tracking. and when comparing it to whats going on locally, it was "i facepalmed so hard i got a concussion".

dawn quartz
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How so?

sick sleet
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germany has been running on a mantra of "schools/kindergartens are not a pandemic vector" and "its harmless for children" ... but ... it turns out, these children go home. and there are entirely able to infect their relatives.

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and that korean chain map showed that quite clearly. single imported index case, carried into a kindergarten, and spreading like wildfire from there.

dawn quartz
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Ah, yeah,
Kids are often filthy after all lol

sick sleet
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(ok, so the two kindergartens were not the main hubs. but you might get the point anyways. šŸ˜… )

deep saddle
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I had to try and debunk a friend a month ago on invermectin. He was citing Croatia I think

dawn quartz
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It's always interesting to see stuff like that.
You can clearly see how relatively few people were responsible for most of the spread.

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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Lol like the October expedition.

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Tho I got a worm egg. So I don't wanna use it if I got a pet

sick sleet
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(if you have worms that size, you got other problems than masks...)

dawn quartz
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Haha yes, 10/10 thumbnail

deep saddle
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Depends on what you mean by a giant worm?and that gives me dune vibes.

dawn quartz
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But that article is the most thorough piece on the Ivermectin data Ive seen, by a long shot

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And the author is fair.

sick sleet
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thing is ... no single measure is going to be 100%. and that just means we stack a bunch of them. in particular the easy ones.

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and masks are pretty friggen easy if you are not a petulant child about it.

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wait. thats unfair. children are actualy quite reasonable about masks afaict.

dawn quartz
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Right, and those are exactly the kinds of things you want to weigh when deciding on a medical intervention.
They are cheap, effective, don't need specialized training in the gen pop, and generally readily available.
Yet people would rather take an untested dewormer.
sigh

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This channel is great for anyone interested in virology btw
https://www.youtube.com/c/VincentRacaniello
He covers some other topics as well

YouTube
Vincent Racaniello

I'm Vincent Racaniello, Earth's virology Professor. It's my goal to teach virology to the world. On this channel you will find videos from my virology lectures at Columbia University, from my science shows This Week in Virology, This Week in Parasitism, This Week in Microbiology, This Week in Evolution, and This Week in Neuroscience; interviews ...

deep saddle
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Better than Zdogg?

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My allergist has me reading the new england medical journal regularly. But I go to other sources also.

dawn quartz
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I like Zdogg in general but this is much more academic oriented

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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If you're reading journals, you'll want to focus on meta analyses/systematic reviews.

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Individual studies are relatively weak by comparison

sick sleet
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and while that is certainly not a pleasant experience at all, you probably would know before, will survive without damage, and ... thats still fscking rare? like super-super rare. in particular to have a major relevant allergy and not know about it.

dawn quartz
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Embed fail...

deep saddle
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So I just got the pneumo Vax last summer. My allergist had an interesting idea for helping with my chronic sinusitis. I had the coughing congestion type of symptoms for 4 or 5 years. Really went downhill with allergies and acid reflux. The Vax with bloodwork before and after showed my body does really well at gaining all the proper antibodies from vaccines. Which doubled my confidence.

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I had strep way too often growing up so I had a handful of antibodies already

sick sleet
civic swift
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@glad jay

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That help?

sick sleet
glad jay
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Been watching Newsmax constantly since last Tuesday. Ukraine is outnumbered but still holding USSR back. But now there are several countries in the area discussing the nuclear option as USSR deploys nuclear deterrent measures. šŸ˜¦

sick sleet
civic swift
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Iā€™m not sure USSR has been a very accurate term since 1991

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But go on

sick sleet
glad jay
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I am in the U.S. thank god.

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Oh believe it, it is USSR again.

sick sleet
civic swift
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At the least seemingly trying to recreate the territorial claims of the USSR

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But I suppose going back to the USSRā€™s form of government would be helpful to Putin as he would no longer need to create rigged elections anymore

glad jay
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Not saying the citizens are happy about it, they don't seem to be, and the Russian army is a conscripted army so they aren't happy either.

deep saddle
civic swift
deep saddle
glad jay
deep saddle
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If I lived closer to a border I would likely find a way to volunteer. But I'm in the US also

civic swift
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Almost nobody involved supports the war

glad jay
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Which might explain why Ukraine has been kicking Russia's ass all week.

civic swift
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Sure, they have the equipment

sick sleet
glad jay
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I have much respect for Zelenskyy.

civic swift
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But they werenā€™t expecting to be a part of an invasion force

civic swift
sick sleet
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some people were wondering why zelensky might be the way he is. like, grounded, reasonable, and connected to base reality compared to so many politicos. and, uh, it might be pretty simple. turns out the guy is ... younger than me.

civic swift
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How old is he?

sick sleet
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44

civic swift
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Dang

glad jay
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Yeah 44

civic swift
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That is young compared to most politicians tbh

glad jay
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He is worlds better than our U.S. president!

civic swift
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Uh oh

sick sleet
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yeah, its not young-young, but ... uh ... go find me a president who is younger?

glad jay
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As soon as he came into office he started cleaning up their corrupt government

civic swift
sick sleet
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(it also makes me feel old/useless once again, but i wont blame him for that...)

civic swift
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If you donā€™t mind answering, how old are you, aion?

glad jay
deep saddle
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300? You got the wisdom of an ancient.

civic swift
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Still probably best if we try to limit politics and focus on the current events

glad jay
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Biden is the reason for the current events.

deep saddle
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But yea

civic swift
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Just out of the virtue of not accidentally starting an internet argument, okay?

glad jay
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As soon as America shows weakness this is what happens

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Just have to review history

civic swift
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Iā€¦ guess?

glad jay
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I don't guess

civic swift
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Ok then

sick sleet
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@glad jay note its still more about the ... immediate situation. while i am not aware of any actual ukrainian members of the community, ranting about "how did it come to that" is largely out of scope unless you can do it on an awesome academic/scholar level. šŸ˜„

deep saddle
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Yea there are professor historians who specialize in looking at patterns in history that lead to major events like this. Or that give way to the rise of a so called "strongman".

glad jay
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By the way, with the U.S.;s (Trump's ) help, the Ukraine have been preparing for this a long time.

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Is the only reason they have survived so far

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Especially the stinger missiles, which they used yesterday

sick sleet
sick sleet
deep saddle
glad jay
glad jay
sick sleet
glad jay
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TRUMP called Zelenskyy to congratulate him. But if you were watching the mainstream news, that was never told

sick sleet
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@glad jay sorry, but i do not subscribe to your version of alternate/contrafactual reality.

glad jay
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It's on audio! There is an on-going investigation to go after those that were trying to defame Trump! My god man! Stop watching MSNBC, CNN, etc!

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Already proven they lied and law suits are pending!

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Where the hell have you been?

sick sleet
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@glad jay i do not watch CNN or MSNBC, and afaik the "on audio" shows the exact opposite of what you claim.

glad jay
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No they don't

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Okay, Apparently I am the only one that knows anything. You all need to do your research. Until then, I don't speak with idiots.

