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sleek river
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Ah

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Okay

sick sleet
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"Hacktivist group Anonymous has successfully breached and leaked about 200GB of emails from Belarusian weapons manufacturer Tetraedr. This company has provided Vladimir Putin with logistical support in his invasion of Ukraine."

sick sleet
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oh ffs.so it seems ... iodine tablets are sold out in germany now. because the horse-dewormer brigade heard about chernobyl or so. but, the only ones they could buy are the ones used for people with thyroid problems. so those cant get them now.

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there is so much wrong with this i dont even know where to start ... a) the dosage. you would have to eat like 500+ of the freely avail iodine tablets to get the dosage of a "antirad" one. (no, no, dont buy a whole crate now! i never said this...) ... b) iodine tablets would be entirely useless against the kind of radiation in chernobyl these days. ... c) antirad iodine tablets have to be very carefully timed. as in, if you take them too early/late relative to the exposure they will be useless at best, but probably even harmful ...

dawn quartz
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This is the demon semen, 5G etc crowd...

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“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?”

  • Sam Harris
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dawn quartz
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Despite the source, I've always liked this one too:

"Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong."

-Ayn Rand

😁

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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It can break the "OODA loop"

jagged birch
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Get your own quotes
-Sam Harris

jagged birch
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Paradoxes do not exist. They are only a demonstration of a fundamental misunderstanding of the universe.

dawn quartz
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Yes, false premises, same principle

jagged birch
sick sleet
jagged birch
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I'm surprised they aren't sucking on charcoal

dawn quartz
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That's not a safe assumption

sick sleet
sick sleet
dawn quartz
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I posted a really interesting article on the whole dewormer/covid thing a while back, and it was a very rational, eye on the evidence take.
I'm surprised it didn't get more traction nationally, but it makes too much sense I suppose.

TL;DR The studies that do show a benefit, do so with decent evidence.
The problem is those studies were done on populations known to be likely to have worms and worms worsen covid.

It all becomes clear, unless you really don't want it to.

jagged birch
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Would be like saying covid is less deadly on people who are healthy, ignoring what covid does entirely to the human body and then assuming if you survive covid you must be healthy.

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I hate disingenuous studies.

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They're always taken out of context and used for political purposes

sick sleet
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yes and no there. f.ex. i actualy did take vit D boosters in 2020. at the time, the studies said "might help". did some additional research, determined "doesnt hurt even if it doesnt help" (if you are reasonable about dosage!). checked prices, 20 bucks for a year supply at "doesnt hurt, might help" dosage. so my call on that was "why not".

dawn quartz
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Hanlon's razor comes to mind, I'm not convinced the studies were disingenuous.
Confounds etc get overlooked all the time.
Feynman's "easiest person to fool" applies as well.

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sick sleet
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@dawn quartz i read the "oh, they gave 'roids to people with parasites, uh, yeah, that isnt good for the stats" part back then. 😄

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or, more, 😓

dawn quartz
sick sleet
dawn quartz
jagged birch
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I mock people who update but don't read their updates before hand. I appreciate windows and Nvidia let you customize updates to a degree in that regard.

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So much superfluous additions in updates meant only for people of a particular taste

sick sleet
jagged birch
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Uh, no. You shouldn't still be in testing when the consumer is using the update.

sick sleet
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no, i meant, as the customer i still have a "testing" stage for deploying updates. because vendor will never be able to test all usecases. so the testing for my usecases is done on my side.

jagged birch
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That doesn't really have anything to do with people updating stuff they don't use.

sick sleet
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if fedora wants to update libwhateverzefuq here, i let fedora update it, because in general i have no idea if/whether/where libwhateverzefuq might be used for.

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if that causes problems, i roll back to last-working snapshot, which takes 1-3 minutes.

jagged birch
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I went to sleep last night mulling over this situation in Ukraine. Ended up reflecting on my childhood and the concept of "The innocence of youth". I was so ignorant to the world and the impact global affairs have on local constructs.

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Everything from logistics to society

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How people behave. Where prejudices come from. Why certain things cost more.

sick sleet
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for me there were two "memorable" events like that. otoh, the very peaceful breakup of Czechoslovakia into its "czech" and "slovak" parts. they decided they want to be two countries, and were incredibly pragmatic about it. hell, at first they even kept their old money, just put stamps on it to mark which side that money now belonged to.

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otoh, the complete incomprehensible mess in Yugoslavia. people deciding they need to kill their neighbours, at scale. i still dont understand that one.

sleek river
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The snake island guys may be still alive

sick sleet
sleek river
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The Ukrainian border guard posted it on Facebook

sick sleet
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@sleek river that would be 13 persons who never have to pay for a beer ever again.

sleek river
sick sleet
sleek river
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He said that he's forces arrived in Ukraine and apparently one of his warlords was killed

sick sleet
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(oh, right, i read about chechen troops being in UA. and that they were among the least-untrained parts. but i kinda filed that as "russian troops that had been deployed to chechnia", not "actualy chechnen" ... oops on my part.)

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semi-related ... did you all see what the german "support" for ukraine was so far? the 5k helmets idiocy?

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because, as of 1h ago ... "The German military will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" class surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine amid the ongoing Russian invasion, the government has announced."

sleek river
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Well currently at least

sick sleet
# sleek river Well currently at least

i will believe that when i see it reported from third parties, because the helmets thing was idiotic to begin with, and it still took them two weeks? as in, i am not even sure the helmets are there now...

sleek river
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Odessian citizens have like thousands of Molotov bottles

sick sleet
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yeah. i am in general reluctant to consider shipping weapons to a warzone being any kind of good idea. but the pics of their molotov crates was where "uh, perhaps we should send them some ammo at least" did cross my mind.

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also, this guy ... turns out to be pretty cool.

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sleek river
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@sick sleet

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sleek river
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Good

sick sleet
sleek river
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# sleek river The snake island guys may be still alive

https://twitter.com/jeetsidhu_/status/1497597129262518276

jeet ਪ੍ਰਭਜੀਤ🦎🌋🐊 (@jeetsidhu_)

BEFORE:

  • Ukrainian government released video/audio and claimed Snake Island defenders fought to the death.
  • Russia claimed they surrendered, released video

NOW:
Ukrainian Ministry of Defense acknowledges they surrendered

Minor in terms of war but has an impact on morale https://t.co/ZLfO1Rc9yO

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sleek river
sick sleet
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i have no info beyond that.

sleek river
sick sleet
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sortof? i had not seen it confirmed from any "third parties" so far.

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one thing about both sides claims of "we destroyed this-or-that" is ... we have seen very little image material related to it. a crashed il-76 is not subtle.

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i am not looking for gore shots, but ... a crashed/shot-down plane leaves artifacts. a lot of them. and pics of that is something the hardware-nerds can work with. and they will absolutely rip your pics a new one if you try to pass off random pics as "it shows what our propaganda department announced".

dawn quartz
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They are doing a commendable job of collecting and vetting Ukraine info over on the Stak's History Hub server

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The Snake Island surrender bit appears to be TASS propaganda

sick sleet
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ouch.
''On a special Saturday edition of Russian propaganda talk show Vremya Pokazhet, Maria Butina condemns the Kyiv authorities for handing out rifles because "people don't know how to handle them and a child might be killed at home"
I don't think that's on Ukrainians' minds right now''
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''Maria Butina didn’t talk like that when she was fucking her way through the NRA.''

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''russian soldiers trying to match on tinder with women from the country they’re invading and then getting catfished for intel is such a weird “we live in the future” moment''

dawn quartz
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I love the tinder angle lmao

sick sleet
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tinder-triangulation has been demonstrated before, but never in an active warzone.

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"Am told only 34% in Ukrain are vaccinated for COVID. Emergency aid should include plentiful vax supplies."

deep saddle
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Vice said one of their journalists was arrested in Moscow last night. And Germany is supplying weapons. I was skiing today so I might be behind on the news.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Or both

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So it took them a while.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Yes 400

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Ok

sick sleet
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😄

deep saddle
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Everything is like molasses cuz of politics.

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So what's the deal with Ukraine in Nato but Georgia can't get in?

sick sleet
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ukraine absolutely can not get into nato.

