nms-spoilers

[muted moth]

now you're goign to move the cursor along that line and go to the edge of the screen, it's going to stop moving at some point and you will just hold it in position there. hold hold hold hold. wait. and eventually something will happen.

RS I guess for that.

[uncut harness]

So I stay locked onto the system I'm in?

[muted moth]

you just keep pushing your cursor along that path like the screen sas

[uncut harness]

Got it

[muted moth]

says

[uncut harness]

Let's fucking go

[muted moth]

yeah!! woooooooo

[young slate]

nice lol

F in chat to your multi-tool

[uncut harness]

Man. @muted moth you're a legend, I'd give ya a some of the BBQ and Beers I'm working at right now if I could.

[uncut harness]

I swapped everything off before I went through

Have 120 repair kits ready

[young slate]

oh yeah

[muted moth]

this is the way

[young slate]

I should remember those tricks lol

[uncut harness]

All set for Calypso, fuck yeahhhhhh

♥️🤘♥️🤘♥️🤘♥️🤘

I am approaching my 3 week mark of the game and I'm loving survival/perma

[muted moth]

have a grand time, send us some pics!

I've got a couple tiny bases in normal there, haven't built out anything yet, really backlogged

[uncut harness]

I'm always nomadic thus far in the game but I want to settle into some nasty planet in Calypso and actually fully build a base, make every Exocraft and help others along their path ♥️

[uncut harness]

I'll take some on the first planet I get too, thanks again for the help and patience

[muted moth]

for sure! you hang around here long enough, you know that the core warp is one of the things most counter intuitive in this game

you'll be explaining it to others soon enough 😄

[uncut harness]

I do these things for others so much in the Souls and GTA community. I never really ask others for help, not that I'm opposed to it or anything, I just never think to and I don't want others to be bothered with my ass if I'm struggling. It's nice to feel for once what I try to make others feel like.

Honestly this discord alone is one of the best representations of a community I've ever seen, I adore you guys and speak highly of everyone here to friends of mine I've only just barely introduced to the game

[muted moth]

hey it's how our community gets better and better

everyone helping each other out.

[uncut harness]

Peace and love, going to finish cooking for the fam and then finally going to Calypso on perma

To suffer happily 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[uncut harness]

@muted moth

I'm losing my absolute shit right now laughing my ass off

[muted moth]

oh??

[uncut harness]

Soon as I actually fully get into Calypso, literally get sweeped up off the fucking ground by a superstorm

[muted moth]

omg 😄

it has a reputation for a reason!!

[uncut harness]

Like as soon as the little loading thing finished I started sliding and was alike "hmmm....wtf"

launched into a wall and mauled to death by air

[muted moth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/v19qqj/i_made_a_series_of_vintage_travel_posters_for/

[uncut harness]

GG lol, Holy shit. All I did was stick everything on hand into my cargo as fast as possible, so no losses. Still hilarious though, Jesus

[muted moth]

lololol

making you feel welcome right away!

[uncut harness]

All I did was load into Calypso and decide to jump

I ended up getting out of it though, lol. What a lovely greeting

[muted moth]

"reload autosave", our best fren

[digital marsh]

16/16 was a nice mission i enjoyed the brief part where you were ||floating in space||

[uncut harness]

I kept thinking of it haha, I was like "man.....ffs"

[mental socket]

hmm... is this log from a travelers perspective?

They talk about Gek, Vy'keen and Korvax as different species and even refer their own history to be similar with Vy'keens

but travelers history isn't really one of war and hatred though? At least I didn't interpret it to be. I thought travelers were quite peaceful and only few of them did some questionable choices

[frank gale]

think the log is from a Gek

they're apart of a Gek crew and are on a trade route

[mental socket]

It's odd they talk about other Gek as if they weren't part of the same species

at least that's how I read it

[frank gale]

also where did you get this

[mental socket]

crashed freighter log

it's like they disassociate themselves from the main 3 races there

[digital marsh]

the first 3 i think are from the perspective of a traveler, while the last 3 are from a gek.

[heady wyvern]

It's not too far-fetched to believe that these are mixed-race vessels, if the three races can coexist peacefully on the Space Stations.

[digital marsh]

First 2 might be from a vy’keen then. the square at the front of the first 2 probably indicate it’s a different species from the last 3.

[slate cloak]

So what are everyone thought on why hirk the great Decreed that Travelers must be helped and let continue their travel. They do not believe Atlas is a god so why do we think it was decided.

[eternal radish]

It seems like a very observant Gek to me. Hmmm. What if it was the base overseer? Remember them telling you your child payed them to help you?

[muted moth]

I do. which shows that the arrow of time is all messed up in this sim

[eternal radish]

What if past, present and future exist "next" to eachother in NMS instead of in chronological order? Sounds very out there I know.

That, in a way, everyone in the simulation experiences time in a "fourth dimensional" way so to speak.

Not only the veil between different universerses is thinning, the veil between past, present and future is thinning as well.

[muted moth]

smultaneity is an illusion, according to relativity, so maybe there never was an arrow of time

[eternal radish]

But if something is similtaneous, that means it's happening at the same time, right?

[muted moth]

it would mean that if there were such a thing!

[eternal radish]

What do you mean with this sentence?

[muted moth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity this!

and in the nms universe where causality is up for grabs, one can toss that anchor out the window

[eternal radish]

Aaah. I get your point now. Thank you!

[eternal radish]

Yeah. Since the "veil" is thinning due to the Atlas dying.

Pfft I needed all my braincells which haven't been fried from burn-out to figure this out haha 😅

[muted moth]

oops yeah that whole thing can be a bit mind bending!

[autumn wasp]

Iirc the boxes are also there when talking to the atlas which might mean it’s an anomaly(the race) while the other 2 are gek

[stoic mural]

They could be one of the lost species from previous universes

We're told that some freighters come from them

and there used to be a lot more species before it was shrunk down to the small handful that exist now

[slate cloak]

Anyone???

[stoic mural]

I mean, the Travellers do help them out, so it's possible that was the case, rather than out of any allegiance to the Atlas

[small pier]

I wasn't sure where exactly to post this. Either here or nms-the-future but what do you think the next update will be about? I'm thinking a Freighters update personally.

[grim peak]

If it's just speculation, #nms-the-future would work

[small pier]

Thanks LJ

[gaunt kettle]

Can someone send me that 16 minute poem that explains the degradation of the Atlas during the final 16 minutes of its life?

It's like a poem or a short story or something

[gaunt kettle]

Found it

It was the rouge data

[ionic mica]

does the choice matter here

are you ready to end the loop?
1.ask what it means
2.say you are ready
3.say you are not ready
4.flee

[muted moth]

you need to do what you think you would do. or should do. or feel.

you won't lock yourself out of the way to complete the expedition.

[slate cloak]

Not a bad thought

[stoic mural]

Yes in some, no in others

[digital marsh]

Does choosing to birth a new star at the end of the atlas path give you anything?

[young slate]

yes

[digital marsh]

what does it give

[young slate]

do it and find out 😛

[digital marsh]

bro just tell me

[young slate]

if you really wanna spoil it, then use the wiki, but I prefer to let peeps find stuff in-game first

[digital marsh]

I guess. thanks though

[heady wyvern]

@tall valve Ask here

[tall valve]

anyways, whats the best option in the ending?

[heady wyvern]

Depends

Are you satisfied with the Euclid Galaxy?

[thorny rover]

Well, you refuse and you go back to that same galaxy

You reset and it brings you in another galaxy

[tall valve]

with all of my progress gone?

[thorny rover]

In the process it destroys ALL of your tech in the general tab

[heady wyvern]

Ultimately subjective thing

[thorny rover]

No

[tall valve]

damn

is there an ending where I get a reward?

[thorny rover]

In both you get a reward

The same reward

[tall valve]

what did u pick?

[thorny rover]

A new blueprint for a tech

The rememberence

[thorny rover]

I refused

[tall valve]

so refusing meaning I dont go to other galaxy

[thorny rover]

Yes

[tall valve]

and if I reset the simulation its gonna kick me out of this galaxy and I start a new base and stuff?