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later

deep saddle
# sick sleet varied. western. i was born in a part where as soon as anyone tried to dig deepe...

Wow sorry about the scares. My French professor in college also taught German. She was from Bavaria. Dad used to work for a dental company that had a division in France and Germany and took us on a trip to Europe for my 12th Birthday. So I saw some of the German countryside in the south and we took the train to Berlin. And took the Rhine castle tour. Dad had a cousin stationed nearby at the time.

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@civic swift

civic swift
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Eh?

deep saddle
civic swift
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Ah

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Okay people

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Scale it back a bit

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Try to avoid political discussions

deep saddle
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Think it just burned itself out.

civic swift
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From experience

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They hardly ever end well

sick sleet
deep saddle
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You're not responsible.

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I barely remember any German vocabulary BTW. Been a long time. We had so many business men visiting when I grew up. So that's partly why we had a family trip abroad. I used to have some basics.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Ah nice.

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I love languages. But yea it's a tool to reach goals or communicate

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I had 4 semesters of French, 1 of darjiba to prepare for Morocco and 1 in Italian.

sick sleet
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yeah, but also one that ... doesnt break a deal on its own? you can get by with a lot of guessing and handwaving if the involved parties want to make things work.

deep saddle
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True.

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But I dabble in CNN but I barely watch it compared to the old days before I became more invested in independent news and podcasts and self awareness. I take everything I read and hear with a grain of salt as much as I can and do my best to vette it.
But you could literally spend all day every day vetting stuff if you really wanted to.

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And occasionally I stream French culture news to attempt to to not lose anymore of my vocabulary and language skill development.

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Like I was listening to France 24 during dinner. To see how much I retained

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Language is like a muscle you need to workout

sick sleet
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i am first and foremost a nerd. which means i am curious about pretty much anything. but (and thats something some people are missing) also means i can defer to people who clearly know more about some topic than me, without me second-guessing them based on half-understood whatevers.

deep saddle
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Yea deferring isn't something everyone has the emotional capacity to do.

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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I'm a deep thinker. I question everything and ponder why things work the way they do. And in college I discovered a passion not only for diversity and science or human rights, but social patterns and behaviors through history. And I spend a lot of time studying psychology given my own ptsd and family.
I lost track of how many different subjects we got to learn about in college. And I've spent time in the last 2 years learning more medical and virology stuff and understand DNA better and such. And my primary care is thrilled to hear I'm invested now in better understanding medicine and it's connection to my own health and patterns of thought and behavior in society.

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Sorry. That was long winded. I'm a talker.

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A lot of you are just intellectually on a whole different level than me and with way more knowledge that goes deeper on a variety of subjects. That is something I aspire to continue towards.

dawn quartz
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Sounds like you're doing a commendable job.
If only more people were that curious.

sick sleet
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@deep saddle did you see the posts by powerdns bert about mrna? that was like very, very epic for me. but also more a "hey, cool to know" than "i now feel entitled to make my own decisions based on this" thing.

dawn quartz
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There is a ton of great, free educational material out there for anyone willing to take the effort.

deep saddle
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Yea. Thanks I saved it to read another day

dawn quartz
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As it relates to the current situation, misinformation/propaganda has always fascinated me.
Eg the current re-hashing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the US is really strange and disturbing

deep saddle
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One of the other guys in the honors program with me used to start debates on the credentials and validity on peer reviewed journals for our research papers and how to vetted peer reviewed journals.
The two of us are somewhat rebels in society sometimes and at odds when we think different and challenge the world around us to rise beyond hypocrisy to do better.

deep saddle
sick sleet
deep saddle
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One of my art professors focused on historical China and art under Mao and she tried interviewing elders who survived Mao and it took a lot of work and digging to find people willing to speak. So she could write a book

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We read fictional books in Asian Cultures. Like I actually enjoyed Balzac and the little Chinese seamstress. It's fictional but it makes you think about the historical time period and want to get into the real historical documents and evidence of the camps and book burning and such of Mao

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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I spent a good deal of time better understanding Colonialism in college also. As we went to Morocco and I saw first hand the modern effects of it.

deep saddle
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So there is less of a need to vette through peer reviewed journals?

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Ah yea sorry

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Think I went in 2019. A blizzard in Boston cost us 4 days on the trip as they rebooted the flight.

dawn quartz
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If you want to refute a paper, you really have to show that the math was off, the methods sucked, and/or they made logical errors.

deep saddle
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That's valid.

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Can you identify a potential for bias in the paper? Or are they always biased given we're all human with a lense filter?

dawn quartz
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The latter.
But you can see if they took the proper measures to account for that.

deep saddle
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Ah interesting.

dawn quartz
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In medical research that's usually blinding.

deep saddle
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Ok

dawn quartz
# deep saddle Ah interesting.

ā€œThe first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.ā€

Richard Feynman

deep saddle
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Valid.

deep saddle
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Sometimes I can veer off into so many different tangents of interesting topics, I never go deep enough.

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Like when my PC broke and I had to figure out a brand new build I discovered there was a gpu shortage. And I dove into understand the crisis and also better understanding computers and parts in general and how to research companies ect.

dawn quartz
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And when we get into this stuff, we need understand the technical forms of the word validity; ie in logic or as it pertains to testing/data.
Logically valid arguments can be factually incorrect.
A valid test isn't necessarily reliable.

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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I discovered the shortage in July tho. When it was too late to join the evga que lol. And I began camping bestbuy online and such. It was madness.

dawn quartz
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It's still nuts out there

sick sleet
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there are also very different ways to look at the same data. which are useful for answering different questions. one of my coworkers actualy has a microbiology background, but is mostly our "monitoring" person. and while his "i dont get it, explain" questions are bloody annoying, they are also bloody effective in the long run. as in, he is my favorite rubber duck for years now. if i am struggling with a pile of data, i sit down with him over lunch, and try to explain it, and usualy he will ask very good questions even though he knows less about the topic than i do.

deep saddle
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Yea I got super lucky. My local microcenter began stockpiling gpu's to do full builds on black Friday instead of doing a morning shuffle. So I got a 3080 strix in a full build. With a liquid cooling fee sadly.

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But it kept me from going crazy. Cuz I used to stare at live streams and que's and stock alerts 13 hours a day in the summer

sick sleet
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(pc gamers. snorts and pets his ps4)

deep saddle
deep saddle
dawn quartz
sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Covid data is very robust because of the large numbers involved.
The cohorts for even the early stages of testing are very large.

deep saddle
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Well one of my doctors has two degrees. He got his residency at Tufts. And another residency in Arizona at a holistic location. So he's a functional medicine doctor. And he's concerned about long term affects of the Vax.
He's ambivalent about the vaccine for anyone under 65

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My allergist at Lahey was on the board that rolled out Vax to pediatrics in Massachusetts. So I leaned more into listening to her and reading for myself.

