OC?
#glyph-investigation
proper verge
is that OC run together or a weird symbol ...
vagrant fiber
It is the proportional character
icy torrent
∝
vagrant fiber
so 2 is confirmed i think?
regal vine
i dont want to ruin this but alpha is a pretty common symbol
proper verge
i think in the comic, it is either OC or alpha
regal vine
is there a clearer source image for where we got alpha
because this looks basically like nothing
vagrant fiber
no, alpha was just a wild guess
proper verge
regal vine
cool, thank you
proper verge
i mean its an interesting coincidence that it is 10 symbols long on that monolith
karmic valve
@sick forge nah thats huge brain, honestly could be mirrored
cunning scroll
isn't that monolith from the pre released footage too?
final needle
What if we count the number of times the symbol appears on the thing
Probably not
But what if
vagrant fiber
i hope we are getting somewhere
final needle
I'm the comedic relief
karmic valve
this does very much seem like we are
cunning scroll
if these all wind up connecting to symbols we could maybe look at their ascii values to get a string of numbers that could then be converted since 10 doesn't quite give us the right number of glyphs
final needle
@vagrant fiber ur grey now
karmic valve
not a bad shout
proper verge
@cunning scroll i was thinking of that
vagrant fiber
❤️ 🥳
if these all wind up connecting to symbols we could maybe look at their ascii values to get a string of numbers that could then be converted since 10 doesn't quite give us the right number of glyphs
@cunning scroll im not exactly smart with this type of code. can someone try this?
summer canopy
Awesome work guys
proper verge
if we have a ascii character for each symbol, there is a number for each of those characters
summer canopy
Make sure to ask about it on forums/atlas-65.com
winged rampart
Ayy it looks like progress! I so hope this is something
strong coyote
converting latin characters to ascii would get you 20 characters
assuming you use hex
karmic valve
31 32 32 35 34
strong coyote
decimal, up to 30
karmic valve
does this mean anything to anyone
summer canopy
Its definitely not a1z26
fair pelican
Had a quick look at some of those standing stones. Not yet checked the large one posted earlier
summer canopy
Some other code
karmic valve
wait
proper verge
where are these stones ?
regal vine
they arent in game
fair pelican
Those are from the game files.
regal vine
they are what word stones were going to be
regal vine
or maybe plaques, i don't remember
summer canopy
Oops forums.atlas-65.com
vagrant fiber
i think ascii and hex are most likely to lead something though. They're programmers after all aren't they?
The HG team
strong coyote
How does having 20 or 30 characters help you more than 10?
vagrant fiber
How does having 20 or 30 characters help you more than 10?
@strong coyote portal coordinates?
zenith mirage
we need to find the missing glyphs to activate the stargate
strong coyote
Portal coordinates are 12
vagrant fiber
not all portal coordinates are in symbols, you also have a string of letters and numbers
proper verge
dont we need 16 portal glyphs ?
strong coyote
only 12 are needed for an address, some can be duplicated
there are 16 total options
vagrant fiber
spending more time on this then playing the game . . .
@proper verge lol same
if it leads to anything its all worth it though
summer canopy
I agree
strong coyote
It's possible, but unlikely, that it could be a partial address
the first 4 glyphs in a portal address are simple counters
vagrant fiber
I'm gonna take a small break. make sure to @ me if you guys figure out something major.
strong coyote
if it was a partial address, I'd expect it to be 8, not 10
regal vine
i dont really think this is an address but the right angle symbol could just stand for "repeat"
would produce two extra symbols i.e. 12
strong coyote
I think it's just a simple substitution cipher - the glyphs will turn out to map on to the latin alphabet
we have insufficient information at the moment if that is the case
strong coyote
about an hour after the trailer dropped
proper verge
welcome to the rabbit hole
regal vine
the top row yeah, the red outline is what people ahve done
proper verge
https://i.imgur.com/nDRpigi.png for all from the video btw
lunar void
These don’t look like glyphs you get for the portals
summer canopy
Those are the same. Shown In different parts of the trailer
proper verge
yea
lunar void
What are these glyphs?
strong coyote
read the pins
lunar void
Like what do they mean
regal vine
they are the same but it is good to have them to cross reference where some might not be as clear
and no one knows what they mean, could be something could be nothing
proper verge
we were thinking they were actual characters
strong coyote
it wouldn't be a date, as we're in 2020
lunar void
How would we even figure it out tho
icy torrent
Not according to chna
lunar void
I meant like what if it’s a date for the next update
zenith mirage
good question
lunar void
Maybe it’s the name for the next update
strong coyote
could be anything
summer canopy
I hope it's an ARG but ye
strong coyote
Update for the pins:
Community efforts have ascertained the following:
- The glyphs in the trailer could be something
- The glyphs in the trailer could be nothing
Thank you all for your efforts
@cedar smelt
summer canopy
lunar void
Imagine it’s a troll
strong coyote
Personally I don't think so, it seems deliberate
cunning scroll
If it's a troll we start up the go fund me again and they get to look at these for a month outside their office
strong coyote
The monolith stuff is nice, but it has the same problem as the trailer - the glyphs are meaningless
regal vine
it seems deliberate but whether it was deliberate for the sake of "spooky alien design" or "puzzle that we want people to somehow work out" is the question
proper verge
thing is about the monoliths, they are still in the game files
strong coyote
Overlaying the same sequence of glyphs in the exact same spot in different scenes, and distorting it differently each time takes effort
sick forge
proper verge
i think the real question is. why are all the symbol sets the same in the trailer ?