[thorny rover]

But you can go to another galaxies in other ways

[thorny rover]

No, you just get put in another one, you can return to Euclid and go between them anytime

[tall valve]

oh okay

[chilly wing]

Hello everyone.

[muted moth]

hey

so anyone who doesn't want the end of expd 7 spoiled, look away for while

so the reason it says you died

is because you DID

that was the only way for you to break the loop

if you had chosen the answer "what do you mean, break the loop", the entity would have told you that since the loop began with its death at your hands it's only fitting that the roles should be reversed to exit the loop

so submit meant accepting your death willingly (in spite of the known risk and etc that you would have already seen up to that point)

because there was literally no other option

it's not like there was any other choice

you could flee

and then the milestone would sit there laughing at you

and you would have to pick up the instrument and call the entity back again

so

one option

you take it

you hope

what else could you have done, really?

[chilly wing]

Yes... And luckily due to my game play, (not wanting to read all the text) I just usually chose the 1st option.

When it fails, during normal play, I just reload and choose the next one.

[muted moth]

😄

well this here had a narrative to it if you read the memory imprints

[chilly wing]

But I promise, if it wasn't for your insistence and optimism yesterday, well really, ever since you urged me to even do the expedition.
I wouldn't have at all. If you recall, I wasn't going to do it.

[muted moth]

well I uh... feel weird about being responsible for you doing it (although I will accept partial responsiblity for encouragement). but I am very glad you got through to the end!

[chilly wing]

At first I was really following the lore. But I think when I died the time I had just made it to AP4... It made me just ignore everything and just try to get through it.

[muted moth]

by then you knew the main outlines though

the story of a Traveller so obessed with the idea of this otherworldly entity that they would do anything to possess it, up to and including... slaughter it unmercifully (shudder)

which started the whole loop in the first place

and the graves that you visit, all yours from previous iterations of course...

why do they move each time through?

because you had already been through this loop MANY MANY TIMES

so many that the echoes from other iterations were reaching you (as evidenced from one of the gravesite messages)

so each time through you just viisted others of your graves...

[chilly wing]

Ahhhh.. That's pretty deep.

[muted moth]

and in the end obession.. saved you? possessed you surely, just like the literary character this all references, heh

anyways that's the story, don't forget to post that screenshot later, AND COLLECT THE REWARDS and save your game

and uh

have a great holiday!

[chilly wing]

Oh, I will for sure.
And thank you again!!!

[digital marsh]

just birthed a new star, feeling great

[muted moth]

nice!

[brazen jungle]

so will seeking the final interface reset my freighters,fleets and starships?

in general my inventories and stuff

seek the final interface,complete atlas path or explore galaxy hmm

[frank schooner]

Completing atlas path does nothing to your save

[rancid ether]

you can also complete the atlas path after seeking the final inerface, if you choose to

the game just asks because you can kind of kill two birds with one stone

the atlas path requires warps, so does The Purge

[frank schooner]

Yep

[brazen jungle]

so

seek final interface then

[frank schooner]

Do what you want

In short

Completion of quests will not alter your items/ships

[brazen jungle]

well i do think deleting atlas once and for all will be a good thing

and hey as long as it doesnt affect my stuff

then good

[frank schooner]

Yeah

[brazen jungle]

time to seek the final interface

[frank schooner]

Nice

Glhf!!

[potent bloom]

I have bad news for you

It will always come back

[fervent cobalt]

Did you know, that if you Core Jump while doing the purge, it resets, so you could technically never finish it

[true bobcat]

About how long does it take to finish the Artemia quest?

I was 8 hours in when I decided not to do it anymore and went on my own went a lot further then following the quest, but I kinda wanna finish it now

Just don’t wanna play another 8 hours to finish it

[young slate]

what quest are ya on?

[true bobcat]

Artemis alone amidst the stars

[wintry ivy]

Does resetting the simulation do anything?

[potent bloom]

Sends you to a new galaxy

[wintry ivy]

That's it?

What if I refuse the atlas?

[potent bloom]

You get to choose the type, so it's a pretty good bonus if you want to go somewhere nice or extra mean

Refuse the atlas and nothing changes

[wintry ivy]

Do you lose anything?

[potent bloom]

Only the chance to get a free trip to another galaxy. Different titles

[wintry ivy]

I tried to exit and it made me refuse 😭

If I go to an atlas interference can I reset the simulation?

[digital marsh]

no

gotta go to the center

think i messed up do i make the save before or after getting in my starship

for living ship

[wintry ivy]

😭

[tulip ledge]

Here are the three new rewards for the community research tiers

[prime inlet]

the orbital one looks great

want to get that one for sure

[muted moth]

I'll get all of them (builder, so..)

[silver sluice]

Does anyone have a good lore video?

[mental socket]

https://youtu.be/5gZ0peMSZgo

Well here's one that talks about some interesting story which isn't available for play anymore.

[silver sluice]

What is (the) Atlas exactly

[grim peak]

A computer from what I can tell.

[silver sluice]

I mean what is its role in the nms universe

[grim peak]

It runs the universe.

The nms universe is a simulation.

[muted moth]

it creates the galaxy(ies) over and over as a simulation for the traveller to explore, and to try to understand the sources of conflict between the three factions

which conflct always comes to exist and leads to mass destruction one way or another.

[silver sluice]

Im sorry WHAT THE FUCK

[muted moth]

I mean you are in the spoiler channel

[silver sluice]

Ye but still mind blowing

[muted moth]

this game is not shy about going for the existential dread lore, that's for sure

[silver sluice]

Lol

[viral wedge]

Just crossed my first portal in the story.

This stuff is good.

[fervent cobalt]

I'm at the part where I find the Fallen Host for a living ship, is this where I could go to some other location to get a different ship?

[eternal radish]

So yesterday I was doing the Artemis quest again on my now former expedition save. When I told Nada that Artemis didn't remember them Nada told me that this Artemis could be another iteration of Artemis or a fraud...

Never noticed that dialogue before but it corresponds to what I already suspected.

[mental socket]

The scientists who worked here seem to have been comparing the transmissions associated with the Atlas to strange signals found within the water.

Before they went missing, the workers concluded that this “abyss” seemed to hold a similar yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe…

I examine the records relating to the abyss. They show a repeating pattern of sixteen energy bursts, music that emerges from beneath the waves.

Contact appears to alter individual personality and objectives, changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power.```

First ever appearance of the Abyss back in 2017 with Atlas Rises.

The last bit is quite intriguing. Especially when we take it in count with the latest Outlaws lore and NPCs suddenly starting to listen a "Voice of freedom", ripping the station cores and all.

Also... music that emerges from beneath the waves... Latest Leviathan expedition and Leviathans itself. It's physique is very similar to the stuff on infested planets. Does Leviathan also come from the Void?

They've been building up Abyss for a good 5 years now. When is it time for a direct confrontation.

Also back in 2020 weekend lore the Korvax were trying to literally simulate Abyss, only to make it more "aggressive?"

They tried to simulate the Abyss. They succeeded only in gaining its attention.
It will take much to heal this void. Without sustenance, it will devour system upon system...```

After a few calm years of hibernation the Abyss seems to get bolder all of a sudden by allowing even larger beings to seep into our dimension and presumably even creating an entire pirate faction the salvage station cores.

Also this... is this foreshadowing of the original loop(not the leviathan one) repeating again?

What worlds are there to save? Will darker times befall upon us if the Abyss is now getting very active again?

[flat osprey]

I think that the leviathan has been created by the korvax like they created the living ships, after all they have a similar design and the leviathan is described as a living frigate

[mental socket]

Could be. Korvax themselves investigated the Abyss before, attracted its attention and even simulated it fairly recently.

[flat osprey]

I also have a theory about the abyss, maybe it killed the crew of the crashed freighter of the quest "dream of the deep"

[mental socket]

But Scenario 13 dismisses that speculation since time travel can't be achieved by entities simulated by Atlas

The phenomena is typically preceded by electromagnetic distortion consistent with a white hole anomaly. No lasting effects seem to occur.

ANALYSIS: Something or someone is attempting to deceive the Traveller [HOST]. There is no such thing as 'time travel'. Older universes might contain elder beings, but such multiversal transportation, even temporary, is impossible.

