nms-modding

[hearty wasp]

ok

[safe swan]

also this happens: https://imgur.com/a/ybEU4RC

Imported Lé bike

[hearty wasp]

oh

the bike's referenced

[safe swan]

ohgodno

[hearty wasp]

remember you turned off recursive reference?

[safe swan]

yes?

[hearty wasp]

it might be fine

try turning that on again

[safe swan]

you mean import recursevly

[hearty wasp]

yeah

since the bike isn't a proc gen sene

so it shouldn't need to read the descriptor

[safe swan]

welll

https://imgur.com/a/okOWQ7m

even with that turned ... off? again

[hearty wasp]

there should be an error produced still

since the red bar

[safe swan]

oh burh

gimmie a sec

[hearty wasp]

just import it again lol

[safe swan]

thats literally what i am doing

[hearty wasp]

lol

[safe swan]

https://imgur.com/a/hYjCEj8

[hearty wasp]

unpack path

man it really isn't saving

[safe swan]

well

https://imgur.com/a/QWD9Gdr

[hearty wasp]

yeah I really dunno why it doesn't save :/

[safe swan]

thats not the issue

[hearty wasp]

ok so did you set your unpack path to pcbanks again

[safe swan]

oh

it

[hearty wasp]

or did you move your unpack to pcbanks

[safe swan]

didnt

save

that

[hearty wasp]

lol

[safe swan]

OH GOD DAMMIT

https://imgur.com/a/K6AC6U8 excuse me wtf

[hearty wasp]

oh those are the decals

at least the materials imported ok this time around

nice to know how the decals are meshed lmfao

[safe swan]

though the colors of the thing...

[hearty wasp]

actually is p useful

oh yeah

the ingame colours? added on by the game

cos you can customise em

so they're tinted with reference to the blue channel of the mask texture

white's for primary and grey's for secondary colour

[safe swan]

grey? or black

why doesnt it smooth shade?

even if i smooth shade?

[hearty wasp]

could be grey or black tbh lol I'm not very knowledgeable in terms of proc gen / character customisation colour appliance

[safe swan]

me neither

[hearty wasp]

I'm only good at buildable colourisations lol

[safe swan]

xd

[hearty wasp]

NMSDK 's way of import is a bit weird like that

but if you export it'll be smooth

you can even export to obj and then reimport and you'll see smooth lmao

[safe swan]

but it aint

https://imgur.com/a/jmmYy3G

[hearty wasp]

yeah ik

idk why it happens on mbin import either

[safe swan]

huh

[odd stag]

@vale iron did you already managed to get expedition game mode completly work by editing the save, so that its usable for offline only players?

[lean saffron]

@paper stone

[paper stone]

ah, thank you

[lean saffron]

Hey all. I've been running an experiment related to crashed ship sites in a system where I've marked 121 crash sites. It seems that at the 120 mark, or thereabouts, I've hit a cap of some kind, and new waypoints are no longer visible on the HUD. Is there a mod or some other way for dealing with that?

[vale iron]

Yeah I got an existing save converted to expeditions and new saves setup to pretty much any point. I'm not sure if it would be playable offline, though

[odd stag]

@vale iron do you think you can give me an instruction what i need to change (maybe as pm if it's to much to post it here), so that i can try it for an offline only save?

[vale iron]

The first problem being that you can't even start a save, correct? I would say create a normal save, or take an existing one, then we will change the version number and paste in the necessary data that's not in a normal save

[hushed bronze]

that planet is red n stuff

[vale iron]

Released my new ships mod: GShip Custom.
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1891

[round sinew]

awesome stuff

[odd stag]

i created a new save in normal mode, changed the version number. But i know nothing about the other stuff 🙂

[vale iron]

Crap I don't be at my computer for several hours. If someone can help, there are two folders at the end of playerstatedata that aren't in normal saves. I think it's the presence of these folders plus the version number that gets you started.

[fallow meadow]

If you mean the SeasonalData and SeasonState, they should both be present with zeroed/empty values for most of it. There are likely some specific values required in some spots. Not looked into it myself though. I guess I could create a new Expeditions save, then quit to get default start data?

[vale iron]

Yeah the stuff like expedition end time is in there for an expedition save but not a normal save. I think that's one of the main components

[fallow meadow]

Are you around or in a hurry to try this @odd stag ? I can likely help get you started

[fallow meadow]

Will see and help if need be, else I'll leave it to you, if that's ok

[round sinew]

@hushed bronze this particular planet, the sunset colors don't really match - idk how i feel about that, but i realize that's probably out of your control 😦

like uh, daytime bright(er) green, night time darker green, but sunset sky turns light blue

it was just a bit weird seeing a sunset on this planet hehe

😄

[hushed bronze]

@round sinew In the currently-posted version, I discarded the old hack where "dusk" was technically night and night was removed all to hack the game into doing custom nights

the reason being that HG solved the underlying structural stupid that made that a necessity

However, I haven't caught up to the point of actually making custom dusks yet so for the time being it gives you vanilla

[round sinew]

ah, i understand 🙂 yeah, no problem

take your time ofc

[hushed bronze]

Sadly, when I do make some dusks, I still have no way of actually making them link up so the combinations of night, dusk, and day will still be rando

but at least now I dont have to mess up everyones flashlights and headlights with a night-deleting hack XD

[round sinew]

hahah

😄

well, at least when you do add some dusks into it, we will have the chance to see even more colors on sunsets so that's good 😄

[hushed bronze]

indeed

[west needle]

well to be fair, on planets like earth, the sky is light blue by day, dark blue/black at night, but turns red and orange at sunset

so it makes sense that an alien planet could have a sunset that's a different color than the sky during the day/night

[hearty wasp]

what happen

[merry wasp]

is there mod that makes us able to buy multiple suit upgrades at 1 station?

[hearty wasp]

no

that's for the former question, not the latter

whenever you think a thing that has more than 3 specific features, the answer is 99% "no"

the remaining 1% is when you beg someone specifically to make it for you, or when you make it yourself

[timid wasp]

Does anyone have a proper shadows mod? (To have lights in the game cast shadows)

[hearty wasp]

I'm not sure we can change how light works in the this game other than making them volumetric

also they don't cast shadows? I never noticed

do lights really not cast shadows tho? I was pretty sure they do

[timid wasp]

Only the sun does

[hearty wasp]

at least the quadratic falloff ones

[timid wasp]

In my experience at least, everything on ultra

[hearty wasp]

actually it may be the linear ones

tbh I never cared enough to notice lol good eye

[timid wasp]

Inside spaceships and so on I've never seen a shadow on any character models or envrionment models...Or even the flashlight at night, it doesn't cast any shadows

It just makes everything look very flat and floatey despite the great unique colors and looks

[hearty wasp]

I just looked at relight and yeah there's really no shadows lol

I assume it's too resource intensive for em

truly we learn something new everyday

but still since we can't edit shaders I'm not sure if there's a switch we can turn on to have additional shadows

[timid wasp]

Ah, too bad. Did they mention any plans to allow for new materials/shaders? I've only seen post processing mods like reshade so far

[rich harbor]

Well I know how to turn a expedition mode into perma death just wish I could turn it into a normal save then I’d be good, If anyone knows how that would help 😊

[vale iron]

If you know the Permadeath code, I think normal is 512 lower than that

I'm out for the day but can look it up later

[torpid elk]

@hushed bronze can u build on an abandoned station with BBB?

[vale iron]

No

[torpid elk]

[vale iron]

None of us have found a way to build on any stations yet

Thati know of

[hushed bronze]

There is one really stupid exception, which is to make the space station a buildable base part and put one on the ground 😛

[torpid elk]

works for me 👍

[hushed bronze]

The scaling makes sure it pretty much doesn't work at all XD

[torpid elk]

it seems like freighter structures r not part of BBB?

