nms-modding

[hearty wasp]

I need more robots so this screenie can look like a DOOM cover art

[hearty wasp]

also what should I replace the derelict freighter drone and the corrupted drones with

[hushed bronze]

Gastly @hearty wasp

[hearty wasp]

thomas characters bud

[hushed bronze]

The conductor's head

[hearty wasp]

ok

[hushed bronze]

Upside down and fart powered

[hearty wasp]

lmao upsidedown actually isn't a bad idea

[hushed bronze]

This whole mod is a bad idea lol

[hearty wasp]

I gotta take a look at the mech rig sometime

maybe I can rig some thomas stuff into it too

[hearty wasp]

I can't find a fat controller model

[tropic wind]

Yes you can, believe in yourself. Your research is beyond important for this community. Your commitment and sacrifices will be remembered throughout the No Man's Sky community. Thank you soldier -Qyrae

[hearty wasp]

if an item does not appear in the google search, it does not exist

[lime mesa]

sooo

to install mods u make a map named mods in the pcbanks folder

???

cause it aint working for me

i use like dualshok controller

but it doesnt show u

so i installed the mod

[hearty wasp]

you deleted the txt file yet?

[lime mesa]

ah

didnt know u had to delete

mb

[hearty wasp]

you can rename it too

but 1 button press is fewer than 5

[lime mesa]

ty u absolute legend

[hearty wasp]

it worked?

[earnest echo]

Guys I saw someone in the space anomaly with a biological horror as a companion. does anyone know how to get it?

[hushed bronze]

probably the recent mod that lets you have biological horrors as companions 🙂

[earnest echo]

oh how do u do it

soz i have no clue how modding works @hushed bronze

[hearty wasp]

there's a site linked in the pins called Nexus Mods

go on that site and search for the mods you want

for example, you want something about biological horror and pets

so you can search for terms such as "pet", "companion", "horror", etc.

it's like google, only not as smart

or just edit your save idk

[hushed bronze]

In this case just sorting by newest upload should get you close

[hearty wasp]

yeah that too^

new mods are new most of the time

[hushed bronze]

@earnest echo Nexus is riddled with old mods that don't work at all, including a few that continue to stick to trending and get recommendations even though they havent worked in years. So unfortunately you have to be careful about installing many mods at once. If you just shotgun 60 mods from across the years, its just gonna crash

[earnest echo]

ok thx guys

[hearty wasp]

I think I heard someone said trending was fixed, but I haven't been on Nexus myself in a while

[hushed bronze]

If the author makes any mention of "updated for Companions" or something, or its last update is within a few months, you're close to 100% likely to get a working mod. If the last update was 2017, almost 0% that it will run

[earnest echo]

yea fair enough. How does save editing work?

[hearty wasp]

hey now, textures still work

[hushed bronze]

@hearty wasp Trending isnt recommending Dark Space V2 because its broken, actual people keep upvoting the goddamned thing lol

[hearty wasp]

so it's like 99.9% it won't work

[hushed bronze]

@earnest echo save editing is a separate app, google NMS save editor, you should get there right away

[earnest echo]

oh okay tysm

[hushed bronze]

DSV2 100% doesn't work lol I've tried it several timesin the last three years just to verify because it keeps coming up again

And the dirty bastard disabled comments so nobody can just post "yo this shit don't work"

[earnest echo]

where is the link to nexus mods

[hushed bronze]

to what?

[hearty wasp]

bottom of the pins

I don't remember how to check the pins on mobile

[earnest echo]

oh kk

[hushed bronze]

Here is one of my favorites by me 🙂
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1096

[earnest echo]

cool thanks

[hearty wasp]

it's a good one

[earnest echo]

https://videogamemods.com/nomanssky/mods/no-mans-sky-save-editor/ is this the legit save editor?

[hushed bronze]

Its not alone anymore either, there is another called GBase thats done somewhat differently, that some prefer

[earnest echo]

also does this only work on steam

[hushed bronze]

yea thats the right editor in the pix

[earnest echo]

im on the xbox version on pc so should this work for me?

[hushed bronze]

idk, consoles always complicate things

[hearty wasp]

NomNom works for gamepass I think

you'd also need some other thing to enable modding for gamepass version

[earnest echo]

no its not the gp version

[hearty wasp]

so like

you just stream it onto your pc?

idk how this works much

but if you don't have the files on your pc you can't mod

[earnest echo]

no i just run it from the xbox app

[earnest echo]

yes

[limpid summit]

Anything that forces hires textures? They tend to get stuck at lowres after a while melee jumping.

[hearty wasp]

some lod mod may help

[native hawk]

im having issues with using blender to import my won models into the game. any suggestions or advice would help.

[native hawk]

I've been able to export very few models from the game but not the ones i want

[glass lake]

how would one get into modding the terrain gen in no mans sky

[hearty wasp]

by yourself it's prolly easiest if you download some terrain gen mods, compare the files with the vanilla ones and observe the changes

start figuring out what does what that way

[glass lake]

i dont know how to look at which files are changed

iw ouldnt know where to begin

I modded minecraft, but NMS is nothing like it at all

[hearty wasp]

yeah that's why I said get some mods and look at the files from the mods lol

[glass lake]

My PC cant read pak files

[hearty wasp]

you can get tools for that

actually isn't there a pin for that

huh there ain't

[glass lake]

i iwll cry now

[hearty wasp]

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:Wiki

fuck the UI to guides is dark pattern level bad

https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/NoMansSky:0.2.0

try this one

[glass lake]

i want to learn how to fuck with the terrain gen

[hearty wasp]

well you better start with the basics then

like how to get a file out of a pak

so read up

it's real easy once you get past that boring shit

[glass lake]

how much space should i have for modding

[hearty wasp]

well how much do you have

60? 100?

[glass lake]

500 gb

i have 4 seperate drives

[hearty wasp]

yeah that'll be good

[glass lake]

2 ssds

and 2 hdds

how much would i need>

like10gb?

[hearty wasp]

idk I prolly have like a hundo total?

[glass lake]

for nms modding?

or all otgether

[hearty wasp]

yeah

[glass lake]

100 gb for just nms moodding

damn

[hearty wasp]

if you don't fuck with models you prolly'd never reach it

[glass lake]

I want to fuck wiht models, im tryna enable the e3 ones aswell as more colors

I think Rayrod is gonna help me

[hearty wasp]

yeah well you better get started then

[glass lake]

ill try my best lol

[hearty wasp]

if you've more specific questions you can always try the modding discord

[hushed bronze]

@glass lake Its pinned here #nms-modding message

[hoary drum]

@glass lake There is also the NMS modding server if you have any questions. And the 100 gb isn't completely necessary. If you're just focusing on changing specific things then you can just unpack those specific files if you want to have it take up less space https://discord.gg/22ZAU9H

[vale iron]

Just the unpacked files alone are 25gb, then if you save any old versions that adds on, and then of course modeling adds a bunch more, as said above

[hushed bronze]

Just buy multi-terabyte ssd's

[glass lake]

i give up

ive been trying for 3 hours

its exhausting

[hushed bronze]

what have you been trying to do for three hours?
Wait, MODELS?

nah bruh thats not a beginner mod, models are whack in NMS

[steel crypt]

@glass lake May the force be with you 🙂

You just dove straight into the rabbit hole.

[hushed bronze]

Nah this crazy mofo skydived into it without a chute

[vale iron]

Yeah, models ain't fun. I've been trying to debug one error on one ship for like five days.

[hushed bronze]

Stuff like that is why I decided to ultimately never attempt models in NMS lol

[vale iron]

I did finally fix it, though, and it's a good feeling, even though it was an idiotic mistake

Now I have to figure out why the geometry is all whack

[minor moat]

Ouch, I've had the "spent days on error that was dumb mistake" before.

[minor moat]

Ok that's 2 mods now that no longer work for living ship timer skip apparently. Anyone know which one was most recently updated?

