Archived Thread - Light No Fire

[hushed fossil]

You seen the rabbit people Bowing I think that has something to do with story maybe ?

[blissful vault]

it's not my fault he's wrong, when he didn't even watch the announcement lmfao

[jagged moat]

Purely speculation, but I have a feeling it will have more story elements than NMS, but will remain fundamentally similar

[blissful vault]

i hope so

[outer cliff]

if light no fire is an rpg

[blissful vault]

nms story was short but sweet

[outer cliff]

it will be more lore driven

and light no fire could be less sandbox and more story driven too

[jagged moat]

Id like that

[vapid plinth]

I like you

[hushed fossil]

Awkward… 😆

[vapid plinth]

Kill em with kindness bro

[jagged moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-cat-gif-24663663

[outer cliff]

i like the huts

[vapid plinth]

I just watched the 4 minute clip. My hypothesis still stands. You down to wager a bet?

[jagged moat]

lol what?

[vapid plinth]

Just a bet on who is closer with their prediction

[jagged moat]

I haven't made any predictions, beyond the minor speculation about story.

[vapid plinth]

[jagged moat]

I am just quoting Sean lol, with citations

That's not a prediction

[vapid plinth]

He did say seamless however he also made references to nms and making an entire universe. So we shall see

[hushed fossil]

Guys im going to say something u all must be shocked at I’ve never played no man’s sky

[vapid plinth]

Just came here for the tea huh

[hushed fossil]

Came here talk about new game looks sick

But wondering whether or not try NMS again havnt played since like 2016 and that was for like 20 mins so can’t remember

[weary elbow]

this makes me feel warm inside for HG

in 16 hours, no less

[weary elbow]

the game has improved like a thousand fold. it is considerably better than release state. give it a go

[vapid plinth]

Who was the one who showed the starship line for the dragons?

[jagged moat]

That would be an entirely different experience anyhow, compared to now

[hushed fossil]

Might try it out but what y’all do to keep entertained I remember for the short while I played I just flew around lol I’m to used to doing a million Skyrim side quests XD

[vapid plinth]

LnF is NMS reskin 🙂

[weary elbow]

worst take ive seen today

[weary elbow]

quests keep popping up. if you're bored, ust walk around a planet and enjoy the scenery. build bases. automate mining. trade. steal. etc etc. there is SO much content

[hushed fossil]

Might re install this new game got me hyped about HG

[vapid plinth]

U sure?

Bruh I can't send images that's lame

[weary elbow]

pretty much. it does look similar to NMS but thats because they are built on the same engine

a lot of stuff is different, for example:

[wide sage]

There's a lot of reused animations etc but that's fine. Fromsoft do it all the time

[weary elbow]

if it aint broke, dont fix it. also could be placeholder animations

[hushed fossil]

Also it’s normal for games made by same creator to look similar if they have a certain style type they want to stick to

[warm mountain]

Engine doesn't matter. It's the artists, 3D modelers and programmers behind the game. Same people, same style.

You can see similar effect with other game studios like Bethesda, Rockstar etc. People's handiwork carries over.

[weary elbow]

good point

[wide sage]

Exactly. If you've already made it, why make it again unless there's a good reason?

[vapid plinth]

A lot of people flipped their opinion on the period of a few hours 😂

[weary elbow]

also, i dont see why similar styles are bad

[weary elbow]

what opinions?

[warm mountain]

But yee, it does use same engine and many visual things from NMS tho. Why reinvent the wheel and make everything again. Especially with such a small team where you don't have whole huge departments for asset creation etc.

[hushed fossil]

So true like when playing aany Bethesda game you know it the moment u look at it with the style and writing

[vapid plinth]

Literally nobody was giving me flak earlier and the same people are upset by my same statements like what?

[wide sage]

I've mostly seen people happy about the announcement tbh. It looks great and looks like it'll do what we expect

[weary elbow]

yup. altough i do think that HG would want to update the animations further in development, just a refresher. im putting my money on placeholders

[warm mountain]

Remaking literally everything fromc ground up would be pointless waste of work hours that can be spent on actually developing content and gameplay mechanics.

[weary elbow]

different people, different opinions

[hushed fossil]

Did you guys see the foliage looks beautiful I’m a sucker for good scenery XD

[vapid plinth]

Some of them are the same people homie

[weary elbow]

okay

[warm mountain]

And the clouds! And water too

[hushed fossil]

Yeee

[warm mountain]

would love to take a sip of that LNF water for sure

looks heccen hydrating

[weary elbow]

also the building models look amazing

[wide sage]

100%, the only people who complain about it are usually looking for stuff to be angry about too. See elden ring

[silk crane]

https://fxtwitter.com/dmc_ryan/status/1732967177530318963?s=46&t=RjBnI6fjC1whm1BT6-9rPA

[weary elbow]

i dont care if they reuse stuff, as long as it looks good and plays good then thats all we need

[wide sage]

A little thing I'm excited about is that there's no awkward flat areas around POIs!!

[hushed fossil]

I just wanna build a little tribe of weird mutant badgers and go sailing across the world

[weary elbow]

oh shit thats cool

[warm mountain]

Mhm. The act of making every singular thing from ground up with each new IP is a luxury only huge AAA-studios can afford. And even then it's kinda pointless waste of spent manpower and work hours

[vapid plinth]

Gleam the only thing that bothers me is their wordage

[wide sage]

It looks like it'll be chill to build a little town with your friends and go exploring for cool birds and stuff

[wide sage]

Especially when you don't have easy access to things like mocap etc

[hushed fossil]

How big is hello games team ?

[warm mountain]

Can't wait to have a little town with my friends and just live our fantasy life there. Occasionally greeting passing travelers

[hushed fossil]

May I join XD

[weary elbow]

around 26 people iirc

[warm mountain]

Around 40 people says their Linkedin.

The team behind LNF, about a dozen or so

[hushed fossil]

Really!!

Omg and they made NMS ?

All alone ?

[weary elbow]

refer to azure, theyve got better numbers

[silk crane]

People are all speculating - we don't really have any hard information as to how anything works - don't get upset because someone doesn't agree with you, or you have a different idea - no one here actually knows

[weary elbow]

at the start they were 12-ish people iirc

[hushed fossil]

Damn crazy what they can do with that amount of people

[weary elbow]

yup

thats dedication, NMS is a passion project

[hushed fossil]

Then you have Bethesda who released starfield (it’s okay) with big team

[vapid plinth]

True. One of us is bound to be correct

[wide sage]

It'll be really nice. Hopefully this server has a town or something too

[hushed fossil]

Love small studios making a name for themselves kinda like larian as well

[vapid plinth]

You can join my town of Whiterun

[weary elbow]

galactic hub branch in LNF would be cool to see

[silk crane]

Yes, I am

[vapid plinth]

I like the confidence.

[silk crane]

[vapid plinth]

Too bad only one of us can be right

But both could be wrong 😂

[hushed fossil]

So nice that studios like this exist who arnt just after your money

I just need a book to come out with all the lore lol

[weary elbow]

just play the game, and when confused ask around in #nms-spoilers

[weary elbow]

completely agree. HG are a special bunch

[hushed fossil]

Yea I’m just such a lore nerd and love all the details

[weary elbow]

same here

[wide sage]

They've been pretty clever with building it to be unique but still appealing to lots of existing fans tbh

I was kind of worried that it would be so different people wouldn't be too interested initially

But seeing it hit on a lot of the same stuff is cool

[silk crane]

I will wander the planet

Very excited

[vapid plinth]

Better keep pvp on

I'll travel the lands, far and wide

[silk crane]

My bunny will know no fear

[blissful vault]

this is real

[vapid plinth]

No. YOU are real

Except when you make me cri

[blissful vault]

i will make winterhold

[hushed fossil]

I’m making markarth

[vapid plinth]

So we all jarls now?

[blissful vault]

yes.

[hushed fossil]

😆

[weary elbow]

winterhold gang arise. all my homies love magic

[vapid plinth]

We better get our own discord channels for our holds

[hushed fossil]

Also in the trailer for LNF we see a staff so magic confirmed ?

[weary elbow]

well, we see a few staffs but no actual magic. i suspect they just didnt implement it yet lol

Sean, you forgot something

[vapid plinth]

I ain't even commenting on speculation now. Just getting my whiterun villagers recruited

[weary elbow]

fair's fair

[vapid plinth]

In the trailer there is a weird circle icon next to the weather gauge. Could potentially be a mana bar

Idk I just live here

[hushed fossil]

I really hope they have deep lore tho like I need a escape from reality

[silk crane]

Whole game looks magical, does that count

[wide sage]

It gives off a lovely, pleasant vibe ngl

[blissful vault]

can't wait tbh

kept this secret for 5 years

[vapid plinth]

Even more ambitious than nms 🤔

[silk crane]

I'm sure they did that to avoid hype and craziness - and then what do we do as soon as we see it?

