You don't want to abandon Steamworks, Steam Remote Play, Steam Workshop, literally everything that makes steam the beast it is today?
#other-games
winter yew
cinder vessel
yeah same with other storefronts. So far I'm seeing the usual stuff discounted which is cool, but was curious if anyone else had been digging through them
winter yew
It's just another store after all.
cinder vessel
I mean I make use of GOG & Itch besides Steam personally, because nearly every other storefront tends to include some bullshit DRM or aren't clear about it
Like Microsoft Store is notorious for shitty DRM & Epic just isn't transparent about it at all
winter yew
Literally every shitty fkn randy pitchford etc forgets, that steam is not, in fact, just another store.
cinder vessel
why are you going on a weird pro-monopoly rant, lol
winter yew
They can very well lose another dev like wolfire, cause there will be many others willing to replace them. Steam is simply a better platform to worth both on, and with.
pro-monopoly? Dunno about that.
But hearing all these stupid idiots claim, that "steam's just another store".
That's just factually wrong.
and I feel Wolfire portrays that very well.
They know that, that's why they think they can change margins at home, cause they know they'd be losing on literally everything steam offers if they'd just ditch it for micro/epic.
ESPECIALLY, when their shitty tech demos rely so heavily on Steam Workshop. :D
cinder vessel
their argument is primarily that valve/steam is anti-competitive in its policies, lol
winter yew
Oh I'm sure that's what's this is all about. Poor poor devs. True beacon of hope, true heroes finally stepping out to evil steam and their anti-competitive policies
cinder vessel
okay we get it you just don't like this random indie dev
cinder vessel
because wanting a better revenue cut is so terrible?
winter yew
especially if all they have in their portfolio is 3 tech demos and a rather neat game.
1 of which relies heavily on steam workshop, cause it's just a giant ass playground, and it's been kept alive for the past 4 years thanks to dev organised "map jams", aka players making content.
winter yew
because wanting a better revenue cut is so terrible?
Cause 70% of sales still goes to them. It's the sales themselves that have been rather lacking I feel.
Wonder why that is. Oh, you've been making one game for 10 years, then riding off of it for another 4? I wonder why is that.
cinder vessel
so again you're going to disregard their point just because you don't like them, cool
winter yew
And you're going to shit on everything I've been typing cause you don't like steam. Coolio as well.
cinder vessel
No, I'm just not seeing you even acknowledging the validity of their points because you dislike them, and while I'll grant you Steam is more than a storefront, that doesn't make its policies any more defensible.
This is like defending Apple's App Store monopoly because it makes some neato platform interconnections through its devices
winter yew
You have literally the best possible tools on the market, the most recognition, been here the longest for a fkn reason, I feel you have every right to charge whatever the hell you please.
cinder vessel
Well I don't find that a valid argument whatsoever, lol
winter yew
and seriously, if you don't like said terms, you force devs to "artificially bump prices up", devs are more than welcome to use one of several other storefronts as well.
Notice "as well" too, cause nothing forces anyone to exclusivity.
cinder vessel
Except apparently you'll get harassed for only releasing on other storefronts if you have any passing popularity
winter yew
But eh, steam bad I get it.
cinder vessel
And if you do run on Steam, you can apparently get tied into agreements forcing you into certain pricing arrangements
raven frost
🍿
cinder vessel
Honestly I just don't see why you're so defensive of Steam, lmao
They have like, hundreds of millions of dollars, they don't even need you
(Billions maybe? I dunno)
winter yew
OR, devs like wolfire. :D
austere lance
Defo billions
winter yew
I just found the story funny and neat.
How they just won't ditch steam, but will try their best to again "eat cake and have cake".
cinder vessel
Well I appreciate you sharing it because I'm glad to see more pushback against Steam, because apparently free market competition, as noted in the article, isn't doing the job
In part because of weirdo Steam loyalists
winter yew
it does kinda blow that my launcher library in few years is going to surpass some of those launchers game libraries.
As for loyalism, I'm usually going with the cheapest platforms. Used my 40pln code on World War Z, paid like equivalent of around 3 dollars on epic.
cinder vessel
With the right tools, you can adjust your games to run through your preferred launcher & only that launcher, so there's always that 😏
winter yew
Bought several ubisoft titles as well, cause uplay codes are miraculously much cheaper than steam ones.
So dunno about that.
cinder vessel
Yeah i'm not singling u out, just the weirdos mentioned in the article
winter yew
Got Satisfactory on epic too, but that was mostly cause shitty exclusives. Plus got another code, so it was like basically 50% off.
cinder vessel
wait wtf, why is Little Hope in the Golden Week sale, lmao
That's not Japanese
winter yew
Oh yeah been browsing that list, and the further you go the funnier it gets.
there is some good stuff there tho, true. like chrono trigger, Death Stranding, Yakuzas, Personas, Nekoparas if you're into that.
Also Evil Within 2, 1 I think too, dunno how japanese these are.
Jedi Fallen Order as well, Automata, but that's to be given.
Disco Elysium 20% off, dunno if that's part of japanese week.
Don't think so, cause it ends in 12 hours.
cinder vessel
Chrono Trigger is the bad port tho I think
winter yew
Steam do be like that ye. It does suck with its ports mostly.
cinder vessel
Evil Within 1/2 are mainly there since Res Evil dude worked on them I'm p. sure
winter yew
That's when steam forums come to help. Epic? HINT HINT?
Seriously, lack of forums is what still makes me chuckle.
All these EA titles relying on steam forums to gather feedback. That or third party sites.
cinder vessel
random reminder that killer7 was ported awhile back:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/868520/killer7/
I mean the Steam forums are also notorious for being terrible, so
winter yew
Mostly due to lack of moderation I feel, ye.
Or too much moderation. In the hands of devs as well. :D
Aka that situation's in the hands of devs I mean. Gotta either ease the belt a little, or tighten it up.
cinder vessel
or just not bother, lmao
winter yew
Or that, then it's open season. :D
cinder vessel
Also I know I mentioned R-Type Dimensions EX earlier, but also on sale atm is the classic, Ikaruga:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/253750/Ikaruga/
winter yew
oh bayonetta's 75% off.
loads of dynasty warriors games, heard they're fun.
Katamari Damacy apparently is on steam as well.
All RPG makers are on sale, wonder if that'll have some impact on new steam releases in the following weeks.
oh okami's 50% off.
can wholeheartedly recommend.
cinder vessel
Dynasty Warrior games are hit or miss, gotta do some digging to figure out which to get
the more recent ones are notably lesser according to folks that follow the series
austere lance
Okami 😌
cinder vessel
huh, not sure about the quality of these, but cool to see some Japanese indie horror titles:
https://chillas-art.itch.io/
wha...what have i found here, lmao
https://store.steampowered.com/app/785780/OF_MICE_AND_SAND_REVISED/
austere lance
Wtf 🤣
winter yew
Yo it actually looks kinda fun.
Like Skyshine's Bedlam, only you know. Good, maybe.