Oh it seems "living ship mission timer options" one isn't crashing, at least not yet. Nevermind.

[vale iron]

This is the one that I've heard in the past worked: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1797

This one is much more recent, though https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1862

[minor moat]

Yeah I ended up using the second one

[glass lake]

I’ve been trying to follow the black carbon mod tutorial, but every time I try to unpack the files I need, it crashes my pc

[vale iron]

That's a promising start

[glass lake]

Yes it is

I’ll just leave it to the professionals I guess 😦

[hushed bronze]

@glass lake Did you make sure to unpack it with a MBCompiler that matches that version?

Unpacking things wrong really should be crashing the compiler tho, not your whole PC

[glass lake]

I guess to describe it better it crashes the compiler, and I can’t turn it off with task manager or conmand prompt so I have to restart my ox

@hushed bronze

Nice terrain mod btw, I’ve been using it and it feels amazing

[odd stag]

someone knows what file i need to change to increase the amount of things that i can build in my base?

[hushed bronze]

wdym? The global limiter? the per-part limiters?

@odd stag

[odd stag]

@hushed bronze Idk, the one that limits you to build only a specific amount of total parts

[hushed bronze]

@odd stag If switching your basebuilding quality setting to Ultra doesn't help, try asking @vale iron

[fallow meadow]

@odd stag There is an upload limit of 3000 parts, but you can exceed this limit without sharing it to everyone through upload. There is however a 20,000 parts limit per save, which for as far as I am aware, can not be exceeded, as it is handled by the executable.

[odd stag]

@fallow meadow allright, thanks

[steel crypt]

@glass lake It would be easier to try to help you if you could give more details. You have to use a compiler version that works with the version of NMS files you have. You need to unpak the game ".pak"s using PSARC and then if you are trying to mod a .mbin file, you need to use mbincompiler to decompile it to a .exml file. Then edit that .exml then recompile with mbincompiler. Then repak. I mean there are mod tutorials. If you are hanging the compiler then you are not using the right version or your .mbin file you are trying to decompile is real jacked up. If you are using mod station, sometimes you have to kill it's process before you can kill the mbincompiler process in task manager.

You can maybe post a file you are trying to decompile here and someone can make sure it will decompile right for you.

[steel crypt]

Anyone using my "Beta" terrain (voxgen) mod, this is the latest version. Changed underwater biome terrain. All above water terrain is same as before.
@small valve Maybe you were using this?

[small valve]

I was not.

[hushed bronze]

@steel crypt Are you familiar with the changes to terrain on "Prime" planets in Origins update?

[steel crypt]

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking me. I am familiar with the "prime" terrain. @hushed bronze

With 1 or 2 minor exceptions, the "Prime" terrain is an exact copy of the normal terrain with the "gain" variable turned up.

[hearty wasp]

I remember having to have 3 people build separate bases to get around the upload limit lol

But yeah no perfect solutions so far for sure. At least we can backup bases with NMSSE

[waxen cedar]

I tried filling planets with the new huge Origins buildings to create "cities" but it seems like the game doesn't want to render more than a few at one time before fading out the rest in the immediate vicinity.

I give up. I guess I can't have nice things. It could maybe help to flatten and make the planets themselves empty for this but what's the point. It would still be yet again another infinite load screen. No cities for nms

[hearty wasp]

That's the matter of LOD

If you added in the objects into the basebuilding table without specifying the LOD scene path, or were just using vanilla buildings, they tend to disappear after the first LOD distance

I think kibs also said there is a way to increase the LOD distance for that but I don't remember any specifics

[obsidian tree]

LODS are in the entity files, maybe some info in the scene also

[hearty wasp]

trutru

[hearty wasp]

should I sink a hole for the scanner eye or should I just yeet the scanner

maybe sunken like this instead

[manic glacier]

Howdy, got a question.

I'm usually a heavy modder and love tinkering with games but NMS I often play with my buddy on multiplayer. Is there anything I should know going into modding to make sure I do it safely for multiplayer? I heard mentions of desyncs being possible.

Mostly looking to do some nice visual mods, nothing that alters gameplay or actual in-game things too much.

[hearty wasp]

(not updated for crossplay but should be otherwise accurate)

[odd stag]

If i activate that freighters always attack the player, is it somehow possible to get a freighter?

[hearty wasp]

you shouldn't be able to get into the freighter when it's attacking you right

[manic glacier]

LOL I'm assuming that's a FAQ, thanks

[hearty wasp]

not frequent enough for anyone else to make documentation for it but otherwise, yeah lol

I guess we have more common ones like "install mod how????"

[odd stag]

@hearty wasp kay. The first free freighter quest will also be impossible then, right?

[hearty wasp]

not to mention we haven't done experiments on mp behaviours for, maybe years

[hearty wasp]

I wouldn't know lol if the quest table doesn't specify that it's passive or whatever you do overrode it, it would probably be impossible through normal means?

[manic glacier]

mod no work how fix

[hearty wasp]

yeah we get that a lot too

[manic glacier]

hahahah

such is modding life

[hearty wasp]

I got like 6-8 last year

and I was away the whole time

[odd stag]

@hearty wasp allright, i keep my hands off (for now). Wanted to make a mod so that freighters attack you, thought that might be fun 🙂

[hearty wasp]

you can still try lol

just tell people that you can't get a freighter with the mod on

tell people to read

[odd stag]

sounds impossible 😛

[waxen cedar]

I remember someone made the space stations rotate around last year

how did that end up btw. Does anyone remember

[hearty wasp]

I sorta recall that as well

the whole station may've either rotated around you while you're inside or the entrance was spinning independently from the interior

[waxen cedar]

There was some issues with the collisions but if we could only have the exterior model rotate it should be fine right

unless the interior is attached to it

And I didn't add the buildings to the basebuildingtable. Just increased the density of them on every planet type and set the NUmModelsToGenerate from 2 to 100

Replying to the earlier convo from this morning/whatever was your time then

[hearty wasp]

ahh

then as monkeyman said it could be proc gen LOD related

but I'm not familiar in that aspect lol

[waxen cedar]

neither am I. I don't do much modding unless I'm drunk or extremely bored

[hearty wasp]

modding while drunk is the LIFE

[waxen cedar]

agreed

that's when all the fun begins

like getting an idea of setting a freighter model over a ship and zooming the camera view way back

I'm too scared to touch the models at all so don't even know how I'd do it but yeah. Fun ideas

[hearty wasp]

the ships are just models anyway

[odd stag]

Just finished my new mod "Extraordinary Adventure", for everyone who wants a new, special challenge:
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1887/

@hearty wasp what is that "spoggers" emote, i never got that?

[hearty wasp]

this one?

[odd stag]

yes

[hearty wasp]

it's just on this server

[odd stag]

ah that might be the reason why i'm not familiar with it 🙂

And because it was requested: My "No Asteroids" mod that removes all asteroids: https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1888/

[fallow meadow]

Yes, multiple accounts certainly helps getting more done than usual

[manic glacier]

Anyone here mod on xboxgamepass4pc and know where the gamedata path is?

I think it might be hiding in WindowsApps but I can't get access to that folder

[hearty wasp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/h9z1bd/how_to_mod_xbox_game_pass_nms/

[round sinew]

@hushed bronze i was thinking about dark color skies during daytime.. the other day i found a planet with black - well, almost black - sky. pretty cool. i don't find many of these though. is it just "bad luck, visit (even) more planets"?

[hushed bronze]

If you're talking about stratos, I think the odds of a black sky in the current version are around 1/16? @round sinew

[round sinew]

yeah, about stratos, sorry

1/16? --kzzt--

gotcha

[hushed bronze]

Well it used to be one in four but people complained it was happening too often and I didn't really announce the reduction

[round sinew]

yeah... i wondered about that actually - if it wasn't very popular

decided to ask anyway

[glass lake]

I think I’ve finally found why mbin kept crashing my pic

I think the versions were off

[hushed bronze]

i did mention that very thing lol

But hopefully you solved the problem

[blazing crescent]

So if I install mods and then play on a previously unmodded save but then later uninstall the mods what will happen

Will the save roll back to the moment before mods were installed?