Lol

[blissful vault]

no, i know why
i just bet it was hard to lol

[hushed fossil]

What I like is that we all be on one planet it may be massive but it least it’s just one and not getting lost in billion planet universe

[weary elbow]

the HUD in the bottom left changes in different enviroments, water vs air. just something neat i noticed

[silk crane]

I wonder if there is a robust map system?

[vapid plinth]

This is what I was referring to ty

What's the middle for tho

That's what I'm curious about

[weary elbow]

also, i think that little snowflake icon and notches is a temperature indicator

[blissful vault]

day and time?

idk

[vapid plinth]

Could be yeah

[blissful vault]

i see sun i think day

[silk crane]

Stamina?

[blissful vault]

i see night i see moon

[wide sage]

Cool temperature meter too

[tardy monolith]

Inside is the day night

[vapid plinth]

I would think that is seperate. They have the hp in the top left like they did with nms I would assume stam will be similar to nms as well

[weary elbow]

also, i think this is the currently selected weapon. bottom right

[silk crane]

Yeah

I'm going to be a bunny with a sword lol

[vapid plinth]

I'm gonna live in your huts btw

[weary elbow]

also, desert

[silk crane]

What huts?

If I build, it will not be a hut!

[vapid plinth]

I will find you in FnaFL

[weary elbow]

notice the yellow/white bar changed when moving from water to air.
idk what that means, but keep it in mind

[vapid plinth]

Don't worry

I will become the very best

Like no one ever was

[hushed fossil]

What’s everyone’s play style in fantasy games ranged/ one handed/ two handed or magical never played a mage but if the magic system is good in LNF I might consider

[vapid plinth]

Stealth archer

[hushed fossil]

Not another one 😆

[silk crane]

One handed sword

Second hand for a torch/magic/whatever else

[weary elbow]

and who's that little guy in the ending logo?!

look at him

[vapid plinth]

Hope we have different difficulties when it comes to enemies

[hushed fossil]

Yee my first Skyrim play through was one handed with restoration then stealth archer now two handed lizard hahaha

[vapid plinth]

It's the traveller obv

[rose plover]

Probably playable character

[weary elbow]

probably

[vapid plinth]

Atlas 1000000 years in the past

Lmfao

[vapid plinth]

That's a bold statement. We will have to see if they can follow through with the no boundaries

[blissful vault]

yup

[rose plover]

At a scale never attempted before

[vapid plinth]

I wonder how they will manage loading new parts of maps.

Especially mounted

[rose plover]

I feel like this may become another NMS launch situation

[hushed fossil]

Probably won’t happen but if we could raid other bases that would be sick

[vapid plinth]

My thoughts as well. Still gonna be a banger

[blissful vault]

idk we'll see

[vapid plinth]

I want to believe

I really do

[blissful vault]

they've already been working or at least "kept it secret" for 5 years

[silk crane]

Same way they do planets in NMS I would guess

It's all there, but you don't see it all until you move around

[blissful vault]

i mean yeah

[hushed fossil]

I need this game even tho I have a back log to get through I wanna play this one so bad XD

[silk crane]

And if they keep our speeds under spaceship zoomies, shouldn't outrun the rendering

[vapid plinth]

Dragons zoom

[silk crane]

If you are expecting no pop in though.... let's be realistic - every big game has that

[vapid plinth]

Who knows

[silk crane]

Sean

[vapid plinth]

They could pull off the impossible

Go kidnap sean

[silk crane]

[hushed fossil]

Well one things for sure even if it launches in a mess it will eventually get fixed so I’m not worried

[silk crane]

Lol

[blissful vault]

i wanna see the melee

[vapid plinth]

The world loads in chunks like minecraft

[blissful vault]

i'd ride a bird instead of a dragon

[mystic ibex]

I decided I want to make my first character the bunny from Monty Python and the Holy Grail....

[blissful vault]

just cuz i can

[silk crane]

I will ride everything they let us, just like NMS

[torn trail]

It will be a sub neptune then lol

[velvet axle]

This. Also the trailer has pop-in. 😛

[silk crane]

https://fxtwitter.com/nomanssky/status/1733220157772734508?s=61

Lmao

[velvet axle]

I think leaning into the NMS comparisons (with the name, logo, trailer style etc.) does help with the expectations. The average gamer is going to be like: OK, so it's NMS, but fantasy and less planets. If something isn't in NMS. For now, assume that it won't work in this game either. 😛

[vapid plinth]

But it's not its more ambitious Sean said it himself

[velvet axle]

More ambitious theoretically yes.

[vapid plinth]

But Sean said it so it must be true

[velvet axle]

But a general audience isn't going to think 'one really big planet' is more ambitious than 24098124091808023239330 planets. 😛

[vapid plinth]

I'm just being a twat bro I agree w you

[dapper cloak]

I just really hope the logistics are more vital in this game. Less ferrite dust and more biome specific resources.

My dream of being a space trucker is still not fulfilled in NMS because the resources are to generalized. And all the good stuff is locked behind Nanites. Which I can't space truck to get. 😔

I really hope there will be player trading to some degree, and player cities. So I can travel between cities to trade resources they cant get.
My light no fires dream😍

[analog laurel]

The hype is maximum

My hype is the scale of earth

[mild mango]

Anyways as said, if they make it actually earth-sized 1 to 1, it'd be approx. 197 million square miles. And if it took someone on average about 5 hours to cross 1036 square KM in Just Cause 2, it could take over a whopping 1,529,342 hours to do a full trip around the world in one straight line, give or take some hours due to mountains/oceans.

Or over 174 years.

[analog laurel]

Do you think they'll add a fast travel system or will you have to rely on dragons to go the distance

[mild mango]

Odds are other than having to build fast travel/portal stuff, you gotta get there on your own.

[dapper cloak]

Fast travel might be vital, but I hope it's in the same vien as NMS, typing in weird hyroglyphs to get places, and you need to be there to know it.

Rather than point and clikc

[mild mango]

Also I am ready for potential mega civilizations to form from player groups/tribes/clans/ect. And for human nature to inevitably take over to go to war and ruin the planet out of petty spite.

As is per survival game tradition.

[dapper cloak]

I hope there is no griefing. And I feel like the world will be big enough that time won't allow for it.

[mild mango]

The golden rule of open world/survival games is to always be ready to fend for yourself, and be ready for the inevitable zerg rush of Russian players that will try and nolife the game and try and claim the entire game map as their empire.

[analog laurel]

I got a friend who wants to make an island kingdom already. I wonder how robust a clan system would be if at all

[mild mango]

Rust should have taught you eons ago that such a hope died long ago.

[dapper cloak]

Rust is a pvp ame though. NMS is not.

[mild mango]

If people can attack each other/bonk things to break them, then it's inevitable. And if you can't hurt/break anything, then people get bored.

[analog laurel]

There will probably still be attempted griefing, but I imagine they'll have what NMS has where you can hide grief bases and set permissions on who can build in your claimed land

I wonder if it'll launch with VR support

[mild mango]

I hope claims system isn't broken to where some clan can use endless credits/ect. to basically claim 5000 miles of an area and all but ensure as other clans do it that no new players can do anything.

This is a problem Minecraft servers have had for eons.

[dapper cloak]

I won't get bored. So I'd rather greaffers get bored. Minecraft inevitably moved away from grief heavy servers. 90% of online communities have "no grief" mods equipped. You underestimate the pve community

[mild mango]

It's fine. But there should be a way for people to go to war with each other/break things/ect. if allowed.

[dapper cloak]

I disagree, it's a blight on Survival Games.

[mild mango]

Otherwise, as I've learned with games like Conan Exiles and so on, most will just stay in their little self-sustaining forts and never leave.

But if anything, warring with clans/factions is a thing people enjoy, but should also be a way for those who don't want to be involved to opt out.

That way both sides can have what they want.

I mean, can even have it so that full clans/kingdoms/ect. can set whether to have an area be peaceful or war.

[analog laurel]

Conan Exiles mentioned 🙏 🙌

[dapper cloak]

I'd rather they just not be play the same game as me. No pvp No griefing. You can't make everyone happy.

[mild mango]

Given the size of the game world potentially, odds are you can have parts of the world be the usual exciting kingdom/clan unga bunga warfare, and other parts be unaware it's even going on and be fully peaceful.

Like how a lot of actual world history was, where some parts were full meat grinder warfests and others had countless centuries of being unaware of anything besides their peaceful civilization.

[dapper cloak]

Tbh I also don't trust hellogames to make a balanced PvP experience. I played fallout76 in the days of legacy legendaries. I've dominated servers with guns that should never have existed.

[analog laurel]

I wonder if there will be player magic or if it's just like swords and bows

[mild mango]

Either way, even if there's 100 million players on the world somehow and it's as big as earth in size, that means every player gets at least half a mile to a mile of land to themselves, which is a lot when you really think about it.

