#glyph-investigation

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sour burrow
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Interesting

steady torrent
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did anyone get around to putting the audio from the trailer through spectro?

rugged burrow
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i think i remember someone doing it in the spoilers channel, nothing super obvious popped out

steady torrent
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mm, I only saw where we did it for the teaser but might be right

rugged burrow
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you might be right

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does anyone have a link to the raw trailer i could download?

plucky glacier
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yeah, i did the spectrogram for the trailer and nothing of importance appeared

proper verge
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thing is, the stuff from the twiiter clip should be in there. but i dont see it

plucky glacier
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yeah, weird

twin token
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Someone said that this could be a barcode?

twin token
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How long is a youtube video ID?

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Possibly a big hint by greg Buchanan

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He wrote the Desolation freighter logs

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Which mean that he's written more than weekend missions

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Meaning that he might have written for more updates as well

stuck onyx
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dont get you hopes up that the entire video spectrogram is something, it would mean they had to fit the entire trailer (and its contents) in a way to deliver a message in it

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and all mysteries and ARGs aside, the trailer content comes first

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maybe a few seconds at max could contain something, but not the whole trailer

twin token
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No I dont mean that the spectogram would make a barcode

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Someone on r/codes suggested converting the runes into a barcode but I doubt that'll work

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And yea I agree that the trailer spectogram probably wont yield anything

stuck onyx
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runes into a barcode could be something, but then we would need to know how to interpret them in the first place

twin token
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Yea

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No luck on there

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Can anyone alert ETARC ?

stuck onyx
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i like the steganographic test idea alot though, sadly we only have frames from youtube and not a real image

twin token
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Hmmm

stuck onyx
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maybe something along the Lines of LSB encoding

twin token
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Can we try using the frame images?

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@stuck onyx potentially yes

steady torrent
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dont get you hopes up that the entire video spectrogram is something, it would mean they had to fit the entire trailer (and its contents) in a way to deliver a message in it
@stuck onyx i was mainly thinking spectro the glitch segments if anything

stuck onyx
steady torrent
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albeit each of those are about a second long each, so wouldn't expect much of anything from them

stuck onyx
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its something, not a bad idea to keep it the back of our heads

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still think the clear runes are the main factor though

twin token
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Add it to the pinned list?

stuck onyx
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the audio idea?

twin token
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The steganography idea

stuck onyx
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dont think its worth a pin yet if we havent found anything with it to back it up, wouldnt want to cluster them

twin token
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Checked the screenshot provided of the spectogram

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Nothing

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Just gibberish that can be gotten from any image

soft jackal
twin token
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Ahh I need to update my keyboard. Cant find em

stuck onyx
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this looks very similar to

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could very well be that by artefacting, the slim connection pieces got lost and we saw only the 3 pronounced lines

twin token
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Could be

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Try and get the closest mathematicians symbols

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And see if they make sense in their current form

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Or write their names?

stuck onyx
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either their names or machine code yeah

twin token
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Might be onto something now

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@summer canopy sorry but could you explain your pin?

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What's the name of the symbol you sent?

deep osprey
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If the fourth symbol is indeed aleph then we can give up math interpretation because gamma proportional to gradient of aleph makes no sense, gradient has no use in set theory.

twin token
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So how about their names?

stuck onyx
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if we can find one symbol for every rune thats a start, means we would have one of the big uncertainties cleared up

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what we do with them then is another story

twin token
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First letter of their names?

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If they arent alphabets

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Of we take the pinned interpretation then the first letter of each symbol reads (as far as I could write it): GPNAL???G?

vagrant fiber
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math symbols if this can help
@soft jackal we got that sorted out already

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my txt file

stuck onyx
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getting everything associated with letters makes it easy to bruteforce a key if this is a monoalphabetic casear cipher

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but then again, only having one word as the solution would makr the end of our investigation since we dont have anything further to go on about

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if recent secrets have been done with prebuilt bases, i think a number sequence would make more sense

twin token
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Funny thing.
Here xbox tweets a gif of flame throwers asking for a multitool update and soon we find a flamethrower weapon

stuck onyx
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(except if we translate the letters directly to portal coords, which would work as long as they all are under the first 16 letters in the alphabet)

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if we then add the CE to the mix, we would have our 12 portal glyphs, but it still seems like a longshot

twin token
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We can try

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What's the worst that could happen?

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And we'll know if it's a special system cause itll be discovered by HelloGames

stuck onyx
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with the CE in the mix, would only have to check 2 portal adresses, so it wouldnt ruin someones day to check over a hundred adresses

twin token
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Yea

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Alot easier than the Melody of the egg search

willow sun
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Wait so how many addresses do we have to check

twin token
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A few I believe

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But we need a general idea of which glyphs these are

willow sun
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Hmm I need to start a new save though

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Have we translated the whole code

twin token
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Nope

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We still dont even have a clear picture

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Can someone clean it up a bit more

willow sun
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I say wait until current version is stable and Sean will start hinting at something new

twin token
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Hopefully

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But this could be something too

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Everyone spam the zendesk with the runes lol

willow sun
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Hmm

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Good idea

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@soft jackal the second rune also appears

soft jackal
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indeed

willow sun
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Why did you underline the a

twin token
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Can people try to clear up some of the suspicions static like the blue and orange one?

twin token
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Funny thing.
Here xbox tweets a gif of flame throwers asking for a multitool update and soon we find a flamethrower weapon

vernal sage
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Did you figure out that the "glyphs" are just some distorted wall textures from the trailer yet? 😄

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Because that's what they are, unfortunately

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@steady torrent already gave the solution

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I put it all together in a gdoc

cunning scroll
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See that can make sense for that image but what about the where the freighter comes in at the beginning of the trailer? There is nothing in the background that would cause them to appear there.

forest quail
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Yeah, the glyphs appear like, what is it, 4 different times?

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And they are very crisp and identifiable for something that is just randomly distorted

safe matrix
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that seems like a joke tho

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the "solution"

forest quail
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(That, and I like pretending I’m part of a crack-team of detectives working against the clock to solve an intergalactic space mystery involving trailers, dev teams, and strange alien glyphs)

cunning scroll
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that seems like a joke tho
@safe matrix "punkt"...name checks out lol

forest quail
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The symbols are waaaay too clean to just be distortion. They appear multiple times in multiple different scenes, and no matter how much you distort something, you can’t just get extremely crisp and sharp, perfectly lined up, 1-3 frame long glyphs that appear in different scenes with different backgrounds

safe matrix
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they were left there intentionally

forest quail
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Yeah, it’s pretty much guarantied that they were

vernal sage
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😩 yeah, I find it weird they decided to include static and distortion in their trailer, but even when we had WT, there was some sense behind them. With these "glyphs", you don't even know what they mean. There's nothing tying them together. And the glyphs being "very crisp", well, that's debatable. What's the 4th glyph again? Or the second - is it "<<" or "&" ?

soft jackal
vernal sage
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that seems like a joke tho
the "solution"

because there isn't one pepo

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just remember that google doc when you'll reach the same conclusion

safe matrix
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hope it's a bit clearer here

strong coyote
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have y'all seen the update might not be complete? there's a flamethrower been added that's not available yet outside of a bug

cunning scroll
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Yeah I saw that and then the fact that Xbox tweeted the flamethrower at them

strong coyote
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I wonder if there's a chunk of story planned for release shortly

cunning scroll
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Wonder if they will throw a derelict freighter into the weekend missions

strong coyote
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cause there was no substansive plot added in the update was there?