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(for the last several years. and currently. by nato rules.)

deep saddle
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Ah. I misunderstood

sick sleet
deep saddle
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Or like a slow moving turd that gets stuck

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And is painful to watch happen in real time

sick sleet
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afaik i am much closer to the "military" version of decision making than the "political" one. as in, look at the info you have, then make a decision and start doing things. much better than doing nothing.

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can result in shit happens and you having to explain why you made decision X at time Y based on info Z.

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worked reasonably well for me so far. and i did have to explain x/y/z more than once.

deep saddle
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I understand.

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I can get stir crazy if I sit and twiddle my thumbs overanalyzing everything. And watching life pass you by as you can't make a decision

sick sleet
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i can absolutely do both. but when in contingency mode, "do what looks right right now" has been better than average so far.

deep saddle
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Wow a recent poll shows 3/4 of Russians blame the US and Nato. I didn't expect that judging all the protests. But they're in the minority.

sick sleet
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recommend to take any numbers like that with a grain of salt.

deep saddle
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True

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Just a rough place to start

sick sleet
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the pics of the russian protests were very surprising to me. that takes a lot of proverbial balls.

deep saddle
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I don't have access to the polling to see how it was done. Cuz any voluntary studies are faulty.

deep saddle
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To listen to people criticize putin in Moscow interviewed and not hide their face in Public

sick sleet
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and i am also still surprised how much UA is dominating the online propaganda field. which is something i would have rated RU very skilled at.

deep saddle
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Yea

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I mean they hacked yahoo email back in 2016 which affected my email pretty bad. I had to open a new one

sick sleet
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i still suspect there may be some cyber-cyber going on in the background.

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not talking about anonymous there. but something seems to have disabled/neutralized large parts of the russian troll army network.

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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"Do not believe the fakes. I am here. We will not lay down arms. We will defend our state because our weapon is truth, and our truth is that this is our land, our country, our children & we will defend it all. That’s what I wanted to tell you. Glory to Ukraine."
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497450853380280320

Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa)

Не вірте фейкам. https://t.co/wiLqmCuz1p

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sick sleet
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@dawn quartz someone described it as the protest of constript's moms. and pointed out to be afraid of russian moms. 😄

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but not only on the russian side either. did you see/read the thing with the "sunflower curse"?

dawn quartz
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Lol wise words.
I saw a similar sentiment about what might happen if Russia's aging population would suffer long term, due to national economic hardship.
"streets full of angry babushki" lol

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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someone called it the first war where soldiers on both sides could yell at each other on twitter.

dawn quartz
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If my impression of how poorly executed this has all been on Russia's part is accurate, I actually fear for the near future.

deep saddle
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Is it a bunch of foreign prisoners they sent out untrained?

winter zealot
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Yesterday I felt hopeless - now I feel hope and am proud of how EU finally united to give weapons aid to Ukraine and showing green light to kicking Russia out of SWIFT.
And I am very happy to hear all the news about the stiff resistance from Ukrainians and the wavering morale of Russian troops.

bold moss
sick sleet
deep saddle
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Yea thas why I'm wondering if they brainwashed any foreigners they arrested and stuff.

sick sleet
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i dont really think that requires any brainwashing.

deep saddle
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Just torture. Use them as fodder unfortunately before the real troops

sick sleet
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oh, wait, you meant brainwashing on the russian side? afaik thats just called "basic training".

deep saddle
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Yea.

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Idk the journalist and protestors getting arrested gave me unmarked vans in Oregon creepy vibes.

winter zealot
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Saw a video earlier today about a lone Russian soldier sitting and just crying on stairs of some building while Ukrainian civilians told him he was not welcome.

deep saddle
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I deff don't think some of them are there by choice sadly.
Like North Korea holds families hostage to invoke compliance out of fear.

winter zealot
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I have gone through a year long military service as a conscript of the Finnish Defence Forces, and I know how even a short military exercise, lack of sleep etc can gnaw morale very quickly to the point of losing all will to fight and just give up. Now these troops have been in a military exercise for weeks on the border of Ukraine, believing they'd get back home and to get some rest soon, but instead they get sent to an even more stressful situation where they can lose their lives attacking a country that is putting a very stiff resistance against them and clearly saying what they are doing is wrong.

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And yeah, another aspect is that they are afraid of what would happen to their families.

sick sleet
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if UA is really making them "call their parents" that is a real great move. because that will absolutely fuel protests.

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because yes. thousands arrested.

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but, uh, even gulags have a a capacity limit? and "just shoot them all in the streets" doesnt work too well in times of tiktok?

winter zealot
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Anonymous is helping tremendously with hacking TV channels and spreading awareness about what is actually happening in Ukraine.

deep saddle
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Nah. That would of been a nazi tactic. But we have more technology and stuff now on it all.

sick sleet
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and, just to roughly summarize ... managing to piss off the US, EU, UN, NATO, the vatican, the taliban and pornhub at the same time is some kind of record benchmark for "ok, this might have been a bad move".

deep saddle
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Didn't know they pissed off the Taliban.

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Doesn't sound like Putin is stable anymore if he ever was sadly.

winter zealot
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Taliban condemned Putler's actions against Ukraine

deep saddle
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I didn't know that.

sick sleet
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they did! the friggen taliban put out a press release asking them to perhaps talk about it instead of shooting each other.

deep saddle
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That surprises me honestly.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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No idk who that is sorry.

winter zealot
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Ukrainians can be very proud of their president as well - not retreating like most politicians would and continuing the fight. What a chad.

A few hours ago he asked Elon Musk to provide Starlink for Ukraine in case internet is cut from the people. Sounds like something Elon Musk would totally do "because I can".

sick sleet
# deep saddle No idk who that is sorry.

female journalist from new zealand, who had been declared infertile before, got unplanned pregnant while reporting about afghanistan, couldnt get back to NZ because they dont even let their own citizens back in because of C19, eventually got sanctuary by the taliban (who were fully aware of her situation) ...

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deep saddle
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Yea. Like part of our studies before going to Morocco was on Elon and solar panels. Cuz part of our trip was focused on green energy.

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He does the right thing often enough I suppose. Not always for the right reasons

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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

sick sleet
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and sometimes for the right reason, but in a wrong way.

deep saddle
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Yeap

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He can be a bit unpredictable and hard to track with stuff.

sick sleet
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but that also vibes with my general "doing something that might be useful is better than doing nothing" approach.

deep saddle
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Ah yea.

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Did Ukraine get their city back Russia took yet?

glass wyvern
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You referring to Mariupol? I’m not sure of the situation there but I’ll check

deep saddle
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Yea the only one I've heard news on so far.

sick sleet
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i saw something scroll by about some city retaken, but i am unsure which it was.

glass wyvern
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From what I can read it’s been under heavy shelling most of the day but it doesn’t say it’s under full Russian control

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It’s hard to find for sure if it has been taken or even taken back

jagged birch
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Russia can't take a city. They can't even handle their own.

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All they get done is bother people

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Even if Russia were 100% successful, took out the existing leadership and tried to install a puppet state in Ukraine, it would just result in the weakening of the rest of the federation

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It was a dumb quest

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There is no winning scenario

glass wyvern
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Videos earlier of many heavy armoured vehicles crossing the border near Kharkiv wasn’t pretty to watch.

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I also seriously hope they are not using the TOS-1 and it was just a scare tactic for the purposes of propaganda

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The use of thermobaric missiles should be heavily condemned in this situation.

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To be honest, shit like that shouldn’t really be necessary in any situation.

sick sleet
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yeah, using the TOS-1 is like z0mgwtfbbq and if used on anything with a population wouldnt look good tiktok at all ...

glass wyvern
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They are fucking evil things. It was like the next step up from napalm when napalm was no longer “effective”.

sick sleet
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yeah, but as a kaboom nerd i can appreciate thermobarics in general, and its one step short of using tactical nukes.

