History Lessons📚

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from Olympic

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Uranus leads to infantile punnery.

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true hahah

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Titanic's more successful less famous sister

this is my favorite item

in my collection

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a pocket watch?

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Yes

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that is beautiful

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Waltham pocket watch from 1888

Still working to this day

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and it still works! wow

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The case is coin silver, which is 90% pure silver

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that sound is sooo satisfying to hear

wow

it’s a very prized possession indeed.

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This book has a very interesting history

It's a miracle that it survived

This book is from the 1870's and it was owned by the Drouet Family

bought by the father, a former Confederate veteran for his then 3 children

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another science book. amazing

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The family would have 5 children total

the 3 who signed the book though

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the 3 kids?

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Virginia, Adele, and Charles

As you can see, Adele signed it

dating it to Galveston Texas, 1883

The three were born in Galveston, and were children when this book was given to them by their father

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I am so in love with this handwriting

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17 years pass

1900

The book is in the hands of Virginia Drouet

The three kids have grown up, and have families of their own

And then the Hurricane Hit

the 1900 Galveston Hurricane

To date, the deadliest Natural Disaster in American History, killing 8000 people

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😦

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the entire city of Galveston was basically leveled by the storm

the three kids lived

but

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aww

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Adele lost 2 of her kids

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😞

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Virginia lost her husband, and her infant son

The book also survived

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that hurts.

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And when you see the damage

youll realize why that book surviving is a miracle

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had you at one point come to a time where you had some of your old stuff restored?

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no

I work with preservation, not restoration

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that is indeed a devastating effect

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oh wow

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Either way, the three kids moved out of Galveston

because their houses were leveled by the storm

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that’s so sad

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They moved to nearby Houston

and passed the book down the generations

until it wounded up in a book shop in the Houston area

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someone in the family must have sold it for extra cash it seems

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Virginia lived until 1914

Adele lived until 1940

and Charles lived until 1932

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oh wow

lived extra long lives after the hurricane it seems

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Looking at the family tree you can see how much Virginia lost

All those family members on the right that ended their lives in 1900

were victims of the storm

You can see her three victim children were 7, 5, and 4 years old respectively. However her 3 older children survived

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that’s so sad. 😞

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Most people have forgotten about them over the decades but hey, their childhood science book got found over a century later

So their story still gets told

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true!

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If I had to guess

the book probably never touched water

Virginia probably realized that their lives were in danger

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it looks like it. I kinda see no water marks on the pages

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her, and her siblings

and that book was signed by the two she grew up with

Adele and Charles

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yes

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So she probably ensured that it survived

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so probably someone can tell their story in the long run

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like me

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yes!

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Another book with a story

This is the Bluejackets Manual

1940 Edition

the official blue book for all US Navy personell

theyve been issuing versions of this book since 1902 and still issue it to US Navy service members to this day

this one however has an interesting story

This one was owned by Howard Carlton Latham

Howard Latham was a Jr. Lieutenant during World War II

In 1944, he was assigned to the submarine USS Escolar and went on a mission with 3 other submarines off the coast of Japan to distrupt Japanese shipping

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leatherbound books. they smell good

anyway, is this also hardbound?

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in October 1944, USS Escolar sent a final message to the task force.

And then they lost contact

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This one is soft cover

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oh wow.

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They never heard from USS Escolar again

Probably sunk by the Japanese

They waited at Midway Island for Escolar to return, it never did

and by Feburary 1945, they declared the submarine and all 22 people on board lost at sea

Howard Latham included

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awww 😞😞

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Howard (on the right)

died at age 22

leaving behind his brother (on the left), who was also serving in the Navy

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very young 😞

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his newly wed wife

and his parents

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awww 😞

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He probably left the book behind at a naval base before his final mission

and now it sits in my collection

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probably. I thought it got washed up on shore or something

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No, no sign of the submarine was ever found

the wreck was never found, no survivors, or even wreckage ever surfaced

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awww that’s just sad

damn.

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Escolar to this day is still declared missing

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and all crew presumed dead. 🥺

that’s just sad

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yea

https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/latham-h-c.htm

Here he is btw

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oh nice

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“On eternal patrol” is certainly a way to put it.

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true

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yea.

A while ago I actually saw a memorial to the Submarines lost in WWII

and I looked on the list and saw USS Escolar

ok a slightly happier book this time

this guy lived

yet another blue book

but this time the blue book for the Grand Army of the Republic

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oh nice

so it’s blue for all, the content’s just different?

or depends on where they get assigned

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This book is from 1886

This particular issue was owned by John Northwood

former Civil War veteran

He signed up for enlistment in 1861

And the following year during the 7 Days Battles

he was shot through both arms during the Battle of Gaines Mill

His right arm wound was more serious and it was amputated

Shortly after his amputation

He was captured by the Confederates

and thrown in prison

He was freed after 30 days in a prisoner exchanged

afterwards he was sent to a hospital up north, and discharged from the Army in 1863

This is a photo of him from right around 1880

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oh wow.

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Guess the city 😜

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Rome?

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Bingo

The famous Forum

Right next to the Colosseum

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Oh hey I’ve been there

The Imperial Forum

Also i guess it’s by the colosseum but there are quite a few important buildings between the forum and the colosseum

Most notably the giant Temple of Venus and Roma

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Yup

There's alot there

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It's interesting though, because certain buildings in the Imperial Forum show the evolution between the traditional Western Roman Empire and the later Eastern Roman Empire

For example, the Basilica of Maxentius

Built in the early 4th Century CE

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(It doesn’t look like what you’d think of as a basilica because of reasons.)

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however you can see very distinct similarities with the Hagia Sophia

It's also important to note that these two buildings are only about 200 years apart with Hagia Sophia being built in the 6th Century CE

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IIRC, old basilicae were marketplaces.

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The basilica in Ravenna

That's all mosaic

Early Christian art

Ravenna is known for all its mosaic

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I've wanted to visit this place for quite a while

Mostly to see these famous mosaics of Emperor Justinian and Empress Theodora

It's also interesting to note that while this is outside of what is traditionally thought of as the Eastern Roman Empire (what is now Greece and Turkey), it was actually finished under Byzantine rule, hence the loads of Byzantine mosaics and Byzantine imagery.