.. nor r gas extractors any more

the build menu on freighters all screwy or im doing it wrong

nvm .. its under specialist

cant find gas extractors tho

[hushed bronze]

I think the one managing the updates had slightly different ideas about the industrial pats than I do, but the lua is available and should be set up for easy customization

[torpid elk]

that seems like work 🤔

[hushed bronze]

ofc its also possible an eror was made, idk

[torpid elk]

which part of the .lua ? .. theres alot in here

"BuildableOnFreighter" ?

[hushed bronze]

idk, I didnt make the lua

[torpid elk]

-- If O2_ATMO_HARVESTERS_ANYWHERE = true, adds Oxygen and Atmosphere harvesters to the list of parts buildable anywhere (not only on bare terrain)

[hushed bronze]

But yes, buildableonfreighter=true lets the thing be built on a freighter

buggy for extractors tho

[torpid elk]

I had them set up before .. they worked geat

[hushed bronze]

I would guess the build-anywhere includes terrain types

[torpid elk]

I wanna build a Moon Pool on my Freighter

.. also, on a side note .. I'm wondering if there is a way to vault the ceilings in Freighter Rooms

like some stuff is just too big for standard size room

[vale iron]

Use cuboids

[torpid elk]

and domes

[vale iron]

And the line you posted above is commented out. I'm guessing you would need to get rid of -- on some lines

[torpid elk]

it cuts the tops off my shrooms

I think i need an Exocraft on my Freighter too

[vale iron]

Make sure you either have a mod that makes space safe or you use the Minotaur so you can survive

[hushed bronze]

Scale the shroom

[torpid elk]

rather scale the rooms

[hearty wasp]

no, vulkan shaders are precompiled and there is currently no way to edit them, not really up to HG except allowing OpenGL rendering again, which they can but won't cos why waste time maintaining another rendering system lol

[hearty wasp]

there're double height parts in derelict freighters

I was thinking on adding em but I'm still waiting for the current release of the big one

finna be soul crushing to figure out how to integrate them into the existing single height rooms

[torpid elk]

can u scale parts?

[hearty wasp]

you can set whatever to be scalable

but snappoints don't

[torpid elk]

"snappoints" never really worked that well imo

[hearty wasp]

they used to work ok when then they snap at point of attachment

[torpid elk]

I still have build trauma from the old days 😩

[hearty wasp]

now it's just a fucking mess

and I have to make tuts for how to snap big stuff

[torpid elk]

ye, but the bigger and more complex u get, the worse it is imo

[hearty wasp]

it's a messed up system

[torpid elk]

yes

my OCD rages every time I have to build

[hearty wasp]

speaking of which I better take some screen shots on how to snap big stuff

[torpid elk]

freighter build system is slightly better imo

predefined structure and none of that messy wiring bs

[hearty wasp]

anyway the problem for double height freighter rooms doesn't lie on scalability lol

it's more of a "how do I seamlessly connect double height with single height rooms while keeping double height rooms expandable"

[vale iron]

Yeah I could never get rooms and halls to snap properly over about 150 to 200%

[torpid elk]

infuriating build system 😡

only time I rage quit NMS was the first day i used the new "wires"

[steel crypt]

@hearty wasp they can be decompiled into readable format, edited, and recompiled properly. There have been a couple of tests. Problem is, everything is really obfuscated now and branched off into many files from one. If you really know shaders well, you could probably guess right on what a lot of it is. I don’t lol. I have personally decompiled and looked through some of it and said yeah right.

[odd stag]

@vale iron @fallow meadow take your time, I'm just curious how to get this to work (if possible) for offline saves. Cause we have on GOG a large community of offline players that would also love to know how this could be done 🙂

[vale iron]

If you're still online in about 3 hours, send me a reminder and I should be to a computer by then and can lookup the folder contents

Hopefully only two, as I want to test this ship summoning LUA and get it posted up with my mod

[hearty wasp]

good to know. still sad to see the state of current shader editability tho

[steel crypt]

I did some shader modding. Didn't understand it a whole lot but did some "easier" stuff. I looked at it now and there is no way I could follow the spider web because I'm just not familiar enough with how shaders are usually done. There were a couple dudes pretty good at it that did some tests with me and they both tried and said maybe, but hell with the time it would take.

[hearty wasp]

I feel ya

[odd stag]

@vale iron would be awesome if you could have a look at it. I'll have to go in 10 minutes, don't know when I'll be back, but maybe you can quote me if you have time to look for the folders

[hearty wasp]

in random news, custom languages are working now

basically makes quest mods actually possible with custom lines cos goddamn they'll need it, that 0.2 of a person who'd want to make a quest mod

that one's in Chinese cos I was forced to have multi-language support

[quartz kernel]

Does the hidden Ambient Mode still work? I haven't tried it yet.

[hearty wasp]

what did that do again?

I can try it out real quick if need to

[echo oxide]

camera flyaround or something

[quartz kernel]

It's basically camera flying around, no real playing

[safe swan]

There is a TKcolourpalette file somewhere, but me cant find men stupid

[hearty wasp]

which palette are you looking for

[merry wasp]

has anyone ever tweaked ClassProbability?

cause seems oddly interesting to modify 😛

[vale iron]

Yes. It does exactly what you would expect.

[hearty wasp]

I'm certain there're already at least 2 mods on Nexus that set every ship to S class via this

[rich harbor]

would the json file be able to be edited in nomnom? for a w10 file. i'm trying to move my companions from one save to another

[fallow meadow]

NomNom has the ability to edit save files from Game Pass. I am however not familiar with it yet, as I still for now prefer NMSSE

@rich harbor I am actually not even sure if NomNom has been updated to properly support Expeditions. Shortly after release those saves would end up becoming Permadeath saves, so there may be an issue

[rich harbor]

yeah i'll keep hunting maybe i'll find an answer

[fallow meadow]

Yes, I am afraid you'll have to wait a while for a proper release

[rich harbor]

but also nomnom 100% is not up to date as it turned an expadition save into a perma death one lucky it was not my main one 😆

[fallow meadow]

I can't stress this enough, make backups

[merry wasp]

that seems overkill like a lot of mods

why are most mod like MAX everything and not like lets "balance"

[hearty wasp]

you assume I care

[merry wasp]

i know you don't

XD

[hearty wasp]

it's also just a way to answer your question with examples

[merry wasp]

thx for that 🙂

[rich harbor]

nope but any idea where i might change a gamemode from expadition to normal in the json file? W10 version

[merry wasp]

no clue

i barely started modding NMS

[lean saffron]

New to datamining. Which files might I want to look at, and can I use a text editor such as Sublime?

[hearty wasp]

depends on what you wanna mine

[lean saffron]

Planet generation, probably

[hearty wasp]

you can mine textures with paint.net

[lean saffron]

Building data, possibly

[hearty wasp]

mbincompiler and NP++, then

or AMUMSS explorer

but NP++ has styled format text so it's easier on the eyes

tbh tho there ain't much to "mine" other than stuff that's been there for years and people just didn't care to use

atm at least

[lean saffron]

Ok so mbincompiler for the conversion, and N++ or equivalent to browse what's inside

[hearty wasp]

yeah basically

just don't expect it to be fun often if mining is all you're doing lol

[lean saffron]

Cool
Looking for crash site info, which may be a white whale

[hearty wasp]

crash sites are uhh planetbuilding table stuff maybe

[lean saffron]

Yeah, so I hear

[hearty wasp]

idk haven't looked at planet proc gen stuff for a long time

too boring

[lean saffron]

Heh

[fallow meadow]

@lean saffron Could also use Modding Station if LUA is not really your thing. For a beginner just wanting to start looking into source files, I think Modding Station is a great tool

Sublime may work perfectly fine, as it is pretty similar to a decent code/text editor

[lean saffron]

Nice!

