The article that S0ul posted also pointed to some very questionable things that CDPR had said on social media.
#other-games
wide kestrel
It seems to me that people aren’t as ready to pass it off as surface level because of a couple of transphobic things the company has said.
static trellis
Because in my brain caramelldansen and Waka Laka are virtually the same song and you got them both stuck in my head, you get this now lol. @daring spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcRqMiH7ENk&ab_channel=jacksparrowwillrule
I was big into the DDR scene however long ago. >.>
daring spear
oh boy
static trellis
Yeah uh.. it's a trip lol.
cinder vessel
It seems to me that people aren’t as ready to pass it off as surface level becau...
yeah, the marketing has been where it's been crossing lines more than the game, from what I've read in reviews/x hours played articles so far
keen dome
Well and that's what I was meaning. Maybe the person in charge of posting shit on social media was a dumbass and didn't know?
fleet moat
And I'm pretty sure they also got FIRED.
cinder vessel
They did, but then it still continued in milder ways
oshit...
CDPR put Denuvo on the review builds of Cyberpunk 2077 
keen dome
Woot off work, about to head to a co-workers place for some DnD and pizza
fleet moat
Wheeee! 
cinder vessel
lmao
fleet moat
cinder vessel
Red wants an invite!
keen dome
2 medium 2 topping each for 5.99 ea
Or we have a carryout special. Large 3 topping 7.99
But since I work here I can basically put whatever I want on it xD
austere lance
I need this 😍
keen dome
I've never had a Brooklyn style pizza and we make those, tempted to one of these times
winter yew
Well that was a clusterfuck to read. 😄
daring spear
that's really pretty
daring spear
oooo
keen dome
I'll be honest, I would frame that and hang it up. It could be a perfect motivational poster too
fleet moat
Well that was a clusterfuck to read. 😄
A clusterfuck to read. 
balmy plaza
Thank you! I think I have another on my phone somewhere
Might have posted this before
Not sure tho
fleet moat
Thank you! I think I have another on my phone somewhere
You took these? 
balmy plaza
Thank you 😊
charred badge
CDPR put Denuvo on the review builds of Cyberpunk 2077 <:squinteyes:672830998806...
DRM is evil, unless you want to track predrop leaks obv.
cinder vessel
getting fussy over leaks on entertainment products 😴
fleet moat
I didn't read fussy 
dry copper
@austere lance The problem with the triple treasure box is pizza hut sucks so your pizza is going to have cardboard in it and your desserts will probably have pizza grease dripped onto it.
mmm, cinnamon pizza bun
winter yew
While you guys are playing that I'll be wasting my time on Destiny
cinder vessel
Okay so holy shit, if you know you have epileptic seizures and are excited to play Cyberpunk 2077, please take this article into account. There are apparently epileptic triggers throughout the game, particularly the braindances:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/12/07/cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa
wet warren
Hmm. I feel like there should be a setting that brings it down to a point where it doesn't cause the person a seizure
full pivot
doesn't literally every videogame have a warning about epilepsy though
austere lance
Hmm. I feel like there should be a setting that brings it down to a point where ...
Apparently there's not. Hell, they even designed something in the game that acts like an exact replica of those machines that purposely trigger seizures
keen dome
Pretty much nowadays
winter yew
did they add porygon
austere lance
wet warren
That's a yikes 😬
Do they at least warn you like Aethena asked?
That seems really bad
austere lance
No idea
dry copper
I'm not as excited as I thought I would be seeing this
Ignore my horrible internet
I wonder if in CP77, you'll be able to shoot guns out of enemies hands
I'd like to force enemies into melee and switch to sword
daring spear
yet
Theres already a 43GB update they said is happening, and another update
One they havent disclosed the size for as far as I'm aware
dry copper
I made this for you @raven frost
coarse swift
Computerman's too Out of Touch to get that
winter yew
Some early morning post-hardcore to wake me up. This is one of my favorite tracks by Beartooth simply because of how genuinely unhinged the vocals sound in relation to the lyrics and mood of the song itself. https://youtu.be/557mc5ICVv8
charred badge
@winter yew porygon was set up
They couldn't ban pikachu, even though its thunderbolt caused the problem, so they used porygon as a scapegoat
broken prairie
Greetings
austere lance
Wow, the author of that article about all the seizure-inducing stuff in CP2077 is apparently getting spammed by trolls sending GIFs of flashing lights. CDPR Stans are a whole different breed
fleet moat
Any type of stan is a different breed tbh. I doubt it's just specific to CDPR.
You gotta be a different breed to be a stan that bullies, trolls and wishes physical illness upon any human / living being.
And there are plenty of stans in our world that do that, regardless of what / who they stan for.
sleek cloud
I understand the concern for the possibility of a seizure triggering but most games have some sort flashing light in them anyway and I'm sure warnings will be placed by CDPR for those sensitive to them.
austere lance
Neon lights flashing in sci fi is normal, designing the brain-dance stuff to act like an exact replica of the machines doctors use irl to purposefully set off seizures is not
It's dead-on an exact replica of the red and white lights or whatever the colors are to induce seizures
fleet moat
I concur that CDPR will likely have to add the warnings if they haven't already. I'm surprised they haven't. But I haven't played the game to know. 🤷🏻♀️
sleek cloud
no i understand that is taking things a bit too far. Hopefully there's an option to tone it down
austere lance
As of now there's not
silver sparrow
are you shtaring at my headgear shtan????
fleet moat
The game should also not be in the hands of most ppl playing it atm.
sleek cloud
yep
fleet moat
Isn't there a launch patch for it already?
sleek cloud
gonna be a loooong couple of night shifts
fleet moat
I wish ppl would just let games release at their own due time (yes, even if delayed). I honestly don't get modern day "must have it now" mentality, even if it's not patched. So they can then complain about how buggy it is? 
sleek cloud
as far I've seen/read in terms of bugs is they're mostly visual, nothing game breaking as of yet.
somber viper
only came here to cry that I wanna play the metal gear solid series from beginning to end but I can't with out my ps3 😭
sleek cloud
gotta remember it's a huge game with 100's of different systems at play, something is bound to conflict at some point
fleet moat
as far I've seen/read in terms of bugs is they're mostly visual, nothing game br...
