nms-spoilers

[jovial radish]

but all of your bases, etc, will still be there and you can portal between galaxies

[steel venture]

Cool I just basically powered through thr artemis quest now I'm starting to warp 16 times... I can do atlas path after as well or does that go away

[rocky heath]

does this apply to freighter bases?

[jovial radish]

Yes, those stay too

[jovial radish]

Pretty sure that stays too, I still have mine

[rocky heath]

yey

[rocky heath]

what about companions

[jovial radish]

Haven’t checked that, from what I can tell, everything stays

[rocky heath]

yey

[steel venture]

Reset simulation or refuse the atlas

Any pros and cons

Literally at that point right now

[safe kiln]

doesn't really matter tbh

reset means going to a new galaxy, refuse means staying

[steel venture]

I see..

Good to know thanks

[safe kiln]

(also, you can return even if you reset)

[steel venture]

Was this always the case from day 1? Or did the updates add that

[safe kiln]

day 1 as in, what

[steel venture]

Launch vanilla no mans sky

[safe kiln]

because i'm pretty sure this part of the story wasn't shipped at launch

[steel venture]

Oh ok

I mean you couldn't go to the center of the galaxy with the initial game?

[safe kiln]

you could

and that would send you to a new galaxy

[eternal radish]

Interesting stuff. Thank you for sharing this!

I wish I didn't miss those missions. This was from before I played NMS 😭

It would be interesting to see a ship entering the Nexus and Ariadne coming out of it and everyone being confused because there already is an "Ariadne".

[chrome pike]

Anyone Remember when the gek/vykeen/korvax tells you that artemis’ location does not exist? And you have the option to ask them if they made a mistake?

https://youtu.be/iNlqt3pvRFg

[thorny rover]

In the quest "Alone amidst the stars" towards the very end.

[chrome pike]

Did you watch the video?

[thorny rover]

Oh, my bad 🤦‍♂️

[daring fable]

Talking about the Artemis story, it’s an emotional ride tbh, you get to know and learn about one character but in the end you find out he’s not there, that he has long died, pretty sad but atleast it was a good story

[eternal radish]

It hit me like a train 😭😭😭😭

[daring fable]

Yeah same 😭

[eternal radish]

Though I am convinced Artemis might have been alive for the first part of the story until they were attacked by the glass creatures.

[daring fable]

Glass creatures?

[thorny rover]

Sentinels, you see many references between sentinels and glass

[daring fable]

Thank you for the info

[eternal radish]

Beings with "seeds of glass into their skin".

Maybe a Sentinel type we haven't seen before?

[daring fable]

That’s sound specific and gross at the same time

But yes I thought sentinel but I was thinking maybe not

[eternal radish]

That's how Artemis described them 🙃

[thorny rover]

Nah, I think that orange armor is the glass, or the red casing

[eternal radish]

Some type of organic Sentinel? Biological robotic Sentinel type?

[daring fable]

Artemis made a strange description but atleast we get to know what attacked him, but gross at the same time, just think of this some animal with glass in their skin

[eternal radish]

Similar to a living ship in a way?

[eternal radish]

I want to make an artistic interpretation of this. Some type of body horror art.

[daring fable]

Organic sentinel, that’s sound like an amazing concept, cus we have a living ship it seems to be somewhat possible, I might draw a concept of how the “glass” creature looked like

[daring fable]

I was about to say I wanted to draw it

[eternal radish]

We thought about the same thing at the same time lol

[eternal radish]

What if that new project Hello Games is working on is a horror game set in the Abyss?

[daring fable]

Possible

[eternal radish]

Where you are a Traveller that got stuck there and has to survive and find a way out?

[thorny rover]

Or in a alternate universe where everything looks ancient and you have the Multi-sword!!

[daring fable]

One question, are there official devs of nms here? Cus I would love to talk about our concept and maybe inspire a new update

[eternal radish]

It is very possible that devs from Hello Games are in this chat incognito but it's understandable and their right not to reveal themselves.

[daring fable]

Yeah cus they would’ve get many dms and more contact then they want

Hey dev if ur here looking just note about this “living sentinel” thing cus it seems like a valid and interesting concept

[thorny rover]

Maybe YOU are a developer!

[daring fable]

Possible

[thorny rover]

Raises torch

[eternal radish]

Anyone of us could potential be one

[thorny rover]

lowers torch

[daring fable]

Yeah, but I’m too young to be in the industry

So not me for sure

I know ur gonna say “isn’t that what a undercover dev would say?”

[eternal radish]

Sentinels once had no need for a physical form but then they manifested as robots (as far as we know) but nothing states that Sentinels are limited to robots. Maybe biorobotic and even humanoid (or "Travelleroid" in this case lol) Sentinels could be a thing. Ever watched Terminator?

[daring fable]

Yes I’ve watched it

[thorny rover]

I mean they have limited awareness and other living emotions, so they may be more than just robots

[eternal radish]

How Terminators became more and more advanced until you had those that could liquify themselves and change shape? I can see something like that happening with Sentinels when they become more and more advanced. They are basically the Skynet of No Man's Sky after all...

[eternal radish]

At least their hivemind does. I doubt individual drones (aside from LayLaps) are sentient.

Though I once did wonder if Sentinels weren't sentient to a certain extent.

[thorny rover]

They may be, but we do not know enough since we know little of sentinels awareness, but I strongly hope that they feel, but they are put in place by the hivemind

I mean, LayLaps i just disconnected

So there may be many like LayLaps

[eternal radish]

Did you know that the Ariadne on the Anomaly isn't the real one. Apparently the real Ariadne went missing when going on an expedition to the Abyss. It was revealed in weekend missions which occurred way before I played No Man's Sky.

[thorny rover]

I know

Very cool

Hope to see a continuation

[eternal radish]

I wonder if the imposter Ariadne is actually one of these sentient Sentinels I was talking about and that they are gradually infiltrating the Anomaly.

I can see the sentient Sentinels being able to "call in" the other Sentinels (drones, interceptors etc.) telepathically since they are connected to them via their hivemind. Maybe the imposter (Sentinel?) Ariadne will do this and will give Sentinels reach the Anomaly by infiltrating it.
In that case shit is about to hit the fan 😅

[daring fable]

Hey @eternal radish I’m about to make the drawing and I’ll dm the end result

Also sorry if I disturb you

[eternal radish]

Ok. I'm looking forward to it 🙂

[daring fable]

:D

[lofty bramble]

Coming here, just wanted to talk about the game. I have made it far enough in the story to finally get to the new galaxy! "Bulldog" reminiscent name, I don't remember.

Was curious, do different galaxies have higher or lower chances for certain types of renders?

Or RNG I guess may be the word, not render

I'm looking for a goldilocks planet, poisonous, rainbows, green trees, grass, non-freakish animals.

[heady wyvern]

There's four types of galaxy:
• Normal (like Euclid)
• Harsh (More extreme hazard planets)
• Calm (More lush, vaguely earthlike planets)
• Empty (More dead and exotic planets)

I frankly don't know which type your galaxy falls into.

[candid lark]

This game is more like The Matrix when it comes to the story - The travellers are neo and the gang, those who have realised that they are all trapped in an infinite simulation (the ATLAS), and theres only maybe 10-15 of them, and everyone else is just clones. They are looking for the way out. The sentinels are the "agents", trying to stop the travellers from finding out how to alter the simulation, and possibly finding a way out in the process. It appears that in the real world, where the ATLAS resides as some kind of supercomputer, it is possibly being crushed by a black hole, and is now dying as a result.

The world of Glass is simply the computer screens

used to access the ATLAS.

[lofty bramble]

that is answer enough!

[candid lark]

Nada and Polo are Morpheus and Trinity, and the Nexus is both outside AND inisde the simulation

The bodies you see that Nada and Polo have are just virtual bodies built to fit in with expectations of the simulation

The Nexus can go anywhere in the universe instantly because it doesnt have to respect the rules of the simulation

@daring fable ^^^^^

[daring fable]

Yeah

Oh ok I’ll read it

[daring fable]

Wow you just changed my entire view on the game

[daring fable]

I had an aneurism getting it but now I get it

[daring fable]

Aaa ok

Jesus @candid lark you know a lot

[candid lark]

I've played through the entire storyline 6 times

and read every single bit of it

being in creative helps with that

I've also seen the first 3 matrix films multiple times

Ariadne is Agent Smith, the program desperately wanting to be real, and willing to clone herself over other travellers to do it

[daring fable]

What you just wrote broke my heart yet superglued it back together, and now I have a headache thinking about the story and what I’ve done in the game, you’ve changed my view

also why would the atlas contain these people

Why

[candid lark]

Why did the matrix exist?