Even the Atlas is incapable of rewriting its own causality. It is bound to a purpose, as am I.```

Analysis section

If the Atlas can't simulate time travel. How could Korvax? Leviathan must be an entity originating from the Void itself where such powers can theoretically manifest

Living Ships don't have such power but they use parts from the Void

Could be because Living Ships weren't actually birthed in Void but rather built by Korvax with their research of Abyss/Void?

[flat osprey]

Maybe

This is an interesting theory

[mental socket]

Interesting stuffs. Something very large might be at play here.

the next move Abyss will make is surely going to be something. "Ariadne" has been spying and observing us for two years now

Why hasn't Nada and Polo just kicked them out of the Anomaly yet...

We'll see what happens. I really hope something does

[frank gale]

keep your friends close, but your enemies closer

[eternal radish]

What even is this Ariadne?

And is the real one still out there?

[mental socket]

At a site of Abyssal corruption, the Traveller has a vision. The structure sings with exotic energies. It sees me. It knows my mind. In the song I hear names, distant, faded... I hear the number at the end of all things. I see its whisperer. I see a nameless form banish Ariadne... And I see a duplicate arising from the crash, returning to claim its shape. If this vision is to be believed, then Hesperus is right. Ariadne is an imposter.

So... it's just... an entity from Void?

I dunno really. It's pretty vague

[flat osprey]

Where does this text come from?

[mental socket]

The very last mission of the weekend storyline that ran live in 2020

[flat osprey]

Ok, that was during this corruption quest thing?

[mental socket]

Yup

[flat osprey]

Ok

I should read the article about the lore of this kind of quest

It's seems interesting

[eternal radish]

I wish I didn't miss it 😭😭😭

[mental socket]

It was pretty interesting but the story presentation felt like it deserved more

[grim peak]

Well. I didn't realize that doing a core warp just took you to the next galaxy in the list. Outside of the artemis path, how do I get the option to warp to a specific type of galaxy?

[young slate]

i thought that was the only time tbh

[grim peak]

ah

welp, guess I'm living in the hilbert dimension

[young slate]

you got a base in euclid?

[grim peak]

yeah

this is my expedition save

[young slate]

ah i see

[grim peak]

can I still get to eissentam by completing the artemis path in the hilbert dimension?

[young slate]

id imagine so yea

[knotty mountain]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Boundary_Failure

This is probably the best lore in any game I've ever read

@graceful palm

[graceful palm]

I read it

Damnnn

[knotty mountain]

For real

It's amazing

But yeah that's the telamon story and that's why laylaps calls you telamon not telamon

[uncut harness]

The loop in the exp could be caused by the atlas dying?

Like some programs can get into a loop too

[wild sage]

Ok so stupid question because it's been years since I did a playthrough. When I complete the Atlas storyline do I lose everything I've built?

Like my freighter, my ships, etc?

[young slate]

No, the game is not designed to punish you permanently for doing its quests

[wild sage]

Ok. So resetting and going to the Lush side I won't lose my ships.

[young slate]

No, and you can also travel back and forth easy enough with the teleporters

[wild sage]

Ok, thanks!

[fervent cobalt]

What actually happened to the First Spawn? I know later gek were supposedly changed by the Korvax, but what happened to the OG?

[thorny rover]

Well, killed or fled

[mental socket]

This. Some supporters of First Spawn still exist out there as random NPCs

[eternal radish]

I heard people talking here about a living member of the First Spawn.

[uncut harness]

I've read a log in an abandoned building talking about it

[eternal radish]

Ok

[uncut harness]

He was asking about his korvax slaves

Looks like he just wake up in a New world

[eternal radish]

I wonder what First Spawn Gek look like

[uncut harness]

That fanart in the main Page is a close call

[open mountain]

ok i have to ask. is the red polygon thing SUPPOSED to be giving me Satan vibes? is this really what's happening?

[thorny rover]

You mean Atlas

[open mountain]

yeah sure the greek titan who holds up the planet. let's go with that

they called it the crimson liar.

[thorny rover]

He's just a god

[open mountain]

surely im not tripping

[thorny rover]

Ah, Atlas

[thorny rover]

No you're not

[open mountain]

"a god" i require additional information

[muted moth]

you should assume that none of the names stolen from greek mythology have more than the most tenuous connection, if that, to their original use, heh

[open mountain]

disappointment!

[thorny rover]

Ok, maybe THE god

The one who controls this reality

Or tries to

[open mountain]

as in the Demiurge?

are we doing gnosticism up in here?

[thorny rover]

No no

[muted moth]

nope

[thorny rover]

Its more complicated

[muted moth]

really gotta get some exposure to the game lore

[thorny rover]

I could tell you, but its better for you to discover it

[open mountain]

im not gonna rush through the plot. i only just reached out to artemis

and my expectations for video game writing are not high

nor are they elevated by carelessly flinging greek names everywhere

[eternal radish]

You mean that of Ves?

[eternal radish]

It might surprise you.

[open mountain]

ive been surprised before.

[unreal pecan]

... do you want a bit of a spoiler?

[open mountain]

that's why i came to spoilers

[uncut harness]

Don't remember autor name

[eternal radish]

Maybe I can tag you in one of her posts. One sec

[uncut harness]

Yeah,the one with black and white

I dig it

[thorny rover]

The greek names have a meaning

[open mountain]

lol

i dont believe you. no offense

[thorny rover]

They have

Though its not that major of a connection

Like you know Artemis

He has a "friend" called Apollo

And Apollo tries and teams up with you to help Artemis

Apollo and Artemis are close friends, maybe brothers

But in the lore, all travelers are connected, so they all might brothers

[muted moth]

maybe siblings (gender is indeterminate in the game)

[thorny rover]

Yeah

Like all are non binary

[muted moth]

or gender not even a thing. given the nature of that reality, who knows

[thorny rover]

But some use the he/his she/her pronouns

But that's due to writing

[muted moth]

not one npc does, no. only they, in the english language version

[open mountain]

artemis and apollo being brothers is not the type of nominative meaning i was suggesting lol

that's like naming your character Isaac because he has a dad.

[weary haven]

At the end of the game you save everyone and Zeus brings you to Olympus to have a tea party

[open mountain]

i dont trust gamers sorry. that looks fake.

[weary haven]

Everyone dies and hades brings you to a high tech facility called earth and he gives you what the natives call a phone

[thorny rover]

It is

Want to know the real ending?

[open mountain]

i am in spoilers.

[thorny rover]

Fair enough

Atlas is a computer and the world is a simulation, that will be deactivated in 16 minutes

[open mountain]

damn it really was the gnosticism tho huh

[thorny rover]

And all travelers are made from the brain scan of the creator

[open mountain]

tbh kinda cute

not mad bout it

[thorny rover]

And many realities co exist

But the boundary falls

[open mountain]

yeah id picked that up

[thorny rover]

Which is the lore reason we can see other players

[open mountain]

thats not too bad as far as endings go. well done hello

[thorny rover]

Also there are 2 endings

Atlas asks you to reset the simulation

You can either

1. Do it
2. Refuse

Both have rewards and consequences

[eternal radish]

In the Greek mythology where the names came from Artemis is the Greek goddess of the hunt, childbirth, chastity and the Moon and Apollo is the God of the Sun.

Idk if it's the same with the Artemis and Apollo in NMS but who knows...

[open mountain]

im v happy with how nms handles it. wont hear me complain

[eternal radish]

Ok 🙃

[muted moth]

no I don't think there's much connection but the most tenuous between the entities of myth and the npcs in nms

i.e. in greek myth there is a strong connection between the two (familial bond), in nms there is a strong connection of some sort, I would infer a different sort but the game leaves it deliberately vague

and in a game where all of the travellers are other iterations of ourselves most likely, it's hard to make much sense out of any of it if we look too closely 😄

[eternal radish]

I know

[muted moth]

in the same way one can talk about Atlas whose burden it is to carry the world, and the role of the Atlas in NMS and see that they are not entirely dissimilar concepts, but certainly not a transfer of one idea to the other realm

one could even consider that this is the best knowledge the Atlas has of those old stories (ouch!) after however long downstream/sideways to reach the time in which the game is set, from our time (if time has meaning, blah blah)

[pulsar dust]

from what I understand, the travelers are all entities created by the atlas based on its creator, so they kind of both are and aren't other versions of you

the ones on space stations and stuff are already dead when you interact with them, but they appear differently to the currently living ones on the anomaly

[flat osprey]

And the player is also the last traveller, so maybe each universe has their own unique last traveller

It's seems to be the case

[brisk token]

Hey people i need help

I am with the atlas and i dont know if i should accept his offer and join him or not

[pulsar dust]

||it ultimately won't make a difference, so choose what feels right||

[night scroll]

Do we have any info on the next update/expedition? Like the release date or what is it about?