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no core missions or anyhting like that, beyond "look, there's a freigter, go mess it up"

cunning scroll
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Yeah...and again Sean never pinned the update. He always pins their big yearly update and he still has Beyond pinned.

strong coyote
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could be nothing, but the glyphs could be part of some upcoming content

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give us some time to think about it/explore the freighters a bit

cunning scroll
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I feel like it's something that is coming. All the updates so far this year feel like they are building up to something bigger.

safe matrix
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people on #nms-modding have found some interesting stuff. So yea, big things are coming. Or small things. Or... things

twin token
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What's the glyphs on the icon?

safe matrix
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hmm

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they should be in the pins

charred urchin
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Like what stuff @safe matrix

safe matrix
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reality index that determines what galaxy you're in has been added to the algorithm that determines what generates on planets for example

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some zero gravity stuff and more stuff with animals

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I'm no modder. Ask them instead @charred urchin

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But it seems like cool stuff for sure

twin token
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Yup

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Looks like more variety COULD be coming

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Take with a grain of salt

safe matrix
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theoretically there is now a system in place to include variety without wiping the base Euclid galaxy with most of the hubs and bases

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at least that's how I interpret it

charred urchin
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that sounds really promising

lament matrix
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Almost exactly the same image but distorted.

safe matrix
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now why would HG use that

lament matrix
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Not sure. This artist does live in the UK though

final river
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At 2:04 pause the video and for a few frames the glyphs appear in yellow, they may not mean anything after all

cunning scroll
final river
summer canopy
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Wait what???

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Is this new stuff?

stuck onyx
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some runes look similar

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but as usual, no way to interpret them even if we found matches

vital frigate
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Well there you go... Partial match to the symbols, at least... Is there anything else where that came from?

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Yeah, so can we agree yet that it's meaningless? blob

summer canopy
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Is that footage from the trailer?

stuck onyx
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maybe this means the runes exist as a font somewhere, which would make it very easy to assign cleartxt to them

cunning scroll
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No it's footage from no_signal video created by Liam Briggs

stuck onyx
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and also try around a bit to recreate the wonky lines we have from the trailer

lament matrix
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It must just be from some stock video or something

cunning scroll
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Yeah his project was more a musical piece so I too am curious where he got the imagry for the video.

stuck onyx
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maybe fire up a reverse image search for one isolated rune from the video

lament matrix
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@cunning scroll contact Liam maybe?

cunning scroll
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Yeah I'm gonna slide into his DMs on twitter

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Wait imagine it is his video and HG yoinked it...am I about to rat on them lol

vital frigate
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Or he worked with HG for the video?

vapid mirage
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If he's near them then it's likely

placid mango
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Hey if you guys discover anything feel free to ping me so I can get that pinned

cunning scroll
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I DMed him...he follows 666 people

daring cedar
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read the description of the piece

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his musical piece

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something about a virus and a reboot

charred urchin
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Hey weird request but run the Liam Briggs video through a spectrogram.I would but I’m away from my computer rn

safe matrix
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I doubt that the guy who made this thing in 2017 would have stuff hidden in it relating to NMS in 2020

charred urchin
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Eh just a suggestion

safe matrix
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@cunning scroll what did you ask them

stuck onyx
vital frigate
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[above: sample of the opening video] I am currently preparing a complete recording of No_Signal which will appear on this website upon completion. so there may be a longer version somewhere, with the symbols HG used.

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But November 2017: the premiere of my production No_Signal so kind of old...

cunning scroll
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I basically told him what brought me there and asked if he created the video or if it was a stick video if sorts

stuck onyx
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its something out of a postgraduate study, dont think its made with NMS in mind 😄

vital frigate
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Did you mention the symbols specifically?

stuck onyx
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lets not look too hard into it and focus on the font

cunning scroll
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Yes

daring cedar
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a lot of the visuals in his video like the static and weird lines seem from a video synth so doubt theres anything there or any other connections

charred urchin
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What good is we found a connection of some sorts.

stuck onyx
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correlation is not causality, especially if he wrote this about glitches and other stuff, so of course there seems to be many connections

daring cedar
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i dont think he did it with nms in mind but maybe what he did caught their attention

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his music almost sounds like glass screaming

lament matrix
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@stuck onyx do you think we should pin this new info?

stuck onyx
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that we found similar runes and basically the same glitch effect?

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im just a bystander, dont think i should lead the pins etc 😄

charred urchin
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Wait what about the runes I must of missed that

fair pelican
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Nice find on the glitch effect. I had been looking through loads of glitch effects yesterday, but there are tons of these available. I doubt the person in question has anything to do with it. Just the glitch effect used showing similarities. Most likely HG used or 'borrowed' a similar glitch effect. It would not amaze me if Adobe Premiere or After Effects was used. You'll find loads of similar effects, just haven't found an identical match just yet.

stuck onyx
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very likely yeah

charred urchin
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So what about the similar runes we found?

stuck onyx
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we still are at the "what do the runes mean" point

lament matrix
twin token
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Woah

stuck onyx
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but one video contained very similar to identical glitch effects aswell as similar runes

charred urchin
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Wait

twin token
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What's this guy's background?

charred urchin
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Holy crap

stuck onyx
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so now we are trying to contact him

twin token
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No way

daring cedar
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composer

twin token
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WT 3?

charred urchin
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That is fucking spot on what the shit

stuck onyx
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at the very least we may find out where the effects are from, best case we get the font/alphabet name for the runes

twin token
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EXACTLY

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WE ARE CLOSE MY DUDES

charred urchin
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I can feel it bruh a

twin token
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Why hasn't this been pinned?

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It seems very important

lament matrix
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@spark flicker it came up after finding the same NO_SIGNAL pic.

daring cedar
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either liam is not very active online or hes been busy or scrubbed everything he doesnt have a lot from this year

lament matrix
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I will ask for it to be pinned

charred urchin
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@placid mango we need your help

stuck onyx
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well he is a teacher so i guess he has not alot of freetime

strong coyote
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Or, and I'm just going to throw this out here. He's a regular human being, with a real life, and we shouldn't be harassing them.

placid mango
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Ok I’m here

cunning scroll
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He's decently active on Twitter as far as posting a decent amount

charred urchin
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Nightshadows post with no context looks at the runes

daring cedar
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i just did a glance at his socials to see if there was anything scifi on there nothing too deep

charred urchin
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Scroll up on the image

daring cedar
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didnt check twitter tho lol

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so nm

lament matrix
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@placid mango please pin my earlier posts about the no_signal pic

cunning scroll
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@strong coyote yeah that's why I sent one DM and if he replies he replies and if not we keep going anyways.

fair pelican
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A do agree @strong coyote

lament matrix
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Then pin the image from @cunning scroll

placid mango
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And this one?

daring cedar
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likewise @strong coyote not trying to harrass the guy just curious if there were any connections aside from that one page and vid

placid mango
strong coyote
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All the sites/people that were part of waking titan were very clearly, very obviously faked.

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This looks like the guys real social media and real web site.

placid mango
daring cedar
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i was more thinking hes working with them on the new content in some way, soundtrack or something not that he was part of the arg

placid mango
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Hey @lament matrix and @charred urchin those where the right things to pin right?

stuck onyx
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he probably has nothing to do with it, again

charred urchin
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Yeah

stuck onyx
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would be nice from him to tell us what font he used but thats where we should stop

charred urchin
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Those both is okay

summer canopy
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We found something big?

fair pelican
daring cedar
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has hello games "borrowed" from people like that before tho?

