nms-modding

[vocal zodiac]

@rapid sandal does mod builder cache data somewhere? i figured out modding station and mod builder mods cause errors between one another and my UI and character globals aren't loading properly bc MS does something weird i dunno

...so yeah
does mod builder create a cache somewhere, and if so can i clear it

ive already tried reinstalling and removing the mods

reinstalling mod builder and removing the mods that changed the globals

[rapid sandal]

Nothing is cached to disk, it extracts all data from the game and mods pak files as needed into memory. The meta-data (lists of pak item info but not pak item data) for the game instance you select (GoG or Steam) is cached in memory until the app is closed.

[vocal zodiac]

maybe it's done something to the pak files then

which arcs contain ui and character globals?

[rapid sandal]

It opens the game and mod pack files read-only.

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i know, modding station might have done something though

i used an old version of mbin

[rapid sandal]

Mod Builder will read the header of each mbin to determine if it is from the game or a mod. If from the game it will use the libMBIN.dll in the app folder, if from a mod it will read what version of libMBIN.dll was used to create the mbin and prompt to download that version if it's not in the app folder.

[vocal zodiac]

that's probably what was happening then

anything done with banksignatures.bin?

[rapid sandal]

No it doesn't open or use that file.

The only files in the game folder it accesses are the NMS.exe to get the build date, the *.pak files in the PCBANKS/ and PCBANKS/MODS/ folders.

If the game is updated often the update will re-add the disablemods.txt file. You have to manually delete that each time. I assume you are, just mentioning in-case.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah i always delete it

it's not an issue with the game, just the decompiler

[rapid sandal]

So what specifically is happening ?

[vocal zodiac]

when i try to open character globals:

   at System.IO.BinaryReader.InternalRead(Int32 numBytes)
   at System.IO.BinaryReader.ReadSingle()
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeValue(BinaryReader reader, Type field, NMSAttribute settings, Int64 templatePosition, FieldInfo fieldInfo, NMSTemplate parent)
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeBinaryTemplate(BinaryReader reader, String templateName)
   at libMBIN.MBINFile.GetData()
   at System.Dynamic.UpdateDelegates.UpdateAndExecute1[T0,TRet](CallSite site, T0 arg0)
   at cmk.NMS.MBINC.MbinToEbin(String PATH, Stream MBIN) in D:\dev\prj\cmk\Game\NoMansSky\Common\NMS\MBINC\MBINC.p.EBIN.cs:line 46```

when i try to open ui globals:

   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeList[T](BinaryReader reader, FieldInfo field, NMSAttribute settings, Int64 templateStartOffset, NMSTemplate parent)

[03:17:20.421] Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(Object target, Object[] arguments, Signature sig, Boolean constructor, Boolean wrapExceptions)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke(Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, Binder binder, Object[] parameters, CultureInfo culture)
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeValue(BinaryReader reader, Type field, NMSAttribute settings, Int64 templatePosition, FieldInfo fieldInfo, NMSTemplate parent)
   at libMBIN.NMSTemplate.DeserializeBinaryTemplate(BinaryReader reader, String templateName)
   at libMBIN.MBINFile.GetData()
   at cmk.NMS.MBINC.MbinToEbin(String PATH, Stream MBIN) in D:\dev\prj\cmk\Game\NoMansSky\Common\NMS\MBINC\MBINC.p.EBIN.cs:line 46```

no other PSARC throws these errors

at least not to my knowledge

i tried deleting and then redownloading 59B126E2 via steam but no dice

[rapid sandal]

Ah, I think the latest libMBIN won't decompile 2 of the global mbins for the current pub release - the ones you mention. I found this last night and dropped back to libMBIN 3.65.0.1 and was able to view them.

3.68.0.1 only fully works on the latest exp I think

[vocal zodiac]

how would i put it into the releases text file?

like how would i phrase it i mean

just 3.65.0.1

[rapid sandal]

3.67.1, Frontiers, 2021-09-17, 3.68.0.1, v3.68.0-pre1
3.67, Frontiers, 2021-09-15, 3.65.0.1, v3.65.0-pre1
3.66, Frontiers, 2021-09-12, 3.65.0.1, v3.65.0-pre1
3.64, Frontiers, 2021-09-07, 3.64.0.1, v3.64.0-pre1

Then download 3.65.0.1 and put in app folder

[vocal zodiac]

alright got it, thanks

all shows correctly now

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, matching the right libMBIN with the right game release is the only fiddly bit.

Whenever you see those NMSTemplate.DeserializeValue errors it just means libMBIN couldn't decompile. Usually either you are using the wrong libMBIN, or libMBIN hasn't been updated to handle a newer version of a class used in the mbin and you have to wait for it to be updated.

[vocal zodiac]

[vocal zodiac]

@honest herald if i were to load a scene, would i be using GameComponents to do so?

like im trying to load MODELS/COMMON/WEAPONS/MULTITOOL/MULTITOOL.SCENE.MBIN

just thinking b4 i do if i'm not doing it right or anything

and also how would i phrase that in my Mbin call

[honest herald]

@vocal zodiac At the top of MULTITOOL.SCENE.MBIN, you'll see TkSceneNodeData where I'm highlighting:

[vocal zodiac]

yeah i see it

[honest herald]

Tk implies that it's in Toolkit, which I can verify here:

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh, okay

so how would i call it?

[honest herald]

Since Toolkit.TkSceneNodeData is the type from Mod Builder's p.o.v.:

var sceneNodeData = Mbin<Toolkit.TkSceneNodeData>(
  "MODELS/COMMON/WEAPONS/MULTITOOL/MULTITOOL.SCENE.MBIN"    
);

[vocal zodiac]

ohhh, of course, ahah

[honest herald]

However

[vocal zodiac]

thank you

[honest herald]

Seems to not be working let me check\

Oh duh I forgot var

[vocal zodiac]

i got it :]

[honest herald]

lol enjoy

[rapid sandal]

@vocal zodiac The libMBIN API tab is also there to lookup what namespace a class is in. Copy TkSceneNodeData from ebin like Burryaga showed, then goto libMBIN API tab and paste in search box (or just scroll down in class list). The fully qualified name of the selected item (enum, class, field) is displayed in the toolbar.

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah i see that

that tab is super helpful for just finding data structs and figuring out what goes into them

[rapid sandal]

But yeah, in general: if item name is *.GLOBAL.MBIN then in Global namespace, else if starts with Gc then in GameComponents namespace, else if starts with Tk in Toolkit namespace, else if starts with Sn in SketchNodes namespace (currently unused), else likely in NMS namespace (seed, color, vector, ...).

[vocal zodiac]

got it

sketchnodes?

[marsh harbor]

there any mods that do auto sort and slot management?

[vocal zodiac]

mod's working as intended it looks like :]

vy'keen settlement

[rapid sandal]

There are classes in libMBIN, but they haven't been figured out yet so they aren't public.

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh

[hearty wasp]

Updated with MBINCompiler 3.68.0 pre1
Increased base Jetpack capacity by 200%
Increased Melee Boost performance
Increased Normal Jetpack performance

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1942

[vocal zodiac]

so is it like an arcane sorta thing where nobody's sure what's in it or how it works but it does, or am i missing something

[topaz crater]

👋 Is there documentation for interfacing with NMS? I see this getting started guide but I dont see any sort of docs

[silent locust]

is there an updated mod to reduce the timers for living ship parts? I see 2 on nexus mods but both are outdated and cause game crashes upon launch

[rapid sandal]

I believe it's on the MBINCompiler dev's todo list to figure them out, but I guess it's not a high-demand item, so it's likely low on the priority list.

[rapid sandal]

There is no standard runtime interface to the game, almost all mods are just changing assets and config files.
A couple of modders have created runtime hooks for their own tools, mainly w/ the help of Cheat Engine, but nothing public that currently works - aside from one beta by RayRoD TV on No Man's Sky Modding discord.
If you mean interfacing as in creating mods, then there are several tools that can help e.g. AMUMSS and|or NMS Mod Builder.

[topaz crater]

Gotcha, so we couldnt change the actual functionality of the game

Rather just configs and whatnot

Alas

I'd like to avoid working with anything titled "Cheat engine" 😅

[rapid sandal]

There are ~2000 classes and about ~20K fields used in the 'config' files. Config file doesn't really do justice to the amount of changes you can make.

[topaz crater]

Oh wow

Jesus

I just wanted to integrate the Spotify API into the quick action menu so I dont have to exit immersive VR to change music

[rapid sandal]

You can view them using NMS Mod Builder, or goto the MBINCompiler GitHub site: https://github.com/monkeyman192/MBINCompiler to browse the classes used in the config files (*.mbin's).

[rapid sandal]

Yeah, that would probably require having custom code executed at runtime, which isn't really supported. You'd have to RE the exe to find somewhere to hook your code.

[topaz crater]

Damn, unfortunate

But that's been done before

[rapid sandal]

You may want to ask RaYRoD TV on the NMS Modding discord about it, he might be able to give better guidance.

[topaz crater]

Harmony is a powerful tool

[rapid sandal]

RaYRoD TV has an app that runs at the same time as the game and lets you change colours in the game as it's running.

[topaz crater]

Oh neat, I'll give them a ring when I get around to it

[rapid sandal]

You have links for the nexus mods ? I can look to see what they do and what effort to update them.