When it started in 526 CE, Ravenna was still under the rule of the Goths

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Yeah, it's a pretty special place

A very interesting mix of Western Roman, Eastern Roman, Ostrogothic and early Christian history

It even briefly served as capital city of the Western Roman Empire and some time after that as the capital of the Ostrogothic Kingdom when Theodoric the Great took control of Italy

I also saw the mausoleum of Theodoric in Ravenna

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Man I really wanna visit Ravenna one day

hey @trail kernel would you like to see some of the pictures I took in Greece?

well some other places other than the one place I showed already

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Of course!

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Will send some later!

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Ok I got some time

The Archeological Site at Delphi

Formerly the home of the Oracle or Pythia of Delphi

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Oh my god

I saw that in a magazine last week

Amazing

Very nice pictures

Hope you didn't inhale too much of the gasses coming up from the depths underneath Delphi xD

I've read those gasses might be what made the Oracle have "visions"

Coming from two fissures which cross eachother underneath Delphi

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nah, if there were fissures theyre gone now

no gasses rise from the Temple of Apollo anymore

This is a lesser known location

Monemvasia

originally built by the Byzantine Empire

it legitimately looks the same now as it did in Medieval times

even the gate, the only entrance to the city is original

(not my photo) but here's a photo of the city from above

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Beautiful

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Another photo

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Even more so since it still has the entire wall

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yea a rarity, the city has been there since the 6th Century

I was there for Greek Independence day and I got to meet the mayor

He even gave me a giant Byzantine Flag that now hangs in my room

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That's brilliant, haha

Epic memories and an epic souvenir

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One of my favorite stops in Greece

Olympia

These pictures are of the original Olympic Stadium, used for the entirety of antiquity for the Olympic Games

Also

the remains of the once enormous Temple of Zeus

once housing the famed Statue of Zeus at Olympia, one of the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World

The bases of those pillars were easily 6 - 7 feet wide

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Ah! My mother's been there before I was born. She visited Greece several times

It's spectacular

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Olympia is absolutely amazing

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Something entirely else: Château de Chambord, France

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16th century château, Renaissance style mixed with French medieval style, built by Francis I as a hunting lodge. It was never really meant as a "home" to live in.

There's a fun fact which might interest you @thin geyser:

The roof has a lot of decoration, many columns and such. Francis I wanted it to look like the skyline of Constantinople

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😮

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It has a very nice architectural feature on top of all of that.. Hold on

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Doesn’t surprise me, Constantinople even after it’s fall was revered by the west as one of the finest cities ever built

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A double spiral staircase right in the center of the château

Meaning one person can enter it from one side, another on the other side and they won't meet

but they can both exit on the same next floor

It's almost like a DNA string

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😮

Here’s something more ancient

Anyone interested in Greek history will recognize this site

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Mycene

The lion's gate again

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Although visiting Mycenae had its irritating bits

Watching tourists walk off the path and climb all over the ruins…

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Oh no..

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I wanted to deck them right in the head

Absolutely no respect for a site so historically significant and so ancient

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They just go there for the Instagram selfies with a nice background

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So many people who were there who clearly had no idea what they were looking at and didn’t want to learn

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Yea

A lesser known site, but just as important. The Mycenaean citadel of Tiryns. Just about an hour away from Mycenae

And when I say lesser known I mean there were 2 tourist groups there

Me

And one other person

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That's like Pompeii and Herculaneum

Everyone goes to Pompeii (am guilty as well)

But there's also Herculaneum

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Also guilty but we didn’t have time for both

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Same, haha

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In the case of Tiryns, it was literally on the side of the road

We drove past it twice

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Oh wow

Those lesser known sites are gems

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Not as old but this was one of my favorite places to visit

The medieval castle at Acrocorinth. Originally built by the Mycenaeans and later the Classical Greeks as the Acropolis of Corinth

It was later expanded into a medieval fortress by the Byzantine Empire

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That looks beautiful

Alot of it still standing

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Sadly almost none of the original Corinthian Acropolis still stands

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Are these peg looking holes in the walls for holding support infrastructure?

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I’m not 100% sure tbh

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From scaffolding during construction iirc, and the filler material wears away faster than the stone

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This sounds most plausible

The holes for support beams, etc. for floors are often larger, I think, and not all across the wall. Only at certain levels

Here you can see it. Holes for supporting the floor which is now gone. All at one or two levels

That's Montségur castle by the way, in the south of France, just at the edge of the Pyrenees mountains

There's a whole story and some myths connected to that place, even involving the holy grail

But I'll save that for later

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Unfortunately the apps on my phone weren't very nice to the quality of this photo when it's on bigger screens, lmao

There's one of History Guy's photos which does seem to have support beam holes:

That might have been a floor

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pst

would anyone like to see some remarkable Roman ruins?

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Me.

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ok

I'm gonna start by sharing what I think is probably one of the most remarkable Roman Temples

The Temple of Bacchus

in what is now Lebanon

The exterior isn't in the best shape, its good but not exceptional compared to some other Roman Temples

however what makes this one particularly unique is the interior

which has remained unchanged since antiquity

the magnificent altar that once stood at the back is missing, along with the roof but

the fact that the walls retain their original layout and design is just amazing

Looking at this reconstruction, you can see that not a lot is left up to the imagination

The sculpted detail on the door of the Temple is also incredible

The surviving pillars are also beautiful examples of Roman Corinthian columns

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wow

that’s beautiful

that’s a good bit still standing

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man i couldn’t imagine doing this back then…
(stone carving)

looks like it would be hell

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It’s an absolutely beautiful and underrated Roman temple

Rarely gets talked about these days, and it’s a shame too

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Ooh pretty

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Beautiful 👌

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Wow, don't think I've seen that before

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I think its time to continue on the Roman Train

With sorta the opposite of the Temple of Baccus

The Maison carrée

This Temple was completed by the Romans around 7 CE

And as you can clearly see, it's in immaculate condition, and in my opinion it is the best preserved Roman structure from classical antiquity by far

As one of my friends described it

it's like the Romans built it

and time flowed around it

It's legitimately breakthtaking how good this temple looks after over 2000 years

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https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu

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Those details, it's absolutely amazing

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For those of you who haven’t seen it

I recently purchased this book signed by former President Lyndon B. Johnson

https://tenor.com/view/lbj-lyndon-johnson-clapping-gif-22954715

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Am I wrong to think the rise of the ottoman empire was a incredibly violent reprehensible period in history full of war and land grabs?