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the no signal graphic?

charred urchin
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Yeah zoom in on the no contact image and you’ll se runes @summer canopy

summer canopy
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WOAH

distant vortex
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Where did we get the no contact image from?

lament matrix
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@placid mango please pin the no signal pic and website too

summer canopy
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This is obviously bigger than expected

fair pelican
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Lets not forget that HG works on games. Creating videos is not their main thing. So why not get some template, adjust to your needs, to create a cool video with? They'd not be creating this all from scratch just for a trailer

daring cedar
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for the glitches yes but for a graphic off someone else video?

summer canopy
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They did get better at creating trailers all of the sudden

placid mango
placid mango
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Ok I think those are up to date

daring cedar
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unless thats a stock image and we just havent found the actual source yet

charred urchin
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@distant vortex we found an image in the trailer that is very similar to some guys website we looked into it and we found the no contact image

placid mango
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Correct me if I’m wrong

charred urchin
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That’s good

junior flame
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liam brigg looks like a real person

distant vortex
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Maybe there could be a mini ARG leading into a update for next month or September maybe?

stuck onyx
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*we found someone who used the same effects in a video that he likely didnt create fully by himself (dude is a musician), dont accidentally DoS a real person

fair pelican
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My guess, because text is used with the glitch, it likely glitches the characters too, resulting in the 'glyphs'. To figure it out, you'd have to understand the glitch. I'd think it may just say DESOLATION, but glitched into the extended ascii or even beyond, using unicode

charred urchin
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@junior flame he is he has a Twitter someone already dmed asking questions

daring cedar
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he stated he created the vid on his site but dunno about the specific no signal graphic

stuck onyx
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i dont think HG would let us flood someone who is a real person, especially after WT

summer canopy
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True

daring cedar
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if he did create the no signal graphic tho why not create a similar one for no contact?

summer canopy
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Would be cool if we got WT 3 but I doubt it

fair pelican
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Anyone out there who owns After Effects to try some free glitch templates?

charred urchin
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I used to own after effects but never really dug around

fair pelican
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I bet we could re-create it somewhat

distant vortex
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Have After Effects but haven't really used it lol.

stuck onyx
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why is no contact important all of a sudden? lets do a fact check really quick: we found someone who used the same effect (which, as Devilin pointed out already, is likely just a paid one for AE or other software), who also used some cryptic runes which are as similar as other runesets we looked at before (not 100% matching!), that doesnt mean he is suddenly our answer to anything.

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before we collectively harass him, we were bound to find similar glitch effects sooner or later

cunning scroll
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Yeah I personally don't think he is an answer to anything l just asked if he used a stock video or created it himself.

stuck onyx
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yeah thats perfectly fine

charred urchin
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Only one person has dmed and that is all that need to happen

daring cedar
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thats gonna be a key answer really

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i cant find the no signal image on a reverse image search

stuck onyx
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but thats where it should stop, he likely isnt involved in any of this

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and probably hella confused now 😄

daring cedar
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most definitely

twin token
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We arent questioning him (at least I hope no one else is) we just want to get the font for those runes

summer canopy
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Those symbols look Identical too

twin token
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That's why we dmed him

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Just for some context

junior flame
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this is WT S2 all over again

winged rampart
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Are we even sure this is something?

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Cos I'm not convinced

junior flame
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no i mean

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people are so desperate for progress

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they look for the smallest leads

summer canopy
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It has to be something

charred urchin
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I think what interesting to point out is the runes The guy used

summer canopy
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Why would it show up more than 10 times in the trailer?

daring cedar
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no my other side theory is that the runes/glyphs are the "language" of the abyss breaking through and it will make more sense when the "enemy" is introduced

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no puzzle just foreshadowing

charred urchin
daring cedar
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but thats not as fun lol

charred urchin
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they are basically identical

summer canopy
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Yeah they are

cunning scroll
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To be fair the double struck L in his video is backwards from what we got

strong coyote
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identical aside from them all being different?

winged rampart
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Imo they're too distorted, and there's no way to work it out. So if it is something we'd have to wait for another trailer

vital frigate
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In the other image, some of the symbols are mirrored as well as that way round

charred urchin
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wait i just thought of something

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i know it might be a stretch

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buuuut

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when we were doing the waking titan arg remeber how HG told us we missed stuff in the arg

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what if this is a circle back to that stuff we missed

summer canopy
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Could be

vital frigate
junior flame
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i still doubt it's anything

lament matrix
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@placid mango please also pin the message from @cunning scroll saying he DMed him on Twitter to ask how the video was created.

charred urchin
placid mango
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Night shadow I’m having trouble finding it

junior flame
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yes but the website has been active since 2017

vital frigate
placid mango
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Thanks

stuck onyx
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glitched medieval culture, so thats likely where the font is from and why it looks so similar to anglosaxon and norse

charred urchin
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I’m getting sound files so I can throw it into a spectrogram real quick

safe matrix
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@charred urchin wasn't there an entire alternate story to the WT based on the choice we made

summer canopy
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Yeah

charred urchin
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I believe so although from what I remember they didn’t give as much leeway to make an extreme difference in the story

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But yeah we had choices

summer canopy
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It could be a new arg, WT 3. But its completely different

safe matrix
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if they were to make another arg it couldn't last for long

summer canopy
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True

placid mango
placid mango
placid mango
placid mango
placid mango
charred urchin
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so many pinned comments

placid mango
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Sorry just re organizing

charred urchin
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nah i get it

vapid mirage
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I can see that some pinning has happened here

charred urchin
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just a little

lament matrix
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@vapid mirage that would be my fault told spaceman to organize the pins more in chronical order.

karmic valve
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i highly doubt its anything

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but has anyone checked the spectogram for that no signal thing

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i mean maybe they intended to use it for waking titan

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but then didnt?

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i dunno

charred urchin
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im trying to right now

twin token
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Great job!

turbid cobalt
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Hmmm

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So it seems like a lot of people are saying it’s just nothing now

karmic valve
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i mean ive just gone over the video, same no signal, really similar style, same pretty much everything

turbid cobalt
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Why have we suddenly lost all hope

karmic valve
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the glyphs are the same

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like im notjoking

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the end glphys it flicks between like 20+ of them, and they are the glyphs

turbid cobalt
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I wonder if that site could be being used for a future ARG?

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Or maybe that’s indication that it does, in fact, mean nothing

karmic valve
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if we get the font he used, then maybe we can use the font, see what letters equals what font and then make a word?

turbid cobalt
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if we get the font he used, then maybe we can use the font, see what letters equals what font and then make a word?
ooo maybe

charred urchin
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i believe it's the lack of progress or whatever progress we have made has only been as speculation, that and no official word from hello games

stuck onyx
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@karmic valve we are already on it (one of us DM'd him), but other than that this is a normal Person and this is his RL website, so we dont think its gonna be "used" for any kind of ARG

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and we kinda wanna spare the poor guy the spam he would get if we suggest it otherwise

strong coyote
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We're at the point where the investigation is essentially doxxing someone, so I think a comment either way will be imminent

karmic valve
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well lets hope we get something from him in all honesty

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if he has no clue what we are on about then game over?

stuck onyx
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no, then we just have to look elsewhere, since all we can really hope for is a font name for the runes

karmic valve
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honestly in my head its one of two things:
this is something they didnt use for wt and now are using
they just ripped this guys work off

stuck onyx
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but other than that, what is he supposed to know?