That's pretty good news. Crossing fingers. I like to keep a realistic expectation. Not high, not low.
sleek cloud
maybe this 40gb patch will iron out a lot of these bugs
fleet moat
I hope so. But still, I do expect bugs. It's a brand new product. And devs are humans. And like you said, there are a lot of systems / variables at play, especially including the new gen consoles.
past ivy
Go back to sleep
dry copper
Counting bodies like sheep
fleet moat
Tried to launch Cyberpunk...got hilarious opening screen
Aww love it! Lol
So cool it'll be available to play tomorrow night though, right? Before the 10th 
9pm ET iirc based on map Malarky shared yesterday 
dry copper
I checked to see if the game was checking the date using my computer (by changing the date to the 10th). It's not.
It must have a countdown built in.
Or some initial internet connectivity
Like an authentication sequence
Hopefully that's not going to be a requirement to play...It is single player. Internet connectivity is a big no-no
fleet moat
Prob basic internet connectivity to authenticate.
Yo. I just remembered. New GTA Online Cayo Perico heist also comes out this next week I just got G$1,200,000 for free, which covers my awesomely discounted Stromberg purchase from Black Friday sale 
EDIT: Next week.
Back to my nicely padded G$112,443,239 in my bank account 😆
dry copper
I got a bunch of GTA fake money too and never played to get it...because I don't care about GTA Online. I don't like PVP generally, and particularly in games I know people are hacking in.
fleet moat
I rarely play PvP tbh. I create my own lobbies by NAT'ing on Xbox.
fleet moat
Yeah, I play co-op on GTAO when my friends play.
dry copper
laggy and buggy but mechanics are nice.
fleet moat
But most of the grind I do solo.
I also forgot about the music updates! 🎶
https://twitter.com/tezfunz2/status/1335359085353504769?s=21
I'm looking forward to the music. There are songs I was introduced to via the game, that I have in my playlist outside of the game.
broken prairie
Ark
past ivy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 I found sean murray's gaming channel
wide kestrel
@past ivy fuck you.
fleet moat
sleek cloud
imagine if Sean Murray stream his adventures on Twitch or something
past ivy
that'd be actually amazing
sleek cloud
would need a lot of mods though that's for sure
fleet moat
Imagine Sean Murray having a life 
/s
sleek cloud
hmm i wonder what his disguised Twitch name is
past ivy
ima go play no man's sky for the first time in a few months bye
sleek cloud
have fun!
fleet moat
ima go play no man's sky for the first time in a few months bye
Enjoy! 
bronze wind
I wonder if in CP77, you'll be able to shoot guns out of enemies hands
From most reviews they are saying combat is pretty basic aside from the stuff like smart weapons so I doubt it
bronze wind
Yeah I'm not that upset by it, just sorta waiting to see how many psychos are hugely let down lol
willow crypt
prolly a lot
bronze wind
Yep
The seizure shit is serious though. They really need to have modified that before release
There are disclaimers on boxed copies like every other video game but apparently no in game warning or way to toggle it
willow crypt
didn’t know about that
bronze wind
Aside from literal psychopaths sending the blinking lights on purpose it's still just a bad thing that shouldn't have ever passed cert
full pivot
no in game warning that's fucked up
i was asking about that earlier
and yeah have a warning and then make it skippable at least
willow crypt
must’ve been an oversight
fleet moat
Yeah I'm not that upset by it, just sorta waiting to see how many psychos are hu...
So well put. Which happens with so many games tbh.
bronze wind
Much larger scale here
fleet moat
I mean, Sean Murray and his team received death threats.
Oh and the journalist who first broke the news about the NMS delay.
tiny otter
People just like to send death threats and it’s just sickening
fleet moat
Psychos abound across the world. And they congregate in greater numbers when they can hide in online social media.
tiny otter
That’s why a lot of celebrities hire people to sort their mail
tiny otter
Psychos abound across the world. And they congregate in greater numbers when the...
Facts
fleet moat
My engrish today sucks balls.
tiny otter
There’s so many examples of people getting death threats, that I can’t remember a specific one
fleet moat
It's sad.
tiny otter
I think the kid who made the Fortnite anthems got death threats
fleet moat
Same with the swat calls. Like what happened to...who was it recently? Ubisoft?
tiny otter
This kid
I can’t remember though
Oh wait I remember one time when this kid who was on the kidsreacts YouTube channel got death threats because he said he didn’t like Keanu reeves
balmy plaza
With cyberpunk, will the day one patch drop at launch? Or could it be slightly before?
thorn dawn
yes
balmy plaza
I hope I get time to download it before launch
fleet moat
I hope I get time to download it before launch
I think someone said 40gb earlier?
Patch I mean.
bronze wind
that's differnt from the day one
bronze wind
Glad they're going to add an actual permanent solution. Strange it wasn't there to begin with and that it got passed cert
thorn dawn
the article is er
"During my time with Cyberpunk 2077, I suffered one major seizure and felt several moments where I was close to another one. I kept going because I made that decision to"
... has her doctor neglected to mention to her grand mal seizures can be fatal?
Sounds like a bit of a risk just for a video game
bronze wind
yeah i mean definitely not a good judgement call to keep going lol
valid concern obviously but not a valid risk to take imo
austere lance
After 27 hours I finally hit 50% completion in Andromeda, LMAO
thorn dawn
I mean I haven't seen the game, but I'm also not convinced that it's as big an issue as people are making out
Epilepsy full stop is rare, and photosensitive epilepsy is rare even out of that group
The standing advice is, don't play video games, because it's not worth your damn life
bronze wind
It's an issue and I'm glad they're fixing it, don't really need to try and figure out how "large" the issue is in order to discuss it
thorn dawn
Well here's the thing zoid, what they've described isn't a typical trigger either
charred badge
I'm still baffled that nobody looked at "Hey, these ingame characters use goggles that trigger seizures" and thought "maybe we shouldn't display the effect that causes seizures"
thorn dawn
photosensitive epilepsy normally triggers in the 3-30 hertz range
I have a strong feeling that it's a combination of, there being a genuine scene with a problematic sequence
and zomg flashing lights
charred badge
30fps is not unusual
bronze wind
That's up to you, seems pointless to try and immediately diminish this persons experience based on assumptions you're making though
They were clearly triggered by something and posting warnings/PSAs is only helpful, not harmful. Except for the case where people took it as some condemnation and used it as an excuse to harass those reporting it
austere lance
@thorn dawn
thorn dawn
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking is the problematic scene
bronze wind
Well yeah, they said it is lol
That's all the article was saying, not "the entire game is a horrible trigger and the devs intended this"
thorn dawn
I didn't say it was?
bronze wind
Just warning people and then psychotic fans decided to make it a big deal
thorn dawn
I mean you seem to be arguing against things I haven't said
bronze wind
Well I'm not sure what you're trying to say
fleet moat
That's up to you, seems pointless to try and immediately diminish this persons e...