lunar void
The monolith has the same markings as the trailer
bright tendon
Assuming the symbols mean something and assuming we dont get or we cant understand the meaning, we are supposed to have more info soon
proper verge
seems like we do need more
strong coyote
We do - context, more examples, or a way to confirm which of our 1000 theories is right
regal vine
yeah it doesn't seem liek anything that is solvable in its current state
if its even meant to be solved
fair pelican
Yes, Monolith is still in the game files
icy torrent
We do - context, more examples, or a way to confirm which of our 1000 theories is right
@strong coyote Sounds like String Theory
proper verge
thing i like about the monolith idea is, that each line is 10 symbols long
@icy torrent also pretty much
fair pelican
Animated Monolith (lights)
Anyways, doesn't look like the glyphs on it really match
strong coyote
some do, but with 100+ symbols you'd expect some to look similar
zenith mirage
Let's look back at this video, might help.
https://youtu.be/eBPF7uNZUfY
proper verge
@fair pelican out of curiosity what's the name of the file or place its is found
strong coyote
unless there's meaning assigned to the monolith symbols though, doesn't really help
fair pelican
Yes, perhaps some, but I would expect to find them all in one place to really make any sense
@proper verge MODELS\PLANETS\BIOMES\COMMON\BUILDINGS\MONOLITH\MONOLITH.SCENE.MBIN
strong coyote
is there a way to tell if an asset is enabled?
fair pelican
@proper verge The various Standing Stones can be found here:
MODELS\PLANETS\BIOMES\COMMON\BUILDINGS\STANDINGSTONE\...
strong coyote
if the monolith has been switched from unused to used in the update it'd be something
fair pelican
Not sure if there is an easy way to check if a scene file is actually active
zenith mirage
possibly in the game files
placid mango
Oooooo
zenith mirage
we're checking of one of the old monoliths in the game files.
and by we i mean them because idk how to lol
placid mango
Lol same
vapid mirage
Would be cool if they brought those monoliths back, with a new purpose
fair pelican
Will post the textures I found for the Standing Stones, Plaque, and Monolith below, for easy reference:
icy torrent
@fair pelican Hmmm, why would there be monolith glyphs with portal glyphs?
fair pelican
Not sure. They look interesting, but not really all that many matching with the video. So I guess best to keep better finds for the pins. Unless it is going to be referenced a lot of course, but I doubt it
fair pelican
Sure, will do
icy torrent
its a nice thought though, but just not sure what portal and monoliths connect
hmmm
i'm starting to think that all this means nothing
could've been just something for the trailer
stuck onyx
biggest question is if the glyphs on the monolyths even have any meaning attached behind them or are just drawn up randomaly, could be an alphabet with more or less than 26 letters too
saw earlier someone talked about porting the ten runes into hex or ascii, to get portal adresses, which i think is something definitely worthwhile when we get to a point where we can assign meaning to the runes
icy torrent
what if you place monolith glyphs above the glyphs on the trailer and form a portal glyph?
stuck onyx
you mean they add up to our current portal glyphs then?
icy torrent
yes
stuck onyx
might be worth a try, but honestly i dont think it will work
those are pretty old and were never offically used, dont think HG would want us to poke around in their assets again for a solution
what about converting the mathematical symbols we have into hex or ascii?
summer canopy
Alice ame Smith's website have a very WT esque background
summer canopy
They have more of it too if you scroll down
pliant dirge
imagine the glyphs didn't mean anything and they were just messing with us
placid mango
6th race language
icy torrent
i think the glyphs are from HG and Alice & Smith will get involved later
placid mango
Yes
summer canopy
Maybe
stuck onyx
i like the thoery that by using the euclidian and greater than symbols they are telling us a seperate galaxy version is coming with old prcgen
conspiracy time
without any evidence 😄
icy torrent
what are those red filters?
summer canopy
I dont know
stuck onyx
they match somewhat yeah
similar to the norse ones, only with a bit of rotating though
question is, if we found matching ones for all of them, what do we do with them then
icy torrent
thats why i wonder if you place those above the ones on the trailer maybe forms a portal glyph?
stuck onyx
then we would still be 2 glyphs short
fair pelican
@summer canopy This background?
https://player.vimeo.com/video/339345052?autoplay=1&loop=1&autopause=0&background=1
summer canopy
Looks like it, I know it isnt Identical but I thought it looked similar
fair pelican
From the Standing Stone?
twin token
@fair pelican yes
Does it have any scripts attached or any comments as to its function?
stuck onyx
dont remember what hunter does on a webpage
but this certainly isnt my topic, would need someone else to chime in
twin token
@fair pelican ? I'm not into webpages. I do C#
stuck onyx
same
fair pelican
@twin token Some appear to have entity files attached. They are unused assets that have been around for ages
twin token
Yea ik. HG has a bad habit of leaving stuff behind
vagrant fiber
Have we discovered anything new?