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and no, its more likely that the glitch effects are just paid ones everyone can use

karmic valve
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i guess so maybe yeah

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we shall see

stuck onyx
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this guy made the song in 2017 as a postgraduate project, he even outlines its reasoning on his website... we shouldnt assume everything is related together like this, we sound like conspiracy theorists now

strong coyote
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Honestly I don't think the guy should have been DM'd even once without some confirmation there is an ARG underway

karmic valve
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@stuck onyx literally though

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i mean hg obviously knows we are doing this

twin token
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All we want from the guy is the font name

stuck onyx
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i think a single dm over twitter asking about a font is alright, but thats where it should stop

karmic valve
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it would be nice to know if there is actually anything going on

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but i doubt we will get that

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just a tiny clue even

twin token
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i think a single dm over twitter asking about a font is alright, but thats where it should stop
@stuck onyx
Exactly

charred urchin
twin token
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Nope

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Maybe a vykeen tablet artifact

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But that's probably just the lack of zoom

icy torrent
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@charred urchin I don't think its the audio, look at the pins, so far we got only stuff from the trailer glyphs audio only creates wave forms

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Maybe we got a chance of searching clues in derelict freighters

safe matrix
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@charred urchin obviously travellers sitting

icy torrent
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are you trolling now or?

karmic valve
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@icy torrent thats not true

safe matrix
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Idk. That's what I see @icy torrent

karmic valve
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things can be hidden on spectograms

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as dark audio

icy torrent
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Oh i didn't know

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interesting

karmic valve
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things like this

icy torrent
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wow

safe matrix
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it looks like a bunch of travellers sitting but yes, this is also kinda for the funs because I don't think they've hid that in there

turbid cobalt
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Nice

icy torrent
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i don't know why but i see a creature in there

safe matrix
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travlr

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but seriously now. I think the only thing there is to investigate are those glyphs

twin token
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Exactly

karmic valve
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^

twin token
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But we only need the font from the guy

safe matrix
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ah yes, that too

icy torrent
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it does match

twin token
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Or the source of the no_signal image

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@icy torrent it's super close

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And probably not the entire alphabet

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That no_signal image is the strongest link

daring cedar
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been looking for another source of the no_signal image and only finding the second video

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liams video

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barely even finding any with the underscore

twin token
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That the only info we need

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So let's stop bothering him for other things / investigating him

daring cedar
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i havent been on his page since earlier, just using image search

vital frigate
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I seems very unlikely that two people would independently come across and use both the no signal thing and the glyphs in unrelated videos. I think more likely is that this guy made one or both of them, then HG either worked with him or borrowed parts of his video.

twin token
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HG never speaks about these aspects so I thinking getting context from the guy would be nice anyway

icy torrent
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It would make sense if the answer was a portal address

stuck onyx
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it all loops back to us avoiding looking at the runes

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and i dont think you could even extract dark audio from just a youtube video, sound gets compressed there

karmic valve
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yeah makes sense

icy torrent
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How does Dark Audio work? can anyone explain?

charred urchin
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never head of that and about the spectrogram I was just trying to cover all our options didn't expect much but oh well

lament matrix
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I would put my money on HG and Liam got same the stock footage.

twin token
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Let's just wait for a reply from the guy

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Hopefully he knows the font or image

icy torrent
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the guy?

twin token
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Liam Briggs

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The project page says he made the visuals I believe @lament matrix

deep osprey
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anyone see anything
@charred urchin if the peaks correspond to the moments there's disortion in the video then it's the algorithm used to disort it using the same transform every time, generating these periodic parts. It's the side effect, not the cause.

charred urchin
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yeah i think you're right watching it back I don't think there is anything in it to decode or find

deep osprey
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And if you divide it into segments of the same length it can be read as binary: 11001100100110100

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Which is 104756 in decimal

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I think it's worth noting it's a number with no repeated digits so it may serve as an ordering sequence of a set.

charred urchin
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but while that might be the case, I don't understand how you got the orignal binary number, I guess i'm not understanding the process of getting that number

deep osprey
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Look at the spectrograph, divide it into equal parts along the horizontal axis with one segment being rougly as wide as that isolated peak in the middle. If the peak is 1 and no peak is 0 you get the number.

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But I don't think it encodes anything because the rightmost peak is slightly too much to the left (the others are almost perfectly distributed though).

strong coyote
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Binary numbering depends on whether you're intepretting it as little endian or big endian. All you've got there is a made up string.

charred urchin
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Oooh okay I thought oyu were just pulling from the whole sequence as time frame rather than segments that makes sense now

deep osprey
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@strong coyote I assumed two trailing 0's would be a bit much for Little Endian.

strong coyote
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Given that the dominant CPU is little endian, that'd be an odd assumption

deep osprey
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Oh, it's 17 bits. If I cut the rightmost 0 it becomes 16, which seems more feasible.

strong coyote
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If you transform the information enough times, you can get it to say almost anything you want

deep osprey
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LoL I've stated several times I actually don't think there's a message in the trailer at all.

icy torrent
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But then why make it look like it?

deep osprey
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Have you ever heard of doing things for fun?

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😜

twin token
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Has HG every seen what we do to anything they release?

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😉

deep osprey
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OK, seriously now: the only puzzle concept I think would be probable is a Caesar cipher with some table using the glyphs but we don't have a suitable table because some of the glyphs are apparently made up. It's not linguistic or mathematical for as much as we've analysed it and a "technical puzzle" like spectrograph encoding would be addressed to a very limited audience.

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IMHO no message at all.

icy torrent
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I found these at one of those infected terminals, i don't think this was there before

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junior flame
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I love this community XD

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@icy torrent texture corruption, it's been all over the place as of late

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Someone at Hello Games did a fuck

icy torrent
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yeah lol i just noticed

charred urchin
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@deep osprey I think you underestimate what HG has done in the past. We have dealt with casset tapes being sent to a specific person in which they had to decode and share with the community. We have had packages being sent to ppl in which they used a black light on and found coded message. A lot of the shit we have gone through with the arg is entirely possible solution to the glyphs. bascially what im trying to say is HG is afraid of making things complicated.

junior flame
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.... That wasn't HG

icy torrent
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that was alice & smith

junior flame
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The entire Waking Titan ARG was outsourced

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To yeah

icy torrent
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most of waking titan was alice & smith

twin token
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They had the resources

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But the plan was from HG

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And we don't know

junior flame
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Uh no it wasnt

twin token
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We dont know if A&C perhaps started another season

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@junior flame okay then

junior flame
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The whole game was orchestrated by Alice and Smith with oversight from HG and with Greg Buchanan as the lead writer

twin token
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Woah I cant belive your 4 digit num

icy torrent
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This glyph puzzle is an innitiative from HG i believe

twin token
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Probably

junior flame
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The whole reason there was a multi month gap in season 2 was because a main member of the A&S team was ill and they could not work

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That's also why season 2 was painfully rushed

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But yeah if this is anything

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It's from the mothership

twin token
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?

junior flame
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Oh force of habit

twin token
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Lol

junior flame
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I call HG the mothership, like how magic fans call Wizards the mothership

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It's fun

charred urchin
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okay yeah but still it's possible for HG to have outsourced A&S again.

twin token
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Heh well that's nice.
Itllbhe fun to see what the mothership has cooked up for us

charred urchin
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unless i missed soemthing

junior flame
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I doubt it

twin token
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Its possible

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But how big is A&C?

icy torrent
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Depends what you mean by big

twin token
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Because they are running another ARG RN

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Can they run multiple ARG's?