Tbf. We're all making assumptions. Not everything one reads online is a fact either.
thorn dawn
I'm saying the internet is probably blowing things out of proportion as usual
and no one is going to have their brain melted
austere lance
The devs gave no in-game warning that they had put something that replicates irl seizure-inducing machines into the game @thorn dawn
bronze wind
I personally trust someone with epilepsy about experiences with epilepsy but yes there are varying degrees to everything
fleet moat
It may be wiser to just stop an argument over assumptions from either side tbh.
bronze wind
I'm not treating it as an assumption, I'm just reading someones actual experience and noticing warnings
thorn dawn
@austere lance it assumes they knew, it just sounds like a VR headset
charred badge
everybody playing cyberpunk, while me
fleet moat
No one in this discussion is the sufferer or someone who's played the game. So it's impossible for anyone here to gauge how serious the issue is (or not).
austere lance
They had to have known, they copied the exact patterns and lights
bronze wind
Sure but I'm just basing my opinion on the actual sufferer lol
thorn dawn
Did they?
bronze wind
I'm not saying they maliciously placed blinking lights, that would be dumb. I just think there should've been more rigorous checks around things like that and more of a warning, which is thankfully something they're now doing
fleet moat
I just want the "argument" to slow down before it gets out of hand. Since I know how passionate some "debates" get around the interwebz.
austere lance
Like, they didn't just put random lights. They used the exact red and white flashing patterns used by doctors
thorn dawn
Again, did they?
bronze wind
It was close enough tohave been a trigger for someone so it doesn't matter if it's "exact"
It's just a warning
austere lance
"If not modeled off the IRL design, it's a very spot-on coincidence"
bronze wind
Of course but that would be a wild stretch to make
the ones arguing criminality are talking about the psycho fans though, not the game
willow crypt
ahh...I remember taking down an Eidelon in Destiny 2 using a BFG
fleet moat
Speaking of DJ wannabes, you guys gotta see this!!! Lol https://youtu.be/vsKEFlC6EqU
thorn dawn
The choice you're asking to make is that someone deliberately implemented a device to intentionally induce seizures in a video game. Or, they modelled a VR headset and made it flash.
I think it's the latter.
charred badge
no decks
bronze wind
I'm not making that assumption personally. Some might be but it's a minority
austere lance
*flash in specific patterns
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thorn dawn
Which pattern soul?
I mean, there are multiple different types of photosensitive epilepsy
so which type did they target?
austere lance
Red and white in rapid sequence
bronze wind
My assumption is they just didn't do great due diligence for this type of thing which isn't criminal of course but sucks for those who might have been unaware of it ahead of time due to lack of in game warnings
austere lance
Red and white blinking lights in rapid sequence, my bad
charred badge
exactly
bronze wind
And I'm glad they're fixing it but it's a valid criticism and the reaction to the very valid criticism/warning (followed by a link to their 9/10 review btw) was disgusting and unfortunately really typical for a lot of the online gaming community
charred badge
this seems like a case of not having someone on that part of the game with a bit of common sense
bronze wind
I think at worst it's someone designing a sequence and having zero knowledge of epilepsy triggers, which is valid but would have been nice if they delayed the game more to do passes for accessibility things like this
wide kestrel
<a:tblobAvicii:436982711807246336>
that’s the barky status
bronze wind
Like the general consensus in reviews (pre day one patch of course) is that it seems rushed and would have benefitted from more time in the oven. I think that unfortunately applies in this situation as well and I'm glad this person brought it up early rather than assuming it was an isolated problem, so they can either add a mode for it or just alter the sequence a bit with some input from someone with knowledge
thorn dawn
@bronze wind they do. Game developers will ship footage to check for this. It's not perfect, but games should be checked as part of the QA process for problematic sequences.
bronze wind
Yeah that's what I mean
thorn dawn
UK broadcast TV goes through the same process.
bronze wind
I think it's just a result of a rushed process similar to the other issues reviewers have been pointing out
Seems more likely to me, it happens, unfortunately in this case it caused medical issues for someone but I don't think it was intentional lol
austere lance
It's pretty bad if the guy was using a filter to help with stuff like this and still got a seizure, imagine how bad it is for unaware people who took zero precautions
thorn dawn
That's not really how it works.
bronze wind
Ok
Well they are adding warnings and hopefully implementing a working fix which is good
Thanks to the feedback from this person
thorn dawn
There aren't precautions you can take to avoid a seizure, and they're not instant either.
There's a build up called the aura, that suffers will recognise, even if they're unable to respond to it
charred badge
All about avoidance
thorn dawn
Yup
charred badge
I imagine a software filter could be done
something that detects that type of light pattern and either proactively blocks it out or stops everything
austere lance
Or just put a warning in your game besides the one in the friggin EULA
thorn dawn
It's tricky, because it's not just the flashing in the majority of cases. It has to be flashing and motion - vertical or horizontal scrolling stripes are two of the most common triggers
austere lance
Takes five seconds to add the standard seizures warning during boot-up that tons of games have
thorn dawn
swing a camera past a fence illuminated by car headlights too quick, and you've got an epilepsy trigger
dry copper
If there's no seizure warning at the start of the game, there will be legal issues
austere lance
@dry copper It's in the EULA nobody reads cuz it's basically the Terms and Agreements thing
bronze wind
Eh they're probably pretty covered by that legally. Just would be nice to have a mode for it or something if it is an issue.
cinder vessel
I'm not saying they maliciously placed blinking lights, that would be dumb. I ju...
big ol' reason ya should always do an accessibility pass on games (and really, just about anything tbh)
dry copper
I don't know a single game with a seizure warning only in the EULA.
cinder vessel
i don't think i've seen epilepsy warnings in EULAs, used to it was within the cover of physical manuals, but after that...I don't know where you see it anymore.