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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"Holistic" is often a red flag with regards to evidence based medicine.
Not in all cases, but many.

deep saddle
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Holistic for me, is working with a doctor that cares to better understand the value of nutrition and stress and lifestyle in relation to health. And he'll write up a pharmaceutical prescription immediately if needed. He's not opposed to medicine. He combines it to nutrition and exercising and mental health and spiritual health

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Which like I got into yoga and stuff over the years for example.

dawn quartz
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Any Dr worth their salt does that

sick sleet
deep saddle
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But functional medicine doctors go the extra mile to obtain a second degree in nutrition and stuff.

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On top of their medical degree.

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I think is the main difference. If it matters

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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Well yea I get full bloodwork panels done every few months. And we try and balance my systems via understanding my vitamin and mineral levels

sick sleet
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what triggers me about the "longterm" part is ... yes, there are "long term" vax studies. but that isnt about time at all. its about number of doses applied. if you have a problem that only shows up on average every 1mil doses applied, with a normal vax that takes years to notice. thats what that term is about. but for c19 vax, we have 10bil+ doses applied now? under the closest / most intense scrutiny for a vax ever?

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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I'll take a look sometime.

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I got diagnosed with hemochromatosis over a year ago. So some of the bloodwork is to monitor the phlebotomy.

dawn quartz
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Feynman's "Cargo Cult Science" address is excellent as well

sick sleet
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(and the "cargo cult" problem is ... widely applicable. well beyond medical.)

dawn quartz
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Yes, absolutely lol

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Feynman must have been a great lecturer.

sick sleet
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on my nerd/tech level, its a problem closely related to "scenario fullfilment". as in, you are always going to put todays problem into the context of something you debugged last week. sometimes thats good. sometimes its very bad. mainly you need to know you are going to do it, even if you dont mean to.

dawn quartz
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lol

sick sleet
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thats a ... very verbose way to put it. šŸ˜„

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(shit. i perhaps recognize 10% of the details there?)

deep saddle
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Oh and my friend calls me a nerd mainly cuz, I'm a little Harry Potter obsessed lol.

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And the video games.

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Not really cuz of my constant research and self education

dawn quartz
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Nerds pretty much rule the world rn

sick sleet
deep saddle
dawn quartz
sick sleet
deep saddle
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I channel my inner Sasha fierce when I'm more confident. It's rare these days.

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I was a 90s child tho

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Lol

dawn quartz
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lmao, no clarity for the dirty masses

deep saddle
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Who needs clarity? When we have people to think for us.

dawn quartz
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Yes, line me up

sick sleet
# deep saddle Who needs clarity? When we have people to think for us.

yes? because if the collective open-source cryptography nerds out there tell me "this is currently the best crypto for your webserver", i am not going to "but i saw an 8yo webforum post out there with a different opinion", i am going to put whatever magic openssl cipher string they recommend into my ssl.conf. and then i am doublechecking it worked with sslscan.

deep saddle
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Oh I have a sarcastic sense of humor sometimes. Like I was thinking about how some people just parrot what they hear on fox news.

sick sleet
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(since snowden, a LOT of "internal" IT got upgraded to current state-of-the-art levels. and sometimes, the results are hilarious. on public endpoints, i agree we shouldnt lock customers with (idioticly) retro setups out. we should offer better, but dont block old stuff. but on internal, i am "state of the art or error" all the way. the fallout from that is rare, but if it happens, its ... educational.)

deep saddle
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So the US Embassay in Russia is urging Americans to depart from the country it sounds like.

sick sleet
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yup, and many others are too, as of ... yesterday.

deep saddle
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Cuz Europe already closed it's flights to planes.

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Makes sense. Leave before you get stuck

dawn quartz
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Apparently interest in the Ukraine's proposed foreign legion is so strong they are only accepting those with combat experience now.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Wow

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I got an orange belt in karate if that counts.

dawn quartz
# sick sleet sauce?

All the embassy contacts are up and people are trying to join over on stack's history server

sick sleet
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(this is one some level the most interwebsed crisis ever...)

dawn quartz
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Right?
Anon, tinder, p-hub...
You couldn't script this stuff lol

deep saddle
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And random fun fact Tokyo is moving towards a same sex partnership system before the rest of Japan.

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For adding additional legal rights to couples.

dawn quartz
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Interesting they haven't done so already

deep saddle
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Yea. But it doesn't surprise me.

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So does an invasion like this risk Russia's eligibility to remain in the UN?

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And a Ukranian Woman is offering sunflower seeds to Russian troops in town so a flower blooms when they die. Not sure if the YouTube video has been vetted yet.

sick sleet
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lots of cases like that over the last days actualy. the sunflower curse. the sunflower is the national flower of ukraine.

deep saddle
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I see.

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I didn't know it was.

sick sleet
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i looked as 2-3 cases of this, and while i understand fuck-all ukrainian, what impressed me was these persons were all very non-hostile about phrasing a very fuck-you thing.

deep saddle
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Yea. It still takes balls.

sick sleet
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as in, even without understanding the language, and getting the "sunflower" aspect of it only through translations, just listening to the voice made it very clear that they were telling them to fuck off, and if they dont, and die here, they could at least do something mildly useful by acting as a sunflower nutritent source.

old basin
deep saddle
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Yea I understand what you mean

old basin
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Also might have been fake (probably is) but I saw something about some fighting around the Chernobyl that they stopped to just kinda keep an eye on it

sick sleet
sick sleet
old basin
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Man I don't wanna be a glow stick for my kids, let's be friends

dawn quartz
old basin
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Serious question since I've been seeing some people around freaking out

Do y'all think we'll ever see a nuclear war in our lifetimes?

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Personally I think we won't

deep saddle
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Honestly that is a difficult question to answer. I don't know.

quiet oyster
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Yā€™all know the war going on with Russia and Ukraine right?

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Putin said if any other country interferes he will unleash consequences greater than anyone has ever seen

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And that genuinely scares me

deep saddle
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I believe we discussed that a little earlier in the day. And some people felt like the US was calling his bluff.

quiet oyster
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Buy saying that heā€™s is threatening nuclear warfare

deep saddle
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It has best escalating rather quickly. And he doesn't seem rational.
I'm sorry you're dealing with it all right now.

quiet oyster
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Iā€™m not in Ukraine but have just random nuke being dropped is not good either

rain cloud
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Launching a nuke at anyone means nukes fly at him, which is the end of the world. Realistically, I think nukes are way out of the question, now that basically everyone has them.

quiet oyster
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I donā€™t think Putin is bluffing

deep saddle
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I'm not the best person to rationally help you through it with logic and fact sorry. But I can validate how you feel.

rain cloud
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Putin isnt a bluffer, but heā€™s also not an idiot

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I have very extremely high doubts weā€™ll see nukes

quiet oyster
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What other consequence would he unleashed then

deep saddle
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And it's possible Belarus is allowing him to bring the nuclear weapons into their country.