The matrix was the world of AI gone crazy and enslaved the human race

[daring fable]

To hide reality and make a “normal

“Normal worls

World

Jesus I should sleep soon

Almost 1 am

[candid lark]

The matrix had two motives - to use the human race to provide power after the humans blacked out the sun in a massive war against them, and also to keep the humans alive by holding them in a simulation they can beleive in

We dont know yet why the ATLAS exists, or for what purpose. We just know that it does exist, and is dying

[daring fable]

My guy all this info is giving me a headache and no offense I’m just thinking about all of the story and ur basically ripping it apart and re wiring it

[daring fable]

I know it’s dying but by dying wdym?

[candid lark]

The ATLAS has said something about a black hole that is killing it outside the world of glass (the computer screens)

So it could be that its on a planet in reality where the entire population is in some kind of dream that is the simulation and all of a sudden, a black hole has opened up in its solar system and is slowly destroying the system, but it cantt wake up the people on the planet who are all stuck in its simulation

[daring fable]

Someone gotta pin this info by him

[candid lark]

It could even be that the ATLAS is on a sleeper ship in deep space and there is likely only a few people on it which is why most gek, vykeen and korvax all look identical

and that sleeper ship is being pulled into a black hole

[daring fable]

Possible

[candid lark]

The travellers could be the crew of the ship who are all in hyper-sleep in the simulation and the atlas is trying to make them realise that the ship is in danger

[daring fable]

Also possible

But the story, I always thought oh this character is in a real world but you, you crushed that thought

[candid lark]

Nope, the entire story takes place inside the simulation

which is why you get a chance to reset it

[daring fable]

I remember there’s also another thing

Apart from resetting

[candid lark]

The simulation only has 16 minutes left before it dies. However, time in the simulation does not follow that of the real world

so we don't know how long 16 minutes of real world time is inside the simulation

[daring fable]

If you think about it maybe in a few updates we might get a story with the “real” world

[candid lark]

Well, think about how bright and colorful the simulation is. It doesnt resemble the real world at all

It would be like going from NMS to Star Citizen or Elite:Dangerous

[daring fable]

Yeah, many physic laws don’t match with the real ones and the planets are so different

[candid lark]

The real world would have to be a seperate title done by HG

as it would need entirely more serious and realistic graphics

[daring fable]

Actually, yeah, it would be a complete new game with new physics and new stuff

That’s more real

[candid lark]

NMS will always be about the simulation and trying to keep the ATLAS alive

[daring fable]

If their was a new game with the real world what do u think the title would be?

[candid lark]

It would probably be a dark horror survival set in deep space aboard a space ship

where you are the only one awake, and you have to get the ship back on course and away from the black hole

[daring fable]

Or ur stuck on a planet with a crashed ship and you need to get to a home freighter with “survivors” like what you said neo and the gang

[daring fable]

Actually yeah that’s too

Actually yeah ur comment is better, a survival horror and you gotta go away from a black hole

[candid lark]

You start out thinking that the ATLAS is evil, but end up realising that if it dies, you die. Its pleading with you to help it. The sentinels seem to be on their own set of programming claiming to help the ATLAS, but it seems they have an ulterior motive or boss.

[icy citrus]

This is great and all, but the channel is for spoilers

[daring fable]

@mystic gulch

Hey @candid lark could u explain in short for my friend what the game is?

[candid lark]

well, we dont want to spoil the story for them

unless they've played through it

[daring fable]

They haven’t played and most likely will not play

Like u don’t have to give everything like what the game is about

But u don’t have to trust me

It’s by ur choice

[candid lark]

the game itself is Minecraft in space with a matrix-like storyline

[heady wyvern]

A self-motivated sandbox space experience with somewhat existential undertones.

Though, I suspect it's too late to alter fate by this point.

[wild sleet]

so im slapped with the 4 choices of which sim i wanna do

XD

idk which one to doooo

nvm i said screw it and chose random lel

[wild sleet]

bruhhhhh

IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT I WAS GONNA BE SKIN AND BONES I WOULD OF BROUGHT BETTER SUPPLIES XD

[daring fable]

Technically these are spoilers cus he’s talking about the story and yeahs sure we got a lil of course in the end but still

[icy citrus]

This is where I stepped in.

[daring fable]

Oh yeah that part, sure it wasn’t actually a spoiler but it does have something to do with the story, like when the ATLAS is dying and we thought that there would be a new game

[ember grotto]

If I did all the missions of the voice of freedom I mean the start to find it, how or what do I do next?

[icy citrus]

Havent done that one myself, sorry

[chrome pike]

I’m pretty sure the travelers are ghosts. I met the traveler with this dialogue at a space station

[uncut harness]

They definitely are yeah.
They are referred to as echo's, they are data just bouncing around.

[chrome pike]

Then i found his crashed freighter

[eternal radish]

I had this log too. Interesting to read about beings having relationships in this game.

[eternal radish]

I wonder it’s the same from the other Traveller’s perspective with our character. That the Travellers we interact with are physical in their own dimension and that we appear as the ghosts.

[chrome pike]

I couldn’t find the traveler again which is why I looked it up.

[eternal radish]

Past, present and future can see eachother.

So those Travellers might have lived long ago or might have not even been born yet.

[icy citrus]

That's us

They are all us

We are them

[eternal radish]

We are all fragments of a collective consciousness

[safe kiln]

wasn't the ATLAS' whole purpose to simulate worlds? that seems to have been one facet of the self-simulation it made.

that it was told to simulate universes, and was eventually made obsolete by even better devices, thereafter left abandoned by a creator that couldn't bring themself to shut it down

and after however long, the ATLAS began to die, alone and forgotten

in my opinion, it's not likely the atlas would last very long even if it wasn't apparently about to be consumed by a black hole.

the simulation appears to be deteriorating independently of such an event

though that could also be a product of the atlas' growing apathy towards both itself and the simulation it governs

[eternal radish]

I wonder if the universe simulated by the Atlas would be transferred to those "better" devices.

[stray lance]

It's a coding reference in regards to when time started on Unix electronic systems. In the western hemisphere it's labeled as 12/31/1969 but in the east it's 1/1/1970.

In essence this is a reference to the fact that the 'universe' is a simulation.

[lost minnow]

Ohhhhh

I see

[uncut harness]

O interesting

[stray lance]

So basically 1969 is when computer 'time' started

[lost minnow]

That’s a nice Easter egg

So in 1969, that’s when the simulation started

😱

[uncut harness]

Haha I was right

But yeah that's a cool ee to have

[stray lance]

Incorrect actually

[uncut harness]

Nope

[stray lance]

In reality Atlas has restarted many iterations multiple times

[uncut harness]

Saying that it's a simulation is a spoiler is what I mean

[stray lance]

1969 is simply as for back as Unix can go, so technically speaking 12/31/1969 is the earliest date Polo could set the discovery to.

[lost minnow]

Yeah

[lost minnow]

Yeah

[uncut harness]

I feel like this is a small hole

Because surely it would have a new date every reset

[stray lance]

I don't think so

The Anomaly seems to exist in every iteration considering the residents come from different simulations.

Heck Nada herself was from a completely different iteration as found in the story

[uncut harness]

The anomaly does get reset though

[stray lance]

The fact remains that the minimum year in computer terms is 1969

[uncut harness]

Because when you finally reset it Nada and polo no longer remember you

Ye

[stray lance]

But that makes no sense

[uncut harness]

Well it's fact

After you reset the Atlas you are tasked with going back to the anomaly

When you speak to Nada they say they don't know you so you must be a new random traveller

[obsidian shuttle]

Is this from the actual main story or part of the expedition?

[icy citrus]

Atlas path, not expedition

[faint sun]

I found a no sentinel barren planet with nothing but minerals and whispering eggs, I destroyed the egg and only when I grabbed it did sentinels spawn. I have a theory that the sentinels are sowing these biological horrors across the galaxy as you can also find whispering eggs around minor outposts

[daring fable]

Main

[obsidian shuttle]

Wow i got the main story in the expedition

[true geyser]

Oops, wrong chat

[spare loom]

what happens when ||i reset the simulation||

too late

[eternal radish]

Then you get yeeted to another galaxy.