Ehh. Apparently it has problems with micromanagement.
cinder vessel
according to random folks probs, could be fine for you or me or anyone else tho
Little King's Story is also on sale atm, it's maybe the closest to Pikmin you'll find on other platforms
The reviews are mainly from before they patched it to play better on PC
cinder vessel
i don't think i'll ever fully understand this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kv9a9/pokemon-cards-psa-cgc-bgs-turnaround-times
in a certain sense you could say a children's card game is being plundered by gambling adults trying to strike some small fortunes
keen dome
finite hazel
tl;dr: new cpu vulnerabilities found, both amd/intel seem to be affected, mitigation techniques that will need to be applied will probably have a much bigger performance hit than the mitigation techniques already in place for the older spectre vulnerabilities
dry copper
TL;DR: Don't do business with countries that create viruses aimed at destroying basic consumer infrastructure.
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in a certain sense you could say a children's card game is being plundered by ga...
A perennial problem with children's collectibles
Adult collectors are rarely content to let kids collect them
winter yew
Crescent Moon Games has decided to make their own spin on whatever genre Factorio is lol.. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1268360/Trashed/
bronze wind
@cinder vessel world of horror has a sorta similar art style to the japanese horror thing you linked, it's pretty good
willow crypt
silver sparrow
I didn’t know that lonely island made games
cinder vessel
huh, look, a game with local multiplayer:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/523660/HYPERCHARGE_Unboxed/
long mural
Whoops, made a goat
willow crypt
I didn’t know that lonely island made games
yeah
idle saffron
How about a zugs game?
willow crypt
coming soon to an arcade near you
idle saffron
Nice!
charred badge
Whoops, made a goat
Too bad the 3ds mii maker kinda sucks
long mural
This ain’t the 3DS one, this is on the switch
Playing the Miitopia demo on the Switch
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Playing the Miitopia demo on the Switch
...I know. That's why I said "too bad it isn't."?
long mural
Oh
austere lance
Really good Souls players are alright, but top tier Sekiro players are an entirely different fuckin breed
https://youtu.be/mcdkexoJeDQ
austere lance
@echo hill How am I supposed to win in Slayer if my teammates are this bad 😭
austere lance
😭
echo hill
Hahaha oof soul
echo hill
<@232647300424400896> How am I supposed to win in Slayer if my teammates are thi...
Earlier I went 30 and 3 and my teammates each had like 4 kills
austere lance
Randos in H5 give me gray hairs
cinder vessel
this video is a trip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhulaUqpWPQ
austere lance
God that game is such shit 🤣
cinder vessel
i would love to see them patch it up tho tbh
the art direction is so fuckin' interesting
but it's probably gonna go down like Left Alive where everyone shits on it so much it's lucky to even get two post-release patches
austere lance
It's not a patch issue, the actual game loop and gameplay themselves are trash
cinder vessel
man, i missed how the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles remaster was apparently a bust
charred badge
Really good Souls players are alright, but top tier Sekiro players are an entire...
Now see top tier dmc players
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<@232647300424400896> How am I supposed to win in Slayer if my teammates are thi...
Cast Dragon Slave
willow crypt
charred badge
Still one of my favorite invocations in media
https://youtu.be/r1U9ESUBpmA
A rather goofy series, except the main character has a pocket nuke and it isn't played for laughs
... usually
fervent fog
It looks rather questionable imo but I'm not gonna ask
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It looks rather questionable imo but I'm not gonna ask
It's one of the earlier dnd-ish anime
fervent fog
I do see that artstyle quite often in earlier animes.
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I do see that artstyle quite often in earlier animes.
I mean, yeah?
I suppose I have to ask what part you're questioning about it. :nosympLUL:
fervent fog
first of all the name... Dragon Slave.
Second of all, although very commonly seen in a vast majority of animes, the 3-year long windup for the attack, followed up by the excessive effect of said attack
thorn dawn
The most anticipated crossover event in history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4stVVsKVRA
charred badge
first of all the name... Dragon *Slave*.
Second of all, although very commonly s...
I did say it's my favorite invocation.
And it's a wizard casting a nuke. Of course it has a windup.
That's why she has a party to distract the victim
willow crypt
i just showed compassion towards a mailbox and it healed me ❤️
charred badge
Wow, I plugged in my ethernet adapter and the star citizen updater managed to not error out
astonishing progress!
winter yew
nice
thorn dawn
austere lance
@echo hill I've established that using Expanded matchmaking in H5 is how you find all the glue-eaters and get 15+ kills, lol
austere lance
In basic 4v4 Slayer???
austere lance
For everyone hyped for RE 8.....sorry not sorry 
https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil-resident-evil8-flo-progressive-funny-gif-20397806
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Shocker
thorn dawn
I don't expect to open youtube and be personally attacked.
cinder vessel
B
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@thorn dawn what about facebook ads
idle saffron
Oh sweet, metaphysical dystopia, my favorite kind
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The giant text is particularly offensive to netgoers of an older vintage 
thorn dawn
I just lost the game
charred badge
same
silver sparrow
THE
SAME
arctic sparrow
game's been over for several years now
winter yew
Ace Combat is cool 😎
thorn dawn
Pretty scummy by Sony, but let's not pretend Epic were doing anyone a favour here - as they've proved with Apple, the only thing that motivates them is extracting more money from Fortnite
The fact Epic were willing to make such large concessions highlights just how much money they thing that they can still squeeze out of fortnite
austere lance
The Fortnite part doesn't bother me as much as the second tweet
thorn dawn
Depends on the context - who does that tariff apply to?
If it's games Sony has funded or invested in, seems fair to me.
Also depends what it applies to - if they're just taking a cut of e.g. cosmetics sales, again that seems fair
austere lance
austere lance
LMFAOOOOOO
willow crypt
nuuh!
silver sparrow
ripped zug
idle saffron
Yeah
silver sparrow
swole zug with the cuts
minor turret
@glacial ridge this
minor turret
The flying things
glacial ridge
Yeah... That's what I sent a pic of
minor turret
Exotic planet? I don't know what is this 😅
idle saffron
That picture you sent is one
minor turret
So it's an exotic planet 🤔, thanks for this information!