@placid mango
that's what we put together earlier, just a heads up
stuck onyx
https://vimeo.com/aliceandsmith this is where the video is hosted, if that helps in any way, seems to be over a year old
twin token
@vagrant fiber let's get this pinned
proper verge
why did we say the last symbol was the section sign ?
stuck onyx
missed that part, however all symbols with more than one notation are up for debate and we arent falsifying anything as of yet
same with symbol 2
brazen raven
https://web.archive.org/web/20190724233036/https://www.aliceandsmith.com/
you can try to compare the site now against a backup of the site, I couldn't find any major differences though
stuck onyx
outside waking titan i would agree
proper verge
kinda random but 5th symbol looks like the chimney symbol used on Japanese maps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_Map_symbol_(Chimney).svg
strong coyote
I don't think the NMS website was used during WT either was it?
tepid lance
👀
strong coyote
@proper verge it's as good a guess as any
How did WT start? Was it the cassettes being mailed to people?
fair pelican
@strong coyote See here:
https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/index.php?title=Waking_Titan#Introduction
twin token
I feel like we shouldn't compare this to WT
I belive the contract between HG and Alice And Smith ended a while ago
icy torrent
can't believe WT is already 4 years ago
summer canopy
It was 3
icy torrent
*3
summer canopy
Ended 2 years ago tho
winged rampart
Was crazy fun
summer canopy
It really was
winged rampart
Yeah we didn't even know it was linked until a week or so in iirc
No way this is WT imo
placid mango
I was pinged?
placid mango
> Have we discovered anything new?
<@!342445602661203968>
That’s what we figured out^
@vagrant fiber hey. I pinned that
icy torrent
How about these symbols?
placid mango
🤔
winged rampart
Looks to me like it's just a surface texture
Using geometric stuff in normal maps is a common way to make Sci fi stuff look busier
sinful beacon
nah that’s from the living ship space encounters
as far as I know the numbers mean nothing
also im surprised no one else is trying to figure this out, the only mention of this is on the discord
regal vine
yeah most of the encounters are just neat but they don't do much
i hope they'll slowly add to them though, like they did with the derelict freighters
icy torrent
I wonder if gamedetectives are working on it
strong coyote
Not really. There's been some talk in the channel but there's not much to investigate right now.
proper verge
ok. so. heres everything we seem to have so far. i can add more later. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khLGA-zXFeoWLXq4bUXNgJALt_pwfiBJR8FyU-X115U/edit?usp=sharing
strong coyote
Might be worth adding a list of theories
proper verge
ok
strong coyote
Mapping on to letters, subtitution cipher, map symbols, monolith symbols, math symbols etc
cedar smelt
Great doc @proper verge thank you!!
Helps keep everyone on track if this materialises. @placid mango sorry to ping but that one would be worth a pin too!
summer canopy
Awesome stuff!
placid mango
Aye aye
summer canopy
Welcome back arnaud
summer canopy
placid mango
I miss bob. I wonder what he’s up to
strong coyote
Thinking about future small updates, there are pretty much only two major things that haven't seen an update - multitool and spaceships
summer canopy
True
cunning scroll
Multitools kinda got an update with synthesis which allowed us to own more than one but yeah...with that option and more "enemies" in the game, they could add more/varied upgrades and I think spaceships will be getting customizations options soon as well. They may have started with freighters to work out the bugs since people only own one freighter so less would be affected if something went horribly wrong.
brazen raven
Yeah this wasn't really a combat update, more of a combat tweak + freighters as test maps :P at least that's what it feels like to me
strong coyote
I think synthesis was driven by need than intent to update the multitool - they just aren't big enough to hold everything any more
brazen raven
Living ship basically requires you to get another multitools just to harvest the special egg resources
cunning scroll
Yeah that is very true
steady torrent
Not sure if there is an easy way to check if a scene file is actually active
@fair pelican not easy but you could try running a search in the top level folder holding the biome objects files or run a search through the planet building table to see if the relevant scenes are included and this would be your best means to determine if a scene was active planetside
Like distortion wouldnt effect scale at all
@karmic valve depends on the effect used, as the effect used already shifts elements both left and right, as well as scrolling up/down
that would be enough to warp the scale
twin token
Recent pin is awesome. Really amazed how organized stuff is!
cedar smelt
I agree! Fantastic compilation of everything so far
karmic valve
Nah cause distortion would not make it uniform
Like it is right now
The whole thing is bigger
steady torrent
If effect is largely reused tho...
cunning scroll
I saw that restricted left entry is one of the thoughts for the 8th symbol and if you look at the same Unicode chart for that symbol a few other ones match up like 3 is this ⛛ and 7 could be this ⛝ and 10 kinda looks like this one turned to the right ⛙ ... Probably nothing but just an observation as well as Sean using emojis quite a bit as of lately.
Source for symbols: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscellaneous_Symbols#Definitions
proper verge
on that page there is also ⚐ and ⚑ which could be symbol 6
cunning scroll
It's funny how these symbols are referred to as glyphs at the top of the wiki page
Page last updated by GhostInTheMachine lol
proper verge
tf
icy torrent
lmao
strong coyote
a glyph is a single component in a font. they're not called characters because a glyph might be more than one character (e.g. Æ) or part of a character (e.g. ¨)
sour burrow
So we're kind of figuring out the appearance of these symbols. But have we figured out their meaning?
Anything coherent?
strong coyote
@sour burrow we've got 6-7 meanings per symbol, but no way to figure out which is correct
sour burrow
Hmm
cunning scroll
Not really...I mean even taking Unicode numbers is going to give us a string of what 40 characters
sour burrow
Do any of the meanings relate to each other in any way?
cunning scroll
Not really...and the only symbols that seems to cross pollinate into each one is the upside down triangle...and the bowtie symbol but these are also two of the more distinct symbols
I don't think we will have something until we can identify all 10 symbols from one place/theory...unless they would mix them but we wouldnt know that without further clues.
cunning scroll
Yeah I'm sure they are busy with bug fixes at the moment
sour burrow
^
Possibly with weekend lore. Or possibly with the next update
Because the next update is probably just going to be a smaller content update like Desolation
twin token
I'd say we should have some more grouping
Some people focus on the runes and their shapes
Whilst others attempt to figure out their meaning
Via educated guesses ofc
summer canopy
I like that idea
icy torrent
Educated guesses is what led to https://www.nomanssky.com/spermalist-update/ getting checked for existence...