Kinda like a more successful version of the spread of the mongols

Though the mongols covered more land in less time

So success is questionable

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it was

but then again

couldn't you say the same for just about every Empire?

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I'm feeling like sharing some history

time to tell the story of Arthur John Priest

a man who is literally unsinkable

Arthur began his career as a stoker (coal shoveler) on large ocean liners in the early 20th Century

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unsinkable man?

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And he... has had either incredibly good luck, or bad luck

In 1908, he served aboard RMS Asturias which suffered a collision when he was aboard during her maiden voyage

In 1911, he served aboard RMS Olympic and was aboard for her infamous collision with HMS Hawke

The following year, he served aboard Olympic's infamous sister RMS Titanic

and was there when Titanic struck an iceberg and sank

He survived with minor frostbite due to the fact that he was forced into the icy water wearing nothing but a vest

After the start of the First World War, Arthur began serving aboard HMS Alcantara

Which sank during a sea battle against a German vessel in 1916

Later that very year, he served aboard Titanic and Olympic's youngest sister Britannic and was there when Britannic struck a sea mine

His final ship was SS Donegal in 1917 and he was aboard when the ship was struck by a German torpedo

Interesting to note that in this last incident he was aboard with Archie Jewell who had survived the sinking of both Titanic and Britannic, Archie however perished in Donegal's sinking

Arthur John Priest formally retired after the Donegal sank, with speculation that he was actually forced to retire as people refused to serve on the same ship as him

He claimed apparently that no one wanted to sail with him after all the disasters he'd been through

He passed away in 1937 from pneumonia at the age of 49

This is Arthur John Priest by the way

and that, is the face of a man who cannot believe his ship is sinking AGAIN

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I need to use this more often

its starting to not show up on my end lol

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At least once a week.

I'm just multi. Toss it out.

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I just found out about this really cool Late Roman Town called Serjila

and when I say late, I mean just about as late as it could possibly be

Founding of Serjila: 473 CE

Fall of the Roman Empire: 476 CE

but some buildings that have survived, are in shockingly good shape

Since the town is in modern day Syria, it would fall more under the Eastern Roman Empire

and most structures were likely built within the first century of the Fall of the Western Roman Empire

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The Byzantine Empire invented Pizza

I will elaborate, another time!

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hi, elaboration time

So the modern concept of Pizza as a dish with dough, sauce, cheese, and toppings specifically dates to the 19th Century

As most people know, it was invented in Naples

However, the WORD Pizza

was first used in 997 CE in Gaeta, a town in Southern Italy

at the time Gaeta was still part of the Byzantine Empire

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I need to talk more in here again

but ive been busssssyyyyyy

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History time

I think im gonna show off a series of historic sites that have been a part of my childhood for a while

being from Texas, I've been visiting San Antonio since I was little

The San Antonio Mission's National Historical Park contains 4 18th Century Spanish Missions

In order along the route

the first is Mission Concepcion

The Mission was founded in 1711 but the current location was built in 1731

It's famed for being the oldest completely unrestored church in the mainland United States

because its never been restored, it has some of the best preserved fresos from the Spanish Colonial era

Concepcion's Mission Walls have all but vanished

and a good chunk of of the original buildings were also lost

Next up is Mission San Jose, founded in 1720, however the chuch wasn't built until 1768 and wasnt finished until 1782

Mission San Jose is famed for it's door which is mostly original to the late 18th Century

It's considered to be one of if not the finest examples of Spanish Colonial architecture and sculpture work in the Americas

Another example on the chapel is the Rose Window, which shows a similar sculpted style

Unlike Concepcion however, San Jose has undergone lots of restorations

In 1868, the North Wall and dome of the chapel collapsed, leaving the structure in ruins

You can see the damage in this photo from around 1880

In 1928, the Bell Tower collapsed as well

In the 1930's a massive restoration project was stared to restore the chapel to its original glory and reconstruct the original mission walls

Among the structures restored was the original Granary

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I realized I didn’t actually finish this

Because there’s 3 more missions

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history cool 👍

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Roman Ruin Showcase time

This time, the Gate of Mars or Ponte de Mars

A former Roman triumphal archway

Found in modern day Reims France

The gate was built in the early 3rd Century and is the last of 4 original gates to the city still standing

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Beautiful Corinthian pillars

Surprising amount of details still left. Usually are chipped/eroded away

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Sadly if you look, only one panel of sculpture is still in good shape

the rest are all eroded away

regardless, what's left is still a stunning example of Roman sculpturework

In the photo of the underside of the arch, you can barely see an image of the founding of Rome

Romulus and Remus with the shewolf

a famous image from Roman history

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I know it's super cliche but imo greco-roman architecture is still the peak of humanity

Imo why it's still so widely replicated

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For the Western World yes

have you ever seen the Temple of Bacchus?

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Yessir

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easily my favorite surviving Roman ruin

btw

if you like Corinthian caps

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Garni Temple for me

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Here is one I saw earlier this year

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I mean, i like all orders tbh

Damnnn

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From the Odeon of Agrippa

Sadly the Odeon itself is long gone, but it once stood at the center of the Athenian Agora during the Roman period

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Beautiful

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Only a single corinthian cap and a few foundations survive today

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By god what I'd do to see a large forum in mint condition irl

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not a forum but when I was in Athens I also had the privillage of seeing what is possibly the best preserved Temple from antiquity

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Other than the pantheon

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😎

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The Temple of Hephaestus

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Great stuff as usual!

