other-games

[sleek cloud]

oo interesting

[shadow tartan]

Too much of a good thing

So maybe I'll wait to replay it all

Wish it was all coming out around the same time

[sleek cloud]

she's definitely aged a good 10+ years

[shadow tartan]

If they give the 2nd one the same treatment

[shadow tartan]

They made her more attractive

[sleek cloud]

agreed, more my age now 😄

[shadow tartan]

Generous

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Variable State made Virginia and The Last Stop
JB also gets involved with the government to try and get help and support for the industry.
People worth supporting imo

[inland oasis]

the illumnate really need fucking tweaked. that was irritating. for a difficulty 1 wtf

[shadow tartan]

My brother, you are the gift that keeps on giving 🫂

[inland oasis]

stupid flying drones take like 5-6 shotgun shots. the big dude with the hammers are TOO tanky, AND get shields.

[coarse swift]

[inland oasis]

things ATE 6 rockets from my sentry

on diff 1

[shadow tartan]

Bruh

The fuck

[inland oasis]

where tf you lob the grenade to blow up the ships? i tried throwing em in the door but theres an invisible wall/sheild

[coarse swift]

2-3 charged purifier shots deal with them for me

[inland oasis]

the first like 10 minutes were cool. felt like i was fighting halo flood lol

[coarse swift]

Probably a bug or oversight there
I just use orbital precision to deal with ships

[inland oasis]

then shit wouldnt die..

[shadow tartan]

I was gonna try stuff out in a bit, I just use a 500 or air strike like I do on other factions

You mean the ones on the ground right?

[inland oasis]

yea, i had to use my orbital laser

[coarse swift]

I'm sure the faction will be tuned better soon

[shadow tartan]

I found 500 more efficient

[inland oasis]

yea it just came out, im not like pissed about it but it deff needs something tweaked. i felt like i was on a difficulty 4-5. not a 1.

[shadow tartan]

You know what I'm gonna say

[inland oasis]

gitbad

[coarse swift]

Note for striders: aim for the mohawk after taking shield down, prevents it from coming back

[shadow tartan]

Turrets are good too

Just saying in general

Since the buffs

[inland oasis]

the big shield dude are the ones that piss me off. my own accuracy is why i hate the drones. but thats a ME issue. the big dudes, they hit me and do 50% my hp in a shot. run as fast as me with light armor, if not faster. same with the drones. couldnt even outrun them

[shadow tartan]

And they knock you down

And have range on their alien pokey stick

Blitzer sorted them out bruv

Propah sorted

[inland oasis]

yea they seem like a Difficulty 3 and up archetype

[coarse swift]

I know the faction needs some tuning but I like the difficulty so far

It's refreshing

[inland oasis]

i wasnt expecting to get spanked like that on a diff 1

not that i didnt like it

[coarse swift]

You liked that spanking eh?

[shadow tartan]

It's just so cool seeing the glowing lights through the dust and then the silhouettes of the Voteless and Harvesters

[inland oasis]

i had to use my safeword

[shadow tartan]

Risbeak was with me earlier and we were on a lower difficulty, they don't fuck around during extraction

[inland oasis]

the illuminate are awesome. the designs and ideas are really cool. the new explosive containers. i learned the hard way

[coarse swift]

High ground really helps with the husks

[inland oasis]

i was using a gas rover, that thing prolly wasdnt the best choice

i think fire might do well

or arc thrower

my aim is so ass so that chaining is helpful

[shadow tartan]

Did you see the fire hydrants pissing out water when they get taken out?

[coarse swift]

I fucking love the name they use for those husks

[shadow tartan]

Bet that's what those squid bastards want

[coarse swift]

The Voteless

[inland oasis]

i didnt pay attention to that. no, but i did find the car first game 😄

"squid ship sighted!"

[shadow tartan]

They took away their......... freedom!

[shadow tartan]

That's cool af too, watching the saucers coming in

[inland oasis]

oh can we mention how AWESOME the city feeling is? i just wish some areas had more wall openings

[shadow tartan]

And then blasting the fuckers out of the sky

[shadow tartan]

It looks cool but it's so broken

Worth it though

[inland oasis]

the AI pathing is so stupid atm

[shadow tartan]

Runnin the streets

[inland oasis]

i was ontop of a crate and they just went to the other side n stood there

[shadow tartan]

Yeah it's pretty busted

But when you see them coming down the road at you...

Fu fu fu fu Fu fuuuuuck

[inland oasis]

i do enjoy how slow they are, however there must be some diff variant cuz i had one hauling ass faster than me, but it looked like one of the normies

[shadow tartan]

I only have the bigger ones moving fast after me

[inland oasis]

hmm, maybe i got slowed by a drone, but youd think theyd all be faster then.

[shadow tartan]

It's the Overseers that I thought were a little underwhelming

They were a mofo in the first game

They'd surround you and they had shields

[inland oasis]

SEAF, that ring area where you fill missles, be careful, they can walk right thru the wall

of the ring area

[shadow tartan]

Sorry I meant Observer

The flying eye things

And these bastards should come back too

[inland oasis]

orbeez

[shadow tartan]

The stratagem jamming rework is awesome too

[inland oasis]

uhhhh idk why but my armor just went pure black xD

typically white

[shadow tartan]

Family might disown you now

[coarse swift]

Is that the first super credits weapon?

[shadow tartan]

Yeah bruv

I bought that and unlocked the one in Warbond

[coarse swift]

Still need to earn the super creds

Capped on medals tho

[shadow tartan]

Yeeeee

Looks like an easy Warbond

Stuff in there is pretty tight

[chilly scaffold]

Borderlands 4 looks pretty good
The two villains very menacing

The siren looks like ava in a grunge phase lol

[coarse swift]

Can't say I'm interested at all with how the story of 3 went

I'll get it on sale real cheap a year after it comes out

[chilly scaffold]

Three was kinda light in the story department but gameplay pretty fun

[coarse swift]

To each their own but if a story gets butchered for a game I enjoy then the gameplay is soured

[chilly scaffold]

The story was better for me on a replay with the irl issues of YouTube personalities and streamers

[coarse swift]

Comparing irl streamer problems to the antagonists of BL3 is a very weird take

[chilly scaffold]

That's what bl3 was parodying to begin with

So irl getting weirder directly makes the parody better

[coarse swift]

Doesn't change the shitty plot device that is Ava

[chilly scaffold]

I liked ava but I was pre aware of the deleted scene before playing

I know majority opinion is she sucks

[summer elm]

behold my screenshot

[summer elm]

and she said something right

there

easter egg to cyberpunk world

[inland oasis]

"requesting sentry" x8 lmao. everyone had turret loadouts xD

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jheqpE6YFi3zkor0u?invite=cr-MSxlSFcsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

[sleek cloud]

i love this reference

[summer elm]

Yep a good one

[obtuse reef]

Engineer gaming

[inland oasis]

It kicked asssss

I practically stood around

[obtuse reef]

the new armor set bonus looks pretty good

I wonder how it works with laser weapons

[inland oasis]

probably useless if u asked me

i mean u can reload them if u overload it

maybe it adds a longer charge

[obtuse reef]

Possibly

I wonder how good the stun lance is. It doesn't list any numbers other than recoil

[coarse swift]

Oh the leaks are so good

[inland oasis]

i wonder if it even does damage or just stops an enemy in its tracks temporarily

[coarse swift]

What a great armor, save for the helm

And that's light

[inland oasis]

😮

[obtuse reef]

And what's this? A weapon in the super store?