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we are deeply in "KGB dude being punked by the comedian dude" land there. 😅

glass wyvern
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Well in terms of the physics behind it, I can’t deny it’s a clever device but I still cannot see the need for such things. Proof of concept is one thing but full blown and widespread usage in such situations is utterly barbaric

sick sleet
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very much not a "surgical" tool. more a "i want everyone over there very, very dead". more so when used in the TOS-1 form factor.

glass wyvern
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Indeed

sick sleet
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(i was surprised to see them at all. i had them filed as an historical artifact. like that ... oh god, whats the name ... vietnam era murican recoil-less rifle tank used for shredder-flechette ammo? ontos? yes, ontos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos )

glass wyvern
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It’s 24 or 30 of them in quick succession isn’t it in the TOS-1?

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They used the TOS-1 in both Afghanistan and Syria I believe

winter zealot
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Going to try to get some sleep now, had difficulty sleeping last night imagining how it must be like in Kyiv right now.

glass wyvern
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I was the same. Woke up multiple times and get thinking about what’s going on

deep saddle
glass wyvern
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Sleep well, Tengu

sick sleet
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(interestingly, the english WP article on the ontos doesnt mention the flechette ammo at all... its a thing though. M581 beehive...)

glass wyvern
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I see it’s looking like a special UN general assembly is on the cards. Vote for the procedure tomorrow and it needs 9 votes to pass with vetoes not being an option due the fact it’s a procedural vote and not a sanctioning vote. It will mean that the 193 assembly would gather to discuss the way forward

sleek river
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Will Russia be able to invade any other countries after it's sanctioned and cut out of swift?

glass wyvern
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If it has military then it can theoretically do what it wants in that regard, the question is if they wish to suffer the consequences of the action and that is dependant on who they invade

sleek river
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What happens if they invade my country?

glass wyvern
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I think it’s the same scenario as Ukraine right now but I cannot say for 100% certainty. It could be seen as an escalation as it’s attempted expansion into two sovereign states

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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It may be viewed differently in light of on going situation close by

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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Ukraine isn't just a fight for a country. It isn't just a fight for democracy in the eastern hemisphere. Ukraine is a testament to the human spirit. The idea that fuels a nation to break away from its oppressors for decades and spit in the face of adversity.

Russia was dumb in going into Ukraine. They will have pushed the plight and truth of a people they've been hiding behind propaganda into their own mainstream; that will infect the whole federation for decades to come and change their own nation against them.

For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

sleek river
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I don't want go back to my mother in a coffin

jagged birch
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Ukraine did not succeed because of Russia. It succeeds inspite of Russia

glass wyvern
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Joe, I know it’s hard to not be on edge right now but let’s see how things go man. Don’t worry too much. I know that’s not an easy thing and it’s definitely easier said than done. All I can say to you is that there is always hope. Eventually the good will prevail

sleek river
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Hopefully

glass wyvern
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Let’s all hope

jagged birch
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Rest assured while not likely mentioned in the news, there is a good chance things are happening right now that no country is allowed to take credit for but serve the interests of the Ukrainian people.

glass wyvern
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Let’s hope indeed this is happening. More often than not it is

jagged birch
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It was not an accident that Ukrainian military captured Russian spies and saboteurs yesterday

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Good man

jagged birch
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Yes. Yes I am. Thank you.

glass wyvern
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Lol

marble relic
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God damn, Elon did a good

jagged birch
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I wonder how long it will be before one of the satellites launched by china is revealed to be a weapon platform.

sick sleet
marble relic
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sleek river
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Yeah

marble relic
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I feel like Georgia is close enough of a partner with NATO that Russia wouldn't dare

sick sleet
sleek river
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NATO won't help us

marble relic
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Georgian forces help and train with NATO ones

deep saddle
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Might buy him some future ear bending with Biden shrugs

sleek river
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We're alone like Ukraine in this conflict. Georgia only has 3.7mill population and 37000 troops we won't be able to put up a resistance

glass wyvern
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Where you located @sick sleet?

sick sleet
# deep saddle And what he gets out of it in return.

that may not even be an immediate consideration for a PR stunt. but currently the starlink setup is ... uh ... not what it was meant to be // could be either. it heavily relies on downlink stations in the area of service since they still dont have much any sat-to-sat element.

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Ahh we close then. I’m in Prague

deep saddle
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Ah ok

sleek river
glass wyvern
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Let’s hope that’s true

sleek river
glass wyvern
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I’ve seen several videos today of a guy stopping and asking forces where they are headed and they say they don’t know and he tells them Kyiv and they are like “fuck off no we aren’t” and they guy says “funny, the last lot didn’t realise either “

jagged birch
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Notice how quiet china and india are being right now

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Like they're waiting to see how things progress before getting involved

sleek river
glass wyvern
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Yeah I saw this earlier. They have summoned the Russian consulate to meet with them

sick sleet
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thats actualy something countries can/could do entirely without waiting for some larger org to be done discussing things.

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"we do not appreciate it. now fuck off and tell your boss."

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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Hiding their finances

glass wyvern
sick sleet
jagged birch
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It's only a matter of time before like a virus spreading the consequences of dealing with Russia financially, hit other nations supporting them

sleek river
glass wyvern
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Let me try to find the article

jagged birch
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Russia would use China to get into US markets

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Because of the interdependence of the US and China

glass wyvern
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Here you go, this was yesterday

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I found it interesting to say the least

jagged birch
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Thought you said they just stopped providing proof...

glass wyvern
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No no, stopped issuing the abilities to invest in Russia

jagged birch
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Issuing paperwork to me read like "They aren't providing evidence of their finances"

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I see.

sick sleet
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international finance is weird

jagged birch
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hmm...All I see here is "Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd.’s offshore units stopped issuing U.S. dollar-denominated letters of credit for purchases of physical Russian commodities ready for export, two people familiar with the matter said."

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They can hide it in any other currency

glass wyvern
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It’s all about who lends who what and where and why and risk and snooze and yawn

jagged birch
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China is the worlds largest currency exchange

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I don't trust it.

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Smells fishy

glass wyvern
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I think it’s deeper than that, I think they are not aligned with their state

jagged birch
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Their state? They're state run banking institutions.

sleek river
sick sleet
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read a piece by a "compliance" person by a larger german bank today, and one part was "if we block them on SWIFT, they can still do transaction by fax, but that doesnt scale, so it would be limited to large transactions" ... and i was "wait, financial transactions by fax? how does that even work?"

jagged birch
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Trust me...it works...and it's sloooow as fuck

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It's not worth using

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I used to do fax transactions and it took weeks to clear

sleek river
glass wyvern
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Reminds me of the old hand card transaction machines before EPOS system

jagged birch
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and that's weeks to clear fax transactions with a bank I am with for decades in the country I was born in

sick sleet
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@jagged birch it gave me flashbacks to the inter-bank settling-day thing from cryptonomicon

sleek river
jagged birch
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and no

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5000 troops saying no to going to kyiv won't result in a coup

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Just 5000 disciplinary actions

sick sleet
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@sleek river troops defecting? no. not on that scale. 5000 troops calling home and telling mom about it? more pressure at home. a lot more.

jagged birch
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There would need to be tens of thousands of troops saying no before a coup was even on the table

sleek river
glass wyvern
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I mean they could tell their comrades and there could be more that refuse but I doubt a coup, as mumbles says it would be disciplinary. I think a coup is going to need to be done internally

sick sleet
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yeah, i dont see a coup there, more a serious loss of push on the war itself.

jagged birch
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I don't think the Russian military as "capable" as they are, have the numbers and training to brave a coup

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Russia will pull out and separatists will dig their heels in for a few weeks and be pushed right back to the eastern border again

sleek river
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Could I send my family to America for refuge?

glass wyvern
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I mean I guess you can’t rule anything out totally as there might still be a chance but I think that would have to start higher up the ranking and be based back in Russia and not on the front line

jagged birch
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I have little faith in russian military leadership to challenge the president on this - Especially given his former role as a KGB officer.

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They'd lose face

deep saddle
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Idk how it works honestly.