[echo summit]

is there a multi freighter mod thats working out rn?

[vale iron]

GDebug - Multiple Freighters option

[ashen brook]

Are there any HUD mods for NMS third person, that preserve the ship targeting and radar displays for third person flight?

[lime mesa]

Aby mods that cut down on the hyperdrive time?

[left sentinel]

as in the time it takes you to warp to a system?

that's entirely based on how good of a system you have, cant make it any faster

[sand swallow]

No

[lime mesa]

Shame

Would make getting to a black hole so much faster

[hearty wasp]

in-system warp speed is prolly in most ship speed mods already

[honest herald]

Do you mean something that lets you jump farther every jump? Are you simply trying to hyperjump a long distance faster? I think "cutting down on hyperdrive time" is ambiguous.

[lime mesa]

the animation

[honest herald]

You mean the loading screen between systems?

I mean I can give you a mod that lets you get to your system faster, but can't reduce your load times.

[lime mesa]

that's a loading screen?

like the ship just zooming in the light

[honest herald]

Between systems?

[lime mesa]

yeah

[honest herald]

Yes

It's loading a new system

[lime mesa]

aaah

ok

[vocal zodiac]

who is unedjis on the nexus?

like does anyone know

wait, @honest herald you're not Unedjis are you

probably not but worth a guess

[wet oar]

Has anyone found out how the game determines where it decides to place settlements? Some mod that forces the game to spawn a settlement on the planet your using the Settlement Map on would be great! Spent over an hour reloading saves to get a settlement to spawn on the current planet I was standing on.. lol

[vocal zodiac]

i think - and don't quote me, but i think - it replaces the base computer spawn points

i don't know enough about the workings of the settlements to know exactly what it does and how but that's my thinks

ill dip into the code and see whats up

[wet oar]

Thanks!

[vocal zodiac]

the cool thing about nms is that the game's exe is essentially just a framework that is configured and adjusted by a cataclysm of xml

[wet oar]

Thats what I've heard

[vocal zodiac]

so i imagine itd just be a matter of looking at what the item does on use and figuring out how that maps (haha) onto the actual generation

[wet oar]

One other small request. When ya go poking around in there. If ya happen across the information about what planetary attributes allow/prohibit settlements, that would be great to know as well. 🙂

[honest herald]

No

[vocal zodiac]

i guessed so

[vocal zodiac]

on the first question: ive found what the chart does - it triggers a scan that looks for a settlement (surprise!) and it looks like it's not very particular about planet or anything. need to make sure in placement though, but otherwise looks like a clear-cut thing for the first question

second... one mo

[wet oar]

Hmm, okay. It's curious how it works. Give ya a little personal background. When the settlement system first dropped I wanted my settlement on a particular Paradise planet. I had seen on the reddit that there can be several different locations on a planet for settlements. When I first popped my settlement map, it spawned a settlement on the paradise planet I was on. I flew over there and wasn't very thrilled with the location. So I figured just to reload the save and find another spot on the planet....
An hour and a half later of reloading the save, it FINALLY spawned a settlement on the paradise planet again. If I hadn't already seen the planet could have a settlement, I'd just have assumed it could not.

[vocal zodiac]

fair fair! hm

METADATA/SIMULATION/ENVIRONMENT/PLANETBUILDINGTABLE.MBIN

in this table is placement probabilities

so.... to make it simple i guess, bc i only rly have a basic understanding of it all

[wet oar]

Gotcha

[vocal zodiac]

settlements have a 5% chance of spawning whenever a building node is placed on a planet, which means there is a chance none will be spawned on a given planet

that's 5% out of the pool of all of them, which are basically 100%
So its actually a very small chance any one world will have a settlement

[wet oar]

So, basically, any planet that has some sort of building on it already. Can spawn a settlement, however remote the chance.

[vocal zodiac]

yeah thats the basic idea

as long as it's not dead, 'weird', or 'half-weird'

id assume half-weird means bubble lushes or frozen worlds with exotic things on it

or egg worlds

[wet oar]

Weird or Half wierd? Like Exotic. IE Plated, or Hex, or Fractured, ect

[vocal zodiac]

weird like plated and hexagonal, half weird like adjective colour planets i guess

like yknow Doomed Jade Planet or something

[wet oar]

Hmm, okay. Had a settlement spot pop up on Dreadworld when I was trying for this new settlement spot. Guess the game doesn't think that is 'too wierd'.. lol

[vocal zodiac]

apparently not

what's dreadworld?

like an egg world or?

[wet oar]

I've come across them from time to time. Dark, flora kinda like an Infested world, but different. Just the occasional Whispering Egg, instead of fields of them.

[vocal zodiac]

hm

[wet oar]

Thanks for looking around in there and the information!

[vocal zodiac]

:]!

oh, i can make a mod that forces at least one settlement to be generated

probably gonna implement that into my It Takes A Village mod tbh

[wet oar]

That would be cool!
Could ya make a version that removes the weird restrictions? That'd be neat. hehe

[vocal zodiac]

sure yah

[wet oar]

Sweet! Looking at your mod right now. Hadn't seen it since it didn't have settlement in the title. I was lazy and just did a keyword search for settlement. Once I find a spot for this new Korvax settlement I have an idea for, I'll give it a shot.

[vocal zodiac]

ahah, fair enough

i like to think its pretty good
makes settlements a little harder, cranks up initial investment costs but has better production rewards

[wet oar]

I'll definitely give it a shot once ya get the new version up. The only worry I'd have is the increased build time (that's been kind of a sore spot with the community) and that's gonna be alot of aronium for landing pads.. lol

[hearty wasp]

I think I remember ray saying there's a param regarding minimum time for the warp tunnel loading

tbh tho changing it prolly won't change much except with high-end systems

[vocal zodiac]

oh yeah it's expensive but like... it is a lot more satisfying, at least to me

aronium is sold in bulk at stations and stuff so its no worries on amount

[wet oar]

Gotcha!

[vocal zodiac]

@wet oar updated the mod with the new fix

[wet oar]

Nice!

[polar falcon]

anyone know how I can update an outdated mod myself?

I've been trying to use AMUMSS but i'm running into an error turning the MBIN file to a EXML file

[hearty wasp]

install .net 5

[vocal zodiac]

if youre just looking for a quick decompile-recompile tool i'd suggest Modding Station https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/320

ive never used AMUMSS myself

MS is just an easy and super light editor and packer

needs mbincompiler exe

[polar falcon]

Installing .net 5 ending up getting rid of that error and now tells me to use an older version, so once I try that and if it doesn't work, then i'll try that Modding Station one

[hearty wasp]

yeah but amumss is automatic

[hearty wasp]

what older version

the compiler?

[polar falcon]

Yeah

older version of MBINCompiler

[hearty wasp]

oh cos you're trying to decomp an old mbin

[polar falcon]

Probably

the mod is from 2016 lol

[hearty wasp]

oh

then everything's prolly changed anyway

[vocal zodiac]

what's the mod do?

[hearty wasp]

especially if it's global related

[polar falcon]

that sucks

[polar falcon]

It makes the game have big space battles

[vocal zodiac]

ahh. probably just increases the amount of active ships or some shit lol

[polar falcon]

probably

it also includes another mod

anyways it changes the file EXPERIENCESPAWNTABLE

is that not global, or does global mean something else?

[vocal zodiac]

that's a table somewhere deeper in the game... hold on let me see if i can pull it up

METADATA/SIMULATION/SCENE/EXPERIENCESPAWNTABLE.MBIN

it pretty much controls ship spawns

[polar falcon]

that's it

oh

[vocal zodiac]

yeah with Modding Station you could just copy that across to a new project, decompile and edit away

[polar falcon]

I think i'm going to give up on using MBINCompiler here

and try that

[hearty wasp]

everything uses the compiler lol

[vocal zodiac]

if you're looking to edit raw xml btw i'd suggest using Notepad++

[polar falcon]

oh

[hearty wasp]

other than mod builder which uses libmbin direct

but that won't help you because libmbin didn't exist till this year or the last

[vocal zodiac]

yeah everything needs the compiler but it's likely you're just missing some args or something and that's tripping it up

[polar falcon]

the newest version tells me to use an older one, a pretty old one says it failed to read from the MBIN file, and an even older one give me a massive error with a stacktrace

[hearty wasp]

because the structs literally changes every single update

you have to find the precise one (or one that's around the time) that was used to make the mod

try tracking down the lastest file's upload date

and then find the compiler version released closest to that date

[polar falcon]

where can I find the compiler version's release dates

nevermind I found its github

could find it here

[hearty wasp]

ye

you smart

[polar falcon]

oh there we go

I think it worked

The earliest version on github (1.1.0) was released december 2016 while the mod was released in september 2016

but it ended up working

I think

thanks both of you guys for helping me

[hearty wasp]

gl

I'd say hf but we never do

[vocal zodiac]

i do 👀

[hearty wasp]

nice

[polar falcon]

yikes

almost 4000 more lines in the current NMS file compared to the old and modded one

a lot of the lines are completely different and not just changed values

not sure what I should be changing

[polar falcon]

Is anyone able to answer a few questions I have about the meaning of some of the things in the code or if I should leave it?