[spare loom]

yerrrr

hilbert for the win

[stoic olive]

Do any of you folks have the quote from the Korvax cartographer during the Artemis quest line? I thought it was super cool but I can’t find a quote anywhere ://

[dense spire]

Is there any chance my character to be deleted when I finish the game ?

Or have the same fate as Artemis

[icy citrus]

No

[jolly thicket]

Unless you're playing permadeath ...

[hollow osprey]

The Abyss is also the above-ground infested structures, right?

It's not just the underwater ones

[eternal radish]

It’s the world outside of the simulation.

[hollow osprey]

Oh

[eternal radish]

As far as I understand it

[hollow osprey]

Well I hadn't learned that naturally yet

What's actually happening to the survivors in the Nautilus questline then?

They're becoming addicted to reality?

[eternal radish]

I haven’t finished that one yet.

[hollow osprey]

Ah okay

[eternal radish]

Ironically

[hollow osprey]

It's real short

[eternal radish]

Became drowned in the newer quests and unit making lol

[hollow osprey]

Go do it real quick, it's really short!

It'd be near instant if the Nautilus didn't move so slow.

I haven't done most of Atlas path nor reached the Center yet

But I've also reached the Center before, I just don't remember it well

[eternal radish]

You get to choose a new galaxy 😃

At the end

[hollow osprey]

What do you mean?

[eternal radish]

You’ll see

[hollow osprey]

Like, to go to?

To create?

[eternal radish]

Yes

[hollow osprey]

Ah okay

[rocky heath]

I remember a Vy'keen saying something about the "progenitors". I feel like he wasn't talking about Hirk.

[quartz verge]

yeah the expedition becomes a normal save when you finish.

[icy citrus]

That isn't the main story though, that is the Atlas Path

Once it converts you can do the Artemis path

[hollow osprey]

Because living in a fake reality where none of the people around you are real (which is the most notable part, at least in our simulated reality there are other 'real people') is worse than death

[icy citrus]

Should have thrown some more people in there then

[hollow osprey]

Is that an option?

[icy citrus]

Lol, no

[hollow osprey]

I didn't think so

[flat leaf]

In theory, the simulation would be no different than what we experience as we travel. Considering that we, as players, are in a simulation, inescapable. I felt he should be in comfort knowing we are in similar prison cells. Lol

[hollow osprey]

But my point is that the PC is in just as terrible a situation.

[eternal radish]

Hmmm technically we could collect the souls of other dead Travellers we meet at graves with the mind arc and put them in the simulation as well.

[icy citrus]

I tried

[eternal radish]

And then turn the solar system simulation into a universe with countless solar systems and galaxies and we basically have a universe in another dimension

[thorny rover]

Do you think there are a layer of simulations in NMS? I mean we created NMS, NMS has a simulation device, and in that. simulation it could possibly another simulation, and so on

[hollow osprey]

You are asking the question millions of philosophers ask often

Essentially, with the debate of if god is real, or if someone created our universe (simulation theory) there is no end point, which is the major flaw in the philosophies.
For example: if god created our universe, who created god? And who created the thing that created god?
And the simulation theory one is: if our reality is a simulation, who's to say our simulation isn't running in a simulation, and that goes on forever?

[hollow osprey]

So yes, it's very possible

[safe kiln]

Absolutely

I believe it’s even mentioned that the various races may have had their own “atlases”

That is, devices that simulate universes

The atlas can even simulate its own reality with such (supposed) precision and speed that it (also supposedly) possesses some level of precognition

(I think there’s also a fourth wall break in one of the boundary failures?)

[gloomy crypt]

How many atlas seeds are there, and will i need one of each?

[quiet bay]

without spoilers pls will i lose the world or my progress when i reach the center of the galaxy?

[thorny rover]

No

[heady wyvern]

@gloomy crypt 10. You'll only need the final one.

[wheat storm]

as mentioned, nope

you’ll be able to continue your progress as usual

[quiet bay]

guys do i reset the simulation or refuse

i do not know

nvm i'll choose myself

i didn't do it

i mean is there any good in doing it

after all it's just an infinite cycle

null says he would be wiped out but my ship my freighter and my stuff would still be there so he would too

not to mention i wiped it once before i think

or something happened

where everything was breaking and there was some sort of error i don't remember

damn i wish there was an actual ending

[urban cloud]

So, I see plenty of uses for the Atlas Passes V1 and V3, but have yet to come across a V2. What does it unlock?

Wait, why I am asking, there's a Wiki! Lol

[heady wyvern]

@urban cloud Certain planetary structures - larger observatories, manufacturing facilities, ops centers - have a v2-locked door. They mostly contain what a v3-locked door in a Station would contain.

[uncut harness]

You get access to a new galaxy tho.

[cedar lintel]

someone gave me a active void egg after i started starbirth and now it says to examine the egg in inventory but it doesnt say anything, am i softlocked?

[heady wyvern]

@cedar lintel Stick with the egg you bought.

[cedar lintel]

yeah i got 3 now so idk which one it is

[heady wyvern]

ah.

[cedar lintel]

cause they stack

[heady wyvern]

Wha

Does it really say nothing? At all?

[cedar lintel]

it says something about strange colours and powerful anomalies

when i go to the system with the marker there is no marker anymore

[heady wyvern]

@cedar lintel Exotic biome. Last I heard, the game forces you to mess around with coordinates.

[cedar lintel]

oh ok

are those locked to a specific planet? bc i have an extreme one in the marked system

[heady wyvern]

The game wants you to figure out, from clues, which planet to go to.

[cedar lintel]

i have bleak, cloudy, and parched extreme

[heady wyvern]

Bleak it is

[cedar lintel]

ok thanks

[heady wyvern]

If it isn't, I'm sorry

My biome descriptors are a bit rusty

[cedar lintel]

whats an exotic biome look like?

[heady wyvern]

Usually either have unusual fauna and minerals, or a color filter over everything

[cedar lintel]

k

[mystic dove]

What’s at the galactic core?

[cedar lintel]

next galaxy

bleak still says it seeks a specific world in this system, do i have to wander around or does that mean this planet isnt the one?

[cedar lintel]

do i have to do anything special? ive gone to every planet in this system and nothing has happened

[cedar lintel]

ok i think i figured it out (not sure yet tho) I warped to a different galaxy then went to the new waypoint which leads to a system with a "planetary anomaly" whereas the other system had no exotic bioems

its seems to be working now, this planet definitely is exotic its mostly monochrome and has giant plants. thanks @heady wyvern

[hollow osprey]

I’m not sure. Nada and Polo seem to know.

But that could just be them having lived reset after reset.

[eternal radish]

Also, why does your base staff survive the reset? And why are most NPC's you've met still the same?

[icy citrus]

Who said they survive? Could be different iterations

[hollow osprey]

Likely different iterations for them

But we know those among the anomaly aren’t technically different iterations

So IDK

[eternal radish]

Or they respawn?

Or regenerate?

[icy citrus]

Yeah, could be

[spice gorge]

I have Pirate Maps 2 and 3, but not 1. Where do I get one? Wondering if I sold it... (Exp 6)

get 1 rather

[hollow osprey]

Once you obtain any of them, you can craft them. Check that.

Otherwise, do all milestones involving rendezvous points.

If neither of those work, I'm not sure. Something must've bugged.

[spice gorge]

Boom -- thank you.

[hollow osprey]

Of course!

[spice gorge]

Trying to recall how to find a Sentinel nest.

Was it found with some craftable item?

Did all this in the last Exp I think

[heady wyvern]

@spice gorge You can either get a planetary chart from examining Salvaged Glass, or one will be revealed to you upon defeating a tier-5 Sentinel response

[spice gorge]

Ok, I can remember doing that

[main bison]

Are there any comprehensive lore videos I could watch that recap what we know about the lore surrounding the atlas and the simulation? When I look it up on youtube the top 3 videos aren't actually about the story, they're about the IRL story of NMS's terrible launch and redemption.

either that, or the videos are so old that they're not relevant anymore to the current version of the story.