thorn dawn
Epic spent $11,000,000 in 2019 with a return of just 5 million users
Not sure which side of the trial presented these numbers, but it makes the apple tax seem like a real good deal
glacial ridge
5 million users or 5 million dollars
thorn dawn
5 million users
bronze wind
that's data i'd be more interested in seeing
numbers like these mean basically zero without other context
thorn dawn
Sure, but it's pretty well documented among developers that iOS and Mac users are more willing to pay for things by an order of magnitude
There we go, found the number for apple
$2.04 per user
Epic's free game campaign, $2.37 per user
So Apple are providing a 14% better return
glacial ridge
Is that how much they spend or how much each user needs to spend to even out
Your saying lots of numbers
thorn dawn
How much epic spends to acquire each user
glacial ridge
Without explanation
bronze wind
it's how much they spent per user over a year of making deals with devs, based on the data in the pic. I'd be interested to see actual totals of users before and after, especially for more recent data, not for 1.5 years ago
bronze wind
ya i don't expect to see it lol
but it's hard to make any sort of assumptions of anything based on older data that leaves out so much important context/data
thorn dawn
The takeaway is, if apple are providing a better ROI than their own marketing campaigns
And the usual pattern of iOS users being bigger spenders holds
They've got a fucking mountain to climb if they want a court to force apple to cut the fees to 15% or lower
bronze wind
i feel like it would be weird to specifically target their free games campaign given that they literally own the engine that a giant amount of AAA games use these days. You'd think that would be the larger income chunk as well as any transactions via fortnite
thorn dawn
Well, this is apple running the case at the moment
They're gonna be cherry picking the information that makes them look best
Epic will do the same when it's their turn
bronze wind
yea of course, i just don' tsee how it would be a mountain to climb to point that out, given their other massive revenue streams. but at the end of the day it's just two massive companies trying to get percentage points out of the other
even if Epic wins I can't see it being a broadly applicable policy for Apple, they might just make an exception
thorn dawn
Because, the principal of a civil court case is to make you whole following a wrong
Not to improve your own standing
The court isn't permitted to require Apple to do anything that makes things better for Epic - just if Apple are found to be in the wrong, to remedy that wrong
So if Epic are benefitting from the relationship in real terms, it's going to be extremely difficult to prove that their business is suffering
But they must think they're onto something otherwise they wouldn't have filed
(Not having as much money as they'd like is not a wrong, either - else I'd just sue my bank cause the savings interest rate isn't 1000%)
bronze wind
i haven't been tuned into this in a while but from what i remember there were some discrepancies somewhere that Apple had an explanation for
it was a pretty shitty explanation but I imagine it sufficed as "fair" lol
thorn dawn
Personally I do wonder if they were hoping that apple would just cave
Or they'd win in the court of public opinion
Turns out, Epic aren't seen as the plucky outsider now they're turning over more money than almost any other studio
Whodathunkit
bronze wind
it is annoying cause the idea of cutting the store costs is good but unfortunately the only people that have the money to fight it don't really have strong grounds to stand on because they have the money lol
thorn dawn
If game developers hadn't set the new price of AAA games at £50 a pop I'd be inclined to agree
The whole system is due a shakeup
But as long as people keep on forking over cash for VBucks it won't happen
austere lance
$70 AAA games cause me pain 💀
bronze wind
in an idealist world you could say they only raised the price due to high percentages going to the stores but we all know they'd still do it even if the costs went down lol
just would be nice to make it a little better for indies and smaller devs
don't realy care about the health of the AAA industry but unfortunately they're usually the ones dictating the market
thorn dawn
The real insult for me is that paying the £50 doesn't even get you a whole game any more
It's more like £100 once the DLC is accounted for
But people keep paying it
Myself included
bronze wind
depends on the franchise but in a lot of cases yea. i just have slinked slowly away from AAA stuff outside of some things I know I enjoy regardless. like zelda and some others i can't even think of lol
austere lance
I rarely pay full price for stuff, usually I cheat and get $20 or whatever knocked off of it through Microsoft Rewards. Tho I uh, may have pre-ordered Mass Effect Legendary Edition from Best Buy for the steelbook 😆
thorn dawn
Total revenue for epic was $5,100,000,000 in 2020
that puts them a few percent behind EA
88% of that, fortnite
Only 7% of EGS users have paid for something
EGS has 20mm users
just trying to figure out how they define mm
mm is latin for million, who knew
fortnite had 81,000,000 active users in 2020, so if EGS has only 20,000,000, that means more than 75% of their users come from iOS, Android or console - again, a hard sell that apple's stance is harming them
epic overestimated their 2019 revenue by nearly 50%
glass plinth
Honeslty, with the cost to develop franchises, I wontbe surprised to see games cost 100 for a triple A game by 2030.
I mean it makes sense. The assets they are making are drastically more time consuming to create, as are the environments, the tools, the engines.
Then you have to factor in inflattion.
Though with the quality of smaller studios increasing, as baseline tools get better and better, I have very few AAA games anymore.
wet warren
I've just been enjoying a lot more indie games since they tend to have a lot of cool concepts and visuals imo
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fortnite had 81,000,000 active users in 2020, so if EGS has only 20,000,000, tha...
mm is also millimeters, which may be able to measure how little I care about egs financials 🧑🚒
idle saffron
Too much stuff I'm twitching
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Too much stuff I'm twitching
It is a very flashy game, haha
idle saffron
I no hud almost every game I play (at least usually) I just can't process all that for long periods
charred badge
how do you not die?
idle saffron
Lol
Who says I don't?
For shooters, you get in the habit of reloading often, for nms it doesn't matter much - and some games do unobtrusive overlays that don't bug me, like a little compass, or minimap
floral crane
Snow says hi.
Snow might be pregnant with Ash's kittens. Bet they'll be adorable.
Will try to remember sending pics in 2 months if she is pregnant.
Also have Bo.
And Gizmo.
idle saffron
Adorable
willow crypt
random thought: I kinda hope Biomutant isn’t too heavily focused around big enemy fights
i hope it’s just a part of the experience. games focused on bosses are repetitive and make me want to quit
lol
idle saffron
From the little I've seen it seems like it won't be
idle saffron
I'm interested
austere lance
Dragon Quest Builders 2 is on Game Pass
charred badge
what about dragon quest joker
thorn dawn
nobody:
no-one at all:
netflix: https://twitter.com/NetflixGeeked/status/1389218281706254336
Twitter
austere lance
I watched the first episode of DOTA and it was surprisingly decent
Has some good talent behind it
I'm not huge on anime in general tho, maybe anime fans think it's shit 😆
austere lance
.....well that was unexpected
A lot of the reviews are people who don't know dick about DOTA and thought it was just a fun anime 😆
willow crypt
lol
austere lance
Can vouch, I've never touched DOTA in my life and thought the first episode was fun Fantasy stuff. Kinda felt like Castlevania
And the lead writer was one of the writers for Fringe 🤣
cinder vessel
was watching videos about a kickstarter scam, and skimmed this dude's channel only to find this gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj09RN9WQJE
daring spear
Gonna make this dino zoo pretty
cinder vessel
dinodinodino
fervent fog
was watching videos about a kickstarter scam, and skimmed this dude's channel on...
i hate that i recognise the character in the thumbnail
played too much of that shitass game
silver sparrow
poobutt
balmy plaza
Faeces Derriere
silver sparrow
fancy!
dry copper
You know those kids that sing adult songs like they're for kids, which makes it look highly inappropriate?
Here's the natural consequence to that
Adults singing childrens songs like they're serious
winter yew
Way too much auto tune to be enjoyable, i turned it off after 30 seconds
sleek cloud
like that for most mainstream shite
shadow tartan
austere lance
I redownloaded Kingdoms of Amalur cuz the remaster is shit and I want nothing to with it, lol. Gonna see if I can get into the original
bronze wind
do you own the remaster?
idle saffron
@crystal gyro i was getting into it, but weird quest bugs and cutscenes and crowds were pretty bad on my old Xbox - I haven't jumped back on it with the new one
cinder vessel
i own the ip tbh @bronze wind
austere lance
do you own the remaster?