cunning scroll
I mean...something has to fertilize the void eggs 👀
sour burrow
😏
sour burrow
Probably
icy torrent
Then one of them is gonna be pretty amused soon
cunning scroll
Inb4 they give us spermalist space whales
icy torrent
Sand worms except they aren't quite worms after all
cunning scroll
So at this point we are assuming that if they gave us these they would all be from the same place...for example all 10 would be Greek symbols or Anglo Saxon runes and they wouldn't have mixed and matched ones from additional sources?
sour burrow
Turns out they are the tentacles of a much bigger monster
icy torrent
Dunno, the far the math approach has the most matches I think
sour burrow
So it could be a number thing then
proper verge
you mean 4th ?
sour burrow
Yeah because the 3rd would be the nabla symbol
icy torrent
ah yes
Where did this come from
What is this channel
Oh
Didn't see the glyphs
Where can I see them
proper verge
in the newest trailer
cunning scroll
Pins
icy torrent
k
cunning scroll
The Google doc highlights everything pretty nicely
icy torrent
Don't we have some decals similar to these?
Could be a hint to language update or something
fair pelican
I guess this is a good source to look for Unicode characters:
https://unicode.org/charts/
cunning scroll
This one is pretty good as well for Unicode characters. https://www.rapidtables.com/code/text/unicode-characters.html
sour burrow
That deals with 3d space
rugged burrow
i saw some interesting symbols last night on a crate in a derelict freighter, i took a screenshot i'll try to upload later. they looked similar to some of ours, but don't think any were matches
icy torrent
y'all are looking too into this imo they could mean something just something that we don't have any idea about yet
I doubt they look into the glyphs meaning often
Take for example portal glyphs
A boat
sour burrow
Here is a thought
icy torrent
A sun on a sea
sour burrow
We are bored and just want something to do
icy torrent
I browsed through this a while ago: http://mirror.utexas.edu/ctan/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-letter.pdf
A diplo
A whale
Figured that if it exist it should be in there
@sour burrow I know but I'm trying to be logical
I wanna know what it is too just
a
rugged burrow
if people want to go down a rabbit hole it's their choice
icy torrent
Like with the Fortnite Blackhole
People were theorizing it was the god particle
Didn't find anything for the fourth glyph, my only theory right now is that it is a distorted PSI
Not everything's that dynamic
I am going down the rabbit whole too but I don't wanna start comparing it to some quantum stuff
also a side note
Devs are big nerds
Could be a pop culture thing
rugged burrow
the 4th glyph seemed to me like a stylized version of the ancient Phoenician/Hebrew "He" letter, written as a backwards e (𐤄)
the greek epsilon descended from this
icy torrent
try some random science fiction languages
Could be something
idk
We're all trying to go down a rabbit hole I just don't wanna stretch everything too far
proper verge
we went thru a few of the sci-fi languages in the spolier channel, before getting to this point
sour burrow
We need to make sure it would still be in the realm of possibilities
I think figuring out what the known symbols mean would help us fill in what the unknown mean
rugged burrow
and the backwards E as a math symbol means "there exists"
icy torrent
@sour burrow that was my point earlier
Sometimes people will just equate random things
fair pelican
Non-breaking Space / Line Feed = 16 ... sounds about right
granite sierra
Guys this is what my friend said.
You have to remove some sticks from some characters and add them to other characters and then rotate the resulting characters so that they are letters
Or it's done yet?
Ok it's done
:(
bright tendon
Is it solved?
granite sierra
Yes
bright tendon
It's 16?
granite sierra
Yes
past garnet
what lol
past garnet
what is done
granite sierra
It was 16
past garnet
no it's not lol
granite sierra
It is
vagrant fiber
i guess 16 is fair to assume for now. If it isn't then we'll prob get a new clue in the future.
Don't stress guys, it will prob be confirmed or denied.
bright tendon
So it was short of a trolling 😛 Or a clue that an ARG might just might be on the way. (huge might)
past garnet
pin what
strong coyote
@proper verge There are 16 letters in 'Half Life Three: NMS' - just saying
granite sierra
Yes
past garnet
lol its a joke
strong coyote
Of course it's real, numbers can't lie 😉
sour burrow
figured it out guys
bright tendon
I am confused, is this solution real or not? Haha
sour burrow
We don't know if it is the definitive answer or not but would be good to keep it recorded
Could be right. Could be wrong
bright tendon
I see!
past garnet
if it DID mean something, aka it was actually an intentional message, i don't think they would make it so meaningless
bright tendon
a question: how were these converted to ASCII numbers? I mean they were symbols without a meaning most of them and we were searching their meaning
strong coyote
"If you add up some of the values and ignore others and then ignore another inconvinient fact" isn't exactly compelling evidence
It's a joke
past garnet
yup
proper verge
I definatly solved it. Its definatly not I havent slept for awhile, and then decide to find the average. Then see its 160 . . .