Often a splash screen during logos?
dry copper
yes
bronze wind
There's a sticker on the box on the back that has it
dry copper
It's typically a skippable splash screen warning somewhere
thorn dawn
Standing advice to photosensitive epileptics is don't do vidya
dry copper
lol...I just had a really mean thought. A splash screen that causes seizures warning about seizures
cinder vessel
For more severe games it's a splash screen, like I'd suspect Beat Saber might have it
bronze wind
yeah probably
I wouldn't expect it on every game
CP was a game I would've expected it for though lol
cinder vessel
I think Rez Infinite does
dry copper
Have you played trhe game and can confirm there's no epil splash screen?
cinder vessel
Tbh I hadn't followed CP enough to even know they had such flashy screens
thorn dawn
found it
cinder vessel
I thought it was just the usual ol' here's some neon all over
neon sweat, neon veins, neon piss
thorn dawn
dry copper
Welcome to the future. For some reason, in the future neon pink isn't horrible. 80s hair styles are back and everyone is magically more comfortable in skin tight leather.
Welcome to the 80s
austere lance
Ubi games usually have seizure warnings when you boot the game up and it's doing the splash screens showing the studios and engine and whatnot
Actually that's where I see the warnings for any game I've played that has em
dry copper
I think the future dystopian night city would be much dirtier and crime filled than they make CP look
Like some third world country mushed into a twelve block radius
austere lance
Like some third world country mushed into a twelve block radius
Pretty sure that's what it looks like outside the city in the Nomad areas
And in the poor parts of the city
Actually never mind on the Nomad part, that area just looks like Mad Max 🤣
cinder vessel
dry copper
If we're talking the future of earth, they should've used the world where chappie comes from
That's the future 😛
This is ninja to your samurai
bronze wind
maybe V is a child predator too
dry copper
I wonder if they'll have easter eggs from V for Vendetta in the game
fleet moat
lol:
https://twitter.com/HonestWilliam/status/1336399793761955842
"Jackin' into Cyberpunk" 😂
Guys. I'm so excited for Hawkmoon. 
Doing the quest now.
bronze wind
bronze wind
Lol no
it's literally just "we're committed to allowing you to handle all of it"
but the super hilarious pairing of that statement with that background lmao
pretty tone deaf
coarse swift
Indicative of things to come
fleet moat
^ Hawkmoon
Did you get it
daring spear
Chappie is so bizzare
a feels trip that just has Die Antwoord acting in it for some reason but it works and it's strange
coarse swift
Not yet
cinder vessel
maybe V is a child predator too
...what? o_o
willow crypt
predator children are the worst
they're smaller and harder to spot
then BAM
you're dead
raven frost
dun
willow crypt
if people are playing the game early, hopefully they're not immediately judging
keen dome
I wanna play so bad
winter yew
yeah but i dont know who that is lool
coarse swift
I can assure you it aint me
raven frost
wouldn't be me
I'm Computerman (or a variant of thereof) across almost all platforms
winter yew
alrighty i'l ignore it
keen dome
thorn dawn
I'm Computerman (or a variant of thereof) across almost all platforms
MacMan
keen dome
RTX 4080 confirmed lol
thorn dawn
I'm Computerman (or a variant of thereof) across almost all platforms
LinuxFurry
keen dome
LinuxFurry
thorn dawn
I'm Computerman (or a variant of thereof) across almost all platforms
OS/2Entity
thorn dawn
omg are you xX.JustinBiberFan69420.Xx
austere lance
Halo Infinite has been confirmed for Fall 2021
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/inside-infinite-december-2020
dry copper
@winter yew What is EGS?
winter yew
epic game store
dry copper
You can probably guess what my EGS name is. Don't expect me to be online much on it tho.
I touch it maybe twice a week to get free shit.
I bought that legions game and didn't like it, so it's a rotting corpse in my playlist.
Same for Exodus
They're both decent games...I just am so preoccupied by other shit
They don't grip me.
glass plinth
I keep seeing people say they want to play Cyberpunk. Man, people need to wait.
Even though I love it, Id never play it until the bugs are ironed out
A month minimum
I mean unless you just want to try it and pass judgement after patching
cinder vessel
best game launcher that isn't Steam? 
glass plinth
Well I have no experience, but you could use Goh
Gog
I mean the truth is, all gog and steam do is download files, you still use the Red Launcher from CDPR
glass plinth
Hrmm speaking of
I guess gog will honor steam purchases of Cyberpunk 2077 so you can get all their goodies if you log into the gog account, link the software and load in through gog galaxy
Sorta cool
fleet moat
Nutty game releases tomorrow night (US ET).
glass plinth
WOO!
fleet moat
The day is essentially here.
glass plinth
Right after im off work too!
cinder vessel
wha?
fleet moat
wha?
Wha wha?
Global release timings for launch: <#other-games message>
7pm US ET
4pm US PT
thorn dawn
December 26th for me
wide kestrel
based sandwiches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1j-5UkZyL0
balmy plaza
Remember if you're on console the game comes out midnight local time!!
charred badge
best game launcher that isn't Steam? <:thonk:523225904109977600>
Playnite
It manages everything, from Steam to Humble Trove
charred badge
Pre/post-launch scripting, downloading, organizing, displaying, yada yada
cinder vessel
@charred badge yo, thanks! I'm pretty sure I had heard of and then completely forgotten about this
fleet moat
I love this song so much 
🎶 https://open.spotify.com/track/1i057qqlr4hjEt6lQvvoLl?si=G-r1aZctQTmjv2DrQncmEA
charred badge
<@!205404910303313920> yo, thanks! I'm pretty sure I had heard of and then compl...
Pepperidge Farms strikes again!
glass plinth
Ugh, I hate spotify doesnt have a volume control in the chat link
Like dafuq, blew out one of my speakers
Sigh
daring spear
just wait
daring spear
so I've heard
winter yew
Song is great tho
daring spear
has nothing to do with the live action (obviously) so Idk why he used that pic lol
cinder vessel
The Kotaku review for CP77 feels like it was written by you, lol <@1320185961790...
the silly part is what i'm playing atm is basically stats dump 3 from Arcen, lol
also i fucked up
i really wanted to see what was behind the locked door behind this bot and i uhhh didn't take the description text seriously enough 😅
daring spear
This is not the place to be selling this
cinder vessel
lol
i forgot how much of an underdog position they throw you in in Bionic Dues 😬
"take on a robot army with 4 remote exomechs, nbd"
"btw did we mention some of the bots are OP"
daring spear
cinder vessel
quickly realize this as soon as a bot comes within range and one hit kills one of your mechs 😱
full pivot
Maybe ill be able to download it by xmas lol
dry copper
I wonder if I'll still have a timelock on it after this update....
keen dome
Updating Cyberpunk 2077 with a 28gig update
wait you got the update?
dry copper
Yep.
full pivot
And it may actually be more focused on those issues that are really big rn
dry copper
Updating on GOG
keen dome
ooh, I used steam
dry copper
I used Galaxy
full pivot
Sounded like they're rushing to fix the epilepsy part for sure
dry copper
That would be cool.
full pivot
One can only hope and then maybe ill ease up on my criticism of their fans
dry copper
Nah, ya won't 😉
Criticism is good. It's like the spice in curry.