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My close friend here in MA helped a refuge family settle in nearby. Wasn't Lebanon. I forget which middle eastern country. But they don't speak one of the common dialects.

sick sleet
jagged birch
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The US typically has a four-ten year lineup for refugee status

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I do know that the provincial government in Ontario is pushing for the feds in Canada to increase refugee allowance here

deep saddle
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I think a lot of countries are still on crisis and Ukraine and Georgia unfortunately might be at the back end of the list to take in.

sick sleet
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that whole thread ... https://twitter.com/Hogan698/status/1497291283106250761

Hogan (@Hogan698)

@shaunwalker7 American tank mechanic here. Some advice.

Tanks are bad at urban combat. They need infantry support. Without boots on ground they're just big targets with poor visibility. Rifles should aim for the periscopes, but most importantly the sight unit on top of the turret.

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Specifically in response to Ukraine. There's a huge Ukrainian village in Ontario

deep saddle
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Yemen is a reguge crisis. Syria still is. And many others.

sleek river
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Well damn

jagged birch
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Realistically there's no list. It's based on need...and the worse state a region is in, the higher up they go in line. It's a triage system

deep saddle
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And Parisians are getting tired of the groups of Syrian refuges turning to gangs and robbery and such. And the amount of homeless in the subway. It's a tense situation in France.

deep saddle
glass wyvern
jagged birch
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I've had Americans ask if they could get refugee status in Canada...I laughed. I'm like...No. You'd be laughed away at the border and told to move to another state if you don't like Florida.

deep saddle
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Nope. Canada has an 8 year wait for citizenship I believe.

glass wyvern
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Probably easier to seek for refugee status in Western European countries

jagged birch
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It is easier for a refugee from Syria to get into Canada right now as a refugee or immigrant than it is for an American.

sleek river
deep saddle
jagged birch
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I can see Poland is going to get a lot of support to help with refugees from Ukraine.

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Canada is sending tens of millions in support and aid

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No. Let me rephrase

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That's just Ontario

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The rest of the country is sending more

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Ontario is technically the richest province in the country, but it also has the largest ukrainian population

deep saddle
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Wow

jagged birch
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Bloor west in Toronto is called Little Ukraine.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLZSgAs8eNA

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deep saddle
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And the part of Ukraine that succeeded to Russia years ago

glass wyvern
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Crimea you mean?

deep saddle
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Yea it was Crimea wasn't it? The mind is a sieve.

glass wyvern
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Yeah 2014/15 roughly

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It’s still under Russian annexation. Earlier today the Russian forces destroyed a dam in Ukraine so the water from the canal flows back to crimea again.

deep saddle
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So that keeps them loyal I'd assume.

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What is Israel's comments on Putin claiming Nazi's in Ukraine?

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I visited the Yad Vashem when I was in Israel. It was really intense. I can't imagine the country is taking a back seat right now with all this going on.

dawn quartz
sick sleet
dawn quartz
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Nah just free access

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Haven't been waiting on my end

sick sleet
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FR really drowned in a deluge of requests the last 72h, like 10-20x their normal hits. 😅

dawn quartz
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lol I bet

jagged birch
sick sleet
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@sleek river ^^^ kadyrov

jagged birch
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gross

sick sleet
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(and my 'shop detector says legit...)

jagged birch
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It doesn't matter if it's legit.

sick sleet
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it might matter to the ... boots on the ground ... if your glorious leader gets in an online "who wore it better" contest with "every cool girl" (according to Vogue) ...

deep saddle
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I got myself some paramilitary combat boots. Better car the jungle than Ukraine

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I wish those were covered in Swarovski crystals. Than they'd be perfect.

sick sleet
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"Chair of urban war studies giving advice via Twitter on best practice for throwing your Molotov cocktail. I feel like an information warfare loop has been closed here."
https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1497583307504046087

John Spencer (@SpencerGuard)

So I've been asked what my advice would be to civilian resistors in Ukriane, especially Kyiv. Someone with no military training but wanting to resist. Here are a few things #Kyiv #UkraineUnderAttack :

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deep saddle
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Why does this remind me, before I went to Israel I watched the official what to do when a siren goes off to signal rockets from Hamas. And no didin't bring a gas mask on the trip as instructed. I was on a concert tour with 150 men and had to bring my tuxedo.

sick sleet
dawn quartz
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I'm old enough to have bought a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook at a local bookstore.
Not that I would do such a thing

sick sleet
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(anarchists cookbook is like the grade-school version of total resistance. but yes. that foaf may have had a copy of that too. 😉 )

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UA is really still topping the online propaganda situation there.

sick sleet
deep saddle
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What is sad is all the people posting fake or old war videos just for likes and fans. And capilizing on this invasion. There's a lot of misinformation.

sick sleet
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certainly, wouldnt file this particular one in the category though?

deep saddle
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Hun?

sick sleet
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if you had asked me a week ago about the president of UA, i might have vaguely remembered the "some comedian, political outsider, pretty much a protest vote thing" parts. he seems to deliver though.

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because while stuff like this certainly has a currently not unreasonable PR angle, i doubt the "turned down CIA evac offer" part is a 7d-chess move ...

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deep saddle
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I wasn't talking about your posts. I was searching for updated info online and came across videos like soldier paratrooper from 2015 that people are hopping on for YouTube likes.

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Zelensky isn't a draft doger. He seems genuinely passionate about his country and the people.

sick sleet
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(ukrainian politics are a complete whack topic all on its own. like ukrainian parliament fist fights might be enough to have its own YT category...)

deep saddle
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Yea. Honestly YouTube is always a mess anyways. The UN videos get trolled hard.

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And their videos are about other parts of the world. Like building Bicycle paths in Brazil to reduce emissions. And they get dumped on for not condemning the US like Putin

jagged birch
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Saying them implies that Youtube can and should be used as a political tool by those with the authority to do so. That would contradict the argument that it should remain open and give people a voice.

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and if it's not open; if it's censored for political gain...condemning people on political grounds does nothing short of condemn the service as a whole as hypocritical

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The people playing youtube likes games are like lobbyists. They're a bunch of cats playing the numbers game. Whatever influence likes have on a video is being played up for the purpose of manipulating analytics.

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Playing into that game only legitimizes popular opinion as a political tool

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I don't know about everyone else, but I'd rather an informed opinion be reinforced more than a popular one. The likes to dislikes ratio has been largely deplatformed as a means of controlling exposure on youtube for a reason

sleek river
sleek river
jagged birch
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The ukrainians are likely getting satellite intel informing them the location of every single one of these anti aircraft systems

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It doesn't take an aircraft to destroy one. With them armed, a single artillery shell would blow the entire platform

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Supplies have already started pouring in

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Guaranteed russia is going to try and cut the supply line through crimea

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That or they'll be taking soldiers to the western border from Belarus

glass wyvern
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Waiting to see if more comes here but this appeared 42mins ago, as shown

deep saddle
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That's a big risk. I wouldn't trust Putin. But if they're losing badly enough, his government might be more open to talks.

glass wyvern
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Let’s see what comes of it. The leaders themselves won’t meet from the sounds of this but a diplomatic delegation from each side.

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Could mean things get a bit protracted

deep saddle
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Yea that makes more sense right now.

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I couldn't see Zelensky risking his neck literally to meet Putin

jagged birch
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Do people actually want to meet Putin? As I get older, I am less and less impressed with celebrity. Least of all, the celebrity of power.

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I only hope that the generations that have come after me are even less impressed by celebrity. Reality TV has kind of make celebrities disgusting even conceptually

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"They're just like you, only you can't smell their shit yet...until you can, then they're kardashians"

glass wyvern
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I’ve met a number of celebrities in my life and I’ve never been starstruck. I just speak to them like any other normal person. I mean they are just doing their job after all.

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I get more excited seeing wild animals that are rare to be honest

sleek river
deep saddle
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I mean. I've met some celebrities over the years through connections but I'll pass on most politicians

jagged birch
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I once met Shaun Majumder. He was the first celebrity I actually talked to and I was so young I didn't even know his name.

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I was like..."You're that guy on TV" and he was like "Yeah! I am that guy on TV!"

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Being a comedian he totally went with it

deep saddle
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I got to perform on stage with Alex Newell from glee. And Laura Benanti from Nashville. And my college brought in David Ortiz for an event that student government was invited to. Being in the government or honors program has it's perks

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I used to be a chorus boy.