[coarse swift]

It's a very good thing that super credits are earnable

[obtuse reef]

I wonder if this is going to be something we'll be seeing often

[coarse swift]

Perk for that armor

This is my next main

[obtuse reef]

I know I should be saving my SC for warbonds and what not, but I kind of want to get the stun baton just to make Combine jokes

[coarse swift]

Explosive precision and med pen, sign me tf up

[coarse swift]

I'm gonna for sure

[obtuse reef]

yeah, you know what? fuck it, I can get more SC later

Is it smart to try and beat a highly advanced alien with an electrified stick? no. Am I going to do so anyways? Yes.

[coarse swift]

Yes, it is smart

[obtuse reef]

I actually don't have any armor with that passive

[coarse swift]

Better get some then because melee is back on the menu

Just need them to add a sword now

[obtuse reef]

Cavalry saber would fit well

[coarse swift]

Cannot WAIT to be home

[obtuse reef]

there's a guy in the lobby I'm in playing halo music over his mic

[coarse swift]

Rightfully so

It's warthog time

[inland oasis]

we fightin the flood

[obtuse reef]

now he's playing doom eternal music with the opening monologue

[shadow tartan]

They're here

[quartz ferry]

How is the Helldivers update?

[obtuse reef]

good

[inland oasis]

wonderful 😄 took a lil to find a loadout im good against em with.

[obtuse reef]

I'm still goofing around with the stun baton

it's actually very good against single targets because it stunlocks them

[coarse swift]

Very eager to try out the melee stuff

[inland oasis]

using all 4 turrets is rly fun 😄

Gatling, machine gun, rocket, and either mortar, or autocannon

[obtuse reef]

but it attacks quickly enough to still be usable against groups

[coarse swift]

Oh and the new frontal shield

[inland oasis]

i can create killboxes and killfunnnels

the streets of the cities become halls of death xD

[obtuse reef]

I'm going to grind a bit of SC so I can get the Viper Commandos warbond for the armor

[inland oasis]

i wish there were more ways to farm SC.

like in the same amounts. but just other ways

[obtuse reef]

I'm just going to run a bunch of difficulty one missions until I either get bored of it or until I get enough SC

[inland oasis]

yea, u do the back out method?

[obtuse reef]

No, because I find that kinda cheesy

Just running the easiest missions still feels a bit cheesy for me, but I don't want to spend money

[inland oasis]

i still dont know how to blow up the ships

on ground

besides stratagems

[obtuse reef]

take down the shields with small arms fire and toss two explosive grenades in the door

[inland oasis]

i mean i see the sheild and loaded into it

it dont die

ive thrown all 3 thermites on the thing

still has a sheild

[obtuse reef]

well, I did that and that worked

[inland oasis]

also, this is on the door

[obtuse reef]

gas grenades work as well

[inland oasis]

i cant even bust the sheild

[obtuse reef]

Are you using the blitzer on the shield?

or another weapon?

[inland oasis]

nah im using the scythe

laser

[obtuse reef]

It might be funky with lasers

[inland oasis]

but im saying even all 3 of my nades dont take down the sheild

it has to be shot?

[obtuse reef]

I believe so

[inland oasis]

ahh

[shadow tartan]

It changes colour and then dissipates

[inland oasis]

ive never even seen it any color but blue

[shadow tartan]

Goes from blue to purple

[inland oasis]

xD

[shadow tartan]

Some enemies do the same when you hit them with Arc or Blitzer

Gonna try using the Prototype armour because of their Tesla towers

@inland oasis I can come jump into a mission with you and shoot you in the face if you like

[inland oasis]

i can do that myself :3

[shadow tartan]

It's more fun when a friend person you know does it

[inland oasis]

damn i feel dumb

i just broke a sheild

popped it in 2 seconds with the laser xD

[obtuse reef]

lol

[austere lance]

Warframe 1999 update has 70 pages of patch notes 💀

[winter yew]

Do you guys believe astrobot deserved goty

Or should something else have won

[coarse swift]

I don't really care

[inland oasis]

180 more creds till i got the new warbond

lesgo

[obtuse reef]

lemme know how good the new melee weapon is

[inland oasis]

what slot does it take?

primary?

[obtuse reef]

secondary

[inland oasis]

ooo

thats not too shabby

[obtuse reef]

I want to know if this stun baton was a bad idea to purchase or not

[inland oasis]

so u bought it but hadnt used it yet?

[obtuse reef]

no, I am using the stun baton

but I want to know if it was worth the 200 SC or not

[inland oasis]

ohhhh THAT one

i dont see the point when you can get the first one in the warbond

the stun lance

[obtuse reef]

maybe so people who don't want to get the warbond can still try out a similar melee weapon

[inland oasis]

ah yea 200 SC rather than saving a thou, true

i was gonna say bond medals are easier to get tho

but yea ud have to unlock the warbond

[obtuse reef]

I ended up finding two bunkers on a difficulty one mission, which would've been fantastic if I wasn't playing solo rn

[inland oasis]

best mission i ever had was a triple

only once

[sonic sonnet]

150k helldivers to wipe floor with illuminate

[inland oasis]

and i was alone 😦

[sonic sonnet]

M playing now...
Alone too

[inland oasis]

i been hoppin into randoms

[obtuse reef]

I'm currently playing solo, but I have the voices to keep me company

[shadow tartan]

It's ok mate, we're all used to it

[sonic sonnet]

DANG ...THE ZOMBIE SWARM IS RUTHLESS

BLOODY MOFO SHEILDS

[winter yew]

It is what it is

[coarse swift]

Dude I'm overwhelmed

[shadow tartan]

Need a tissue?

Having fun?

[coarse swift]

Helldivers update
Warframe update
Slime Rancher update
Still getting thru Factorio
Still getting thru Satisfactory Christmas

[shadow tartan]

I did this

[coarse swift]

And still waiting on Space Marine to be balanced

[shadow tartan]

And played a lil Spell Brigade

[coarse swift]

Good game

[shadow tartan]

It was really good

Improved on all the annoying stuff from the first one

[coarse swift]

I still need to play it

[shadow tartan]

Combat was so much better too

[inland oasis]

bonk bonk bonk

[obtuse reef]

drive-by ass beating

[winter yew]

https://x.com/mixedmartialarx/status/1867343147900051900 I guess the disco elysium dev in trouble

Argo Tuulik (@mixedmartialarx) on X

Fighting a malignant millionaire CEO has brought me and my family on the verge of a very real bankruptcy.

This is not a drill, I genuinely need your help. Please, take a look at my fundraiser and share it if you can.

https://t.co/Bmvl0M0GGC

Twitter · Dec 12, 2024, 10:57 PM

[dry copper]

This plea reads like the disconnected ramblings of an alcoholic writer describing a fever dream.

[chilly scaffold]

Ironically that sums up his game

It cool planescape style rpg but it has issues

[dry copper]

He was one of the writers. It wasn't his game.

I love how individuals claim the whole art project.

[chilly scaffold]

The disclaimer at the start of the go fund me is mildly concerning, he name dropped too hard and broke the TOS

[dry copper]

Sounds like he got into bed with another studio, quit the team and they sued for breach and filed for an injunction because he was sharing their trade secrets with another studio he wanted to work with

So they are rightly going after him for compromising the integrity of a future release they've spent probably millions developing

The more vague he describes the situation, the worse it makes it look for him

[chilly scaffold]

"This fight has brought me and my family to the brink of bankruptcy, and every now and then I hear faint whispers, friendly advice from the dark: "Take it... Ssssssettle... Sssssettle with the Claimant... This can all go away if you just kneel before him and kiss the ring. He'll grow tired and move on... Ssssssettle..."

Very weirdly written

[dry copper]

Dude wants to use left over funding to try and claim ownership of Disco Elysium.