Hell no, be arsed with paying $40 for a resolution and texture boost
bronze wind
nice please make a sequel
cinder vessel
ok bbiab
bronze wind
and ok was just asking cause i saw a couple people online who were like "i own the remaster but playing the original to spite them" as if they care lmao
makes sense to get it if you haven't played the original but otherwise nah
austere lance
Ew, fuck rewarding lazy remasters
crystal gyro
<@553494575046590465> i was getting into it, but weird quest bugs and cutscenes ...
Yeah, im with @thorn dawn on this. The state of the 2 games following the same timeline, NMS actually had a content release, not just bug fixes. I hear a lot of complaints on CP77 is the content is also just shallow with no real outlook for improvement
thorn dawn
<@553494575046590465> i was getting into it, but weird quest bugs and cutscenes ...
Was the same for me on PS5, 3 minutes into the game the guy reaches into a car engine and clips his hands through a bundle of wires, pulls out a janky looking wire, and plugs it in somewhere else, texture unchanging
I noped out
idle saffron
I made it through more than that, but the result was the same, I couldn't take it
crystal gyro
People keep wanting it to have a "NMS comeback," but that would need some kind of precedent for new content
thorn dawn
I'm sure it'll be good to play, but I want to experience it without the jank
bronze wind
they'll probably just add a DLC with another character arc that requires you to either replay the entire game to experience in a way that makes sense or will be so disconnected from the main game that it feels off
idle saffron
I wanted to love it, as I think it's the closest thing to a decent shadowrunner game I'll get
crystal gyro
anthem was the same
Yeah, sad one that. That game looked so awesome and promising
idle saffron
Not counting the old school versions
bronze wind
it was super satisfying to play in combat too, just the progression elements of it suffered big time, and the reliance on playing in a group
i loved the little I played of it but the scaling and lack of incentive to keep going killed it for me
idle saffron
Navigation was fun
bronze wind
i wish they dind't just give you weapons tho, kinda boring to be in a mech suit and use guns lol
cinder vessel
I wanted to love it, as I think it's the closest thing to a decent shadowrunner ...
wait you know of the recent Shadowrun trilogy right? Or are those "the old school versions"?
bronze wind
like i'd rather unlock arm cannons or something instead of a generic black machine gun
idle saffron
wait you know of the recent Shadowrun trilogy right? Or are those "the old schoo...
I do not, pc?
cinder vessel
what if it has neon @bronze wind
bronze wind
sold
cinder vessel
ah, PC & mobile, didn't realize they had a mobile version
idle saffron
Sad
cinder vessel
since they're tactical RPGs they might not be too bad on mobile tbh
austere lance
dry copper
Curious. Why was this investigation made public? That's fucking insulting.
I'd quit too if my employer was using me to gain street cred in the public eye for tackling workplace toxicity.
There's a reason human resources isn't a public facing institution within a business.
He was found not guilty but that means that he gets the joy of working side by side with his accuser and it won't make a lick of a difference what some human resources manager said or did to exonerate him of the accusation unless and until the person that accused him was made an example of...Which has the added disadvantage of discouraging people from even bothering with reporting workplace bullying. It wouldn't necessarily if HR didn't have so many god damn leaks that the entire ship could sink on the shitty PR
thorn dawn
Curious. Why was this investigation made public? That's fucking insulting.
He made it public himself.
dry copper
Seriously?
thorn dawn
Source cited in the article is a whole company email written by the guy.
It's more than possible to be a complete asshole to work with and not be 'guilty' of workplace bullying too
dry copper
Agreed. Like...leaking HR issues to the public
thorn dawn
At the end of the day, if he identifies his own behaviour as problematic, I'm gonna trust him.
dry copper
I'm not sure that a lack of trust is what is at odds.
Though and to be fair...chemistry is a thing.
You can be perfectly nice and still lend poorly to a culture which breeds toxicity.
It would be reasonable if he was the victim of a culture of individuals trying to remove him passively, he might decide to leave and throw their bullshit arguments back up in their faces.
I only hope some media outlet doesn't decide to use this to propagate the cancel culture conspiracy
weak thunder
I got the miitopia demo for my lil sis and I
dry copper
Militopia?
dry copper
Friday Night Fights?
idle saffron
Close sorta
weak thunder
Friday night funkin.
My team has chuck Norris, Jesus and Gandalf
weak thunder
It was funny as hell cause Jesus became friends with me and Chuck Norris is furiously shaking in the window and says, and I quote "it's always jesus!"
dry copper
I've only seen freddies wtf ever it is passively. I hate cheap jump scares. If I'm going to destroy brain cells and risk a heart attack, I want psychological trauma...Not shit in my pants.
idle saffron
I haven't played them
weak thunder
DDLC is a cheap Jumpscare but a good psych thriller.
Miitopia is a Nintendo Switch game
Like sure there's scary face and loud sound and shit.
But it's the attachment you may get on a character only for you to continuously feel bad to borderline traumatized.
That game messed me up. I wish I still had the twitch recording.
The audio went along the lines of
Me: oh... wh-WHAHUH?!?!?!?!
my friend: ooogh..... that's....
Me: WHAT the FUUCK?!
Then I cried for like 10 minutes
It's a good game and it's been a few years so the hype is gone and the Fandom is frail if you wanna look into it.
dry copper
Nintendo always knows how to play to my mental issues
weak thunder
Oof this game was not that.
That was the DDLC I was talking about
Doki Doki Literature Club.
Miitopia is fun and funny af
dry copper
I will never play DDLC.
weak thunder
The demo is too generous. You get a whole first map to play on.
dry copper
I stopped playing GMUDs in the 90s
weak thunder
Understandable.
It sucked that my favorite character has the most gruesome outcome.
GMUD?
dry copper
I never could get into those novel games.
Though, I didn't mind that one about the girl who could warp time
I forget what it's called now...
It's full of annoying QTE
austere lance
Life is Strange
dry copper
Yeah
austere lance
I think
weak thunder
I like all of David Cage's moviegames
dry copper
Captain Spirit was good. I enjoyed that.
weak thunder
The consequential gameplay mechanic blew my mind the first time
dry copper
I just wish it wasn't tied to QTE
austere lance
There's a new LiS coming out soon, I think
dry copper
The only thing worse than QTE are QTE during scenes you actually want to watch.
weak thunder
I originally wanted it cause I have a thing for dumb gimmicks.
Like touch the thing that has the interactive effect
weak thunder
Or QTE that is super consequential but Heavy Rain really worked with that.
The whole scene where he had to cut his finger off and the control was pulsing like a heart. The triggers felt like a springtrap.
thorn dawn
The way the 'dragon' type icon is written in Pokémon looks a lot like 'Oragon' IMO
weak thunder
I'd spoiler that but like. The game was 10 years ago
austere lance
The only thing worse than QTE are QTE during scenes you actually want to watch.
There was an open world Naruto game back on the 360 and PS3 that legit had bizarre cinematic boss fights that were literally just 5+ minutes of QTEs, and if you fucked up you died and started over
dry copper
Pa Rappa the Rapper?
weak thunder
Pa Rappa the Rapper?
Heavy Rain
dry copper
Parappa boss fight be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xGWTL93teI
weak thunder
I had a very obsessive hyperfixation on Heavy Rain. Gutted the thing.