[analog laurel]

Yeah it'll be the same thing as NMS, a massive world with massive swaths of empty space between everything. Just now you can walk to someone's base instead of flying

[mild mango]

I'm ready for mega kingdoms to pop up that make most fantasy kingdoms look small in comparison, because of the sheer nolife-tier determination some builders have in games.

[analog laurel]

I wanna see proper cities of people collaborating together, instead of sparse homesteads

[mild mango]

I mean there will at the start of course be the inevitable flood of Minecraft dirt huts or whatever this game has like that. Before inevitably people start to join up.

Of course, as usual we'll inevitably get the usual of human kingdom, elf woodlands and dwarven mines if allowed to dig into the ground/ect. that are rediculuously huge.

I also like how the trailer showed we get to play as more than just generic human race, and also have animal races too.

And like every MMO to ever exist, there will inevitably be stereotypes of every species.

My only curiosity now with the game, is what else we'll get to do in this world. With fishing, magic potentially, potentially both writing books and even playing music, making full clans/tribes/kingdoms/ect., pets and animals, farming and so on.

[warm mountain]

that's just Sean

[gritty thistle]

i wonder if we will be able to change our appearance when ever we want like in NMS

[silk crane]

You'll stay a bunny, and you will like it.

[tiny barn]

the hand is sean

[tiny barn]

give me my Steam Deck thief

[analog laurel]

Bunny is gonna be the fantasy geks

[mild mango]

I could see full kingdoms form/rise that all are of the same race/species. And then it truly IS a simulation of the planet Earth.

[silk crane]

No

[analog laurel]

Racism simulator 😳

[silk crane]

No

[tiny barn]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[mild mango]

It truly isn't an MMO unless the races hate each other/meme on each other's traits.

[tiny barn]

Bloody Gleam was down all night long. Was my one and only chance to get a OLED Steam Deck. Now I'm stuck playing on PC like a nerd.

[silk crane]

Well, they cant do that here

[mild mango]

I'm ready to watch a full-on 1000 vs 1000 player war between the Deer Kingdom and Bun Empire over who gets to rule a 5 mile area. And meanwhile the dwarves are sitting down on a cliff nearby eating popcorn.

[tiny barn]

who is going to play as an otter?

[gleaming tartan]

I'm so pumped for this game

[analog laurel]

Irl discrimination is obviously bad but virtual discrimination ✨ enhances ✨ roleplay

[gleaming tartan]

I never buy games on release anymore, always waiting for sales. I'm getting this one right away though

[mild mango]

As someone years back best put it, "It isn't truly an MMO with different races unless at least two of them hate each other's guts and want to destroy each other for petty reasons that happened eons ago".

Or in other words, Elves vs. Dwarves in various flavors.

[analog laurel]

Exactly

[mild mango]

I'm ready for unironic, actual cats vs. dogs warfare soon.

[gritty thistle]

you know damn well im picking the bunny race. or wolf/fox race i saw

[silk crane]

Yes

[mild mango]

I'm ready to go fox and then set up a shop/ect. somewhere on the planet for anyone who travels through there.

Let me be able to sell stuff to players so can then use profits for shop, and I'm 👌 .

[gleaming tartan]

There is a bunny race?

[mild mango]

Yeah, you can easily see rabbit race in the trailer.

[analog laurel]

I wanna be the largest race possible. Wonder if that big ogre guy is playable

[woeful crane]

Skeleton here.

[mild mango]

Also might play as a 🐴 race if it exists.

[main otter]

Anyone have any ideas what you actually do in the game? The trailer doesn’t show them doing much

[woeful crane]

Not yet.

[mild mango]

My assumption is if it works like most survival games, you gather materials, build armor/weapons/tools/ect. to help you do better. Then hunt/fight things, build things/a home and then inevitably team up with other players.

And it'll likely be that it is easier to work together than solo to get things done faster, to goad people to form communities.

And if it goes as I think it might, it'll start with some basic tribes forming villages/outposts, then building up bigger to actual towns, cities and full-on kingdoms/empires as things escalate.

But since trying to get players, especially console players to work together is like herding a group of cats, it's gonna be a wild first few weeks before we see some full-on cities/ect. happening.

[analog laurel]

Looks to be a survival/builder type game. Similar mechanics to NMS's core gameplay loop, but with an end goal they haven't shown off yet if there is one

[mild mango]

Essentially to tl;dr it, if you've played Minecraft servers that have a land claim/faction/town building system in place in them, it'll probably be kinda like that.

Also, someone on a video on youtube said something that I feel best summarizes this game: "If No Man's Sky is Warhammer 40K, then this is the original Warhammer."

[gritty thistle]

i really really hope its not gender locked

[hushed fossil]

I wanna play reptilian race if there is one

If not it’s the bunny

[mild mango]

Odds are you can be male or female of any species, unless it's obviously something like a golem or other not naturally made race.

If anything, this feels like it has the potential to be the ultimate D&D-like experience so to speak.

[analog laurel]

I wouldn't really hold out much hope for it being narrative driven. At most, a loose main story arc to explore the world

[hushed fossil]

I love games with survival and PvP not like crazy competitive just with the occasional raid I always thought makes online games fun and worth playing as you have to protect your things and then actually on edge when playing just in case someone raids you lol I’m terrible at PvP but just love how makes the game more interesting

[wet flint]

Can we already play any version of it?

[hushed fossil]

No not yet

[mild mango]

As long as the game doesn't end up like how Ultima Online did PvP-wise, I'm fine with PvP.

[hushed fossil]

I like ark but not official that is toxic lol community servers with friends is fun

[wet flint]

Can you explain that for people who havent played warhammer?

[gritty thistle]

:)

i wish they had a release date at the end of the trailer :(

[mild mango]

40K = space age full of countless planets, alien races and also most planets wanting to kill you/ect. Among other spookier things. OG Warhammer = fantasy setting with various races in one huge world.

[hushed fossil]

I just wanna be able to team up with people claim land and conquer other lands and bases probs to big of a wish but here’s hoping

[mild mango]

I could see it to where once you can get enough players together you can claim an area as a village/ect. And then build it up as your total population and the place itself grows to a town and then city and more.

[analog laurel]

I want a castle

I'm a simple man with simple needs

[wet flint]

I just wanna get my hands on it lol

[hushed fossil]

[wet flint]

Any info on release, platforms, anything?

[mild mango]

So it starts off as simple unga bunga tribal warfare, and by the end you have entire 1K to 2K player wars like how Planetside 2 used to have daily over areas.

[analog laurel]

We know nothing besides it exists

[wet flint]

Very sad, but alright. Hope pvp is not forced

[hushed fossil]

Hope it’s on the switch 2 or whatever Nintendo is calling it XD

[mild mango]

A war with two 1k player armies fighting over something huge would make the entire game worth it.

That's the kind of stuff that made games like EVE Online remembered for ages.

[hushed fossil]

Most mmo have ability to turn it off hopfully be the same

[analog laurel]

They literally just announced that it's a thing, we know practically nothing besides doing a frame by frame dissection of a 2 minute video

[mild mango]

I could see it to where kingdoms once formed can have their claimed lands be PvP-free.

So you can have safe areas to do things in.

[wet flint]

:/

I would love to be able to do my own thing, without having to fear for my life at any moment

[mint dune]

Steam game info says that you can play with others or alone.

[wet flint]

Its not marked as MMO

[analog laurel]

Then do so? I don't imagine HG is gonna flip to a more hardcore combat setup

[mild mango]

inb4 like real life history you either have to keep yourself well protected or hire a bodyguard to keep you safe while traveling.

[analog laurel]

NMS has fully optional pvp and I would expect LNF to have the same setup

[wet flint]

Thats why I said "hopefully no forced pvp". @mint dune , youre right, forgot about that. But multiplayer would be even better >.>

[wet flint]

Yeah thats the opposite of what Im hoping for

[mild mango]

I'm ready to have a moment where some rich player has an over 50 player army protecting them and their wagon full of goods, and then some full nolife-tier rogue/thief swooces on in and causes chaos.

[hushed fossil]

Can you make a game ? 😆everything your saying sounds like my dream game hahaha

[wet flint]

Someone on fiverr surely can

[mild mango]

It's the kind of thing that I've heard happen in games like EVE Online, Albion, ect.

[analog laurel]

At this time with how little is known about the game, the only real safe bet would be to just assume it's going to be like NMS but in a fantasy setting. Kingdoms, warfare, and the like is just wishful thinking and speculation

[wet flint]

Totally not me wishlisting it on Steam

[hushed fossil]

Either way I’m excited just to tame some animals maybe a dragon to fly around on

[mild mango]

At the least, I'm ready to see who inevitably tries to start making the "main hub city" so to speak on the planet everyone inevitably goes to.

[wet flint]

Yeah, gonna be interesting how that works. We wont run out of space in NMS, but in LFN?

[analog laurel]

It's the size of earth

[mild mango]

Since they flat-out said Earth for the thing, it's approx. 197 million square miles of space to work with.