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That the big I mean

icy torrent
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Well, not sure

charred urchin
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depends on how big they're team is i guess

twin token
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If not, then this ain't A&C

strong coyote
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Like any company, they like having money

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If they needed resources, they'd buy them in

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Running multiple games isn't much of a stretch

junior flame
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I think this at most could lead to another living ship like event

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But on a slightly larger scale

icy torrent
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I mean Destiny 2 has a lot of puzzles some of these aren't even solved yet

steady torrent
icy torrent
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almost seems like patterns adding up to each other

junior flame
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Yeah but that's Destiny 2

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A game built by hundreds if not thousands of people

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Or a thousand to be exact

icy torrent
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true

vital frigate
plucky glacier
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where is this from

vital frigate
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I made that from the stuff in that other video... My guess anyway. Couldn't find anything like the last symbol, they all take up the whole square.

charred urchin
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wow is that an exact copy?

zenith mirage
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almost

charred urchin
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holy shitsss

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well we could be wrong on some of these illustrations because of the glitches

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this is the closest we have gotten to an exact match

plucky glacier
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i mean, we do have an image with basically all of the appearances of this sequence

granite sierra
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something new?

plucky glacier
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not something new, just a thing moo made

odd delta
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who the hell found the no signal video

vital frigate
odd delta
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hell, guy is an internet FBI agent

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is there any relation between Liam Brigg and NMS?

vital frigate
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Nearest thing I could find for that last glyph

plucky glacier
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doesn't seem so accurate imo

odd delta
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it might be a glyph custom font

vital frigate
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Yeah, that one seems anomalous, doesn't take up the whole square

charred urchin
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yeah you might be right

plucky glacier
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lemme find the pic again

vital frigate
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That's what I was working off

plucky glacier
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ah okay

steady torrent
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pretty damn close all things considering

charred urchin
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yeah

plucky glacier
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yeah, all of them are spot-on except for the last one

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so this is certainly progress compared to the last few days

strong coyote
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4 is a poor match too

fair pelican
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ᐬ

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Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics?

plucky glacier
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4 actually looks like a good match

strong coyote
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4 has 2 dots on it, moo's one has no dots

plucky glacier
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those dots could be an effect of the glitch/distortion stuff

vital frigate
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It's a good match for the second or middle dark blue... Yeah, but the box-with-line, and right-angle thing have dots too, but those are missing... I think just by being so blurred all the dots disappear

icy torrent
fair pelican
vital frigate
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That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the triangle. But that's about all there really.

strong coyote
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If you use edge detection on the turquoise image glyph 4 comes out pretty clearly

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Not my image

fair pelican
plucky glacier
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no matches for #10 in canadian aboriginal syllabics

strong coyote
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It looks like a lowercase psi, rotated 45 degrees, with 2 dots

plucky glacier
strong coyote
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Not sure if it has a vertical line or not, but looks close

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None of the uppercase gamma's have dots either

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No dots on 5

plucky glacier
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it seems to have a vertical line on pic 1

charred urchin
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for the first symbol

icy torrent
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if you look closely

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there are like muddy parts

vital frigate
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I don't think there's anything useful there

tropic cobalt
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in that image you made of the nine clear symbols, did any involve rotation?

vital frigate
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Only flipping horizontally... But in the video they're flipped on one side of the image anyway

tropic cobalt
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im asking because i was roaming shapecatcher's unicode blocks and saw ⛜

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it had my attention

plucky glacier
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oh?

tropic cobalt
plucky glacier
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that might be the only rotated one

vital frigate
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Heh

tropic cobalt
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i think its coincidence

vital frigate
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Yeah

plucky glacier
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most likely coincidence

deep osprey
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At this point I'd try to contact Brigg and ask him whether he drew the glyphs himself or took them from somewhere else (the vid may be a secondary reference found by accident).

vital frigate
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Already done, I believe

tropic cobalt
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yes, someone already sent a question about them

deep osprey
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Hm, glyphs fitting squares is not that often. Mayan script comes to mind, I've seen one of the three surviving documents in it in Dresden.

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No, they are rectangular, not square.

vital frigate
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CJK is all square... But I think we can safely say this is no real-world language, writing system, or anything... Nothing else that would be in Unicode either.

deep osprey
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Maya is not in Unicode, that's why I thought of it.

plucky glacier
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#7 is from old english though, it's dagaz

deep osprey
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#2 is so atypical it should reveal the source

vital frigate
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A lot of them are simple enough that the same or very similar shapes will be around, yeah... #6 and #8 are the least likely

deep osprey
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Not many to check, will take a look

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If you flip the glyphs upside down a few match Linear B.

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But not all.

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Cypriot is even closer.

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At this point I'm over 90% sure it's in one of the Ancient Mediterranean scripts.

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There are several of them which cover 6 characters.

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The thing with these scripts is there was no codified writing direction for them so we should check all combinations.

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zenith mirage
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i feel that we're so close

deep osprey
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This runic one has some striking similarities but still doesn't cover everything.

stuck onyx
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so far we have found a few alphabets that somewhat fit, how likely do you think is a mixture of multiple alphabets?

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i guess pretty slim, since it would hinder the communities progress?

deep osprey
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I'd say if I were allowed to rotate characters by multiples of 90 degrees I'd probably find a match for every glyph.

plucky glacier
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it is multiple alphabets i'm pretty sure

deep osprey
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Aegean Sea scripts have pretty much everything needed.

stuck onyx
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im gonna agree with the rotation thing, seems like a countermeasure to fight against any sort of advanced text detection algo

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or to throw us off, lightly

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either way, good progress

deep osprey
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So far I found exact matches in Linear A, Linear B, Cypro-Minoan and Cypriot.

stuck onyx
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are these different fonts or names of letters inside one single font?

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if its multiple, we need to agree on the most fitting or promising one to further look into

deep osprey
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No no, these are actual ancient alphabets.

stuck onyx
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ah, so multiple

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font, alphabet and letter gets thrown around here so much that i slightly confused myself with the wording here, mb 😄

deep osprey
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Good news is if it's Mediterranean then the decoded message starts with 'G' regardless of the one chosen to decode.

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It's a pre-gamma

stuck onyx
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which would give us two hits directly, regardless of alphabet

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pretty nice yeah

deep osprey
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Bad news is it can be syllabic.

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Or have only consonants notated.

stuck onyx
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think we still are in the information collection phase, so everything that could come up is good for a start

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dont think its likely to be a normal word anyway, so we probably will have to interpret them later anyway

plucky glacier
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could be ciphered, who knows

ornate crater
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So I'm just looking, and I might be wrong, but the tool I'm using foesnt think there are any 10 letter words with 2 g's

stuck onyx
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we already have a comprehensive list of all possible english words that would fit with an uniform key

ornate crater
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Ah.

plucky glacier
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it may not be an english word

stuck onyx
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if this is in the style of a normal caesar cipher

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yeah, thats the issue

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we dont know if it even is supposed to be an word, let alone english

ornate crater
#

Ah I missed the resource links link

plucky glacier
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yeah

stuck onyx
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a word would pretty much mark the end of the hunt though, so i doubt it

plucky glacier
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though it can't be a YT link anyway, unless one of the characters represents multiple letters

stuck onyx
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could be hashed

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or anything, really 😄

plucky glacier
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i think we should worry about that once we figure out what the whole sequence is

deep osprey
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Ah, found a gold mine. Now to just go through all of them xD

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OMG, perish the thought but what if it's a melody?