[fallow meadow]

I'll give you some links:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/320
https://github.com/monkeyman192/MBINCompiler
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/

Oh and let's add Amumss as well:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/957

[hearty wasp]

AMUMSS explorer just let one search for and view specific mbins without unpacking

it's great for the lazy

[fallow meadow]

I still have to give that a try by the way, as disk space may become precious

[hearty wasp]

I'm slowly losing space in my C

and I don't even install games in that one

[fallow meadow]

I don't use my OS drive for stuff like this, but I do use it for the games I currently play

I mean sure unpacking might be faster on my main drive, but it's gonna take a while anyway and I would have to keep moving it elsewhere to prevent it running full. Games I play I want to be fast

[rich harbor]

does anyone know how to access another account file using nomnom please its stuck to my account save location and i can't figure out how to change it. ty

[fallow meadow]

With Game Pass this is likely due to the way Microsoft does these things.

[rich harbor]

Oh I got it already had help from nomnom’s creator

[fallow meadow]

Ah nice, if anyone would know, it would be zencq

[rich harbor]

YUP

[odd crater]

Planet Skyrim.

Unrelated toxic worlds.

[vale iron]

I've got a couple hours free finally. Was I supposed to do anything for anyone?

[hushed bronze]

BUY ME A PIZZA

[tropic wind]

Join us and catch up on #the-fall-chapter-2 !

[vale iron]

I think that's going to take more than an hour or two 😛

[tropic wind]

well you can try

[vale iron]

I've been looking in occasionally to try to follow along. I'll do more reading on the 5-hour bus ride home later

And jeez, running a compare on save files takes a little bit of time

[rapid sandal]

How do you use NMS PCBANKS Explorer to view the files w/o unpacking ? I can view what files are in a .pak, but I don't see a way to view a mbin|exml without first unpacking it ?

[hearty wasp]

I'm afk but AMUMSS Explorer lets you search specific mbins and unpack just those for viewing. So the user doesn't need to unpack the entire game files is what I meant

[rapid sandal]

Ah, ok, i'd be kicking myself if it allowed viewing w/o unpacking, that's why I created NMS Pak Viewer.

[hearty wasp]

It's just self-contained enough that it doesn't feel like unpacking lol

[rich briar]

I notice that by default, NMS on steam has a folder labeled "MODS"

Do I just... place the mods there or something

[hearty wasp]

no

that one's fake

[rich briar]

[hearty wasp]

you make a MODS folder inside PCBANKS and put mods there

and yeet the txt inside while you're at it

[rich briar]

So is it fake, or just... placed in the wrong spot

[hearty wasp]

no it's fake

HG has other purposes for that one

[rich briar]

Oh

[hearty wasp]

just ignore it

[rich briar]

Mmkay

[hearty wasp]

You know what it is https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMm6gXERY2U

sad I can't post the vid in #no-mans-art

[marsh eagle]

Amaaaaaaaaaaaazing 🎆 🎆 🎆

[granite quarry]

is there a mod that lets you toggle the scanner instead of holding the LT button?

[hearty wasp]

autohotkey maybe

[glacial thistle]

So I've never used mods in NMS, how does it affect multiplayer?

[glacial thistle]

Oh, I'm trying to zoom in but my squinty eyes of blindness fails me. Is that really on the startup on NMS because that's a lot to read and not enough time to read it when it passes by when you boot up the game? Lmao.

[hearty wasp]

you can click "open original" to see it in the original size

also I just implemented the documentation into the startup image

you can see the original image here https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/824

[glacial thistle]

I clicked open original already and tried to zoom in as much as I could. I managed to read it all with my face up to the screen. Haha 😅
Okay, thank you. Uh. Is there a building mod you'd recommend that doesn't add anything new to NMS? I'm taking a look at this one: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1096?tab=posts and I'm reading the comments, seems to be an issue with things snapping with each other according to one player but that's only one player so far.

[hearty wasp]

that one don't add anything, no

snapping is just a placement system change

at the end of the day objects are saved in a corrdinate system

[round sinew]

these look great, keep em coming!

[merry wasp]

does anyone know what type of space ship are matching ingame with their Property name in files? I assume Freighter = Hauler, Scientific = Explorer, Shuttle = Shuttle, Royal = Exotic , Alien = living ship. I have no idea what DropShip or PlayerFreighter are meant to be tho. So am i in the right ballpark or am I km's off target?

[rapid sandal]

Dropship = Hauler

[merry wasp]

ha

thx

[hearty wasp]

freighter is freighter

so player freighter

is player's freighter

[light lintel]

does anyone know of a mod that lets everyone in the sesh see what's in the storage containers?

i don't like that they're instanced and my boyfriend can't see what i put in and that i can't see what he put in

[hearty wasp]

no

that data's prolly not transferred thru to the server and thus to other users

[low urchin]

I was stopping in to see if someone can explain why my game is crashing if I try to mod it. I can't even load in

I am using mods from the Updated recently category on nexus so I know they aren't old

Joew's Mod Manager detects no conflicts

But when I try to launch the game, it crashes on either the splash screen or the loading screen

[west needle]

It could be one mod specifically that wasn't updated correctly and is causing a crash
it can take a bit of time, but try removing all mods, and then putting them back in either individually or one at a time to see if you can figure out which one is causing the crash

[low urchin]

I can get exactly 1 to work

any 2 mods seem to cause a conflict

[odd stag]

@hushed bronze do you know if it is possible since the Expeditions update, to change the amount of sentinels that spawn in each wave?

[halcyon dock]

holy cow those modded screenshots 👌😩👌

[hushed bronze]

@odd stag Seems likely but I haven't tried or looked at the relevant files. I feel like I've seen a modder mentioning editing that since 3.3, but I'm not sure

@odd crater There he goes again with the hypertrees 😄

[low urchin]

Does anyone here know how to use AMUMSS? It seems to just close out of the program as soon as it asks if it should automatically place the combined files in the MODS folder. idk what I'm doing wrong

This is what the log dump says

??? Would you like to COPY the created Mod PAKs to your game folder and DELETE [DISABLEMODS.TXT]  [Y,N]?Y
\MODBUILDER was unexpected at this time.

[vale iron]

Does your AMUMSS folder have a MODBUILDER folder in it?

[odd crater]

What's wrong with building sized palm trees?

[vale iron]

@round sinew for what you want to do, yeah you need blender to start, for sure

Buta slightly older version. Let me see which one

[round sinew]

nod

[vale iron]

2.82 is what I'm using

[round sinew]

latest available for me is 2.92, i'll see about downgrading that later

[vale iron]

You need that because you need compatibility with NMSDK, which hasn't been updated for 2.9 yet

[round sinew]

yeah, np

[fallow meadow]

Could always just get the portable version so it allows you to install several versions of Blender if you wish

[round sinew]

i'll just build/deploy a package for an older version, oldest i have in cache is 2.90

nmsdk = https://monkeyman192.github.io/NMSDK/ ?

[vale iron]

Yeah, we'll do what we can with that, then address any problems that come up. I don't know exactly how out of date that one is

[fallow meadow]

https://github.com/monkeyman192/NMSDK

[round sinew]

ah

damn you ddg

thanks Pixy 🙂

[vale iron]

The next part is the fun part of just browsing through Sketchfab to find something you like (then praying it works for what you want to do)

[round sinew]

then we import it into blender and export it as nms model file?

[vale iron]

Yeah, but probably a lot of cleanup to do between those steps

NMSDK wants things in a very particular format. One texture and material per mesh, get rid of all the empty nodes, things like that. I should have written all this down when I did one

[round sinew]

oh, that's what you meant by cleanup

yep, i understand

i think this will be fun

haha 🙂

[vale iron]

Yeah, I enjoyed it for the most part, though it was a lot of learning for me. This was the first I had ever worked with NMSDK and not far from the first I had worked with Blender

[round sinew]

same here, eheu! no real experience with either 😄

[vale iron]

Luckily, we have an endpoint that we know works now, so less trial and error

Here's the one I started working on, but haven't finished

[round sinew]

👌

[vale iron]

All I really did was delete the pilot that was sitting at the front, split the cockpit mesh away so I could move it into closed position

[round sinew]

was reading some of the intro docs in github.io

oh so, the ships you've did recently, have their own cockpits?