[hearty wasp]

you can just ask

people will answer when they see it and has an answer

such is the magical properties of text-based messaging

[polar falcon]

alright

should stuff like this, where scale is changed to a vector, be changed?

https://prnt.sc/1tuxvzw

left is the current nms file and the right one is the old modded file

[hearty wasp]

everything should conform to the current strcture

and you can still try to change the values

[polar falcon]

would the mod add new lines more than changing values

and also, what do I do if the mod file has a huge chunk of code that the new version doesn't

[hearty wasp]

you can add more entries when the struct is a list

in this case, where it's a vector2f

is not

[hearty wasp]

you ignore em

unless if they're entries in a list

then you can try to remake them

[polar falcon]

what counts as a list?

[hearty wasp]

for a precise definition you can check the struct in the compiler's git

e.g. https://github.com/monkeyman192/MBINCompiler/blob/development/libMBIN/Source/NMS/GameComponents/GcBaseBuildingPartsTable.cs

where

public List<GcBaseBuildingPart> Parts

is a list of entries of the GcBaseBuildingPart struct called "parts"

but whenever something is expandable and repeated in the table, it often can be a list

so you can extrapolate what's a list based on if it looks like a list of entries

[polar falcon]

oh alright

thanks

[hearty wasp]

most globals don't have list tho

p sure the experience spawn table has a list but you can check for yourself when you see the struct names

[polar falcon]

@hearty waspWhat do you think "Warp in" means?

[hearty wasp]

what

[polar falcon]

it's a boolean that is different across the two files

you think it was an intentional change in the mod?

[hearty wasp]

what's the full param name

[polar falcon]

<Property name="WarpIn" value="False" />

and then

<Property name="WarpIn" value="True" />

you mean like that?

[hearty wasp]

it's a part of a struct right

more context would be great lol

[polar falcon]

alright

sorry, wasn't sure how much context you needed

https://prnt.sc/1tv0hxa

[hearty wasp]

think that just determine if the flybys use warp in anim or not?

could be wrong tho

you can always try it out

[polar falcon]

hm

alright

[polar falcon]

when you said ignore them, did you mean leave or delete them?

[hearty wasp]

leave em

[polar falcon]

it looks like the new version replace a large chunk of code that the old mod has with <Property value="EmptyNode.xml" />

[hearty wasp]

unless, again, if it's a list

empty nodes are just padding

[polar falcon]

sorry but what is padding?

I'm not very knowledgeable with this kind of terminology

let me know if i'm asking too many questions

[hearty wasp]

padding like what you shove underneath a chair's leg when it's unbalanced

i.e. ignore em

[polar falcon]

alright

[vocal zodiac]

weird bug i'm looking to fix... for some reason some events will actually set the maintenance cost to the appropriate amount for certain visitors, rather than modify the maintenance cost

just had this bug come up

[vocal zodiac]

so ive always been kinda bugged by refinery realism

im gonna try to make a mod that... i wouldnt say remedies that? i'm not that cocky

but i think it'll tweak it in a manner that makes more sense from a chemical standpoint

[vocal zodiac]

@honest herald can i use Id to get an entry in a list?

[left sentinel]

there used to be a mod that revamped the items and their refinements just to be as chemically accurate as possible

[vocal zodiac]

im aware :] i kinda wanna lead on from that but give concessions to certain facets

like, leave certain chemicals as they are and modify others

for example i wanna modify the iron tree to be ionic

iron becomes iron(I), then iron(II) and you can do Stuff with it

i guess

i duno, i need to think things out

but ideally the processing of these materials would lead to higher purity

so carbon can be turned into graphite for example

i also kinda wanna make nanotubes need graphite, just to take the piss

but i know that would be Evil and Fucked Up so i won't

...maybe

also i realised i could just foreach and check ID with an If statement

i might also use a switch

yeah definitely going to use a switch

@rapid sandal hey, can i implicitly compare strings to NMS strings of any type in a switch statement, or should i first convert the NMS string to program string (and how would i convert it in the switch field)?

[vocal zodiac]

i answered my own question

you can

            GcRefinerRecipe Recipe = new GcRefinerRecipe {};
            
            // for each Recipe in the RecipeTable:
            for ( int i = 0; i < RecipeTable.Table.Count; i++ ) {
                // as long as the Cooking bool is false (we don't want to mess around
                // with the cooking recipes):
                if ( ! RecipeTable.Table[i].Cooking ) {
                    // get the recipe
                    Recipe = RecipeTable.Table[i];
                    // check Recipe.Id:
                    switch( Recipe.Id ) {
                        
                        // Frost Crystal -> Glass
                        case "REFINERECIPE_9":
                            // change Result.Id to SAND1 (Silicate Powder)
                            Recipe.Result.Id = "SAND1";
                            // change Result.Amount to 5
                            Recipe.Result.Amount = 5;
                            
                            break;
                    }
                }
            }```

check out my cool code

it works!

[vocal zodiac]

so i'm having trouble figuring out how 'GcInventoryType' works

[rapid sandal]

In what way ? Generally just look up the type in the libMBIN API tab to see what fields it has, what classes use it, if it is a top-level class for any mbins.

[vocal zodiac]

    InventoryType = InventoryTypeEnum:Substance```

i'm just not familiar with this

like if i instantiate a new substance for crafting and i want to Type it, how would i put that in

i'm just a little confused is all :9 sorry it's such a minor thing

would it be GcInventoryType:Substance?

[rapid sandal]

The MBINCompiler dev's generally try to recreate the classes, enums, fields as exactly as they see them in the exe. So most enums are declared in a wrapping class for some reason.
Look at the inventory_* scripts, they have code that uses helper methods I created to add items to inventories.

[vocal zodiac]

i'm not sure any of them use this GcInventoryType thing

[rapid sandal]

The various methods set the correct type based on the method name e.g. CONTAINER.AddTechnologyUnindexed requires you to specify a technology ID and it will create the correct object, set the fields, set the type, and insert it into the CONTAINER list.

Likewise for AddProductUnindexed, and AddSubstanceUnindexed

The unindexed part of the name means that you don't specify what slot in the inventory the item goes in. Since you can only add items to the defaultsavedata mbin's the game will auto-assign the items to slots when it creates a new game.

[vocal zodiac]

sorry, i'm a bit lost, how did we get here? i'm talking about editing recipes in GcRecipeTable

[rapid sandal]

Ah, you were talking about GcInventoryType so assumed you were trying to add new items to an inventory.

So you want to edit existing recipe, not create new one right

[vocal zodiac]

that's the idea

specifically i'm working with the refiner

[rapid sandal]

So there are two parts to the recipe: the result and the list of ingredients.

RECIPE.Result.Type.InventoryType give access to the resutl

[vocal zodiac]

here's an example of my code

                        // 1 Gold -> 1 Pyrite
                        case "REFINERECIPE_10":
                            // change Ingredients[0].Id to LAND1 (Ferrite Dust)
                            Recipe.Ingredients[0].Id = "LAND1";
                            // add a new Ingredient
                            Recipe.Ingredients.Add(
                                new GcRefinerRecipeElement {
                                    Id = "GAS1", // Sulphurine
                                    Type = Recipe.Ingredients[0].Type, // Substance, as first
                                    Amount = 2
                                }
                            );
                            break;
                        // 1 Ferrite Dust + 2 Sulphurine -> 1 Pyrite```

it's mega clunkers but it works pretty well

i'm just having an issue with the Type part of this code block

while i can just call back to the first, i want to get a GcInventoryType of Substance in there rather than back-referencing

how would i type that out

[rapid sandal]

Recipe.Ingredients[0].Id = "LAND1"; this will only set the id, it will not update the type
Type = Recipe.Ingredients[0].Type; so this needs to explicity specify the type e.g. Type = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance

[vocal zodiac]

alright, okay

so using GcInventoryType = GameComps.GcInventoryType;

[rapid sandal]

I'll check, sometimes you need to create a wrapper for the enum

[vocal zodiac]

i can just say GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance?

alright i'll wait haha

ill try that out in the meantime tho

[rapid sandal]

Type.InventoryType = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance

[vocal zodiac]

oh god doing that just threw like 10 compiler errors

i tried

                                        GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance;```

sorry about the indents

[rapid sandal]

Also, there is a dedicated channel in No Man's Sky Modding discord for Mod Builder, usually get better response there.

[rapid sandal]

libMBIN.GameComponents.GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum, shorten the prefix using whatever alias you use for the GameComponents namespace

[vocal zodiac]

should i use using?

bc i already have using GcInventoryType = GameComps.GcInventoryType;

[rapid sandal]

Move Type.InventoryType to after the construction

[vocal zodiac]

what would that change?