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For a structure that is 2500 years old, it's in stunning condition

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Really is

Although we can blame the state of the acropolis on the ottomans no?

lol

Kaboom

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Partly

They are to blame, but you gotta also put some blame on the Venetians for firing that shell at the Acropolis

they're both equally to blame

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Yeah lol

Damn shame

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It wouldn't have blown up if the Ottomans didn't put gunpowder in it, and it wouldn't have blown up if the Venetians never fired at it

yea it is, but hey at least the Temple of Hephaestus survived

since we're on the subject though

gotta give a shout out to the Maison Caree

Not as old but for something that's 2000 years old, you almost couldn't believe its age

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Yeah, easily the best outside of rome in western europe

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I'd say the best surviving in the entire former Empire, not even the structures in Rome have survived to this degree

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There's also that one nicely preserved amphitheatre too

Is it in Nice?

Cant recall

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There are a few very nicely preserved ones

one that I actually got to visit was the one in Epidarus

All things considered, very well preserved for something built in 300 BCE

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I've never been to any ancient sites and it kills me

😩

Oldest stuff in western canada is 200 years lol

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Also the one that you speak of I believe is in Nimes

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Yep thats it

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Contends with the Colosseum for best preserved Roman Ampitheater

I've actually been to Rome too, but that was a while ago

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I think the inside was gutted a bit but at least it's the full wall still no?

Not ripped apart like rome

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Thing is you can tell that there was a lot of interior reconstruction

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Yeah, definitely all new cement stands

Still cool tho

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The Greek Theater at Epidarus however is almost completely original

which is just amazing, especially because they let you inside and let you climb up the steps and sit in the seats

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Yeah that's wild

There's another stage theatre like that in north africa

Can't remember the town though. Might be in libya

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Leptis Magna

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Maybe?

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It was the third largest city in Roman North Africa

after Carthage and Alexandria

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Damn

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and the home of Emperor Septimus Severus

The archway in his honor

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Suck on that Titus

😎

Beautiful

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The remains of the market place is also stunning

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I guess that's the benefit of being built in a super arid and remote location

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yea

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Man I disapear from this thread a lot

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HISTORY

I should show off some Byzantine Ruins

follow my recent thread of Roman ruins

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Yes

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Ok

Time to share

This is the Byzantine Monestary of Hosios Loukas

The site was built as early as the mid 10th Century

It's most famous for its collection of Byzantine era Frescos and Mosaics

This site by far features the best preserved Byzantine Art outside of Constantinople itself

The Monastery is located just north of Athens in Greece

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Time for more Byzantine stuff

This is the Basilica of San Vitale in Ravenna Italy

Construction started in 526 under Ostrogoth rule, and was finished just before Emperor Justinian conquered Ravenna

The site is one of the most important sites for early Byzantine Art

The site also features this now very famous life depiction of Emperor Justinian (middle)

And his wife Empress Theodora

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Philadelphia City Hall
Built using brick, white marble and limestone, Philadelphia City Hall is the world's largest free-standing masonry building and was the world's tallest habitable building upon its completion in 1894.

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I've seen that a few times

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City hall? Nice. It’s a beautiful building imo.

There are tours you can take. Can even get up and on to the crows nest right beneath Willy penn there

It’s too bad that Love Park is just a flat plot of land now

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Yea I’ve been to Philly a few times, although I’ve never gone inside sadly. Mostly just passed by it

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I haven’t either and i only have another… 3-4 months living here. I should do some sightseeing

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Dyk that George Washington lived in 3(?) different presidential homes?

Philly one is no longer standing but I know where it was!

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Ever been to SS United States?

She's been in Philly for the last 30 years but if all goes well she wont be soon

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Yeah of course! We’ve discussed it at length I believe

There’s a chik-fil-a and an ikea across the street from it

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and a Wendys 😄

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History time

I just found out about this amazing Greek Temple

in Didyma

One of the largest Greek Temples to have ever survived

The columns by themselves were 25 meters tall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYf6Fx1TTow

This video does a great job explaining the history of this temple

[errant talon]

wow

the pantheon is still up right?

[thin geyser]

Parthenon* and yes sort of

The Ottomans and Venetians blew it up in the 17th Century but the remains still stand

[thin geyser]

I need to talk more history here

[pine cave]

Hey History Guy, have you seen the news about the middle school teacher using AC Odessy to teach about the greek battle Thermopylae

[thin geyser]

Haven't seen that particular news story but the funny thing is I actually also used AC Odyssey to teach Greek History

mostly as a way for students to visualize what different Greek Cities looked like in antiquity

[errant talon]

AC is great for that

there's a whole tour thing in the newer AC games to look at sites lol

[thin geyser]

yea I love that feature

[thin geyser]

Ok I think its history time?

I think this time ima go back to one of my favorite topics, ocean liners

and share some photos of meetings between different famous ships

Starting out with the Olympic Class

their meetings are few and far between since 2/3 of the ships in the class sank early in their careers

Here's one of a handful of photos of Olympic and Titanic together

in fact, all photos of the two ships together are from the same event

Next up, Olympic and Britannic

One of only I believe three known photos of Olympic with Britannic

This is the only photo known of Olympic and Britannic during the First World War

Olympic has her darker funnel colors and Britannic is in her hospital ship colors

on the topic of the First World War

Here's Olympic and Aquitania, a rival cunard liner

speaking of Cunard

there are a few photos of Lusitania and Mauretania together

If we move on to the Post War and the loss of Lusitania and Britannic

We have this wonderful photograph of a mass meeting of these early great liners

including Olympic and Homeric on on the left, and Aquitania and Berengaria on the right

Also, here's a lovely photo of Olympic and Aquitania in New York

and a photo of Olympic, Aquitania, and Mauretania together

Here's one of the only photos known of Olympic and Mauretania together during service, the two rival ships

here's another

from that same event we also get this rare photograph of Mauretania and Olympic in the background

This photo of Olympic's funnels is the only natural color photograph taken of any of the Olympic Class Liners

Olympic and Mauretania have one more set of photos together

Their last photos before scrapping in 1934

The surviving older generation ships however got to meet the next generation liner

Here's Majestic alongside Queen Mary

and Aquitania

In fact here's a whole lineup

featuring from top to bottom

Conti di Savoia
Aquitania
Queen Mary
Normandie
Unknown

and a photo from the side

during the Second World War

another interesting lineup

featuring Berengaria and Georgic

alongside Normandie, Rex, and Bremen

Here's a photo of Queen Mary and Aquitania during wartime

Here's a photo from the end of the war with Queen Mary and her runningmate/semi sister Queen Elizabeth

and a post-war photo of them in service

Here's Queen Elizabeth alongside Britannic, the final White Star Liner

[little rune]

Is White Star Liner gone gone or did it start making something else?