I wonder how Robert Kurvitz feels about Argo Tuulik trying to claim a game based on his novel

Or if Tuulik even bothered to rope Robert in

[chilly scaffold]

On alot of these projects one dude usually the main writer just claims it as theirs

[dry copper]

Which in this case is Robert Kurvitz

The founder of ZA/UM

[chilly scaffold]

I concur it's a fishy at best , malicious at worst go fund me

[dry copper]

What they fucked up most on is giving too much power to investors to direct the studio

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this evil millionaire donated to his gofundme

[chilly scaffold]

I unconsciously ignore when people say stuff like that
It's like the person with money not letting me get my way being evil is the normalized standard

[dry copper]

Reading the history of Disco Elysium, they rubbed shoulders with a lot of investors...that were not evil...that had interests to look out for beyond their immediate concerns

https://www.eurogamer.net/disco-elysium-legal-battle-reaches-court-centres-on-alleged-48m-fraud

[dusk portal]

Has anyone here tried disco Elysium?

Ohh would you look at that

[chilly scaffold]

Yes it's an alright planescape style rpg

[dusk portal]

You're talking about it already

[chilly scaffold]

It's too old school for its own good in my opinion but that shouldn't stop you if you were interested

[dusk portal]

What type of players find it attractive

[chilly scaffold]

I don't understand the question

[dusk portal]

I'm incapable of wording it better
Not very good at English

Genre perhaps?

You know, like how baldurs gate attracts a certain type of players

Or MOBA games

[chilly scaffold]

Ah, well as I mentioned it plays like planescape
A mostly text based choices matter rpg

[dry copper]

Disco Elysium is an isometric strategy RPG with a divergent narratively driven storyboard lending a sense of choice and consequence to each playthrough.

For games of a similar nature, see: Divinity, Original Sin, 1 and 2 (more 2), Baldur's Gate 1, 2 and 3, but mostly 3, Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2, Pathfinder....the list goes on and on

What sets Disco Elysium apart from the pack is its setting

More modern, less magic, more social commentary

Your character is not powerful.

Hell. You can't even get powerful. In Disco Elysium you're either using your brain or losing it.

Humble Bundle doing a new bundle daily until christmas

[winter yew]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/humble-bundles-revoked-all-those-indiana-jones-keys-it-gave-away-for-free-even-if-it-was-already-in-your-steam-library/

[inland oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jhh4Wbb1QPgrlEOaI?invite=cr-MSxoVUcsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

Breakdancing car ^_^

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jhighv6qei4DAcVaT?invite=cr-MSxLQ2ksMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

My most honorable sacrifice xD

[shadow tartan]

@inland oasis see 10 wasn't that bad

Whiny mofo

[inland oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jhBv1XFR9ohfgRGwZ?invite=cr-MSxLZEUsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

HMG GOATED

also there was a time i swear to god...

you kept walking in front of it

[shadow tartan]

Hahaahaha

Yeah I did

[inland oasis]

LIKE MUHFUCKA MOVE

XD

[shadow tartan]

I like dying to turrets

Especially MG ones

You get shredded

Your body turns into giblets

[inland oasis]

like i get strafing while shooting. but DO YOU NOT see the stream of lead flying past you!?

DONT walk into that!

[shadow tartan]

We had the whole thing covered so I thought fuck it

See all that shit during extraction

It's so much fun now

[inland oasis]

good thing im american and have a disiplined trigger finger 💀

[shadow tartan]

Carnage

[shadow tartan]

I know you chose to shoot me before

[inland oasis]

lets just say if we were running from a strider id totally melee you to get away

feed em to the wolves

[shadow tartan]

You and @coarse swift

Always going for my bad knee

[inland oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/allstate-gotta-be-quicker-than-that-fishing-gif-11607646

also, i went totally reticleless now too. if you havent id recommend it. less obstructive line of sight, and most guns come with a laser anyways

[shadow tartan]

And because it's probably still a bit off

[inland oasis]

i dont like some of the reticles in general. like the styles. i prefer a tiny tiny DOT

thats it

not like the triangle with a circle in it. a cross. a this or that

the way they implement it now is kinda cool. its off because its trying to simulate where your aiming vs where the bullets and recoil are going to be placing your shots.

blends it together

[shadow tartan]

Yeah

Laser weapons don't have any issues

Scorcher though

Wild sometimes

I think the shields reflect Quasar shots btw

This looked awesome

All going for Brit's ass

[inland oasis]

thats was me down there with em ^_^

[shadow tartan]

I need to test that Quasar thing more but it kept happening with the Harvesters

[inland oasis]

that wouldnt surprise me also btw

[shadow tartan]

All 3 of you in that bunker and 3 ships came

[inland oasis]

since u gotta pop sheilds to do shit

[shadow tartan]

I thought Quasar would just remove the shield

Nope

[inland oasis]

i even fell over and dropped my sentry orb

it was chaos

[shadow tartan]

Such good chaos

[inland oasis]

the sentry tbf i think saved me

[shadow tartan]

They rack up kills too

[inland oasis]

forreal i had like a 95x streak once turning the city streets into a funnel

the gatling ones actually my fave out of em all tbh

[shadow tartan]

Yeah Gatling is way better now

[inland oasis]

machine gun second, then auto or rocket

and now HMG is god tier

its as good as i make it

[shadow tartan]

3/10

[inland oasis]

That’s why it’s replaceable. But when used correctly

It staggers the tripods if you shoot the eye

Stops the laser

Most badass feeling it’s diving out of the way of it sometimes 😝

[inland oasis]

https://youtu.be/BOR3SmBp1LM?si=-PM1LqVRmI5AYVbD

fucking nuts

NO damage. Is just…HOW

[shadow tartan]

One of the other guys we play with has the world record for solo speedruns I think

People innit

Some don't suck

[inland oasis]

Even still speed is somewhat something you can control but not getting hit by ANYTHING? Idk that just sounds impossible lmao

[shadow tartan]

Practice

[inland oasis]

You can’t practice for randomness

[shadow tartan]

You can practice to understand patterns though

It's like people that don't get hit in bullet hell games

[inland oasis]

Yea but what im saying is ontop of even the best skilled person, it still seems like it’d be impossible due to the fact you literally can’t predict everything. Or every projectile, or just sheer randomness like if a jump pack ragdolls you.

Or the sudden random quakes

Literal John helldiver

[tranquil glen]

😭

why, just another game to achievement hunt for.. atleast it gives me reason to 100% actual game now tho lol ive yet to finish msq

[upper glade]

I love Civ quotes.

[dry copper]

Fun TiMeS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFZIKMlJcWw

Mirror organisms can not be resisted by natural systems because these organisms would not be recognized by the immune system and there are no known predators to these man-made life forms.

https://tenor.com/view/look-hole-search-peek-natalie-portman-gif-11156578

[barren sparrow]

Did they make any "mirror" bacteria?

Iirc There is an artificial sweetener that is the "mirror" version of sugar and body just doesn't metabolise it not bc human body doesn't recognise the compound but bc it doesn't have enzymes to break it down so they just get expelled out of your body. It's build up can be toxic tho

Does a human made bacteria that is made out of "mirror" compounds can even survive in standard environment? Can its "mirror" metabolism even get energy from "not-mirrored" sugar? Human body can't get energy from "mirror" sugar that doesn't even accur naturally

Do we even know if such organisms can pose threat to life as we know it?

Natural selection is a very chaotic process but if "mirror" life could outperform standard life in any way we would see it in Nature, not in labs-only

All of that story sounds weird and like an exaggeration of a problem that doesn't exist while calling to ban research that has not proved to be directly harmful. Does any lab even try to create "mirrored" bacteria? Afaik it's research focused on developing new medicines and similar

If you want to create a threat to humanity there are simpler ways

Just become a doctor and start prescribing insufficient dosages of antibiotics to sick people.