I had chicken shawarma for dinner tonight. It was fantastic.
Granted it's 3:30am right now....I mean last night (I guess)
full pivot
I just like to focus on the people who try to pretend their game company isnt a game company and theyre "different"
full pivot
Also the people who whine about delays and then complain about bugs
The gaming community does share in some responsibility for how games are right now and since they won't accept that its not gonna get better
As far as the developer and publisher; its a business
And being as such its not difficult to manipulate them to do things a certain way
dry copper
I remember when people were so hot and horny about talking with their wallets against games as a service.
That lasted a whole ....month?
(if that)
coarse swift
Because it doesn't work
"Just dont buy it"
"Talk with your wallet"
Means nothing when whales feed the share you would've paid
dry copper
and as long as whales exist to eat all of the services, they'll keep coming. I seriously thought we were getting somewhere when countries started banning loot boxes.
full pivot
EA created a non loot box Star Wars game.
dry copper
Now it's gotten to a point that doesn't even work and countries that should be on the front against exploiting children are on the front feeding them addictions
full pivot
The end.
dry copper
and at the end of the day, they say..."Well you should be watching your kids"
coarse swift
Sure wish I had that kinda money to blow, ngl
But if I did, I'd be spending it better anyways
dry copper
I hope that cyberpunk at least tries to be somewhat educational in its presentation. I like science fiction fantasy, but I also enjoy learning about something I can apply in the real world.
I was thinking as I was studying for my medical procedures exam, "this would be great to have in a game"
Just the practices demonstrated to absorb passively
Or the tools used in a medical profession shown in the game
Really, I was just trying to imagine all of the ways I could learn things I could use today, in a game.
Weird music. It's stuck in my head now.
full pivot
I just wanna have fun when I play it; I'm not looking for deep experiences from videogames even if they're nice once in a while
full pivot
I like to escape reality not be reminded of it
silver sparrow
watching streams
willow crypt
i sometimes like playing games that aren’t too deep, but when i try to play one that is deeper and heavily story driven and i’m wanting something more lighthearted and just fun, it does not work.
just feel indifferent at those times
balmy plaza
Started cyberpunk
balmy plaza
Aside from a few visual bugs and a bad texture here and there really enjoying it
Maybe liking NMS prepared me for it lol
sleek cloud
i've been watching a bit of it on Twitch and it looks really good
ahhh wish i didn't have work tonight
silver sparrow
Started cyberpunk
on PC?
silver sparrow
i've been watching a bit of it on Twitch and it looks really good
same
sleek cloud
there's already nearly 1m viewers watching on Twitch
and it's not out to everyone yet
full pivot
Just like NMS getting released on steam last prolly, the race to avoid spoilers
I'm used to this 😛
sleek cloud
ye i'm gonna watch a bit then turn off and try and avoid spoilers at all costs
more curious of just the raw gameplay and i'm certainly not disappointed yet
full pivot
I just don't want to be coloured by stuff its why I don't watch prerelease stuff from games either save an announcement trailer or something
sleek cloud
ye i blame ubisoft for that
full pivot
I blame.... Maxis
full pivot
Sims 2 and Spore prerelease were absolutely horrible
The final games were nothing like them
sleek cloud
i wish they did a 2nd Spore, i actually really like it
full pivot
The final games were nothing like them
sleek cloud
ye it could've been so much more
full pivot
Just saying it was an awful development cycle
silver sparrow
i saw parts of deus ex and parts of hitman in there 😄
full pivot
Deus ex doesn't surprise me one bit
sleek cloud
i'm interested in seeing the whole badlands part of the game as well
sleek cloud
haven't seen many bugs yet
just 1 where he couldn't loot something and a couple of visual bugs like objects suddenly disappearing
silver sparrow
i tried to watch shroud but he was stuck in game options screens so i scooted
sleek cloud
watching a bit of Cohh
bronze wind
i popped into xQc's just cause I knew he'd be doing dumb stuff
he ran by a woman and she got scared for no reason and ran away from him saying "somebody stop him" then he ran after her and punched her a bunch of times and nothing happened
silver sparrow
small NPCs
sleek cloud
what path are you guys choosing? ie street kid, corpo or nomad
silver sparrow
corpo
willow crypt
finally watching The Walking Dead season 10. i noticed they’ve seemed to take some inspiration from the last of us for a zombie and some weaponry
the show is still good, despite it having been going on for so long
seasons probably could be shorter, but they’re good at character development and that’s what makes us care about them
and why it especially sucks when people die off
austere lance
I quit after Negan showed up
willow crypt
i preferred when the group was smaller
but it’s interesting to see how things would progress after many years, which is what they do
silver sparrow
i never watched it but it looked like it got sprawling, like Lost
willow crypt
at times yeah
though it doesn’t really leave so many unanswered questions like Lost does
winter yew
The season with the whisperers was pretty interesting but how they have handled Judith Grimes has been a joke
willow crypt
she’s very powerful for her size
winter yew
True
charred badge
Oh, did they finally show a settlement that wasn't run by a tyrant or cannibals or just nuts?
winter yew
Well the Whisperers weren’t cannibals as far as I know
They just hide among the dead by wearing their skin
And destroyed communities they found living ‘normal lives’ in homes and whatnot, because they believed that way of living was in the past
austere lance
Time to try out Monster Sanctuary
dry copper
I'm starting to get irritated by the file updates of Cyberpunk
Third time this game has gone and updated. Now it's another 9 gigs
on top of that, windows wants to update.....
god damn it
glass plinth
it should peak out around 150gb
With expansions
maybe 200
I mean thats fairly typical of larger sandpark worlds
bronze wind
I don't think it's increasing the size of the game every time, I think it's just updates to existing files
glass plinth
At this point
bronze wind
It's bug fixes, not new content
bronze wind
that patch isn't additive is what I'm saying
glass plinth
So I aimed a bit above when emptying my drive
bronze wind
It might add a little bit but it's not 50 + 50
it's replacing probably a decent amount of the existing 50 and then adding a little probably
glass plinth
Well I mean that is literally what they said the first day one patch would be
raising the total to 100gb
I can pull that up if you want.
bronze wind
total download but not game size, unless that's explicitly what they said
like if you preloaded you'd be downloading multiple times
glass plinth
yeah, thats what they said, if they missaid, well, they could have
bronze wind
if you wait a day you just download once lol
glass plinth
True
Although, tonight when Im home, ill just download the patch
be done for now
I doubt ill be playing much for now anyways
I need to do DOMESTIC stuff
dry copper
I expect to have about 70 gigs with all the patches and updates applied.