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And I grew up with studying music

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Anywyas. I'll be driving home today so I'll miss any news updates for a while.

sly vortex
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God gives us hope and will protect his people. let’s pray for Ukraine

dawn quartz
sick sleet
hardy badger
quiet oyster
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I wanna call them idiots but I think this is/was mostly a way for them to surrender without surrendering.

verbal shadow
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i didn't think of that as a possibility i mean

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but it would make the most sense

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and if that's the case, what would it mean exactly? do they just not agree with the war?

quiet oyster
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"Apparently", a good amount of the Russian soldiers weren't aware they were heading to fight and assumed they was on a training exercise.

verbal shadow
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wow

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that is so sad

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gives me chills again thinking about it all

timber delta
sleek river
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Russian Chief of General staff has been sacked apparently

timber delta
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its pretty evident most russians arent really savvy about shooting up the country where they possibly have relatives at

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some of them DO have relatives

verbal shadow
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yeah, that'd make sense too. having relatives and loved ones so near

timber delta
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the only enthusiasm I'm hearing from are serbs (lol) and chechens (lmao)

merry gulch
verbal shadow
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i'm seriously still heartbroken about this. my heart sinks every time i read the news and discuss this war.

sleek river
merry gulch
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uhhhhh apparently putin just put his nuclear deterrent forces on high alert

timber delta
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well that seems very normal actually

sleek river
merry gulch
sleek river
timber delta
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even then it seems like something you'd do just to go "hey everyone you better not try to gang up on me remember MAD?"

jovial hemlock
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I'm kinda scared if I have to admit.

sleek river
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If he's gonna try to do that he'll get a bullet in his head by his own people

timber delta
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he is already a lunatic but even he cant be a nuke throwing lunatic, if that happens then the whole damn continent will be wiped

winter zealot
quiet oyster
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Luckily it's not a straight forward case of "fire the nukes" and then someone firing the nukes.

timber delta
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that's also probably why all the warring right now is fringe attempts at key locations

merry gulch
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if its a bluff then why are we at defcon 2?

timber delta
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and not a full on invasion tanks blazing

jovial hemlock
timber delta
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yes at least in that regard

verbal shadow
timber delta
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he cant be serious that no one will nuke him back

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that's like the whole point of nukes

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if he sends one he will get a dozen back

dawn quartz
timber delta
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no point of a soviet union with no people in it

winter zealot
sleek river
winter zealot
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This is Winter War all over again

timber delta
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no it wont be over this easy

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yeah they got SWIFTed but it wont be that quick to shut them down

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his life is on the line lmao

verbal shadow
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thank you guys, for helping me feel more hopeful for Ukraine.

timber delta
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its really hard to support Ukraine

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their balls of steel are too damn heavy to lift

winter zealot
# timber delta his life is on the line lmao

As I see it, the only way Russian oligarchs could potentially try to save themselves and try avoiding sanctions would be displacing Putler, swallow their pride by paying full repercussions for the war and blaming Putler for everything.

timber delta
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hence his life being on the line

dawn quartz
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The lowest level in use of force is "presence" and that's a reason why one might decide to announce your presence with your aircraft in the area, say by turning on the transponders for some of them.

timber delta
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if he doesnt win, this is the very likely scenario to happen

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we already started to get unconfirmed reports of how the generals were "shocked" about the sudden invasion orders

sleek river
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He already fired his general chief of staff

timber delta
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confirmed?

winter zealot
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Yup

timber delta
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holy shit

winter zealot
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Just like one dictator in Germany started firing his generals at his last moments...

merry gulch
dawn quartz
merry gulch
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but what are they refueling? haven't seen anything come near them on radar and they're just going around in loops

winter zealot
verbal shadow
sleek river
timber delta
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Putin's

dawn quartz
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And they are not refueling only that single f35 with it's transponder on lol

sleek river
winter zealot
timber delta
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if he loses the war this is very likely going to be the outcome

verbal shadow
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really???

timber delta
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since even he wont be able to fire everybody

verbal shadow
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wow

sleek river
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Honestly I was very afraid of Ukraine falling because next would be my country, but now I have hope

dawn quartz
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Think of it this way, there are often 3 tankers flying around the area at the same time lol.
That's not for refueling the 3-4 aircraft we see.

timber delta
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yeah it feels a bit relieving knowing they have been competently pushing them back

sleek river
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Not particularly fond being sent back in a coffin to be truthful

sick sleet
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"Johnson called a fake photo op at RAF Brize Norton, then a Boeing C17 pretending to "deliver military aid on the frontline" took off, which ham radio enthusiasts tracked flying to Poland, circling without landing, then flew back to UK"
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1497896015214620676

Larry the Cat (@Number10cat)

This posed photo opportunity took place in Oxfordshire, in case you’re wondering where the “frontline” is https://t.co/kYXwdbLBPy

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# verbal shadow wow

Protesters in Russia have already started fighting against the arrests - there was a video of the state police trying to carry a protestor to a police van, but other protestors swooped in and pushed the police back long enough for the one they were trying to capture to escape.

sleek river
timber delta
verbal shadow
merry gulch
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oh dang, forte11 and 12 have disappeared from the map

jovial hemlock
timber delta
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I really fucking hope they didnt land because of tensions and not a pr stunt

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could it have air dropped?

dawn quartz
sick sleet
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oh. and AN-225 might have been destroyed. 😦

sleek river
sleek river
merry gulch
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whats up with this cessna coming from moscow though? 30k people watching it

timber delta
bold moss
sleek river
sleek river
winter zealot
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If Finland and/or Sweden ends up joining NATO, the irony in Putler's face will be immeasurable.

sleek river
winter zealot
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He did, but it is just a threat.

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He already has his hands full with Ukraine, splitting his forces would be catastrophic for him.

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And in case he tries to attack yet another country, I can't even imagine what the international response would be.

sleek river
dawn quartz
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The scariest part to me rn is how hard Putin has screwed this all up.
He's probably lost his mind and everything is collapsing around him

winter zealot
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Despite being a much smaller country with less population than Ukraine, most of the male population has been given military training due to the conscription system.

sleek river
winter zealot
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A cornered wolf is the most dangerous one.

sleek river
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He'll get shot probably

dawn quartz
jovial hemlock
winter zealot
dawn quartz
jovial hemlock
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I think it's worrysome

winter zealot
jovial hemlock
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That someone with such mental issues has so much power.

sleek river
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Look at how they are looking at Putin

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jovial hemlock
winter zealot
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He can call himself the "president", but in reality he is a dictator

dawn quartz
sleek river
jovial hemlock
dawn quartz
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He's probably on stimulants and other drugs as well.

winter zealot
jovial hemlock
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And if Putin gets, let's say, assassinated, what kind of maniac will replace him? He has probably already assigned a successor just in case.

sleek river
dawn quartz
sleek river
dawn quartz
jovial hemlock
sleek river
winter zealot
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Switzerland is considering freezing Russian assets in their banks and country 👀

jovial hemlock
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I mean ideals

sleek river
jovial hemlock
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They are just forced into it.

jagged birch
sleek river
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@winter zealot Ukrainians stole a Russian BPM with a tractor

winter zealot
jagged birch
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Any russian aircraft of any kind that enters Canadian airspace will be responded to with a single warning and an immediate military escort

sleek river
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That's amazing

dawn quartz
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Yikes, sounds like Belarus is declaring war on Ukraine now...
😢

sleek river
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Belarus will gets it's ass kicked too

winter zealot
jagged birch
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No more russian commercial flights to Canada

quiet oyster
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So blocked entirely across EU, US and now Cancda.

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Cancda*

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Ok whatver.