They will still get better while you get to slowly breed new strain of antibiotics-resistant diseases

[obtuse reef]

Ah, I see they got Super Earth's finest intelligence officers investigating the Illuminate

[dry copper]

No. Mirror molecules exist. They are used for therapies. Not full sized organisms. Mirror molecules can be used to create mirror cells which can be used to create mirror organisms.

These scientists want to create regulations to limit this specific science in the interests of preventing the research ending up in the hands of bad actors. A mirror organism is entirely man-made, but there's no reason it could not be designed to survive in a standard environment.

We use mirror molecules in therapies for treating cancer. The therapies using mirror molecules is cutting edge.

Natural selection is the concern respecting mirror organisms. Once the organism is out in nature and it can self replicate (one of the functions of a cell), natural selection will introduce it to a world with no immediate way of addressing it. Nature may be able to address a biological man made mirror life form over time, but that isn't something that happens over night so this organism could pose a threat to all biological life it interacts and competes for energy with.

[charred badge]

Easier just to over prescribe antibiotics and make them all useless

[charred badge]

I mean, living things can still be killed, even if eating them isn't possible for a long time.
Of course, we have those bacteria that evolved in a very short time to eat citrate as an example.
If something exists, something else eats it.

And I mean, the whole breathing oxygen thing happened

[dry copper]

Mirror bacteria wouldn't be evolved. It would be as if we took a life form that already existed and changed it at such a fundamental level, all the things that evolved to deal with it no longer could and had to start over. Not saying that there's nothing in nature that could deal with it - but the caution is about preventing overwhelming natural evolution from addressing real world biological threats.

Hopefully this means we're going to have silicon based life soon.

[charred badge]

What would it eat?

[dry copper]

Imagine how much of a nightmare human beings would be to a silicon based lifeform

[charred badge]

An organism that current life can't interact with, probably can't interact back

[dry copper]

They probably couldn't live on earth

At least, not with the oxygen

[crisp cargo]

Stellaris is long and hard

The the game is pretty good nonetheless

Galactic chess

[mental rose]

It's got lot of depth to it, doesn't it?
I like space 4X and Stellaris almost instantly hooked me in. Which was almost scary.

Not long after, I had bought almost all the DLC as well (not at full price though) 😄

[inland oasis]

I typically dislike those types of games. But after playing rimworld I decided I’d give stellaris a try a long time ago. Had no idea what I was doing but it was hella fun. And I imagine only got better

[tranquil glen]

that looked like MHWorld a second lol

MHworld 40k years later

[crisp cargo]

I still haven’t gotten the sixth expansion yet. But I have the rest of the expansions

I formed my reliable strategy for almost all empires.

Tech-rushing and civilian economy early on.

[mental rose]

That's something I learned only recently myself, playing with my brother and his friends.
Let's you stock up CG.

[pure zinc]

I love that game

[pure zinc]

Why old fortnite was good

Double pumpage

[pseudo lodge]

Someone here who remembers this game

[inland oasis]

It gives me “midtown madness” vibes

[inland oasis]

“The harder ya pump it the harder it hits! That’s how shotguns work!”

[dry copper]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PmkZ0CNwCoI

[dry copper]

https://youtu.be/9AHhooToIbM

Back then they only had to tell you on the label that may cause anal leakage

[pseudo lodge]

Its a game where you have to run from some cars, I was always scared when I played it as a kid because the cars used to come out of nowhere suddenly

[inland oasis]

Pokey shtick! >:D

[tranquil glen]

Where are the warring na’vvi

Aka illuminate

[inland oasis]

gone temporarily

we beat em

well, the first wave lol

[tranquil glen]

We did that a century ago tho LOL

The first wave

[inland oasis]

this was the second first wave <_< XD

[tranquil glen]

ik ik LOL didnt think it was over before i got to it, was told by a vet of the last century that uhh next time theyd come theyd come in mass..

[inland oasis]

apperently what we fought now was only a vangaurd

[tranquil glen]

Would kinda be cool if we had a battle of four armies

[inland oasis]

i wanna get ambushed lol. while fighting bugs suddenly they show up or some shit

[tranquil glen]

But like everyone

Us, the blues, the bots the bugs

[inland oasis]

i wouldnt be against that too

[tranquil glen]

The actual game bugs as well

[inland oasis]

illuminate showed me how strong using only turrets is. xD i cant stop using em

like my cooldown for them, is so short i can have 2 of the same kind up. as long as it doesnt run outta ammo before the cooldown

[tranquil glen]

Whys coding hard, made a button (visual button lacking interaction) but i also dont know how to add interaction

[inland oasis]

OMFG I HATE BUGHOLES

goddamnit

they need to fix this shit

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jinVCPA6o5GgVuZ-8?invite=cr-MSxQbEYsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

Like, what the actual FUCK. even the nade didnt blow it up.

literally ragequit that match cuz that was so annoying

[shadow tartan]

Bad Sportsmanship: Wukong

I prepared my victory speech 2 years ago

[inland oasis]

MMM love to see it

[obtuse reef]

I only ever see one or two stars when playing with my friends because they’re not that good at the game

Half the time they’re worth less than the bullets in their guns

It doesn’t help that we tend to have a… tasteful amount of “accidentals”

[shadow tartan]

@inland oasis did you buy your whip

[obtuse reef]

Oh yeah, can’t we buy the FRV now?

[shadow tartan]

Yup

[obtuse reef]

I was in a lobby with a guy who used an exploit or something to get access to infinite FRVs

[obtuse reef]

It was really funny because the extraction site was just full of FRVs

I ended up ubering my entire team to extract on one mission

[tranquil glen]

Why can’t we exploit for infinite samples

[shadow tartan]

Nah we can't buy it yet

Ministry lies

[obtuse reef]

Well they’re still making them

[shadow tartan]

Not like we don't have requisition

The never ending resource

[obtuse reef]

The ministry of truth never lies. It’s in the name

[tranquil glen]

I do have req

Rek yo bots 🤖

[inland oasis]

i been capped on req since lvl 15

[obtuse reef]

The only thing I spent my req on recently was a ship upgrade, I think I’m close to the cap again anyways

It probably helps that I almost exclusively play on super-helldive difficulty

[dry copper]

It would be cool if in Astrometica they made it so resources could crash into your base and damage it

You get the choice: Capture rocks or defend against them and go exploring for them.

Or you can do both by building some automated capture tech

I do like Cyberpunk's new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtoscKyXD0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQV6pwP-fKA

qubits for life

https://www.coursera.org/learn/quantum-error-correction

[dry copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuAmjVJJ1R0

[inland oasis]

im working my way towards the fire turret now. i cant wait

[obtuse reef]

I think Helldivers does a good job at making every faction horrible in their own way. Super Earth is an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy, brainwashing its citizens into compliance and executing those who refuse. The Terminids are an unfeeling and all-consuming swarm of nightmarish killing machines. The Automatons are ruthless and soulless machines that are willing to do anything to achieve their goals, even if that’s torturing and killing innocent civilians. The Illuminate are horrifying aliens that twist and mutate innocent people to serve as mindless slaves in a desperate bid to punish those that defeated them over a hundred years ago

[dry copper]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-guy-billie-eilish-duh-when-we-all-fall-asleep-where-to-go-gif-14497981

[obtuse reef]

I mean, it’s the same deal with WH40k, it’s easier to sympathize with the humans because you are human, even though the human faction is just as bad if not worse than the other factions

Although Super Earth actually does care about its citizens at least a little bit

The quality of life of the average SE citizen is probably pretty high

[shadow tartan]

NO FUCKING WAY SCREAMER IS BACK
https://youtu.be/Jn90J1lM5WI

[austere lance]

LET'S GOOOOOO, JEFF GANG
https://vxtwitter.com/theguidesguy/status/1868703711889104998?s=46&t=cV9eMRDkzxaw8dZA3Nve0A

[dry copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwXgdHnxHA

[fathom kestrel]

Is the Playstation Portal a seperate console yet or does it still rely on PS5 Bluetooth?