[thin geyser]

gone gone

They merged with Cunard in 1934, and then in 1949 Cunard bought out the remainder of White Star's share taking them out of the business completely

So Cunard owns White Star's assets but they don't do anything with it

anyway, here's Queen Mary with SS United States, yet another new generation of liner

and here she is nearing the end of her carrer

Alongside SS France

and here we have a photo representing the end of an era

[little rune]

So then what doe Cunard build now, cruise ships?

[thin geyser]

SS United States, which may as well be the last surviving 100% ocean liner with QE2, the first of a new generation of cruise ship ocean liner hybrids

and here's QE2 with SS France

[thin geyser]

mostly

and I'll get into why its "mostly"

[little rune]

Yachts?

[thin geyser]

Nope this

Here we have QE2 with Queen Mary 2

The last purpose built Ocean Liner

although still part cruise ship

and here we have a rare meeting

Queen Mary 2, meets her namesake the original Queen Mary

[little rune]

Do you know anything about the ships John Ericsson designed?

Besides the Monitor class Ironclads.

[thin geyser]

a little, but not much beyond the Monitor

[thin geyser]

Sorry for the lack of history, I've been working on a final project so not a lot of time for random history rambling lol

[pine cave]

Quick history fact, Freddie was bi

Freddie Mercury^

[silk trail]

Wherr SS U.S.

[thin geyser]

In Philadelphia

[little rune]

John Ericsson designed both the screw propeller and the Monitor.

As well as various parts of ship engines.

[silk trail]

Well yeah i know, i meant in your presentation silly

[thin geyser]

Right here

[thin geyser]

She's also here

[silk trail]

My apologies @thin geyser

Never seen her with paint that fresh

[thin geyser]

Yea she hasn't looked that good in a long LONG time

[thin geyser]

WWII time

So for those who didn’t see off topic, these are artifacts from the National World War II museum in New Orleans

These are fragments of the Atlantic Wall from Utah Beach

The holes are from the constant allied fire during the invasion of Normandy

These telegrams are from the US Atlantic fleet the morning of the attack on Pearl Harbor

These pins came off the uniform of General Leslie Groves

If that name rings a bell he was the chief army official who oversaw the Manhattan Project. If anyone saw Oppenheimer, he was played by Matt Damon

Additionally, these are General Groves’ dog tags

On the topic of the atomic bomb

This is the original flight record for Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay

The first entry for August 6th was the flight to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima

[civic helm]

:O

[thin geyser]

This hand drawn map was used by an officer during the invasion of Normandy, he kept it in his pocket during the first wave of the attack

[errant talon]

thats so badass

all of it

[thin geyser]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/us/lou-conter-last-pearl-harbor-survivor-dies/index.html#:~:text=Video-,Lou Conter%2C last survivor of USS Arizona in,Harbor attack%2C dies at 102&text=Lou Conter%2C shown in Honolulu,explosion that rocked the battleship.

On the topic of World War II

may he rest in peace

[pine cave]

[silk trail]

We’ve got some big ol boat in dry dock in Philly rn @thin geyser

https://www.reddit.com/r/philadelphia/s/YYXRjzRHzO

[thin geyser]

Oh USS New Jersey!

I’ve actually gone to see her once

[thin geyser]

Hello everyone, just here to remind everyone that tonight is the 112th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic

[thin geyser]

Don't have anything specifically, but here's a stunning image of Hagia Sophia's ceiling

[mental pendant]

WOOOOO!!!

Didn't know this thread exists

[thin geyser]

It's Constantinople's 1694th Birthday!

[pale knot]

[thin geyser]

My friend and I put a birthday cake in Hagia Sophia for the ocassion lol

[mental pendant]

Nice!!!

Oh @thin geyser , I came across some old bits of architecture dating back to 2AD

[thin geyser]

Oh?

Roman?

[mental pendant]

No, I'm in Bulgaria, so it could have shared some of the architecture?

Words are Slavic though

[thin geyser]

The Romans were in Bulgaria so, it's still possible

[mental pendant]

Some of how the stone was shaped reminded me of Romans, just the language was different

I'll take a picture when I get the chance tomorrow

[thin geyser]

kk, its likely that the language could've been added later

[mental pendant]

@compact summit

2 AD. So, definitely can be influenced by more than just Roman

[errant talon]

Sick

[thin geyser]

Interesting

[compact summit]

Uh why am I being pinged?

[narrow plover]

They pinged the wrong historical entity.

They probably wanted to ping @thin geyser

[thin geyser]

Yeaaaa

[mental pendant]

Yep. My bad

[tribal shale]

I'm alive again!1!!!!1!!1!1!1

[thin geyser]

woooo

[tribal shale]

real

[thin geyser]

Just thought I'd come here and share this

The Mausoleum of Galla Placidia

It's a wonderfully preserved late Roman building that was constructed in 417 CE

However what makes it really special are the mosaics

These have survived almost completely intact throughout the centuries

Probably the most intact collection of mosaics in any building from the Roman period

[pale knot]

Ooh I missed this post before. Love those colors

[pale knot]

It's crazy how intricate the art used to be for these buildings

[thin geyser]

Nah you didn't miss anything I just posted this lol

But yea I love that shade of blue they used, its just as vibrant now as it was 16 centuries ago

[pale knot]

Ooh Whew!