[rapid sandal]

Not sure you can specify a sub-field in a list constructor like that e.g. Type = would be fine, but Type.InventoryType = may not be

[vocal zodiac]

ahh fuck it, ill just do it the way i was doing it.. hacky but it works

thank you for the help regardless

all this can be a bit frustrating

[rapid sandal]

var recipe = new GcRefinerRecipeElement {
Id = "", plus whatever
};
recipe.Type.InventoryType = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance;

or
var recipe = new GcRefinerRecipeElement {
Id = "",
Type = new GcInventoryType{ InventoryType = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance }
};

Also, as I mentioned
Recipe.Ingredients[0].Id = "LAND1"; this will only set the id, it will not update the type
so you may also need to add
Recipe.Ingredients[0].Type = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance; in-case the prior ingredient wasn't a substance

I agree that having the enums nested in both the field and class is a pain, but that's the way it is in libMBIN so we have to deal with it

[vocal zodiac]

maybe i could just construct it outside of that and have it ready-to-go

[rapid sandal]

Sure, you could create GcRefinerRecipeElement objects first then add them to the list(s)

[vocal zodiac]

                InventoryType = GcInventoryType.InventoryTypeEnum.Substance
            };```

compiles fine

[rapid sandal]

or that 🙂

[vocal zodiac]

i know camelCase isn't proper but i just fancy it cuz it helps me remember

[rapid sandal]

coding standards are per user, not judging

I'll look to add recipe helper methods like I did for the inventories

[vocal zodiac]

that would be handy

fortunately none of this is executed ingame

                                new GcRefinerRecipeElement {
                                    Id = "GAS1", // Sulphurine
                                    Type = typeSubstance,
                                    Amount = 2
                                }
                            );```

compiles fine!

enumerators are weird

[rapid sandal]

it's not the enum, it's how they are wrapped in libMBIN that's odd

[vocal zodiac]

ahhh, okay

gotta love working with the arcane arts

did u kno that they planned to implement planter maintenance into farming

im just looking at the game data rn and i found maintenance components presumably for the planters you can plop

[rapid sandal]

You mean like soil de-wormer ?

[vocal zodiac]

yeah

[vocal zodiac]

@rapid sandal how would i go about adding my own lang files? just for names and the like, yknow

like if i needed to create a new name for a refiner recipe, i'm aware that it already has a preset way of working that it does things by but i'm concerned i'll fuck up the localisation if i don't just make a separate file

so i'm wondering if i could just make a file or would i have to modify an existing one

[rapid sandal]

I don't believe you can change TkLanguages.LanguageEnum, as it's defined in the exe. You'd have to modify the existing lang mbins, the Normalize_Names scripts does this.

[vocal zodiac]

so i cannot add langs, right

got it

but i can modify existing langs

[rapid sandal]

So I do not believe you can add a new language - correct. But you can modify existing language mbins - correct

[vocal zodiac]

so just look at the Normalize_Names script and go from there?

[rapid sandal]

Drop over to No Man's Sky Modding discord and the MB channel, or DM and I'll give you the Normalize_Names script, it's not in the current app version scripts folder
I can't upload files, use emoticons, or paste images here yet, so It's harder to provide support here.

[vocal zodiac]

im on there now

[stray ivy]

@fallow meadow The only pin I could find was for the link I already had. Is there a more updated post or message that details how to do the transfer?

[fallow meadow]

When using NomNom, make sure to use the latest version. It now has the option to do the transfer for you instead of following a complicated process yourself

[stray ivy]

Ah, ok. So basically just download the thing, point it at my save file, and tell it to do it and it’ll do it?

That's so clutch. I had a Beautiful home world that I was Vibing on back when I could afford game pass I’m really excited to see it again

Will I need to have game pass currently to access the original save file? I don’t currently but I do have a trial code so I could just use that if I need to go get it.

how big of an issue is that glitch where bases show up twice? Is it two separate instances that I have to keep track of? (ie, changes I make to one will not affect the other)

[twilit smelt]

i think the doubled-up base thing can be circumvented by deleting bases from xbgp to clear the uploaded copies, then restoring the save from backup, then doing the transfer

[fallow meadow]

The potential issue with bases is with those uploaded for the one platform, which then become copies on the new platform. You then re-upload on the new platform, but those bases then exist on both platforms in the exact same location. Not a visible issue due to the platforms being different and you not being online on both at the same time for anyone to see it (most likely). The problem exists however and can be resolved, by going back on the previous platform after having transferred to the new, to then actually delete the bases you had previously uploaded for the old platform. Then no duplicate bases actually exist anymore.

[twilit smelt]

lol, that sounds easier

although the "upload" copy can persist for a while (days, i'm told)

[fallow meadow]

Will I need to have game pass currently to access the original save file? I don’t currently but I do have a trial code so I could just use that if I need to go get it.
What is the other platform you are transferring away from?

[stray ivy]

Pc gamepass

[twilit smelt]

the subscription lapsed

[fallow meadow]

And moving to ?

Steam?

[stray ivy]

Yee

[fallow meadow]

Then NomNom should be able to access those saves, unless on another system? You just have to point to the paths

[stray ivy]

Ok cool

[fallow meadow]

As for how big an issue duplicate bases are ?? Well, if I am playing on Steam and want to see your base on Game Pass, I am only able to when you are actually online on Game Pass, from what I understand. So considering you transfer and not get on Game Pass anymore, I will never get to see your base for it. I should now however see your base on Steam, because that is the same platform as mine, so being online is not a requirement.
However, Game Pass players will see your base, even if not online, but they will possibly also get to see your transferred base from Steam, only when you are online on the new Steam platform. So there is the issue ...

As said above though, it can be solved by getting back on the previous platform (Game Pass) after you have full transferred to Steam, to then make sure you manually remove all uploaded bases in-game

Has to be done in-game as well, because else they will remain on the server

@stray ivy And if you are looking for the actual button that creates the transfer, it is the tiny little icon in front of Destination ;-)

[stray ivy]

What actual issues does that create? Like if I have a friend on game pass they see it twice?

[fallow meadow]

You would possibly see duplicate parts, and also running into ownership issues, depending on which base it considers 'yours' at that moment (visiting old, or owning new). Two bases exist at the same time in the same location.

[stray ivy]

Ah even if I'm just using steam and not logged into game pass version?

Got it

[stray ivy]

So what’s the best way to delete it? Just delete all the parts or do I just delete the base computer or what. Sorry it’s been a while since I played

[fallow meadow]

Actual deletion so it no longer exists on the server, is done through the base computer. Whether you wish to delete parts first to get resources back is up to you. I guess, considering you are likely not planning on using the save/account anymore, resources are not an issue

[stray ivy]

Gotcha thanks

[upper wren]

I have a question

is there a way to take a set of mods that conflict and make them not?

[mossy perch]

use AMUMSS

[upper wren]

AMUMSS?

oh

ok I have the download

im not sure what to do it gave me a bunch of stuff

[rapid sandal]

a pak file is like a zip file. mod's are mostly distributed as pak files. conflict happen when 2 mods contain the same edited game item (e.g. mbin), the game will only load the item from one of the mods.
if you create your mod using a script that describes the changes to be made, then amumss will allow you to run all your mod scripts a make 1 mod pak. this allows 2 scripts to modify the same mbin, but hopefully they will edit different parts. this is considered 'merged' because the edits from both scripts were applied but there is only one output mbin.
so, amumss only helps if you have the lua scripts for the mods you want to merge. more recent mods will often either include the lua used to create the mod in the pak itself, or provide the lua as another download on nexus.

[swift oyster]

Any mapping mods been created yet? 😄

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/363?tab=files Anyone have experience w/ that mod by chance?

[hearty wasp]

in-game mapping is impossible without extensive memory reading

i.e. basically impossible outright

[swift oyster]

Ahhhh okay I've always wanted some sort of map for the planets :/

[graceful fiber]

which folder do i place my mods into? trying to add a creature mod

[magic lava]

Make a MOD folder in PCBANKS folder

[graceful fiber]

yep , i put the vortex folder in there ya?

its supposed to let me tame anything but doesnt seem to be working

[magic lava]

Got rid of the disablemod txt?

[magic lava]

Shouldn't be a folder I don't think (haven't tried that mod) extract to that MOD folder

[graceful fiber]

oop seems like it activated

time to catch the beasty ive been seeing fly around muh base for ages

[magic lava]

[wraith osprey]

is it possible to make a mod where ring shadows are visible from planet surfaces?

man, there are so many visual changes i wanna make to make the game look better, but i have no idea how to do it

[forest tide]

Fwiw, from a stellar perspective, rings don't usually cast shadow

They're too diffuse and spread out and far from the surface to do so meaningfully

[cinder yew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1868
anyone using this currently? do you know if it shows up when you ride/summon normally untamable pets to others? I notice that it's been updated since Frontiers, just wanted to see if anyone else has input on it before I install and start using it heavily, i have not modded nms before (and this is really the only thing that I want that is not in the base game) but don't want to mess anything up ^^

[hearty wasp]

you'll know if it doesn't

cos it'd break your connection to the server

[cinder yew]

so anything that is not able to be synced with the server just forces you to close online connectivity? @hearty wasp

[hearty wasp]

at least anything with net replication component data, aye

i.e. anything that can move dynamically

[cinder yew]

so, i assume this means starships as well?

[hearty wasp]

ships are based on seed

not IDs

so no

[lean saffron]

Is it possible to delete save beacons in a specific system, in the raw JSON?

Someone here suggested it might be, for save points, but there's a save beacon I placed that isn't showing up on the HUD and is still blocking placing more

[lime mesa]

What language is most common for modding NMS?

[rapid sandal]

You currently have two main choices: .lua scripts and use AMUMSS to compile|execute, or C# scripts and use NMS Mod Builder to compile|execute.

[lime mesa]

C# 👀

[hearty wasp]

or you can edit the exml's directly

I'd always advise people to mod in exml before going AMUMSS/Mod Builder

because knowing the structure is important to understanding how the derivatives work

[lime mesa]

But... C# go brrrrrr

on a serious note
I currently don't have the time to get into modding another game, i was just curious after seeing this channel, but when I do I'll be sure to start with looking into exml before go straight to c#.