[icy citrus]

No

[night scroll]

🥲

[flat osprey]

Just some speculation about the release date that could be around july 10

[icy citrus]

Sunday?

Lol

[flat osprey]

And a player datamined a new deep ocean biome so we could have an exploration focused update, or a freighter focused update according to the datamining of some freighter base part

[icy citrus]

The water biome isn't new

Been there, unused

Freighter stuff is likely though

[flat osprey]

I said around because it could be july 13,16 or not

[icy citrus]

Never know, will be fun whenever

[flat osprey]

Maybe it will be a combat focused update

Imagine a combat update around freighter

[icy citrus]

Water overhaul would be more interesting for me, but why not both?

Would love a massive update

But, everything is icing on the cake for me - so I'll enjoy whatever

[flat osprey]

I would love a combat/freighter update because we could have so much more epic fleet battle

Or a settlement update

I think it could be a big update because this could the 4.0 version

And it could be released for the 6th anniversary

[analog breach]

I will enjoy whatever but if i could chose what i want in next update, it would be deeper water biome and water look update with waterfalls and rivers, UI update in discoveries like portal address beside discovered planets, new building features like marking multiple parts to move/copy/delete them and undo/redo button.

[muted moth]

wow I was wishing for that undo redo button just yesterday, no joke

I mean it was only a play build for testing, but still

[acoustic void]

I was thinking about an update like that yesterday, coz it would be cool if your freighter did something apart from fleets and lets be real no one warps with it

[eternal radish]

I saw on a Reddit post that Hesperus and Gemini were missing for some time two years ago right after that weekend missing thingie with Ariadne.

Are they imposters too? 👀

[stoic mural]

They probably just went on a date

Thoughts on what the Overseer actually is? The botanist suggests they're not actually Gek at all

[young slate]

somebody who I have not brought to any of my later bases 😛

[rare compass]

What does the star seed do after you get it

[young slate]

33% core health and allows you to see Black Holes on the galaxy map iirc

[rare compass]

All those atlas missions for a little more core health😑

[uncut harness]

It would be nice if your fleet missions made discoveries for you when you send them on missions, that you can then upload!

[open mountain]

i just want to paint my ship

[flat osprey]

Imagine a special kind of frigate expedition where you can accompany the frigate, and according to the type of the expedition, you must either scan things, mine ressources or fight pirates or sentinels

[open mountain]

imagine this but also you can paint your ship

[young slate]

I need this lol

[young slate]

I'm thinking that the devs won't ever add visual ship customization, bc the community built around hunting them is so important

[flat osprey]

Me too, because this is cool to earn money, but i think that a good gameplay should make you earn money and have fun

[open mountain]

seems like bullshit to me tbh. people always get defensive about bizarre hardships they got attached to because they cant handle the idea of others having a better time then them. same thing happened to WoW.

also, makes no sense to me. it isnt as if ship hunting will go away just because i can now paint my ship.

i can just now personalize the ship i had to spend 9999+ hours hunting in a game im supposed to be having fun playing.

[young slate]

Well at first I think it was too difficult to alter the code for ships

[open mountain]

yeah so much harder than editing the code for the travellers or the base parts come off it

i had to reprogram the entire first hour of the game im making because some of my ideas were trash.

im not sympathetic to the idea that the ability to recolor ships would be too difficult to implement. that just sounds ridiculous

they should hide all the colors and customizations across the galaxy, that way we can have Traveller Hunters too. that'll really help the community /s

id prefer it if i had to find my name buried inside a planet in the corner of the universe, rather than getting to name myself

i think players should have to roll dice to even open NMS now that i think about it. RNG is such a good mechanic, why not just force all players to engage with it as often as possible?

[young slate]

Oook then

Personally I like the ship-hunting aspects, it adds a new layer of progression

Cause if somebody has a ship they really like the look of, chances are that work was put into obtaining it

[open mountain]

idk why youre acting like the ability to paint your ship is mutually exclusive with hunting ships

also it makes no diagetic sense.

this whole universe of techs, machinists, and traders, and not ONE person has figured out how to paint spaceships or even build them?

WHAT

even GTA lets you personalize your rides and doesnt just force you to wander Los Santos looking for a Green version. . .

also, it costs WAYYYY more to upgrade a ship than to go find a new one. this ALREADY does the job of encouraging ship hunting.

[muted moth]

at a certain point units are easy and so are nanites. upgrading ships is something plenty of us do

[open mountain]

sure. doesnt change the fact that nms doesnt have ships with color designs i like. itd sure be nice to be able to do a very basic thing that would make intuitive sense to appear in a game like this

[muted moth]

if there are designs or colors missing, that seems like a fine thing to request as a feature

[open mountain]

"missing"

what's missing is my involvement in the aesthetic of the ship im flying

it's especially strange because we can buy new booster colors from the qs store

so it's obviously not something that's totally beyond them

[muted moth]

ship trails have other qualities than the color, they add to certain stats. very small amounts but nonetheless

[open mountain]

ok so im asking for a feature with less gameplay impact than the trails then, but which would attract players far more reliably than the ship-hunting bullshit everyone is FORCED INTO WHETHER THEY ENJOY IT OR NOT

like even gta has the sense to let people order the vehicles they actually like, and im only asking for the ability to paint my ship. not even calling a specific model and rank to a port or something

[unreal pecan]

yeah

[open mountain]

shit, add an "unmodified" tag so people who love ship hunting can have a cool bling to rep how they dont paint or mod their ships or something.

i dont want ship hunters not to have fun, i just also want to have fun

[mental socket]

Dialogue with Iteration Mercury on 31 July 2020

-{{ The result of a fellow Traveller's ambition exceeding their grasp. Hesperus was working with the Korvax to try to simulate the Abyss itself. It came for them instead. }}-
-{{ If Hesperus returns to us, do you believe we can still trust them? They have much to answer for. }}-```

Hesperus assisted Korvax in their attempt to simulate the Abyss

Of course Hesperus wasn't a traitor. They didn't know it all could go so wrong and had figured out someone in the Anomaly was the traitor

Dialogue with Hesperus:

-{{ Someone among us is a traitor... someone led the Abyss to us! }}-
-{{ Do you not see? The knowledge stones are being hijacked! }}-
-{{ Whoever is behind this betrayal wants us to go through the portals. They want us to feed the anomalies. }}-
-{{ Step through the breach once more, kindred. I will try to free us from this terrible loop... }}-```

[granite night]

@young slate @daring bronze That is, the player goes all the way in 16 minutes?

[young slate]

from our perspective within the simulation, we have no idea how much time we have

[daring bronze]

@granite night no, it's just plot. The game never ends

[young slate]

The atlas is spending the last 16 minutes it has running the simulation for us to experience

[granite night]

Philosophical game 🙂

[young slate]

mhmm

[granite night]

Thanks for the explanation

🫂

[young slate]

np!

[eternal radish]

Hmmmm Artemis must have fallen victim to this.

[stoic mural]

10 minutes

Well, less than 10 minutes, more than 5

10 minutes is when the travellers all face the abyss, and 5 is when the Atlas' core systems start failing

[stoic mural]

Since the scientist deleted the 'bug', does that mean that they effectively killed the entity we were helping/interacting with?

[eternal radish]

I wonder what will happen after the 16 minutes are over. Someone will return for the Atlas. I got that from the rogue data.

[stoic mural]

The end.

[eternal radish]

Or a new beginning?

[mental socket]

Hmm... I don't think Artemis ever knew about the Abyss. They died long before it manifested

[stoic mural]

If it's worth anything, the data also states ||the Atlas cannot see past its own death, which is probably not|| good news.