Found out you couldn't kill the protag or the antag till the end
Like I was wondering how that would work.
It doesn't even happen.
Scenes where they clearly should have died they come out in extreme danger but that's it.
Like this guys hands are tied to the steering wheel and the car is now 6 feet underwater and you magically make it out. Call Me dark but that upset me
You make your game out to have so many different outcomes and there's actually an asterisk with fine print
It's a terrific game for a blind playthrough though
Oops text wall
Sorry
idle saffron
Go for it, love the enthusiasm
daring spear
^
fleet moat
Enthusiasm Heart Level: Adequate. 
weak thunder
Aaaaaaaa 🥺😭💖
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Know what I think is hilarious, in the bad movie/actor category?
austere lance
Nicholas Cage
glass plinth
Oh lord yes
austere lance
glass plinth
Travolta too on some movies.
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Nicholas Cage likes the Dresden Files so much that he made a movie that's a better Dresden Files than the tv series
austere lance
Wot
austere lance
Oh, lol
glass plinth
I love actors who are geniunely good, but also terribly bad. Just like a random roll of the dice.
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Apparently he asked the author for permission, but it didn't go through
glass plinth
Cage is wonderful
All the memes
I mean, NOT THE BEES, priceless
Or
FLIP HAIR!
So how is everyone this fine day?
charred badge
Dresden Files had the misfortune of being selected for a Sifi tv series
I think Butcher is reluctant to do tv/movies after that
glass plinth
Never did watch dresden files
Hrmm, then again, never big on shows with magic mostly
charred badge
It's an ok crime drama with low-key magic as the gimmick
It's just a bad dresden files, if you get me
The book series is fantastic after the first 1-2, though
Nice condensed reads with a ludicrous amount of attention to detail, and good characterization
Also has several comic book sets, and short story compilations
Oh, and it evolves.
It doesn't get stuck in an episodic formula forever
Why is that so rare in long series
And he gets more emotional response from killing a side character than grrm gets from killing off half the main cast
Oh god, I just remembered a show that jumped the shark hard
The Dead Zone
charred badge
Heh
Went from "guy wakes from coma, gets the ability to get visions from objects, decides to help the police." To "Amateur psychic detective goes to DC to prevent the election of the antichrist" or something like that
austere lance
Alright lads, who wants to hear a story about the worst development hell in the shortest time period that I've ever seen?
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Well, this is text and I hate TTS
austere lance
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2
-June 2020: Paradox confirmed any content designer Chris Avellone had contributed to the game would be removed following allegations of sexual assault.
-Later that month, lead narrative designer Brian Mitsoda and creative director Ka'ai Cluney were fired from the action-RPG project, with the former saying the decision by Hardsuit and Paradox "came as a shock" and that he had "never been led to believe that he hadn't succeeded" in his role.
-October 2020, Paradox confirmed senior narrative designer Cara Ellison had left the project and was no longer working with Hardsuit.
-A couple months ago Paradox canceled new pre-orders and stripped the game from the studio entirely
Now it has no release date
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@austere lance was that kick-started?
austere lance
I don't think so?
glass plinth
Bah, Im sad about Chris Avellone
He really did amazing work
Shame hes a @@$#
Such is life I suppoose.
idle saffron
Senua, as requested
willow crypt
thanks!
idle saffron
Yw
daring spear
This will be. The best dinosaur zoo
Any zoo with an entire bbq area is good right lmao
Why is it sideways
winter yew
Damn I love Murkmire.
Turns out the worst part about it is it's length.
aka it's a smaller dlc, so content's rather limited.
shadow tartan
weak thunder
Waaaa I reached the "buy the full game you heathen" part of the demoooo
There's still 2 weeks till it's outttt
weak thunder
Also right before the Demo ended Chuck Norris and Jesus fell in love.
What a twist
reef mountain
@raw sorrel moving here since it's getting off topic; have you heard of the game Starship Evo?
raw sorrel
Heard of it, but not really familiar
reef mountain
it lets you build huge spaceships with full interiors and you can actually fly them around like the little ones in NMS
and it's getting planets soon
charred badge
yeah. I enjoyed it quite a bit
reef mountain
it's pretty early in development though and is basically only creative mode
charred badge
was kind of annoyed with how fiddly moving bits were, but the mirror tool is amazing
reef mountain
you can also make your own vehicles and mechs
raw sorrel
That's why I mentioned StarMade, as you can build ships from the ground up too, but also includes logic and whatever else.
charred badge
did they add mechs back in?
reef mountain
yeah I played StarMade a while ago, but last I checked, it didn't have good reviews
charred badge
Evo lets you stick all the programming blocks in tuck-away drawers, lol
reef mountain
@charred badge oh idk; I have access to Starship Evo on Steam but I haven't been playing it; I'm hesitant to commit to building something so early on in the game because it may be lost with an update
raw sorrel
It has been out for a very long time, which is normal for Early Access titles, but can annoy impatient players. Gone through loads of changes, not always appreciated
charred badge
I love that you can just make a hoverboard or whatever
reef mountain
but also planets are confirmed in Starship Evo and apparently the dev wants to do procedural plants and animals like NMS
raw sorrel
Sounds pretty cool and my sort of game. I really love doing crazy stuff, whether that be scale or complexity.
reef mountain
I keep telling myself "yeah that's too much for one dev" but then I look at what he's already done and I'm astonished
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my very limited fragment of attention for space building games has been on Starbase's alpha
reef mountain
the guy is a mad scientist of making video games
he's already figured out how to make curved planets... IN A VOXEL GAME
(the ring you get access to right now is basically a test for that)
like he's defying all my knowledge on what single devs are capable of
raw sorrel
Nothing all that spectacular to have curves using voxels
reef mountain
yeah but also just the building system he has already is insane
it's like a fusion of minecraft and legos
reef mountain
if that game gets planets like NMS with life and all that, it will be my dream game
charred badge
apparently he just removed the voxel system?
reef mountain
I'm not a huge fan of spaceship games, even ones where you can edit your ship, that don't have planets (as in, you can't land on the planets)
reef mountain
the planets so far look really nice, at least from space
they're far more realistic than NMS
as well as just general solar system layout
like stars aren't just static things in the background and you can have a star orbiting another star
raw sorrel
Sorry, got a phone call. But about voxels and curves, it is basically the same as vertices and Bezier curves and alike
charred badge
that's not a very hard thing
being more realistic than nms, I mean, haha. NMS is stylized like mad
reef mountain
I just want more realistic solar systems, like what you get in Space Engine (which is good but doesn't really have a gameplay aspect)
NMS doesn't even have gas giants
raw sorrel
Realism is certainly possible, the tough part is doing it on large scale. Procedural makes it easier to do large scale, but a lot of realism can get lost
It's a bit of give and take
I will certainly make note of Starship EVO and look into it some more. Sounds interesting
Dual Universe got my interest as well for that matter. Just not sure about the huge MMO part
reef mountain
never heard of that one, looking into it
charred badge
starbase is pretty fun, honestly
I really need to get around to playing it more, but life
the ship building is intimidating to learn
I should watch some tutorials
charred badge
yeah
I haven't even left the starter station with the tutorial jobs/minigames
mining is kinda fun. One action chips away waste rock, and the other detatches chunks once they're chipped enough
there's also a ship deconstruction job that uses a bunch of fun tools and gives higher rewards for removing components cleanly
raw sorrel
@reef mountain @charred badge Another game I have been following lately is 'Worlds of the Future' from Moonmen Games (Indie).