Are you a domestic do-erist?
glass plinth
I always figure on 150 end total. Most of the games I play are that large.
Im cleaning
Lol
I want this house spotless for the landlord when I leave
I geniunely care
dry copper
Oh great. A home grown domestic do-erist
I don't play games over 100 gigs.
I think the last time I did was GTA and I uninstalled it.
The space became more valuable than the game
Watch you come to find out CDPR are trolling people trying to install early by releasing patch after patch after patch
charred badge
Or simply shipping the prerelease in a bad state to discourage piracy
glass plinth
I generally play extremely modified games
bronze wind
I highly doubt prerelease was shipped in the state it was in to discourage piracy lol
charred badge
I'm sure that happens though
bronze wind
Would be a pretty ignorant way to handle it
silver sparrow
The Witcher 734
dry copper
I hope they don't do something tacky, like add Geralt to Cyberpunk
bronze wind
I think I saw some mention of an easter egg but it wasn't dumb like that
sand marsh
i wouldn't be surprised if there is a Ciri easter egg
silver sparrow
or a ciri-like npc
glass plinth
And made it to work!
stretches.
Im really working out the storyline for my Corpo now in my head. I have some great ideas.
Corpo, really just screams, play me. Although so does Nomad.
austere lance
Monster Sanctuary is fun so far, defo recommend
glass plinth
?
austere lance
It's a better Pokémon-like game than anything Nintendo has made in the last 13 years, LMAO
glass plinth
I never played pokemon, but it looks nice
It wasnt really a game that existed when I was a kid.
I think by the time Pokemon hit the US shores, I was around 17
austere lance
glass plinth
So by then, Id progressed substantially into my Literary era. I mostly would play simcity, read books, write books and do art.
willow crypt
noice
glass plinth
Ah I love that game
glass plinth
Which?
sand marsh
cyberpunk
austere lance
Oddworld Discord is losing it rn, LMAO
glass plinth
Lol I bet
cinder vessel
"it's finally happening!" and such i imagine
glass plinth
Man, watching some of the cyberpunk twitch streams, fricking hell some of the storyline dialouge is good past where I got
At one point this guy makes a mistake and realizes who is the bad guy and you can see his face literally twist in agony.
That was great
austere lance
@cinder vessel That server is full of salty af fans cuz the devs rarely give any news on the game, they've gotten that tweet and a new gameplay GIF in the last two days and they're going wild 😆
They went from no news to new stuff every day, lol
glass plinth
We certainly remember salty days here
😛
Its great when a community gets some good news
Rebirths are awesome
cinder vessel
until the rebirth results in a questionable version of things
glass plinth
Eh
I mean that depends on the devs I suppose
We hit some hitches in the nms community, overall though it was decent past a point
Alot better since last update though
Man, that was stimulating
cinder vessel
like even thinking of the Spyro remakes and some character design changes it's like, but why?
austere lance
I still need to finish those, lol
cinder vessel
i still stand by the position that remakes, especially of older games, should strive to include ports of the originals. if not include ports of originals at initial release, then down the line in like a Definitive Edition or something
That way you can better see what changed between them, and appreciate the original on its own merits
austere lance
Soulstorm is gonna be cool cuz it's basically the version of Abe's Exodus that Lorne Lanning always had in his head, it's just now he finally has the tech to make it true to his dream
cinder vessel
I just wonder how much they can separate it from being "just another" remake, to ensure it sells well
Ngl I still haven't picked up New'n'Tasty because to the best of my knowledge it's not that different from Oddysee, and I already finished that game
cinder vessel
you ever play a game where
willow crypt
yeah
cinder vessel
holy shit
keen dome
For sure, skyrim be like that do
winter yew
what
cinder vessel
but about a game when
keen dome
Yeah, that is the best!
coarse swift
wot
winter yew
Idk I prefer games that
cinder vessel
damn nice
bronze wind
i hate when any game does
bronze wind
i would prefer it didn't
keen dome
Me too!
willow crypt
✅
bronze wind
😔
willow crypt
my name is zach
cinder vessel
my name is ||DigDug||
cinder vessel
londoug brij is fulling dun
cinder vessel
you can doug it doug!
austere lance
It's entertaining revisiting planets in Andromeda that you fixed the atmosphere for
dry copper
Woohoo!
Though it's been hours since my last post...and I just came back to the computer, so I don't know how long it's been sitting at 92%.
They may have the tail end of the patch not even available yet
glass plinth
Its not that the download takes long, so much as the file unpacking has a built in integrity check
dry copper
Clever way to timelock
glass plinth
that takes forever
You can actually skip the integrity check, but to be honest, that means youll bork the installation half the time
Steam SUCKS at doing things right the first try
glass plinth
No no, Im at work
Ill do it as soon as Im home.
I own on steam
launch with gog
Get all the goodies, from steam and gog
I wanted the black unicorn hehe
glass plinth
You get a katana from gog
dry copper
Oh.
dry copper
It bothers me that this is sitting on 92% and not moving. I have no idea if it's still patching, shit the code or what. I am used to seeing some indication of progress.
Like a timer.
glass plinth
Cant say, I use steam with a download manager I plugged into steam
So i dont seewhat you see
Frankly, steam has some serious issues with the way they handle data on downloads.
The issue is corruptions are rampant.
glass plinth
You could download twice as fast if it wasnt so bad.
Ha
Yeah, just a case of CDPR not having good process oversight.
Great programmers, poor coordinators
dry copper
Not here.
glass plinth
I wasnt saying we are always divisive.
Im just saying, as a norm, world wide, its increasing.
here, stateside, all but total.
dry copper
Being divisive seems to be something born of internet anonymity and distance
glass plinth
Aye
dry copper
It reminds me of the bystander effect, but hyped up to a million
glass plinth
Its going to be a norm. For the rest of human history , in its current state.