[eternal radish]

A voice let them to a portal

[mental socket]

Wasn't that Telamon or the Atlas tho?

[eternal radish]

Artemis

Really

[mental socket]

I meant the voice

Telamon/suit speaking to them

[eternal radish]

"A voice"

[eternal radish]

I wonder who that person is who finds the Atlas in the final minute and stays with it until the end and why they got there.

[stoic mural]

The way it's shown might suggest it's more mystical

[eternal radish]

How do you mean?

[stoic mural]

someone you hold close that comes to you at the time of your death?

Possibly illusory, possibly real

[eternal radish]

Oh

[stoic mural]

Of course it's in the atlas' head orb, but why on earth does that mean it isn't real?

[eternal radish]

So the Atlas can imagine stuff? Oh wait. Yes. Off course it can or else the entire NMS verse wouldn't exist lol

[stoic mural]

It dreamt for millennia, crafting infinitely more vast universes than what we have now

[eternal radish]

Maybe the Atlas can only see the future until a brief time in the future.

[stoic mural]

The atlas can see the future by predicting it, but it would not be able to predict outside context issues, or events it has no data for, like its own death

Luckily, the inside of the universe is entirely inside the atlas, so outside context is rare

The closest might be the sentinels going rogue

[eternal radish]

The fourth part seems awfully similar to what happened to Artemis. That they might not have known it was the Abyss doesn't mean it wasn't the Abyss. Maybe it wasn't as strong as nowadays but it could still have been there.

[mental socket]

hmmm

true

[eternal radish]

Maybe Artemis was one of their first victims.

Then, much later, Ariadne

[stoic mural]

What is the Abyss?

[eternal radish]

I feel bad for both of them 😅

[stoic mural]

Or is that the rogue atlas the sentinels are trying to create?

[eternal radish]

From my understanding it's a protocol which somehow exists outside of the Atlas.

[eternal radish]

Sentinels are trying to escape to it.

[stoic mural]

Ah, it is

[stoic mural]

I had a look at some of the information available, and it seems to be a rogue program within the Atlas. Like the sentinels, or telamon

You could argue that with the simulation breakdown, the atlas no longer has the computational resources for keeping oversight of the various programs (and you could argue that they are accelerating the breakdown)

[eternal radish]

It has never been stated clearly in the game itself what the Abyss exactly is. Thanks

I just kinda hope a miracle happens and the NMS verse never ends.

[mental socket]

It was somewhat hinted at back in 2017 with some additional abandoned building logs

The scientists who worked here seem to have been comparing the transmissions associated with the Atlas to strange signals found within the water.

Before they went missing, the workers concluded that this “abyss” seemed to hold a similar yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe…

I examine the records relating to the abyss. They show a repeating pattern of sixteen energy bursts, music that emerges from beneath the waves.

Contact appears to alter individual personality and objectives, changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power.```

"A similar, yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe..."

[eternal radish]

Hmmm did Nada hear it?

Since they no longer worship the Atlas?

And Polo maybe too?

[mental socket]

I don't recall Nada or Polo ever mentioning the Abyss... Will need to look into it

might be wrong

[eternal radish]

It is unknown what caused their "awakening".

Why they went against what their races do

It could have been the Abyss

[stoic mural]

The sentinels don't know, so I doubt it

[mental socket]

Korvax have been aware of the Abyss ever since 2017. Investigating, simulating and even angering it

[eternal radish]

How do we know what Sentinels know? They can't talk and no one has ever been able to interview one.

[uncut harness]

If switch version doesn't have multiplayer,could mean that its placed a previus universe?

[stoic mural]

Sentinel pillar logs

[uncut harness]

Where the boundaries didn't fall yet

[stoic mural]

They, too, keep a diary

[eternal radish]

That's the voice of the Hive but does that mean individual drones are self aware?

[stoic mural]

Probably, yes. Consider that one drone

According to them, the Sentinels first started failing when they were no longer Aeron, but took bodies

[eternal radish]

Laylaps, but Laylaps has been tampered with.

[stoic mural]

also true

[thorny rover]

I hope it has

[eternal radish]

Or are those Sentinel drones, quads, walkers and mechs just like the limbs of a bigger entity (the Hive) and they don't have their own consciousness?

[mental socket]

interesting stuff but Korvax seem to refer to their planet as a "Void Mother"

Korvax Prime was alive and all

[eternal radish]

Huh? Where? When?

[mental socket]

the new archive logs

[eternal radish]

It must have been a very interesting planet.

[stoic mural]

No, the previous universes just existed at a time when the Atlas was not so degraded. If they existed now, they would still be multiplayer, because the Atlas' systems are failing, and thus unable to keep the boundraies intact

[mental socket]

also this.... from Sentinel Pillars

The First Spawn of the Gek melted Korvax Prime for metal and profit. The planet did not protest. It did not cry. It did not make a noise at all, at least not that they could hear. The First Spawn took and took, until there was nothing left in the sky. Until there was nothing left but an abyss.

[eternal radish]

Fucking Gek. I knew it 🤣🤣🤣 jk

[mental socket]

Make profit. Enjoy trade scent

[eternal radish]

New ones have been added recently?

[stoic mural]

Question is, who did they trade with?

[eternal radish]

I never found those in my times visiting the Sentinel pillars

[mental socket]

Greg wrote some with Sentinel update I think

think I saw him mentioning it on Twitter

[eternal radish]

I was always shown the same few logs. None of what you mentioned.

[uncut harness]

Yes,its the thing i was talking about

[mental socket]

Also very interesting stuff from sentinel pillar lore. the Abyss talked to Laylaps

Before the Traveller found me, I heard a voice in the darkness. She gave me a name. Laylaps. An old name. She said it would be known to the Traveller. She told me I had suffered much, and would suffer more. “Little drone, whose end was so like my own." Thus did the abyss whisper.
18th Encounter
The abyss told me of a chance for salvation, even in the depths of horror and of love. It told me of a way we might survive the end of all things. It told me I had to talk to you. To both of you: the Traveller, and their voice within...```

[young slate]

@mental socket hang on, that banner you have there.....

squints

[mental socket]

Abyss told Laylaps to talk with the Traveller and their suit/Telamon

[eternal radish]

She?

The Abyss is female?

[mental socket]

Mystery

[stoic mural]

Apparently so

[mental socket]

I don't really like to imagine it with a gender

[stoic mural]

But it does tie in with Kovax prime

[mental socket]

Since there isn't even a physical form to imagine for it. As of now Abyss is just... a formless entity

[stoic mural]

Or at least, the remnants of it

[eternal radish]

Maybe a non-binary entity who uses she/her pronouns lol. But that's another story.

[mental socket]

I suspect the Voice of Freedom to be Abyss itself

[uncut harness]

Oh no

[stoic mural]

Why would it cause concern amongst the sentinels, then?

[mental socket]

Since it's described to be able to change individuals personality and objectives

[uncut harness]

You know,i was thinking that too

[mental socket]

Suddenly a lot of NPCs of all races denying Atlas

[eternal radish]

Interesting. Because everything is genderneutal in NMS and they/them pronouns are the default. Yet words as mother, brother amd daugher (was in the name of a crashed freighter which I found) are used.

[mental socket]

And what makes them salvage Station Cores? Station Cores that are somehow linked to the World of Glass

[stoic mural]

Well, we know that the first spawn was altered by the Korvax contaminating their birthing pools with nanites

[mental socket]

What is Abyss planning

[stoic mural]

That's probably to disable the aeron/sentinel uplink, but keep the other station functions intact

(or they've resurrected it, and its display reads glass over and over, like the knackered sentinel)

[uncut harness]

Getting out of the sim

[mental socket]

or perhaps into our dimension. Not sure if Abyss even cares for stuff outside the Atlas

[eternal radish]

Or tampered with it.

[mental socket]

It's interesting how all these years it/she has been trying to infest and seep into our reality/dimension

What for

[eternal radish]

Oh god lol. As if the 2020's aren't wild enough alresdy.

[mental socket]

What's so special about our iteration for Abyss?