[hearty wasp]

tbh you'll need to read some exml to see vanilla values anyway

[paper ravine]

Does anyone know of a good UI mod (or several good ones that work together)? Things I'm looking for (on PC, mouse and keyboard only): sortable (alphabetical, category) lists in inventory and teleport interfaces, smaller "tiles" for these menus, the ability to type in values in refiner menus and shopping interface. I haven't found one. Is this stuff moddable or hard-coded?

For an example of the kind of thing I think PC players need in NMS, take a look at SkyUI for Skyrim. The current UI seems to be a mediocre compromise to make everything work on both controller and k&m.

[hushed bronze]

There are a few but they're just "make it more black" and "click faster"

[mossy perch]

Black GUI

colourless inventory

small cursor

better scanning icons

colourful starfields

clean ship space map

GNU Unifont

[lime mesa]

anyone have a good mod

[mossy perch]

there are many good mods

if you could be more specific about what kinda mods, maybe I can recommend you some

[ancient idol]

can i mod the windows store version of NMS?

[lime mesa]

Yup

[ancient idol]

where do i download the mods

any specific website?

[lime mesa]

Oh I only use the save editor
Sorry
But I'm sure you'll get a response soon

[vale iron]

nexusmods.com

[ancient idol]

ooo thx

[vale iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1751

[plush vortex]

Probably a stupid question because I don't really mod anything, but can you mod the Xbox version?

[hearty wasp]

no

[plush vortex]

Figured

[delicate sierra]

hey can anyone help me install mods

[hushed bronze]

https://www.google.com/search?q=nms+install+mods&rlz=1C1RXQR_enUS935US935&oq=nms+install+mods&aqs=chrome..69i57.2608j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 @delicate sierra

[steel crypt]

check the pins

[hushed bronze]

(not dropping google to be snarky, its just a very simple install process)

Nearly all NMS mods worth mention are found at https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/

[hoary temple]

i checked through the pins myself in an attempt to help but couldnt find anything clearly marked 'how to install' ^^;

[hearty wasp]

yeah should get the nms wiki "Mods" page pinned

[buoyant swan]

If you decide to use Nexus, the Vortex tool should be simple for beginners when it comes to file management, after a few minutes of serious learning that is. Note that due to file structure of NMS, don't expect to install 200+ mods like RimWorld or Skyrim.

[hearty wasp]

also Vortex don't install NMS mods right

known problem for a while

[stray ivy]

When I find a set of coordinates on the coordinate exchange Reddit and I plug them into the no man’s connect app they never have proper version compatibility. Why is that? how can I get it so that I can use the connect app the teleport somewhere because I’m too early in the game to access a portal and I just want to set up my base on a paradise planet

[steel crypt]

DUD'S SKY updated v3.68.1
(Updated all mods for compatibility with NMS v3.68)
(Added proper cruise control to _MOD_DUD_SpaceshipFlight_v3681)
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/507

DUD'S SKY - COLORS updated v3.68.1
(Added more custom procedural color blends for plants and grass.)
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

[wraith osprey]

no i meant the shadow of the planet being cast on the rings. its visible in space, but when on surface, the shadow disappears

[merry wasp]

some people -_- i'm just home after work, update is out since today

[hearty wasp]

or maybe they just install mods wrong

that bet's true ~75% of the time

[merry wasp]

true dat

mod doesn't work... reply **did you check for compatibility **... answer wait there could be compatibility issues? Me look at my descriptions + sticky post.. why do i write this shit even

but for now i give the the benefit of the doubt as it's a 7.3Gb patch tbh

[steel crypt]

Besides base parts stuff, the only file to really worry about from 3.67 to 3.68 is UI global.

I don’t know if there is parts issues but there were some base part files. (I don’t mess with that.)

[merry wasp]

idk myself like i said

just home practically

[steel crypt]

On my color mod one time:
“Don’t download! Broke all my bases”

Ummm yeah that’s a NOPE

[merry wasp]

game does crash with current mod load

[steel crypt]

Anything using the UI global will be an issue

[merry wasp]

i have small starmap mod, has had more issues then my bigass craftable upgrade mods mod

XD

but some time i ask why i do make this tbh

[steel crypt]

They’ve been messing with UI a lot lately.

[merry wasp]

oh well i'll recompile and see

[steel crypt]

What’s weird is I’ve got a couple of donations that are from people that said the mod sucks. Hmmm maybe it was pity donation lol

[merry wasp]

i don't think i've gotten donations enable tbh

[steel crypt]

You are missing out on 3$ a year boo freakin goo lol

Hoo not goo WTF

[merry wasp]

XD

[steel crypt]

My favorite is a dude that told me my mod is “soul sucking darkness”

😂 I mean what the hell is that?

[merry wasp]

on what mod?

[steel crypt]

DUD’S SKY. Not the colors one, the QOL mods one. It doesn’t have anything to do with light or color or anything. Lol

[merry wasp]

oh then ig et him

night are sometimes

DARK

but that both a compliment and not one at the same time

[steel crypt]

But it wasn’t on the color mod. It was another mod that has spaceship flight and exocraft stuff etc.

[merry wasp]

beats me then 😄

[steel crypt]

I asked him what that means and he said “don’t do that to people”

It just got more confusing dude.

[merry wasp]

lol

dude was stoned

[steel crypt]

All paranoid and shit. Got the fear from a mod.

[merry wasp]

would not be surprised at all

[hushed bronze]

Gotta love how Dark Space V2 stayed on the hotpage for almost four years after the last time it actually worked XD
Darn thing was comment disabled so nobody could just post that it was busted, and people kept upvoting it for some reason

[merry wasp]

... best.. mod.. eva

[hushed bronze]

It happened because for whatever reason, article writers listing best NMS mods mentioned it several different times

Thats my theory anyway

silly journalists

[merry wasp]

idk wish NMS ahd a mod podcast now and then

[hushed bronze]

We'll have to make one in a few more years when NMS stops changing every 10 minutes 😄

[merry wasp]

but i don't get my own mod popularity

[hushed bronze]

Like yours arent getting popular or you dont understand their popularity?

[merry wasp]

latter

on some of my smaller mods

[hushed bronze]

Tell me what they are rq

[merry wasp]

im like... what how why...

that best way to show XD

unique exocraft is so much fun and actually really good but somehow crashed ship starmap has overtaken it by a ton

maybe it's my naming sense

[hushed bronze]

People love finding crashed ships because its game-able

[merry wasp]

need more clickbaity titles

well sure i kind get that mod

still exocraft edits are like a black and white

[hushed bronze]

But yeah, flashy names can help. Whats unique exo do?

[merry wasp]

edits speeds + bosot of all exocrafts

making them unique

[hushed bronze]

but also, exo are generally unpopular because the vanilla forms are so useless that most people develop their whole playstyle with exos being entirely excluded

[merry wasp]

100u/sec bike is fun

allmost went orbital on a low grav planet

[hushed bronze]

So your crashed ship maps help players do something that a majority of them do addictively, and unique exo enhances something most players have been outright ignoring. That doesn't mean one mod is better, but it explains the difference in attention that they get

[merry wasp]

i know

[hushed bronze]

Jusrt think, the top mod is almost always L02k's "Faster Clicks"

[merry wasp]

i have instant actions and instant text dispaly

made my own version fo those mods

[hushed bronze]

its the simplest dumbest little mod but it addresses an obnoxious pain point that players are always glad to kill

[merry wasp]

they updated to slowly

😄

but QoL mods are popular for sure

[hushed bronze]

HG usually takes hints from mods like that

[merry wasp]

_>

[hushed bronze]

take a hint, HG, two second hold clicks are lame

[merry wasp]

my text speed is set to 0.00001

[hushed bronze]

zoom zoom

[merry wasp]

0 doesnt work

it basically instant

[hushed bronze]

yeah 0 likes to be a dick sometimes lol

[merry wasp]

yes yes skip skip

read the story 4 times now

skip

yes shopkeeper you sell upgrades i know

no need to waste 10 secs

[hushed bronze]

WHAT HE SELLS UPGRADES???

"This alien seems interested in the prospect that you might buy off his only starship, thereby stranding him on the station forever"
Yeah yeah OPEN THE MENU

[merry wasp]

true

||doesn't matter i reset the uni anyway they are stuck only for 16||

did nexus mod change?

don't see the my files option anymore

_<

[hushed bronze]

is possible but maybe you just got logged out?

[merry wasp]

i relogged

should be fine

[hushed bronze]

the site was entirely downed earlier there may be tech issues

[merry wasp]

will clsoe browser

oh well

will recompile tomorrow

one of my mod take like 10mins to recompile

can't be arsed by it rn

XD

[hushed bronze]

which mod is that

[merry wasp]

craftable upgrade mods

[hushed bronze]

that doesn't seem right...

[merry wasp]

it does

it casue it need to do a lot of adds

and removes

[hushed bronze]

you accidentally leave the entire models folder in there or what?

[merry wasp]

nah

only like 78 adds and removes

[hushed bronze]

Oh wait is it a LUA op?