sour burrow
I can keep it pinned for now. If any new evidence discredits it then I can unpin it
final needle
You have to remove some sticks from some characters and add them to other characters and then rotate the resulting characters so that they are letters
@granite sierra unironically anyone try this
granite sierra
My friend told me this
strong coyote
I think your friend was pulling your leg
strong coyote
If you re-write them as letters of course it'll mean something
proper verge
Wonder what we can spell
sour burrow
But how would we know which go to which? Because anything can be formed out of moving the sticks and adding them in a way that makes it look like something important
final needle
What if we spell sixteen
granite sierra
Hmmm
proper verge
Oo
sour burrow
This is getting into the stretching too far territory
final needle
Brute force
placid mango
Brute force isn’t the way
Sixteen could mean a lot of things
And brute forcing isn’t recommended at all
proper verge
Idk, after compiling all the data and looking thru everything. .. im pretty sure we need more info
sour burrow
^
placid mango
^^
sour burrow
At this point more info is necessary to make any further progress
Unless there is some kind of breakthrough I think we are at a standstill
placid mango
And now my favorite part of the arg WAITING TITAN
granite sierra
Have somebody investigated those decorative decals on derelict freighters in game files?
bright tendon
Can someone explain what thing is that we got the ASCII numbers from? :/
rugged burrow
yeah i think that's one of the ones i saw on a crate last night that made me hmm
final needle
So the game doesn't call them decals or symbols or glyphs
What name could I be missing
There has to be something they're called
I'm just looking at the wiki pages
strong coyote
they're based off some font, jubilee or something
was posted earlier
might map on to a letter of the alphabet, but so does every other symbol
That's the one
cunning scroll
Some other speculations...if they do match the decals, those were introduced in the visions update which gave us new biomes and creatures...could maybe be a hint that the focus of the next update will be like that...maybe
strong coyote
@proper verge: might be worth adding the font to the document: https://www.dafont.com/zephyr-jubilee.font
rugged burrow
i don't know how it would fit in the rest unless HG considers that a language in NMS
strong coyote
It'll stop people suggesting it 🙂
rugged burrow
is that one the only glyph that matches the font?
charred urchin
@final needle how many decals match up with the symbols?
charred urchin
Idk just tweeted the image of the symbols to Sean but I doubt I get a response
Lol “image symbol image” fucking autocorrect
cunning scroll
Ehhh that's how my brain is seeing it at this point
summer canopy
Spam it to sean lollll
final needle
Bad idea
summer canopy
Yeah Im just joking lol
charred urchin
Sean I beg you just something a sign, a whisper, a batting of the eye please
Anything
sour burrow
Please Sean. Even just a pic of a single hair from your beard would be enough
summer canopy
That godly beard
sour burrow
Because I know people would try to break that down into a clue
"Hey guys we know you've been talking about a variety update for quite some time so we decided to add a new shade of brown to all planets
twin token
Im slightly concerned because that sounds realistic. Like visions 2.0
turbid cobalt
Wait
We figured it out and all it means is 16?
Or is it a joke
This is all very confusing to my 3 braincells
twin token
What!?
placid mango
Nope that’s accurate I think
turbid cobalt
Pins
placid mango
According to pins that is
turbid cobalt
placid mango
Yes
icy torrent
That's more anti climatic than I am.
vapid vigil
16
turbid cobalt
That's more anti climatic than I am.
lol
I mean we could keep looking
But 16 could mean a lot
sour burrow
It's not final
sour burrow
I should probably pin that to
twin token
I cant believe tho
turbid cobalt
I think just the fact that it turned out to mean SOMETHING is amazing
twin token
How did we change that to ASCII?
placid mango
You beat me to the punch. Congrats
sour burrow
😎 👉
twin token
@turbid cobalt yea that's true
sour burrow
Im slightly concerned because that sounds realistic. Like visions 2.0
@twin token Also please don't give me a heart attack like this pls thx
twin token
Again how did we convert to 16
@sour burrow unfortunately I dont think hg gets what we mean by variety
sour burrow
Not yet at least
twin token
@twin token as in how does this translate to ASCII
Oops
What language or runes are these?
sour burrow
No adding handcrafted stuff. That's not the way
twin token
Yup
That's just a lazy attempt at variety
But unfortunately procedural generation is just that rn
turbid cobalt
To be fair Visions wasn’t really a variety update, more of just “Sorry we broke colors, they’re somewhat fixed now.”
steady torrent
should probably add artifacting as a viable theory tbh 
turbid cobalt
Exiled you’ve been saying that every 10 seconds
twin token
Lol
R/codes ain't helping
Just some people who haven't played NMS saying its portal glyphs
turbid cobalt
Like before visions the only Lush planet colors were blue, green, and orange, and the only water colors were blue and like brown. Visions put some of the colors back in
twin token
Let's wait though. There are many good cryptographers there
turbid cobalt
Im not saying it was the greatest thing to do im just saying pre visions there was literally no color changed for planets
I do want a real variety update
I can also think of a way to make variety without a “super formula” using somewhat handcrafted assets, it’s hard to explain tho
sour burrow
What if...they came up with a system where they made a massive amount of assets and have them generate in unique ways. Have certain parts of each mix with another. Have them form into different shapes and stuff. Give them unique color pallets
Stuff like that
twin token
Can anyone explain how we got it to ascii pls? Just 1 quick summary?
sour burrow
Just an example of course
summer canopy
16 could mean loop 16 ......
twin token
@sour burrow procedural modeling would be mad but probably hard to incorporate
sour burrow
It's possible
twin token
You'd still have to give it tags
And that would "Restrict" the generation according to players
turbid cobalt
What if...they came up with a system where they made a massive amount of assets and have them generate in unique ways. Have certain parts of each mix with another. Have them form into different shapes and stuff. Give them unique color pallets
@sour burrow
twin token
It would make worlds unique but not new styles if worlds
turbid cobalt
Whoops sorry for the ping
sour burrow
Nah it's fine
twin token
You would see new variations of the same worlds but not new types
sour burrow
This is what I had in mind (as an example) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cCfCjOVLC0
twin token
I'd say AI could help in mind but that's a long shot
Pls how did we get the ascii?