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But again it might be a show for politics.

rain cloud
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One nuke being launched means all the nukes are being launched, and that would destroy the planet

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so eh

deep saddle
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Pretty much

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Like Fallout

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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Ah good Bob is here. He can help

quiet oyster
deep saddle
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Super Bob

rain cloud
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Our atmosphere is already shredded

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I just dont think nukes are realistic, though they are imposing

dawn quartz
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Technically the global cooling via particulate could help

deep saddle
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Oddly enough we might enter an ice age from climate change at some point.

rain cloud
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Well we will at SOME@point

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Thats natural

deep saddle
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Well not entirely natural if the cause is partially greenhouse gas emissions and such

quiet oyster
rain cloud
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Without humans existing we already had many

deep saddle
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I wonder how the planet would balance itself without humans. It probably did before we existed. And for us to try sometimes might be an ego thing.

rain cloud
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Weā€™re just kinda speeding it along

quiet oyster
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Humans are the most dangerous animal on earth

deep saddle
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There was an old video on national geographic I believe that forecasted with computer graphics how cities would look reclaimed by nature after humanity was gone.

quiet oyster
deep saddle
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Was interesting

rain cloud
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but yeah, nukes? No. Thatā€™s idiotic. Hitting our power structures and shutting us down? Now thatā€™s imposing.

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We saw how well just Texas handles not having power

deep saddle
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A lot of experts are focusing their talks on cyber war instead

quiet oyster
dawn quartz
deep saddle
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Giggity

rain cloud
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cease

quiet oyster
rain cloud
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Anywho, ye, this is all just sounding like fear mongering more than ā€œwhats gonna happenā€

deep saddle
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Yea. It's easy to fall down the rabbit hole.

rain cloud
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Which is exactly what someone in that position would want

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Fear is extremely powerful

dawn quartz
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FUD

rain cloud
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Especially now that everyones comfy and ignorant

deep saddle
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I've had days where my anxiety disorder got the better of me with racing towards irrational fear over covid.
So. I can sympathize with how difficult it can be to ground yourself in present day facts.
Try a meditation.

quiet oyster
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ā€œThe only thing we have to fear is fear itselfā€ - Franklin D. Roosevelt

dawn quartz
deep saddle
rain cloud
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ye

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anywho i hate politics so yall be good im going back to wholesome chat

deep saddle
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I have a book to read on fear one day. It's in my bookshelf. Too many books to get to

deep saddle
timber delta
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any significant news since yesterday?

deep saddle
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Not that I know at the moment.
The peace talk invitation in Belarus was yesterday maybe?

glass wyvern
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Happening today, Belarus tweeted that they have prepared the meeting room and showed a picture

deep saddle
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So it's still moving forward. I wonder if Putin is stalling while the rest of his troops head in.

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He already had crews on boats. And another band in the north

glass wyvern
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Talks are due to begin at 9am GMT itā€™s been reported

viscid zephyr
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This channel is for serious discussion on the topic of the current ongoing conflict. #off-topic-bond-james-bond exists if you want to chat and make jokes. If you cannot stay serious and on topic here, we will remove your ability to post in this thread.

old basin
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I said before I don't think we'll ever see true nuclear war

But God damn I won't lie, I'm absolutely terrified Putin is going to do the unthinkable

fierce garden
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supposedly russian news website TASS was hacked, displaying anti-war messages; russian defense ministry denies it

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Anonymous, apparently

fierce garden
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interesting, didn't see this before, TSMC is halting semi conductor exports to Russia

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AMD and Intel as well

civic swift
civic swift
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Nobody wants to deal with them

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Just saw a video of some Ukrainian farmer towing away a tank with their tractor.

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Guess he now owns a tank

fierce garden
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good steel

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high carbon

finite sail
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thick

fierce garden
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Switzerland going to apply sanctions as well, freezing assets

finite sail
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sounded like he was losing support from some Russian billionaires too

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he being pootin

glass wyvern
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Roman Abramovich, the owner of Chelsea FC in London was approached by a Ukrainian film maker to ask him to use whatever influence he has to try and help get stop out to the attacks and he has agreed to try. But did suggest his influence wasnā€™t that great in that sphere. Hopefully he does manage something, small ripples can make big waves over time

civic swift
timber delta
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ikr I really hope this works out

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sucks that india is taking a neutral stance

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but then again its hard to convince otherwise

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when we have shit like this happen to us

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and strategically we are more dependent on russia

glass wyvern
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Yeah that wonā€™t help. While I donā€™t condone that, it is a small number Iā€™m sure. You get a minority people like that in many forces unfortunately.

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I should add, I sincerely hope the students are ok.

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People should remember that the views of a government is by no means the views of all its citizens.

fierce garden
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there were also reports of portuguese afro descendents being blocked from passing the Ukrainian border over to ~~ other countries~~ edit: sorry, it was just poland.

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caucasians were being allowed through

glass wyvern
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That sucks also šŸ˜¦

sick sleet
sick sleet
fierce garden
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right, sorry, only poland.

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absolutely šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

sick sleet
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just read a report from a german who left ukraine via romania ... basicly all border buerocracy completely removed, if people want to get out of ukraine thats enough for the moment. and very strong support from the civilian population as soon as you are in romania, like people distributing coffee, food, simcards, and holding up signs with drawings of bathtubs / beds ...

finite sail
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šŸ‡·šŸ‡“

civic swift
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People just being kind to one another

deep saddle
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The world is a mess. Like I wake-up to read about thousands missing in Pakistan.

fierce garden
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even though we're on the other end of europe, here in portugal we have a pretty reasonable ukrainian community, so it's only natural that our doors will be open for any refugees from the war, many family members i'm sure will be coming asap

glass wyvern
deep saddle
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I still think Putin could be buying time until more troops arrive.

glass wyvern
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Itā€™s crossed my mind also. Itā€™s just very hard to tell and also not to be suspicious with that guy due to track record unfortunately.

deep saddle
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Wait and see.

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Well in the past with refugees coming in across the border even Biden wanted to tighten down on it and properly vette them for security.
Idk what Romania is doing. This is an emergency situation

sick sleet
red citrus
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Wait Ukraine is going to/trying to join the EU? Is that good after all this Brexit crap?

sick sleet
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the impact of that goes well beyond ukraine. many german wind-power turbines use ka-sat for telemetry and control ... and are currently offline because of it.

deep saddle
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I mean if Russia can invade and remain in the UN, what's keeping Ukraine's paperwork held up?

civic swift
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Russia

quiet oyster
deep saddle
civic swift
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What?

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I was answering your question.

deep saddle
deep saddle
civic swift
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Nope

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Well I gotta finish my dual citizenship and get my eu passport. I put the paperwork on hold when I got sick a few years ago. Getting an appointment with the Italian consulate in Boston is nightmare anyways.

sick sleet
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ouch. ouchouchouch. remember a few days ago conti (one of the big russian ransomware gangs) wrote they would attack anyone trying to cyber anything russian? it seems today the conti comms infrastructure got breached and leaked.