[vale iron]

No, just that this one had the glass top open, so I needed to close it

[round sinew]

right, i misunderstood, sorry

but yeah, i get the example

of some cleaning up that might need to be done

[vale iron]

I only borrow models, can't do my own work. The Razor Crest is the only one with a modeled interior that maybe I could make use of?

And it would look sloppy up close

[round sinew]

i think i'll leave building my own models to much later haha

i'm in no way capable of doing such a thing rn

[vale iron]

Yeah, I think I'lll leave it to never, probably 😉

[fallow meadow]

You are both missing out, as it is great fun creating your own once you get somewhat familiar with Blender

[vale iron]

I just think I lack the skill. Maybe someday, but I doubt it!

[fallow meadow]

Then again, I had been working on a game and it just needs so many models that borrowing makes sense if you want to quickly get something done

[hearty wasp]

I have thomases

[fallow meadow]

choo chooo

[vale iron]

but an evil choo chooo

[round sinew]

is it just me or the camera is slightly tilted to one side?

like, the monitor right of the center display

the upper border, and the "line" behind it (from the hangar wall)

now compare to the monitor left of the center display

my eyes aren't deceiving me, are they

[vale iron]

There's definitely a tilt coming from somewhere

[round sinew]

once i notice this, i can't stop seeing it

it gets really annoying after a bit

this is the same thing that happens on moons

the slight tilt

tilted to the right side, as well

i'm pretty sure this will also happen in vanilla

if it's the same case as with moons

[fallow meadow]

Maybe they accidentally tilted the camera a bit? Some things are rendered on top the camera view, like the cockpit, but the freighter isn't. So the cockpit will always be fine no matter how much you rotate, but surroundings will look tilted

[round sinew]

i've reported the moon issue before multiple times

i'll add this to my next report as well i guess

i haven't seen many asking about/reporting this though

[fallow meadow]

I had not noticed it myself. Can check to confirm if you wish

[round sinew]

when you get to it, sure, i mean, no rush or anything

[fallow meadow]

Do you get the same on a Space Station?

[round sinew]

i'll check, have not noticed it there yet

i guess it's one of those things that a player won't see if not really "looking"

if that makes sense

[magic lava]

I get the same thing

[fallow meadow]

I can't see an issue on my end.

Checked Space Station as well, seems fine too

[round sinew]

can you see if you get the issue when looking at a building on a moon, please?

[fallow meadow]

My fighter in 2nd landing spot, so a bit harder to see, but appears straight once you can see passed the shadows

Ball Exotic 1st spot

[round sinew]

(trying to find a screenshot of a moon)

[fallow meadow]

Hauler 1st spot

How did you turn on your ship lights @round sinew ?

[vale iron]

I think just have your torch on when you enter the ship

[fallow meadow]

Tried without mods?

Is it the torch?

[vale iron]

I think so, but I could be mixing up something with exocraft

One of them leaves your torch until you take off or move

The exotic looks a little bit titled but hard to tell

[fallow meadow]

Torch shows for a brief moment after getting in ship, then turns off. Upon exit it takes a brief moment to turn on again

Turns off as soon as cockpit fully closes

[vale iron]

Ahh that must have been what I was thinking of, thanks

[round sinew]

hmm, i didn't do anything, ship lights are usually on when landed ?

can't find that moon screenshot, i've got way too many screenshots

lol

[fallow meadow]

I recall having seen it, but wasn't that way more of a tilt?

[vale iron]

Yeah thought that was like 30 degrees

[round sinew]

it's really easy to see on a trading outpost, looking to the side ramps (with your back to trading terminal)

[vale iron]

Maybe I'm thinking of a different bug

[round sinew]

the tilt on moons is way more noticeable

<#no-mans-sky message>

this

[vale iron]

Yeah that's a wee bit

[round sinew]

i'm used to not get any replies from zendesk but you know, for something like this, it would be nice lol

[fallow meadow]

Any mods installed @round sinew ?

[round sinew]

after a new update, i always do a run without mods - and take the opportunity to test a moon out

(for example, ran expeditions for a week without mods)

[vale iron]

Hmm I hope the attached entity files on the space encounters maintain the animations. That jellyfish would be cool to fly

[round sinew]

hehe 😄

[vale iron]

The drone had an entity but I stripped it out, so not sure what it does

[fallow meadow]

Odd issue then with the tilt. Must be something that caused it and somehow sticks to your game too

[round sinew]

i'd have to clear all saves and test that i guess

[fallow meadow]

The other night I could not for the life of me use my visor until I restarted. Would be a pain if an issue like that got stuck

[round sinew]

because this happens in the expeditions save as well, not just my main save, yeah

anyway, i realize this whole thing was a bit offtopic for #nms-modding

[fallow meadow]

Ok, back to behaving properly again

[round sinew]

thanks @fallow meadow

[round sinew]

@odd crater ok, i gotta ask, what's that mod

[round sinew]

😄

[fallow meadow]

Thats modding alright

[odd crater]

Mine?

[round sinew]

yeah, all of these cool screenshots

what mod makes that? 😄

[odd crater]

No, I mean it's my MOD, Better Planet Generation. It's on the Nexus.

[round sinew]

ahhh

sorry

my bad

[odd crater]

No problem.

I only recently started coming here.

[round sinew]

anyway, looks great 🙂

[odd crater]

I usually just lurked.

[round sinew]

i don't normally use terrain gen mods and stuff, but i definitely want to give them a go sometime in the future, most likely on my next playthrough

[odd crater]

By the way, how could I get a Modder status on Discord?

[round sinew]

probably ask one of the admins

[odd crater]

Ok.

Thanks

[round sinew]

👌

[vale iron]

I wish there were a non-emergency ping option, like "hey admins, if you're free, but no rush"

[round sinew]

heh yeah

[fallow meadow]

Wouldn't that be a ping to the mods

[vale iron]

I don't think the mods can grant roles can they?

[round sinew]

not sure

[fallow meadow]

I meant 'non-emergency' and I think they can, or at least for some roles

I have no clue how that works, but AdamB has been giving Pioneer roles as well

[vale iron]

Let's ask! <@&233305774745583618> Can you give @odd crater the modder role for Better Planet Generation? Or escalate the request, if appropriate?

Oh I need to get pioneer I guess, but deleted that save. I'll make another one this weekend

[round sinew]

i'm close to finishing

[sinful anvil]

[vale iron]

I did a clean run through then deleted it to make room for one where I can mod and save edit

[fallow meadow]

@vale iron Nobody noticed the huge numbers for some of the accomplishments shown on the final stats ... lol

[odd crater]

I caused a fuss.

[vale iron]

I think someone is watching us, shhh

[round sinew]

only need to complete explorer guild, extreme weather and sentinel killing milestones i think

[odd crater]

Woah thanks!

[round sinew]

aethena on point

[vale iron]

As always

[fallow meadow]

Oh my, guess who turned pink!

[round sinew]

congrats Woody!

🙂

[odd crater]

Thanks

[fallow meadow]

Pioneers completed! Distance travelled: 0ly, Systems mapped 0, Distance walked, 0u ... etc. lol

[round sinew]

yay...! what?

😛

[vale iron]

Haha yeah, thought about making one and fixing all that up so it at least looked legit

[fallow meadow]

I was lazy and got it passed security protocols

[vale iron]

I'm trying to figure out how to edit a normal save to expedition, but still hitting one road block

The tooltips don't show for the missions and they won't trigger

[fallow meadow]

Glad I actually started using your research done on it Gumsk, because a day or two after I found a diff way that wouldn't even require an Expeditions save

[vale iron]

I noticed a hash field. Hopefully they aren't actually using that

[fallow meadow]

Noticed that as well

So just creating a normal save, then copy the season data from a new expeditions save over to that normal, changing mode too, does not work?

[vale iron]

It partially works, enough that you could edit the completion, but not to play it

It's not reading the mission milestone requirements I guess

[fallow meadow]

Hmmm

I have not messed with that at all, as I left it to you

[vale iron]

I should take a closer look at that season data, maybe there's a boolean in there that might do something

[fallow meadow]

Still a few scrambled field names left

Only two of them from Expeditions though

[vale iron]

Yeah they made a couple more changes after Goatfungus updated

[fallow meadow]

So you think there is an actual back and forth with the server as you play?