Open world sc-fi, nice and stylish.
https://moonmengames.com/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCABf6K5lakeJn8wd35at3-A
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<@!286185815233527809> <@!205404910303313920> Another game I have been following...
neat, thanks!
austere lance
idle saffron
Thanks! Watching now
willow crypt
Impulse Gear, the team behind VR fps single player game ‘Far Point’ just revealed a very generic team based multiplayer shooter yaaaaaay
appease the masses, am i right?
instead of creating original content
that’s how you get the 💰
idle saffron
💔
willow crypt
need an emoji with the heart halves further apart
willow crypt
yay thank you, perfect
the black outline adds grungyness and texture
more representative of how i feel towards game devs selling out
lol
(im exaggerating)
bronze wind
theres something about the biomutant gameplay that just always looks off to me
the movement looks strange, can't explain it tho
willow crypt
it is different
bronze wind
almost like the character is always moving way faster than the animations would imply and there are not many transitions between animations
willow crypt
i haven’t watched the new gameplay yet, but from my memory, the animation does have a strange flair to it. i wouldn’t doubt that it’s intentional, as this is a weird game
then again, maybe they are unaware of it and needs polishing?
bronze wind
imo it just looks unpolished but it could be a stylistic thing. no one in the comments has any complaints about it so might just be me lol. the open world stuff shown is kinda what i was worried about but if the word is more condensed it could still work
willow crypt
mhm
though i sometimes do like large, empty open areas/prairies/valleys etc
lots of space for activities
bronze wind
my worry is that usually there aren't really any activities in between except for random cluster of enemies or identical resource collection points, which it seems like is what it is based on the footage
but it's very combat focused so if the combat is fun the clusters of enemies could be more interesting than in something like Skyrim, tho even Skyrim tries to add some story to the random encounters
dry copper
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/711980/view/3078750360424346090
That looks ....concerning
dry copper
https://youtu.be/VL2-3Le1wUY
I don't know why they even bother with hype. The hype train for Biomutant left two years ago.
I only hope they learned a ton from Avalanche Studios that translates into biomutant's optimization
If they even capture the same level of gameplay stability that Just Cause series carried, Biomutant would be a show
cinder vessel
biomutant aka ratchet & clank with character creator 
willow crypt
open world ratchet and clank with graffiti
bronze wind
all the races are just little furry things with different ears, was kinda hoping there'd be more interesting differences
plus the stat bars are really unintuitive to look at when the numbers above them don't change
bronze wind
im hoping its just pre release build stuff so im gonna just wait and see post release footage
willow crypt
might avoid watching the new gameplay
cinder vessel
replaying some Musashi: Samurai Legend reminded me it had a silly tacked on RPG-lite system, & I'm happy it just let you tell the game to handle stat allocation this way or that
bronze wind
yeah i like autolevel stuff
cinder vessel
this one let you say go balanced, offensive, defensive, or manually allocate
bronze wind
DQXI had a good balance of this with static stat upgrades from level ups but also a basic skill tree for abilities and some specialization
DQ in general is pretty good with it
cinder vessel
DQXI just had the curse of bosses expecting you to have fought more on the way to them imo
austere lance
It's a massive open world with 6 factions to work for, two main endings, and I believe some sub-endings. Plus a complete weapon building system. I'm ok with the $60 tag, lol
bronze wind
that's what all the advertising says yeah, just waiting to see how it actually plays when it's out is all
the weapon building is the coolest part that i've seen so far
austere lance
I mean, you see all of that except the factions in the gameplay trailer
bronze wind
@cinder vessel i feel like that's the JRPG curse most of the time lol
yeah and I said I had issues with some of the things I saw
seeing doesn't equal enjoying lol
and it's hardly in depth outside of the video showing the character customization which is also cool but would've liked other types of creatures for different breeds
not a bd tho
idle saffron
Video game pricing hasn't changed much in yeaaaars - I'm surprised they aren't all 80$ by now or more
cinder vessel
big dog
cinder vessel
Video game pricing hasn't changed much in yeaaaars - I'm surprised they aren't a...
they quietly are, if you get different editions or DLC
idle saffron
True, I'm talking base price though
cinder vessel
even upwards of $80 when accounting for that
bronze wind
they are increasing implicitly on a large scale and explicitly in some cases like some next gen titles being $70 on consoles
charred badge
Video game pricing hasn't changed much in yeaaaars - I'm surprised they aren't a...
The pricing has been hidden in mtx
cinder vessel
and sadly the bulk of that money probably still goes to execs over workers
charred badge
Over the average, the price per copy has gone way up
bronze wind
almost every AAA studio now does the "gold/epic/ultimate" editions bullshit that at best adds dumb stuff like ammo packs and at worst adds stuff like entire quests or content
bronze wind
what about my $250 collector's edition that comes with a tin "steelbook" and 6" model of a side character!
charred badge
The main character sucks anyway
cinder vessel
They don't get my money
they get enough of others' money that you're not noticeable, sorry Gleam
cinder vessel
but before '95, prices were wild af
austere lance
Wasn't expecting this when I read a RE8 review, lol
idle saffron
You are all mentioning things you don't have to buy
bronze wind
i'm not angry at $60, i'm just more careful about what I'm spending my money on lol. no one is whining.
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Except the devs deliberately arrange the things in a way that encourages buying
idle saffron
Seems whiny ish
cinder vessel
talking about change is big whine energy
charred badge
And it works, which increases the price
bronze wind
if all you bring to an argument is "they're whining" idk what productive conversation there is to have
idle saffron
These guys make things I don't have to buy, bad devs bad!
charred badge
Which is why they haven't bothered to increase box price
bronze wind
devs aren't bad management and capitalism is what makes it happen
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While nearly ending the concept of a "single player experience"
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Because multiplayer adds social pressure to buy cosmetics and expansions
cinder vessel
Ghostcart is covering it pretty well tbh
idle saffron
Correct, like 1 singleplayer game comes out a year
It's dead
Rofl
I can exaggerate also
bronze wind
i don't think it's dead but there's a tendency to push for online or service based content
that's where the money is so I "get it" but it's still just boring
idle saffron
The consumers choose the market direction, maybe you should critique your fellow gamers more?
cinder vessel
I like how you gloss over nearly
charred badge
It's dead
Not dead, but certainly in hibernation
I think you're also confused about what I'm saying.