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Written in e.g. Ancient Greek musical script.

stuck onyx
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could also very well be the case

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question is, how would we interpret a melodical sequence?

ornate crater
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I'm looking at the images and I feel like the 4th symbol is something more like this, ‷ just 3 lines instead of the trident head sort of thing

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Has anyone done a spectogram of the trailer itself?

plucky glacier
ornate crater
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That should probably be put on the doc just so its known, no?

deep osprey
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In Lycian it would start as PTDI but #5 has no match

cunning scroll
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A lot of these look close but do they correspond to the Greek above them?

bright tendon
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i can confirm they do (greek here)

deep osprey
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Bad news is the same glyphs correspond to different sounds in other ancient languages so assigning them may not be enough

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#2 is puzzling, it's only in Lycian, Carian and Old Turkic, and that involves rotations.

cunning scroll
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This website breaks down the above script and separates them out and you can browse based on writing direction and such but it is not very mobile friendly lol

deep osprey
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Letterforms matching the glyphs all come from Crete.

ornate crater
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Can someone bring me up to speed on this Liam Brigg thing

deep osprey
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He made a video in which a set of strikingly similar glyphs appears, all except one have a direct match.

ornate crater
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When was the video made?

deep osprey
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The thing is his are more detailed, some have additional dots. Until he responds we can only mine the web to find other appearances of them. I chose to dig through some non-Unicode character sets, ancient Aegean scripts seem promising.

stuck onyx
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Airom forget about it for now, it was likely a dead end

ornate crater
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Well.... seems to me that if briggs's video was made beforehand, the chances of them not being related are very, very slim

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And that might be where its supposed to go

proper verge
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if anything, it has the characters, except the last one, which means it might be an add on/filter for editing software that created those symbols

ornate crater
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Also, the idea of the no_signal piece fits quite nicely with the desolation update as a whole:

Liam produced No_Signal, an immersive concert experience depicting malfunctioning electronic systems

deep osprey
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I was thinking about downloading that sheet music mentioned on the site but the link doesn't work for me.

ornate crater
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I can try one sec

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Ah there is no link for me

deep osprey
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Ooooh guys, gimmie a sec, I think I got something big

proper verge
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which site ?

ornate crater
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There's a line that says "click here" but it doesn't have a link attached

deep osprey
icy torrent
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Oh so this was nothing at all?

ornate crater
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What is the timestamp of the symbols in the no_signal video?

proper verge
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around 2:04

ornate crater
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Oh wow theres a bunch of symbols there

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Wait how was that video found in the first place?

proper verge
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um, idk

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was just thinking that

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i assume with a image search for the no_signal frame

cunning scroll
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Yeah it was found from the no_signal frame

ornate crater
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Oh was there a no_signal frame in the trailer?

proper verge
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yes

ornate crater
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...then why do people thing that thats a dead end

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Has anyone tried to compile all the symbols from the no signal video? there are quite a few more than just the sequence that we know

proper verge
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dont think so

vital frigate
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That seems even less likely to result in anything worthwhile.

cunning scroll
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Yeah someone did

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This is what they came up with as far as it pertains to what we have

ornate crater
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Unless I'm missing one, there seem to be two frames/sets from the no signal video

vital frigate
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That was me heh... I think they mean all the symbols, even ones not in the trailer?

icy torrent
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you know honestly I would not be surprised if those can be found as decals in the abandoned freighters, and they put them in there as stylization

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who has done file snooping

ornate crater
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But... those exact glyphs and the no signal frame? idk...

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I'm going to try to isolate the secondary glyphs from the no signal video

cunning scroll
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That's why we were curious if the glitch effect used was some kind of after effects or premier pro package of some sorts.

icy torrent
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it probably was. no way this website is part of anything, it's got copyrighted material from bonnie tyler

ornate crater
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Ah... so the thinking is that the glitch effect is what adds the symbols in?

summer canopy
#

Theres more than meets the eye for sure

cunning scroll
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Yeah something along those lines. I thought it would be a font of sorts but I have tried using symbols found on that page in several font finder tools with no luck but most of the font finder tools try to associate a letter to the symbols and that kinda breaks the search

ornate crater
cunning scroll
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Yeah I mean it's really weird cus I have also looked at pre packaged glitch effects and tutorials on YouTube and none of them introduce those weird symbols in the back but are more along the lines of how to do the NO CONTACT glitch with the different color layers

icy torrent
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the website was made in 2015

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just to maybe debunk anyone thinking it's part of an ARG

plucky glacier
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the no contact thing, right?

icy torrent
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yup

plucky glacier
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yeah, i was wondering where people got it from

cunning scroll
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The only thing I can possibly think of is this Liam guy is a freelance digital manager in the UK area and maybe took this on as a job...and that's a huge maybe

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It's just very odd it would have the same/similar symbols and the no signal in the same color purple

plucky glacier
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maybe it was just a source of inspiration

cunning scroll
#

Yeah that's also another possibility

ornate crater
#

That is a very real possibility

icy torrent
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wish HG would have just said this was nothing

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I feel like they know about this at this point

plucky glacier
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maybe they're leaving us to our own devices this time? who knows

icy torrent
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well the problem is they always have, because they did the same thing with WT. but that time, it was legit an ARG

cunning scroll
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Yeah I'm hoping they are heads down in bug fixes and just haven't realized yet

icy torrent
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this time, it doesn't look like it, but are still silent anyway

summer canopy
#

I'm pretty sure sean knows about this

icy torrent
cunning scroll
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What if it was nothing but now they will seize this opportunity and make it something lol

icy torrent
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or they just thought, "Hey, it gets them more active, so..."

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btw, I got the date the site was made from whois.net. I would've said nothing had it been confirming this were an ARG

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but, you know, doesn't seem like it is, so it's 2015

plucky glacier
#

we are now back in 2015

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harambe is funny

icy torrent
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o shit waddup memes

summer canopy
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Whois

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Hmmmmm

icy torrent
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whois existed before WT, and after. it's a term in general

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but yeah it's a throwback

zenith mirage
#

ikr

lament matrix
placid mango
zenith mirage
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That'll be 12 million units

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jk

vital frigate
lament matrix
placid mango
zenith mirage
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cool and good

placid mango
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👍

plucky glacier
#

i just realized that those links send you to the actual message now

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i was wondering why people keep posting them

icy torrent
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looks like we are making progress

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did that liam guy replied yet?

cunning scroll
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Nah hasn't read or replied

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I probably shouldn't have opened with a dick pic

pale whale
#

I'm kind of out of the loop on this whole glyph investigation. Did you guys find like an arg or something?

proper verge
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or something

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there are symbols in the newest trailer

summer canopy
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Yeah in the glitches

cunning scroll
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We dont know yet

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We haven't been able to align them all to symbols that exist or find the font that was used for this

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They came from a video that was found to contain a similar no_signal frame as the one also found in the trailer.

plucky glacier
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Moo made that picture actually

cunning scroll
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Yeah that's what we are trying to figure out. We don't wanna dox the guy so I sent him a message on Twitter and we are just waiting to see if he replies.

cedar smelt
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What is Glyph-Investigation? 👀
In the trailer for NMS Desolation update the community identified 10 unknown symbols/glyphs glitching in and out through the frames, alongside some other questionable frames. It is currently undetermined as to whether this is an upcoming ARG or simply artistic freedom on HG's part. You can see a frame by frame breakdown of the trailer in the following Google Drive courtesy of @thorn fjord - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/153IXmNdqME-ONTICNOl08hDcnPHdXixb?usp=sharing

User @proper verge has collated the more suspect images, and some of the theories here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khLGA-zXFeoWLXq4bUXNgJALt_pwfiBJR8FyU-X115U/edit?usp=sharing

Theories and Outcomes

  • Find a relevant cipher for the symbols. - Work is ongoing, but there is no obvious, direct translation of these symbols existing in any one set.
  • Spectrograph the trailer - this has been done and nothing significant has shown up. (https://i.imgur.com/ozdRr7w.png)
  • Spectrograph Sean's tweet - this has been done and nothing significant has shown up (https://i.imgur.com/4bTQ5Va.jpg)
  • An artist known as "Liam Brigg" was identified as having uploaded a video with frames similar to that of the Desolation trailer. (No_Signal). (https://www.liambrigg.com/projects/no_signal/) The video also bares glitching glyphs similar to, if not the same as those shown in the trailer. https://discordapp.com/channels/146101654981312513/733597289406398505/734484292154949712
    It is not yet determined if this is related, however the more common opinion is that the assets are probably shared, or Liam was involved in the creation of the Desolation trailer. @cunning scroll has attempted to contact Liam to see if he can confirm/deny involvement. No further contact is needed.