[analog laurel]

Comprehend the massive scale of a planet with billions of people on it, and assume that 0.01% of that population at most will be present

[hushed fossil]

I can’t wait !

[wet flint]

Sameeeeee

[hushed fossil]

I just need a release date lol killing me not knowing

[wet flint]

Okay, one curator stated the planet will be infinite. Would make sense with procgen

[hushed fossil]

Is it next year year after year after that 🫠🫠😩

[wet flint]

Then again, no need to state the size of earth if that was the case...

[analog laurel]

Given how little we know, my money is on 2025 or later. If it was next year we'd at the very least have a quarterly window

[mild mango]

Assuming 500K players at most to start, that's over 394 square miles of space per player to work with. Or at least a few full Skyrim maps worth of space.

[wet flint]

TOO LITTLE

[analog laurel]

I want you to go outside right now and walk 394 miles

By the time you've done that, the game might actually be out

[wet flint]

Yeah yeah xd

[hushed fossil]

I just wanna go on a massive trail ride on my deer mount(if there is one) with some people and explore the map

[wet flint]

I so wanna volunteer as playtester

[analog laurel]

I hope they have terraforming and players can build roads

[hushed fossil]

Me too!

[analog laurel]

Imagine massive highway construction projects that dozens of people come together to work on

[hushed fossil]

That would be sick !

[wet flint]

I wanna have a secret underground base to do my whatevers from

[hushed fossil]

Didn’t valhiem have something similar with making roads ? That could be cool to see in LNF

[analog laurel]

Yes valheim has roads

[wet flint]

Valheim had the option make stone roads

Not sure what they did, but they exist

[mild mango]

Reminder the largest city to exist on the planet right now, in Greenland, is about 330,507 square miles in size. You could fit over 596 of those cities in this map if they do make it that big,

[hushed fossil]

Wonder how many people be on the server/world at once

[wet flint]

Goooooood I need info

This could be amazing

[analog laurel]

That's also not accounting for population density, because a city of that size could comfortably fit the entire playerbase in it

[mild mango]

They will likely have it to where each set area of land can hold X amount of players, and an invisible loading screen exists between them to ensure server doesn't explode.

[wet flint]

Like anomaly instances?

[hushed fossil]

I see

[mild mango]

Odds are my guess is 10K players max per set KMs worth of space.

[hushed fossil]

Omg I need need need this game

Also how many people multiplayer no man’s sky ?

[wet flint]

No idea but the multiplayer is bad so its an unreliable indicator

[mild mango]

With how huge 197 million square miles is, you could have entire Skyrim-sized adventures in a small part of the map and not even know what is going on outside of there.

[hushed fossil]

Literally travel to different countries in game

[mild mango]

That's the fun part if it goes that way. Countless small slices of the map having their own potential towns, rulers, adventures and problems, and everyone unaware of each other, too busy with their own problems.

It's just like our world, fr.

[hushed fossil]

Wonder what all the biomes will look like

[mild mango]

Odds are Sean and co. want to be sure there's at least as many biomes as exist on this planet if not more.

[wet flint]

Steam trailer looks a bit like Ark

Man. I am so hyped I have no words

[hushed fossil]

We will prob deffo see the standard ice/forest/snow maybe swamp biome but since it’s fantasy I wanna see some funky craziness to blow me away

Like some cool flora that wants to eat you or something lol

[wet flint]

Unlimited potential basically. Just hope they hold back on spiders.

[hushed fossil]

Not even a spider mount ?

That could be cool

[wet flint]

I dont do well with spiders.

[hushed fossil]

I see neither do I I think there cool as long as I’m protected by a wall and 10 feet away hahaha

[mint dune]

I think i found something intresting.

[hushed fossil]

Oh?

[analog laurel]

Did you find light no fire

Because that looks interesting

[wet flint]

Bruh

[hushed fossil]

😆

[mint dune]

Game is called "light no fire" but there is fire in game ( fire sword and lotr like fire beacon tower)

And game logo looks like fire torch

[analog laurel]

Yeah

[wet flint]

Well its not called "there is no fire"

Soooooo

[mint dune]

[analog laurel]

No mans sky actually has sky in it too

[wet flint]

[mint dune]

So fire could play a major part in the story

[hushed fossil]

Looks like a ice cream cone with a planet in it 😆

[analog laurel]

It's the atlas with a new haircut

[hushed fossil]

Love and hate game reveals like I’m thinking wooooooooooooooo but then I’m like arrrrrrrrrr it’s not out yet I’m so impatient

[wet flint]

Just turns into pirate

Relatable tbh

[analog laurel]

My problem is I want it and I want it now

[hushed fossil]

Ooo also like how we get to use axes for tree chopping and everything not done with one tool gives it more survival game feel

[hushed fossil]

Same same same

[grave needle]

lol

[hushed fossil]

When’s the next game showcase thing we’re we could see more content probably in like June or something for state of play or Xbox showcase

Also desperate like a LNF addict already 😆

[analog laurel]

I wouldn't hold out hope for more news until summer games fest tbh

Hype is a dangerous thing

[hushed fossil]

Ano to dangerous and I always fall into it

[silk crane]

Hype

What they showed is enough for me - it could literally have nothing else and I'll be happy wandering around the planet

[hushed fossil]

Gonna have to play some Skyrim to get this of my mind lol

[mild mango]

Imagine if the big game gimmick for LNF, is that we first "invent"/discover fire, and as the game goes on players can discover or invent new things that everyone else in the game world eventually can learn to do/use too. And so essentially you can have both technologically advanced utopia kingdoms, and primitive unga bunga prehistoric caveman war lands.

[hushed fossil]

Also hyped for beyond Skyrim project literally so many things coming can’t wait !

[mint dune]

Welp. It seams like nobody shares my teory on game logo. But i bet some ytubers will also catch that simliarity.

[mild mango]

Essentially, imagine a player discovers a way to make a new tool, or building, or other thing. And once built, they can share if they want the info on how to build it with others or hoard it for themselves (where then people can raid for new technology).

True irl history simulator.

[hushed fossil]

That would be cool

[mild mango]

Imagine full-on wars being waged because both sides want to learn how to make pizza.

[hushed fossil]

I see it

[mild mango]

And of course, can make warfare quite wild as a tribe/faction/ect. learns a new tool, weapon or such, and uses it to their advantage.

[hushed fossil]

Right I’m off to hopfully sleep and try not to be up thinking about this lol goodnight guys

[mild mango]

Anyways, my assumption is that it'll start off with people teaming up for safety against the PvE threats in the world to form safe places like a village or eventual town to be able to not get eaten/destroyed at night. But once monsters/beasts are no longer a problem, the inevitable player vs player warfare begins.

[hushed fossil]

One last thing before I go, love this idea

[mild mango]

Also, I hope they allow a ton of culinary fun as well for this game.

[main echo]

and lots and lots of fishing!

[mild mango]

And of course plenty of clothing/fashion too.

[hushed fossil]

Ano I was suppose to be going but I have to once again say I’d love to see fishing and fashion 😆

[mint dune]

Turns pvp off*. They can try

[mild mango]

If anything, it'll probably be "you form a tribe/village/ect., and can then mark the claimed land as PvP off".

[silk crane]

@unreal valve

[unreal valve]

Thank you!

So excited for Light No Fire. After sinking near over 700 hours into NMS, all I really want is that sense of exploration. To walk through a unique vista/forest etc.. so pumped!

[torn shadow]

Did they announce a rough date? Quarter? Year even?

[frail forge]

No. The website https://www.lightnofire.com/ says Release Date: TBC

[torn shadow]

darn

same on steam

[mild mango]

My assumption is 2026/2027, unless we get beta testing way earlier.

Also even if the mountains are actually miles in height, I'm ready to do the age-old open world tradition of Bethesda Horse Climbing(tm) those things to the top ez.

[outer cliff]

one think a good thing about light no fire is that there will be no rush compared to no man's sky

no publisher telling u hey u need to release it for the summer we need a big summer hit

u have the money to do it by urself u have the time and everything

[mild mango]

Unless Sony is doing the PS6 any time soon, likely nothing to worry about.

[outer cliff]

nah because nms was playstation exclusive

and sony was kinda the publisher for the release of nms on console

not anymore there no rush and u can expect light no fire to be both on playstation and xbox and pc

[lavish notch]

I've got to admit, I'm not really a fan of Fantasy, especially the whimsical or self-indulgent - BUT oh my word this looks so good! Pretty much certain to be buying this day 1 to play. I see so many echoes of NMS in LNF, and something that is important to me they've continued to show excellence in the sound design from what we've seen in the trailer. The theme song is just sublime.

Talking of sound - in NMS, we have one of the main peices of music where the a woman sings "Ahhhhhhhhhh - Ahhhhhhhhhhh" - do you here an echo or nod in the sound at about 1m46 - just before here

There is the merest, quickest hint of a simialar sound

[mild mango]

Watching the trailer again, if we can build full castles or even full-on traditional fantasy towns/cities that can rival stuff from Lord of the Rings, I will consider this GotY when it's out already.