[merry wasp]

it has a lua

[hushed bronze]

hmm

I never used lua so all my stuff was basically compiled instantly

[merry wasp]

it the lua compile that takes that long

[hushed bronze]

the only exception were a few test-only sky mods with over 2 million profiles in them, making files 140MB or something

[merry wasp]

im happy it lua tbh

the edit to do them manually

[hushed bronze]

I had a mod called Glass fix that alters 80 mats files, compiles in about a second

[merry wasp]

like i said addign and removign with lua take a while

[hushed bronze]

Im told all the new base parts have new mats files that would have to be adressed for them to work with the old mod though

[merry wasp]

each add/remove is like 5 secs

edits happen allmost instantly

nexus seems down for me now

oh well

[inland aspen]

There's been some other sites having issues at random for me today so it might be a backend thing

[quartz trail]

Does anyone use a fast refine mod that works? I tried some but it didn't feel like they were working.

[merry wasp]

@quartz trail make sure to check for compatability issues

[quartz trail]

I don't know how to do that but thanks.

[merry wasp]

use AMUMSS compile script

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:AMUMSS_Guide

[quartz trail]

Yeah this stuff is too complicated for me.

[merry wasp]

@quartz trail -_- gimme a sec, compiling

[ancient idol]

What are the best QOL mods nothing with alters gameplay as im playing COOP

[spice agate]

I'll alter your gameplay

[ancient idol]

What

[spice agate]

:x

[merry wasp]

Instant actions, (fast refiners), instant text display, ladders won't grab, shorter timer mods

btw why no gamepaly changes, this doesnt affect your partner anyway

[ancient idol]

i want to avoid "hey i see a "point of interest" near "modded thing" and they go "what's "modded thing"??"

[hearty wasp]

just don't get things that alter proc gen

[steel crypt]

You can try DUD’S SKY on Nexus.
Also you can try DUD’S SKY - COLORS. It changes colors of things. (Won’t match in multiplayer unless other players are using mod but it’s only colors not terrain or objects or anything) @ancient idol

[ancient idol]

ty

[solemn bramble]

Hey! Anyone has the seed for the sandworms?

[vocal zodiac]

whoof.... need some help with c# programming

erm

i'm wondering if i can use a variable to point to a known element in a class

[atomic scarab]

have you ever used stack overflow? thats what i'd do is go there, write a question, tag it C# and etc and ask

www.stackoverflow.com

but i dont write C# but i am a programmer and my guess is... any variable declared in a method is local only and cannot be accessed outside of that method. you would have to pass variables back and forth and or create some sort of global var or some other way to store variables in 1 spot and access them in "all" or other spots...

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35370592/how-do-i-create-global-variables/35370649#35370649

[agile quarry]

how does installing a mod actually affect the game? Something change about the anomaly or how network works in general?

because I'm thinking o a simple qol mod, nothing more, but I don't want to do it if it changes overly much

[round sinew]

take a look at the first pinned post here

[shadow pivot]

can you post the line in question?

since we also see objects spawning below bedrock or in the air (when they are supposed to be burried) I am wondering if it is a generic issue with setting surface levels of terrain and water and the texture thing was just an unsuccessful workaround

[mental jay]

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/woot19-paper_fifield_0.pdf

Look at that ship

[fallow meadow]

@nocturne dune I would use NMSSE:
https://github.com/goatfungus/NMSSaveEditor

[nocturne dune]

k

download all i presume?

[fallow meadow]

If you scroll down the page, you see 'latest version' after the images.
Download the exe, which is a self-extracting archive. So put it in a folder you can easily find again and run it to have the files extract there. Then it requires the main .jar file to run

Your save files can be found here:

[hardy aurora]

Save File Locations

GoG: %appdata%\HelloGames\NMS\DefaultUser\...
Steam: %appdata%\HelloGames\NMS\st_<Steam64ID>\...
Game Pass: %LocalAppData%\Packages\HelloGames.NoMansSky_bs190hzg1sesy\SystemAppData\wgs\...
Linux (Steam):
$HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/275850/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Application Data/HelloGames/NMS/st_<Steam64ID>/...

Note: When sharing saves in a report to Hello Games, it is best to create a package/archive of the full folder shown for your platform above (.zip/.rar).

Shared by: @fallow meadow

[fallow meadow]

Just copy the full NMS folder somewhere you can find it again

[nocturne dune]

ok

have to install java...right? 🙂

[fallow meadow]

If not installed just yet, then yes. Make sure to get the 64-bit version.
To check, you can open a Command Prompt and type the following and hit enter to see if Java is there:
java -version

Let me know once you are about to run NMSSE

[nocturne dune]

@fallow meadow didn't run...LOL

[fallow meadow]

Do you see the extracted files?

[nocturne dune]

yes

[fallow meadow]

I may have said it wrong, is there a .bat file?

[nocturne dune]

yep

[fallow meadow]

run that, the one that does not have 4G in the name

[nocturne dune]

it just crashed i guess .... idk

i did

[fallow meadow]

Can you verify java, which I explained above and copy the text or show a screenshot?

[nocturne dune]

the command window popups then closes in seconds

tried run in administrator..none

[fallow meadow]

running as admin is not needed

[nocturne dune]

i know

if this doesn't work then at least i got the rainbow 🙂

[fallow meadow]

Can you do the java -version and show me what it says?

[nocturne dune]

how do you open and command prompt?

[fallow meadow]

just click start or search and type 'cmd', it should show

[nocturne dune]

it closes immediately.... hhhmmm

[fallow meadow]

That is odd and likely why NMSSE is not working either

Let me see what I can come up with

or try open cmd as admin?

[nocturne dune]

i did...didn't work....searching for solution online despite i'm in UPS mode now....power outage

[fallow meadow]

Might be your windows having an issue.
You can try running SFC and DISM by following instructions here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-files-79aa86cb-ca52-166a-92a3-966e85d4094e

If you are having power outages, you may want to try at a later time. If so, just @ me again

[nocturne dune]

power is back

restorehealth successful...doing startcomponentcleanup 🙂

[wintry quartz]

hey so how do i go back to the pathfinder version of nms

[fallow meadow]

Steam?

[wintry quartz]

yes

it told me manifest not available

[fallow meadow]

Basically not, but there is an alternative to what used to be possible with Steam

Look for SteamRE/DepotDownloader

[nocturne dune]

Windows Resource Protection could not start the repair service. 😦

[fallow meadow]

Can you open PowerShell?

[wintry quartz]

alright got it

[nocturne dune]

yes...i did all at powershell...scannow doesn't work...LOL

while the DISM is successful

[fallow meadow]

Follow instructions from there and do some searching on how to prevent Steam from messing it up again by trying to update. (edit manifest, to fool Steam in thinking it is updated already)

[fallow meadow]

sfc /scannow is not working either?

[nocturne dune]

yeah but the DISM commands work

no error from them

[fallow meadow]

Something seems wrong with your windows install

[nocturne dune]

maybe because the Windows 10 version is different...LOL

i think not

[fallow meadow]

These system tools have been around for ages and should always work correctly or something is wrong ... or as you say, 'different'

[nocturne dune]

maybe because i had it cloned?

[fallow meadow]

I am not quite sure what to say. I am however afraid that if you wish to use NMSSE, you will have to do a windows repair to get this functioning again

[nocturne dune]

idk.... forget about that golden starship trail then.... 🙂

thanks for the help though

[fallow meadow]

Fine with me, just trying to help

I could suggest to try the alternative Save Editor, but I am afraid it will also run into issues

[nocturne dune]

yeah i know...it's just a trail though but yah...bye2x 2100 qs

[fallow meadow]

I am sorry to hear ...

Oh well, you did get one of them to work now, right?

[nocturne dune]

darn! i should've disabled mp before entering and buying it at anomaly

weird

[fallow meadow]

If you ever get it sorted, do not hesitate to ask for help again

[nocturne dune]

yah will do

[smoky wing]

It's a line from the shader, and wouldn't mean much without a lot more context. It calculated the waterline based on an exponential scaling of the water's approximate depth. The approximate depth calculation itself isn't entirely accurate either (varies considerably with player's POV) which exaggerates the error more. I changed it to a very quick linear fade instead.

[shadow pivot]

I see, so the depth itself is already innacurate

[smoky wing]

Yes, though the exponential-based fade is still wonky with better approximations (which I added). That's what I was saying I was puzzled about, why they made the fade exponential not linear.

[nocturne dune]

need to repair my OS.....darn 🙂

not working even in safe mode

[wintry quartz]

the system cannot find the file specified

shit

after double checking the ids i gave the programm i think they are correct

[merry wasp]

heh id in NMS are weird and not consistant

ID or Id is sometimes a real pain in my ass

[echo bridge]

I built a Save Pont in my settlement construction office some time ago. The newest patch caused plants to grow up through the office floor and the Save Point to disappear. I thought it had been removed but when I try to build another it is prevented. Message is: only one Save Point allowed in local area. Any suggestions on how to find/expose/fix the invisible Save Point? Could any easy to use mod help me find it? I really liked having it in the office.

[vocal zodiac]

always check your structs

[vocal zodiac]

it's an issue with the way the game generates player-placeable stuff and the settlements. technically they're simmed like they're a base, which is why they can get all the base stuff and parts, but they cant like take modifications from you when they're generated

[echo bridge]

The Save Point was fine until 3.68?