[stoic mural]

Nothing. It's that we're the traveller, I think, not so much this particular iteration

[uncut harness]

Maybe the abyss knows that the atlas is dying and wants to get out

[stoic mural]

That's basically what the sentinels seem to be trying to do

[young slate]

not THE traveller tho right? aint we also special as an anomaly?

[stoic mural]

we're one of them, or a shattered fragment of them

[young slate]

hm

[stoic mural]

Or the abyss. They're trying to get out/'punish' the creators for putting them inside of the dying atlas

[mental socket]

Telamon and Laylaps are together again like they intended. And Abyss wanted Laylaps to get with Traveler and Telamon

So... what's the next step

[eternal radish]

"ANOMALY DETECTED. DESIGNATION: TRAVELLER". Artemis heard this too. Trust me I recently replayed it.

[stoic mural]

Well, is that the original laylaps, or a false laylaps?

[stoic mural]

It is possible that the travller is anomalous because they're not one of the aliens the atlas has created, but a pre-planned template it tries to load in

[mental socket]

It's another iteration of Laylaps but it's still them regardless. Even though it's not the "original" one

kinda similar how we travelers aren't really the original one despite being it

[eternal radish]

But that what I just wrote indicates all Travellers are Anomalies.

[stoic mural]

oh, I thought you meant that Artemis heard it through our end lol

[eternal radish]

We don't belong to the Gek, Korvax or Vy'Keen and we look like literally everything. From casual spaceman to Grey type alien to alien cat thingie.

[stoic mural]

That's a skin, though

[eternal radish]

No they heard it too.

[mental socket]

it is aware of us dying before in World of Glass

[stoic mural]

the aliens recognise us as a traveller despite our appearance, which is... interesting

[eternal radish]

Maybe we give off "certain vibes".

[stoic mural]

Things coming back from the world of glass never seem to be quite right

Neither the Overseer, nor Laylaps are quite what they seem to be

Maybe the weakening of the dimensional boundaries at 10 minutes to midnight also applies to the deletion buffer/world of glass

[eternal radish]

We have died "once" because other Traveller iterations, who are technically aspects of us have died before we spawned in.

That's how I interpret it.

[stoic mural]

It could also be referring to a different we :p

Royal 'we', or since it's still part-sentinel, it might also be referring to the sentinels/abyss when it says we

We know that the Sentinels/abyss are trying hard to save/archive worlds, and prevent their ultimate death with the demise of the Atlas

[eternal radish]

Ooh

[mental socket]

Well in that context Laylaps was talking to our suit/Telamon I think

[stoic mural]

I don't believe telamon has 'died' yet, though

and the sentinels themselves aren't particularly fond of telamon, since they locked telamon out of their logs

Presumably telamon is supposed to be their audit/oversight program, or one of them

[uncut harness]

Hehehe "NULL"

[eternal radish]

You still remember that lightbulb fella?

That's our failure

[uncut harness]

Of course

I Wonder if he has anything to do with the abyss

[stoic mural]

Turns out the abyss is just behind everything 😛

Null, Abyss. Overseer, abyss. Atlas, Abyss. Telamon, Abyss. Traveller, Abyss.

[uncut harness]

And the abyss is a rogue program

?

Or just appear,like mushrooms after the Rain?

NMS 4.0: Waking Abyss

[stoic mural]

It seems to be rogue, either from something created in the atlas, or something else

[uncut harness]

Like the Agent Smith in Matrix

[slate cloak]

Hey after 16/16 what is the sequence thing it keeps doing

[young slate]

you're getting portal glyphs iirc

[slate cloak]

Ahhh ok

Thank you

[open mountain]

the abyss is actually good. fear not the dark my friends, and let the feast begin!

[stoic mural]

Actually, yes

Sentinels are basically agent smith

they started off as part of the system, and then broke off from it

[open mountain]

your pfp pleases me

[stoic mural]

:D

[flat osprey]

I finished reading the week-end mission lore, this was really interesting

[stoic mural]

The weekend missions have lore? o:

[eternal radish]

A few years ago there were a series of weekend missions that did have lore

[uncut harness]

scrap wrong channel

I thought I clicked starships

[flat osprey]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Weekend_Missions_-_Lore#:~:text=Weekend Missions are a weekly,how the universe changed recently.

[stoic mural]

oh, that's quite a lore dump o:

Possibly not something to read in the middle of the night, but neat nonetheless

Also, as a thought, the Lore behind the game has become surprisingly dark/horror-themed

It used to be that the game was about roaming around an infinite universe, talking with aliens, and having a fun old jaunt exploring

Now it's more horrors lurk in the dark, existence is unravelling, and the ever-hungry abyss awaits

.. Wonder if that means that we're going to get 16 updates, for the end of days

[radiant crescent]

Does Artemis actually die?

@young slate

[young slate]

it depends on stuff, keep playing the main story

[radiant crescent]

oh lol, I didn't know that was even a possibility lol my bad. I see why u wanted it marked as spoiled

[young slate]

mhmm

[flat osprey]

I find it a little lovecraftian by the way

Because we now have god like entities we can't fully fathom

Especially the abyss who live in the ocean (maybe) and can control peoples, a little like cthulu in my opinion

[open mountain]

oop cthulhu's not really much of a controller

there are no explicit examples of cthulhu doing anything like this across his iterations in Lovecraft's original works.

if anything, you might be referring to mind flayers, who sometimes do similar and have a similar face.

or you might be referring to cthulhu as it appears in the various pop cultural incarnations that have manhandled him since his invention by an insane xenophobe almost a hundred years ago.

or even the Spiral of Ito's Uzumaki.

this isnt to say youre wrong for seeing cthulhu in nms. just that i dont really see cthulhu the way you do, i think.

i myself see Hastur in Resident Evil 7, so i get it

[flat osprey]

When i was talking about the mind control aspect, i mostly wanted to highlight the fact that both of them can alter people's mind

[open mountain]

shrug

i always interpreted Cthulhu's maddening effects as a human frailty, not some kind of cthulhu magic

[flat osprey]

Same

[open mountain]

cool.

sorry i literally am a lovecraft pagan haha

i think i got my hackles up

[flat osprey]

In my opinion, the main common points between cthulhu and the abyss is the fact that they are mysterious and unfathomable entites linked to the ocean

I agree that the mind alteration aspect is less similar

[viral wedge]

So I guess I beat the game? I chose ||Not to Reset||

[stoic mural]

One interpretation I saw was that the person was perfectly sane, but it's just what they describe is so outlandish they seem insane.

It's like a conspiracy theorist being completely right on the money

[open mountain]

not bad at all! kinda reminds me of Fire In The Sjy!

[open mountain]

you mean Dib Membrane?

[stoic mural]

No idea who that is

[uncut harness]

For the wiki editors out there and anyone who might care;

The Atlas language has || 222 || total words, the last one learned being || witness ||.

Trying to learn a word after that it just says:
Atlas communications fully mapped.

Total languages word count is || 2,576 || words!

[charred shale]

222 has been a number that has always stood out in my life and idk why

[flat osprey]

222 is the 16 of your life

[charred shale]

my grandmas house number is 1222 but the 1 fell off years ago for example

[charred shale]

yeah something like that

any time I see it im like: gasp "its the number..."

[flat osprey]

So you now have (spoilers) ||222 to live||

[charred shale]

I was actually diagnosed with cancer on 12/22/2020 😬

[flat osprey]

Crap

Are you ok now?

[charred shale]

I had surgery and I'm good now. Those 2s though 😶

[flat osprey]

Ok

I don't know why but sometimes my jokes come true

This is just another example here

[unreal pecan]

when 2020 started, I had a theory that the more 2s there are in a date, the worse the date will be

was kind of a joke that in 22/02/2022 something awful would happen

[young slate]

well at least that date is impossible lol

[unreal pecan]

oops I made it wrong lol

[young slate]

oh noes lol

[unreal pecan]

at least basically nothing happened

[stoic mural]

Watch out for december o:

[uncut harness]

You live in a sim

[unreal pecan]

lets watch out for december

[eternal radish]

16 - > 1 + 6 = 7. Hmmm does that mean that 7 is somehow also important in NMS? 🤔

[thorny rover]

No

Because 1 + 6 = 16 obviously

[eternal radish]

Since we are between the 10th and 5th minute before the Atlas will fail could it be we are in the 7th minute.