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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What’s the source for that, Bob? I know they were mobilising earlier but I understood that they stood down while talks happened (assuming talks happened and it wasn’t one sided rhetoric)

dawn quartz
dawn quartz
jagged birch
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I worry that Ukraine are going to call everyone that they don't like Russian saboteurs now

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It's a war crime waiting to happen

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The ones shot in Dnipro don't look like they have any military prep and the story is very scarce

sleek river
jagged birch
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At first glance it just looks like the military mowed down citizens and threw them on the pile

winter zealot
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There's a strict curfew - anyone breaking it is a suspect.

dawn quartz
jagged birch
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You get a choice when under the threat of a war. Hide and starve or run and get shot

sleek river
glass wyvern
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Thanks, Bob

sleek river
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They've been allowing that since the beginning

dawn quartz
# sleek river That says that they allow Russian soldiers to be stationed there

Belarus enters the conflict after crossing Ukraine’s northern border

Not long after dawn on February 24, tanks were recorded moving into Ukrainian territory from southwestern Belarus, crossing over at the Senkivka checkpoint. Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and Russian heavy flamethrower systems can be identified in the videos. Videos showing missiles being launched from the Mogilev area towards Ukraine have also surfaced, yet have not been specifically geolocated as of now. CNN and Newsweek reported that Belarusian troops are also taking part in the attack against Ukraine, despite previous insistence from Belarusian leader Alyaksandr Lukashenka that Belarus would not participate in any military action against the country.

jagged birch
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Denmark spitting in the face of Russia, allowing volunteers to join the Ukrainian defense

dawn quartz
sleek river
#

4300 Russian casualties reported by the Ukrainian government

jagged birch
#

Turkish drones wiping out russian convoy

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Apparently Ukraine purchased drones from Turkey

glass wyvern
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They did yeah

jagged birch
#

NSFW

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Those are missile launchers that were wiped out

jovial hemlock
jagged birch
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It's footage of a drone strike. Not safe for work.

jovial hemlock
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Ok. That means it's graphic content?

dawn quartz
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Actual people getting vaporized

jagged birch
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I don't know how good your eye sight is. I know there are humans being killed.

winter zealot
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@verbal shadow please turn this thread to age restricted if it isn't already, just in case. And add the Ukrainian flag inside parenthesis after the thread name to not confuse people.

glass wyvern
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Lots of stuff went rather high up there

jovial hemlock
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Ok then I skip it. A few days back I already saw a quite graphic video of ||dead soldiers||.
I was on my mind for the entire day...

glass wyvern
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Yeah it’s not pretty, Daphne. Stuff sticks with me for a while too.

jovial hemlock
#

Usually I can handle stuff in movies pretty well, but this shit is real...

bright barn
#

did Putin say he's willing to use nuke?

jagged birch
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Not likely

winter zealot
jagged birch
#

Generally though hes not not willing.

jovial hemlock
bright barn
#

i just saw a bunch of news videos come up saying he's puttting his nuclear forces un high alert

jagged birch
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Just not specifically mentioned that I saw

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It's a nuclear deterent force, not nuclear force. It has nuclear capability but its been in operation since 2018

glass wyvern
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He has ordered the special force to responsible for the nuclear weapons on high alert, supposedly anyway. I’ve not seen anything that confirms there’s added mobilisation

jovial hemlock
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To me it seems like the beginning.

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I'm just scared

glass wyvern
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But they already have them, as do other nations, on hand and not necessarily stockpiled

winter zealot
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This is already WW3 - even though currently fighting is only going on in Ukraine, the international response with economic sanctions and support for Ukraine justifies calling it a world war in my mind - the whole world is in this now.

glass wyvern
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Hard to know if he would go that far, I think somewhere even he understands the adage of MAD

viscid zephyr
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.nsfwtoggle

quiet oyster
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What

jagged birch
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Hwat

jovial hemlock
viscid zephyr
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Nope, no go

glass wyvern
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Switched thread to NSFW I think

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Ahh didn’t work?

winter zealot
viscid zephyr
#

Threads can't be managed after the fact on that level. Ty discord

quiet oyster
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😔

bold moss
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Threads don't have those kind of toggles :/

glass wyvern
quiet oyster
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Discord bumd AF.

elfin frost
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heard there was a 5km long russian convoi going to kyiev

jovial hemlock
verbal shadow
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apparently threads just inherit everything, including nsfw and role configurations from the channel where they belong

sleek river
jovial hemlock
elfin frost
#

drones?

sleek river
sleek river
winter zealot
elfin frost
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ok

sacred isle
#

Being a thread means there's relatively little chance of people finding it by accident anyway.

jagged birch
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US Embassy in Moscow: US Citizens should consider departing Russia immediately

quiet oyster
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wtf they think is about to happen then?

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Well dang.

jagged birch
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Basically saying you're in danger if you stay

quiet oyster
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Ah, that makes sense tbf.

glass wyvern
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It’s more of a “so you aren’t stuck there and in case they make an attempt on your life for being from the west”

jagged birch
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Also avoiding the blame for not extracting them after the fact

glass wyvern
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True yep

elfin frost
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seems like shit gonna happen soon

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kinda seems like saying

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they gonna bomb the shit out of ukraine

jagged birch
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Finally it looks like RT may lose its ability to broadcast

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That company is dogshit

glass wyvern
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Yeah the EU has tasked some employees to create software to fully block it

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That and Sputnik I believe

jagged birch
verbal shadow
# winter zealot Exactly why I personally prefer creating separate channels instead of threads.

The intention of this thread was to discuss the Ukraine world event following existing NSFW server wide rules per our pinned rules. It was meant to be likely temporary.

Our moderation team under prior administration, archived our old Serious channel which was in fact configured as NSFW. We'd have to re-evaluate the need to bring back said channel with a new rule where political debate won't be allowed. But to bring that back, we'd have to further discuss it in our team.

For now, we'll continue with the current thread, under the current rules that are pinned.

Starting a new (potentially temporary) Serious thread for the discussion of more serious topics and world events like the war in Ukraine. Note that our #off-topic-bond-james-bond rules and #server-rules still apply. No political debates allowed. No prejudice towards any group of people. No uncivil or toxic commentary. No memes.

jovial hemlock
#

Ok there is is a war in Ukraine and Putin threatens with nuclear weapons and innocent people lose their homes and die and my parents worry about gas prices 🙄

jagged birch
#

Gas prices will never stop going up. It's a limited resource that is not going to become less limited over time.

sleek river
#

Russians lost a T-90 tank because it got stuck in mud

jovial hemlock
jagged birch
#

Is that the one that fell in the river?

sleek river
jagged birch
elfin frost
sleek river
winter zealot
elfin frost
#

welp

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i guess gps doesnt work there

sleek river
#

Well , Russia is fucked

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@winter zealot

winter zealot
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NICE

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Also - Switzerland sanctions russia and doesn't stay neutral!

quiet oyster
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Lmao holy shit. Fighter jets.

sleek river
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Hope Georgia gets sent some arms in the future too

glass wyvern
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Russian GNSS system that’s been about for years, just not so well known

elfin frost
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just u know

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need a place for them to fly

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if they have any airbase left

glass wyvern
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Plenty stuff in the centre of the country I think hasn’t been reached yet but I couldn’t say with 100% confidence

sick sleet
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club mate molotovs! 😍

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sleek river
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@sick sleet is there any danger of the internet being brought down in Ukraine?

sick sleet
sleek river
dawn quartz
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Elon activated Starlink in the area

sick sleet
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yeah, uh, whatever that may mean. 😉

winter zealot
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Can someone give me a word that describes a bullet or other ordnance and rhymes with "bolt"?

sick sleet
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(the critical question for starlink in ukraine is: what ground stations are they using?)

dawn quartz
quiet oyster
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Russia is firing off thermo missiles (baby nukes).

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Like, right now.

sleek river
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Huh?

quiet oyster
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Largest possible bombs before they are categorised as a nuke.

sick sleet
dawn quartz
quiet oyster
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Yes I am aware.

jovial hemlock
quiet oyster
dawn quartz
quiet oyster
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We're in a Discord for a game, this isn't a military Discord.
For that sake of keeping it simple, I wrote that statement.

jovial hemlock
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It wasn't even a mushroom cloud

dawn quartz
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Adding "nukes" to the description doesn't simplify it, it clouds it

quiet oyster
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That's a fair statement.

jagged birch
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That does not look like a nuke to me

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That looks like a thermobaric explosion

dawn quartz
jagged birch
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Notice how quickly the fireball expands. It's hungry for oxygen

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Less cloud, more fire

quiet oyster
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Thermo explosion is exactly what I said. Tried to explain in the most simple terms but it backfired.
My apologies.

dawn quartz
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Thermobaric weapons are made more clear by one of the other names imo; air/fuel weapons.

glass wyvern
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You mean thermobaric ditto?