[waxen cedar]

Nothing will happen. You can throw mods in and out and they'll be applied to any save you start up. If the mods add assets or change the terrain those will be reverted but other than that your vanilla progress remains

[blazing crescent]

cool and good

[waxen cedar]

I wonder if it's even possible to bring back the old freighter warp in animation. I tried lowering some values that had freighter warp and speed stuff mentioned but that did nothing. Also there seemed to be references left for some textures regarding freighter trails but those do nothing either

[blazing crescent]

im just trying to install some mods that finally fix stuff thats been driving me insane

like the screen shake effect and LOD bug

[waxen cedar]

Also recommend the one that removes exosuit voice

UNITS RECEIVED, UNITS RECEIVED, UNITS RECEIVED

[blazing crescent]

exosuit voice never bothered me

[waxen cedar]

TeMpErAaTuRe LeVeLs StAbiLiZinG

[blazing crescent]

so i just drag and drop the contents of the zip into the MODS folder right

wait im thinking of a different game

[waxen cedar]

I finally got enough of it after over 4 years. The units received part is particularly annoying in modern nms where you do a lot more selling of stuff at a quicker pace

[waxen cedar]

Yes

remember to remove disablemods.txt

[minor moat]

The noise that drives me insane is the personal refiner

[waxen cedar]

And the fact that noise keeps playing when the fuel runs out or it finishes on its own

[outer rain]

Is there way with nms edit save to change from survival to normal gamemode? And if so, is there a way that works 100%?

[vale iron]

Yes there's a version number that controls that. I'll look it up in about 20 minutes

[daring venture]

Anyone have a mod that makes borderless fullscreen actually function as borderless instead of fullscreen

[vale iron]

Go to Edit Raw JSON, at the very top, make it say "Version":4639,

[outer rain]

okay, thanks

btw. can it corrupt my save?

[vale iron]

Not really, but save editor has built-in backups

[hearty wasp]

I'm gonna

add legs to police quads

Sentinels shall finally become... beautiful

[vale iron]

You should add leg lamps like in A Christmas Story

[hearty wasp]

lmao

too bad we haven't figured out how to hook vertices directly to the joints

[hollow dirge]

playing the fantasy mod pack in vr is something

[cunning rose]

Hey. I just got the game and heard there are some banger qol mods. What do you guys recommmend?

[hollow dirge]

@cunning rose https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1399?tab=description

turns the game into permanent creative mode

[cunning rose]

Oh gosh lmao, I still wanted to progress and stuff

I'll make a save on that tho, it'd be interesting to just explor

[hollow dirge]

im a lazy fucker, you can still progress in the story and get some normal mode exclusive things

[cunning rose]

lmaoo yeah i feel ya

[hollow dirge]

you can try this as well, its a collection of qol mods

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1811

[cunning rose]

oh shoot thats useful

thank you

[torn girder]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/968

this for more variation

the colors are very balanced and they fit well in the game

they should put this mod in the game tbh

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/880

[edgy ivy]

Is there a mod that reduces the amount of populated systems to rare small clusters?

[steel crypt]

Exactly what I was trying to do. Thanks for the kind words 🙂

[torn girder]

👍

[hushed bronze]

@hearty wasp Its THOMAS THE TANK E-... Just Thomas the Tank, I guess

[hearty wasp]

Thomas the Tank Tank

[hushed bronze]

Rare, yes. Clusters, no

[serene goblet]

Does anyone know where to change the scanner speed? I'm scanning this tiny rock and it takes as long as this huge animal. 😉

There should be a way to do that?

[hearty wasp]

player globals maybe?

prolly already are mods on Nexus for that

ain't there one called "faster scan" or whatever

[serene goblet]

None I could see that work for the most recent version.

[hearty wasp]

oof

[serene goblet]

Seems like it would be such a simple thing to do.

[hearty wasp]

I mean if you're trying to do one yourself those mods would still contain the file which you can trace the path to get the right file to edit

[serene goblet]

True. If I knew what to do with the .pak files. 🙂 Just thought if there is a mod, maybe I don't have to smarten up and do it myself.

[hushed bronze]

@serene goblet https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1198

[hushed bronze]

Thomas the Train! FIRE!!!

[edgy ivy]

Ok, cool. Before I bother any busy modders, are there any values in the game files that can be changed to determine how populated systems spawn?

[hushed bronze]

Its in solargeneration global

I forget the exant var names, but they are obvious when you spot them

[edgy ivy]

👍

[serene goblet]

Awesome! And I spent so much time searching!

Thank you!

[shy grove]

that is awesome, scary and hilarious! nice job

[limpid summit]

Looks like https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1491?tab=description breaks a bunch of interactions/drop tables? Is there anyway I can fix this on my end? More details on latest post in link.

[hearty wasp]

It shouldn't says in the page the files edited are
\METADATA\REALITY\TABLES\NMS_REALITY_GCPRODUCTTABLE.MBIN
And
\METADATA\REALITY\TABLES\UNLOCKABLEITEMTREES.MBIN

So unless the latter fucks with drops, I wouldn't think it should break the drops except if the specific products are fucked by product table?

[limpid summit]

I mean, I'll check with it in isolation in the morning, but mcdamm says no conflicts and removing this one mod fixes the stated problems.

[hearty wasp]

can you describe the problems in more detail

like are the drops different, are the NPCs/creatures fucked, etc

[waxen cedar]

So the stars at galaxys edge are just ghost systems that can't be accessed by any means?

Do they even have any seeds assigned to them

[waxen cedar]

Okay it appears the systems are actually there since it generated a mission in one

[waxen cedar]

This is so weird. One star on the skybox actually stands out and has a color and even lens flare to it

[smoky wing]

All possible addresses technically exist, they're just not all accessible in-game. AFAIK, you can change your current system address with a savegame editor to a normally-invalid system, then load the save to be in that system.

I dunno what affect that has on other in-game things like your teleporter network, or the Nexus. Would be an interesting experiment to setup a hidden base in one of those systems. Then see if the game would include it in your normal tele list, or if others could be sent there with you on Nexus missions.

[waxen cedar]

okay the bright star seems to block my pulse drive

as if it was a physical object which it's not

[hushed bronze]

Activate Ludicrous Speed

[waxen cedar]

I tried flying to it with pulse speed set to heccin 999999

[hushed bronze]

damn its a runner too?

[edgy ivy]

Have you tried flying off-target to avoid the pulse restrictions?

Or maybe the game just stops you from going too far?

[hushed bronze]

Im putting together a black space mod with "Real Sun" colors and size variation

[waxen cedar]

Fantastic

Now make size and color variations to the starfield

[hushed bronze]

Cant

But I can generate 400 star colors that are so slightly different you could achieve the same effect with 40 🙂

[waxen cedar]

Hmm, what about adding more than 3 system stars

How are the suns even handled? Haven't yet looked into it at all but since we can adjust their size and amount shouldn't it be possible to just add hundreds of those at minimal size values

[waxen cedar]

"Limitless variety. Endless discovery"

-supermoon plays

[hushed bronze]

The binary/trinary thing is a custom setup HG did. In fact, its giving me problems right now because it operates as an override somewhere and insists on injecting random hard fantasy colors whenever a multi star comes up.

Short answer - We never had (and still dont) have proper control of the number of suns

[waxen cedar]

Ah

sad

so all we have control over are the colors and lighting

[hushed bronze]

We dont even control the lighting actually

Its flat white, hardcoded

at least not space lighting, we do control ground lighting mostly

[waxen cedar]

Hmm, what about planet sizes

Would be interesting to see the extreme ends of big and small planets but I assume the specific size values are hardcoded with no way to adjust?