The idea of full-on majestic/epic in scale kingdoms and cities made by player work alone excites me.

Massive majestic castles, giant sprawling tunnel system dwarf-like empires, massive fortresses made by the biggest nolifer-tier players, and more.

[outer cliff]

damn cobra doing videos about hello games again

nostalgia

[mild mango]

I wanna share image of what I saw, but seems can't post images?

But yeah, did see essentially rabbit player in part of the trailer, along-side signs with strange text you can place down too with buildings.

Approx. 40 seconds into the trailer shows such.

[hollow cliff]

Light no fire is such a bland name tho

[blissful vault]

so is no mans sky?

simple is fine

[silk crane]

I like it

I may be biased though

[blissful vault]

maybe a bit

but so do i

[analog laurel]

What would you call it, CardLetter?

[ashen loom]

Do yall think the thingy in light no fire is an earlier version or another version of the atlas
Or has some connection?

[analog laurel]

This is probably gonna sound like sacrilege but I hope they're completely independent of each other and only have aesthetic similarities at most

[ashen loom]

Dang

I hope it's the same thing but FAR in the past

Or like

Another iteration

[analog laurel]

Nah. I think connecting the two together would just water down the lore of both, they'd lose more than they'd gain by having an interconnected universe

[ashen loom]

I think it could expand on no mans sky but still solify itself as its own thing

We'll really just have to see what they do

[analog laurel]

I think it's better for them creatively to not be constrained by the limitations of an existing canon

[ashen loom]

What I'm saying is I don't think they really are

[outer cliff]

the good thing is that nms and light no fire can be both benefitial for each other

[main echo]

I dislike the name as well, but then again, same with No Man's Sky - if you think about it. Besides, the trailer has lots of fire/flame shown here and there so I guess ya can Light a Fire. 😄

[hollow cliff]

No mans land

Light no fire

It’s not even idk

Makes no sense

[main echo]

Neither name does

[hollow cliff]

It does

[analog laurel]

And no mans land does? Is there a war going on?

[hollow cliff]

No man sky

That makes sense

[main echo]

that makes zero sense also

[hollow cliff]

It’s space

[analog laurel]

Imply no mans sky made sense to begin with

[main echo]

LOL

[hollow cliff]

There no man in the space

[main echo]

huh?

[analog laurel]

And we haven't seen a lit fire either

[hollow cliff]

???

[hollow cliff]

What do you not get

[analog laurel]

My mans doesn't even know what no mans land is 💀

[mint dune]

Flame swords and fire beacon towers *

[main echo]

Oh I see whatcha mean. I still think in general the name conventions here are lackluster

[mint dune]

Game logo a literal torch

[hollow cliff]

You don’t either then

You know ww1 history

They called a line between 2 trenches no mans land

Cus there’s no man alive there

[analog laurel]

Yes so where's the trenches that no mans sky is between?

[hollow cliff]

It would make perfect sense it’s a new un explored earth

[hollow cliff]

?

[analog laurel]

And where would the trenches be in this game?

[hollow cliff]

I’m so confused what are you getting at

[analog laurel]

You said it makes sense and you've confused yourself

[hollow cliff]

It does lol

You just can’t comprehend

[main echo]

wow

[hollow cliff]

Not my fault

[analog laurel]

It is your fault lmao you can't explain what you mean

[hollow cliff]

I literally did

You just don’t understand

Alright let me break it down to you

No mans sky

There’s no man in the sky

Because it’s space

Apparently y’all do

[analog laurel]

But if I'm in the sky is it my sky then

[hollow cliff]

🤦‍♂️

[analog laurel]

Does it become my man's sky while I'm flying?

[hollow cliff]

If you think so go ahead

[analog laurel]

You've spent more time complaining people don't understand you than you have stringing together a coherent thought

[main echo]

lol

[hollow cliff]

Keep talking

You can’t comprehend what I’m saying

Read a book

Gain some knowledge first

Yes

[analog laurel]

"Gain some knowledge" - the guy who says words that make no sense to anyone but him and then gets mad when people don't read his mind to know what he means because he lacks the eloquence to clarify

[hollow cliff]

Spit it out

[hollow cliff]

Only you don’t understand

[main echo]

We're all really just blabbin bout a game here, sorry if I said offensive stuff, I actually just came in here due to the excitement of Hello Games saying what they've been workin on.

[hollow cliff]

Astar understood me

[hollow cliff]

Don’t say your sorry

Arguing is good

You can’t get nothing done without a debate

[analog laurel]

Saying dumb things for the sake of conjuring disagreement isn't a good faith argument

[hollow cliff]

Blah blah blah

Spewing nonsense

😂

[analog laurel]

What a measured and intelligent retort

[hollow cliff]

Yes

Anyways

Have a good day

[analog laurel]

I don't want to

[hollow cliff]

🤷‍♂️

Alright

[dapper cloak]

My guess is typical NMS stuff. Explore, document, collect resources, build bases, collect radiant missions.

[hollow cliff]

Seems like it

Like Minecraft

But better

Cooler

Most importantly more entertaining

[dapper cloak]

Lol. Why the minecraft hate?

[hollow cliff]

Blocks

[main echo]

What hate, I saw that as a compliment... lol

[dapper cloak]

Ahh. You mean the blocks are small enough that you cat see them.

[hollow cliff]

People get sensitive about there games it’s alr

[hollow cliff]

Yes

Especially having to jump over them

Mountains

🤮

The worst

[dapper cloak]

Stairs*

[analog laurel]

(just wait until he finds out what shape pixels are)

[hollow cliff]

Do you walk on pixles

Mr

[dapper cloak]

But you do have a point. My jump button is worn down by the excessive jumping.

[analog laurel]

You know you can hold down for continous jumping right

[dapper cloak]

Lol. Yes but not every jump is close enough to justify endless jump. Rather, maybe I should suck it up and turn on auto jump...

[analog laurel]

I hate to burst your bubble but there's a 99% chance LNF is going to be voxel based, just like NMS is. They just have terrain smoothing so it doesn't look blocky

[dapper cloak]

My group of 8 survivalists is gonna be fun to play this with. I just hope there is enough to justify all eight of us day one. I also hope we'll be able to join in together an not be polar opposite sides of the planet.

If not, I guess I'll start walking 🚶

[dapper cloak]

I believe "it doesn't look blocky" is gonna be the main appeal for them.

[analog laurel]

I'm fairly certain they've learned their lesson and will launch with the option to spawn by friends

[dapper cloak]

Thas my hope

[hazy imp]

hello

[hushed fossil]

Guys remember when I said I never played NMS well I picked it up and I’ve played for 3 hours straight 👀👀

went to another solar system

Forget how big the universe is

[mild mango]

Another thought I just had: Given all the species/races in the game so far shown, what if you only understand your own starting species' language at the start, and the others come off as gibberish/ect. at first when players/NPCs of other races speak to you or have signs/ect. of their language? And you have to learn their language to be able to understand them.

[silk crane]

That would be neat

[mild mango]

Either by having NPCs teach you, or having a player with the skill to do so teach you one bit at a time.

[gritty thistle]

slams card on table meme

[mild mango]

And even if you don't learn it, the written language for each species isn't random but has a consistent way it's written/ect. And so you can likely guess what something means on signs/ect. once you get a good idea of things like what a shop or inn is.

[gritty thistle]

i need this game already

lmao

im so excited

[gritty thistle]

iirc everquest 2 did something like this. well with the enemy npcs

[mild mango]

As for the start of the game, you'll likely start off somewhere with enough resources to at least craft basic clothes, tools, ect.

Stuff like an ax for trees, pickaxe for rocks/minerals, the usual stuff.

And then after that, learning how to build essential things like a workbench/crafting table/whatever it's called in this game, a furnace, a basic hut for shelter, ect.

[gritty thistle]

i do hope singleplayer vs multiplayer world is separate

[mild mango]

I wouldn't be shocked if you start in a tutorial single player world, and then are encouraged to go to the main multiplayer world.

[jagged moat]

I suspect it will have a toggle like nms

[mild mango]

I'm ready for how fast people climb the tech tree/ladder for the game as players team up/form clans/tribes, to see who is still primitive and who is essentially already using guns.

[hazy imp]

you guys working on an LNF server?

[silk crane]

Yes

Mostly set up, hoping to make it public tomorrow - few bot things to do

Will be small in comparison to this one, channel wise - as we don't know much

[hazy imp]

Rad

I didn't get to start NMS at launch so I'm excited to get in on LNF at the beginning

[mild mango]

I'm ready for when some new player joins the game a week after launch with just nothing but a loincloth and a rock, before a pack of bears wearing mythril armor holding M16s swarm the newbie and start speaking in loud Russian and blasting the Soviet Union anthem at max volume demanding them to drop their only thing they have to start with.

aka the true Survival game initiation by fire as per usual.