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Nasty weapons those

quiet oyster
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I dunno wtf I mean anymore tbh. 😛

glass wyvern
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Lmao

sick sleet
jovial hemlock
dawn quartz
jovial hemlock
glass wyvern
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It spreads a fine propellant as a first stage after detonation and then a second detonation ignites that fuel that sucks the oxygen out the air effectively

quiet oyster
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Hence the rapid expansion/explosion. Just sucking that air up.

dawn quartz
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Much like in a car engine, the air/fuel mixture is critical in creating an explosion

sick sleet
# jovial hemlock So it basically uses air as "fuel" for the fire to spread?

its not so much about "spreading fire". not the "baric" part of the name. a classic american variant are "fuel air explosives". you have a big tank of something that can burn (like fuel), and a small explosive charge in the middle that just throws the fuel around, then ignites it when well mixed with air. very big kaboom.

sleek river
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@jovial hemlock it also either evaporates you or bursts your internal organs

jovial hemlock
dawn quartz
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So the fuel is aerosolized and ignited

jovial hemlock
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My God

jagged birch
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If you're hit by a blast wave from an explosion of any force, your organs can be destroyed.

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Well...not ANY force

dawn quartz
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This is how flour bombs and grain silo explosions work as well

jagged birch
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any conventional weapon

glass wyvern
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Is it possible that explosion is from something else perhaps, maybe a laden antiaircraft vehicle being taken out…?

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Some high fuel source maybe

dawn quartz
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yeah could be any number of things

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The footage I've seen from those tanks is more like carpet bombing

glass wyvern
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Let’s hope it’s not the start of the thermobaric usage that seemed to be on the cards when the TOS-1 was seen on the back of a flatbed

jagged birch
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I doubt it's a ground based explosion. It's very concentrated.

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Like something highly reactive dropped in place

glass wyvern
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I hope it’s an isolated thing

dawn quartz
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That's the thing, the large thermobaric weapons aren't meant to be concentrated

jagged birch
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I imagine they would've heard it if it were a large thermobaric weapon.

sleek river
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Is it a new type of weapon?

jagged birch
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I'm no expert though. So...

dawn quartz
jagged birch
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lol...new weapon....russia lol

quiet oyster
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Russia adjourned the UN meeting and just headed out.

jagged birch
winter zealot
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Can someone give me a word that describes a bullet or other ordnance and rhymes with "bolt"?
I am trying to rewrite the Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum song into a more fitting song for the situation

jovial hemlock
dawn quartz
glass wyvern
winter zealot
jovial hemlock
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But it is not funny

jagged birch
dawn quartz
jagged birch
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I'd wager a plane

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Do jets carry thermo missiles?

glass wyvern
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I’m more inclined, maybe more hopeful, to believe that was maybe something like a petrol reserve being taken out

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
jagged birch
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Could have been Ukrainians busting a missile launcher, too

dawn quartz
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Aside from scare targets, that's the kind of thing they'll want to blow up anyhow

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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They're using turkish drones

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Those drones have night vision

winter zealot
dawn quartz
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Yeah or blowing up fuel trucks en route etc

sick sleet
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they also have even smaller thermobarics than the tos-1 rockets: https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1488787369792884739

Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura)

#Idlib: Really interesting & uncommon hardware for sale recently; a few thermobaric TBG-7V projectiles. (Motor unscrewed)

As you can see, the one clearly seen has a manufacturing year of 1999. These are not used often, although HTS fighters (Malhama Tactical) have operated them. https://t.co/d5gD7EYmyR

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jagged birch
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I hate when military operations decide to test new equipment in the field

dawn quartz
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As an American "Colt" is the first thing that came to mind but figured it wouldn't fit lol

sleek river
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Is the explosion a FOAB?

quiet oyster
dawn quartz
sleek river
jagged birch
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How much do you drink?

quiet oyster
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Not 2L that's for sure.

dawn quartz
sleek river
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Is it too small?

jagged birch
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War is scary. People always find disgustingly creative ways to kill one another

quiet oyster
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Even so, 2L is a "standard" bottle of fizzy drink here. I can't imagine dropping that and taking out a building or 2.

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Wild to me, really is.

jagged birch
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I only hope this does not lead to chemical or biological weapons

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
jagged birch
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I would not put biological or chemical weapons beyond the scope of russian operations

quiet oyster
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wtf I hate this.

glass wyvern
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No, there’s a proven track record of it in fact

sleek river
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They striked another convoy with a drone

quiet oyster
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Maybe it was a part of the convoy we saw go pop.

jovial hemlock
sleek river
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GUYS

dawn quartz
sleek river
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the explosion was a ammonium fertilizer plant

quiet oyster
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Ah there you go. That'll do it.

dawn quartz
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That can be used for IEDs, so a strategic target

glass wyvern
glass wyvern
# jovial hemlock Putin was already threatening with the use of weapons "never seen". I hope he i...

What I read earlier was “consequences never seen” so I suspected he meant all out war with everything. Not sure about non-field tested munitions. But it’s hard to know. Sadly war is often the first place things like that are done and discoveries happen. Without war we would not have advanced in space as quickly as we did. I wish it didn’t need to have been war that caused such an advancement if I’m honest.

jovial hemlock
glass wyvern
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Me too

jovial hemlock
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We can use our tech for such beautiful things but instead we kill people with it 😔

elfin frost
jovial hemlock
elfin frost
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could be a balistic misile

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damn

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isnt that

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radioactive?

glass wyvern
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No

jagged birch
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Isn't what radioactive?

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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Oh yes I know

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I’ve stood in Auschwitz and found it difficult to hold back tears seeing some of the things there

sick sleet
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oh wow. there was an anti-war protest in berlin today. they had optimistically estimated 20k people might show up. the reports guess 350k-500k actualy did.

glass wyvern
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I’m thankful that part of history is over I must say

jagged birch
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Looking at the region bombed....Looks like fuel silos

glass wyvern
sick sleet
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for comparison, our but-mah-freedums protests are like low three digits.

glass wyvern
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We had a slightly smaller one in Prague with about 80k

dawn quartz
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Yeah I went there too.
Intense.
My grandfather helped smuggle refugees during WWII.
Sad how some things don't seem to change

glass wyvern
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Yeah man

jagged birch
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Google earth shot of the region

glass wyvern
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This was Berlin today, @sick sleet

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sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Yep

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This is part of the Prague one

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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Lol sorry man. My thumbs are doing overtime today on the keypad

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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FIFA trying to get the football team to make a stand should they desire to play

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glass wyvern
dawn quartz
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Well at least we know what it takes for the IJF to take a stand on things.

bold moss
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Definitely

dawn quartz
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I find a there's an (off color) parallel between the IJF and Kremlin tbh
😁

glass wyvern
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Not being a follower of judo I have no comment on this lol

sick sleet
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also from the "how to seriously piss off machos" ... someone made a decent portrait of putin ... mosaiced out of a lot of dickpics ...

glass wyvern
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Yeah I got sent that

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I shall not repost here for the safety of people’s eyes

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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Not too dissimilar to a lot of political regimes; there’s at least one in every nation mind you

dawn quartz
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I was just going to say, I shouldn't be throwing stones

glass wyvern
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Thankfully in some places they only have about 100 supporters, in others they have a touch more

dawn quartz
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I've certainly become more aware of various colors of idiocy and and malice over the past two years.
And to think people have called me cynical before lol

glass wyvern
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Call me crazy but I feel it’s good to be a little bit cynical… but maybe that’s because I’ve been rather cynical since being too young to be so lol

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It at least keeps you raising questions and challenging things

timber delta
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I'm honestly impressed by both the tenacity of Ukranians to defend their country to the death and the ineptness of the Russian army to make them surrender

dawn quartz
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I grew up on George Carlin, so at least I drink my cynicism with a smile

timber delta
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Like bro is their only real defence now just the nukes?

glass wyvern
jagged birch
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I remember watching Putin playing hockey. he sucked at it, but the team were too pathetic, so they all but gave him goals

dawn quartz
timber delta
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Until recently I didn't know much about Ukranians except some meme where they're portrayed as pigs

glass wyvern
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Because of where I am I’ve met many Ukrainians and generally I find them really nice people. Odd one or two aren’t so nice but that’s like everywhere.