[inland oasis]

damn this a pretty planet

[shadow tartan]

It streams over WiFi but you can play from the cloud if you have Premium sub

[obtuse reef]

That actually is a pretty nice planet

Unlike most others, it doesn’t look like a shithole

[inland oasis]

it felt like arizona until the firenados attacked

[obtuse reef]

Ah, there’s the catch

[inland oasis]

really a managable one. gets all red. and you can see em coming. only issue is if it hits while tryna extract, and hits on the extract itself.... which had just happened to me earlier lol

[obtuse reef]

Fortunately it’s a bug planet, so you actually have a reason to wear fire-proof armor other than to deal with the fire tornadoes

[inland oasis]

i have a turret addiction. like forreal

[obtuse reef]

I don’t use turrets that often

Mostly only during defensive missions, although I’d always bring a machine gun turret on Illuminate missions

The orbital railcannon strike has a permanent place in my loadout, though

[inland oasis]

gatling is great for hordes. machine gun is an all rounder, autcannon/rockets for heavies. Mounted HMG/whatever you prefer. (Your railcannon then)

also they attract aggro

[obtuse reef]

Machine gun is good for sentry spam

[inland oasis]

this is why i cant wait for fire turret. i wanna synergize the gatling + fire

[obtuse reef]

I also almost always bring a shield pack unless I’m running flamethrowers, then I run resupply pack

Or autocannon + fire

Autocannon to take down big boys, flamethrower to protect the autocannon

[inland oasis]

it hopefully, my plan, is that the fire will keep them mostly at bay or finish off whatever ones got sprayed down to get close to the sentries, and the fire finishes em off.

exactly

[obtuse reef]

My main issue with the sentries is just how limited their ammo is, even with the destroyer upgrade

[inland oasis]

also, sometimes i like the mortar. plop it down basically wherever. far enough away it dont get attacked and it has wild range

upgrade em

mine shoot like crazy

i have i think 3 of the upgrades

[obtuse reef]

Mortar is really good because you can put it almost anywhere and it can still be extremely effective

[inland oasis]

robotics wing iirc

[obtuse reef]

I think I have the fourth one

[inland oasis]

well sheiiittt

i think the ammo is incredible

[obtuse reef]

Third or fourth one

[inland oasis]

they usually die before they ever run out

or the timer goes away

exception with the gatling occasionally

[obtuse reef]

It could be that I don’t really think about my sentry placement and they either die too soon to be useful or they run out of ammo by shooting a really tanky enemy

[inland oasis]

placement is important lol. getting that timing of when they setup to firing, while they draw aggro, all while hoping they dont start gettin smacked, takes a bit to learn

[obtuse reef]

You’d think I’d be good at sentry placement with my most played character in TF2 being Engineer, but nope

I guess I’m just used to all of my shit in games being sustainable

[inland oasis]

i do waste em quite often still too. alot of times i put myself in shit situations where yea, id of been better off with another loadout. i force myself to try n kite, back off, be patient n come back. the cooldowns are so fast now. ive had 2 gatlings up at once.

[obtuse reef]

I mean, it shows with the way I play HD2. I almost only use energy weapons that have virtually infinite ammo, heavy armor, a shield pack to preserve my stims, and only use infinite use stratagems

I’m getting better at playing less cautiously, but I’m still really careful about ammo consumption

[inland oasis]

my dumbass uses the armor that makes reload speed and ammo cap higher, but use the scythe

[obtuse reef]

I recently got Viper Commandos, so I use that armor in conjunction with the stun baton, AKA the beating stick

Nothing feels better than giving hunters the ass beating of their miserable bug lives

[inland oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jinlh2x7O5Wi8dpIt?invite=cr-MSw0dGcsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

Speaking of, im Nasty wit it xD

[obtuse reef]

Is the taser stick actually good?

I kinda thought that the damage would be kinda bad

[inland oasis]

if you can hit them they get stunned for like 5-6 seconds

[obtuse reef]

Same with the stun baton

[inland oasis]

its all bout keeping just the right distance

dive and poke

almost alwatys gets the stun

i gotta count the pokes it took to take that one "medium" enemy down

[obtuse reef]

Supposedly the stun baton is a nonlethal weapon, but if you’ve got the Peak Physique passive the flimsy collapsible baton becomes a weapon of mass destruction

[inland oasis]

the lance is lethal

[obtuse reef]

I have a tendency to run down alpha commanders with the stun baton. It always feels good to watch the bugs run from you instead of vice versa

[inland oasis]

lil guys die in a poke

bigger light ones in like 2-3

then it jumps to like 10-12 for the bigger armored one

[obtuse reef]

From what you’re saying, the stun baton is a slightly weaker and short ranged version of the shock lance

[inland oasis]

but always stuns.

this is my experience with it. feels more like it should be a spear than a "baton"

which is nice

sure blunt force will kill too, or should. with more hits. but a spear got stabby stabs

[obtuse reef]

I have actually used the stun baton to sever limbs

“Blunt object” doesn’t mean jack shit if you hit something hard enough

It also seems like the stun baton swings much faster than the spear

Although I’m also in love with the triple barrel shotgun secondary that Viper Commados gives you

[inland oasis]

wonder if range is all that different

[obtuse reef]

It definitely is

[inland oasis]

maybe one faster, but the other longer range

[obtuse reef]

The stun baton requires you to be at almost point blank range

[inland oasis]

diving batswing!

[obtuse reef]

It can also hit multiple enemies at once, so you can actually just sit in a horde and swing to your hearts content

You need to have good timing though, because you absolutely have to be able to interrupt enemy melee attacks in order for it to be sustainable

I want the break action shotgun that you can find as a support weapon, but instead as a primary weapon

It only seems fair

[inland oasis]

speaking of hordes

https://medal.tv/games/yakuza-0/clips/jiuXp4D4GiZbIpna7?invite=cr-MSx4NUYsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

I taunted... and regret it immediately. im glad i turned on godmode xD

[obtuse reef]

The break action shotgun wouldn’t be useful as a support weapon on higher difficulties, so you should be able to use it as a primary to balance it out

[inland oasis]

its literally like the matrix scene where neo gets jumped

that thing is so in the wrong place as a heavy weapon

[obtuse reef]

I also love break action shotguns in games, they just feel so fun to use

That’s one reason I like the triple barrel shotgun secondary, it’s a great weapon you can use to punish lightly armored enemies for getting too close to you

The break action shotgun actually seems really good for both bots and bugs, as it’s spread seems tight enough to give you some accuracy at long ranges

[inland oasis]

its a multi barrelled m1 garand rifle

[obtuse reef]

It would be such a balanced weapon if it wasn’t in your support slot

[inland oasis]

xD

i forget the m1's in game name

constable?