[thin ore]

im hoping its gonna be like NMS where you can turn PVP off so you can prevent that

[hazy imp]

It's probably not going to be an mmo

I have a feeling it's going to be more like multiplayer

Where you have to party up and whatnot

[thin ore]

im thinking its prob gonna be like how nms is, really big, so people are spread out and multiplayer/pvp is an option

looked to have a bit in common with NMS from the trailer so might be the same engine / multiplayer setup

[mild mango]

I've played a game on Roblox that I remembered just now a year back, that gave me similar vibes to this game. And if LNF does something similar, we'll likely get a "spirit guide" at the very start to keep in fantasy theme, to teach us the basics then vanish.

Since they can't repeat the whole AI assistant thing for this game.

[wide sage]

https://youtu.be/Vk-GJDlAYVA?feature=shared

The song from the trailer

I didn't link the official upload because the video is a lil gruesome

[wet flint]

Is there gonna be a ping or something?

[silk crane]

I'll post here

[wet flint]

Alright. Need to stalk this intensely then

[ashen loom]

Only nonbinary people in space

[wet flint]

[ashen loom]

Same I only started playing in 2022

[hollow cliff]

[ashen loom]

Real!

[wet flint]

??

What are you even saying

[ashen loom]

34559b8

[copper sand]

I think i saw someone mention an hippo race in this, anybody got a screenshot of it in the trailer?

[outer cliff]

https://fxtwitter.com/nomanssky/status/1733321745581461755?s=46 woops

[mild mango]

Sorry Sean, but can't stop won't stop.

I think it's just hit that right spot to drive everyone's imaginations wild with what could happen.

As long as there's plenty of building styles for walls/buildings/ect. so can have straw/grass/hay, wood, stone, metal, ect. types of walls, roofs, ect, then we cooking.

Maybe just me, but truly want it to feel like the world starts off in the stone age with tools, buildings, ect. nice and simple, and eventually blossoms into some truly amazing things as people learn new stuff.

[copper sand]

I live for that all players coexisting on the same planet announcement

[copper sand]

You also joined the day it was announced huh? XD

[mild mango]

I'm ready for the game to simulate how civilization/humanity actually went in speedrun mode. Starting with tribes to survive the harsh world (and inevitable tribal warfare for resources). Then actual civilizations forming and growing as new technology is discovered, and things escalating from there.

[mild mango]

I had been on here before when I played NMS on PS4, but had too many discords on my account so had to clean up and forgot til this game got announced.

[frail forge]

@modern tapir Hi

This is the #1182531870613831740 thread for now... :D

[modern tapir]

Hi

[modern tapir]

thank you

[modern tapir]

happy to see that. also noticed it's climbing Steam most wishlist game

[grave needle]

Come on baby "Light No Fire"

[grave needle]

Yo HeRo 👋

Friend entity NinNin

I've had that small phrase stuck in my head and playing on loop since last night, lol!

[rose plover]

I’m really looking forward to this, I just hope my parents will let me get it when it releases

[jagged moat]

Cool fan art from reddit

[rose plover]

Flying thing in the back kinda looks like a Charizard

[grave needle]

Already? Dang nice.

[jagged moat]

Yeah that seemed really fast lol

[cunning comet]

Rigogen's art is always great. love their "Ghibli" style

also, that Gek on the dragon is totally the same one from this one

[jagged moat]

Yeah same, I love the style.
reminds me of the original Hobbit animations

[hushed fossil]

As it’s put down as a survival game wonder if it will have hunger and thirst mechanics

[wet flint]

Something I would like this game to have as an option: proximity voicechat

I think especially for exploring, that could be REALLY immersive

[warm mountain]

My social feature wishlist:
Text chat
Proximity voice chat
Mail/letter system
World message system similar to Souls/Elden Ring

[wet flint]

just elden ring as entire thing

I dunno how mail system would make sense though. Maybe you unlock it with a certain building or tech

Just put up a mailbox outside your house lol

[warm mountain]

Let passersby leave whatever they want in your mailbox

[wet flint]

Cant wait for someone to leave dragon poop in

[mint dune]

Its technicaly a wyvern.

Still would send poop tho 😈

[wet flint]

Ill hide my mailbox from you

In all seriousness though, I hope there will be shady goods for trade

[lavish notch]

Pinched off of Twitter

[weary elbow]

oh shit

game theory video incoming lol

[silk crane]

Lol

[warm mountain]

@vapid plinth

Good morning light people. Remember to not light any fires today!

[vapid plinth]

Don't at me I ain't getting into this again I got called stupid last time 😂

[warm mountain]

Sean Sean Sean. How am I supposed to live with this game not yet released

😭

[lavish notch]

I've not seen a picture of a cave or cavern. As a pale, middle-aged hetero spelunker, I'm feeling marginalised 😭

[grave needle]

Just because it's red? SMH! Twitter can be a wild place.

[wintry dome]

I'm wondering just how deep the oceans can go. That's one thing we haven't seen in either the NMS updates nor the LNF trailer

They really need to extend those much much deeper

[lavish notch]

Possibly because the remembrance doofer is similar to the orb shown in LNF, and the Remembrance doofer is "a relic of another place" - which could be taken many, many ways.

Best to ask the poster on twitter of their convictions, as all is conjecture based a bit of video at the moment 🙂

[grave needle]

Yeah!

Speculations are nice, there's a giant with knowledge stone marking

That looks cool!

Maybe it's the knowledge bro, gleam coined the term. 🤣

[wintry dome]

Knowledge Bro, I like it

[mild mango]

Honestly, all the game needs is to be able to dig into/through the ground/earth itself to dig tunnels/caves, and the fun begins.

[lavish notch]

Just a thought, but I think I remember reading that Hello Games paid a well know author to write a deeper background story/lore for NMS. Wonder if a bigger, wider story was written than NMS presents. I do see a lot of nods/echos of NMS in the trailer. Looking forward to playing LNF one day 🙂

[mild mango]

Still, above all else, LNF def. needs a way to replenish resources/things like trees and so on. Because otherwise as anyone who has ever played on a minecraft server for 5 minutes could tell you, the planet will go from a lush beautiful place, to 2B2T hellscape without any way to salvage the game because of how players are.

Because if there's one thing humanity is good at more than anything else, it's burning through resources faster than a fat guy burning through a Golden Corral.

[wintry dome]

Probably the same as current NMS. Assets regenerate after some time

[mild mango]

Perhaps. But for me, I'd prefer to have to actually replenish it in more traditional Farm Sim methods. Aka growing trees/crops/ect. to actually be able to affect the world and not just have infinite resources.

[wintry dome]

I seriously doubt there will be anything like that

[mint dune]

Maybe this time ground will be also saved in base build data. Since there is only 1 planet.

Ofc there will be a limit for it

[wintry dome]

They definitely need to find a solution to terrain edits, if they haven't already

[mild mango]

At least allowing crops, plants and trees to need players to grow them. Also allowing players to actually affect the planet by essentially growing their own forests/farms/ect.

[mild mango]

Some small group of players soon to be on their way to transform an area of land the size of Florida into the Mines of Moria.

But to be fair, I want to see actual permanent change happening to the world over time via player shenanigans. To feel less like the world never changes, and more like an actual world with history, change and so on.

In all honesty, I have only one goal for the game when it's out once the inevitable tutorial/setting up base stuff is over: Create a road/ect. that does a complete loop around the planet like -, and then one going | for the ultimate crossroads for everyone to use.

[silk crane]

I wouldn't want that personally, I want to see what their vision is, not other players inevitably making crappy and trollish areas

"Look a penis mountain har har har"

[mild mango]

If anything, it might be me, but I'd prefer to have it to where we get the one world, and after that it's up to the players to care for it and work with what they got.

[silk crane]

Oh god

[mild mango]

Even if the inevitable trolls/ect. happen, odds are it'll be easy enough for players to fix/undo mistakes with enough effort.

"You want to remove this giant dong mountain? You got the tools, so you can destroy it with your own two hands."

[silk crane]

I hope there is singleplayer so I don't see anybody's anything

[mild mango]

If anything, I want multiplayer to be the main thing. Constantly going single player only to avoid player interaction I feel is kinda silly. Especially when a lot of the game feels more fit to actually play together from what I've seen so far. And it's kinda strange to not want to even exist near any players because "oh no, I might see someone make a schmeat mountain nearby or dig near my house" or so on.

That kind of "I want to do everything on my own, and never interact with anyone ever" mentality is the kind of thing that hollowed out MMOs to the core, and also feels more like a "I don't want to interact with anyone in today's internet because of people being dumb" thing.

[silk crane]

I don't want to be forced to interact with people

I'll choose when I do so

[mild mango]

Given the potential giga amount of space the game world likely will have, you probably won't even realize anyone exists depending on where you start. And even then, you can just go somewhere else to avoid human/player contact.