[pale knot]

That's what's crazy too. The quality of materials used in the past puts a lot of modern day products to shame

[thin geyser]

Thats why they call Ravenna the "City of Mosaics"

Other structures from the 5th and 6th Centuries still survive in the city with their mosaics

Case in point, the Basilica of San Vitale

Although only the apse section of the mosaic decoration has survived, it's one of the finest examples of early Christian art possibly in the world

These mosaics date to 547 CE

Another great example

The Basilica of Basilica of Sant'Apollinare Nuovo, built in the 6th Century

[normal linden]

It’s very beautiful

[thin geyser]

The entire mosaic program on the side walls have survived, providing an incredible view into what early Christian basilicas were like

[pale knot]

love the architecture so much

[austere nest]

Stunning

[silk trail]

I think they’re moving the SS US @thin geyser

[thin geyser]

THey are

[silk trail]

Berlin Cathedral

La Sagrada Familia lookin like a sand drip castle as always

The way they used the stained glass to create color inside was one of the most impressive features to me

What a gaudy building lol

[thin geyser]

Very nice, I really like the classical style of the Berlin cathedral

[errant talon]

beautiful

[thin geyser]

The Art Deco decorations of the Queen Mary's First Class Lounge

[mental pendant]

That looks amazing

[hybrid panther]

Let’s gooo

@thin geyser do you get much in to fossils?

[thin geyser]

That's more my brothers thing

but I know a thing or two

I used to be really into fossils when I was younger

[hybrid panther]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a25395/dinosaur-fossil-map/

An article that links to a resource that pin points the discovery location of every registered fossil

It’s not the best UI for fun, but is really good if you are looking for the locations of something specific

But with a decent understanding of taxonomy you can do things like finding the location of every whale fossil

[thin geyser]

😮

[mental pendant]

Hey, @thin geyser part of what you do is knowledge preservation?

How would you go about a new book that doesn't have much of a record anywhere, but is in a language you don't understand?

Also, it's only 23 years old

[thin geyser]

Well what’s the book?

And what do you want to know about it?

[mental pendant]

Basically, how would you go about translating a book like this? That has no current sources online

[thin geyser]

Usually I use the google translate app to first find an english translation for the books title

then I'd try searching to see if there's any english versions online

[mental pendant]

I tried. This isn't even in it's own publishers directory anymore

There wasn't one in English, in fact, I couldn't find any copies of it at all

Even tried a reverse image search, and all I got were the cover art instead of the book

[silk trail]

Too many consonants

[thin geyser]

Well if you want it translated, if there isn't a proper translation online you'll either have to do it yourself or find someone who can read the language to help you with it :/

There isn't much else you can do

If it's just for reading purposes, you can probably get away with using the google translate app

when was it printed anyway?

[distant smelt]

It's Serbian

Something about Mythology

[mental pendant]

It's Slavic Mythology

[mental pendant]

2001

It's still very "new" in terms of what you deal with

[thin geyser]

The Apse decoration of the Basilica of Santa Marie Maggiore in Rome. What I consider to be one of the most beautiful pieces of mosaic art in the world

This mosaic dates back to the mid 5th Century when the central portion of the church was built

[mental pendant]

Oooooo

[pine cave]

The Pale Blue Dot (perhaps Earth's first selfie: Feb 14, 1980)

[mental pendant]

Got to see this in person

Rila Monestary

[pine cave]

reminds me of Doctor Who: Moisturize me!

[thin geyser]

A portrait was discovered during restoration work at a monastery in Greece and it’s believed to be the only surviving portrait of the last Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI done during his lifetime

[pale knot]

that looks way cool

[mental pendant]

It's rumored that the person who carved it likely went blind, as it depicts the most important events of the Bible and each person has facial details.

[thin geyser]

I need to be more active here

Would anyone here be open to seeing photos from the different art museums I've visited over the years?

[pine cave]

Yes

[mental pendant]

absolutely

[pine cave]

Nature be like swirling math

Name this calculation:

Sorry about the actual swirling, its uhh phone from computer scren

[mental pendant]

Isnt this the Fibonacci sequence?

[pine cave]

Yes

[charred grove]

Ever wondered how the Hagia Sophia looked from the inside?

Fyi: it was a Byzantine cathedral and served as the centre of Eastern Orthodox Christianity until the Ottomans conquered Constantinople in 1453, after which it was converted into a mosque by Sultan Mehmed II.

(Took the video myself, when I was visiting historical sites in Istanbul)

And did you see that small square platform in sec10? Well, that’s the Omphalion, a small section of marble, where Byzantine emperors were crowned during their coronation ceremonies.

[distant smelt]

@thin geyser Wake up ^

[thin geyser]

Huh?

HAGIA SOPHIA?!

[thin geyser]

Living the dream I will never achieve (well for the foreseeable future at least)

Speaking of Hagia Sophia let me actually start getting to the task of putting some museum pieces in this thread

A Byzantine book and pointer tip both believed to have been made for Hagia Sophia. Both are currently on view at the Metropolitan Museum in New York City

[charred grove]

Ever wondered where the first sultan, the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman I. is buried? He’s in Bursa… now you’re probably wondering why Bursa? His biggest wish was to conquer Bursa and be buried there, unfortunately he died before he could do so. His son Orhan, fulfilled his father’s last wish by burying him there after conquering it.

(Picture, again, taken by me)

And yes, it is guarded by ceremonial guard unit personnel, they usually switch shifts every two hours.

The shift switch is eye candy btw guys, truly something one should experience first hand

[thin geyser]

Hey @charred grove have you gotten to see my Hagia Sophia minecraft project yet? I'm quite proud of it

[charred grove]

I have not actually, sounds like a great project tho!

[charred grove]

And here ladies and gentlemen is the interior of this beautiful piece of history: you can see, that alongside Osman I’s tomb, there are other smaller sarcophagi belonging to his family members and close figures from early Ottoman history.

(Footage taken by me)

[thin geyser]

Even though I've done bigger and more elaborate projects after this

My Hagia Sophia is still one of my crowning jewels

[charred grove]

Pre 1453 eh?

[thin geyser]

Yep, the crown jewel of Constantinople!