It could get much worse
Or change.
We just dont know.
dry copper
People who are aware of the state don't as easily fall prey to it.
glass plinth
Hrmm
Do psychological studies support that?
Im not sure thats the case
Hrmm, wait, did my landlady stick some cinnamon rolls in my work bag as a surprise, FUCK YEAH!
brb, heating them up
dry copper
For instance, the bystander effect in psychology says the more bystanders there are, the less likely someone in a catastrophe will survive because nobody helps...However, trained personnel in the mix take charge regardless
The bystander effect occurs when the sense of responsibility gets watered down by the numbers. Rescuers however have a sense of responsibility regardless of the numbers and will go out of their way to help.
silver sparrow
who has a landlady that cooks for them, are you sherlock holmes????
glass plinth
Something like that
silver sparrow
i KNEW he was a commie bastard and now i have proof...the rolls!!!!!
dry copper
commie?
dry copper
I like all sorts of buns
silver sparrow
ok comrade where is my hammer and sickle i am signing up...for the rolls
glass plinth
Had a electrican over one time
He repairs a light and such.
She hands him cinnamon rolls, go to pay him later, he goes fuck no, those rolls were amazing, consider me paid
This happens almost every repairman lol
silver sparrow
hm rolls are sus now
dry copper
I miss the days when you could get tradework done in exchange for goods other than money.
silver sparrow
heroin rolls
glass plinth
I still do that occasionally Malarky
silver sparrow
(heroin)
glass plinth
Hrmm, shes experimenting, one has pineapple glaze inside the roll
this is delightful
silver sparrow
omg
glass plinth
Haha
Yeah mine is going YUUUUS!
Plus I have coffee to go with it
I wish you guys could see my face
LOl
So I was watching a historical cooking show and the guy made Indian Rice Pudding. Bar none the best reaction Ive ever seen him make when he tasted it
he was so happy he about cried. The recipe was pretty damned good too.
So simple, elegant and really one of the first modern desserts in the world
Like 6 ingredients is all it takes
keen dome
So my wife's old phone went to shit and bestbuy gave us 122 in store credit.(we had the protection plan). She wants Cp2077 but wants to wait to see what it's like when we get home. Any other xbox 1 games she should look at?
dry copper
Update complete. Game ready to play (allegedly)
Now to do this windows update
Pls don't require a system restore and make me redownload this monster, Windows.
cinder vessel
😬
the odd situation where I'd honestly recommend having games installed to a separate drive tbh
cinder vessel
oh 😌
cinder vessel
one day, i'd like to do that too
dry copper
Annoying. I see no option to update GOG...It might have an auto update feature like steam when you run it. When I went to finish updating CP77, it prompted a GOG update and I was like...NOPE...
Not until CP77 is done.
Well this is nice
I wish syncing with GOG meant you could claim steam games on GOG instead of requiring steam to run them still.
cinder vessel
If the game in question isn't using Steam DRM, you should be able to.
Umurangi Generation is currently only sold through Steam but I run it through GOG Galaxy
Although, maybe I'm misunderstanding how you mean that
dry copper
I meant for the purpose of dropping steam like a steamy hot turd.
The only thing keeping me with steam are the sheer number of titles I have purchased on the storefront.
cinder vessel
Mm, then yeah, like I said, so long as the game isn't using Steam as DRM, you should be able to. The only remaining dependency would be for download/install
glass plinth
The only issue with steam games being claimed in GoG is many steam games dont include keys
those which do, are a simple work around
Frankly gog galaxy may become a primary app for me
I rather like it
Though Ill be only logging into Cyberpunk through gog for the goodies
So many goodies
fleet moat
So my wife's old phone went to shit and bestbuy gave us 122 in store credit.(we ...
Hmm so many options. Although it's so relative to genres she enjoys most and what she's played already.
keen dome
Yeah it's stuff like boarderlands, skyrim, fallout, terraria, stardew
fleet moat
Also, I would def hold off on CP on Xbox One (old gen) btw, based on reviews pertaining bugs. I'm deciding to wait things out till older gen reviews come out and when bigger bugs have been addressed.
austere lance
I wouldn't play it on anything weaker than a One X, there's waaaaaaay too much stuff in the game for the weaker consoles to handle
fleet moat
Yeah it's stuff like boarderlands, skyrim, fallout, terraria, stardew
@austere lance You've prob been playing a lot more games on Xbox than I have (in relation to variety). Would you have any recommendations for @keen dome? 
This was her original question:
So my wife's old phone went to shit and bestbuy gave us 122 in store credit.(we had the protection plan). She wants Cp2077 but wants to wait to see what it's like when we get home. Any other xbox 1 games she should look at?
keen dome
Oh I don't play on xbox hardly, my wife does tho! I should really get her in this discord lol
fleet moat
I know. I meant in regards to your question.
keen dome
Ooh, well I mean the ones I said are fun af lol.
fleet moat
I play Xbox, but I know Soul has played a greater variety of games for recommendations.
keen dome
Yeah I tend to stick to RPG esqe style games
fleet moat
I've played BL3 but it lacked in various aspects for me compared to BL2 story / dialogue.
austere lance
Ori and the Blind Forest, then Ori and the Will of the Wisps 😍
fleet moat
I did enjoy those. Loved the visuals and music.
daring spear
meant to put in off-topic whoops
cinder vessel
Slime Rancher has a physical release, right?
cinder vessel
Given what was mentioned, seems like something @keen dome's wife might enjoy
keen dome
damnit, cant play cp2077 yet
keen dome
whats the release time again? I know it varies
keen dome
found it, 7pm est
fleet moat
damnit, cant play cp2077 yet
7pm ET if on PC. Very soon!
fleet moat
found it, 7pm est
Oh I should've read the whole thing. Oops. Lol
Sadly on consoles, players have to wait till local midnight (so 7pm beats 12am ET )
keen dome
yeah XD
keen dome
30 minutes for anyone with a vpn 😛
balmy plaza
@fleet moat I changed my timezone to new Zealand and been playing all day on xbox haha
glass plinth
Im sorta wiggling around. After that amazing space x launch, this will be a amazing end to the day
Yup, 4pm pst, its 3:25pm now
keen dome
google lied to me!
Because I am in cst and seen the pst launch time and when I did the converter it said yall are 2 hours behind me
wtf, nvm Idk what is happening. Just plugged it in againa nd this time it shows right
hmm, to play with or without a controller..that is the question
fleet moat
<@357610080235028510> I changed my timezone to new Zealand and been playing all ...