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But generally I get on well with them I have to say

dawn quartz
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If I was Ukrainian, I'd be worried about breaking my neck, since my head would be so large rn
Of course it would match my balls so...

jagged birch
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Breaking your balls

glass wyvern
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If you fell over you’d look like a dumbbell then

dawn quartz
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"then" lol

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got it covered

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Damn it's noon already lol
All this internettin' makes one hungry

glass wyvern
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It’s 5 to 11 at night here

jagged birch
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Looking at some of the businesses in the area that was hit by that thermo....

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Ostchem

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Looks like a holding company for a pretty big group

sick sleet
glass wyvern
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Yeah ok that’s a better photo

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That’s quite an incredible image

jagged birch
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Definitely a factory area

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It's no tiannamen square

glass wyvern
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Doesn’t have to be to be inspiring though

jagged birch
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It would be more inspiring if it were in russia

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900 people so far arrested for protesting in russia

glass wyvern
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I have the numbers at over 3000 arrested. 1500 of them today alone but now supposedly they have been fighting back against the police

jagged birch
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A protest unresolved will turn to a riot over time.

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Esp under the threat of force from police

dawn quartz
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Yeah I've heard figures in the thousands too, for arrests

glass wyvern
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In this instance I would condone such a riot

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I would only wish safety for those rioting on the side of righteousness

dawn quartz
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Yes, demonstration carries risk

sick sleet
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interesting detail there: RU seems to have shipped a LOT of their riot police to UA. and, uh, a decent chunk wont be coming back.

dawn quartz
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The whole thing appears to be coming apart at the seams

glass wyvern
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For a country that supposedly has a large military they cannot have exhausted the personnel from that perspective already so as to warrant sending in the riot police as a second front surely

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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I mean either then they are lying about the night and size of their battalions or they have them deployed else where

dawn quartz
quiet oyster
glass wyvern
glass wyvern
dawn quartz
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I have to believe even the soldier must see the comedy of that situation

glass wyvern
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I would

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The fact it’s on film though is probably not good for him lol

dawn quartz
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Lol probably not

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From a philosophical standpoint, according to Sun Tzu Putin is doing everything wrong.

deep saddle
glass wyvern
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Yeah there wouldn’t appear to be much going right, at least not from the outside looking in

sleek river
deep saddle
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Yea

glass wyvern
dawn quartz
deep saddle
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Well CNN has a bias also

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And they tell a narrative.

dawn quartz
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If you've never read the book it's pretty interesting.
He goes into great lengths trying to convince the reader never to go to war.
There's a section where he outlines the costs and manpower to move an army, all the way down to the road builders and how much rice etc they will need per distance traveled.
The takeaway is obviously,
"Ok since you didn't listen earlier, let me spell out why this is such a bad idea..."

deep saddle
dawn quartz
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Human lives are not valuable to all of us unfortunately

sleek river
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Who is y'all talking about ? Sun Tzu?

dawn quartz
deep saddle
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If he's mad enough to just do this to cause chaos and death and destruction for no purpose other than to say democracy is wrong for Ukraine? I worry what else he is capable of.

sick sleet
glass wyvern
marble relic
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So Belarus joined the Russians? I just checked this channel and saw y'all posted a bajillion messages so I'm trying to catch up 😆

sleek river
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Well yes and no. ,I guess

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They haven't used their military forces, they are just hosting Russian ones

deep saddle
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If Russia did take Ukraine they would have a larger iron wall including Belarus l

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And yes there have been sanctions against Belarus also

glass wyvern
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Pretty much as we expected the vote would go for this

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deep saddle
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Well the security council went the same way

glass wyvern
deep saddle
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True

dawn quartz
glass wyvern
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But then Lukashenko isn’t exactly known for doing what he says outwardly

sleek river
deep saddle
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So Putin won't just ride across the border of Ukraine shirtless horseback flying solo in all his manliness?

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Would of been simpler.

dawn quartz
dawn quartz
sleek river
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They'll burn em to crisp

dawn quartz
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That's a lot of soldiers and death

marble relic
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Ship invasions never go well 💀

sacred isle
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Wouldn't a few tanks on the dock be enough to stop that kind of thing?

dawn quartz
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It will likely be a lot of bloodshed

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11 battalions is no joke

marble relic
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Also, doesn't Odessa have a bunch of tunnels near it? The Odessa Catacombs or whatever. Fuck trying to invade any place with miles of tunnels for resistance people to hide in

dawn quartz
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That what thermobaric weapons are for, unfortunately

marble relic
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I wonder if the UN is sharing satellite data with Ukraine and showing em where all the big Russian targets are lonk

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Cuz the trucks carrying thermobaric missiles are a phat target

sleek river
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I'm seeing a private jet escaping from Switzerland to Russia

dawn quartz
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The outstanding thermal damage effect of thermobaric explosive (TBX) is enhanced in closed or semiclosed spaces
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/sv/2017/5427485/

Thermal Environment inside a Tunnel after Thermobaric Explosion

The outstanding thermal damage effect of thermobaric explosive (TBX) is enhanced in closed or semiclosed spaces, which may pose a serious threat to the security of people sheltered in tunnels or other protective engineering. In order to investigate the thermal environment inside a tunnel after thermobaric explosion, we developed a damage evaluat...

old basin
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So it seems people on YouTube are getting a video about how to survive the first hour of a nuke getting recommended to a ton of people and freaking out right now

sleek river
dawn quartz
sleek river
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Think so lol

dawn quartz
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I mean they need gas from what I gather

old basin
sleek river
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It rose up from Geneva

dawn quartz
# old basin I don't think it actually means anything like some people think it does

This was a funny one here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert

My sister in law panicked so hard lol
So many people just took the warning at face value.

2018 Hawaii false missile alert

On the morning of Saturday, January 13, 2018, a ballistic missile alert was accidentally issued via the Emergency Alert System and Wireless Emergency Alert System over television, radio, and cellphones in the U.S. state of Hawaii. The alert stated that there was an incoming ballistic missile threat to Hawaii, advised residents to seek shelter, a...

old basin
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Oh I remember that, didn't hear about it until like a year later though

sleek river
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Also NK launched a reconnaissance satellite

old basin
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Ain't that just a normal NK thing to do)

dawn quartz
old basin
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I mean I don't think anyone panicking is funny

sleek river
dawn quartz
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I do on occasion when it's not based in anything real, anxiety and similar stuff aside naturally.
But when simple common sense should prevail it's pretty funny imo.

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Ie the Navy is who would be letting people know about these missiles, not hearing about them from a cell phone alert

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We even get that crazy X band radar globe in town on occasion

marble relic
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What the orb doin'

old basin
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Floating

dawn quartz
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Peering

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It's enormous

old basin
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How enormous? Like owl rig big or like yacht big?

dawn quartz
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The radar dome is > 30m dia

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Vessel length: 389 feet (119 m) [1]
Vessel beam: 238 feet (73 m)
Vessel height: 85 meters (279 ft) from keel to top of radome

marble relic
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It's bizarre watching the fighting in Kharkiv, everything just looks so normal around them. I've grown up with the only war on the news being in the middle east, I'm not used to seeing fighting happen in average looking areas

glass wyvern
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It’s definitely an off shaped vessel. Is it a catamaran?

dawn quartz
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It was quite a sight when I saw it on the horizon for the first time lol

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That pic gives pretty good scale lol

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It's part of the missile defense system

old basin
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JESUS

glass wyvern
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It’s some very impressive engineering

dawn quartz
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Yeah I don't think I was exaggerating
😁

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Absolutely
Im sure it's packed to the gills with some crazy tech

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Just perching it on that ship seems like a ridiculous project lol

sick sleet
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the ship ... dives ... moves under the load, then resurfaces.