[vale iron]

I'm not sure, as easy as it was to edit completion, I would guess not

[fallow meadow]

Yeah, I sure never expected that to be the case.

I might give it a try tonight, see what I run into

[vale iron]

Yeah I just had the three changes: version and two season folders

[fallow meadow]

Did you use the filled in season 'folders' from a new Expeditions save?

16 bytes for the hash, with only 8 used? Would that be some sort of ID being registered with the server?

[vale iron]

I did use the filled in folders from a new save, yes

[fallow meadow]

However tempting, I am not going to mess with it now.

[vale iron]

Yeah that's what I'm doing, resisting messing with it, need to sleep early :p

[fallow meadow]

@north nebula Have you finished all of Expeditions?

[north nebula]

Yeah, so I have one save (65hrs) that's completed it without any issues, I did it first, but was messy and inefficient. my second go has been much more clean and efficient (and is the save I wanna go forward with for "normal" mode), but unfortunately I think I declined a multitool at one point, so I'm stuck on the phase2 completion not giving rewards. I don't "need" those rewards, I can get them from the quicksilver vendor cause I've already earned them the first go. I just need the inventory full to go away so I can zero out all the phases and have it finished.

@fallow meadow ^^ sorry forgot to mention ya.

[fallow meadow]

Very clear description and common issue sadly enough. I am sure Hello Games will get this sorted with a future update.

Make sure to first create a backup of your save files!!!

As for what requires changing, is part of the SeasonState data, which you can find and select on the left side in the Raw JSON Editor (NMSSE from GoatFungus).
On the right, after selecting SeasonState, you scroll down and should see something like shown in the image below when Expeditions is fully completed. The highlighted part is where the issue lies for you. Verify and see if this 'second' value within "RewardCollected" is NOT 511, then edit it to 511. Close the editor window, verifying to save changes. Then back on the main window, make sure to save once more to actually save the changes to the save file.

If the value is actually already 511, let me know, because then we may have to take another look.

Do keep in mind though, that even though this should properly finish your Expedition, the save will still wait on the season to finish before being converted to a 'normal' save

Note: As you made clear you do not care about the rewards, the above solution is not allowing to re-claim the Multi Tool, which requires a different solution. You will however already have the Pioneer Flag unlocked as a buildable and Anomaly redeemed item on this save.

[north nebula]

thanks. Only the first entry was set to 511, the rest were like 250(somethign). I changed the 2nd one to 511, and it is now marked as complete. I moved on to phase three, accepted the milestone reward for the phase3 meet up point (can't spell that word) , then same inventory full error on phase 3. so at this point, if I just jump to the various meet up places, collect those inventory slot rewards, then go back to json editor and set all those values to 511, I should be complete in game correct?

[fallow meadow]

I do know that each value represents the separate phases, with a value 511 meaning it is fully completed. When those are all 511 this should not result in the 'Inventory Full' showing. I asked if you had finished Expeditions to ensure all rewards would have at least been attempted to be collected, as well as knowing all phase end values. If you have indeed done so, then I don't think editing all 5 values to 511 will be an issue.

[north nebula]

perfect. I'll give it a go and let you know. like I said last night, this is more of a cosmetic thing than a necessity. I have a finished save I can use going forward, i just like this 2nd save better cause it cleaner with far fewer sidetracks than my first run. thanks again!

[fallow meadow]

Well, it may actually be an issue, even though it appears to only be a cosmetic UI failure showing Inventory Full. I am not sure if those specific values play or will play a further role. Full completion should have them all at 511.

[north nebula]

@fallow meadow yeah, it worked. I hit the remaining 2 meet up points, claimed those rewards, verified that stages 3-5 were inventory full, then saved/exited/and set all values to 511, then returned to the game and was able to claim a second golden ship. so I'm good 2 go unless this methodology conflicts in some odd way with the new expedition when/if they choose to make one. Thanks again!

[vale iron]

FYI, another possible solution in the future: sometimes it is knowing the recipe they are trying to give you that is creating the Inventory Full message. If you take that item of known specials, it sometimes frees up claiming.

[low urchin]

Thanks for taking the time to reply! Yes, it has that folder. It’s a fresh download from the nexus

[fallow meadow]

It is actually the combination of a value other than 511 together with having received a KnownSpecial. Just removing the KnownSpecial you were given is not solving the problem, because going to the Anomaly to get it there will give the KnownSpecial once again, being back to square one

[vale iron]

What path do you have the AMUMSS folder in? I think I remember people having much better luck putting it at a root level, like C:\Amumss

[vale iron]

But if you remove it, then claim the expedition, it should give the rewards and set the value in one go, right?

FYI, I'm just up for 30 minutes until I fall back asleep, so answers might not be 100% :)

[north nebula]

@fallow meadow I did indeed stop by the anomaly right from the start and claimed all the rewards up front, just cause I could. so that makes sense.

[fallow meadow]

Yes, but that would mean you have to rely on players doing so. I'd rather make sure to not have them ask again

[north nebula]

if I had to give advice for subsequent runs, I'd say claim ALL multitools it offers, don't decline, and don't claim any rewards from the anomaly until you finish...

[fallow meadow]

Sure there are workarounds to avoid the issue, which an experienced player might be fine with. Most important is just to report these issues, so they can be fixed instead.

[north nebula]

right.

[low urchin]

C is just a boot drive. I have it as
E/AMUMSS (NMS Mod Patcher)

I left myself a note because I WILL forget what AMUMSS is and delete it

[fallow meadow]

@vale iron I don't mean to come across the wrong way. Your info has been really useful in pointing in the right direction when it comes to this issue. If done correctly as you said, it does work fine as a solution. I just found it wasn't quite fool proof. Then again, what is fool proof when talking about that magic tool to begin with ... lol

[vale iron]

You didn't come across in any negative way, no worries :)

[vale iron]

Hmm that should work as far as path length issues go. I'll try to think on it more, but I may be out of middle of the night ideas

[fallow meadow]

Alright ;-) I am actually curious about the intended way. If you do not run into the issue, you would not receive a single KnownSpecial unless you visit the Anomaly to actually redeem there

[low urchin]

That’s fair. Get some sleep, Gumsk. 🙂
I’ll be back later to poke around for help.

[vale iron]

Inside your MODBUILDER folder, is there a mbincompiler.exe?

Ahh there is a note that a firewall might be blocking curl.exe from getting the new version

[low urchin]

Pretty sure, yeah. I can’t access my PC at the moment

[vale iron]

When you get back, take a look at the two items in yellow in the installation notes:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/957

[low urchin]

I’m having issues beyond just AMUMSS not working. The only mod I can get running is a simple one to remove the click and hold delay. Installing a second mod, any mod, causes the game to immediately crash

[vale iron]

That's really weird. Even if they conflicted, that shouldn't cause a crash

[low urchin]

For example I had the delay remover and one to increase Pulse Drive speed. Game has encountered an error. Possibly a mod conflict. Please remove mods

It generally crashes on the splash screen but sometimes it will get as far as loading in, but immediately crashing as soon as my character model is visible

[vale iron]

Hmm when we're both at computers we should test this a bit more to try to get it resolved

[low urchin]

I really appreciate your help so far. It’s hard to find someone to help with technical issues on discord.

[vale iron]

AMUMSS is really important for us, so gotta make sure it's working properly :)

[odd stag]

@hushed bronze do you have any idea in what file that could be stored?

[hushed bronze]

@odd stag ROBOTGLOBALS is the easy guess

[odd stag]

Unfortunately its not in there 😦 At least i didn't found it.

but i made a new mod:
You all know that expeditions added more sentinels to the battles, but they reduced the amount of health and damage each sentinel does.
I made a mod that changed those values back to the ones in Pre-Expeditions, while keeping the extra drones:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1926/

[halcyon dock]

ugggghghhhh send this to Hello Games zendesk 😩

[low urchin]

Would anyone be able to help me use AMUMSS for installing mods? I am having trouble getting it to work

[waxen cedar]

@odd crater Is your mod compatible with stratos or does it include more sky colors?