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anonymous taking down conti would be ... for the lulz.

glass wyvern
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To be fair they made themselves targets there I feelā€¦

dawn quartz
finite sail
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my understanding is they werent checking papers

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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@dawn quartz poland at least was checking papers, but seems to have ... changed procedures by now.

dawn quartz
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Yeah it's old news essentially, but the racism angle panders to the Russian denazify nonsense a bit

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Which is hilarious when the head of Wagner group has SS tattoos on his neck

sick sleet
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not sure how poland being crassly xenophobic as usual would support putins storyline there. šŸ˜„

dawn quartz
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"Nazis, all of them, except us!" is pretty much their stance lol

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Dmitri Utkin

finite sail
dawn quartz
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But it's past tense now anyway

fierce garden
dawn quartz
fierce garden
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i wonder if they lost/had no portuguese papers, yeah, that's bad

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yeah yeah, for sure i agree

dawn quartz
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Russia's whole stance is "denazifying" the region (while employing that dude with the ss tattoos lol)

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BP and Shell have pulled out of that pipeline project now.
Kudos to them.

glass wyvern
finite sail
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yeah, its pretty sad

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im not well learned on the history of war, but Ukraine having to set up an international legion for people from other countries who want to volunteer to fight is pretty interesting

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pootin is so hated that thousands of people from other countries are volunteering to fight against the invasion

sick sleet
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can be a bit problematic too. ukraine has been an "adventure travel" destination for actual nazis wanting to play war in the past.

finite sail
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hmm i see

dawn quartz
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Yeah there is Azov, but I guess at times you can't be too picky about allies lol

sick sleet
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i was actualy thinking of cases a few years back, i think it was about fighting in donbass at the time.

deep saddle
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They've basically been making a militia around Texas in the last 4 or 5 years or so. Lisa Ling did a documentary on interviewing militia members a few years ago.

jagged birch
jagged birch
deep saddle
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Thanks. It's been an uphill battle for 4 years. It's really complicated. I never finished my associates. But I'm making good progress. My body just makes shifts really slow

jagged birch
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Appears to be a private contractor now.

dawn quartz
jagged birch
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Oooo, Turkey is shutting down the access point going into the black sea

sick sleet
deep saddle
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I do feel bad it hurts people that aren't part of the invasion.

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I get the strategy tho

sick sleet
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i dont rate "have to use cash instead of your phone for subway fare" very high on the "hurt" scale. šŸ˜‰

jagged birch
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When you consider the rouble is worth less than 1 cent American and it's unlikely that they're lowering the cost of transit...

deep saddle
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True. But who carries cash anymore?

sick sleet
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but it may make the "the rest of the planet is not amused by your countries shenanigans" message ... more obvious.

deep saddle
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Just plan an extra hour to get to work

jagged birch
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If you force people to use physical cash when cash is worthless, it becomes heavy a burdensome

deep saddle
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Ah

jagged birch
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Recall what happened when the USSR economy crashed

sick sleet
jagged birch
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...

bold moss
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Reposting what Gleam has said earlier today:

This channel is for serious discussion on the topic of the current ongoing conflict. #off-topic-bond-james-bond exists if you want to chat and make jokes. If you cannot stay serious and on topic here, we will remove your ability to post in this thread.

jagged birch
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That said, can we acknowledge the limitations on the strait

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Lets say shit goes to hell. Russia would need to take on Turkey to even defend itself from the EU

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Because that strait is the only way out of the black sea.

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At least for heavy vessels

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That also means russian subs may find themselves without safe harbour

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Or have to travel around the entire continent

fierce garden
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watching a news piece on those portuguese nationals that got barred on the border to poland, showing they had the national citizen card with them

jagged birch
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They aren't Ukrainian though no?

fierce garden
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they're portuguese

sick sleet
fierce garden
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students, medicine

jagged birch
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You said barred. Don't mean just pushed to the back of the line?

dawn quartz
fierce garden
jagged birch
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It's an 8km+ long line

sick sleet
fierce garden
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they spoke with multiple officials already

jagged birch
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There are almost a million ukrainian nationals entering

fierce garden
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one of them didn't even know that portugal was a member of the EU

dawn quartz
jagged birch
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I can understand poland setting standards for who can come in as a refugee to the crisis. These people could also go back to their own country by appealing to their own consulate in poland

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Not like Portugal doesn't have an embassy in Poland no?

sick sleet
# dawn quartz Im not familiar with the system, but isn't it modular?

the problem with starlink in its current form is, you need local ground stations. they dont have inter-sat links yet, so the user-terminals in that pic bounce the signal up to a sat, and the sat bounces it back down to a ground station "nearby". as in, both the user and the uplink station need to be within range of the same sat. this can be "some hundred kilometers", but not "thousands".

jagged birch
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Being a part of the EU, I thought though one of the benefits was free passage between member states

sick sleet
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(thats one of the reasons why "starlink for tonga" after the volcano went pop was ... not the most feasible idea)

jagged birch
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(I'm Canadian so my understanding of EU passport system is limited)

dawn quartz
fierce garden
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well, most probably we do have an embassy in poland, and this is getting traction so eventually these nationals will be in portugal by the end of the week

sick sleet
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its also still something i have only heard of on the polish side of things. f.ex. romania the situation sounded more like "let everyone get over the border, under a roof, some dry clothing, and we will figure out the buerocratic details once they had their first sleep in three days".

jagged birch
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Looks like Russia is moving military equipment in Belarus toward the Polish border. Probably going to cross into Ukraine to try and sever supply lines before they're established

sick sleet
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there is also talk again about belarus troops getting involved in ukraine

jagged birch
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Belarus needs to get the exact same treatment as Russia right now

finite sail
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yeah and belarus's military is basically made of all of russias old stuff afaik

sick sleet
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belarus really needed to get that treatment as of 10 years ago, but yeah, better now than not.

jagged birch
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I mean in terms of sanctions and such.

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You know what would really crush the Russian advance in Ukraine

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The destruction of Sevastopol.

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The absolute obliteration of the entire city.

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Give them time to leave. after destroying the port

sick sleet
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uh, lets not go there, ok?

jagged birch
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Russia has been using Sevastopol as a staging ground for decades.

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It's their subhub

sick sleet
#

currently, it still seems possible there are other options than "global thermonuclear war", really.

jagged birch
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Nuclear war is not an option

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Nuclear war is endgame

fierce garden
sick sleet
jagged birch
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When Maersk is considering no longer shipping to your port, you gotta think twice

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That's one of, if not the largest shipping giant on earth

dawn quartz
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They are Danes, they will try to do the right thing generally

jagged birch
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That would be like Walmart saying they won't sell your products.

dawn quartz
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Hardly

jagged birch
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I mean obviously not a direct 1:1

dawn quartz
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I have lived in both the US and Denmark, you are way off, with all due respect

sleek river
jagged birch
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In canada walmart has destroyed all the small brick and mortar stores.

dawn quartz
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Walmart has very predatory business practices, but we're veering into ot, apologies.

jagged birch
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It's bigbox bullshit everywhere.