[hushed bronze]

Rayrod was able to hack the exe for that. its not possible in a proper mod tho

[cunning rose]

Is there a working faster diaolague mod?

I've heard it has incompatabilities

[vale iron]

If you want real star colors, get rid of green stars completely

[hushed bronze]

@vale iron The problem is that the multi star systems take their colors from a place I have yet to Identify

[limpid summit]

Alright removing and replacing all my mods somehow fixed the problem with Craftable Modules above, but now I'm getting crashes every couple minutes, up from never.

[hushed bronze]

so no matter what star colors I make, the binary and ternaries all still have dipshit colors

[vale iron]

Maybe they're a fixed DDS somewhere?

[hushed bronze]

I thought of that possibility. I hope not, because that would be some kinna corner-cutting horseshit lol

@vale iron If you found it for me I would love you forever

[vale iron]

I'll try to look later. Right now, working on getting this ship out tonight

Fix one thing, break another, good times

[hushed bronze]

Sounds amusing

[limpid summit]

Is there a known fix for pieces of a freighter's floor becoming slightly misaligned, which I suspect is related to why the game is umplayably crashy tonight?

[hearty wasp]

that's just the pieces drifting across time

been a thing since basebuilding is a thing

[vale iron]

Usually just resummoning the thing or changing systems fixes it

[steel crypt]

That’s float precision I believe.

[vale iron]

Stupid float

[waxen cedar]

my freighter base got misaligned during one one of last years updates and never returned to normal

now there are just ugly gaps near the entrance part

[hearty wasp]

oops wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIl1Kc-z84I

if the pet thing is unavoidable I might need to add the pet data back in but I'll delay that until I need to lmao

[waxen cedar]

perfection

wish you could turn the actual NPCs into pets

[hearty wasp]

I mean you have some of em sitting in your bases

yeah sure you "hired" them but when did you ever see yourself paying them anything

[vale iron]

Crazy time loop crap

[waxen cedar]

The pre-next NPCs are menacing

[hearty wasp]

a lot more vids and links coming up in the next few hours

[waxen cedar]

they are so big compared to the current ones

[hearty wasp]

just gotta... do more photoshopping first

[waxen cedar]

spawned a pre-next korvax next to my worker and it made me feel uncomfortable

[hearty wasp]

the pre-next ones uses only their own race's assets

since the 3 races are completely separated models

[waxen cedar]

is it just me or are every vy'keen these days using the exact same armor pieces?

with different colors

[idle vale]

"Collect milk"

[hearty wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpF5w-ZKwkg

gotta double check my links before publishing the mods

[hearty wasp]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/853
Getting Head is now updated with MBINcompiler 3.21.0 Pre2, enjoy your Gek with a Fourth Race head again

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/771
Unlock All Emotes is now renamed Extra Networked Emotes because I'm too lazy to make an actual "unlock" version. Has a few of Haz's vanilla emotes included and now has an update AMUMSS script

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1067
Car Boys is now updated, probably will still be the only custom model car replacer for years to come

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1017
Last one for today is HoboTown! Now with piggyback riding and even more tweaked Humongous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMGVr0CbkA

[waxen cedar]

so this replaces every animal with NPCs?

[hearty wasp]

"This mod adds one to two new creature type and can change procedural creature generation behaviour"

it's pretty low on the page so it's possible to be missed lmao

[waxen cedar]

Oh, I'm on phone rn having some breakfast and don't have convenient way of viewing the mod page

[hearty wasp]

lol it k

good thing I finally figured out how to not replace a type

[waxen cedar]

top 10 saddest anime deaths. Love it when he does the nope-emote

[hearty wasp]

or just that HG made it possible idk

[waxen cedar]

Have you tested it in multi? How do the new creatures appear to others?

[hearty wasp]

they're custom scenes

[waxen cedar]

Ah

[hearty wasp]

so they won't show up at all unless the others have it as well

I'm still not sure how it would fuck with existing pets tho

since it technically should change the proc gen pool

[waxen cedar]

I'll test it out later. Do the creatures perform any actions like randomly igniting jetpack or shooting etc?

[hearty wasp]

nop

normal creatures can't shoot

nor transition from land to air\

else you'd see it in vanilla

[waxen cedar]

Ah. What about that debug player model which mimics your actions

Wait that was locked in place

nvm

[hearty wasp]

the what

[manic glacier]

is there a mod that puts a light on the front of your spaceship? My current mod makes night flying scary af

[hearty wasp]

yeah there's one called headlights or something

by Mjjstral I'm sure you can find it on Nexus

[manic glacier]

sweet tyty

[waxen cedar]

Remember that one software from way back which had euclid galaxy you could navigate in 3D space or as a flat plane

and find coordinates etc

[steel crypt]

@manic glacier DUD’S SKY on nexus has a spaceship headlight mod.

[hushed bronze]

@limpid summit When did you build the pieces athat are now misaligned? I noticed that, at least on ground bases, this issue seems to have been resolved in recent updates. I wonder if your freighter misalignment is from a persisting issue or if you just built it before the fixes?

[manic glacier]

ooo ive been meaning to try duds sky too

thanks

[hushed bronze]

You can't just NOT try Dud's sky until now... what r u doing man

[limpid summit]

Like 3 days ago, when I moved to the new freighter.

[hushed bronze]

I guess the issue persists with freighters, then

odd though, Ive built in freighters in recent updates and didnt get misaligned floors

[waxen cedar]

I did

:/

[limpid summit]

Is there a mod to increase stack size for products only? Like metal plates, but not carbon.

[hearty wasp]

Time to take a piss
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1890/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpF5w-ZKwkg

Also, this
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1011

Welcome to the m̵͑͂e̴̤̚c̸̈́͜h̸̓͆a̷͐̽n̵̑͗i̵͐̈́c̷͐͐ȁ̴͝l̶͛̓ ̵͂̍a̵͑̾g̵͊͌e̸͌̽
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca82HiRRvWc

[edgy ivy]

How does one build windows inside a freighter while using Exosolar's base building?

[manic glacier]

What kinda coloring/visuals mods have you guys been enjoying lately? I've been using Exo's Stratos Origins and Expanse Pure Black

[hearty wasp]

see above^

[hushed bronze]

Unfortunately I started playing Genshin Impact, and because I game like a crack whore, that means the improvements I promised for Stratos and Expanse will be delayed. (but what else is new at this point lol)

[edgy ivy]

What is Genshin Impact and why is it everywhere?

[waxen cedar]

a good game

how do the galactic coordinates translate

like

what would be position X Y and Z on a galactic map when read as galactic coordinates

the first 3 are obviously corresponding to XYZ and the last is solar system index?

[smoky wing]

For the signal booster format: https://nomanssky.gamepedia.com/Galactic_Coordinates
For the savegame hex format: https://old.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/6rcl3p/json_galactic_address/

[waxen cedar]

Thanks

[waxen cedar]

actual noodle terrain

yes please

[outer rain]

in nms save editor, how to make copy of a save from normal and then make it into survival, i used the third file for it but it didint work, even if I deleted The items that had 250/500 items in it.

[hallow pumice]

This is quality 😂

[hearty wasp]

for a learning course in AMUMSS I'd say it turned out p good

[lime mesa]

Does save editor fall under this category? Trying to figure out if u can save edit sandworms into companion slots like other unobtainable fauna

[hearty wasp]

prolly

I mean it'll have the issues that most other "unconventional" fauna are having, but yeah, prolly

if it's a creature

[lime mesa]

Yeah figured out how editing companions works I just don't know if I wanna attempt sandworms I could see that corrupting a save file if it's too big and causes the game to auto crash

[hearty wasp]

model's size is an illusion

the only size that matters in the files are the size of the data

[lime mesa]

okay Ill try putting in a sandworm then

[hearty wasp]

but it can cause weird behaviour

[lime mesa]

What other fauna would be nice to have that we can't already?