How can I get involved
Read, suggest - have fun. There's no right or wrong answers at this stage.

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Pins felt super out of context. Hopefully this helps @placid mango 🙂

main oxide
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thanks arnaud

placid mango
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Do you want me to pin that?

cedar smelt
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If you want too, I figured it might help. The pins are just a hot mess of theories with no context and stuff that looks like stuff, that might not be any stuff lol

placid mango
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K

placid mango
cedar smelt
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I tried to be more thorough but Discord and 2000 character limit lol

plucky glacier
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you could do multiple messages

cedar smelt
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I could! But I didn't

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lol

plucky glacier
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true

icy torrent
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i'm gonna cry if this was artistic freedom from HG

plucky glacier
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not like we need to write a whole novel about it

cunning scroll
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Lol I think it serves its purpose well

cedar smelt
cunning scroll
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Lol if this was artistic freedom then it slipped through the cracks...HG knows it's fans pretty well

cedar smelt
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For me, it depends who's responsible for the trailer.
We used to know a good HG trailer - Trailer Lady Voice, all that stuff.

The last few have been different. So they could have been outsourced to third parties. "Here's some footage - make it spooky"
If that's the case - it's definitely artistic freedom.
If the trailer is made in HG HQ, then there's a good chance there's more to it

proper verge
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hm, good point

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but, why would sean tweet the last bit of the trailer ?

cedar smelt
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I know with my workplace, there's a big difference in terms of stuff we do in house and stuff we resource externally. Sure, it has all the typical "house branding" but unless we specified "Please don't put crazy glyphs in cause our fans are mad" then it could happen

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but, why would sean tweet the last bit of the trailer ?
@proper verge This, I do not know 🤔

cunning scroll
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Yeah looking at Sean's tweets it's either hey there is something in here or he's just a proud dad

cedar smelt
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Because it was the only bit that didn't give something away maybe

proper verge
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maybe

icy torrent
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He did posted multiple times and he usually posts it one time

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and then updates about bug fixes

cedar smelt
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Time will tell. Or time might not tell. 😂
I'd love for HG to say something if we're wasting days of our lives. But they have never really spoken about anything outside of NMS except for the end of WT so I'm not holding my breath

icy torrent
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He could give us mysterious tweets or something hmmmmmm

cedar smelt
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He did posted multiple times and he usually posts it one time
@icy torrent He posted exo-mech trailer at least 4 times

icy torrent
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oh nvm then

cedar smelt
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Infact, scrolling now - at least 6 times

summer canopy
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Yes arnaud

plucky glacier
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"at least 4 times" definitely more of a proud dad thing then

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who wouldn't want to show off their creations

cedar smelt
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Proud dad and "please buy this game" 😏

plucky glacier
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and that

icy torrent
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not only that, its very positive on Steam

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Why do people keep posting that, i don't see anything there

cedar smelt
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These pictures look like they could be onto something - but if you're going to post a string of images, please write your theory and what you're thinking??

icy torrent
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oo

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NMS is ready for more variety in my opinion

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after all this polishing

plucky glacier
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everyone who plays NMS: "gib variety"

icy torrent
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isn't it true?

proper verge
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i mean, main aspect of the game is exploring

icy torrent
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i play since day 1, i have seen every possible outcome

plucky glacier
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have you seen all 18.4 quintillion possible planets?

icy torrent
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no, i'm saying i've seen all kinds of possible planets

plucky glacier
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true

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i think what we need more is more realistic planets/climate

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multibiome planets, as somebody said earlier

icy torrent
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multibiome oh yes pelase

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and we need lava

cedar smelt
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Since before Next my one request for this game has been "Give me a reason to fly to the other side of a planet".
The second you land, you know what you're in for.

The other updates have been amazing and I love them and I'm grateful for them. But show me something that I can't see from the cockpit of my ship

plucky glacier
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hadean earth 2.0

icy torrent
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i'm still surprised that every planet is proc gen that is the only reason i wanna visit another planet

plucky glacier
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imagine NMS with real chemistry

icy torrent
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i'm too dumb for real chemistry

plucky glacier
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same but it'd be cool

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educational as well

icy torrent
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i'm already too dumb with electricity wires

main oxide
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i dont think a game like no mans sky would be suitable for chemistry

plucky glacier
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true

main oxide
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its very arcadey

icy torrent
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No, its very indie

main oxide
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a rudimentary chemisty station would be very cool though

plucky glacier
summer canopy
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I mean they have sodium, carbon, oxygen. Etc

ornate crater
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Yes, take it somewhere else

plucky glacier
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they do have actual elements, but not really chemistry

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i feel like it'd change progression quite a bit as well

icy torrent
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its Sean's own chemistry table, its his own universe, he is a god

plucky glacier
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sean is atlas

icy torrent
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i bet

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he's spying us through the atlas

plucky glacier
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the only way to stop the spying is to say the forbidden digits

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ummm uhh

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10 + 6

icy torrent
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16 🔥

plucky glacier
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wwwwwwwww

icy torrent
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I wonder what kind of machine it takes to host a universe

plucky glacier
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a lot of drives

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like, a lot

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i guess it depends on the detail of the simulation

ornate crater
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This discussion is offtopic from this channel

plucky glacier
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like if you were to simulate every atom and their interactions, you might need to store a few thousand yottabytes of data

icy torrent
strong coyote
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I think I've heard about a game about a universe running in a simulation

plucky glacier
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i wonder what that game is called

strong coyote
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Three mens floor or something

plucky glacier
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i thought you meant maybe person's space

icy torrent
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so if these clues are on one of those 18 quintillion planets we are lost af

plucky glacier
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well, if they were on a planet we'd receive some directions to them at some point

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of course, the glyph sequence isn't the address

stuck onyx
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unlikely, but we still dont have a solid idea of what the glyphs even are, so i wouldnt rule it out as of yet

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also thanks for the great write-up, fits everything in neatly

plucky glacier
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don't portals require 12 glyphs?

stuck onyx
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they do, but we also have "CE" floating around in another glitch frame, or we could do conversions with modulo 16 for example to get to more numbers

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still think its unlikely to be just a word. maybe something that leads to another website

plucky glacier
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i think so too

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maybe it leads to a website, or an unlisted video on YT

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one of the glyphs might represent multiple characters if transliterated, accounting for the difference in character length

cedar smelt
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In some rune alphabets one symbol can typically represent two letters too, like “sh” or “Qu” etc. So we could definitely turn 10 symbols into a longer string

deep osprey
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My research so far suggests it is indeed syllabic.

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Most video editor scripts allowing to make such glyph patches require them to be a font. The ones from the video do not look like a font, so I guess Brigg drew them himself and added images as frames.

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Triangles however have sharp corners so they weren't drawn with a brush.

cunning scroll
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Yeah I think we are kind of stuck until Brigg answers or we get either another hint from HG or something saying it's nothing.

proper verge
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just ask sean again

cunning scroll
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Xbox event is Thursday but I believe it's 1st party titles only and they already showed of The Last Campfire during the last Xbox event...I mean NMS is a gamepass title so there is a chance but it's probably slim.

final needle
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Halo Infinite spoggers

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Hm

cunning scroll
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They did add Xbox cosmetics into the game...could maybe be adding some more...maybe something related to halo like a Master Chief helmet which would tie it to halo and their show on Thursday.