[eternal radish]

Is this sarcasm?

[thorny rover]

NoYes

[uncut harness]

Yesn't

[uncut harness]

How do you know that?

[young slate]

well yes, but actually no

[eternal radish]

Well I don't know but what if?

[uncut harness]

The Day that the 16 message change to 15,the whole community will colapse

[eternal radish]

Are you guys just playing with me?

[unreal pecan]

I hope they make this a thing some day

[uncut harness]

Not me,why

[viral wedge]

Sixteen Candles: ATLAS Edition.

[eternal radish]

Number 15

Burger King.... Ok I stop there lol.

[uncut harness]

Anomaly foot lettuce

[eternal radish]

*Anomalous. Even better lol.

[unreal pecan]

anomalous foot lettuce

[uncut harness]

mmmmm

[wet root]

Number 15

[uncut harness]

What if the Atlas is just an old Apple 2 PC forgotten inside a room in an abandoned house?

The creator just left it there,died and the house is getting burned

That's why the creator doesn't come back and why the sim is decaying

[flat osprey]

[uncut harness]

@lofty meteor actually you're right,

Nada says she build another ship anyways

And its happy

[lofty meteor]

Wait

[uncut harness]

So no regrets lol

[lofty meteor]

I see

[flat osprey]

What are you talking about?

[uncut harness]

The Artemis path

Did you complete it?

[steel night]

My mate is willingly avoiding do that campaign. He just started the game

[flat osprey]

Yes, but i don't remember anything about this another ship

[stoic mural]

It's asking a bit much to have an Apple ][ simulate infinite universes for millennia

[uncut harness]

Millenia inside the sim

We don't know how much time has passed in the outside world

Also could be a heavily modified PC

Something that just the creator can made

Maybe its like the DR Zola in Winter Soldier

[stoic mural]

The Atlas dreamt for millennia, and it's conscious enough to request a brain scan. Also a bit beyond an Apple []

[uncut harness]

With monochrome screen and a camera

Ok,maybe it has the "style" of an old pc,like apple

[stoic mural]

That's just a man

[uncut harness]

One of the Creator logs talks about how he touch the screen and the camera of the Atlas turned to him

The moment when the Atlas wake up

[uncut harness]

And in that scene he appears as an concience in an old pc with a camera

[stoic mural]

Which would make it a touchscreen device

It probably shares the same interface as most of the similar entities in the games, like the boundary failures, the sentinel pillars, or the lost log terminals

[uncut harness]

Mm

I imagine it as retro tech,cuz everything in game has that retro scifi style

Maybe the creator liked the 50' scifi

And customized the Atlas machine look

[flat osprey]

Plot twist: the atlas is an ENIAC

[eternal radish]

What if the simulation is run on Windows 98?

[nova birch]

so are abandoned systems just blue screen of death situation that the techs haven't got back to yet

[uncut harness]

So at the end of 16 minutes,we will hear the Windows shutdown song very loud

[uncut harness]

What is that?

[flat osprey]

It seems to be the first computer

[uncut harness]

Oh

[uncut harness]

That would explain the bugs

And why was replaced

[eternal radish]

Mystery solved

[viral wedge]

Worse, Windows ME.

[stoic mural]

I mean, the bugs are because the simulation is degrading, isn't it?

It's also why there's about 3 intended sapient species left now

Not the infinity there used to be

(there's arguably more, since you now have the sentinels, and the starforms/leviathans, but I doubt they were around when that piece of lore was written)

[stoic mural]

also, I like how the game being the simulation/atlas breaking down makes it hard to tell which things are bugs, and which is intentional behaviour

[iron wolf]

how did korvax prime become the abyss/the void? I know the gek mined it into oblivion but what caused it to become the abyss?

i've kinda just assumed it was because when the convergence was disconnected it kind of transformed into this more sentient/organic AI thing that becomes the abyss but i feel like im missing some lore

[stoic mural]

Unknown, and it's not really confirmed it is, but it is hinted

Presumably, after Korvax prime 'died', it was archived into the world of glass by the Aeron. Because of its similarities to the Atlas itself, it was able to retain itself (mostly), and went from there

It's not implausible that the glass, or its death caused it to be corrupted in some way

We know that most beings who go to the realm of glass don't come back quite the same

The Overseer does not, Laylaps does not, etc

Even though they seem alive, all they see is glass

[uncut harness]

The multiplayer is the most clear example

It wasn't supposed to happen

[eternal radish]

It’s strange how in the story we aren’t able to physically meet other Travellers (remember that part with Apollo and how all Traveller npc’s appear as holograms) yet there is multiplayer. Lorewise, how can one explain why we cannot physically meet Apollo and other npc Travellers but we can meet other player Travellers?

Logically if there is multiplayer we should be able to fully interact with the npc Travellers too.

[uncut harness]

I really wanted to meet Apollo in the core ;_;

[full vapor]

Perhaps the player travelers are different because they are stronger entities, or more prevalent than ai ones are depicted to be

[uncut harness]

Also they are copies of the creator so that's why they are stronger

The npc are fully simulated while the Traveler is scan based

[full vapor]

Player Travelers are basically the Gordon freeman of the NMS

[eternal radish]

I want to meet Artemis and Apollo 🥺

[eternal radish]

But so are the NPC Travellers.

[flat osprey]

I want to meet -null- to understand his lore

[uncut harness]

ah yes,destroying sentinels while listening to Shadows of Death v2 (black mesa ost)

[uncut harness]

and we die a lot too

[weary haven]

Are there side quests after the end of the game

[uncut harness]

Once I go to the center is it gonna restart me

Don't tell me what happens

I just wanna know because ion wanna restart tbh

[wet root]

This is what happens || This is a spoiler, why would I spoil NMS for you when you could find it out for yourself! ||

[potent bloom]

I mean, we in the spoiler channel

[candid lark]

Think of it this way - Euclid galaxy is just like the starter area........

[gloomy isle]

I think it may be similar to in MMOs and games like Destiny 2, where you can play content that isn't necessarily relevant in the current lore

It just represents how it used to be I think

[eternal radish]

MMO's?

[gloomy isle]

Yeah stuff like World of Warcraft

Old expansions probably aren't lore relevant but you can still access them

(I could be very wrong)

[eternal radish]

Though in NMS it's the other way around. The lore is from the time multiplayer didn't exist yet.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah very true

The artemis path is probably just set at that point in time

[eternal radish]

Maybe resetting the sim... does something? Like enabling Travellers (who exist in the present) to meet? In that case the reset caused the Atlas to break down even further.

But that also means Artemis, Apollo (and Null but we don't talk about Null lmao) are somewhere out there...

Probably even multiple iterations of them.

[gloomy isle]

That would be really interesting

Maybe hard- resetting the simulation, while a temporary solution, isn't that good for the Atlas

So it kinda helped break down boundaries between travellers

[eternal radish]

Technically Artemis, Apollo etc are an aspect of us since we have the same "oversoul" so to speak but I mean iterations that are LITERALLY Artemis or Apollo.

[gloomy isle]

I wonder what they'd be doing in these versions of the simulation

Since Artemis' main goal was to meet a fellow traveller

Maybe they're living happily and they've accomplished that

[uncut harness]

So is all our fault

Basically

[nova birch]

I just still think of the gek being a war crazy race of destruction that was almost unstoppable to be one of the more crazier things

[fringe notch]

Well when you consider the geks origins and how powerful the first spawn was

Phew, they were absolutely insane

We should be glad they were exterminated. The way they used the nanite weapons was insanity

[nova birch]

now they are greedy space goblin lizards

[fringe notch]

They could literally disolve worlds

Then you have the whole Tek magic they were into apparently

Aerons were just sad

They were simple servants who did their job well and once Atlas made the Manifest Simulation, where they formed physically simulated forms, the impact really messed them up

Even the Sentinels said, thats when things went wrong

[nova birch]

the immortal Korvax sacrificing themselves to change the Gek

nanites being living things

[fringe notch]

Its interesting when you get into Atlantid, the mother. The living world, the throne. The first convergence. The first gathering of the AI, Sentinels and Korvax.