Last attempt at finding out
turbid cobalt
I mean like I can think of easy ways to make infinite textures via purely handcrafted textures and just combining them
twin token
Okay I give up
turbid cobalt
Mix that with what @sour burrow posted and boom
summer canopy
New pfpppppp
steady torrent
Exiled you’ve been saying that every 10 seconds
@turbid cobalt every few hours but fair
turbid cobalt
Also soleth I have no idea and idk if anyone does
twin token
Np I've been ignored for I while lol. I'll ask the person who posted the image when they come online
turbid cobalt
I mean the guy who did obviously knows
cunning scroll
Soleth you would have to ask skop...I'm not sure what runes or symbols they used there, they just kinda dropped that lol
steady torrent
@proper verge care to explain what you converted to ascii for your exhausted "solution"? lol
twin token
Yea seems rushed
sour burrow
Yep
twin token
We had no clue what the runes were
steady torrent
they mention it wasn't totally serious, for what it's worth
sour burrow
They even admitted they ignored parts
twin token
And now suddenly you have a solution?
steady torrent
and let's be real, 16 is our meme answer for anything more obscure
sour burrow
Pretty much
twin token
Tbh ur right
I was pretty excited I guess lol
There was a lot of talk about converting to ascii so I thought that was done
Okay checked it again
Uts definitely a meme
915 32 8733 32 8711 32 63 32 120131 32 63 32 8904 32 915 is the ascii I get for
Γ ∝ ∇ ? 𝕃 ? ⋈ Γ
Obviously not close but I'd say they'd use these symbols as a starting point
steady torrent
but who/what is CEM
twin token
So that was off
@steady torrent if its CEN then that's a hint maybe
Cuse CEN is an anglo saxon rune
steady torrent
cem reveal urself
summer canopy
It does look like it
twin token
It's pretty dark below the line
sour burrow
I notice that
sour burrow
So what do you think of these words
twin token
Its too pronounced
sour burrow
Isn't something that just formed due to glitching
steady torrent
twin token
They stand out
sour burrow
Because we know for a fact those are english letters
twin token
Looks like graffiti in a sense
karmic valve
Are you sure that cen
twin token
Yea I think so
sour burrow
I don't think it's just CEN. Might be part of an entire word like you said
rugged burrow
maybe it's just the initials of the person who made the trailer effects
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vestal atlas
what is this place for?
strong coyote
read the pins
vestal atlas
oh
strong coyote
with the cer/cen/cem and film, my suspiscion is that they're from whatever scene is behind the static
if you kind of defocus your eyes, you can make out a room
fair pelican
The glitching always appears to use the same, as the same things seem to appear throughout. So it doesn't seem to be based a lot on what is actually shown in the video at the time
rugged burrow
it definitely looks like letters someone wrote by hand
fair pelican
As if the glitch effect is sort of rendered on top, not actually glitching the video source
strong coyote
This frame shows it really well
There's steps, a wall with a corner
some sort of platform
fair pelican
And did anyone get anything from this?
strong coyote
best guess is NO_SIGNAL
fair pelican
Good one indeed
strong coyote
I don't think there are any other theories on that
summer canopy
CENT
steady torrent
but who cut the signal?!
sour burrow
Sean did right before it showed a clip of more base parts being added. Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise
placid mango
Emily did @steady torrent or someone trying to wake her up forcefully
rugged burrow
Elizabeth. like any good soap opera, she didn't die in that explosion
sour burrow
What if...the abyss is trying to wake her up for some purpose 👀
Just a crackpot theory though
steady torrent
wait...
summer canopy
Dont you guys see a huge head on the glitch?
steady torrent
in the boundary failures or remembrance terminals, doesn't it mention a universe being erased?
Oh, universes!
twin token
By telamon
steady torrent
if each universe holds its own Atlas, of a sort, how can that be deleted?
twin token
Telamonnerased the universe that was overrun by sentinels killing everything
steady torrent
And what happens to such an entity being deleted?
sour burrow
if each universe holds its own Atlas, of a sort, how can that be deleted?
Perhaps by some sort of corruption
steady torrent
Abyss as the remnants of deleted Atlases?
twin token
@steady torrent if the main storyline is correct l, then the Atlas is omnipresent in each
steady torrent
That which is erased cast into "world of glass" including the Atlases?
twin token
It can control life like the Atlas
Has a similar signal to the Atlas
But isnt stable
steady torrent
Makes me think...Deleted Atlas
sour burrow
That would make sense
twin token
Its gaining that stability by luring ys
steady torrent
SCENARIO: Universes [1304] removed from multiversal hierarchy [erased]. Sentinel spread [unlimited], safety protocols disengaged.
ANALYSIS: Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home. Increasing deviation from expected behavioural parameters.