[hearty wasp]

like the sentinel quad mentioned above

[hearty wasp]

idk you tried Polo?

slavery is not ok but I'm not a moral compass

[lime mesa]

Haven't tried polo is he a creature in the data?

[hearty wasp]

and it's not like we pay our base employees after we "hire" them anyway

[hearty wasp]

don't remember

[lime mesa]

im honestly surprised sandworms are

[hearty wasp]

afaik the param is just a file path

so who knows

maybe you can put in a chair

sit anywhere

I honestly haven't digged enough into the issue to know the restrictions lmfao

[slate veldt]

Does this still jive with recent updates?
I need to do some galaxy map astronomy and I think this could help a ton

[hearty wasp]

did we even get an update in the last month

now for something completely different

there're like, 4 people in the whole world who'd recognise this

[lime mesa]

anyone know the creature ID for the flying snakes and their descriptors?

[round sinew]

sorry for the late reply! the one i'm using was built 27-02, and the upload here was also on the 27th, so it should be good 🙂

[blazing crescent]

what mod

[steel crypt]

My Beta terrain (voxgen) mod. Here is a copy. It is Beta, might change or something....who knows. It has been fairly stable for a while. Just recently made some changes to underwater. Been working on it for more than a year now LOL.

[blazing crescent]

cool

[steel crypt]

@blazing crescent Here's a couple of pics of terrain type stuff. Don't have many "terrain" pics.

[lime mesa]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1398

I tried updating this but I wasnt sure if I did it right. Not my mod.

I ran the .pak through the PSarctool and it made no .Luas

Trying to follow this guide

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1884

Im mainly curious if there's an up to date mod that has creature distance really high, I used to have a mod that did so but it got outdated

[hearty wasp]

if the author didn't include a lua why tf would it throw up a lua when unpacked lmfao

[tough imp]

anybody here use the save editor and have a 10 10 10 10 illegal hazard protection upgrade?

i would like to know the ID

[hearty wasp]

you can prolly just mod the tech table to get more juice out of the ogs too

but I assume it's not as easy

[vapid abyss]

So, I'm 700+ hours into my current save and I've run out of things to do save learning all the words.

I'd like to get into save editor. Where do I start? Is there a guide out there?

[hearty wasp]

prolly, in the mod page

depends on what you wanna do with it

[steel crypt]

@lime mesa Just copying the data from the old mod won't work the same because the way creatures spawn has changed. If you want to make a mod for this then you will have to experiment with distance values to see what works for you/is the same sort of thing as the old mod.

[hearty wasp]

I mean, the title of the mod says x6, wouldn't that just mean you should just be able to get the vanilla number, multiply by 6 and theorectically have it work

but then HG could've just replaced the param with another purpose altogether, tho that's rare

[cold umbra]

Back it up then :P EZ

[slate veldt]

Im out of the loop but ive seen some cool stuff here lately. Has anyone figured out how to animate the non-exotic ship types yet? Like rotating engines, wings etc

[hearty wasp]

animations in NMSDK is not yet done

[slate veldt]

Ah, ok. What are the limitations of ship model replacements? Does it replace specifically the active ship or a group of ship types or?

[hearty wasp]

wym

can we replace parts of a ship? sure

can we replace whole ships? we've done that before

also spinning doesn't need anims

just an entity

so if you make, say, a multipart engine, you can make it spin with an entity

[slate veldt]

Yep, i meant this. Thats awesome, i need to see what ones are available then.
For the ship animations, I meant the landing and take off animations that exotics have. There's a lot of non-exotic ship parts that look like they should move when landing/takeoff, but dont. I wasnt sure if that was possible with the current DK tho

[vale iron]

I think the only one released so far is the Razor Crest. If you look at the old Ships of Moar, that's not far off from being released with 40 different ships. If you have ideas, post them and people will see what they can make.

[hearty wasp]

that's a fancy way to say "ignore"

but yeah they're in some testing rn iirc

[fickle frost]

*wanders in after like six months* hey does anyone know if there are any working stack mods atm? I wasn't able to find a concrete answer searching message history haha

[bleak geode]

How can I start to use mods? I saw some NMS mods on nexusmods.com but some of them havent been updated since 2016. Is the a better source or way to get some mods?

[waxen cedar]

nexusmods is the best place

you need to sort by latest or recently updated

[steel crypt]

@hearty wasp Something changed ....somewhere around maybe Next???? I used to have a mod like that for creature spawn distance, so I'm familiar. Something changed with the way they spawn and how that value was used. In other words, I could use the same values for the same variables after the change and the distance was different. Something changed in the exe. All I'm saying is that if that mod was made before the change and you use the same values now, the distance will be different than it was with the original mod. Some tweaking might be necessary to get the same distance.

[hushed bronze]

Thats not a white hole. How you gonna go and warp into a non white hole

[waxen cedar]

just replace every warp with the default loading icon

👍

That would look very nice

[thorny tide]

is there a mod that lets you browse through your buildable structures better?

the default menu is annoying imo

[hearty wasp]

no

tho regrouping objects into your desired groups can be quite easy if you decide to do it yourself

[thorny tide]

ok

[waxen cedar]

I wonder how a radial menu would feel like when building

[hearty wasp]

that'd be p cool actually

I mean it's still largely irrelevant on pc since you can scroll wheel so quickly

but I guess being able to see all the icons will help a lot still

[waxen cedar]

what about a grid view

you could navigate it quickly but moving your character at the same time would become quite difficult

[hearty wasp]

what about a phone app

you choose what you want to build on your phone and you build it in the game

just make a UI like Mincraft creative mode and let people search for parts and be done with it

[jolly flume]

Freecam while building tho

[hearty wasp]

isn't that already a thing

[tropic wind]

yeah...

[waxen cedar]

yeh

I'm always using it when building

never bother to stay in 1st or 3rd person unless I have to place something precisely in front of me

[west needle]

press "c" while in base-building mode

[waxen cedar]

Anyone know which files references the skybox nebulae texture and where that texture is stored under?

[hearty wasp]

you tried TEXTURES\SPACE?

[cunning rose]

Is there a mod that makes landing more reliable?

[vale iron]

I don't think anyone's released one, but I have some changes in my personal mod that makes it a lot easier. If you want to make one, I can share the settings

[cunning rose]

Oh jeez. I got no clue how to mess with that stuff

[hearty wasp]

start learning and you'll have some clue in no time

[hushed bronze]

@heavy merlin Hey you still around?

[heavy merlin]

Yup

[waxen cedar]

well this certainly looks weird

[vale iron]

Are they both functional and do they go to the same place?

[dim tiger]

Hi all, I wanted to ask if there is a mod that strongly connects No man's sky and Factorio

[tropic wind]

i dont do much modding, but generally speaking the mods that are made are pretty simple. usually just mild gameplay improvements or replacing sentinels with thomas the train. however, i may be corrected by someone more experienced.

[hearty wasp]

I have no idea what that means

[tropic wind]

what i said? or what neko said?

[hearty wasp]

like making NMS into SatisFactory?

the latter

[tropic wind]

basically

i thiink they want autocrafting, conveyer belts, etc

[hearty wasp]

yeah

so SatisFactory

[tropic wind]

but with procedural generation

[hearty wasp]

that's a game that you can actually play

[tropic wind]

im not a coder, but that sounds like making an entire game in a mod 😉

nms is not modded like minecraft.

[hearty wasp]

I mean monkeyman's working on making something called sketchnodes work

basically a higher level scene / material action thing

but that doesn't mean anyone will use it

because not many has time or arse to actually mod this game

also there's a reason vanilla doesn't have elevators and makes you walk up stairs

[tropic wind]

what is that?

[tropic wind]

what is that?