Aka the "move north until civilization stops existing" plan people do in the US when sick of people.

After all, the world will be big enough that short of hackers happening, you can do your own solo thing.

197 million square miles is plenty of space to be left alone with.

[silk crane]

Every MMO ever is full of griefers and d-bags and it's easy to find people if it's going to be a multiplayer focused game. Now, I want to play multiplayer, but if I find a beautiful area to build my home, I don't want the local guild/clan barging in and taking over

[tribal belfry]

The problem with modern multiplayer in games is the potential negativity, it can make some players wary.

[mild mango]

Given it took someone who knew what they were doing over 5 hours to cross the entire Just Cause 2 map and that was only 1036 square KM, it would unironically take years for any random traveler, let alone guild or clan to find your base.

[silk crane]

I've a feeling the multiplayer will be similiar to NMS anyways, opt in, settings to bring safety - so this is all just chat speculation and wishes

[tribal belfry]

I put my "home cluster" in NMS far enough from civilised space to not be found, but close enough to come visit should I ever wish to.

[mild mango]

Still, odds are you can likely choose to PvP or not. And as for base protection, it'll probably be a "you can join with others for a tribe/clan/village protection and as long as that group still stands your base is safe" kind of thing.

[tribal belfry]

I don't trust players not to find a weird exploit, so I don't want my home in a place players might find it.

[silk crane]

A little thing I noticed in the trailer also - it was always adventure together - no mention of fight against each other...there may not even be PvP

[mild mango]

I wouldn't be shocked if we have huge cities made by the inevitable few top clans/kingdoms/ect. that will happen as per tradition, while others go deep into the wilderness to avoid it.

[wet flint]

Maybe gets introduced later, or there are dedicated pvp zones

[mild mango]

My gut feeling is we'll get "areas that have valuable resources but PvP is allowed there" zones.

[wet flint]

What if I just want to live in my little dirt hut? Alone?

[wet flint]

Possible

[mild mango]

Best get to hiking boi to some remote corner of the world.

[wet flint]

Thats a sucky concept

[mild mango]

Essentially you'll have big cities happening, and then huts deep in the wilderness by players doing their own thing.

[silk crane]

That's assuming a lot

[tribal belfry]

Sounds right, I am suspicious of guilds/clans. I have been burned way too many times.

[wet flint]

I will be one of those people who just comes into town every 6 months to buy a shitton of supplies, and then vanishes into the wild

[silk crane]

We don't even know what the lobby size is

Might be 8

[mild mango]

Enough years of Minecraft multiplayer, Rust and other survival games have taught me players engage in some similar patterns.

[wet flint]

If such structures exist gamewise

[mild mango]

It's usually "the few big/top groups form their own cities or fortresses, everyone else is in huts on the outskirts".

[silk crane]

That's exactly why I hope this game doesn't go that route

[mild mango]

And usually one of them is full of Russians.

Somehow, every time.

[silk crane]

Sounds boring, and restrictive

[mild mango]

It's more-so players that form groups usually try to make giant castles/forts/cities and try to claim the land for themselves in survival games.

[wet flint]

I dont want to be forced to join a faction or whatever, just to be able to log off without worrying to return to my base in shambles

[silk crane]

Cant go here, clan blocked it off, cant go there, clan blocked it off

[mild mango]

It be that way tho.

Much like the internet, it usually ends up as "you either join a main group/ect. or you're on the outside looking in".

[silk crane]

Id wager money this game isn't anything like that

[mild mango]

Us vs. Them is just eternal.

[silk crane]

Report base lol

All your city gone for me

[mild mango]

Also might be me, but I doubt it'd just be only 8 players to an entire 197 million square mile planet.

[wet flint]

I hope they find some good solution so everyone who wants to live peacefully can do so.

[mild mango]

My assumption is peaceful and "dangerous" areas. And if PvP exists, the dangerous areas will be where it be at fighting for later game resources.

So if you want to fight, it be there.

[tribal belfry]

I am concerned about the possibility of larger groups bullying smaller groups, PvP better have heavy restrictions if it even exists.

[wet flint]

That also sucks, because to get resources, you need better gear, and to get better gear, you probably need better resources. See the issue?

[silk crane]

HG clearly wants us to explore the planet, not restrict people from areas

[mild mango]

If MMOs and online games taught me anything, number difference can be solved with a good old bit of guerilla warfare.

If you can't beat them 1v1, be smarter with tactics.

[wet flint]

Good luck when you do zero damage

[mild mango]

If you can't damage them, let the local wildlife solve the problem. Or as MMO players would say, "train a group of beasts that can easily squash them and lead them to the other stronger side".

[silk crane]

Just sayin, literally no mention of fighting each other

[wet flint]

Good, I hope that prevails, including griefing

[silk crane]

It's all explore together, survive together, build together

Time will tell

[tribal belfry]

I'm also concerned about resources. If a rare resource is nonrenewable, be prepared for a few large groups to hog those spots and charge heavy prices.

[mild mango]

Great Britain: He just like me fr

[wet flint]

Cant you bribe Sean to give it to us now

[shrewd rain]

wondering if it will be kind of like valheim

[wet flint]

In some ways probably

[mild mango]

Honestly, just give players something of a challenge, so groups don't just build giant forts and then never leave them/have any reason to leave once self-sustaining.

[silk crane]

Sure

[wet flint]

[wet flint]

Why? If they wanna do that, why not?

[tribal belfry]

I hope LNF will have a community as positive as NMS.

[wet flint]

Last thing I will do if someone hunkers down in their fort to grow 5000 carrots is complain

[brave swallow]

without a doubt

[wet flint]

I have doubts but to each their own

[mild mango]

My only issue is having some group start building literally nonstop to cover stupid amounts of land/claiming said land before inevitably the group collapses due to irl drama....and then new players having nowhere to build when most lands is claimed.

[tribal belfry]

It takes a lot more than moderation.

[mild mango]

A problem Conan Exiles multiplayer had.

[wet flint]

Is that related to the fort thing or seperate?

[shrewd rain]

there is no release date or even release year, right?

[brave swallow]

I'm sure limits may or not be be put in place plus being the size of Earth there should be plenty for all of us 🙂

[wet flint]

You can wishlist it though

[shrewd rain]

yeah. i did so day 1, after game awards xD

[wet flint]

Please DO NOT say that

[wet flint]

Same xd

[mild mango]

I want to believe that players/people on the internet won't leave the entire planet-sized game map a giant hellscape unable to be played/exist on. But then I remember 2B2T exists.

[wet flint]

Any chance HG will do playtesting applications?

[brave swallow]

I have a feeling if there's a XP system then that will play into how much land you can obtain/own

[tribal belfry]

1/6th Manhattan(assuming 10 million players) isn't as big as you would think.

[mild mango]

Reminder 2B2T started off normal....and within 2 weeks tops it turned into a giant crater for over 500K blocks of square area.

[wet flint]

That doesnt exactly solve anything

[brave swallow]

slows the rate at which people can claim a certain plot of land

[wet flint]

For the crazy people it doesnt

[brave swallow]

lol true

[mild mango]

If it does happen, as long as there's enough land claim for newbies to at least get started then it gud.

[wet flint]

And those are the issue, soooo

[tribal belfry]

Sounds like it would reward the no-life player while leaving the new/casual with almost nothing.

[brave swallow]

a tricky one HG i'm sure are experimenting with

[mild mango]

Honestly, the true ominous problem is if physics happen with digging(if it exists). Where one guy with no life and spite towards the human race could dig down and then dig out the entire planet underneath to have everything crash down after.

[wet flint]

Dont think we'll get our 450 bases on this game boys

[brave swallow]

especially on the scale of a MMO

[mild mango]

You think it isn't possible, but some madman in Minecraft did so to dig out under an entire mountain just cause he could.

[tribal belfry]

So maybe we don't get all players sharing 1 planet exactly?

[wet flint]

Bedrock layer like in NMS and he can go fuck himself

[mild mango]

I'd say whether we get one planet only or multiple, depends on how many players a server can handle max.

[brave swallow]

some madman also dugout the entire map of Minecraft classic

[mild mango]

Ah, the good old "I will do it because bored and people say I can't" spite moment.

[wet flint]

I was thinking maybe there are preset building sites, but 1. thats... Bad with procgen, 2. that doesnt solve anything if two people take the same house and 3. people will hate it

[wet flint]

Having 64 people per instance sounds possible, and could make it feel a bit alive

[mild mango]

There was one other game who did a similar "a massive world where everyone could build their own homes, settle down, have adventures, do whatever they want" thing. The only difference is, the devs/publisher for it went fully insane and charged endless $ for everything you could do/limited everything.

Don't remember the name of it, but I'm sure someone likely knows what I am talking about.

[tribal belfry]

Aren't there multiple?

[wet flint]

Multiple what?

[tribal belfry]

Multiple such games?