I'm explaining why the box price of games hasn't increased much
idle saffron
I am a business, my goal is to make money - this is what sells...
cinder vessel
The consumers choose the market direction, maybe you should critique your fellow...
maybe that's what the corporations driving the market want
bronze wind
lol i don't blame individuals for the actions of companies taking advantage of them. This is like the climate change arguments
idle saffron
The box price hasn't increased because players have chosen mtx
Players did this
You did this
I did this
raw sorrel
Prices have been kept low on purpose (in the past at least). AAA studios can manage to keep it low, but it makes it hard for a small studio to get a place on the market. No longer quite works anymore as times have changed so indie teams are now abundant
bronze wind
Lol okay gleam
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And indie tools have improved significantly
idle saffron
No one forces anyone to pay money for extras, if they can gain money from that, what is the issue?
charred badge
Nowadays that's where you find the creativity anyway
charred badge
No one forces anyone to pay money for extras, if they can gain money from that, ...
Someone falling for psychological manipulation is not exactly entirely their fault
bronze wind
I literally just think it's dumb, and don't enjoy the direction AAA games are going. That's all lol
charred badge
The fact that people can resist the manipulation doesn't remove it
bronze wind
You're turning this into some massive issue about how consumers are stupid and we can't blame the multi-million/billion dollar companies
idle saffron
Nope
cinder vessel
The box price hasn't increased because players have chosen mtx
you're misunderstanding, the box price has been kept lower by companies spreading the costs over special editions, DLC, and/or microtransactions, nothing to do with player decisions
idle saffron
I'm saying maybe you should also look at the consumers
The business tries to makes money, they have seen what sells and do that
charred badge
It replaced other tactics from the past, such as Super Ultra Betamax releases, or physical accessories, and such
bronze wind
Sure and what sells is something I'm not a fan of, is what I'm saying. I also think it's unfair to blame individuals but I don't think you're going to budge on that point for whatever reason.
idle saffron
Psychological manipulation from game companies is a cop out from independent thought for players
Might as well say gta 5 made you kill someone
bronze wind
again with the individual responsibility BS lol
charred badge
That's falling closer to victim blaming
idle saffron
you're misunderstanding, the box price has been kept lower by companies spreadin...
False, someone still has to buy those
Players decide to
cinder vessel
and someone has to market them
idle saffron
Yep
charred badge
While small payments aren't much of an... offense... there are plenty of people that can't resist at all and waste way too much money
bronze wind
so gleam is climate change due to me not recycling my milk jug or is it due to fracking and corporate manufacturing/farming?
idle saffron
They market a million things everyday, so you buy them all?
bronze wind
it's my fault right?
idle saffron
Great comparison, perfect analogy for video games
cinder vessel
why blame the player instead of the game?
bronze wind
it is actually the same argument lol
idle saffron
Lmao
bronze wind
one is obviously more important but the logic is identical
charred badge
Someone walks into a casino.
Is it their fault they spend too much?
charred badge
To some degree, yes, but they're also being targeted
bronze wind
But casinos make a lot of money huh
idle saffron
Every business targets consumers
charred badge
Which is why laws exist to limit how much a casino can rig things
bronze wind
yeah and it's shitty
cinder vessel
Do you think any of us here are exclusively blaming one element of the issue, and not weighing each element to find the one creating the source of the issue?
idle saffron
Seems like it yeah
bronze wind
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Thankfully, laws are finally catching up to gaming costs, and coincidentally box prices are increasing again
idle saffron
I am comfortable with what I purchase with my money, and don't feel anyone forces me to
cinder vessel
well I'm sorry Gleam but players don't create the market forces they endure, that's the businesses
idle saffron
Only because they make money
If no one bought Xbox ever again, what would happen to it?
Gone, bye
bronze wind
that would never happen lol, because they have market control
cinder vessel
it's never that simple
idle saffron
Sure it is, don't give them money, they change or die
The problem is you will never have all consumers do that
bronze wind
yeah what point are you making?
cinder vessel
next to nobody bought a PSP outside Japan yet they still made a Go and Vita and tried to market it outside Japan
bronze wind
monopolies bad? yeah
cinder vessel
oh cool
everyone is at fault so no one can be held responsible, gonna go commit crimes now
idle saffron
Singling out devs cause they have mtx and that ain't good, is a vastly oversimplification of the fundamental problem
We are talking video games here, I don't get the sudden switches to climate change or crimes
Video games
bronze wind
it's the problem of individual blame
cinder vessel
Because your logic is applied to many other things
Capitalism itself
don't like the market stop buying
idle saffron
All directly tied to video games
bronze wind
we could be talking about anything, the seed of the convo was video games but i'm not applying it to just that
full pivot
should probably stick with non-political issues for comparison here though
bronze wind
nah
full pivot
actually yes
idle saffron
And that is another problem - we have one subject, analogies to something else do not apply
full pivot
you know where politics goes
bronze wind
gleam I'm sorry but if you're so deeply entrenched in defending corporations I have nothing else to say to you lol
idle saffron
I don't want metaphorical hypothesis on how my view on the game industry can be applied to aeronautics
Again, swing and miss
bronze wind
oh come on lol
idle saffron
I'm trying to point out that we have a choice
You do not need to purchase the dlc, or special edition
bronze wind
your choices are directly limited by what corporations decide to market though
idle saffron
It's a choice
bronze wind
and yes I am aware of that
idle saffron
So vote with your wallet as you said you do, don't buy
bronze wind
but I don't blame the entirety of the population when they prove that psychology works
because corporations take advantage of that
idle saffron
I do, accountability for your actions can be extended to your purchases
bronze wind
voting with your wallet does nothing
idle saffron
Does for you
idle saffron
So talk it up, make the change you want to see
bronze wind
yeah I buy primarily indie now, good for me. I was criticizing the AAA industry
raw sorrel
Interesting discussion
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I do, accountability for your actions can be extended to your purchases
How do you feel about pyramid scams?
idle saffron
I don't get in involved in them, seems to work
Basically I can sum this up: corporations target consumers with psychology and we are too stupid to not buy stuff
bronze wind
so exploitation of people is ok because the driving force is money
idle saffron
Bad corporations!
idle saffron
Not really
The question isnt whether they are morally right, the question is, when does someone take accountability for their own actions?
cinder vessel
yes stupid consumers not having any or much background in psychology getting fooled by specialists, how stupid
idle saffron
Does it work on you?
cinder vessel
it's working on all of us all the time
bronze wind
are corporations totally free of accountability just because they're are innocently just trying to make some cash?
idle saffron
Of course not
bronze wind
Okay we're getting there then
so let's say that innocent company was actually using manipulative tactics to try and get as much money as they can out of either a small subset of their consumer base or a large subset of the pop? now the blame is shifting more onto the consumer because they "aren't smart enough" to see thru it and simply not buy it?
idle saffron
Here is my large problem with that. Define Manipulative tactics. If you are referring to dlc and boxed sets with limited edition items, then yes it is the consumers fault for buying, and the companies fault for being asshats and the societies fault for allowing it
cinder vessel
okay and which of those do you think can be addressed more effectively, every individual, the companies, or society at large?
bronze wind
I'm talking about the fact that marketing is at its core based in psychological manipulation and even if things are optional a higher percentage of people will buy it because they are being marketed to. I don't blame people for falling for marketing because it's literally designed as a tool to exploit consumers to maximize profit for the company. If you want to blame individuals that's up to you but I wholly disagree.
leon unfortunately I think the answer is none of them because companies are never going to stop wanting money
idle saffron
Society first
bronze wind
but we are not allowed to complain because they are simply trying to make money
idle saffron
Sure can, but make the complaints encompassing
bronze wind
They are, but as you said, this is a video game discussion so that's how it started
idle saffron
Still there
bronze wind
everything I'm saying applies to all industries so it's plenty encompassing
cinder vessel
Society first
so market regulation, so companies
idle saffron
Complain about the weak willed gamers that can't choose not to buy something
bronze wind
Nah
cinder vessel
i agree, markets could use more regulation
bronze wind
whatever phrasing helps you feel superior sure
enjoy this weird hill you are trying so hard to die on
bronze wind
what about the weak willed gamers?
idle saffron
Says a lot
cinder vessel
i mean that's what you're saying right Gleam? start with society allowing stuff, so regulate markets so they don't allow predatory business practices, sounds good to me
idle saffron
Correct
I don't feel superior to them, I'm pointing out the differences
You have a strong enough will to not buy
Why give a free pass out
bronze wind
Good for me, still don't blame them!