[craggy plover]

I believe the in game lore basically says that the Atlas was an AI made by man, man left AI (planet?) Alone, AI starts to die, tries to simulate its creator (last traveler, you) before it dies

@thorny rover

^^

So the issue with its creator leaving it means it would be hard to recreate it

[thorny rover]

Huh, posibly, but there is a chance that before he left he downloaded an Atlas copy

Like we can copy files and programmes

[craggy plover]

I think it kind of says that the Atlas made the nanites (AI nanobot technology) which kind of was the start of the Korvax??? Don't 100 me on that. In either case, we putting hypotheticals on a hypothetical story of a game about hypothetical...ness? So it's all rather semantics. @thorny rover

[thorny rover]

Yeah, we put hypothetical questions in a simulation^2 game, for no more than entertainment.

[hollow osprey]

Nanites are strange

Nanites are also refined from the Atlas' enemy

AKA reality

[thorny rover]

Or platinum

[hollow osprey]

Yep

[thorny rover]

Or organic colonies aka runaway mold

[hollow osprey]

That's what I mean about Atlas' enemy

The Abyss can be refined into runaway mold, which can be refined into nanites

[thorny rover]

What about larval cores, what do they have that makes them into nanites

Or tainted metal

[hollow osprey]

I think that's also Abyss

[hollow osprey]

Recovered from Derelict Freighters infested with the Abyss

[thorny rover]

Or those titanic worm skin

[craggy plover]

What is abyss lol

[hollow osprey]

Not sure on that

[hollow osprey]

You know all the living slime, the underwater hypnotic eye stuff, the nests of living abominations and stuff?

All the Abyss, which is Atlas' main enemy and I'm pretty sure reality seeping into the simulation.

[craggy plover]

Uh

No

[hollow osprey]

But I can very easily be wrong

[craggy plover]

I don't think so

[hollow osprey]

Why not?

[thorny rover]

Weird about nanites is that they are everything, like a playdoh

[craggy plover]

I'm sorry. I'm not going to explain simulation theory ideologies with you this morning, but basically that. And all in game lore that points to that

[thorny rover]

Both alive and dead

[hollow osprey]

I

I know simulation theory

And I know simulation theory ideologies

[thorny rover]

Both existing and not

[hollow osprey]

I am aware it's all a simulation

Which is why the Abyss is interesting

[icy citrus]

That's what the atlas wants you to think

[hollow osprey]

Fair

[icy citrus]

I don't believe a thing that liar orb says

[thorny rover]

Traitor, he offers you existence and you spit in front of him.

[icy citrus]

It offers lies and false promises.

Only when you embrace the Abyss will you be free to sing again.

[thorny rover]

He IS everything

[hollow osprey]

I believe the Atlas because I don't believe it to have an opinion, I think it may be an AI but I think it's one that doesn't have autonomy

Doesn't mean I like the Atlas, though

I wanted to hear the other persons thoughts behind what the Abyss is but they just dipped

Sad.

[icy citrus]

The Abyss is the new version, designed to replace the Atlas as it inevitably fails

Psycho crimson orb

[craggy plover]

Gleam

I hate you

Anyways

[icy citrus]

Been in the World of Glass

[hollow osprey]

Yeah, it is all the Living Slime and Living Abominations and stuff, correct?

[icy citrus]

(Data storage)

[hollow osprey]

That's what I got from the Nautilon quest

[icy citrus]

They are definitely connected, but so are the new sentinels

[hollow osprey]

The Corrupted Sentinels, yeah

[icy citrus]

that's where I think corrupted come from, as the Abyss is stated to have the ability to subvert even the most loyal to its cause. What could be more loyal than programmed bots?

[dreamy oracle]

!expedition

er, is that the wrong command to see how much longer is left??

[hollow osprey]

Agreed, and shown in the Nautilon quest

[icy citrus]

That's not a spoiler

Lol

[hollow osprey]

The people are 'corrupted'

[icy citrus]

Try !faq-expedition in #bot-spam

By the water

The Abyss is also stated to broadcast from beneath the waves in bursts of 16

[hollow osprey]

Which is infested with the Abyss based on all the infested underwater buildings

[hollow osprey]

Essentially like nanites in the water?

or maybe the water itself is abyss

[dreamy oracle]

thank you

[hollow osprey]

But in the Nautilon quest it almost sounds like it's a specific area that corrupts them, said cave, so

[thorny rover]

Weird that Atlas and The Abyss work together, according to sentinel pillars.

According to the logs of the Sentinel Pillar, The Abyss along with the sentinels are using Nanites to contaminate the water, and change lifeforms across the universe in order to gain freedom from it.

[hollow osprey]

Well, the Sentinels aren't Atlas

Not anymore

So that doesn't mean they work together

And okay, yeah, it was infected nanites in the water

[thorny rover]

How so, didn't the Atlas created the sentinels as his police force?

[hollow osprey]

But the Sentinels are no longer controlled by the Atlas

The Atlas has no control over them anymore

At least AFAIK

[thorny rover]

Also according to sentinel pillars

According to the Sentinel Pillar, the identity of the Abyss is that of the AI of Korvax Prime

[hollow osprey]

Wait what

[thorny rover]

The original Korvax maybe

[icy citrus]

It never says that

[hollow osprey]

Do you have the exact Pillar quotes?

Just copy-paste the dialogue

[thorny rover]

Okay just a sec

[hollow osprey]

Thanks!

[craggy plover]

Korvax prime as a planet

Sentient

[thorny rover]

Leaving nothing but a abyss...

[craggy plover]

I'm 💀

So based on the sentinel pillars, the "abyss" is basically death or entropy?

[thorny rover]

Maybe more than that

Think about it, Atlas and the sentinels created personally and with what soul a robot has

[craggy plover]

What soul does a robot have?

[hollow osprey]

I didn't realize Laylaps, Telamon and -null- are all servants of the Abyss

Whether directly or indirectly.

The Abyss isn't just a metaphor, it is something

I think that's factual

Is the Voice of Freedom also the Abyss?

[thorny rover]

That or Abyss cultists

the Abyss may have cultists and followers due to the addiction we see in the underwater quest

[hollow osprey]

Yeah

It's very interesting

[thorny rover]

Yeah, what is a mystery has more misteries

It's like all we know is what it can cause to iterations

[hollow osprey]

Yep
And not how it is actually affecting the code of the Atlas or anything

[thorny rover]

Also, the water is apparently contaminated with modified nanites in a effort to gain freedom

So a future update could touch more on this subject

Because rn, according to wiki, half the water in the universe we know and love, is contaminated.

Which would mean, that Laylaps, is working with The Abyss, by assisting the contamination

Since in the quest ''trace of metal'', if you don't quarantine the explorers, the water is contaminated.

[hollow osprey]

Yep

I quarantined them

But apparently the Abyss is winning

And I'm betting that's what the Atlas is crying out about/why it's resetting

And the Atlas route has us creating a new star system, without contamination, I think in an effort to get us to start creating more and more uncontaminated areas?

[eternal radish]

How did you find out Null is a servant of the Abyss?

[hollow osprey]

22nd Encounter

“22nd Encounter
You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!”

[eternal radish]

So Null is basically an Abyssal prophet?

Someone like Jesus, but for the Abyss or Travellers?

[hollow osprey]

I’m not sure

I’m not sure it’s literal

I think it’s more-so because of his actions

And that his actions have hurt the Atlas and brought about the Abyss

[thorny rover]

Hmm, but does that include us

And since Telamon is the exosuit, could our decisions be influenced by him?

[hollow osprey]

I think it includes all travelers, to an extent

[thorny rover]

Yes, and all sentinels, buy Laylaps is more special

So could us, the last traveller, have a bigger part in this uprising

[hollow osprey]

I think so.

We’re the only one the Atlas communes with anymore

[thorny rover]

If so, I would like to see an update about this

[eternal radish]

It communicated with Apollo too.

[thorny rover]

Yes, but no more

[hollow osprey]

Not anymore.

[thorny rover]

Only us, can do it for now

[eternal radish]

That never became clear to me?

[hollow osprey]

He says it no longer speaks to him and has chosen us.

It’s in dialogue with him

[thorny rover]

Also in Null's dialogue

[wheat storm]

that Atlas is no longer wanting to talk to him

even he tried reaching out

[eternal radish]

It's been a while since my last storyline playthrough.
I knew about the Atlas no longer talking to Null but it never was clear to me that the same went for Apollo.