[obtuse reef]

There’s not an M1

[inland oasis]

ya huh

[obtuse reef]

Constitution is the bolt action rifle

[inland oasis]

whatever it is

yea it looks like a bolt m1

[obtuse reef]

It’s not a garand, the garand is a semi-automatic battle rifle

The constitution isn’t super bad either, but it definitely lacks stopping power

[inland oasis]

yea, would be nice if it had an option for AP rounds

like the shotty with stun/flechettes

[obtuse reef]

It can carry you through earlier difficulties, it’s accurate, it packs a decent punch and it’s got a decent ammo capacity

[inland oasis]

i hate the ADS first person with it

its so zoomed out

[obtuse reef]

But when you bring your dinky little bolt action rifle to fight a twenty foot tall bug full of acid, it suddenly becomes a lot less viable

And you are correct, the iron sights don’t help anything

[inland oasis]

thats when you just throw the whole rifle at the thing xD

[obtuse reef]

Like a javelin lol

[inland oasis]

its got the bayonet xD

[obtuse reef]

Yup

The break-action shotgun doesn’t seem super bad on higher difficulties, it reloads quickly enough to make “mag dumping” possible and it still hits hard enough to take down weaker enemies in a single blast

It also has a “both barrels” firing option

[inland oasis]

ohhh i never even thought to check the weapon setting menu with it

i forget about that mechanic with alot of guns

[obtuse reef]

Yeah, the triple barrel shotgun also has that option

[inland oasis]

i gotta remember that

[obtuse reef]

Apparently it can one shot stalkers with all three barrels

I haven’t gotten a chance to test that theory though

[inland oasis]

id believe that

one thing i learned. my kryptonite are chargers

they are like honey badgers. they dgaf, and will charge my turrets face tanking it all.

then breaking it

[obtuse reef]

See, I can deal with chargers pretty easy as long as I’ve got my railcannon

[inland oasis]

ive got that dive timing down to a Tee

and the angle

[obtuse reef]

It one shots chargers and bile titans, fires almost immediately and it tracks

[inland oasis]

slightly at em but obv to the side

ran circles around one while a random lit it up too xD

[obtuse reef]

Although if I don’t got my railcannon I usually throw whatever stratagem I can at the charger

[inland oasis]

rail cannon tracks?

[obtuse reef]

Yeah

[inland oasis]

say wat

OH wait

[obtuse reef]

It homes in on and fires at the largest target within range

[inland oasis]

that aint the railgun

[obtuse reef]

Yeah, important distinction

[inland oasis]

lmao yea i instantly went railgun

[obtuse reef]

Railcannon is the big boy, railgun is the pea shooter

[inland oasis]

ive seen what u mean once.

its one shot

?

[obtuse reef]

It can be a little finicky, but I’ve found it can one shot chargers, bile titans, tanks, and hulks rather consistently

[inland oasis]

i mean capacity haha

[obtuse reef]

Oh, it’s infinite use with a decently short cooldown for its utility

It takes like two or so minutes between each use

[inland oasis]

i mean. the gun itself. is it one shot and done. then cooldown?

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/GdLLPRsgsV8

[obtuse reef]

Are we still talking about the railcannon or are we talking about the railgun now?

[inland oasis]

cuz i know it aint infinite shots

cannon

or thats my new go to

[obtuse reef]

Cannon is the big gun on the ship, just to confirm

It is infinite use

[inland oasis]

yes, im not asking if it has infnite uses. im asking SHOTS

one shot and done?

[obtuse reef]

Oh, it fires one shot and then cooldown

Yeah

[inland oasis]

okay lmao

you had me getting giddy when u said infinite uses

but yea ik what u mean

unlike eagle strikes

[obtuse reef]

The only downside to the railcannon is that it’s only good for extremely large enemies, it has almost no splash damage. You also have to be extremely careful about where you throw it, as if it’s not in range of what you want to hit it will shoot the next largest thing, which usually isn’t that big

[inland oasis]

that same planet from earlier xD

[sage furnace]

@rocky dune

[rocky dune]

Here

[sage furnace]

Is bro only playing commonwealth of man

[rocky dune]

Naw I create my own empires

[sage furnace]

Only humans I suppose

[rocky dune]

Sometimes machines

But rarely

[dry copper]

If Only Fans existed in the HellDivers universe.

[rocky dune]

Prolly does

[shadow tartan]

https://youtu.be/CqlI8OFvbBw

[obtuse reef]

goddammit, we just got rid of them

and it's on a jungle planet

[coarse swift]

You scared?

[obtuse reef]

no, just having malevalon creek flashbacks

I ain't scared of no damn space squid

[austere lance]

Y'all already lost more people to the squids in that city than you did in the entirety of the Creek, lol

[shadow tartan]

Only the weak are lost

[dry copper]

There goes Super Earth

[shadow tartan]

There goes the neighborhood

[dry copper]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-planet-of-the-apes-oh-shit-there-goes-the-planet-gif-16524287

[dawn topaz]

Minecraft anyone?

[dry copper]

ugh. Fucking Hinterland

Already talking The Long Dark 2 and they aren't even finished 1 yet

It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to delay the release of The Long Dark while they work on The Long Dark 2

[austere lance]

Their Steam page said The Long Dark hit 1.0, so I guess they consider it finished 😆

[inland oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/jiMdxXoWNE5F4iofz?invite=cr-MSxNRncsMTY4MzE4NDcxLA

Snakedivers

[dry copper]

and there's the rub...They don't even have to finish it. They could just never complete it. They could drag it on for 10 MORE years while telling their customers about their next big thing - Wholly aware of their gross incompetence and taking advantage of the trust and faith others have in their product as they lie by any other name.

[chilly scaffold]

https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1868728383137517952?s=46

[idle saffron]

https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1868728383137517952?s=46

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

#Balatro is now rated 18+ 🃏

The game's creator fires back:

"Since PEGI gave us an 18+ rating for having evil playing cards, maybe I should add microtransactions, loot boxes, and real gambling to lower that rating to 3+ like EA Sports FC"

Twitter · Dec 16, 2024, 6:42 PM

[chilly scaffold]

Thank you

[dry copper]

They should challenge the ruling on the definition of evil

[junior elk]

Frfr

[dry copper]

The reasoning for the rating was "simulated gambling" which is why Balatro is mocking PEGI

Not because of evil

The developer is right though. PEGI are ignoring real threats.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/balatro-receives-an-18-pegi-rating-unlike-games-that-feature-actual-gambling/

The ratings board is going to undermine its own legitimacy at this rate, making its utility useless in the market

[chilly scaffold]

It's definitely unfortunate situation, perhaps it'll get reversed

[dry copper]

I'm a little worried that these decisions in undermining the utility of these agencies are going to result in them being stripped of funding...

[obtuse reef]

I remember someone once fucked with the UK film ratings board (iirc) by making a several hour long film about paint drying.

[dry copper]

Did they rate it fuscia?

[mental rose]

Pokemon Gold/Silver also got higher age rating because of Goldenrod casino... which is so hypocritical.

[chilly scaffold]

I understand actual casino getting the rating
Make it kid friendly it's still a casino

[shadow tartan]

Is Balatro popular because it's a good game or because gambling is addictive?

Maybe he clicked the wrong thing on the PEGI form too when they ask you about images appropriate for young audiences

Because it's a form

[chilly scaffold]

You fill out the form it's not done for you like a review?

[shadow tartan]

Evil cards are lol

Smells like the thing BBFC used to do

[shadow tartan]

Usually you submit the form for ratings, they still do their own analysis

CERO and USK can be strict too

Wondering if he's appealed it because you can

All I've seen is procrastination

[dry copper]

Oh shit. Astrometica is 50% off

nm

I'm looking at the wrong website

Thief Simulator was such a shitty game

[shadow tartan]

@chilly scaffold no real surprise that PEGI did that though it's a poker game and they might be preempting backlash from parents that leave their kids in front of screens, in the article he's only mentioning games with some gambling mechanics, he didn't mention that games like Poker Prominence are rated PEGI 12 which could help his case

It's a bunch of politics too

[dry copper]

Superman and Lois is over now. I wonder if they'll be selling the complete series on sale soon

[obtuse reef]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Drying

That is the level of dedication and spite that I wish I had

[dry copper]

10 hours

Edited down from 14 hours

[obtuse reef]

Yeah, it would’ve been 14 hours if the kickstarter campaign raised more money

[dry copper]

Did anyone watch the full 10 hours tho

[obtuse reef]

The review board had to

In order for a film to receive a rating, it has to be watched in its entirety by a review board

The creator made it to protest against film censorship in the UK

[dry copper]

10 hours though long is still manageable. He should've made a 1500 hour long video.