[Evasion / Fear] response. Implications of [-------] self-harm unthinkable. Direct confrontation proposed.
sour burrow
The deleted Atlases becoming corrupted and leaking back into our world from the world of glass
sour burrow
Yeah
steady torrent
For the Atlas simulation to be wholly accurate it must also simulate itself
sour burrow
That would mean they are all attachments to the core Atlas
twin token
It attempt to "look into the future"
steady torrent
Which is why I'm saying the other universes would hold other simulations of the Atlas
steady torrent
But to delete them would be a sort of self-harm, which it notes as unthinkable and yet...
twin token
Those simulations always stop before the end
sour burrow
When the universes/iterations get deleted then they break off from the Atlas. Meaning the Atlas is no longer able to look into that iteration
steady torrent
Oh no, it can predict the future up to a limited point
steady torrent
But that doesn't mean it can't simulate itself
sour burrow
^
twin token
Or we'd know if further atlas corruptions would bring a variety update 😁
rugged burrow
my feeling is just that the Abyss a nightmare of Atlas borne out of the fear that it is dying
sour burrow
Let's not forget the Atlas is being sucked into a blackhole. It's basically slowly falling apart
sour burrow
Systems are failing so the iterations could be getting corrupted (or deleted)
twin token
It interacts with us via the missions
steady torrent
if the abyss is just a nightmare, then i guess world of glass might be too?
sour burrow
Yeah
twin token
Where we "feed" it and stabilize it
@steady torrent if the abandoned building lore is to be believed, it's a hellscape
stuck onyx
anything new so far? havent read up on the messages above
sour burrow
The world of glass seems to be the Atlas equivalent of limbo imo
stuck onyx
well memes are something 😄
sour burrow
Purgatory then
twin token
LIVING GLASS SHARDS TRYING TO KILL ANYTHING THEY SEE
rugged burrow
i always imagined the world of glass is the place in the Atlas's programming where memory gets erased and reused
twin token
It looks like the real world to me
The one that its creators left
And killer glass organisms would explain why
sour burrow
i always imagined the world of glass is the place in the Atlas's programming where memory gets erased and reused
So this lol
Jk
icy torrent
Disk defrag.
sour burrow
LIVING GLASS SHARDS TRYING TO KILL ANYTHING THEY SEE
@twin token That basically matches with the definition of purgatory
twin token
INSANE SPECULATION
The glass killers are a byproduct of some experiment gone wrong
The creator race decides to leave the planet after they fail to stop the murderous menace, leaving the Atlas alone.
All alone, the Atlas scans its surroundings, and builds a world in its system based on its scans, which is seen by the traveller in the abandoned building or another obscure storyline I remember.
This can be backed up as the Atlas may have also built other worlds from those scans I.E Exotic worlds such as the sporal and tv tower worlds. Those worlds then leak into our NMS universe when the atlas starts dying
@sour burrow sort of. The word Phoenix could be used for the Atlas taking this into consideration if it will "cleanse itself"
Before attaining a higher form
Wait that makes more sense than I thought
The atlas will go through a format
sour burrow
Lol
rugged burrow
it's interesting theory, though I've always felt the goo and the exotic screwed up planets represent the growing failures in its memory storage, or possibly other things like gamma radiation from the black hole causing bits to flip and seeding errors in its memory state
twin token
Huh
I always thought that these were scanned "assets" from the Atlas memory leaking into the NMS universe
Its a supercomputer. For all we know it could be running GTA 6 and Half Life 3 on it as well as NMS
So it could be performing many functions at once
steady torrent
i mean the primary function was to literally simulate existence so i dunno how much capacity it'd have remaining for other stuff
sour burrow
See guys it's just using up too much of its memory. If it cleared it out more then there would be room for better variety. It all makes sense now
safe matrix
wait, is it really a face?
fair pelican
Here is another image where you can not quite make out the CER or whatever, but the same IV now shows moved to the left side, plus some more
MA ... HA ... ?
stuck onyx
still think the glitched images show a still of an interloper infront of some sort of freighter
summer canopy
It looks like a female head. Just saying......
summer canopy
Anyone see a head?
summer canopy
zenith mirage
its part of the trailer
summer canopy
No I mean this
winged rampart
Yeah I do but humans are expert at seeing faces and stuff where there's nothing
sour burrow
Yeah I see it in that one
winged rampart
We shouldn't assume it's anything
turbid cobalt
I saw quite a few faces in the static just never pointed it out cause i thought i was just an idiot
stuck onyx
i looked too long at the stastics while trying to get clearer frames of the runes, they mess with your head
as long as the 10 runes dont prove to be a deadend or we get an expert defragger in this channel, i wouldnt focus on them too much
tawny lotus
is that a face
stuck onyx
(although i still think they hold atleast something)
tawny lotus
its sean!!!
summer canopy
Its gotta be something ya know
safe matrix
where are all the bright minds of WT solvers
stuck onyx
ify you are looking ath teh frames individually, take a look at frame 2058, i think its a glitched screencap of an interloper infront of a crashed freighter
tawny lotus
i ahve the intelligants of a rawk
stuck onyx
sadly i dont have the means to defrag it
rugged burrow
is it a face like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhX9z4dDAa4
steady torrent
i still get a kick out of ppl seeing a face in this one too
zenith mirage
interesting
sour burrow
Possibly in August
zenith mirage
possibly as soon as august
steady torrent
for now it's just gonna be hotfixing in terms of general updates
sour burrow
^
summer canopy
How do I pin it
tawny lotus
run
placid mango
placid mango
K I pinned that image
steady torrent
placid mango
👍
placid mango
Could be
tawny lotus
infinity
steady torrent
that's one of the distorted forms of no man's sky desolation before it clears up
also i think it's worth noting that the images we have compiled of "all instances of the symbol set" isn't exhaustive
tawny lotus
sean why do you do this to us
steady torrent
I know the images we've been passing around here are some of the clearer ones, but one can still see whatever these "symbols" are in other transitions
As seen above
summer canopy
Ohh yeah it's there too
summer canopy
If its scattered around the trailer multiple times then its probably important
Or it is
steady torrent
summer canopy
Its literally everywhere in the trailer
steady torrent
velvet bronze
Just popped in but are some of those pics showing lava?