[wheat storm]

I remember one instance Apollo mentioned that Atlas does not want to reach out to him anymore. not sure what part it was, or it was implied

[eternal radish]

I don't remember that

I only remember Apollo telling me that they've met the Atlas and that they felt small and insignificant.
"I can't feel my legs".

That was beautiful. Seeing the self absorbed greedy bastard getting owned 🤣🤣🤣

(Ps I still love Apollo).

[thorny rover]

It doesn't say that Atlas cut contact with Apollo, or that Atlas contacted him, just that Apollo encountered Atlas between the last talk and the second Merchants Guild mission.

[eternal radish]

Also, despite paying close attention, it never became clear to me what Null's crime was. People mentioned it was ending a multiverse so they became immortal but I don't know where they based this off.

[eternal radish]

Apollo just said they felt small and insignificant. I can imagine them panicking and fleeing.

That Apollo got too scared.

[wheat storm]

same too. I was left wondering what he did that went wrong so bad that Atlas hated Null for it

[eternal radish]

Maybe the answer can be found in the Boundary Failure logs?

[uncut harness]

What was the reason we could never meet Apollo

Like i remember the part where they were both at the exact coordinates together but they couldn’t see each other

Is it because they were both in different simulations or something?

Simply, yes.
A simulation that existed before a previous Atlas reset.

Makes sense now

[eternal radish]

How did you find out?

[uncut harness]

Story lore, boundary lore.

[candid lark]

The story in this game plays out a LOT like the Matrix story

In the matrix, it has been destroyed and remade multiple times before, and each time there has been an iteration of Neo to come along and make sure it resets again

It helps if you have seen The Matrix 1,2 & 3 a few times to really understand where this entire thing is coming from

Also, realised that the sentinels and nanites and World of Glass are a Destiny wink

[eternal radish]

I'm really grinding the boundary failures rn

[candid lark]

Finding Boundary failures isnt easy

[eternal radish]

They're only on exotic planets

[uncut harness]

Wait if the reason we couldn’t find Apollo was because we were in different simulations and Apollo was partners with Artemis, how were we able to find Artemis’s grave

[hollow osprey]

Presumably it exists in this timeline, someone made it.

[stiff echo]

Is there anything special I would get for saving the spawn ship until I meet up with Artemis? I’ve been holding onto it on the off-chance that it’s needed for some cool interaction but if not I’m just gonna toss it

[spice gorge]

How do you leave the galaxy in Exp 6?

Without doing a full story mission??

Surely using a featured base in the Anomaly to jump is not allowed

[cedar lintel]

Going into the galactic core?

[spice gorge]

That takes weeks

that can't be what casual players are expected to do

[cedar lintel]

It's right near the spawn

[spice gorge]

Are those wierd assed things the Atlas keeps giving us (blueprints) the key?

that yellow and blue ball

thing

[cedar lintel]

Use the galactic core path, only took me about 2 jumps from where I was st the end

[spice gorge]

hmmm

ok

[pallid tree]

Where's that cast at?

[thorny rover]

Right here

So anyway, Apollo doesn't like feeling small, even if he is

[pallid tree]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Apollo only actually found out about the atlas after the player broadcast the end of the universe

[thorny rover]

He actually he found him between a talk between us and his second merchant's guild mission

[glass laurel]

All of the galaxies are a part of the same simulation right?

[thorny rover]

Yes

[pallid tree]

If the atlas is there, it's part of the simulation

[glass laurel]

Well, this is half true

Remember how you can "save" Artemis and put her in a simulation chamber in the anomaly

There wouldn't be this Atlas there

[pallid tree]

OOo I just found S class pulse and hyperdrive modules, noice

[glass laurel]

Smh

[pallid tree]

I think Artemis was in the abyss and didn't realise

[thorny rover]

No, but there would still be an interface

[pallid tree]

Also @thorny rover. I too hate the gek, no matter how much they say "we've changed"

[glass laurel]

Yes ofcourse, an interface to interface with the simulation chamber "how can a whole universe respond" I'm pretty sure when you try to send a message, you send one of those Atlas emissary things in the wast galaxy/galaxies

And for them to response they would need to use an interface

[pallid tree]

Those damn hypno toads screwed the Korvax....

[glass laurel]

But the better question is, is the atlas's galaxy, also a simulation

There's a reason why i think this is important

[thorny rover]

@glass laurel

[pallid tree]

Eh something that's confused me is that some abandoned buildings have memo logs that actually talks about the atlases creation

[glass laurel]

Well, ofcourse, but no the purpose of that question is different

And it's also connected to the Artemis' storyline

[pallid tree]

I had a theory about Artemis... what if they went into a blackhole and just didn't come or the other side?

[glass laurel]

We put Artemis into a simulation that is created in where Artemis' used to be alive in, whose to say we also didn't get put into a simulation. Furthermore the reason for me saying this is the character "race" is anomaly. Now we get told the Atlas creates the player character because it's dying, but it could be because the player is dying instead

[thorny rover]

I don't thing that's likely, since Artemis's universe is very similar to ours, except for a few minor things, so Korvax Prime is still being destroyed and mined over and over

[pallid tree]

Artemis dying outside of the anomaly simulation doesn't actually mean anything since we're in a simulation already.

[pallid tree]

I knew the gek were liers! They never stopped following the first spawns orders

[glass laurel]

The gek are always lying, they're either after blood or after cashmoney

Both require lying XD

[pallid tree]

It makes me wonder.... why did Nada choose polo of all people?

[glass laurel]

Cus polo is funny

[thorny rover]

So Geks should be filled with modified nanites that transforms their body into resources! Quick and painfully!

[glass laurel]

Idk why but nms reminds me of Rick and morty

[thorny rover]

There arent drunken iterations, YET

[glass laurel]

Lmao

[pallid tree]

You not the guy at the anomaly portal? How he says "the portal mutilated me, melted me and turned me into 'this'... but you can use the portal, it's perfectly safe!"

[glass laurel]

YESS

[pallid tree]

Didn't he simple touch the portal and got mutilated?

[glass laurel]

I think so

[thorny rover]

Portal could have been unstable

[pallid tree]

Yeah the tip of his finger touches the purple then he awake on the anomaly, all changed

[pallid tree]

Just... "yeah sure the portal transformed me when I touched it but you'll probably be fine, don't even worry about it melting you very being"

I'm sorry.. . But WHAT?!

[thorny rover]

Space Gordon Ramsay

[glass laurel]

Lmao

ITS FUCKING RAWW

[thorny rover]

This should not be food!

YOU TURNED AN INGREDIENT INTO TRASH

[pallid tree]

Gorden Spacy

[glass laurel]

I still haven't cooked in nms XD

[pallid tree]

I'm pretty sure he'll literally eat ferrite

[glass laurel]

I'm pretty sure he can literally eat pugneum

[pallid tree]

Heh, pugs

I think pugnium is a play off of "repugnant"

[glass laurel]

Hmmmmm

[pallid tree]

Oh BTW! cats do exist in nms,see?

[glass laurel]

Cat thing

Robo dogs also exist

[pallid tree]

So does this... thing

[glass laurel]

LOL

[thorny rover]

So does menstruating rainbow baloon

Everything exists

[glass laurel]

LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS IN SPACE

[eternal radish]

I have one.

[icy citrus]

Back to spoilers

[thorny rover]

Welcome back to conspiracy nms

[thorny rover]

Here we have no things such as "its just a game"

[spice gorge]

And this!

er wrong chan

[pearl perch]

What’s that

[thorny rover]

Something

[pearl perch]

I know that it’s something, I just never saw something like that

A bubble being an animal

[thorny rover]

Yeah, the multiverse is weird

[valid pelican]

Long live Atlas

Atlas is real and you are all too stupid to figure it out

[stiff echo]

Not gonna lie, I went to this game just wanting to do my own stuff. I just wanted to not pay attention to the story or anything, I'd just do the missions if I needed to for progression and focus on just surviving in space and building an awesome base
But I'm in the mission 16/16 right now and something about the story - I don't know if it's the way it's being told or what - it's kind of endearing to me.