[hearty wasp]

so now in entites we have a basic sequence maker called Trigger Actions

it's a multi instance (sometimes) but mostly sequential and linear thing that lets the entity interact with limited stuff like hiding a part of the model, giving the player a reward, play a sound / animation etc

and there is no variable we can use but only triggers provided to us like proximity and time to start a subsequence

[tropic wind]

this is a lot of big words

[hearty wasp]

sketchnodes from what little I've seen looks like a more advanced sequencing data type that has counters and forking

[hearty wasp]

yeah I'm not a good explainer

I make mods, not tutorials lmao

[tropic wind]

im not a good listener

[hearty wasp]

gumsk'd prolly be better at it

[tropic wind]

i came back, and i see the words "Trigger Actions, Multi Instance, etc"

and i didnt even try to keep reading

[hearty wasp]

yeah, NMS be complicated like that

it's complicated at the same time as not allowing much to do

and it's generally a big turnoff

and if you think that's complicated, you haven't heard of the quest tables

[dim tiger]

I would do mods if I had better RAM

[hearty wasp]

my PCs turns itself off twice daily

[vale iron]

I barely have a grasp on trigger actions and state changes. Sketch nodes scare me.

[hearty wasp]

hopefully monkeyman makes a tool for it 👀

else I wouldn't be touching it in a while I like do quest tables

tbh NMSDK already has trigger action editor as well iirc

I just haven't ever used it

[tropic wind]

my game used to crash multiple times, but since i upgraded my gpu its running beautifully 🥺

i didnt even notice i was on max settings beccasue of how nice the fps was

ive only crashed once

[hearty wasp]

I'm p sure I just have a shitty PSU

turns out using 80+ white isn't a very good idea

[hearty wasp]

when the imposter is plant! 😳

[tropic wind]

OMG

OMONG US IN NO MENSKY

[hearty wasp]

90% of the plants in the game have an imposter node

[tropic wind]

THEY ARE ALL IMPOSTERS

[hearty wasp]

they truly are... amogus

[tropic wind]

OMG

[waxen cedar]

Anyone else bothered by the fact that exocraft hitbox has been a rudimentary rectangle ever since Beyond?

At least for the roamer

or it might be just the old hitbox left under the enlarged model

[hearty wasp]

you tried the truck?

the collision's been half-sinking into the ground for forever

HG hasn't updated the colls since they blew up the models

also their colls are defined in vehicle globals iirc

[vale iron]

ffs, even I could fix that if that's the case. I know they have a list of fixes a mile long, but come on

[steel crypt]

NMS modding....1 mod I want to make, 3 vanilla fixes.

[hoary sigil]

Any mods that increase the size of the companion register?

6 is just far too few.

[vale iron]

No, it's not possible

[hoary sigil]

Well, at least there's this. https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/1879

Was just hoping for something a bit more elegant.

[hearty wasp]

I guess you can always email HG about it

[hoary sigil]

Not possible, or not practical to implement and maintain?

On the surface it seems like it would be a pretty simple edit.

[hearty wasp]

not possible

slots sizes are static

the only flexible one is bases iirc

[hoary sigil]

I think there's a mod that increases inventory size.

[hearty wasp]

...to the maximum that the game allows which is 48

[waxen cedar]

I can't understand why they haven't added cargo slots to ships

Those are the most logical place for a cargo hold to be in. Not some tiny backpack

[mental marsh]

Especially haulers.

[blazing crescent]

Does anyone have a really solid proc gen mod? i tried this one https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/797?tab=files and was kind of disappointed, didnt find any really interesting planets like the pictures on the mods page.

[hushed bronze]

@blazing crescent there are a handful of other attempts, try redmas's version

[blazing crescent]

isnt that one the fantasy mod or whatever its called

[obsidian tree]

@hearty wasp you can already use NMSDK to create entity files with action triggers 😛

it's been possible for years

just no-one uses it 😢 haha

[hearty wasp]

yeah I know that lel

[granite knoll]

when downloading mods, it downloads them as .7z files instead of .pak and they don't work?

[hearty wasp]

have you tried

unzipping it

[granite knoll]

its not a file

folder*

[hearty wasp]

7z is a zip type

[hushed bronze]

@granite knoll Theres an app called 7zip that you can DL that makes .7z files. It will also open rar and regular zip

its just like .rar or .zip, .7z is an archive

[granite knoll]

ahh okay thank you ill download it

[waxen cedar]

[hearty wasp]

does win10 not decompress 7z natively

or winrar

[steel crypt]

It does. You just double click to open it in explorer. Assuming it is using the standard compression method.

[edgy ivy]

Is it possible to make your freighter a place you can warp via base teleporter?

[waxen cedar]

nope

well you could always set a temporary base computer up there with its own teleporter

[edgy ivy]

Since when were base computers a freighter placeable item?

[waxen cedar]

since you remove all the base restrictions

[edgy ivy]

What?

[waxen cedar]

yes

in the debugglobals

Wait

[edgy ivy]

Oh, let me just casually mod the most difficult game to mod ever.

[waxen cedar]

wait that's not difficult. It should already be in the settings that don't even need unpakking

GCGAMEPLAYSETTINGS

or something like that

[edgy ivy]

Have you tried this yourself to make sure having an actual base moving around doesn't cause issues? I suddenly get the feeling HG didn't add freighter 2-way teleports for a reason.

[waxen cedar]

you can't obviously move the base

that would be a terrible idea but the only way to actually have some sort of tp back to freighter

[edgy ivy]

Moving around as in jumping with the freighter. Besides that, you're sure removing the base doesn't delete the entire freighter? How does the game know what's supposed to be a part of the base inside?

[hearty wasp]

or in graphics settings tbh

or does that not work on that particular thing

[waxen cedar]

I don't remember where it was. Removed the restricts long ago and never bothered to look but they are still available for anyone in the MXMLs under binaries

I think

[hearty wasp]

they prolly can't because I think your location within the freighter is just your position in space

iirc reflected in save location data

[waxen cedar]

The game has this little feature when 2 bases collide. You can middle click and it will switch the base that you're editing. Parts that are already placed under the freighter base won't be deleted ofc

[edgy ivy]

I'd rather just see if there's a mod that just makes freighters support using their teleporter than this hacky and probably risky workaround.

[waxen cedar]

that would be the best

@hearty wasp can we actually force specific locations into the teleporter list with mods? It seems very tricky especially when talking about constantly moving location

[hearty wasp]

I never looked at the teleporters

but I think teleporters just store their relative location to base computer

[waxen cedar]

so we can rule out the use of teleporters

[hearty wasp]

I don't remember the big portal tps

[waxen cedar]

what about a function that teleports the player to a set of coordinates when using a quick menu binding

[hearty wasp]

don't remember if you can set coords in reward table

quest tables can be possible since there are more options there

[waxen cedar]

there are the short range teleporters and scripted events in story where you get teleported to a pre-determined xyz within your current system

[edgy ivy]

Is it possible to make a teleporter fetch whatever a freighter uses instead of a base computer?

[hearty wasp]

but if anyone want to dig into that hellscape then hey go ahead

[hearty wasp]

yeah that's what I meant by quest table

not sure about coords buuuuuttttt

I think it was possible to tp to a specific system

space station or planet, random local coords

it's so powerful the only downfall is that it's the most complicated structure to make

[hearty wasp]

I have no idea what you mean by that

but the answer is likely "not really"

didn't the big tp thing worked tho

I don't remember too well I last used em 2 years ago

[edgy ivy]

What a freighter uses to determine what counts as the buildable area

[hearty wasp]

past the loading area

the loading area is the base computer equivalent

the "2 doors" thing

your base quite literally gets unloaded when you get out of it

[edgy ivy]

I suppose you could get freighter teleporters to use that instead of base computers?

[hearty wasp]

I still have no idea what you're talking about

like you wanna use the big tp thing to go to that?