I even built the interior, which was honestly a nightmare to do

Even built the old high altar back in, based it off a rendering made by the Archeological School of Athens (if I recall correctly?)

[charred grove]

Looks great!

[thin geyser]

Thank you! Byzantine art and architecture is one of my interests so actually setting off to build Hagia Sophia in her full glory was something I had wanted to do for ages

I scrapped 2 Hagia Sophia projects before this because I just couldn't get it right, but I guess third time's a charm

The Dome alone took me 2 days, because I had to figure out how to put in exactly 40 windows

evenly spaced and everything

because that's how many there are on the actual building

Well that and the fact that its a half sphere in a game made up entirely of cubes but thats a different story

[charred grove]

Well, I mean I partly focus on ottoman history but even they themselves were inspired by Byzantine architecture. I mean, calling themselves Quaiser e Rum, trying to adopt roman cultural aspects etc just shows the sheer amount of wealth the byzantines had in areas such socio political rules/traditions

[thin geyser]

Oh yes I'm aware, the Byzantines architectural style and artistic style influenced cultures throughout their history and beyond

That's why there are churches in Western Europe with Byzantine style mosaics

Case in point, the Basilica of St. Mark in Venice

It could pass for a church in Constantinople any day

(and that's not just because half of the exterior is made of shit the crusaders stole from Constantinople)

[charred grove]

Made a small tour around the “türbe“

[thin geyser]

I do have a question for you though

The Ottomans are responsible for the preservation of some Byzantine structures like Hagia Sophia, but they are also responsible for the loss and destruction of others. What are your thoughts on this?

[charred grove]

I honestly don’t have a personal opinion on that, here’s why; if we look at general history until the 17 century this was actually quite common in imperial transitions, such as from the byzantines to the ottomans. New rulers often preserve what benefits them while removing what is unnecessary or symbolic of the old regime. And in this case it’s even more extreme: we have Christians and Muslims and especially during that time religion was literally the drive for expansion over other powers. This wasn’t unique to the Ottomans either. When the Byzantines took lands from former Roman territories, they built churches over pagan temples and repurposed Roman buildings to fit Christian rule. The same happened in Spain, where mosques were turned into churches after the Reconquista. Even in earlier Islamic conquests, such as in the Levant and North Africa, many Roman structures were either preserved and repurposed or gradually disappeared due to shifting priorities. I guess it was a way of establishing a foothold in the respective conquered area…. Now, I do appreciate the ottomans for keeping and preserving important historical architecture, but even then they modified it into something more fit for their religion BUT Christians could still pray in it (important to know imo). It’s unfortunate that The Church of the Holy Apostles or even just smaller churches and monasteries were destroyed or replaced… I think we need and we should just accept history as is, meaning they made perfect sense within their own time. Whether through preservation or destruction, every empire reshaped the legacy of the one before it, and the Ottomans were no exception.

Ok this might be too long, I apologise. I get lost in history sometimes xD

Love ya @distant smelt thanks for showing me this thread

[thin geyser]

Personally I condemn the loss of art and architecture, regardless of time period. I understand its a side effect of the time, however that doesn't mean that we in the present should just accept it as anything less than a loss.

Plus, there are some very recent demolitions done by the Ottomans that have frustrated me

Example

This segment of the former Boukoleon Palace was the best preserved portion of the palace and the only portion that shows the former grandure of an Imperial Byzantine Palace

However this beautifully preserved segment was demolished in 1873 to make way for a railroad

[thin geyser]

Oh and, never apologize for getting lost in history. Happens to me all the time. It just means you're passionate about the subject and there's nothing wrong with that

I guess what I'm saying is, it just frustrates me how much has been lost. Might be a side effect of my future career in the preservation of historic artifacts and sites, but still. One of the saddest things to me is how much has been destroyed in the name of progress or conquest.

[charred grove]

But this is a prime example of what I’ve just said, it was due to the growing needs of modernization and infrastructure development during the late Ottoman period (sick man of Europe yadayada). The empire was facing pressure to modernize its economy, transportation, and urban infrastructure to keep up with European powers.

historical sites were often sacrificed in favor of not just progress but also culture or religion (Church of the Holy Apostles to make way for the Fatih Mosque) and in this case for ottoman progress itself…

Obviously I agree with you in some degree

It’s unfortunate that so much history was lost and not preserved

And let’s be honest, railroads were a crucial aspect at that time specifically not just in the sense of normal transport but also military, ecology, economy etc

Here’s my final thought: I get why they did it, I still think it is unfortunate that they did it

[thin geyser]

Now I understand fully that not everything can be saved, if we never tore anything down then we would never progress. But it hurts to find out that this small portion of an Imperial Roman Palace, which is the last truly great representation of the beauty and grandeur of Roman Imperial Palaces was destroyed so recently. The Great Palace is gone, the Palace on the Palatine Hill is in ruins, and the few surviving Imperial palaces have lost their gleaming marbles and artwork.

[charred grove]

Oh I agree with you there and as I’ve said; it’s always painful to see such fragments of history lost. However, what’s left whether through fragments, ruins, or surviving artifacts (sounds like I’m talking about Nms lol) serves as a reminder of that lost beauty, and it’s important that we continue to study and appreciate what we have. I mean look at Egypt lolol: them tomb robbers have stolen so much but the archeologists still appreciate what they have left and I think that’s what we should do too. Work with what we have, there’s so much more we haven’t discovered yet; we just need to accept history as is and move on hah! I mean hell, it’s unfortunate the romans fell

It’s pretty late here I should get going.. it was a blast talking to you tho!

[distant smelt]

Glad you are enjoying it 🙂

[thin geyser]

That we should, that's why I'm getting into preservation as a potential future career, I want to help keep those surviving reminders around for the future.

Same to you man! Hope to see you around again!

[charred grove]

Here we have the second ottoman sultan: Orhan I., second ruler of the Ottoman empire, reigning from 1324 to 1362. Yes it’s the sultan I was talking about yesterday, he was the one who conquered bursa and buried his father there.

That obviously wasn’t the only thing he did: he conquered Byzantine cities such as Nicaea and Nicomedia + he was the initiator for the first Ottoman coinage and a standing army which later influenced the formation of the Janissaries (I’ll talk about them more soon).