Call it "Trees Being Trees"

[obtuse reef]

But the entire point of the film was to make the review board watch it, they wouldn’t have had to watch a video

[dry copper]

Why wouldn't they have to watch a 1500 hour long video if the price was paid for its rating?

[obtuse reef]

Because the board charges a per-minute rate

[dry copper]

It was 7 pounds per minute in the UK for a video to be reviwed

[obtuse reef]

That would be too costly

[dry copper]

630,000 pounds

[obtuse reef]

Not to mention the creator would’ve had to filmed 1500 hours of footage

[dry copper]

But when you want to rip them a new asshole, you do it in style

Not necessarily

[obtuse reef]

Yeah, another part of the protest was protesting the costs to independent film makers who might not be able to afford the cost for the review

[dry copper]

I mean obviously there would need to be 1500 hours of film.

Doesn't mean they had to record for 1500 hours.

[obtuse reef]

Paying 630,000 pounds to protest independent filmmakers being charged unfairly seems a bit counterintuitive

Also, I don’t think the guy can just pull 630,000 pounds out of his ass

[dry copper]

It's almost like it's not worth it to make films in the UK

[obtuse reef]

I think you’re missing the point here

[dry copper]

Imagine being paid 7 pounds a minute to watch a movie

$420 pounds an hour

[obtuse reef]

Less than 7 pounds a minute, the cost is likely split between the members of the review board

[dry copper]

Do they say how big a board is?

I imagine it would need to be at least 3

That is I'm assuming quarum rules.

[obtuse reef]

I don’t believe that the member count is fixed, or at least it’s not mentioned

It seems like the BBFC (the review board for Britain) has been pretty strict about what is allowed

They used to regulate video games as well until the PEGI system came into use

[shadow tartan]

GTA IV debacle here

At one point you couldn't enforce it at all during the interim

So you could sell the game to under 18s 🤣

[dry copper]

Imagine their reasoning for going after GTA 4....Glorifies violence...(So does the news), Adult themes (There are art museums with paintings of monsters eating babies), Promotes gambling (Wanna bet?)

[shadow tartan]

Who went after them?

[dry copper]

That was a theoretical for any censorship going after GTA 4.

[shadow tartan]

Oh

[dry copper]

Go to Switzerland and you can see a statue of a man eating a sack of babies

[shadow tartan]

Yeah I guess you can

But nobody is going to compare that

Parents have power

[dry copper]

Powaaaaa

[shadow tartan]

Similar reason why you're required to have moderators on a public discord server

[dry copper]

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/67321

Big changes coming to ESO

[shadow tartan]

LOL

[dry copper]

I wonder what happens now that Balatro has exposed PEGI for their hypocrisy (yet again)

Im guessing nothing

Nothing changes.

[shadow tartan]

Yeah it's only you few people that care

It's just another thing for the negative echo chamber

As I said he can appeal it and compare similar games, that's happened in the past

I understand that people here want to "fight the power" but you're saying that on a moderated discord server

[dry copper]

"fight the power"?

lol...PEGI is "the power"?

[shadow tartan]

Yeah people that have control

[shadow tartan]

Any of them

It's just the same as anything else that the group of people hate here

[dry copper]

I don't think pointing out an issue with hypocrisy is fighting the power.

[shadow tartan]

The other card games are 18 though

I sent the screenshots

And even mentioned he could argue that games like Poker Prominence should be rated higher

It's the same as when you get a Teen rating but you are aiming for E for everyone

You get the report and make the changes if you want the rating

[dry copper]

So I guess your issue is that presumably they never contested the rating and are being childish

[shadow tartan]

I don't have an issue really, it's just a process. The issue may be that it sets a precedence for all poker/gambling games

Then everyone can contest their ratings undoing all the work people have done to stop kids being exposed to gambling

[fallen notch]

It may be that you can contest ratings you receive, but not ones received by others?

[shadow tartan]

You can use them as comparisons in some cases, but if Balatro gets a lower rating what is stopping Hasbro from doing the same

That's why I mentioned politics

Because this happens

Some sexy email chains

Mmmm

@fallen notch you can do the same with first party submissions if you know what you're talking about with them, something I learnt in publishing.
If you or other publishers/developers have waivers for some issues you can use that

From previous titles

This game should be rated 18

PEGI should do something about that inconsistency

Balatro may have been flagged for being a gambling game which is why PEGI raised the age rating

This is something we were aiming for PEGI 3 for and E for ESRB

But then you look at the criteria and you're like wtf

We don't have blood and hitting things with a dull thud sound is barely violence

But that was our opinion as a developer

Maybe Rosie Cotton is mildly sexual

Even then that's subjective

If we were still getting rated by BBFC we would have probably got a U for Universal

Had to live with 18 for this too

None of us cried on the internet about it

You're still making sales and profiting, the only argument you have is that "my poker game is not accessible to younger audiences"

Balatro is still successful

[obtuse reef]

I think part of the issue is that people are purely making the comparison between the content of poker games like Balatro and the content of the other (typically more violent) 18+ games

[shadow tartan]

Ignorance

That's rife

[obtuse reef]

That goes without saying though

I think kids shouldn’t be exposed to gambling if actual money is involved. Even then, there’s still a very valid argument to be made that any amount of gambling is bad for children

[mental rose]

Fifa and Madden

[shadow tartan]

I knew someone would mention FIFA

[obtuse reef]

Yeah, any type of gambling. No loot boxes, nothing like that

Kids shouldn’t be exposed to any of it

[shadow tartan]

Their argument is that FIFA is predominantly a football game and that gambling mechanics are behind menus and also parental locks

Balatro is straight up a poker game

[mental rose]

I've seen more than one news story about kids drawing their parent's accounts dry, trying to get a certain soccer player

[shadow tartan]

Personally I am against gambling and don't think any of it should feature in games that kids play

But I understand the politics

[obtuse reef]

But any kid that knows their way around an Xbox can probably easily bypass parental locks, and that’s assuming parents are smart enough to set up those locks in the first place

[shadow tartan]

Dumb parents that don't read

I've had this discussion with parents, directly

Set up your parental control

Don't be lazy and complacent and blame your kids and games

[shadow tartan]

Of course but it can stop a lot of it

It comes down to people being unaware because they're complacent

[obtuse reef]

Young children aren’t usually smart enough to recognize that gambling is extremely dangerous, even if no money is involved, that sort of risk-reward behavior can be too easily reinforced if kids are exposed to gambling early on

[shadow tartan]

Yup

And whose job is it to educate them

Too big a discussion for NMS Discord

[obtuse reef]

The parents, who obviously don’t educate their kids

[shadow tartan]

Not always

That's why it's too big a discussion

[obtuse reef]

I agree, there are way too many variables

Too many things to take into consideration

[shadow tartan]

People that publish content still have a duty of care, somewhat

Mr Beast is allowed to run around doing whatever he wants to do

He encourages terrible things imo

[obtuse reef]

Oh definitely

[shadow tartan]

But it's just my opinion

I argued with my beat mate about it, he has two daughters, I said he should Ban the Beast

My nieces don't need that shit, world is already shit enough

[austere lance]

He's a piece of shit peddling actual garbage and treated his contestants in at least one of his videos horribly, to the point that they were in physical danger

[obtuse reef]

Good on you for looking out for your nieces

[shadow tartan]

I can't use the word I want to use on this server any longer

But he's that

[obtuse reef]

The funny word that starts with ‘c’?