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It's still a serious topic that's tertiarily linked to trade practices

sick sleet
jagged birch
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Who was it that tried to get Tiktok banned in the US?

sleek river
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Trump

quiet oyster
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Trump

jagged birch
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Interesting.

quiet oyster
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I saw a video earlier that was showing how to start a tank in case you find one.

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Internet is wild in the middle of a war.

sick sleet
quiet oyster
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Yep! That's the one.

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Insane to me.

sleek river
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They stole another tank

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But this time their driving it

sick sleet
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i really wouldnt call "drive-by molotoving military convoys from civilian cars" a sane strategy either (in particular try not to set your own car on fire next time!), but its also the kind of thing that really will do a number on troop morale ...

dawn quartz
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Surprised they let them drive up like that at all.
Seems seasoned soldiers would have shot them before they got that close.

sick sleet
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i dont think they are in bad-day-in-kabul every-car-is-an-ied mode ... yet

dawn quartz
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Also not seeing too much IED stuff, though I suppose they could be stockpiling for those convoys

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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waiting for creative uses of drones/rccopters for IEDs.

jagged birch
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"This is my molotov dropping crane drone"

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I would hate to see that

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It's hard enough as-is to get a drone legal

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Operation of drones here is ...not very straight forward.

winter zealot
sick sleet
dawn quartz
sick sleet
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that is pretty wow.

dawn quartz
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That last sentence has me grinning

sick sleet
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(both parts of it)

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(but i am also pretty sure .fi already has some kind of nato-associate status?)

dawn quartz
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Yeah that's my understanding as well

sick sleet
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a childhood friend had dual de/fi citizenship, and when we reached draft age he did his mil service in finland to keep his fi citizenship. and i got half a year of letters (on paper) largely complaining about the (lack of) temperature of his balls. and that mil service in fi was also credited in de because of some kind of agreement... i dont even think fi was in eu back then.

jagged birch
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I don't get what that picture is supposed to say

sick sleet
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it came up in a discussion about "hacking for ukraine", how they expect hackers willing to join the effort to travel to ukraine for it, and whether sitting on the lawn of an ukrainian embassy and using their wifi would be enough...

glass wyvern
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ā€¦ Ehm

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Yeah cause that how it works lol

sick sleet
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"embassy grounds are technically part of the country, right?"

glass wyvern
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Some one actually followed up with that?

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Some very resilient people:
https://youtu.be/vHMX6ZLFDAk

YouTube
Guardian News
Inside Ukraine: life in a bunker as missiles fall on Kharkiv

From inside a makeshift bunker in the basement of their block of flats in Kharkiv, eastern Ukraine, Olia and her neighbours give an insight into their lives as they reach day five of heavy shelling from Russian forces.

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sick sleet
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wrt kiev the russians seem to have declared a "safe evacuation corridor for civilians", which means in a day or two they will declare "everyone left in kiev is a combatant"

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'''Irish leasing companies expected to terminate all leasing deals for Russian aircraft. ā€œMost commercial aircraft in Russia are leasedā€¦has the potential to massively disrupt travel in and out of Russia as well as internally.ā€'''

glass wyvern
dawn quartz
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Oh I had no idea about that lease situation

glass wyvern
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Nor I

dawn quartz
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It really underscores how global our economies are, to see everyone just pull the rug out

sick sleet
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did you read about the russian securities/bond completely imploding?

glass wyvern
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I am both curious to know and also not curious / almost dare not askā€¦ what the breaking point is for Russia here to cease and desist and should it not then where to next.

dawn quartz
finite sail
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Kiev is russian spelling of Kyiv right?

dawn quartz
finite sail
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Ukranians spell Kyiv i think

sick sleet
# dawn quartz I missed that one but seems like a natural consequence lol

nonono. in a very different way. "The Russian central bank has ordered market players to reject foreign clients' bids to sell Russian securities from 0400 GMT on Monday, according to a central bank document seen by Reuters." ... which, from an international point of view, instantly turns the value of these papers to nada/zippo/zero/zilch.

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@finite sail i have no idea what transliteration that is at this point. its Kiew in german. i am pretty sure everyone understands which city i meant there. šŸ˜‰

glass wyvern
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Ukrainians spell it ŠšŠøїŠ²
Russians spell it ŠšŠøŠµŠ²

dawn quartz
sick sleet
glass wyvern
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I think Kyiv is how Ukrainians would spell it if using Latin alphabet though. Can say with 100% there though

glass wyvern
dawn quartz
sick sleet
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i posted someones rough estimate how this week would go in russia last night. so far, looking at the videos of queues in front of ATMs, the monday prediction of "bank runs" is holding up.

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(the next two steps are "food looting" and "police joins looting because they are hungry too".)

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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thats friday.

jagged birch
glass wyvern
dawn quartz
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Yes

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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I feel so bad for those people

glass wyvern
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Iā€™m doubtful it would be senior officials. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark the Kremlin. Part of me is curious how much of a revolt there might be internally from mass lower ranks though. Maybe thatā€™s wishful thinking

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I feel bad bad for the people affected by this on both sides. Those who did not choose it but yet have to suffer the most

jagged birch
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Why is it I never hear of food drops from eastern nations into starving countries?

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Any time I hear on the news of food cargo drops it's from a western nation

sick sleet
jagged birch
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One is inconvenient first world problem. Other is inconvenient third world problem

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Russia getting inconvenienced is the least of my concerns.

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The literal least

sick sleet
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even if it just leads to a different crazy russian being installed in the kremlin next week, it will be a crazy russian who remembers that being too crazy can get you offed within a week.

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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It would be nice if putin just up and quit, but here's the thing. The legislature in russia changed such that even if the man wasn't in power, he'd have already consolidated it by redistributing power to the different regions, which strips the power of the presidential office

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All he'd need to do was lock down loyalty with politicians.

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Something he has had no trouble doing

sick sleet
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as in, if anyone there is going to starve within a week, they probably pissed off every single of their neighbours in some way.

jagged birch
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Time to make rock soup

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I wonder if that's a thing people do

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It's a story I know about sharing

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Poor families coming together to feed a village

sick sleet
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(which is certainly unfortunate for that person, but i will leave that up to everyone direct peers, really...)

glass wyvern
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Nah I donā€™t think itā€™s like that. I think itā€™s that they get fucked over by the mega rich and they are shat on from monumentally great heights by a government that spins huge webs of crap and throws them under busses.

jagged birch
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I don't know that the megarich are going to be doing so well with no logistics in Russia

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If companies like Maersk refuse to ship

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This isn't exactly harvest season

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Of course

sick sleet
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the sanctions right now are sure drastic and meant to send a message. but in practice, i expect it to be mainly that: a message.

glass wyvern
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But why does it need to get worse continuously?