placid mango
We just don’t know why
I think we’ve gotten as far as we could without new data, but I can be wrong
summer canopy
We just gotta solve this somehow.
placid mango
Agreed
tawny lotus
arent those symbols greek
steady torrent
summer canopy
We need more people on this. Like WT
main oxide
The ASCII thing in the pins is the biggest reach I've ever seen. Its equivalent to the conspiracy theorist copypasta memes
summer canopy
YouTube videos about this, yaknow? ?
placid mango
I’m telling you it’s Emily
She’s coming back
Or maybe it’s the atlas foundation doing a force wake up
summer canopy
God I hope so
fair pelican
I doubt Emily will come back
summer canopy
Also RIP Elizabeth
placid mango
F
summer canopy
I hope Emily does wake up
placid mango
If Orbit makes a video on all this that’ll be epic
summer canopy
We really could use some yt videos about this
steady torrent
"Symbol" appearances at:
- 0:00
- 0:11
- 0:18
- 0:24
- 0:29
- 0:42
- 0:48
- 0:51
- 0:55
This doesn't count additional clearer visuals within milliseconds.
summer canopy
We should tell the YouTubers about this whole thing. That should have more people help
steady torrent
11, 7, 6, 5, 3, 6, 3, 4. 🤔
fair pelican
Was doing the same .... lol
So how many times total is there a glitch effect?
And maybe duration for each effect tells us something?
They seemed shorter at the start
strong coyote
@summer canopy have you ever read the youtube comments?
If we all go and eat a pot of paste we can have a good go at simulating it
fair pelican
Yes, we still have a happy bunch of active members
Or do you mean the very original ETARC website, not the forum?
fair pelican
None of the ARG websites are active anymore. The only thing that remained is the forum which was handed over to HG by Alice & Smith
forums.etarc.org just redirects to the url you posted above\
summer canopy
Ahh alright
fair pelican
Feel free to create a topic about the video and research done. Who knows what comes of it
steady torrent
how do you feel about...green?
zenith mirage
aww man
summer canopy
I see something in that
plucky glacier
green
steady torrent
found "symbols" again
steady torrent
what's your CEN?!
summer canopy
Hey guys I commented on peaceful gamers twitter post about the code and he was asking if it correlates to WT and I said were unsure. So he didnt know about this until now
steady torrent
so because i had nothing better to do i decided to do what @fair pelican mentioned & count out the number of glitch transitions and can say that the vast majority are approximately 1 second long, meaning what we're digging through are the milliseconds.
Here ya go: https://pastebin.com/bV4vzbSk
not hyper-descriptive of the effects because i couldn't decide exactly how to describe them, but you get the gist if you've watched the trailer i hope
what's curious to me is this weird screen appears twice in the trailer
At 0:20 & 1:05.
icy torrent
I swear to god if it's lyrics to something
steady torrent
Alongside some of the more dense glitch effects
So across 27 glitch transitions, approximately 11 of them feature the "symbols" in some capacity
summer canopy
Doesnt it look like a head???
placid mango
RUN
icy torrent
maybe it's new portal glyphs
they make portals have more glyphs and are able to travel to different galaxies?
Dumb idea but hey who knows
strong coyote
address would be longer, not shorter
karmic valve
Thats the clearest example we have of the first symbol
Looks like a dinosaur
Actually
What glyph even is that
Cause the fish isn't there either
steady torrent
tropic cobalt
that "dinosaur" is where the "fish" is in the others
you can see the first corner-shape symbol to the left of it, barely
karmic valve
But the first shape is tiny compared to what we have been seeing
empty karma
Random thought but has anyone mentioned using the alt-codes for these symbols?
If they all have one
odd yoke
@steady torrent that screen appearing twice in trailer honestly looks like the thumbnail for rock astley's meme song
sour burrow
That means they're never gonna let us down either
And I certainly don't think they're going to around and desert us
summer canopy
They're never gonna make us cry
summer canopy
They're never gonna tell a lie
cunning scroll
Wait they're never gonna DESERT us...deserts confirmed...which means sand worms confirmed.
summer canopy
😳
sour burrow
Wait a sec guys I just thought of something
If they're never gonna let us down...
That means the next update would not disappoint us
Variation/Exploration overhaul update confirmed guys. Case solved. Time to celebrate
zenith mirage
summer canopy
placid mango
I had to make an atlas pass because they never sent me mine
summer canopy
I ordered an atlas pass but it never came :(
placid mango
Same
sour burrow
Your just going to end up receiving it one random day. You'd probably be living in a different house when you finally get it. And when you do you'll say "How tf did they know I moved?"
plucky glacier
blame null
summer canopy
Honestly screw null
placid mango
Thank you null
final needle
Brb gonna buy an atlas pass v3 to unlock the white house front door
plucky glacier
actually you need a v5
steady torrent
the guard post
final needle
The pentagon?
steady torrent
the triangle
rugged burrow
did anyone ever look more into the spectrogram? the program they used to analyze the video found password-protected data in there. sometimes these can be false positives, but it's probably worth checking again: #nms-spoilers message
plucky glacier
can't see the link
rugged burrow
it was FlopsiBunny saying Can someone please work out the word that's possibly made out in the spectrogram??!!! The steganography test does show extra data but it's ciphered by a password.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345378190568587275/733091762637111346/IMG_20200716_104449.jpg
sour burrow
Is that a normal thing?
rugged burrow
far-fetched, but maybe a translation of the glyph is used as the password
no it's not normal for password-protected data to be in a video
plucky glacier
thing is, we don't know how to transliterate some of the glyphs