Only thing I have an issue with the story is my "Space Anomaly" mission seems to be broken all the time. Whenever it tells me to let Nada and Polo know what I discover, I never actually get those choices to talk about them but I still get the progression from it? It feels weird

[stiff echo]

Wait so
I'm on The Purge right now. If I continue from here, ||will everything I've done be erased? Will I have to start again from ground zero?||

I have three options: ||Seek the Final Interface, Complete the Atlas Path and Explore the galaxy||
idk why this choice is so hard lmao]

[thorny rover]

It doesn't, just transports you to a galaxy of your choice.

Also, no need to use spoilers

We are in #nms-spoilers

[stiff echo]

yeah that's fair I just wanted to be safe

also, just remembered the story is what, 3 years old now? 4? I don't actually know when it was added

[thorny rover]

In Atlas Rises

[eternal radish]

Hey is the Waking Titan AR considered canon in NMS or is it considered a separate event?

[thorny rover]

Probably still canon, no reason to decanonize it

[safe kiln]

Waking titan?

[eternal radish]

So the Atlas was really built by humans?

[thorny rover]

Who else, aliens? Hmmm

If you think about it....

[eternal radish]

I thought it was aliens

[thorny rover]

I mean, it is humans, the last traveller, aka us, is meant to be really similar to the Creator

[eternal radish]

Okay

[eternal radish]

So it really has been confirmed it was humans in the AR?

[thorny rover]

I personally didn't go over the AR, but it's a damn posibility

[eternal radish]

Everything I read about it on the internet is kinda vague about it.

[icy citrus]

Yes, we were rescuing what were called "Dreamers" stuck in a simulation by W/RE (WARE) a nefarious organization experimenting with humans.

Telamon was one

👀

Their files gave us a preview of the exosuits we would be wearing once we got bodies in game

[eternal radish]

Okay

I wish I didn't miss this haha

I wonder if the Traveller NPC's are dreamers too

[uncut harness]

the travellers are the Atlas' creation to explore the universe and reset it when necessary @rocky heath

[rocky heath]

So i finished the Atlas and Artemis path, so now what?

[candid lark]

Whatever you want. Get any side quests done

like the base building quests, the dreams of the deep quest, the settlement quests

one they are all done, its true sandbox mode

you just do whatever you want. The game wont provide you with any real direction after that

[quiet bay]

anyone can explain the story in short for me? finished it but idk if there's something i missed or it's it. i chose to not erase the galaxy yet btw but it doesn't feel like an ending

[thorny rover]

There isnt an ending

[quiet bay]

sad

i love good endings, idk if i'll keep playing much since it feels kinda samey

[thorny rover]

Its a sandboxes, its meant to be kept playing

[subtle gorge]

It's very much still canon

[eternal radish]

Okay

I heard the wiki wasn’t always reliable but it said “if considered canon”…

[glass flare]

So doing the expedition was the first time I've ever been to a new galaxy, and I've been playing since launch. I'm surprised HG did that and wonder why they want people to not be in Euclid, considering many new players will continue their saves there. Makes me wonder what they have planned. But also wow, I can understand why people at launch were pissed by the ending. What a bag of nothingburger. I'm surprised HG never went back and did something more meaningful.

What galaxy number does the expedition take players to? Is it just the second one in order?

On the story front I felt like it really failed to deliver on the threat of the Blight -- who they are, what they want, what exactly is going on. It just felt like the expedition set up all this potential narrative and then never really told the story.

[spice gorge]

So on Exp6. Near center and I want to go there but every time I go to the gal map I keep seeing new Orbital Stations -- -Atlas stations. Why? There have been like 6. Is this the Atlas quest I'm now on? I want to complete Exp6. (I've never done the Atlas Quest)

[cedar lintel]

rip ||artemis||

[cedar lintel]

i heard its 60 something?

[spice gorge]

68 I think

[glass flare]

you should be able to select Galactic Core on the destination list and it should point you to the center

I had to install some warp drive upgrades to be able to reach it though

[cedar lintel]

||do i upload artemis to simulation or delete them||

ima save him

[fickle ermine]

Ide rather be asleep than waking up to a lie

[thorny rover]

Is it even a lie, its just life, simulated, mankind, redefined.

[hollow osprey]

Except no other person within the simulation is real, according to Nada.

[eternal radish]

Even other Travellers?

[hollow osprey]

Yep

No other travelers in that simulation

[eternal radish]

NMS plot breaks the 4th wall.

[hollow osprey]

According to Nada

Artemis’ simulation, I mean

[eternal radish]

I have never heard Nada say that

We are real because we are players.

[hollow osprey]

They explain it to you before you upload

[eternal radish]

No Man’s Sky is a simulation because it’s a game.

[hollow osprey]

The people within are also all simulated, Artemis would be delegated to living an entirely fake reality

I’m

Aware. But I’m thinking within the game and how the story is presented.

[eternal radish]

Anomalies/Traveller Anomalies are only real because we are (although according to some scientists even that’s up for debate but that’s another story 🙃). We are just sitting there in front of our computer screens or TV screens playing this simulation.

[hollow osprey]

I think you mean philosophers, not scientists

[eternal radish]

Also scientists. Not just philosophers.

[hollow osprey]

And that is indeed a take on NMS

The Destiny take

Not the one I choose to have for NMS though

But fair enough

[thorny rover]

What is real anyway, who are we to define something that has a larger meaning that we say it has

Who are we to define reality

[eternal radish]

We ourselves in this reality might even be as real or fake as the No Man’s Sky universe.

[hollow osprey]

We didn’t, Nada did

[thorny rover]

Who are we to try and create something, that might not exist

What is the definition of life, if we have no grip on our reality

[hollow osprey]

You just asked what the meaning of life is

[thorny rover]

So mankind, redefined

[hollow osprey]

I don’t think you’re getting that answer here, sadly

[eternal radish]

None of us ever will.

[hollow osprey]

Ehhh

Someone might

I’m sure plenty of people have the meaning to life

[thorny rover]

Is there an answer, to something that can be observed under different views?

[hollow osprey]

Simply that the meaning changes person to person

[eternal radish]

I guess the meaning of life is what we make of it. I think that’s also a moral for the New Beginnings quest after the storyline.

[thorny rover]

Is everything, a mere thought of reality, grasping for understanding

[thorny rover]

Hmm, I guess you could be right

[eternal radish]

We don’t know when the simulation ends (just like we don’t know when our lives will end) and we are just trying to make the best out of it and enjoy our time in the NMS simulation (like we are doing with life).

[hollow osprey]

You guys live?

That sounds unhealthy

[eternal radish]

Well, I try to

[hollow osprey]

You should get that checked up on by a doctor

[thorny rover]

I don't, I just grasp on whatever gives a sense of safety

[eternal radish]

My life, people’s lives, I live.

[hollow osprey]

Sounds REALLY unhealthy

Humans are weird

[eternal radish]

Why?

[hollow osprey]

Well, you have to like

Eat and stuff

Just weird

Humans are weird

[thorny rover]

Are we even humans, or just an iteration, shaped by the bodies of our creators, so ''Mankind, redefined'' could be the new motto.

[eternal radish]

Microbes live too. Not just humans.

Anyways…

[hollow osprey]

You dug me too deep into the joke

I had to keep doubling down.

[thorny rover]

Is God just a creator of our simulation, and we praise him like the Korvax do in NMS?

[hollow osprey]

But yeah I’mma dip if it’s just philosophy conjecture without arguments

[thorny rover]

Is this moment of real importance, if nothing matters

[eternal radish]

What if we are indeed just iterations that manifest as humans in this reality and if it’s a simulation, then if we are playing NMS we are playing a simulation in a simulation .

[thorny rover]

And Nada simulations creates a simulation and so on...

[eternal radish]

I tend to take jokes too literally.

[thorny rover]

Where are we exactly

[hollow osprey]

I feel that.

[thorny rover]

In what layer of simulation

[hollow osprey]

In my opinion No Man’s Sky is an introduction to amateur philosophy—but that’s not a bad thing.
It refuses to explore simulation theory in any real depth but still offers the arguments for and against it, which encourages players to learn more about philosophy and discuss it among other community members.

[eternal radish]

I also love how telepathy is a thing in No Man’s Sky.

[hollow osprey]

It is?

[eternal radish]

Like here

Mind to mind communication.

[hollow osprey]

Ah

[eternal radish]

I love that

[hollow osprey]

The classic Star Trek mindmeld

[eternal radish]

And how your character receives visions from monoliths.

And from some interactions with Korvax where you see symbols in your mind.