[vocal zodiac]

i guess its something to do with parenting or whatever
when you place a save point in a building it acts like you didn't do that and when it's placed again the game's like "mmm no there's a base here, out"

[echo bridge]

Is there any way to find the Save Point in the json NMSSaveEditor exports, and then move it?

Or deletel it?

[vocal zodiac]

i wouldn't know unfortunately, i dont edit saves

really sorry

someone else could lend a hand though, im sure

im just a script kiddie with some c# knows lol

[echo bridge]

np. Just looking for some basic info. I am not a kiddie, but I am ok with json, xml, etc.

[merry wasp]

!moddinglink

[hardy aurora]

https://discord.gg/22ZAU9H

[merry wasp]

try there

[echo bridge]

ty

[merry wasp]

if people keep posting my mod doesnt work and it work on my load order i will tart to prepare some premade message s XD

[haughty marsh]

O.o Gumsk LOL why.... 😂 gBase instead of GBase, goddamn vortex doesn't like you anymore 😛 I updated and I have a whole new install to go chop files from

[vale iron]

Seriously? That's a problem with Vortex in my opinion :p So it's treating them like separate mods?

[haughty marsh]

yuppers

obv not the biggest deal in the world, just felt like groaning about it 😂

[vale iron]

They have a damned mod number, why would they do that? Crazy

[haughty marsh]

indeed O.o I didn't even notice that

should tie any updates to the number.

[merry wasp]

ha thats a weird bug indeed

i've installed mods that change their names completely over an update and vortex is still fine

kinda an old comment on my mod page, but i should really try this

[vale iron]

What's the core value in vanilla for the new parts?

Got too much open right now to check myself 🙂

[merry wasp]

no clue tbh don't know their id's

[vale iron]

HYPERDRIVE_SPEC, LAUNCHER_SPEC, PULSE_SPEC I think?

[merry wasp]

don't really find em

probably looking in the wrong files

[vale iron]

I just finished something I was working on and checked. Those are set to True, so yeah it's odd that they could delete them

[merry wasp]

hmm gonna check my mod then

unless older version had the core values wrong but looking at my mod edits it doesn't change those Spec core values

or there is an underlying issue we don't see XD

[honest herald]

I would recommend you try digging around in the ground near where it was. Also look carefully in the walls and such. I've had some stuff built in settlement get shifted up, down, and sideways.

If that fails, NomNom may be able to help. Not sure.

[echo bridge]

I can't use the terrain manipulator in a settlement. Plus the invisible save point is inside a settlement building. At least it was when I built it.

I looked at the json. There are objects named BUILDSAVE. Do you think those are Save POints?

[honest herald]

Seems possible. I would just back up your entire save folder with all files in it.

Then you can't really go wrong trying stuff

[echo bridge]

Yep.

[honest herald]

I may have a mod for this issue.

I haven't terrain edited lately but I HAVE extensively and I think it's because I have expanded my personal base boundaries to cover my settlement

This allows me to build a personal house in settlement and such.

And terrain manipulation was never an issue.

[echo bridge]

The thing is I cannot figure out the Position{}. The save point was in the same room as the settlement teleporter, but there is no BUILDSAVE Position{} even close to it.

[honest herald]

Unless they've updated, may help.

I can open my file and look around. One sec

[echo bridge]

thanks

[honest herald]

Was it a beacon or not?

[echo bridge]

Was a Save Point. BUILDBEACON appears to be beacons.

[honest herald]

Okay, cool. Well if they have BUILDBEACON, BUILDSAVE being a normal save point seems likelier.

NomNom unfortunately does not have any apparent info on save points in my bases

[echo bridge]

I have been using NMSSaveEditor

[vale iron]

There's a separate section for items not associated with bases. It might be there.

Hold on, I'll get the folder

[echo bridge]

Let me ask this. Do you think the Position{} of an object would always be relative to the planet? Or is it possible that objects built on a base are relative to the base computer?

[vale iron]

It's relative to the base computer if it's associated with that base

[echo bridge]

Ah. I need to do some math. 🙂

[vale iron]

PlayerStateData\BaseBuildingObjects is for items unassociated with a base. it is relative to a zero point in the system

[echo bridge]

Sorry for all the questions, but is Position{x,y,z} where z is elevation? Or something else?

[honest herald]

y is elevation

[vale iron]

It's not that simple, unfortunately

[honest herald]

Really?

Usually, in 3D animation, y is elevation in my experience.

[vale iron]

It is, in relation to the zero point, but that zero point is likely not perfectly aligned to the planet's surface. I guess if you were just trying to get an estimate, it's good enough

[honest herald]

I see what you mean

Wrong thing not that simple.

[echo bridge]

Well, if I can figure out which of my save point is the one in the settlement, I can just increase the elevation until I can interact with it. Even if it is floating

[honest herald]

Decrease you mean?

OH

[echo bridge]

I vae been assuming it is buried?

[honest herald]

Increase its elevation

[echo bridge]

Yes

[honest herald]

Yeah that would work in theory if you have access to the correct object

[vale iron]

Or you can just delete the object in the save file

[honest herald]

Good point

[echo bridge]

Exactly.

[vale iron]

I've done that many a time when experimenting with space bases

[echo bridge]

Well I have some ideas to work with now. Thanks to both of you for the help.

I only have 10 save points, so brute force/trial and error is always an optiion

[honest herald]

lol Gumsk is this probably a Save Beacon that has no associated base? (Or do beacons in general have no base?) Guessing maybe it's a beacon I lost somewhere.

[vale iron]

Yeah, I would delete that

[honest herald]

lmao

And this looks like a lost refiner:

So I can just delete the whole node, yeah? The [0] and [1] folders?

[vale iron]

I frequently cleanse my BaseBuildingObjects and TerrainEditData or whatever that folder is

Yeah, just select all and delete

[honest herald]

haha sick

[echo bridge]

So since your screenshot show it what are Up{} and As{}? Any idea?

[honest herald]

Great question. No. At a glance, Position seems like it might be stellar in nature

So perhaps Up or At is planetary

[vale iron]

Unknown to me, never dug deep enough to figure it out. I think up is something to do with rotational position

[honest herald]

I am guessing Position is stellar because of the huge numbers, but that could be misleading.

[vale iron]

@fallow meadow very likely knows, if she's around

[fallow meadow]

I am around now ... lol

[echo bridge]

Figuring out Position{} is enough to start for now. The settlement teleporter is likely relative to the middle of the settlement and the save point something else

[honest herald]

Do save points get naturally associated with the bases in which you build them in the save data?

[fallow meadow]

BaseBuildingObjects? Those are objects placed but not belonging to a base

[honest herald]

Nah, Dev, we're curious about those screenshots

Gumsk was sure about what BBO is for.

[echo bridge]

Like BUILDSAVE I assume?

[fallow meadow]

Depends if placed within a base or not.

[vale iron]

The UP and AT entries

[fallow meadow]

What screenhots?

Sorry, trying hard to catch up

[honest herald]

So then yes. I am attempting to only refer to the save points that are in fact built within a defined base.

[echo bridge]

An this issuse is in a settlement, not one of my bases.

[honest herald]

This @fallow meadow

[fallow meadow]

Up and At are just vectors for orientation of the object

[echo bridge]

Ok. That makes sense

[honest herald]

Not to me... Why would it need two vectors for the orientation of a single object?

FYI @echo bridge I just deleted all my BaseBuildingObjects manually via JSON with no obvious immediate consequences, so maybe try that.

It could be an easy quick fix to this

We may not need to know or play with any positions if the save point is in that folder because you never built it in a base proper

[echo bridge]

Ok. Last resort.

[fallow meadow]

Considering this is BaseBuildingObjects, not PersistentPlayerBases, this means it is an object placed out in the open somewhere. The location is the Galactic Address and Region, which is basically a system, with a location of the Position coordinates and orientation of Up and At for that Position.

[honest herald]

Unless there is a SEPARATE folder for that-built-within-settlements.

[honest herald]

Do you know exactly what the "up" orientation describes?

[fallow meadow]

You will not easily notice any changes by just deleting objects there, unless you are right next to any of those objects.

[honest herald]

Basically I meant my save isn't broken lol

[fallow meadow]

I would not say it to be smart to do just 'delete' stuff unles syou know what you are doing to begin with

[vale iron]

Sorry for pinging you, hope you weren't busy with something. You were just the best person I knew for base building save data

[honest herald]

I just deleted a refiner and a beacon, so hopefully a harmless edit

@fallow meadow

[echo bridge]

@Devillin Pixy the background on this is pre 3.68 I build a save point in my settlement office. Post 3.68 the save point is not abe to be interacted with, but trying to build another is not allowed because one already exists.

[fallow meadow]

Don't worry about it. If I were truly busy, I would not be here right now

[honest herald]

Do save points in settlements go anywhere special?

Or would that be a BBO thing to your knowledge?

[fallow meadow]

Interesting, because for as far as I am aware, there are no limits to Save Point amount when placed within a base area

Save Points are required to be placed within Base area, whereas a Beacon can go anywhere

[echo bridge]

3.68 changed the settlement terrain. I have been assuming it ended up burying the save point

[vale iron]

I can check that, the build limits, one sec

[fallow meadow]

So what is at the core of this discussion? A Save Point in a settlement?

[echo bridge]

yes

[fallow meadow]

Was a base expanded to get it placed?