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Anyone else got an straws I can grasp at? I'm running out

safe matrix
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Theoretically there are 4 more content releases until 3.0

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Nothing says that 3.0 would have to be a major point but all the several additions they said they're planning might tie up at the very end of the year into 3.0

cunning scroll
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That theory gives us enough time for a mini ARG lol

safe matrix
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I guess so. That way they can tease the major release whilst still giving small content drops every month

summer canopy
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Maybe theyll do an end of the year huge update?

cunning scroll
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Assuming we don't get anything big in August this would be my guess as well...I would say COVID and the transition to working from home may have delayed things a bit.

ornate crater
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Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see any more huge updates, just more of the small to medium ones we've been seeing.

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Even for beyond, they planned to do smaller updates at first, then merged...

cunning scroll
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That's a good point.

safe matrix
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But why would Sean intentionally reply/retweet/like tweets that mention big summer patch

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that's what I find odd

vital frigate
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Possibly because his idea of big isn't the same...

rugged burrow
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I hadn't been to that back room in the Nexus in a while, the one with the computer running a simulation of the universe on it. and there's a "send message" command and the response was something like "What did I expect trying to send a message to a whole universe" and it made me think of this video

proper verge
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msg: "Hello"

vital frigate
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Hello World Universe.

proper verge
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Hello . . . Game?

vital frigate
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s

rugged burrow
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I imagine would likely look like distortions in reality, with the simulation code not knowing what to do with it. similar to what we got in this video

safe matrix
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this does seem kinda weird tho don't you think

steady torrent
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wasn't this just teasing desolation

vital frigate
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When was that?

steady torrent
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and then gothalion was doing some streaming thing right after desolation

vital frigate
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Yeah, if that was before desolation...

safe matrix
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@steady torrent Why would he tease desolation amongst the likes of Next or Beyond tho

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Those updates referenced are the anniversary ones. Desolation wasn't an anniversary update, Sean didn't make his yearly blog post nor pin Desolation on his twitter

vital frigate
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Well, why would they release desolation as its own thing instead of including it in a bigger update, if there really was a bigger update coming soon?

safe matrix
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I believe he wouldn't have teased Desolation as the anniversary update

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anniversary update doesn't have to include a ton of stuff in one bunch

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It can have one specific feature like Desolation and then some smaller ones

steady torrent
safe matrix
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But it can be more impactful feature

proper verge
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maybe the reason they didnt release everything was because they didnt have everything ready due to COVID ?

steady torrent
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Anniversary updates are typically larger tho

safe matrix
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Nobody is saying it has to pile up content like Next or Beyond. They could literally have main key feature like generation or some other significant thing.

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1.2 wasn't huge but it brought a ton of gameplay enhancements and changes like the class system, vehicles, online bases and photo mode

steady torrent
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I think that tweet exchange was mostly just teasing that updates would be coming, which have: crossplay & now Desolation

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1.2 also wasn't around when the game came out tho

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And we saw Atlas Rises later that year

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With Beyond we've seen even more. Synthesis, Living Ship, Exo Mech.

safe matrix
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But this years stuff can just be separate updates tbh. Anniversary day update will probably be the juiciest one.

steady torrent
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So more than anything it is just a different cadence

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Whatever the case like I already said, I think that tweet exchange was primarily to do with them having stuff upcoming over the summer, as they have

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expect nothing, much better approach

safe matrix
ornate crater
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Yeah I kinda like their approach of randomly dropping small updates- theres no anticipation, just cool-new-stuff excitement

safe matrix
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Ye I guess so

rugged burrow
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Sean's comment in the desolation release notes didn't make it sound like there was one big update planned, it sounded like a few smaller updates like this

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We have several more significant releases planned for the year

vital frigate
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Yeah

karmic valve
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More can mean to things there

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Two

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Cause that can mean bigger or just numerous

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I dunno what you guys think

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It confuses me

steady torrent
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They consider Desolation significant and have several more like it planned

charred urchin
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props to @cedar smelt for that run down in the pins good job

rugged burrow
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"We have several more releases, the greatest releases coming. I mean I can't tell you how great, everyone is excited, I mean they are just so great it's almost unbelievable how great and big they are. People are really going to be impressed when they see"

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joking aside though, this is the only smaller release that I've felt was "significant". If there are more coming like that, that add gameplay and make technical changes, then maybe we'll get a NEXT or even Atlas Rises-sized amount of changes over the next few releases

zenith mirage
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What patch note was this quoted from? @rugged burrow

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If i may ask.

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oh yay im determined now

rugged burrow
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@zenith mirage the real patch note I quoted from was in the Desolation notes, at the end of it https://www.nomanssky.com/2020/07/no-mans-sky-desolation-release/

No Man's Sky
No Man's Sky Desolation Release - No Man's Sky

Hello, Being a small dot amongst the stars can bring a sense of awe and wonder, but we’ve always wanted to explore a little more those feelings of fear and dread that come from being alone in the depths of space. Terror in the face of the unknown, or the dawning realisation th...

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if you mean the other one that was just me channeling Trump. i felt dirty afterwards and had to wash my hands

zenith mirage
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nah, just this one haha

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thanks

rugged burrow
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no prob!

zenith mirage
junior flame
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@rugged burrow i think that's a stretch , look at how that line is written

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it's not "Several,more significant releases"

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its "several more significant releases"

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sean's not saying were getting bigger updates later in the year, they're simply saying were getting more of them

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several more to be in fact

rugged burrow
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how does that contradict what I said?

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I said we're probably getting more Desolation sized updates, not a big NEXT update

junior flame
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ok fair

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im just used to seeing people misinterpret that line as were getting "more significant" releases

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i do think we are getting a larger update at some point

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since the team seems to be split into 2 rn

rugged burrow
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i mean the idea around here lately is that this video hides some amazing ARG or something leading up to a huge anniversary update, but it seems pretty clear from what Sean is saying that we aren't getting that this year

junior flame
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one working on "more radical things" , another working on these small bits of content

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just basing off their announcement earlier this year

rugged burrow
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but what I was trying to say is that if these are Desolation-sized updates instead of say, Visions-sized updates, then we could get the equivalent of a NEXT, just that it will take the rest of the year to get all of it

junior flame
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i doubt these updates will be consistent in size

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but yeah

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like Living Ship i still think was tiny but good

rugged burrow
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well, yeah I guess it depends what Sean considers "significant"

junior flame
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probably any update with a name

rugged burrow
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well sure from a marketing POV, but i'm sure he knows some have not been that impactful

junior flame
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yeah but all things considered even if they didnt make much of an impact on the game

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they were significant releases,they added content

rugged burrow
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well I guess we'll just disagree on that then. but in any case this is kind of veering off of what this channel is for

junior flame
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i mean, nothings happening rn so

rugged burrow
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yeah i'm not sure there's anything left to look into tbh

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if we don't solve it and it was supposed to be solved as part of a marketing campaign, then I assume they will try to send out something more obvious

junior flame
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im hoping this means they don't release updates bimonthly anymore

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cause that third month did a lot for desolation lmao

plucky glacier
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i'm fine with whatever, as long as we get more cool stuff accordingly

junior flame
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i adore Desolation tho

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i keep joking that it was an update designed to shut me up

rugged burrow
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my only worry is there's no more big updates then we will never get big tech changes like a procedural/biome overhaul

junior flame
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i mean, my personal theroy is that theres a reason we haven't been getting any content that touches that whatsoever

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again, one group is working on bigger stuff, the other on these updates

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theres probably some overlap with some of the tech upgrades whatnot

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but they seem to mostly be seperate

rugged burrow
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if the big team won't even have a release ready this year that I'm assume they're probably working on a next gen version of NMS that may not even support current consoles

junior flame
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im assuming the reason 2/3rds of these have been space related is purely to prevent any accidental overlap

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thus screwing up development

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i mean, the big team DID have a release

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crossplay