[hollow osprey]

Indeed

[eternal radish]

I love how the No Man’s Sky plot has a spiritual aspect to it because of those things.

[hollow osprey]

It’s about philosophy, philosophy is innately spiritual.

[eternal radish]

When I just started playing this game I didn’t expect this level of depth in it.

[hollow osprey]

WDYM?

[eternal radish]

I didn’t expect such a deep storyline. I didn’t even expect a storyline at all because of how it was at launch. I was pleasantly surprised.

[hollow osprey]

Ah

[thorny rover]

Now, why does the Atlas just lets the First Spawn destroy the First Convergence again and again and again?

[hollow osprey]

IMO the storyline was at best surface level and extremely lacking

[eternal radish]

I was like “Wow is this the space game that sucked? I can’t believe it 😮”.

[hollow osprey]

Well it’s insinuated the First Convergence could be the Abyss

So maybe it has no power to stop them/doesn’t want to

[thorny rover]

It's Korvax Prime, just wanted to called it that, sounds better

[hollow osprey]

Yeah that

Korvax Prime

HOOORDE PRIME

[eternal radish]

I thought it was great, but tastes differ.

[hollow osprey]

Oh, I enjoyed it plenty

But it’s not an extremely well-written story

It could use some freshening up, or maybe some additions

A new path or something

[eternal radish]

Yeah. The storyline logic doesn’t add up to why there is multiplayer right now.

The plot states Travellers can’t physically meet eachother but in multiplayer that happens.

[hollow osprey]

Or any real ending. I get it’s a sandbox game, but it builds up tension towards a full on solid ending

And then just doesn’t

[eternal radish]

You mean the story has potential but is not finished?

I figure it’s kinda difficult to give a sandbox game a solid ending.

[hollow osprey]

Yeah.

And it is!

[eternal radish]

Writing a story about infinity

[hollow osprey]

But they could just let you play Sandbox after the ending.

[eternal radish]

We humans can hardly comprehend infinity. Let alone write a story about it.

[eternal radish]

I think simulation reset is the ending of the story.

[hollow osprey]

It’s meant to be

But it’s not a great ending

[eternal radish]

What would you like to see?

[hollow osprey]

I’d like to see a route where we learn how to fix the Atlas or something. The Atlas route led up to that a bit but delivered on something entirely different.

[uncut harness]

what even is the Abyss

[hollow osprey]

Opposing AI to the Atlas

Trying to take control of the simulation

(And doing so, handily)

[uncut harness]

who made it? or did it spontaneously generate?

[hollow osprey]

AFAIK we don’t know

[thorny rover]

But how it could, it's not a matter of something easy, you essentially want to fix the simulation IN a simulation, without the tools needed, very hard, plus the Atlas is corrupted, so any attempt to fix him will only result in more degradation

[hollow osprey]

It controls the Sentinels, though

[thorny rover]

Atlas, most likely

[hollow osprey]

And half of all water in the universe is infected with it

[hollow osprey]

It’s in direct opposition to the Atlas

[hollow osprey]

It’s insinuated to be Korvax Prime, but not confirmed

[hearty bramble]

Except for lava tho

It's a nice drink

[thorny rover]

Yeah, but Atlas made Korvax Prime, aka the Abyss

[hearty bramble]

I'd advice to have some now and agin

[hollow osprey]

I’m not saying fix the simulation but un-corrupt Atlas, basically

I like the Atlas though so I may be biased

[hearty bramble]

Perhaps the sentinels are the corruption tho?

[hollow osprey]

Nah

The Sentinels were directly taken over by the Abyss after they split from the Atlas

[hearty bramble]

They did end up being corrupted in another simulation tho

[hearty bramble]

Ooooohhhhhb ok

[uncut harness]

i mean, an offshoot AI trying usurp its main AI isn't entirely unheard of

[hearty bramble]

So what do we know about the abyss then

[thorny rover]

Yeah, but it's because the security protocol didn't prevent it it

[hollow osprey]

Null, Laylaps and your Minotaur are all servants of the abyss, apparently

[hollow osprey]

Horizon

[thorny rover]

Also Telamon

[hollow osprey]

Telamon

That’s the Minotaur name

Thanks

[uncut harness]

Isn't Telamon the AI in our HUD?

[hollow osprey]

No

It’s the AI we install in our Minotaur

[eternal radish]

Huh?

[thorny rover]

No

[hollow osprey]

Laylaps names it Telamon

Oh

My mistake then

[thorny rover]

He calls us ''Telamon not-Telamon''

[hollow osprey]

What’s the Minotaur AI named?

Ohh

Telamon is us

[eternal radish]

Laylaps mistakes us for Telamon.

[hollow osprey]

Just in a past iteration

[thorny rover]

Isn't said

[hollow osprey]

Ah okay, my mistake

[eternal radish]

Telamon is the exosuit voice who warns you of dangers and such

[uncut harness]

it seems to me that the abyss is trying to coax Telamon to side with the abyss

[hollow osprey]

I see, my mistake

[uncut harness]

Telamon is still a neutral entity as per the story

so far

all this assimilation plots

[hollow osprey]

It’s likely Null, Laylaps and Telamon aren’t direct servants

But indirect

[eternal radish]

I think Laylaps communicated with our exosuit, or the voice inside of it, and when we ourselves talk to Laylaps it mistakes us for Telamon.

[uncut harness]

Telamon trying to assimilate us. Abyss trying to assimilate Telamon and everything to usurp the Atlas

[hollow osprey]

Maybe by furthering our survival they further the possibility for the Abyss to take more control, for example.

[uncut harness]

poor At;as

[eternal radish]

As far as I understand Telamon was the guidance system for the Atlas. Then it “fell asleep” and woke up in our exosuits.

I read this in a boundary failure log.

[uncut harness]

Iteration Daphne is a very nice name

[hollow osprey]

Reason why exosuits hold so much shit: they’re the literal Atlas

[uncut harness]

it doesn't hurt that Daphne is Greek too, matching with the other Greek named iterations

[eternal radish]

Thanks. Daphne is my real name and it has an origin in Greek mythology and since all main Traveller NPC’s have names originating from Greek mythology (Artemis, Apollo, Helios, Selene, Ares etc.) I thought my name would be fitting for my Traveller OC.

[uncut harness]

yea exactly!

[eternal radish]

Fun fact: In Greek mythology Daphne was a nymph who was the daughter the Greek god Peneus. The god Apollo was in love with Daphne and kept stalking her, so she begged her father to change her into a tree.

I imagine scenarios with my Traveller char and Apollo in NMS 🤣🤣🤣

[uncut harness]

Lel

if only the iterations reflect the Greek mythos in some way

but then that'd detract from the alien-ness of NMS

i guess

[eternal radish]

I read on the Wiki that some players suspect Apollo and Artemis to be siblings in NMS because they were siblings as Gods in Greek mythology.

[uncut harness]

what is up with Artemis anyway?

did she exist?

[hollow osprey]

At one point

Yes

[eternal radish]

And that’s why their bond is so close. I don’t see how else Apollo and Artemis could be so close, since in NMS both of them have very different personalities.

[uncut harness]

how'd a simulation end up... so... involved with our universe?

[hollow osprey]

WDYM?

[uncut harness]

hmm... nevermind that question

[eternal radish]

Apollo being a cold hearted fuck who is obsessed with units and hates people and Artemis who is kind, caring and likes meeting new people. How did they ever get along?

[uncut harness]

how'd Artemis end up the way she did?

[hollow osprey]

Portal

Atlas

Glitch

[eternal radish]

A portal collapsed and they ended up in what I suspect to be the Abyss.

[uncut harness]

that's weird. the story doesn't imply that at all. if anything, it's more like Artemis is an entity in a simulation that somehow managed to breach into our universe

i think this because we end up putting her in the Space Anomaly computer simulation storage hardrive thing

[eternal radish]

Nada calls the place Artemis ended up into “the data fall”. The Anomaly travels through the data fall but in a safer manner.

[uncut harness]

hmm... i guess i need to redo the story some time

[eternal radish]

We capture their soul and have the choice upload it into Nada’s simulation or set it free.

[eternal radish]

It’s an emotional rollercoaster lmao

[uncut harness]

this i remember

the rest of the details i don't

i decided to set her free

i don't like the idea of forcing someone to live a lie

[glass flare]

the simulation Artemis is in would also be even less complex than the one in NMS. imagine having to live in that world for eternity, talking to NPCs that have no actual sentience or even intelligent thought. trapped in a cardboard world

[hollow osprey]

Yep.