[honest herald]

No

(he cannot terrain manipulate there so I already know this is not hacked)

[echo bridge]

No. Maybe we are not talking about the same object.

[fallow meadow]

Would it have been part of a base, or located outside?

[honest herald]

(Probably outside unless a settlement qualifies as an alternate form of base in save data)

[fallow meadow]

Well, let's not forget, a settlement comes with some of it's own rules

[fallow meadow]

Settlements are not stored like a base

[vale iron]

Both beacon and save point have a region limit of 1. Beacon has a planet limit of 5, though that's not an issue here.

[echo bridge]

I build a save point in the office of my settlement without that location being withing a base i created with a base computer.

[vale iron]

that should be in BBO then

[honest herald]

FYI, I think the issue is that the original is very very close to where he is trying to place the new one. They must be overlapping. Perhaps it's partially hidden in his wall.

[honest herald]

Wait you can only place 1 save point per region????

[fallow meadow]

Ok, so if not part of a base (near), you should be able to find it within the BBO data

[honest herald]

Never noticed this lmao.

[echo bridge]

Ok. This helps a lot.

[fallow meadow]

Who's screenshot is it that I have been looking at?

[honest herald]

Mine

[fallow meadow]

Ok

Clean BBO to be honest. Usually a lot more in there

[honest herald]

I try to avoid leaving stuff out in the wild

The refiner and save point were accidents

and if I could've found them naturally they'd have been gone too

[fallow meadow]

Portable Objects ...

[honest herald]

I don't have enough space to carry many port objects. Only the refiner in my inventory.

[fallow meadow]

So we are looking for this Save Point inside a settlement, but at the same time wondering why another can not be placed?

[honest herald]

Well, we assume we know why.

[fallow meadow]

@echo bridge Are you using Save Editor

[honest herald]

He had a Save Point there, and the game hid it.

[echo bridge]

4 of 10 of my BUILDSAVE objects are in BBO

Yes NMSSaveEditor, exported json.

[vale iron]

I'd guess it's one of those

[fallow meadow]

Now keep in mind, you may not just want to go about deleting them just like that. So let's make sure we are getting the right one...
Remember how I said there is location data with it? Your settlement will also have a Galactic Address, which is info the save point should have too and be identical

[honest herald]

@echo bridge you could probably isolate which of them by placing a portable refiner near that spot and checking the save data again

Check the coords to see which is closest to the new refiner

[echo bridge]

Wow. Awesome idea.

[honest herald]

If you don't want to go deleting all your BBO like we do

[fallow meadow]

Also let me ask if a backup was made?

[honest herald]

I told him to

[echo bridge]

I always make backups.

I want to go back to galactic address. The teleporter in the office and the missing save point should have the same galactic address?

[fallow meadow]

@echo bridge I assume the settlement it is placed in, belongs to you?

[echo bridge]

Yes.

[fallow meadow]

Ok, so this means you should be able to find the settlement in the Save Data (SettlementStatesV2)

[echo bridge]

yes

[fallow meadow]

You can search for owner (SteamID or other platform ID), or search for Name (if you know the colony name)

[honest herald]

@fallow meadow Here?

[fallow meadow]

I would open up the +

Then go index by index

[honest herald]

Does that highlighted position not match settlement position?

[fallow meadow]

Or the full data, but it is usually one of the top ones that you own

[honest herald]

Wait is this not strictly for settlement as opposed to bases?

[vale iron]

That one looks like it's an undeveloped settlement, but I don't know my state numbers yet

[fallow meadow]

Scroll down the data, check for your name (USN) or something you recognise as yours

[fallow meadow]

Actually looks like one pretty much developed

[vale iron]

Thanks, like I said, don't know the numbers yet 🙂

[echo bridge]

I can find the settlement object. When you said "go index by index" what did that mean?

[fallow meadow]

1047679 is max value if I recall correctly. All buildings pretty much having that value means it is almost fully built

[vale iron]

If you click the plus on the left side, it will open up a list of indexes, 0 to whatever

[honest herald]

Ahhhhhhh

[vale iron]

Then you can click on one at a time to check them

[honest herald]

So this is probably me:

[fallow meadow]

Go index by index on the left side, means to expand the + and click the [0], [1], [2], etc

[honest herald]

Given this:

[fallow meadow]

There are 100 settlements

[fallow meadow]

Yes, that one appears yours

[honest herald]

Why does our save data contain info on 100 effin settlements?

[fallow meadow]

As said, usually at the top or near

[honest herald]

lmao

[fallow meadow]

So likely index 0, 1, or close

[honest herald]

Index 1

[vale iron]

It's for settlements you encounter but don't own. Be glad; they have previously erred on the side of too little space for data

[echo bridge]

Hang on. I am looking at the json in something other than the editor. Let me switch to it. I have never tried to use it that way/

[honest herald]

I see.

[fallow meadow]

Once you find your settlement data, we need to copy the location data from it, which includes UA and Position, which we then use to compare against the BBO Save Points to know which it is

Now of course HG makes it easy on us, to use a UA in combination with a GA ... lol

[vale iron]

Oh god, I didn't notice that

[fallow meadow]

Which is a diff of decimal interpretation (UA) against a hex interpretation (GA)

Might be able to skip that entirely if the BBO is short and position is close enough to know for sure regardless of UA/GA

I hope I am still making sense

[echo bridge]

So this is my settlement

{
"UniqueId":"9a20b3c5b00c1a87",
"UniverseAddress":4631147225531644,
"Position":[
90302.1171875,
-14497.8125,
88284.5
],

[fallow meadow]

Ok, now go check the BBO list of objects

You said there were like 4 Save Points in there?

Maybe just copy the same from those and compare against eachother

[echo bridge]

Here is the first of 4 BUILDSAVE in BBO

{
"Timestamp":1627672922,
"ObjectID":"^BUILDSAVE",
"GalacticAddress":"0x20B5000493BED5",
"RegionSeed":"0xF2E0A20852D68433",
"UserData":0,
"Position":[
4802.80859375,
-1684.4957275390626,
130154.921875
],
"Up":[
0.036872491240501407,
-0.012932349927723408,
0.9992362856864929
],
"At":[
0.999268651008606,
-0.009661545976996422,
-0.036998726427555087
]
},

[fallow meadow]

Doesn't seem to be it, coord is way off

[echo bridge]

Ok, what did you compare to conclude that? That is where I am stuck.

I can be slow, but I always get there 🙂

[fallow meadow]

                "Position":[
                    90302.1171875,
                    -14497.8125,
                    88284.5

vs

                "Position":[
                    4802.80859375,
                    -1684.4957275390626,
                    130154.921875
                ],

[echo bridge]

Ok. I thought you said it was more complicated that that. I misunderstood.. Let me check the other 3

[fallow meadow]

Without checking the GA vs UA, so I am just assuming same system, then seeing totally diff positions

I am expecting positions to be kinda close, but in case of multiple being close, we might have to check GA/UA to make sure

[echo bridge]

Ok. This is weird based on what you have said. GA should be hex, right?

[fallow meadow]

Often yes, but they are used inconsistently it seems

[echo bridge]

These to are not shown as hex

{
"Timestamp":1630446330,
"ObjectID":"^BUILDSAVE",
"GalacticAddress":5119326155779348,
"RegionSeed":"0x2136F8B66D75A155",
"UserData":0,
"Position":[
30972.23046875,
62759.49609375,
-109938.0234375
],
"Up":[
0.23765523731708527,
0.48156434297561648,
-0.8435731530189514
],
"At":[
0.27879151701927187,
-0.8657321929931641,
-0.415671706199646
]
},

{
"Timestamp":1631557826,
"ObjectID":"^BUILDSAVE",
"GalacticAddress":4631147225531644,
"RegionSeed":"0xA69E3A4479001124",
"UserData":0,
"Position":[
-33656.8046875,
-14501.9345703125,
53309.64453125
],
"Up":[
-0.5202654004096985,
-0.2241702675819397,
0.8240580558776856
],
"At":[
0.07982858270406723,
0.9479434490203857,
0.30827051401138308
]
},

Sorry for pasting text instead of screenshots...

[fallow meadow]

3 down, 1 more to come?

[echo bridge]

The above are two of the three

[fallow meadow]

And yes, sometimes it may be better to do certain things in DM, due to the amount of info going back/forth

[echo bridge]

I am beginning to think deleting all 4 is the way to go.

Or maybe one at a time until I find it

[fallow meadow]

Build Save

                "Timestamp":1631557826,
                "ObjectID":"^BUILDSAVE",
                "GalacticAddress":4631147225531644,

vs Settlement

{
                "UniqueId":"9a20b3c5b00c1a87",
                "UniverseAddress":4631147225531644,

Might actually be the one despite position?

That was the last Build Save you posted (number 3)

[echo bridge]

Nice! I didn't see that at first. I am sure you are right.

[fallow meadow]

I was mostly focused on position. Now wondering why such a diff, but at least the same GA/UA

[echo bridge]

Let me delete it and see what happens. Gotta get another cup of coffee forst though

[fallow meadow]

Make sure to keep formatting in-tact

So delete the full block {...}, but also make sure about the surrounding blocks to have a comma or not

[echo bridge]

Yep. I will get back here is 15 min or so with the results. Thanks for all the help.