Agree to disagree 🤝
cause this is pointless and non-productive
idle saffron
They can't be held responsible for their choice then?
raw sorrel
Would love to see marketing regulation and get rid of the stupid sentiment in my country where we generally love to score good deals. This is being abused by pretty much any company. So we end up still paying more even when we buy 2 for the price of 1. But hey, we got a good deal right? Wrong ... neighbouring countries are way cheaper even without the stupid deals and supposed discounts.
cinder vessel
not when they're being aggressively preyed on, preferably no @idle saffron
bronze wind
They can't be held responsible for their choice then?
Agree to disagree 🤝
idle saffron
cinder vessel
@raw sorrel big oof on that
raw sorrel
Well, it is that way because it works
Not enough people complain and too many truly believe they got a good deal out of it
bronze wind
the issue is any complaints are far outweighed and stifled by the marketing lol
raw sorrel
yup, that too
cinder vessel
which is the crux of a lot of issues, people don't want to believe or admit they have been fooled
raw sorrel
ahuh
bronze wind
so this idea that people are somehow going to be "educated" out of falling for marketing doesn't hold
cinder vessel
good thing everyone's a corporation so we all have a counter-marketing group to help us avoid being fooled!
idle saffron
Yeah it is
raven frost
so, I just had a brainwave
In CP'77's lore, birds and poultry were killed off and made illegal to own/eat due to some kind of sickness being spread by birds
so, in one way or another, getting cock actually does makes someone a criminal in 2077
fervent fog
how about no
long mural
Well well well, there’s a tree growing through that Deathbringer
Either that or it’s growing around, either way, there’s a tree near it
Don’t remember where I found it, but I know it was in the jungle area
charred badge
What game?
long mural
Horizon Zero Dawn
charred badge
fleet moat
I guess it's a screenshot of a joke...falls under media 
Also, I wish vampires did exist 💉
austere lance
idle saffron
DO WHAT
shadow tartan
DUDE
austere lance
Wtf
idle saffron
I'm interesteddd
austere lance
So it's a sequel to that old hard af side-scroller?
shadow tartan
Yeah dude!
idle saffron
Well, I loved that game even though not childhood. I was just playing Another World anniversary like a month ago
shadow tartan
I have it on Mega Drive still I think
shadow tartan
Well, I loved that game even though not childhood. I was just playing Another Wo...
I was just thinking about that, I bought the Anniversary Edition some years ago though
idle saffron
Two standout games at the time
shadow tartan
Fade to Black also
idle saffron
Woooo
shadow tartan
The level art was fantastic
idle saffron
I'm hopeful, and a touch hesitant
shadow tartan
Same
shadow tartan
I want to play Another World again now too, I think I have it on mobile
idle saffron
Do it
austere lance
I uh, might be enjoying Battlefield 1 a lot more than expected
idle saffron
That's ok I won't tell
idle saffron
Very nice!
Drive that car to your house in the rain and go to Another World
Also, that would be an epic sequel as well
shadow tartan
The sound effects and the music are amazing
shadow tartan
Also, that would be an epic sequel as well
Totally
shadow tartan
And characters head not looking like a potato
shadow tartan
The music is sooooo goood
shadow tartan
I tapped it to check and I just felt dirty
idle saffron
Not the same vibe
shadow tartan
austere lance
Everybody's getting dragged through the mud, holy shit
https://www.windowscentral.com/epic-games-v-apple-trial-exposes-innards-entire-games-industry-including-microsoft-sony-and-more
cinder vessel
Everybody's getting dragged through the mud, holy shit
https://www.windowscentra...
happens when you're an engine dev i guess
cinder vessel
so, in one way or another, getting cock actually *does* makes someone a criminal...
nice
broken prairie
underwater scout lol
charred badge
Y'all ready for PSO2: neon genesis
dry copper
There was a port to PC of a remake of Flashback like ten years ago
It wasn't as shit as the original
Oh or maybe it was xbox
I don't know now
I never played it.
cinder vessel
this looks interesting:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1373850/SKIN/
austere lance
I'm playing Battlefield 1 and found the perfect sniper spot on the one desert map with dunes, I pissed off the enemy team enough that they sent a three man sniper team after me 🤣
cinder vessel
lol
austere lance
THEY'RE IN A PERFECT TRIANGLE FORMATION SHOOTING ME, I'M JUST A MEME SHOOTING THE DAMN HORSE RIDERS 💀
cinder vessel
watching an Ashens video has stirred in me a strange desire for toy-aesthetic games 
besides Lego, that is
fast isle
balmy plaza
The scale in the new Assassin's Creed games is really distracting
I hadn't noticed until once came out set in England
From where I am sitting atm, the Isle of Wight looks huge
It takes the ferry or the hovercraft to cross but in AC it looks piddly
Not that the scale change is bad for gameplay
But it's so distracting to see the same view you see every day but with everything so much smaller
winter yew
Biomutant almost here 
winter yew
Just announced for consoles https://youtu.be/C-OKgr_YuKA
silver sparrow
winter yew
!!!!!
stray yoke
I decided that I want to try some music production
So I attempted to make a fake Ocarina Song for Zelda: Ocarina of Time
I call it:
Canticle of Fog
(uploaded as an MP4 because discord was having problems with the MP3)
cinder vessel
ngl it's kinda cooler as mp4 with the still image
austere lance
cinder vessel
Badger Dad
broken prairie
dry copper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-yohW7aiw
I haven't watched stranger things since season 1. It didn't seem compelling to me. Just a series of cliff hangers.
I hate cliff hangers.
silver sparrow
I hate cliff hangers.
good thing you never watched Lost then 👀
dry copper
Just announced for consoles https://youtu.be/C-OKgr_YuKA
Imagine if Nintendo were like....Bitch, we gon git tis...and released an Animal Crossing Royale game where the PVP was literally being the most helpful to the citizens to progress...
Fighting over being nice
I watched Lost. I hated every minute of it. It was one of the reasons I started to really hate cliff hangers.
My hatred of cliff hangers is owed numerous productions over the years that have exploited the mechanic for profits without making them necessary for story progression
A cliff hanger for story progression lends to creative considerations...Not blue balls.
silver sparrow
cliffballs