[west needle]

I'm using it with stratos and i haven't gotten any conflicts if that helps at all

[odd crater]

It is fully compatible.

[rich harbor]

what mod would i need to download for local teleportation please? [from what I've seen it gives a circular marker where i would end up]

[hearty wasp]

isn't that vanilla

[rich harbor]

no idea+
just seen someone with it, never seen it before

[hearty wasp]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Short-Range_Teleporter

[rich harbor]

no they were teleporting in the anomaly

back and forth

[hearty wasp]

then idk

haven't seen anything like that

[rich harbor]

me either looks fun

[hearty wasp]

if you haven't seen it then how do you know it's a thing

[rich harbor]

lol i seen it then but never before

[hearty wasp]

I have no idea what you mean any more lol

[lime mesa]

facepalm

[hearty wasp]

got screenies?

[rich harbor]

nope but just before they done it a blue circle would go out to the point they ported too. if there still here i'll get one

[hearty wasp]

I mean with enough memory manip you can prolly hijack the in-base teleport to do that

cos those things have the blue circles too right

[rich harbor]

yeah i believe so, could be a personal mod someone made themselves

[hearty wasp]

maybe check out cheat engine related forums

[rich harbor]

can't see them anyway. but i will do, ty

[fallow meadow]

Asking for @desert forge :
Does anyone know if the GCSPACESHIPGLOBALS defines the Min- and MaxSpeed for starships in Space, Planet, and Combat? Does this also mean that these are actual 'hard' speed caps? I mean, if you manage to upgrade your ship past those values, it will not actually have any effect?

[hearty wasp]

check these

I think they're the base

[fallow meadow]

What MBIN would that be, because that looks pretty much like the one I mentioned above

[hearty wasp]

spaceship globals

[fallow meadow]

I did however notice there being a few 'Control' variants that only slightly differ, but Control bonuses per class as well, which I believe to be cumulative values

[fallow meadow]

Yeah ok, I got that one

[fallow meadow]

So looking at some of the achieved values with Tech on that reddit link (https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/hta17a/study_of_adjacency_bonuses_from_polo_ship_trails/) this means pretty much all of what I see would be far above cap? Might have to do some actual research instead of looking at source data compared to some tables, considering the fast differences

Some speed multiplier involved for SpaceEngine at least? 1300 max boost speed seems way off when an s-class fighter shows like 6000 without even pushing the tech too much

Ok, never mind, appears to just be base values, not hard caps/limits.

[waxen cedar]

You could do that with my infinicam

but it requires trickery to have the anomaly left loaded in when exiting it

then fly to a nearby planet, set up a base and fly up to the loaded in anomaly with build cam. There you can place any base part in there but they won't sync to other players afaik

it can be used to also set up short range teleports between 2 planets or between a planet and space station

[waxen cedar]

ah that's VR comfort setting!

People in VR can use teleportation instead of smooth locomotion. That's just to prevent motion sickness

[rich harbor]

OH ok thats cool

[waxen cedar]

standard vr stuff. Not really that fancy when you're in VR but ye, looks cool to others around you

[rich harbor]

sweet thanks for the reply bud

[waxen cedar]

np

[hearty wasp]

all in a day's work

this gives me big new vegas vibes

[hollow oar]

@fallow meadow Heyo, just pinging you about the season rewards - Any help would really be appreciated; I'm looking in the Seed Central Discord but haven't had much luck yet

[fallow meadow]

Hi @hollow oar You want me to tell you here, or prefer PM?

Shouldn't be too hard to explain though

[hollow oar]

@fallow meadow Whichever's best for you is all good with me!

[fallow meadow]

I'll send you an invite

[hollow oar]

Yup, gotcha

[hearty wasp]

good progress

[waxen cedar]

anything hidden in the latest experimental?

[stark plover]

does anyone know the ID for the title "the sixteenth"

[fallow meadow]

That would be SPEC_TITLE28 from the Product table

[stark plover]

cheers

[hearty wasp]

not that we've seen

[round sinew]

@vale iron 😄 <#nms-photomode-gallery message> awesome, you did it!

[vale iron]

Still needs a tiny bit of work. The animations are a little messed up

[tropic wind]

What about no man's Qyrae or Titan?

And how do I edit them into existence

[hearty wasp]

these in game?

don't think I saw em unlocked in my menus

[magic lava]

In game -QS items...not positive they are all in there though. Race decal ?

Korvet?

[hearty wasp]

the highlighted ones specifically

I know the faction decals long existed

[magic lava]

I think the special hazard is at the scrap guy

Gekdj is in

Bytebeat

Not sure about korvet and vykeen don't recall those

[hearty wasp]

So not like buildable on their own

[magic lava]

Not that I have seen anyways

[hearty wasp]

Actually I think I've seen the vet one in the nexus egg machine

Vykeen's prolly in nexus somewhere too

Not sure if anyone wanna build em but I ain't gonna bother since they're boring to do

[somber lava]

Can anyone rip the freighter alarm sounds (or sound)? It's a really cool sounding alarm.

[hearty wasp]

Google "bnk unpacker" and "wem to wav"

you can extract sounds from the bnk and convert any audio with those

[somber lava]

I don't have NMS on my computer. Only on my XBOX.

[somber lava]

Wait...could I rip sounds from my XBOX?

[hearty wasp]

no.

even if you have game pass you can't open the files because of the stupid xbox encryption

just get a version from the seven seas

[somber lava]

The Seven Seas...?

[hearty wasp]

ye

[somber lava]

What is that?

[hearty wasp]

it's too illegal for me to say

[somber lava]

Oh. I may know what it is now.

[hearty wasp]

Time to smear your grime all over the floor,
and walls,
and ceiling.
It's an Eucli-ea update
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/367

[merry wasp]

stupid question i guess, but how to i change values like these in a lua?

currently wrote it down like this, but that doesnt work obviously

[hearty wasp]

If you know the value you can target the property value directly

So you can make it {"24", "20"} in value change table and so on

[merry wasp]

ok

[merry wasp]

woop think i got it

thanks a ton! @hearty wasp

[waxen cedar]

are the recipes for stuff like orange wall panel in derelict loot tables now?

since you can't purchase them from anomaly nor blueprint research machine anymore

[paper breach]

Hey so I am playing modded NMS, and I came into a weird issue: while I am in my ship, my scanner absolutely refuses to recharge, and only will do so after I get on foot. Any tips for solving this?

[paper breach]

Nvm, i figured out the mod, it was the Instant Scan mod that was causing the issue

[stark plover]

how far apart do I need to place sr teleporters to stop them from crossing wires

[fallow meadow]

Can you explain what you mean with crossing wires?

SRTs currently do not need any power due to a bug introduced with Desolation. All you need to do is hook up the teleport wire between a pair

[stark plover]

oh so my entire thing relies on them functioning correctly and not being always powered

nvm

[fallow meadow]

Well, they have some additional issues aside from the power requirement being bugged

You will notice the power requirement icon showing regardless. You'll also notice that entry is fine, but exit turns view in exact opposite orientation.

They screwed up those SRTs badly

[vale iron]

Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to hide the power indicator and rotate the exit point

[fallow meadow]

Prolly not too hard. I just fixed the SRT to actually use power again (single value change in entity file). If you want to keep it free from power, removing the icon is prolly not that hard either. I think you'd just need to make it actually not require power, other than the value change they mistakenly made. The exit rotation I am not sure about, but some compares to previous version where it worked may give a clue? No idea why they now broke another part of the SRT.

[hearty wasp]

the what

[hearty wasp]

exit point may either be based on a locator of root orientation of the object aka location data in save

former, rotate the locator, latter, rotate the entire model to make people rotate the thing themselves

[vale iron]

I would sadistically love it if it was some locator rotation that they didn't expect.

"Huh, what? Why on Earth would that be rotated 90d?!?"