(Footage by me 🙂 )

[mental pendant]

The artistry here is stunning

[charred grove]

Ever heard of a bear that was part of an actual army? Well, Wojtek was a Syrian brown bear that became a symbol of the Polish military during World War II. He was adopted as a cub in 1942 by soldiers of the Polish II Corps, who found him in Iran. Since regulations didn’t allow animals as pets, the soldiers officially enlisted Wojtek as a private in the 22nd Artillery Supply Company, giving him a name, rank, and serial number. (Crazy right? xD) Wojtek became famous for his role in the Battle of Monte Cassino in 1944, where he helped carry artillery shells to the front lines. His strength and loyalty made him a morale booster for the troops, and his image, a bear carrying an artillery shell, became the emblem of his unit.

Here he is together with a polish soldier

[mental pendant]

I had heard of this story!

Had no idea the bear carried artillery though

[charred grove]

Ever wondered how ottoman field hospitals operated near warzones? Well, I was in Gallipoli last summer and visited such hospital or as the ottomans called it back then: seyyar hastaneler!

These were mostly set up nearby villages to treat wounded soldiers during the Gallipoli Campaign. They provided emergency surgery, amputations, and trauma care under harsh conditions with limited supplies, which was mostly due to enemies destroying easy to spot supply routes. These hospitals stabilized the injured before sending them to larger base hospitals in cities like Çanakkale. Medics faced disease outbreaks, shortages of medicine, and constant enemy shelling (ANZAC and British) but remained crucial in saving lives.

I also saw this interesting picture showing Ottoman dentists during a tooth removal (16-17 century probably)

(Footage/pictures taken by me 🙂 )

[thin geyser]

Oh yea I’ve heard of this one

[thin geyser]

Interesting you mention Gallipoli, I recently purchased a small artifact that was on the other side of that campaign

[thin geyser]

I have things to share here at some point

I recently got back from San Francisco and boy do I have historical shit to share here

[mental pendant]

:D

[rain kestrel]

Please share the documentary defecation at your earliest convenience

[thin geyser]

I shall do it now 😄

This is USS Pampanito

a Balao Class Submarine docked near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco

She did several tours in WWII and sunk about 10 ships give or take

I brought my WWII bluejackets manual there for a very specific reason

My manual was owned by Jr. Lieutenant Howard C. Latham who died on USS Escolar (another Balao Class Submarine) in 1944 at the age of 21

The Pampanito is basically a spitting image of the Escolar

This is the Jeremiah O. Brien

One of three surviving Liberty Ships from WWII

The other two are the John W. Brown and the Hellas Liberty (Which is all the way in Athens)

The Jeremiah O. Brien though is the best preserved, being almost completely original to her WWII configuration and still in running order

they even take her out on cruises a few times a year

of the three though, Jeremiah O Brien was the only liberty ship that was present at D-Day

Here's a photo of her in motion (obviously not my photo)

another interesting fact is

her engines are original to WWII

but movie buffs may recognize them from their role in the 1997 movie Titanic

[mental pendant]

Holy

[twilit lava]

i found something interesting, you can axe it if you want but here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7JeTqXdH7I

[fading berry]

Yesterday was May 3, Constitution Day in Poland.

Many believe it was second at world and first in Europe.

In truth - it's unknown if that's true, since there were many constitutions before.

In truth there was a constitution before May 3, 1791.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Łaski's_Statute

This Statute can be easy categorized as constitution, since it was codification of all laws.

[fading berry]

No active users here, huh?😔

[pine cave]

https://tenor.com/view/history-nerd-history-gif-25912479

[fading berry]

So what?

[thin geyser]

I pop in ocasionally

[charred grove]

Just a little tease, I’ll explain in detail some other time 🙂

[pine cave]

prokopetz:
Consider:
• Victorian England: 1837-1901 •
American Old West: 1803-1912 •
Meiji Restoration: 1868-1912
• French privateering in the Gulf of Mexico: ended circa 1830 Conclusion: an adventuring party consisting of a Victorian gentleman thief, an Old West gunslinger, a disgraced former samurai, and an elderly French pirate is actually 100% historically
plausible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/6nzhvd/technically_possible/#lightbox

[thin geyser]

Ah Topkapi Palace Museum

[thin geyser]

?

[lunar lily]

@dapper brook

[tame wyvern]

I think it could be possible even in earlier periods, because contacts were made before> Just never "official" from Japan's ruling faction. And technically, so-called Black Lagoon and close areas had reputation of pirate area no less than Caribbean. Thanks to Japanese nationals too

[tame wyvern]

People probably remeber of Large Hadron Collider, but that the experiment was called ATLAS is less known. https://atlas.cern/about Fun thing is that collider is divided in 8 straight sections and 8 curved ones...

[naive obsidian]

ATLAS is not a single experiment. It is the shoulders upon which the foundation of an entire branch of physics may one day rest.

Last year alone they released 65 TERABYTES of data for people to research, for free.

The results of 7 billion collision events.

This data cost them over a trillion dollars to obtain

https://atlas.cern/Updates/News/Open-Data-Research

[tame wyvern]

Yeah, I know. I just wonder if it was reference all this time. Provided ||we know that ATLAS is some computational device related to some research , etc.|| It's curious 16 number occurence is interesting.

[naive obsidian]

Not in so far as it's related to history

[random nacelle]

so we now have IRL ATLAS... only a matter of time before Artemis shows up ...

(NASA's plan to return to the Moon is called the Artemis Mission)

Oh

[naive obsidian]

...You realise these names have existed for thousands of years, right?

Artemis is the name of the Greek goddess of the hunt.

Atlas is the Greek titan condemned to hold up the heavens for eternity.

The story of the Titans was a Greek mythos to justify the change in worship from one group of gods to another group of gods.

[naive obsidian]

This entire conversation as it is directly related to NMS should be in a NMS channel. This thread is for real history. Not fabrications of NMS lore.

[random nacelle]

Sorry, got carried away there, won't happen again 🫡