[edgy ivy]

You said earlier base tps store the destination using their position relative to the base computer they're linked to

[hearty wasp]

yeah, and you can't tp across bases with those

there's a reason everything you short range tp to is part of the same base

you can't make an object move dynamically

not without ram manip, of course

[edgy ivy]

I don't follow

[hearty wasp]

with the short range tp

you can only tp within the same base

[edgy ivy]

When did we start talking about short range tps

[hearty wasp]

I mean if you mean the one you have to go into a dialog for that's another story lol

I don't remember how those work but you can turn off basebuilding restrictions and try out yourself with ease

[edgy ivy]

Yeah, I want to be able to warp to my freighter via an actual base tp.

[hearty wasp]

p sure even back then you can tp from freighter to bases

[edgy ivy]

Is there no way to hack the game into letting you warp to a freighter?

[hearty wasp]

I mean, if you can hack cheat engine enough, anything is possible

[edgy ivy]

By hack, I mean modding the game no matter how shoddy it is and how many shortcuts you need to take to get to-freighter teleports working.

[hearty wasp]

no I mean literally getting into the memory and changing the values

[hushed bronze]

@edgy ivy Its a job for either the devs or an absolute master programmer with open source code, so no, its not reasonable to expect that possibility.

[edgy ivy]

k

[hushed bronze]

The game currently is only set up to manage warp destinations for static positions and has no ability to track one that relocates without additional code framework to support that. (Though I would agree that the concept doesn't seem to complicatied and the devs should easily be able to pull that off)

People have used hax to drop a base computer on a freighter, which works until the freighter moves, because the computer and its teleport target dont follow along

[edgy ivy]

You know, I do think I had a reason to worry about having a bc on a freighter.

[hearty wasp]

HG should get multiple freighter within one system working first

[hushed bronze]

@edgy ivy I guess if "any means necessary" flies, bc's work great but you have to re-do it anytime you move that freighter

[edgy ivy]

That's much easier to mod in but unfortunately the second freighter to warp in ends up using the same palette as the first freighter :/

[hearty wasp]

yeah that's why I said "working"

[hushed bronze]

@hearty wasp I think both of these features should have been implemented very early on in the existence of freighters. Both crucial capacities for the darn thing

[hearty wasp]

that's not what you'd call "working" for a released game standard lel

two freighters being inside each other is not "working"

[edgy ivy]

If there was any more foresight HG wouldn't have let NMS' release fall into the hands of massive corps ran by bullies

[hushed bronze]

Well thats nearly all games with a budget shortage. Its pretty much unavoidable most of the time

But Freighters were released almost four years ago. Its not "foresight" anymore

[edgy ivy]

I do think HG should fix what's already been dished out before pumping out more random fluff to prevent an overrun of broken content.

[hushed bronze]

Did we drop NMS-future channel or am I just a blind dipshit?

@edgy ivy We all been sayin that for ages lol

[edgy ivy]

It's been renamed to #nms-the-future because Sean dropped a hint that points to more pointless filler.

[hushed bronze]

Im curious about said pointless filler, where can I find that

[edgy ivy]

Compass emoji.

[hushed bronze]

Although I agree with the philosophy of polish-before-new-content, Lately their updates have been coming out more refind/complete and with less collateral damage

Right. Of course it would be another single emoji....

i would have lol'd if he used the exact same egg as for living ships, again with companions 😄

[hearty wasp]

I just hope they don't kill more of modding

[edgy ivy]

HG might be making a turn to polishing, but I'd say it's a bit of a slow turn. Some aspects of the game are still as broken or flawed as they were 4 years ago.

[hushed bronze]

@hearty wasp Are you referring to vulkan/shaders?

[hearty wasp]

yeah, mainly

and hundreds of hours we took to fix eucli-ea

[hushed bronze]

I think that was mostly incidental, i doubt there was any intent to interfere with graphics mods

or any mods tbh

[hearty wasp]

whether they mean it or not, the effect is there

[waxen cedar]

these work just fine, tried with a full group and it had no performance impact

[hearty wasp]

tried shoving em inside each other?

it's pretty fun

[waxen cedar]

yup

mm double bridge

that's literally the only issue there is apart from the other bridge exterior getting also hidden when you enter your freighter

Both are also easy to pull off by HG. I don't see any practical reason why they keep this feature locked by default

[edgy ivy]

I do wish HG could reduce the dissonance between the interior and exterior.

[edgy ivy]

For me the 2nd freighter ends up taking the colour palette of the 1st.

[waxen cedar]

Yeah, really disturbing imo to have the freighter interior scene completely misaligned from the exterior

[edgy ivy]

Doesn't feel like they were planed out well enough.

[waxen cedar]

I have a feeling they were alright pre-next and the freighter interior overhaul

[edgy ivy]

I prefer the old freighter layout.

[waxen cedar]

that seemed like sort of rushed thing. They didn't even care about making the hangar uglier

[edgy ivy]

Not sure if it was misaligned back then but the current layout doesn't give the bridge enough space to rest where it should.

[waxen cedar]

absolutely disgusting

[edgy ivy]

Blegh!

[waxen cedar]

just look at it

[edgy ivy]

I've been OOB many times when mapping my interiors but the dissonance never fails to disgust me.

[waxen cedar]

[edgy ivy]

I'll check if there's dissonance in PF.

[waxen cedar]

Ah you got separate versions installed?

[edgy ivy]

Yep

I'm almost sure HG did this to make room for the 'better' walk to the bridge

[waxen cedar]

the old look was visually more pleasing

I especially enjoyed the window to your hangar

[edgy ivy]

Well there's that, so it can't have been mismatched.

Oh man, the SFX are so much more 70s. I don't get why Hello Games is actively sabotaging its charm.

Without a hyperdrive map transition to use to clip the camera out of bounds, there's not much I can use to confirm that old layouts were better.

[waxen cedar]

well there is that upper corner of the back wall in your hangar which had no collision

you can literally just jetpack your way out of the freighter hangar

or was it fixed in PF

[edgy ivy]

Oh, I'll try that

@waxen cedar, where is the collision gap specifically?

[waxen cedar]

the back wall of freighter hangar

at the very top

[edgy ivy]

Well I've tried several corners, which one specifically?

[waxen cedar]

the very middle of the back wall

at the corner where the wall and ceiling touch

[edgy ivy]

Oh, the middle? I'm out now, thank you

Would you look at that

It fits

[waxen cedar]

"UseLegacyFreighters"doesn't do anything right? @hushed bronze

[waxen cedar]

This proves they rushed the freighter interior with NEXT

[edgy ivy]

The goal might have been to blend the walk to the bridge with the new freighter specialised parts, and it was a decent tradeoff from the Euclidean geometry but I'd rather just have both.

[edgy ivy]

I really hope it does, and I really hope this wouldn't break the interior I built.

[waxen cedar]

OMG

OMG OMG OMG

[edgy ivy]

OH SHIIIITTT

[edgy ivy]

@waxen cedar, are your structures not fucked up??

Does this work in MP???

[waxen cedar]

structures are fkd

but look at this

so beautiful

clean windows

ah

[edgy ivy]

Why did HG not try to not to sabotage this in trying to introduce freighter parts?

[waxen cedar]

how I missed clean windows

not the ugly mess which blurs between different lod levels all the time

old warp thing

You can't manage fleet etc

but at least you have visually pleasing freighter

[edgy ivy]

How do structures look?

[edgy ivy]

Buildable area? Is it useable?

[waxen cedar]

nnnope

[edgy ivy]

craaap.

[waxen cedar]

ah, so beatiful and right where it should be

there is a slight issue

your ships won't exit

they just take off and bounce around in the hangar like balloons

well it was too good to be true

This old hangar looks so comfy compared to the empty dark hall we got now

[edgy ivy]

RIP

[torn girder]

yeah, they changed and removed so many things

next is the biggest example

the game lost all of it's original aesthetic 😦

i want my 1st person warp back

the terrain gen

colors

[edgy ivy]

Made a big rant in #nms-the-future about the lost potential NMS has...