[fallow meadow]

It's a full inverse of view orientation, so kinda hard to solve by rotating the object in-game.

[gusty hamlet]

hi can u install reshade in no man sky?

[hearty wasp]

ye

[gusty hamlet]

anyone that uses a reshade that can help me

[gusty hamlet]

nvm fixed it

[hushed bronze]

@paper breach Its specific to any mod that affects "GAMEPLAYGLOBALS" that wasn't updated after ver 3.35

I specified that because it actually affected a ton of mods that have nothing to do with scanners

[hearty wasp]

you can't build em anymore?

[waxen cedar]

you can if you got the blueprint over a year ago

it disappeared from the blueprint store sometime last year I think

along with some other parts I can't recall

[hearty wasp]

if you can build it they're still in base building and product tables

[waxen cedar]

Indeed but I was wondering if they moved the recipe unlocker thing to derelict loot

since you can unlock recipes via that

[hearty wasp]

I don't think I've seen orange screens in the derelict freighter scenes

the green one purchaseable

[waxen cedar]

that still is

[light horizon]

what is some good mods that do not effect planet gen?

[hearty wasp]

go on Nexus and sort by last updated

[light horizon]

fair, had a look over the list and got a base building and relightbut nothing else really jumped at me

i did not want cheaty cheaper or max slot mods

[hearty wasp]

sorting by last updated gives you the most working mods

the rest is just preference

[hushed bronze]

@light horizon Most of mine are "non-cheaty" mods. https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/users/58018181?tab=user+files

[hearty wasp]

I mean this would be an advantage if you like Thomas https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1011

[light horizon]

I use your building mod that is nice, but it makes all refiners face away from me when snapped to a wall and the rotate key does not work

[hearty wasp]

strange since I added rotations to the snappoint lel

I'll check it later

when snapping to which wall, again?

[light horizon]

the round room for planets, or any frieghter rooms

it says rotat by pressing r/t a the bottom but nothing happens

[hearty wasp]

oh I think I kinda remember that

had something else not rotate either

try rotating before snapping for now

[light horizon]

i hold alt to free place and scroll wheel rotate

snapping undoes any rotation

[hearty wasp]

the snapping system is just broken since they changed it waay back when

[light horizon]

that is good to know, i do have a work around, but thanks

good to nkow you know you know

[hearty wasp]

my refiners are snapping ok

do you have other machines that are having problems I can test out

[light horizon]

not off the top of my head

but thanks for looking

and not in the middle but along the walls

oh it is Beyond Base Building-1096-3-37c-1619018521 that gave me issues

some confusion cleared up YAA

[hushed bronze]

for future reference you can skip those numbers its just some id nonsense nexus.com tacks on

As for BBB, the snap points shouldn't be edited at all so it would be odd to cause rotation problems

ofc currently someone else does the updates so maybe he did something

[light horizon]

i was lazy and copied the file name, but it also showed the version

i still love the bbb mod it is great

I have not tried to make windows n the frieghter yet but i want to do that

not being able to add windows to the freighter in vanialla was a missed point

[hearty wasp]

they can't add windows because you'd see the outside of the freighter

[light horizon]

but... but... that is the point

[hushed bronze]

The outside of the freighter from the base position is not a finished model and it can be hard to get a clear view outside with windows that doesn't show model seams and the wrong sides of 1-way polys

[light horizon]

my freighter has gaps in the flooring and the hanger roof has manifested in the floor of the second level

I should replace it but i have spent time decorating

but when the chairs sink a foot in to the floor it is very odd

and i cannot place carpets some places because they place under the floor

and yes i have restarted many times

[hushed bronze]

@light horizon The hangar is actually too high and honestly, the rooms you probably cut out near the bridge you should put those back but its up to you

[light horizon]

this is int he cargo room that is in all ships by default

and above it

i did not go in the the invisable wall area

[hushed bronze]

ok you should be good then

[paper breach]

Ah okay, that makes sense, thank you!

[thorny tide]

I playwith GnomeAnn's skymods and multilpayer enabled, will this get me banned?

[merry wasp]

no, you can cheat all you want in NMS, the game is primarily SP the MP is more or less COOP

[thorny tide]

is altering the sky considered cheating? I don't benefit from it 😛

[flint cairn]

that should just be a clientside visual change, no?

also, cheating is not a bannable offense in nms

[hushed bronze]

@thorny tide Literally nothing is considered cheating as far as the servers are concerned. There is no trace of "security" so you're free to mod however you want.

[merry wasp]

how should i write it in lua to only target Ship_hyperdrive for B class

currently got this

[hearty wasp]

add another pair of special key words for "B" and "Gc-etc.dot xml"

before the pair you already have

[thorny tide]

interesting

[hearty wasp]

we assure you, it's much more boring than you think

grievers can't cheat for shit even with the tools available to em

[merry wasp]

fml adding that 2nd pair of keyword didn't work, probably "coding" it wrong

[hearty wasp]

I heard that targeting xml names can be weird

[merry wasp]

yeah im noticing that

i got it to hit the right section of code but not the exact section

[vale iron]

Updating GShip Custom with 9 more 'ships', mostly the deep space encounters, but also drone, corrupted drone, and the Atlas

[light horizon]

did the update break any mods?

[vale iron]

Ones that use UIGlobals, mostly

[cinder valley]

Has anyone tried messing with creature color pallets

[waxen cedar]

worst I've seen was someone flying with ship and shooting at people on ground

[hearty wasp]

[round sinew]

so, i've had this working before, didn't really change anything. trying to update my galaxy map mod, i now get warnings from AMUMSS saying:

[INFO]:   Processing file: GCGALAXYGLOBALS.GLOBAL.EXML
[INFO]:     Based on PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS: >>> [RaceFilterColours], [Traders] <<<
[INFO]:     -- >>>>> Could not find ["PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS"] = [Traders] by following file tree map!!! <<<<<
    [WARNING]: -???- Using Last_Resort algorithm... (You may want to review your key_words) -???-
[INFO]:     -- On line 347, found it as a PROPERTY NAME with a value of [Colour.xml], DISCARDED
[INFO]:     -- On line 397, found it as a PROPERTY NAME with a value of [Colour.xml], DISCARDED
[INFO]:     -- On line 447, found it as a PROPERTY NAME with a value of [Colour.xml], DISCARDED
[INFO]:     -- On line 497, found it as a PROPERTY NAME with a value of [Colour.xml], DISCARDED
    [WARNING]: PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS not found, skipping this change! [[RaceFilterColours], [Traders]]

what i'm asking it to do:

["PRECEDING_KEY_WORDS"] = {"RaceFilterColours","Traders"},
["VALUE_CHANGE_TABLE"]  = {
        {"R",   "1"},
        {"G",   "0.92"},
        {"B",   "0.20"},
        {"A",   "1"},
}
},

GCGALAXYGLOBALS:

  <Property name="RaceFilterColours">
    <Property name="Traders" value="Colour.xml">
      <Property name="R" value="1" />
      <Property name="G" value="0.962" />
      <Property name="B" value="0.37" />
      <Property name="A" value="1" />
    </Property>

what am i doing wrong?

[fallow meadow]

@round sinew Maybe "RaceFilterDefaultColours"?

[round sinew]

what do you mean?

what i mean is that amumss used to work fine when i asked it to search for two preceding keywords for the same table, and now it seems it won't

like, if there were multiple properties named "Traders", it would apply the changes in the value_change_table on all of them, and not just the one inside RaceFilterColours

at least, from what i understand

[fallow meadow]

I just thought it would be the keyword you were using that may have changed

Then again, I am not that well versed in AMUMSS. I am sure someone else will know better

[round sinew]

no worries

i'll go get some food, and look at this again later

not getting anywhere right now

[round sinew]

oh, that property name hasn't changed

[hearty wasp]

maybe AMUMSS just changed internally that fucked up how dem keywords are detected

since params values with -.xml sometimes don't get detected

[round sinew]

i'll try to redownload amumss zip entirely and try again

maybe something in the syntax available changed

yeah, i'm going to eat, and look at this again later. thanks for the input guys

[hearty wasp]

you'll have better luck in the modding discord

wbertos should have a way better idea on how AMUMSS is detecting the keywords

MapFileTrees folder should have the map trees of the file too

so you can look it up manually

[copper cape]

Hey im kinda new to NMS and ive been looking for a mod where the Warp has a Dark appearence which is available for the latest version

[hearty wasp]

you checked Nexus?