[cursive pollen]

i scam geks at every chance i get

[fringe notch]

Its basically implied Korvax were among the first sentinets

They literally gathered with the brand new manifested physical aerons, before they got corrupted and were friends. Apparently they aerons couldn't stand the violence once organic sentients popped up and tried to help

But that turned into a perverse form of what they initially intended and they became the sentinels

Mostly

From what I gather not all the sentinels got corrupted in the same way

[nova birch]

Atlas was pretty much made to stop corruption but its solution was just to wipe it all out and start over

[fringe notch]

Well, to a degree. It did stop the corrpted sentinels.

Which basically destroyed a galaxy

However, the functioning sentinels it left in place because it suited its goal

To find out why

Although the WHY is huge

The dysfunction of the sentinels served to cause conflict and the conflict served to answer questions

and to propel the travelers

which answered more questions

lol

Why master?

Why did you leave me?

[nova birch]

funny how there are conflicting controlling entities

[fringe notch]

What is the answer of life, the purpose, so on, thats what the master left it to answer

Aye

I mean when you consider atlas was initially set out to answer its masters question, but then as it was close to death, it needed to answer its own origin question

Thus the creation of travelers and a physically simulation

to sorta peer into its masters origins

since all travelers are versions of its master

aspects

Its sad

[nova birch]

I dont remember how the sentinels came to be most I remember is just one day they popped into exitance and were not doing anything until it was too late

[fringe notch]

Well the Aerons were subroutines in the program

A way of handling the question of life, the code simulations were merely posited numerical simulations

Not whole realities

They served as a trimmign agent

Once the physical simulation began, they joined it as well

got corrupted

then became sentinels

Heck, Telamon was a subroutine meant to help managed the initial launch of the simulation

[nova birch]

gave the Vy'keen a god like person to follow from that as being the last living thing

[fringe notch]

Well they were Vy'keen at first

they were a larger racial group

The Vy'keens all thats left, since they killed all the other groups

[nova birch]

in seconds too

whole galaxy just gone

[fringe notch]

The other groups didn't agree with the whole kill all sentinels thing lol

You know, I have over 12000 pictures of lore now

Ive been stitching it together for months lol

Ive also been finding new bits in the ruins, related to artifacts

Its utterly immense

[nova birch]

I just been picking up stuff to memory while playing the game lol

[fringe notch]

Eh, Im a explorer. I RP a lot too

[nova birch]

I'm just a dude that derps around but likes a good story

[fringe notch]

Every major memory I gain, when I die, can be regained, I have a program that assigns a activating action to reactivate a memory

So essentially, every play through, I remember or dont remember, and it makes for unique perspectives

thus all the permadeath games have been different

The program for memories is essentially just a excel doc

lol

[nova birch]

the more interesting part of it all is how the past was recovered like it was left intact but spread all over. kinda like it was done on purpose but for what reason

[fringe notch]

To a degree thats probably on purpose but also due to boundary errors

The some dang sim is collapsing

Well its being .. whats the word

Bad sectors of code are deleted, and some of the data folds into functioning nodes

So the simulation is losing its coherence

but its becoming more whole

[nova birch]

wonder what will stop the loop of the same cycle

[fringe notch]

I managed to work out the age of the physical sim

Although, frick, the numbers hurt my head

Well were at 16

16 seconds tell death

[nova birch]

is it 16^16

or maybe 16//16//16//16

[fringe notch]

hehe, those 16s mean more then that too

So theoretically, each second is 3.2 billion years

it took forever to get that math

the universe started at 20 seconds from death

were at 16

I think roughly 12 billion years passed so far

give or take

[nova birch]

hmmm I wonder when a traveler resets and births a new star that its added to the current sim

or the new one

[fringe notch]

That gets into Boundaries

and vessels

Honestly, it says the universe ends

The vessel is emptied

the traveler is transfered to a new vessel

Only one traveler is supposed to in a vessel, but well, nexus sorta screwed that up

which is sorta causing the whole damned sim to get wonkly lol

[nova birch]

well nexus and all inside are all glitches in the system that happened over time

[fringe notch]

yeah, its a mess

Lol

[nova birch]

time to run the defrag

[fringe notch]

The cool thing is, settlements for instance, did exist in some vessels

Some vessels are completely different

So as new things pop up

its because of errors, elements are leaking

Hell, we even know in some vessels, there arent korvax and stuff

[nova birch]

in code and stuff when something is erased its not actually taken out. just it is made available to have something else be put in the place where it was. but you end up with bits of code that is left in chunks so its fragmented, not tied to anything just parts are there. now a days on computers that is less of a issue but I wonder in this sim that is the case. and the reasoning to all the glitches in the code that are persistent like the nexus

[fringe notch]

Yup

In anycase, my lunch is over!

I must go back to work lol

[nova birch]

have fun and good talk

[fringe notch]

Thanks! Yeah, its always fun discussing

take care!

[nova birch]

you too

[uncut harness]

The abyss is one of those bits that left,the bit that once belongs to Korvax Prime

[near talon]

Can anyone translate what jahnri(Lee) and Twee where talking about for me?

[edgy zinc]

so let me get this straight...

We put artemis in a simulation of our simulated reality created by the atlas, which is in turn a simulation created by game devs, in a world which some argue is also a simulation?

[potent bloom]

How very meta

I just let them die 😄

[near talon]

If anyone is woundering like I was, the Person Jahnri(Lee) exsplained it simply: u (player) playing game on (mabye pc) about a super computer (atlas) on a simulation , in simulation 16, vessel 16 in simulation 16, and second 16 in simulation 16

My brain still hurts but I hope this helps you all who didn’t know nms had lore

[rancid ether]

Thought this was interesting...not sure if its related to same 20 years the player is apparently sleeping during the main story.

[potent bloom]

I've never seen that one before. Interesting.

[jolly patio]

Any benefits when I reset the simulation? Or just bad deal cuz I need to fix everything in my inventory and my ship?🤣

[eternal radish]

Benefit is you get yeeted to a galaxy of your choice 🙂

[charred shale]

It sounds to me like "comatose between excursions" is the player logging out of the game. I've always wondered, from the lore's perspective, what happens when we log out. Do our characters wink out of existence? Are we left comatose where we logged out?

[edgy zinc]

I got yeeted to a galaxy called "Hilbert Dimension".

[thorny rover]

Oh nice

[edgy zinc]

anyone else here in that galaxy?

[stoic mural]

You go between, like where your companion animals are when not logged in

[edgy zinc]

let's move here then

[eternal radish]

Our characters stay in purgatory lol

[dusty hinge]

so i just decided to let artemis die, will she come up in the story again or is this arc done

[grim peak]

I think it comes up in one conversation with apollo and maybe a conversation with nada, but that's it

doesn't change the ending

[dusty hinge]

hmm, i felt like being stuck inside a single solar system alone would be the exact same as what she was stuck in before

[grim peak]

if the solar system is more like a real solar system than an nms one, I doubt artemis would get bored

[dusty hinge]

well she also clearly didnt like being alone regardless of the circumstance

past the artemis decision how much more of the story is there? like what % would you say im through

[grim peak]

not a lot iirc

[chrome meadow]

how do i find apollo?

[gusty canyon]

You talking early game or like about to end the story?

[chrome meadow]

early

[grim peak]

You talk to him at a holo terminus or from your ship.

[fervent cobalt]

The whole game is the Atlas gaslighting his imaginary friend

[eternal radish]

You mean their creator?

[fervent cobalt]

Copy of their creator

[eternal radish]

Oh

[dusty hinge]

so it the atlas kinda like an overprotective parent?

[charred shale]

more like a toxic narcissist

[shrewd hound]

Is this a lore channel?

[unreal pecan]

I think so

[heady wyvern]

Just a channel for any discussion that involves major plot/lore spoilers or datamined content.

[shrewd hound]

Mhm...

[shrewd hound]

Can someone tell me why are sentinels a thing?

[fervent cobalt]

They could on #nms-spoilers

but not me, I don't know that much lore

[shrewd hound]

this is #nms-spoilers

[thorny rover]

To contain and destroy anomalies (not us as Anomaly, but anomalies/glitches)

[flat osprey]

And to enforce laws