[wet flint]

Ohh. Probably

[mild mango]

I could see the game being set in "areas" with tons of space per each and X number of players per area. Like how the game Foxhole does it to where it has massive warzones with X players from each side in each hexagon area playercount-wise.

That way areas feel lively/full of activity without nuking the servers.

[tribal belfry]

I know Dual Universe tried something with a few planets of a bit smaller size, and when I looked at it, almost all land was claimed already.

[brave swallow]

this is something that i've been wondering about, will it be segmented or completely seemless.

[wet flint]

Maybe fixed transition zones somehow

[mild mango]

Odds are in segments but with barely noticable loading walls/ect.

[wet flint]

Agh. But how with procgen

Thing is, all this could be foregon if the world was infinite

[mild mango]

I could see areas being in 1KM, 5KM or 10KM sized chunks.

Also looking at it, 10KM areas would be easily enough space per section. As that's more than a fourth the size of a Skyrim map.

[wet flint]

For how many players?

[mild mango]

My assumption is 1K players per area, maybe 500 if have to keep it reasonable.

At max.

[tribal belfry]

If the world was infinite, there would be a tiny chance for player encounters. That's what I think HG wants to improve: the chance of encountering another player and the reasons to collaborate.

If it being an MMO holds up, that is.

[wet flint]

True actually

Its not labelled as MMO

[mild mango]

Yeah, given the whole "so infinite will never meet" incident likely stuck in Sean's mind ever since that moment.

[tribal belfry]

But the system of player hubs is not a bad one.

[brave swallow]

i just hope and i'm sure it will go smoothly for HG, you could see how jittery and nervous Sean was on stage

[tribal belfry]

What HG needs to do, is make player hubs more significant.

[wet flint]

But not forced

[mild mango]

If anything, what would be cool is to allow players to make their own hubs as cities once advanced enough. So players can do to those places to buy things, socialize and more.

[wet flint]

Minimap? Cities get a marker? Hmmm?

[mild mango]

And could even have it to where cities can link to each other, incentivizing wanting to travel to one.

[wet flint]

Like fast travel?

[mild mango]

Essentially a "portal" system. To where once a city is made, if you can connect one city to another, players can travel between them.

[wet flint]

Yeah thats what I said xd fast travel

[mild mango]

Also encouraging big groups to work together.

[wet flint]

I also want it to be enjoyable for hermits though

[tribal belfry]

I am more concerned about players claiming most or even all land than hubs pushing players to interact.

[silk crane]

Seems some people want to do just that

[mild mango]

It'll probably have a time limit once claimed where you have to do something with the land claimed that isn't mindlessly placing blocks or it ends.

And odds are mods/ect. will likely keep an eye out on such too. Only swoocing in for such and nothing else to let things play out naturally.

[silk crane]

Uh

[wet flint]

That would require in game moderation....

Somehow I doubt HG will do that

[silk crane]

Not super likely

[mild mango]

At most it'd likely only be a last resort thing in case some nolife-tier players try to block everyone from touching anything in the game.

[tribal belfry]

I doubt HG even has the resources to sustain an MMO.

[silk crane]

Which will happen if it's as some are thinking it will be

I have some doubts on the MMO part personally

Acronym never used so far by them

[wet flint]

Note that you cant just pull ingame mods out of your ass

[mild mango]

inb4 they actually do what the Native/Mesoamericans believed was done with corrupted/unsalavage earths, to "do a new one" in case the current one is impossible for any players to do anything anymore.

[tribal belfry]

Not sure if old players would like that one.

[mild mango]

"Sorry, we had to flood the planet and make a new one because someone turned all the mountains into schmeat".

Fun fact: The Aztecs believed we were on the 5th Earth currently, and each past earth ended a different way. Usually because one guy ruined it for everyone else.

Also one earth was ended via it raining jaguars.

[tribal belfry]

HG is still a small team.

[brave swallow]

https://hellogames.org/join-us/

[mild mango]

But anyways, besides that stuff, I am mostly curious how they will handle language, both writen and spoken by the various races in the game.

Unless it's everyone understands everything at the start, we'll likely have to learn the words/spoken stuff races that aren't what we start as say or write down.

As said last night iirc, there was a sign about 40 seconds into the trailer that clearly isn't in English. And we'll likely have to learn how to read what it says.

[grave needle]

Tone down the language a bit, @wet flint. Parent channel rules & server rules still apply on this thread.

Bad

[tribal belfry]

Sure, but AAA games usually have at least 300 employees working on them.

[grave needle]

Yeah, but HG never claimed any of their games to be AAA, it's an indie game-dev company with a small team, and it makes indie games that are far better than many AAA games.

So join HG.

[tribal belfry]

I have yet to see a successful MMO with less than a AAA-sized team.

[grave needle]

MMO... LNF isn't a MMO, it's a single player game with co-op. They are advertising multiplayer experience, not a massively multiplayer online experience. 😦

[tribal belfry]

They should specify that.

[grave needle]

It will be same as NMS, we speculate, and nobody specific the fine prints.

Gotta read between the lines sometimes.

[tribal belfry]

Marketing always fails to clarify what a game is not.

[grave needle]

It won't be marketing otherwise 😉

[velvet axle]

The steam tags do have Single-player and online co-op though ^_^

[tribal belfry]

That is interesting.

[grave needle]

Here's the deal, if they pull off a MMO like feature in LNF it will come to NMS first because that will mean they have acquired rights to servers. What other place to test the servers than NMS.

If the next NMS update has anything remotely close to a server we can log into, it will cement the notion that LNF will follow suit.

[gritty thistle]

i could see it working like. an area will act as a huge zone. and you can see players in that area. and when you move to another area like the grass forest to the mountains. it swaps and then you see the players that are in the mountains or something

[gritty thistle]

MMO NMS.... that would be amazing

so in short it will probably work similar to how systems in nms are its own little "server"

where you only see players there if they are there.

and maybe the cities will act as the games anomaly

where you can see everyone and party up there

🤷‍♀️

[tribal belfry]

I don't see the need. The player hubs system does its job well.

[velvet axle]

Making it a full MMO would also limit things like the mod support, save file editing etc. which are kinda staples of NMS at this point

[gritty thistle]

but again we only can know whats in it by the trailer

im gonna be a magical bunny girl caster :)

[grave needle]

Heck yeah! Hahahaha

[gritty thistle]

or

GREAT SWORD swinging bunny girl HAHAHA!

[silk crane]

Which didn't mention MMO nor show many players at once

[grave needle]

This*

[velvet axle]

True, we've not even seen a hub with the amount of players as the Anomaly. Maybe 6/7 max on screen in the trailer ever. 😄

[grave needle]

Yup!

[gritty thistle]

so it could work how systems work in nms

regarding mp

[grave needle]

It is going to be co-op! Consider the same stuff as NMS.

[gritty thistle]

yeah thats where im going with it

[silk crane]

I love speculation, of course - but I really don't think this is going to be a standard MMO as far as players go

[gritty thistle]

hyped nonetheless

[silk crane]

Same

[grave needle]

Same

I like the exploration aspect of the game the most, it's very promising

[silk crane]

One reason I don't see it allowing for players to block off areas

[velvet axle]

I do also think it's clever that the marketing mirrors NMS a lot. It sets some boundaries to a game that theoretically could do anything. I'm excited to see which elements the games share and what is new though. 😄

[gritty thistle]

😎 hey gleam will our NMS discord levels carry over to light no fire discord

[silk crane]

F no

[velvet axle]

Loved the little tease of Light No Fire combat. Hope that's sollid! 😄

[gritty thistle]

😭

[silk crane]

[wet flint]

Fine

[grave needle]

How will players even block areas off? Build walls? lol!

[velvet axle]

I assume there's no offical Discord yet, right?

Early days and all 😄

[silk crane]

Yeah, see any MMO with building

Walls and roofs around resources and areas

[rose plover]

Is there a LNF discord yet?

[gritty thistle]

soon

[grave needle]

[gritty thistle]

santa gleam is gleaming

[grave needle]

Discord should be up soon, as this kicks up more traction. I hope.

[rose plover]

Will it have the same staff as this server

[silk crane]

I'm looking at today, needs some more tweaking for public access

[silk crane]

Some yeah

[velvet axle]

Really happy to see 2.7 mil views on that Light No Fire trailer. Launching a new IP is always scary, but this is a really strong start. Well-deserved IMO. 😄

[rose plover]

Mythos?

[silk crane]

Yes

[rose plover]

Because I assume you’re gonna be there

[grave needle]

Am there

[silk crane]

Also yes

[rose plover]

Very blelele

[grave needle]

lol

Blelele

[gritty thistle]

ill be there definatley!

[grave needle]

This time around Sean will keep quiet. "No promises, you get what you get when the game is released, and only then we will do an interview".

[silk crane]

After he says bigger than earth

[grave needle]

But dang, wasn't the reveal trailer a huge surprise!?