[copper cape]

yes but the newest mod was last updated in 2020

and i do think that it could cause errors

[hearty wasp]

if it's just a texture replacer then it's timeless

check if it says it's replacing a DDS

[copper cape]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/198

its Dark Warp

but i dont know if it replaces a dds

[hearty wasp]

seeing how the comments are saying it don't work no more

[fallow meadow]

@round sinew I just checked the Galaxy Globals, but it seems there is no "RaceFilterColours" to be found, which is kind of what I meant. There are several sections using "RaceFilter<INSERTNAMEHERE>Colours" which all have "Traders" inside, followed by RGBA Colour values. That part works, it just isn't finding "RaceFilterColours" to be preceding that

[hearty wasp]

I doubt it work anymore

same some real old warp texture replacer are forever gone because NMSmods deleted them

I used to love CJ's warp

[round sinew]

weird. i extracted GCGALAXYGLOBALS and there is RaceFilterColours, i even pasted it here

[copper cape]

can you recommend anything that changes this awful warp colour

[round sinew]

@fallow meadow i think i see what you meant:

however, convert GCGALAXYGLOBALS.MBIN to EXML and:

which is what i meant

[fallow meadow]

Hmmm, interesting to see them all bundled up inside a single property 'RaceFilterColours' without the specific parts separated there

[round sinew]

this is how i always saw them

so you can understand why i don't understand what's going on 😄

[fallow meadow]

Even my EXML hasn't got them bundled like you got

[round sinew]

no clue why

[fallow meadow]

Ah yes, I can then totally understand

[round sinew]

i just copied over the PAK to make sure i'm on the latest

(which i had already done earlier, tbh, but decided to copy it again)

[fallow meadow]

I haven't really looked all that closely, but you might be good with removing that first PRECEDING_KEY_WORD and just leave it at the race names?

[round sinew]

yeah, that would work

i think

but

[fallow meadow]

Unless those races are identically named elsewhere too (didn't see that being the case with a quick glance)

[round sinew]

i was interested in understanding why it won't go with 2 preceding key words as before

[fallow meadow]

ahuh

[round sinew]

because i wanted to prevent exactly that, even if there aren't multiple hits

[fallow meadow]

Traders > 4 matches

warriors same

[round sinew]

yeah

so

damn it. gotta go

bbl

[fallow meadow]

'Atlas' would likely be no good (if you wanted to use them) > 7 matches

[round sinew]

i've tried once changing Atlas, didn't change anything in the galaxy map

had hoped it would color atlas stations systems differently, but didn't

lol

[fallow meadow]

Likely overwritten by some race?

Oh well, good luck getting it sorted. Won't hold you up

[round sinew]

yeah, or like not used by the exe

yeah, sorry i do have to go

[fallow meadow]

All good ;-)

[round sinew]

thanks again for looking into it

👋

[fallow meadow]

Hey, got to learn some AMUMSS

👋

[hearty wasp]

great success on the snappoint front

now we know how to hide specific snapgroups with snappoints

see how when 4 pieces are snapped together, they have zero railings between them

yet we are able to maintain a railing for a corner piece when the diagonal piece is not placed

it is only possible with the new discovery on snapgroup hiding

[round sinew]

ok, i think i got it working

for some reason, there was an extra { in the lua down at the end that borked it :\

i need to restructure this, in a way that's not as confusing

😄

[round sinew]

result: i didn't get it working

first of all, for some reason, i was working with an outdated EXML.

even when i had previously made sure PAKs were the right versions

now that that's cleared

i know which properties i need to change

but amumss isn't changing any of them

could someone please take a look at my lua file?

[vale iron]

Yeah, you have the report file, too?

[round sinew]

report file is like empty

no warnings or errors or any operations done

[vale iron]

gotcha

send me the LUA and I'll look

[round sinew]

cool

[vale iron]

Missing a bracket pair inside Modifications, first observation

curly bracket I should say

[round sinew]

yeah, i was going to ask if it was the curly bracket

there's one missing?

hmm

ok, i'll re read the code, i gotta find it

[vale iron]

One sec I'll send you my test LUA

[round sinew]

oh i see

[vale iron]

Spacing is a little not normal

On my test I mean

[round sinew]

yeah yeah no worries, i see where i'm missing the second {

actually

[vale iron]

Coolio

[round sinew]

i had that in

but got confused

and removed it because i didn't know what i was doing i guess

😄

eheu

[vale iron]

It helps me to think of them all as containers that I never use, but are there if I need them

So it's almost always {{ }} , but maybe someday I'll want {{ },{ }}

[merry wasp]

ok wtf yesterday 0 issues now this

the fck

oh

might have found it

[round sinew]

ok, so i've added the missing bracket, now looks like i'm missing another curly bracket at "MBIN_CHANGE_TABLE"

[vale iron]

Strange if you had no issues before. Not a table is usually a missing comma or bracket. Attempt to call a nil value is either an undeclared variable or more missing comma/bracket stuff

[merry wasp]

got it

[vale iron]

Yes, looks like you are

[merry wasp]

i did change somethignyesterday

fckign comma

ffs

left the "table" open

[round sinew]

here we go, now i see changes being done

gosh

so dumb

[merry wasp]

btw is there any file that dictates gridsize of ships and exocrafts?

[round sinew]

slaps himself around with a large trout

[vale iron]

Nah, just learning stages, though save that trout, it might be useful later...

[round sinew]

thank you Gumsk, really 🙇‍♂️

[vale iron]

I think that's DefaultInventory, but I can't recall

[merry wasp]

right will check

[round sinew]

in INVENTORYTABLE iirc

[vale iron]

Oh, for exocraft it's harder I think. They made that a pain

[merry wasp]

im busy in inventory table

i made explores have smaller inventories but MUCH bigger HD range bonus but in-game it won't "excute what i ask it to (yet)

[vale iron]

Yet is always the operative word. It will always yield to our demands eventually!

[merry wasp]

18 slots for S explorers

muhahaha

but 35 tech slots

and 1.5K HD bonus

will make the invetory/tech slot changes optional IF i figure it out

[vale iron]

Considering portal interference is gone, might as well give them a huge bump, like 10k

[merry wasp]

yeah but that would be to much

i start with Explo's casue they cheap :p

[vale iron]

Shuttle's are the po' man's ship

stupid shuttles

[merry wasp]

explo S class is cheaper tho

it always has less slots

great thing about expeditions, best way to test mods 😄

[merry wasp]

so even if you set max Inventory capacity to 18 it will use a grid of 4x5 making the max inventory 20

but at least it does what i ask it to do 😄

@vale iron where cani find that default inventory file?

if you mean DefaultInventoryBalance it sadly not the correct file

[grim arrow]

does anyone know of a mod that lets you build into terrain

[hollow mist]

you don't need a mod for that ... but because terrain can get regenerated - I wouldn't recommend it

[hearty wasp]

^

[light horizon]

is there a mod that removes the need to repair frigates? I am happy witht hem taking damage, I just dislike landing on them and fixing them

[livid glade]

Thanks @light horizon -- that's my spouse asking on behalf of me ❤️

[hearty wasp]

frigates only get damage when sent on missions right

I remember there is a frigate related global that handles the max/min damage sustained

[light horizon]

so i could hook at debrief and set all fregates damage

[hearty wasp]

I'm not that well versed in this aspect but I think one should be able to just set the min/max damage to 0 and not have your frigates not receive any damage ever

alternatively you should be able to repair your anything with save editor too

[light horizon]

unless setting max damage to 0 makes them perma broken