No way!!! I was curious if changing the console's timezone would work. Badass! Also, awesome you're on Xbox too
@balmy plaza Which Xbox are you running it on?
fleet moat
Runs pretty well
That's good to know! I hope you're enjoying it I'll have to wait for reviews of the game on Xbox One.
raven frost
dry copper
6 minutes.
keen dome
Patch is released tomorrow ya?
fleet moat
https://tenor.com/37mv.gif
I dig this gif. 
raven frost
hey I don't know how long this fix is gonna last but if you're still seeing the play button greyed out for CP2077 just restart your steam client
balmy plaza
I think I'm in love with it
fleet moat
I think I'm in love with it
That's wonderful! I have a feeling I'll have zero disappointments. I just wanna wait for Xbox One reviews to make sure it works and isn't overwhelmingly buggy. How do the shoot mechanics feel? And moving around?
cinder vessel
just watchin' GiantBomb's quick look of it atm
austere lance
I'm watching this happen in a server full of people who were hyped for the game yesterday, lol
broken prairie
Yeah, overhyped
I like to underhype myself
then I have the patience to wait for fixes
austere lance
They all immediately tried playing and obviously they're having some wee issues 😆
broken prairie
Yeah
cinder vessel
did people just...forget the Witcher 3 being really jank?
keen dome
Well and was this before any patches?
broken prairie
Didnt the game go live today on steam
keen dome
wtf is the Red Launcher?
broken prairie
Burh key to immortality, you have to beat the story for multiplayer with respawns 
cinder vessel
Someone posted up the release schedule thing a bit ago
broken prairie
yeah it came out on steam where i am like 30 minutes ago
keen dome
here we go, hype!
cinder vessel
okay so realtalk here, how does anyone get excited by stat improvements that are literally +1 or +5%
like, i'm not great at math, but that's some minimal improvement
i don't understand why stat boosts like that are a thing in any game, lol
dry copper
241mb update cyberpunk hmm
@cinder vessel A small stat increase to over-all damage (for example) can increase damage per second by a lot
cinder vessel
looking at CP2077 quick look and for Reflexes it's like, "Increase crit chance by +1%", lmao
passive evasion improvement of +1%
cinder vessel
I'm sure, it's just so so 😴
dry copper
They're probably looking at it as a system of stats
cinder vessel
And that's my mindset towards any game that does this, so don't think I'm just raggin' on CP2077
cinder vessel
It's just what I'm lookin' at right now makin' me think about it
dry copper
So...apparently I got a bunch of rewards.
cinder vessel
I think what I was playing earlier (Bionic Dues) has some similar percentage boost junk and I'm just 😴 towards it, lol
dry copper
Wolf school jacket, Black unicorn, Wolf School tshirt, Shupe the Troll Plushy and Galaxy tshirt
broken prairie
the small increases are incremental and are meant for stacking, like in valhalla once u invest into one skill u r far stronger in it, its a common theme
if all upgrades were like 25 or 50 percent, it would be harder to balance
also 1% extra crit chance can be godly depending what game it is and what crits do
cinder vessel
i know, game by game basis and such
austere lance
cinder vessel
I just feel so much more disinterested seeing percentage improvements over direct +[x] whatever. Not that that's saying much, considering I also see only stat improvements as largely uninteresting as well
ergh, twitter video compression not helping convey that at all, lol
wet warren
Has that person forgotten there is supposed to be a patch? Because I'm pretty sure the patch would fix something like that
fleet moat
Omg love your pfp 
@wet warren
wide kestrel
Full image
when i first saw you with that pfp i thought a new person was mod lmao
wet warren
What makes you say I'm not a new person 👀
fleet moat
when i first saw you with that pfp i thought a new person was mod lmao
Same. I had to inspect
cinder vessel
So, seeing a quick look, skimming & listening to some 30+ hour takes on CP2077, and watching SkillUp's review on CP2077, pretty sure I'm good just waiting on it.
In the meantime I'm def. gonna revisit my existing cyberpunk/scifi games tho.
willow crypt
just watched skill ups as well
cinder vessel
If you're in a similar boat & would like some recommendations, feel free to hit me up.
Right away I'm gonna tell ya this year's scifi/cyberpunk game for me is Umurangi Generation.
like c'mon
willow crypt
it is a red panda tho
austere lance
dry copper
I'm liking the game.
Though I ran into a funny bug.
I bumped into a NPC and the NPC along with everyone in the area reacted like I punched her in the face
They're all cowaring.
glass plinth
Man, this game is good on pc
daring spear
It isnt hard to find tanuki images, why did they use a red panda
Did they think no one would notice
Not even any image of a red panda. The one that's on mist conservation ads for them even
Most*
cinder vessel
for fun probably, lol
it's not a sign near the ground or anything, ya kinda have to go out of your way to find it
daring spear
Ah
cinder vessel
ngl tho i forgot they were real
daring spear
Lmao
cinder vessel
thx anime
raven frost
||ah yes, just found a sniper rifle on a roof, just casually, you know, as you normally do||
balmy plaza
Finding sniping and stealth fun
Now I can get more damage with the melee, the katana feels like a better skyrim
charred badge
stealth archer go
austere lance
@balmy plaza What kind of stealth is it? I've read it's like Deus Ex
sleek cloud
Anyone playing this on a 2080ti?
balmy plaza
@austere lance it's basically the usual crouching around stealth. Not like ubisoft though; there's no hiding in bushes to be invisible etc. You can use hacking to distract and soften up enemies too
So I guess it's a bit deus ex in that regard
Not seen any invisibility yet though
austere lance
Do you just sneak up on enemies and do executions?
balmy plaza
You grab them from behind
From there you can walk around with them, knock them out or kill them
If you move them to a container you can dump them as per usual stealth mechanics
But a lot of the time you don't need to take anyone out if you do it right
Or you could build around stealth damage and use a silenced pistol
austere lance
If you move them to a container you can dump them as per usual stealth mechanics
Hitman style? 
balmy plaza
Looks pretty OK on xbox one x too
austere lance
Already down to a 7/10
bronze wind
it's good but definitely not amazing
feels so boring just walking around
nothing to do unless you find a random group of dudes to kill for street cred
missions are fun but enemies are a bit too bullet spongey. I get why but they kill me faster than I can kill them most of the time lol
austere lance
Aren't there a billion side missions to the point where the map looks like crowded hell, lol