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The sanctions will result in the ultra poor being so demoralised with life they take theirs or rebel perhaps, the trouble is they donā€™t see the gains from rebelling maybe because they donā€™t see how they can make a difference.

jagged birch
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Farmers are going to get screwed hard this year

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In Russia, that is

glass wyvern
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This is what makes me feel very sorry for them

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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The mega rich, I couldnā€™t give a fuck about them.. they probably paid for this shit

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I mean what sort of a bell end needs a yacht that costs 1mā‚¬ to refuel each timeā€¦

jagged birch
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War is ugly. There are a lot of not so rich people fully aware of the long term consequences of living like this in russia. As a result protests are faster becoming violent

sick sleet
jagged birch
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There have been so many arrests in russia that Human Rights Watch have taken notice

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Between February 24 and February 28, according to figures collected by OVD-Info, an independent human rights project working to protect freedom of assembly in Russia, authorities arbitrarily detained at least 5982 anti-war protestors across Russia. On February 27, the Prosecutor General's Office published a warning that any persons determined to be providing financial or any other support to foreign state, foreign or international organizations to the detriment of Russia's security and defense capacity will be prosecuted on ''high treason,ā€ punishable with up to 20 years' imprisonment.

glass wyvern
sick sleet
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thats one of the things leading to my guesses above. they absolutely know they will be beaten up, gulaged, disappeared. yet they keep coming.

glass wyvern
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My main sorrows are for those being invaded and killed of course.

jagged birch
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What a dumb prosecutor

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How did he get that job?

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Oh wait...Putin

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Empty headed threats about high treason

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You know a prosecutor is blowing hot air when they say things like "any other support"

sick sleet
jagged birch
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The definition is so broad that it's completely without teeth

glass wyvern
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Donā€™t be surprised if that starts happening soon enough

sick sleet
jagged birch
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Russia demands foreign media platforms stop restricting russian state media lol

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All foreign media platforms respond: You have no power here

glass wyvern
sick sleet
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(my pick of "we're not gonna take it" there wasnt random. did you people see the dee snider comment on it?)

jagged birch
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Like anyone would care about Austria

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Russians always looking for spies

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I wonder if they're still running numbers stations

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Paranoid people will always find fault in places there are none because they cannot relax

jagged birch
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station

Numbers station

A numbers station is a shortwave radio station characterized by broadcasts of formatted numbers, which are believed to be addressed to intelligence officers operating in foreign countries. Most identified stations use speech synthesis to vocalize numbers, although digital modes such as phase-shift keying and frequency-shift keying, as well as Mo...

sick sleet
jagged birch
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No but that would be amusing

sick sleet
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it is, and it started weeks ago.

jagged birch
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Oops. You can't broadcast on your numbers station?

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I find it silly someone would still be using numbers stations. They're all monitored.

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Even if they aren't decrypted right away, that doesn't mean that their use won't result in future consequences.

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Even if those consequences are never published as they appear

sick sleet
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the whole point of a properly run numbers station is you can not decrypt it at all.

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note the "more than a month ago" timestamp there.

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it has been ongoing in the last days.

jagged birch
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Wouldn't be able to take over a frequency anyway. Just provide a more powerful transmission on that frequency.

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Though maybe thats what they mean

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Though it's dumb to flood the frequency with a specific message

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If the message is too specific, it can be parsed out

glass wyvern
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Or you could jam it

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Destructive interference etc

jagged birch
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That would be the smart decision

sick sleet
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we are really just back at "sending a message" and "we're not gonna take it" there. šŸ˜„

glass wyvern
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Lmao ok ok Dee we get it

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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I mean TBF itā€™s a good song

jagged birch
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Is it tho

sick sleet
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its far from my regular playlists, but i get the point. šŸ˜„

glass wyvern
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Yeah you know you love it even though itā€™s a brain worm

jagged birch
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We didn't start the fire. Best song ever. Most appropriate for everything.

glass wyvern
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It was always burning

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That is a good track. I agree. Anyway I fear we digress from topic

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Sorry

jagged birch
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Give it a couple years. We'll have a song for these times soon.

sick sleet
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we sortof do, but otoh, the context was random every russians figuring out how many middle fingers they have, and then its on-topic.

jagged birch
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Context was random every russians figuring out how ma...wot?

sick sleet
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šŸ˜…

jagged birch
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Looks like they finally hit liveuamap

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Down as of 1 hour ago

glass wyvern
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Remember the video I mentioned the other day about the guy stopping next to the Russian soldiers in their tank and asking if they wanted towed back to Russia. Did you see that one?

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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This seems to be common. So many didnā€™t know where they were headed and for what

jagged birch
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Tow a tank in a lada?

dawn quartz
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I've driven a Lada lol

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Skoda too

jagged birch
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I don't think a lada can tow a tank

glass wyvern
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Hey the Lada 4x4 is a beast

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Iā€™ve driven one of them and it goes for decades man

dawn quartz
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We had a tiny Lada in DK, but it seemed like it weighed double what it ought to lol
Maybe it just handled that way

sick sleet
sleek river
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Ladas are smelly

glass wyvern
sleek river
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Jiguls too

jagged birch
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Imagine electric lada

glass wyvern
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Even where I grew up in Scotland on the farms there were a few guys with Ladas because they ran and were cheap

sleek river
jagged birch
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No idea

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Trying to find liveua

glass wyvern
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If you scroll down on that tweetā€¦ the image of Stalin at the door and Putin playing the computer nearly made me spit my drink out. I wonā€™t repost so as not to violate the channel rules but take a look

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Itā€™s on the comment from Daz B

jagged birch
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Ya know...Zelinsky may inspire future American politicians. I've heard a lot of pretty poignant arguments coming out of comedians

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I mean in the US

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They are largely against politics though, being fully aware of how much of a game it is

glass wyvern
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I have said it to my wife several times. Heā€™s a fucking better leader than the majority of those that have been in power worldwide over the past 50 years

jagged birch
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Putin looks like Chevy chase

glass wyvern
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I mean considering his background, heā€™s a true leader and risen to it like he was doing it his whole life

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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Chevy may do the movie

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Anyway, weird thought. Was thinking about future biographies

sick sleet
jagged birch
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It will be hard to establish that during a conflict.

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Let alone punish anyone

elfin frost
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for sure

sick sleet
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certainly. but its also more of a "we're not gonna take it" thing. a message.

glass wyvern
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Iā€™m starting to think aion is really Dee Snider

jagged birch
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I'd rather see a "So-and-so russian commander arrested on a warrant from interpol for war crimes during invasion of Ukraine"

sick sleet
jagged birch
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I don't think Dee snider would be subtle about anything

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I was going to ask "Is that Twisted Sister?", then I looked at "Music Groups"

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I have the Twisted Sister music album

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It's ....