[torn girder]

lol

😦

[edgy ivy]

HG only took notes from the worst parts of 70s sci fi like the planes-in-space and the horrible multicoloured skies

[torn girder]

they did a good job with the old art style tho

it look more like a 'painting'

[edgy ivy]

There's nothing to compliment that.

[torn girder]

but they changed it to a more generic 'realistic' route

[edgy ivy]

Like, why??

[torn girder]

i don't know............

i remember some people saying that the game looked "cartoonish"

but that was the POINT

idiots

and HG listened to those people

and made it more "realistic"

[edgy ivy]

Wide screen, film artefacts, 70s audio distortions, logo reel reminiscent of 80s Doctor Who or a 70s Hollywood studio, black holes that resemble big water vortexes...

Anything else to add to that list?

[waxen cedar]

I've done it too many times in #forever-archived-legacy

[hearty wasp]

man, those artefacts were disgusting

but I digress this ain't the right channel

[edgy ivy]

Hyperspace isn't interesting, just space puke. Elite II lets you see the hyperspace portals you're leaving and entering and Star Wars has the cool starfield transition...

[waxen cedar]

Maybe this stuff should be moved to other channels instead of modding tho

[edgy ivy]

#nms-the-future?

[waxen cedar]

I guess there

[lime mesa]

@full niche do you have any update on nomnom? it's been a long time

[hearty wasp]

it needed one?

[hushed bronze]

I think someone switched it on and it just swaps the hanger for the old style one, how it was in Foundations thru NEXT

[waxen cedar]

just tried and confirmed it works up there

[hushed bronze]

So it does what I thought? Swaps in the old school hangar layout?

Have you tested if all the collisions n stuff are correct? @waxen cedar

IDK if you're into moderate-effort mods, but if you dig up the two scenes and figure out how to push the important mission-givers from the bridge into the oldschool hangar, I bet it would be a mod people like

[edgy ivy]

If the mod is removed, theoretically, it all is shifted back to the location of the modern bay, right?

[hushed bronze]

I would assume so.

[edgy ivy]

Everything would transform so the block just behind the bridge is moved to the airlock behind the docking bay, right?

I'd assume this mod would tell the game to transform each block relative to its og position so everything works out nicely

One more thing, might objects in the bridge transform backwards a bit to end up in the legacy bridge?

[hushed bronze]

Fastest way to know for sure is to try it

[vale iron]

There's definitely a problem with it. The hallway to the bridge doesn't line up properly with the old style hangar

You could probably get around that, but I guess you would need to go messing with the SCENE file

at least that's my recollection

[hushed bronze]

yeah thats kinda what I was getting at, You would have to make some changes to the scene to make it viable in current NMS, and its all not really worth it to most people, to do so much work just to mildly change the hangar

[waxen cedar]

I just really miss this

and the fact that the bridge was actually perfectly aligned with the exterior bridge

[waxen cedar]

Not really. Most I have done is to add stuff to the build table

and played around with the globals and some textures

[hearty wasp]

NPCs are literally just locators

they're some of the easiest shit to do with proc gen scenes

[hushed bronze]

i know but its stil work to be done beyond "UseLegacyFreighter"=tru

all i was sayin

[waxen cedar]

I didn't try to make them playable. Just wanted to see if the legacy freighters could actually be in modern NMS...The entire exit door is broken and you can't fly your ship out. When summoning the freighter from space the game will crash.

I'll happily leave it to more experienced modders or people who have more time on their hands rn

[hearty wasp]

those people are known as mythical creatures

[outer rain]

what is nms code for survival mode?

[hearty wasp]

What

[obsidian tree]

I don't remember...

[sinful anvil]

😐

[obsidian tree]

I remember mapping all the codes for each mode at some point, but I don't remember it now...

GameMode Version In-GameMode
1 4616 Normal
2 5128 Creative
3 5640 Survival
4 6125 Ambient
5 7176 Permadeath

found it

[tropic wind]

^ worth a pin?

[unborn olive]

I was told to ask this here: can you get in trouble for switching from survival to normal? The game has a lot of multiplayer/crossplay stuff which is why I'm asking

I don't want to like get banned from the official NMS servers or something like that lol

[hearty wasp]

no

[runic solstice]

Hmm, the save editor refuses to save. Found a new ship, I want to make a few tweaks to it.

[vale iron]

Those values change with some releases, so a pin would need to be updated occasionally. Not a big deal, just saying

I think normal is 4639 now

[tropic wind]

@soft girder is the above thing worth a pin?

the chart

[soft girder]

Uh I'm not sure, driving atm

[tropic wind]

ok

ima reformat it rq

GameMode Version In-GameMode
1 4639 Normal
2 5128 Creative
3 5640 Survival
4 6125 Ambient
5 7176 Permadeath

            *Credit to @monkeyman192#7076*

@spring vessel could this get a pin?

[hearty wasp]

how do you use discord while driving

sounds p dangerous

[waxen cedar]

Everyone has texted while driving at least once

[hearty wasp]

I haven't tbh

but that's because I don't know how to drive

[tropic wind]

and whatif said peopel have never driven?

loophole

[waxen cedar]

hmm

at least they have texted

[tropic wind]

babies:

😦

[waxen cedar]

one of my relatives already gave their kid a phone when they were 3

the heck

[tropic wind]

wtf

but still

[waxen cedar]

Btw how has the pattern been with updates that got datamined before being announced? Like were there any files related to Desolation before it was out?

Just wondering if HG only lets the smaller things leak like pets and mech.

[hearty wasp]

are there even people datamining

I don't think many people've been caring to dive into the files for a while

[waxen cedar]

except the NMS tubers that spoil the quicksilver items

Doubt they even found them but rather just unlock everything and scroll through the build menu

[hearty wasp]

I mean they're incredibly easy to unlock

used to have a mod just to unlock em early

I named it "Consumerism"

have a lua for it now, actually

[waxen cedar]

ah

I wonder if there actually even is anything new in the files rn

[hearty wasp]

I haven't noticed anything

but then I haven't dived into much else other than the things I'm updating

with model viewer it's incredibly easy to just dive into the files and see models

[vale iron]

Those values are out of date though

Normal is 4639 now

[edgy ivy]

What happens if you set an invalid value?

[vale iron]

I think they stay 256 apart though when they increment up

Don't recall

[full niche]

Currently not but it will definitely come soon™️. Nothing big as you might expected after that long time but I had to take a break and started a side project that I'm about to finish. After that I will work on NomNom again

[hearty wasp]

opportune time that'll be

prolly will have an NMS update to deal with then lmao

[hushed bronze]

@spring vessel @tropic wind

[tropic wind]

Fixed

[hushed bronze]

iirc the other four values all shift too, Gumsk mentioned it

[tropic wind]

@vale iron did they all change?

[devout inlet]

anybody using the "Deep Space" graphical overhaul mod? if so, is it worth using?

[edgy ivy]

This?
https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/71

[devout inlet]

yes, that

[edgy ivy]

That mod released 19 days after NMS itself. Unless you're getting this mod specifically because you have the launch version on your PC, don't expect it to run.

[devout inlet]

fair enough. I was just looking for something to make the graphics look a bit less plastic-y

oh well. I'll just not mess with it lol thanks

[edgy ivy]

Keep looking, yw

[hushed bronze]

@devout inlet what do you mean by plastic

and yeah Deep Space V2 has been nonfunctional in current NMS versions for over three years. The fact that it continues to get voted top page is just baffling

[edgy ivy]

Prolly cos mod users don't realise they left Steam offline since NMS left launch phase

On a more serious note, any modders willing to work on legacy freighters?

[desert forge]

Alright, I have a question. Just out of curiosity:
How difficult would it be to make a mod that lets you turn in an entire stack of food to Cronus at once rather than one at a time?

[waxen cedar]

I would if I had the skills or time to learn more in-depth modding...