[shadow tartan]

The best word to describe him

The same word for the Paul bros

And KSI

[obtuse reef]

YouTube is the worst place to look for purely kids content

[austere lance]

Rhymes with Cheryl Tunt's last name, from Archer? 🤣

[shadow tartan]

I fucking love Cheryl!

[obtuse reef]

Now, there is content on YouTube that kids can consume, but that stuff isn’t specifically intended for kids, and it needs to be monitored by parents

[austere lance]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-youre-not-supervisor-supervisor-cheryl-tunt-tunt-gif-4987870

[obtuse reef]

Mr Beast, the Pauls and big YouTubers like them should be kept away from children at all costs

[austere lance]

Like half of the popular gaming YouTubers should be kept away from children

[obtuse reef]

The content they produce can be harmful to young kids, and that’s not even beginning to mention the other reasons to avoid them

[shadow tartan]

In theory everything should be
Even LEGO, they tell people that their kids are supposed to be supervised when playing games and the toy because you're supposed to interact with your kid, that was their original vision anyway

Does this mean that Balatro should be getting an 18 rating then?

[obtuse reef]

I’m not an expert or anything, so I can’t say, but this a very tricky topic. There are valid arguments on both sides, but I’m leaning more towards that it should stay out of the hands of young children

[shadow tartan]

An age rating for simulated gambling should be consistent

It's that simple

[obtuse reef]

At first I did think that Balatro should have the 18+ rating removed, but upon further reflection it should keep that rating, if for no other reason than that kids should be kept far, far away from gambling

[shadow tartan]

It's easy to become part of an echo chamber

I'm glad you can analyse things

https://www.eurogamer.net/black-myth-wukong-producer-on-the-game-awards-top-prize-snub-i-came-all-the-way-here-for-nothing

Also a stinking attitude

Imagine being like this

[austere lance]

The amount of things you can rack Nazis in the nuts with is fuckin hysterical 🤣
https://www.xbox.com/play/media/4kW2pecRdz

[obtuse reef]

He definitely seems like a bit of a sore loser

[pure zinc]

I would say the game awards was kinda unfair, but that’s still not how you react

[obtuse reef]

I can understand why he’s upset, but still

[obtuse reef]

The game awards are almost always unfair

[pure zinc]

Sometimes

When Sekiro one goty I felt like that was deserved

[shadow tartan]

A game that is modern mario and arguably more accessible won.
Someone got real salty because they thought they had it in the bag.
Now they're a victim.

[pure zinc]

It’s a ps exclusive

[shadow tartan]

Even if I can't stand awards or wasn't a surprise

[shadow tartan]

Ages not platform

[pure zinc]

There’s no way that game one without money being involved

[pure zinc]

It don’t matter

[shadow tartan]

I don't subscribe to paranoia, I need facts

[pure zinc]

Age don’t choose game of the year

[shadow tartan]

It's a factor

[pure zinc]

No

Not at all

[shadow tartan]

In your opinion

[pure zinc]

In your opinion

It’s a factor

[shadow tartan]

In my experience

[pure zinc]

In reality

[shadow tartan]

Difference

[obtuse reef]

it’s a bit self-adsorbed to believe that you had it in the bag before it was even announced if you won or not

[shadow tartan]

Yup

[pure zinc]

Astro bot won bc PlayStation paid the game awards for it to win

[shadow tartan]

LOL

What a child

Sure thing kiddo

[pure zinc]

Ok? 💀

It’s obvious that’s the case

[shadow tartan]

Mhm

[pure zinc]

Considering the fact how many games got snubbed this year

And I’ve played Astro bot, it’s not all that

[obtuse reef]

I know absolutely nothing about Astro Bot, so I couldn’t say

[shadow tartan]

Yeah Sony out there paying people off like they have MS money

[austere lance]

The real question is whether exclusives should be able to qualify for GOTY

[shadow tartan]

If DLC can 🤣

[pure zinc]

They probably have way more money than ms tbh

[shadow tartan]

No

LOL

[obtuse reef]

There should be a separate category for exclusives

[pure zinc]

How

Sony is more than just PlayStation

They do way more types of different things than Microsoft

[obtuse reef]

DLC shouldn’t be able to qualify at all because it’s not a goddamn game. I don’t care if the DLC is the most beautiful story known to man, it’s not a game, just additional content for a game

[shadow tartan]

I really think you should do your research

I'm not talking about PS Vs XBOX

[pure zinc]

I’m not either

I’m talking about Microsoft vs Sony

[shadow tartan]

Almost $2T Vs around $80b

Microsoft compared to Sony

[obtuse reef]

Microsoft is a massive part of the computer industry

[pure zinc]

And where did you get those numbers?

[obtuse reef]

It doesn’t seem like it’s very diverse, but that’s because it never needed to diversify

[shadow tartan]

2 trillion is more than 80 billion

[pure zinc]

Obviously

[shadow tartan]

From places that have the information because it's something I'm invested in maybe

Where did you get your info from?

Console wars?

[pure zinc]

The fact that Sony sells more shit than Microsoft does

No

[shadow tartan]

They have a broad product catalog

Doesn't mean they profit as much

[obtuse reef]

Quick correction as the information has been updated more recently. Microsoft is valued at about $3.36 trillion USD, Sony is valued at about $130 billion USD as of 2024

[shadow tartan]

Oh sorry

My bad

[pure zinc]

That’s why I questioned the numbers, bc that’s what I found too. But i don’t think I’m in the wrong for assuming that Sony would be bigger considering they have a lot more products

[shadow tartan]

Assuming...

There's the problem

[pure zinc]

Like I can’t think of anything Microsoft sells other than pc’s and Xbox

And their vr bullshit but that’s not important

[austere lance]

Microsoft has arguably been the biggest tech company on the planet since the late 80s, lol

[shadow tartan]

Bro I can't even

[pure zinc]

You act like no one does that

No one has ever assumed in the entire history of earth until this very moment

[shadow tartan]

I'm not those people

[obtuse reef]

It’s a massive leap in logic, actually. Microsoft has been established for a very long time and their products are in virtually every corner of the tech industry, not to mention their subsidiaries

[shadow tartan]

If something is my subject I kinda have to be reasonably up to date and not just some angry person

The old saying

If you assume you make an ass out of you and me

[pure zinc]

English is stupid

But fair

[shadow tartan]

You joined a discussion and tried to pass your opinion off as a fact, and then 3 people highlighted the facts for you

That's all that happened

[pure zinc]

It’s not wrong to think astrobot got bought out to win goty

No one fucking played it

I guarantee more people played the new Mario this year than Astro bot

I guarantee more people played space marine 2 than Astro bot

[shadow tartan]

Hope so

I love Mario

I'll be one of them

Nintendo has some very consistent ratings for first party titles

[coarse swift]

Maybe you didn't

But it was highly well received

I only haven't played it because I don't have $60 to drop on it

But I fully intend to

[pure zinc]

By the like 30 people that bought it yea

[coarse swift]

I think your anger over it winning is clouding logical judgement

[pure zinc]

1

Im not angry

[coarse swift]

It's not Dustborn

[pure zinc]

I’m sick

I have fog brain rn bc I’m sick

2

Theres no way

[shadow tartan]

Should maybe rest if you have flu

And brain fog

[pure zinc]

I just woke up

[coarse swift]

Definitely

[pure zinc]

I’ve been watching family guy sitting in bed rotting away for the past 3 days

[coarse swift]

Stay hydrated

[pure zinc]

And some other shows

[shadow tartan]

I tend not to look at stuff and just melt in bed

When I got swine flu I was fucked