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I mean Christmas album

finite sail
# sick sleet <@!259917018122289152> i have no idea what transliteration that is at this point...

sorry, i know everyone understood, im just trying to educate myself as i dont know too much about Ukraine. figured youd have a better perspective than i do as i sit in the US. i read an article that said that Ukranians spell it Kyiv and want ppl to spell it that way. didnt know Kiev was also the german spelling. researching now i found this wiki article about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev

KyivNotKiev

KyivNotKiev is an online campaign started by the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) together with the 15 member centre for strategic communications "StratCom Ukraine" on 2 October 2018. Its goal is to persuade English-language media and organisations to exclusively use Kyiv (derived from the Ukrainian language name ŠšŠøїŠ²) instead of Kiev...

jagged birch
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Don't they use a Cyrillic alphabet?

sleek river
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Yes

finite sail
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yeah but this is the translation

jagged birch
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Then it's not Kyiv or Kiev

sleek river
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Mumbles don't

jagged birch
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It's a pointless fight

sick sleet
jagged birch
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What is the national food in Ukraine that isn't in Russia?

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That is to say, that isn't self identified as

finite sail
sick sleet
finite sail
jagged birch
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I'm trying to put pressure on the Canadian PM to drop Canadian imports of Russian oil.

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I suspect I'm not alone.

finite sail
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tru tho

sleek river
jagged birch
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It's driving up the cost of oil

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Oh hah

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Good!

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1 hr ago

finite sail
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what about refined tho

jagged birch
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Confused. Is that even an issue?

dawn quartz
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They probably do that locally

jagged birch
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Or are you just taking the piss šŸ˜›

dawn quartz
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We go through a giant tanker of crude per week on Oahu.
Crazy stuff.

finite sail
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piss

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wait no, refined exports is totally a thing

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in 2012 Russia exported 70.6 Billion

jagged birch
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I get its a thing but I doubt its an issue

finite sail
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USD

jagged birch
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Not exactly the money making corner cutting I can see someone exploiting to get around import restrictions

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Though Canada for over a decade used to import parts from China, and to get around laws about "made in Canada" labels, companies would assemble Chinese products in Canada

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Gave the impression products were Canadian, that were actually only assembled in Canada

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Ultimately a failing venture as Canadian inspection standards caught up to the poor quality - resulting in so many products failing inspection flatout, companies would just move inspection to China

finite sail
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oh uhh

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private labeling

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thats a thing that def happens all over the place still

jagged birch
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Used to work for a company as a QA inspector. Chinese products were nice looking hot shit.

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Looked nice, but didn't have the muster

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broke easily

finite sail
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yeah not necessarily china but, anyway this is off the topic

jagged birch
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It's a serious topic. Is this channel exclusively for talking about Russia and Ukraine?

marble relic
jagged birch
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Oh. It is

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My bad

finite sail
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no prob homie

jagged birch
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I think that was in the news earlier today with a list of instructions how to join

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I can't see that going over well for prevention of any escalation

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I imagine if you volunteer, they require you to abandon any securities with your own nation

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Expect no safety

sick sleet
dawn quartz
jagged birch
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That's the invasion force

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Hopefully the latter, and sooner rather than later.

jagged birch
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Looks like out of gas. There are a lot that turned around

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This image is confusing

dawn quartz
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Sounds like Ukrainian pilots are starting to get the first of the promised fighters now

jagged birch
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I bet Russia isn't happy about the US spying on and reporting their entire front line

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Maxar is a US satellite company

sick sleet
quiet oyster
civic swift
sick sleet
civic swift
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You think Russia would try and take satellites out of orbit?

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If they did that could be seen as an act of aggression

sick sleet
# civic swift You think Russia would try and take satellites out of orbit?

they actualy demonstrated targets ASAT capability a while back. but "orbit broom" is an older, much lower-tech concept with much more devastating overall effect. you dont need targeted ASAT tech. you really just need an orbital launch capability, and launch a bag of gravel into an orbit retrograde from what you want gone.

civic swift
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But again

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Could be seen as an act of aggression

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Yā€™know

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Taking out satellites would be on par with attacking a countries military or infrastructure

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Depending on who owns the satellite

sick sleet
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i have seen a news item or three that could be interpreted as ... an act of aggression.

civic swift
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Fair point

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But none that iā€™ve seen have been to the point of an actual attack

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Which taking out satellites kinda is

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Or would be

jagged birch
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How to clean the junk out of the atmosphere. Get russia to shoot it down.

civic swift
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By releasing even more junk?

jagged birch
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True

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I can't see Russia launching to space at this time

civic swift
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Honestly better if we keep the junk as relatively intact satellites rather than releasing gravel to destroy it or blowing it into a million pieces

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And yea me neither

jagged birch
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Imagine being an intelligent person in Russia right now. Guaranteed they're not asking "Are we the baddies?"

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It would be enough for a smart Russian to say fuck this and denounce the country

civic swift
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War support is very low in Russia

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So obviously a lot of people have already done just that lol

jagged birch
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Russian sympathizers in canada now are trashing the homes and vehicles of people with ukrainian flags

civic swift
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After analyzing the situation quite a bit I still have yet to find a reason that might make you want to sympathize with Russia

jagged birch
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Anger

civic swift
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?

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At what?

jagged birch
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They likely don't feel anything for russias situation so much as they may have dead relatives that they loved who died fighting in ukraine

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Anger is blinding

civic swift
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I suppose

jagged birch
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Speculation of course. They could just be sleeper cells for all I know.

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Stir shit up to give the notion russia can touch anyone anywhere

civic swift
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I would say I doubt it but who knows what Russia gets up to?

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Obv nothing too good

civic swift
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@quiet oyster

quiet oyster
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Alright

sleek geyser
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Itā€™s the same guys attacker native fishermen, and supporting the trucker convoy

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While blasting godsmack in their F150ā€™s

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I donā€™t get people

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Because Canadaā€™s far right-wing population (notice I didnā€™t say conservative here because theyā€™re fully different things) is such a minority, now that they have any voice at all theyā€™ve been extremely violent

jagged birch
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They're the same people who listen to Nickelback angrilly

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It's a weird anger

sleek geyser
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Itā€™s the anger people make fun of when they wanna be ironically edgy

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But itā€™s like, fully genuine

jagged birch
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Like raging against the machine in a 60,000 dollar truck, speeding away from a 100k job

sleek geyser
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Most people Iā€™ve met that ā€œstand with Putinā€ were already pro Putin to begin with because they like ā€œstrong anti-leftist leadersā€

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And all of them managed to make this about Trudeau somehow

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Politics class sucks

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I hate my major lol

jagged birch
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Of course. Didn't you know, Trudeau is <insert> <insert> <insert>?

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I hate the game of politics

sleek geyser
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I swear, that fuck Trudeau crowd will manage to make anything and everything about him

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Donā€™t like Doug Ford? Itā€™s Trudeauā€™s fault

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Somehow

jagged birch
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If you do like Doug Ford....Trudeau's fault...

sleek geyser
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Despite them being in fully opposite political parties, and pre-pandemic Doug Ford was a far-right ā€œheroā€

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Removing gays from sex ed

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And rolling back the education budget

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And rolling back emissions standards and carbon taxes, and all that stuff

jagged birch
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Rolling back education funding is hands down the dumbest thing to do in this day and age.