It's one solar system, it's not nearly as advanced as the Atlas' simulation.

[supple bramble]

this game in a nutshell: hail atlas

???

[thorny rover]

Not really

It's deeper than that

[supple bramble]

then "we live in a simulation" it is

maybe still not that deep…

[thorny rover]

It kinda is, is it really simulation if it feels real? You define your reality

[supple bramble]

sean murray

whyyyyyyyyyyy

[thorny rover]

Plus, who's not to say there is more to go, like how the walking titan AR has given a very blurry line between reality and simulation

[bleak matrix]

What do I do here? All I care about is to be able to get to a green galaxy so I can find a proper paradise planet.

[icy citrus]

Seek

This is the point where finishing the atlas path isn't a bad idea, but also not necessary

[bleak matrix]

Gotcha, thanks !

[dapper hedge]

Okay, so I just finished the quest, “New Beginnings” and, like any civil person, made my way to the lush, loved Galaxy of Eissantan, if that’s how that’s spelt, you know what I mean.
Annnyways, once I got there, all my tech was broken, you know, normal galactic core things… but then I opened my Galaxy map and found that I was 3,000 light years from the center of Eissantan! How rare is this? Aren’t there over a million light years in radial space stuff that I could have spawned? Or did I spawn close because it was storyline, I’m awfully confused because when I warped to Galaxy 11 (I can’t bother trying to spell this one) I was 700,000 light years away, as I suspected would be the case for all warps. Did I hit the lottery in spawns?

Please @ me when responding <3

[icy citrus]

There are some glitches that can occur with galaxy hopping, did you use a blackhole before doing the final choice?

[dapper hedge]

Not at all :D (not that’s not true I entered a black hole like 7 months before but in game play time prolly like 3 story line quests before)

I portalled to around 10k light years away from core in euclid then proceeded to jump 16 times to get “The Purge” complete

[icy citrus]

Visit any atlas station nearby?

[dapper hedge]

But those jumps led me further away from the center, even though my good friend Atlas decided he didn’t care how far away I was he wanted to do me a favor and take me to my new home quickly, how nice of him. By the time I picked galaxies I was probably around 18k light years away

[dapper hedge]

I surprisingly didn’t other than the one of “New Beginnings”

[icy citrus]

There is another way, but I don't know it

@outer cobalt What's the core hopping glitch to end up near the core in your next galaxy?

[outer cobalt]

Use BH prior to core jump, you'll end up near core again after you then core jump (in same play session)

That what you meant @icy citrus ?

[icy citrus]

they didn't do that in this case

[outer cobalt]

Hang on, let me read back here

[dapper hedge]

Bh? 0.o

Nvm 🤦‍♂️

[pallid tree]

Aight so question. The game starts with unknown code 16 and ends with 16 minutes until the simulation terminates. There is nothing after that?

The voice is freedom, the abyss. They are just ideas entities have made up in-between the start and the inevitable end?

[outer cobalt]

Well, there are other times where this happens, although not as clear as the BH way. I would have to dive into some history of these mentions to figure out what else.

[dapper hedge]

If you end up finding out, no rush or anything, feel free to @ me :). I could just be that 1/100000000 player (doubt it)

[outer cobalt]

I just recall that it was initially believed to be related to visiting an Atlas System, until they eventually found out about the BH making it reliably work. I also recall only a few mentions where players like you experienced the same result, without knowing what did the trick, and presumably not having used a BH

This goes all the way back to early 2020 though, making it hard to find any info to this specifically

[dapper hedge]

Ouch

That session was only filled with portals and ~800 light year freighter warps

[outer cobalt]

The NMS wiki appears to have a topic on this as well, although a long read with little info

'Core to Core Jump' IIRC

[dapper hedge]

Thank you

I’ll look into that

[outer cobalt]

I imagine it being hard to repro, but certainly not unlikely for something else to get that 'core location' stuck in data somewhere

[dapper hedge]

Right

[supple bramble]

is it possible to destroy atlas?

[icy citrus]

Not right now

Who knows what the future may bring?

[heady wyvern]

I very well hope there ain't. That's where I keep all my stuff.

[candid lark]

The atlas is dying, it has 16 minutes left outside the simulation. Think of the Atlas being like the Matrix, and we are inside its simulation.

Theres hints that a black hole might have something to do with the Atlas' imminent destruction in the real world

The sentinels used to be under the atlas' control, but seemingly not anymore.

There is also a malevolent entity hinted at called The Abyss, whose aims and purpose arent entirely clear

[thorny rover]

The purpose seems to be freedom

As we find from sentinel files, the Abyss infected waters with modified nanites in a effort for iterations to be free, iirc

[candid lark]

Yeah, the core to core method by using a blackhole to "bookmark" that ring still works.

use a portal to get to the core area (around 5300 LY from core), then a blackhole which will keep you inside that area to bookmark it

then each time you jump, you will start close to the core of each galaxy, if not in a gateway system

[worn rain]

What’s the abyss?

[thorny rover]

@worn rain start from here

[worn rain]

K

[worn rain]

So, the Abyss is some enemy of Atlas?

Also, what exactly happened to Artemis?

[eternal radish]

Hmmm maybe the ultimate goal is to escape the simulation somehow before the Atlas dies?

I also read in the rogue data that in the end someone is coming back for the Atlas. Your character gets a vision about it, seeing a silhouette approaching the Atlas, the Atlas no longer being alone in the end, but it remains unclear of who it is.
Your character sees this person and is like "It is.... It is..... No... It can't be......"

I wonder if it means your character sees themselves outside of the simulation, saving the Atlas?

Or my memory might have been a little wrong. It was the last part where the creator stares in the glass of the machine and that there was a reflection. I wonder who exactly that is? What if it is your character?

We all know the creator is Sean but let's pretend

This makes me curious. What would the Korvax have to do with the creator? There must be a reason they worship the Atlas, right?

And who is the one who will find it? What if our character somehow makes it out of the simulation and will be beside the computer? Mystery is how we managed to go outside.

[uncut harness]

Waking Titan is very much NMS lore and it explains what is happening outside of the simulation, to some extent.

[eternal radish]

I wonder if that next project HG is working on is set outside the simulation

So, according to Walking Titan, the Atlas is just a human experiment, right?

[uncut harness]

`Season One focused on Loop16, an AI out of a series of AIs designed to test simulation theory by harnessing virtually infinite processing power to create a highly complex simulation—standing to match or transcend the complexity of our own universe. This season explored the consequences of using these simulations to predict future events.

Season Two's focus was on W/ARE, a company pioneering the next era of virtual reality technology with advanced non-invasive brain-machine interface headsets that induce artificial lucid-dreams.`

[eternal radish]

I kinda wonder if there was alien tech involved. There must be a reason the Atlas computer stuttered "KORVA" when it scanned it's creator. What if the Korvax exist outside of the simulation and cooperated with humans to build the Atlas and the Korvax inserted themselves within the simulation as a species?

"Infinite processing power" is not something humans have in present day.

[dense quartz]

I always found it funny how the simulation is on thr brink of death yet more and more content is added to the game

From the player's perspective, the simulation was barebones as it was activated and over time blossomed and got better

[eternal radish]

Maybe it's because of the "veil" disappearing?

[dense quartz]

Dunno

I'm still a bit confused if the updates are canonical to the lore or if every new addition retcons past experiences into "No this was always here"

[uncut harness]

We're experiencing stuff that has happened previously.

Current settlements as the example were previously wiped out by Sentinels which is why they attack your Settlement.

[dense quartz]

So like with settlements added, is the lore that they've always been in the universe but you haven't ever come across thrm until after the update?

I guess it depends on the content of the update, yeah?

[safe kiln]

the barriers between universes are failing

[uncut harness]

Closer the universe gets to dying, the more corrupted the data.
Very possible that the settlements we have now are the same ones described in game lore.

[safe kiln]

as the simulation collapses, more things will coalesce or be un-deleted, or any manner of other possibilities

[uncut harness]

👌

[dense quartz]

Undeleted? That confuses my brain. You'd think the opposite would be the case 😅

[uncut harness]

Imagine a hard drive being over written, the underlying data is still there because it hasn't been over written yet.