nms-spoilers

[chilly drift]

could've be an inside joke

[hybrid pendant]

only guess

[rough copper]

Who's to say the pet feature isn't just to test the new creatures they added in origins then? lol

[hybrid pendant]

no because one thing

Beyond put the foundation for pets

[rough copper]

That's the exact same scenario for ambient mode.

Was added in an earlier update, then slightly expanded in the files with a mode select icon.

[chilly drift]

Yea we are not sure at 100%

we can just hypotetize

[rough copper]

Yep..

[chilly drift]

@hybrid pendant Est-ce que tu sais s'il y a eu autre chose de dataminé dans le dernier patch à part pour les animaux de compagnies ?

[rough copper]

I'l ny a rien d'autre

[hybrid pendant]

ca ressemble beaucoup au menu que tu ouvre avec X

une nouvelle option dans le menu

[chilly drift]

okok cimer

[rough copper]

Oui, et le logiciel do Ambienceee est aussi une nouvelle option dans le menu

[chilly drift]

une nouvelle option autre que le truc des animaux ? 😮

[rough copper]

Why the fuck are we speaking french?

[chilly drift]

Easier and faster to write long sentences

for me

[rough copper]

It's my 1.5th language so not for me 😛

[hybrid pendant]

good to mix both lol

[rough copper]

Franglais

[hybrid pendant]

fuck i hate that word

it sound shit when u say it

[rough copper]

Hahaha

[chilly drift]

Angçais

[rough copper]

Engrench

[hybrid pendant]

i feel like the ambience mode logo looks more for when u start the game than in the mini menu

[rough copper]

Yeah it's the exact same style as like creative,normal,survival,permadeath icons

If it's not just intended to be a dev tool, I can see terrain pop in being a reason they never put it on the main branch.

[hybrid pendant]

soo its a mode not like pets logo witch is like an option for the mini menu

[rough copper]

Right they're icons for different menus

Unlike pets though, ambient mode can be accessed with a save editor. Nobody has figured out how to summon pets.

[hybrid pendant]

because maybe the code to summon them isnt there yet?

or is it?

🤔

[rough copper]

No idea lol

[hybrid pendant]

well that makes us advance...

[rough copper]

I don't know why they would be putting in text prompts for non existant things. In the past they add a feature, then later they're like woops we forgot to put the text/dialogue

[hybrid pendant]

crossplay kinda did that

[rough copper]

yeah they added the console icons and things later

[hybrid pendant]

xbox and pc was working but not the rest witch were logos

[chilly drift]

How do you think adopting a pet would work ?

[rough copper]

Probably feed it it's fav food. Used to be that giving them generic pellets wouldn't let you ride creatures, fav food was needed.

[chilly drift]

For me it could be something like you need to feed him, mount and maybe make him go into an enclosure or adopt him with a leash

[rough copper]

So I think they still have an intended use for the second tier of food. Unless I'm forgetting something.

[chilly drift]

Hope that it isnt the only thing in a new update, it's a cool feature but not that useful for what I can foreseen

[hybrid pendant]

u expect something big the first month

its kinda like asking christmas gift in january

[rough copper]

I still want to see the deep oceans Sean talked about before Origins came out. There's apparently a water world planet type they still haven't added.

[chilly drift]

Not something big but maybe a thing like Abyss or Vision

there it seems to be something like Bytebeat

but there were 3~4 months without update

I am greedy i know ^^'

[rough copper]

Would be so cool if they added a pattern editor to the game that you can use to make patterns for base building, suit, ship, multitool, exocraft, freighters, etc.

[wild iris]

didn't we get living ships last feb? that was a pretty big update for early in the year

[hybrid pendant]

that what blender is used for some base builders at the moment

we had updates every 2-3 months

last update was november

[rough copper]

Yeah they went all out last year lol

[hybrid pendant]

soo i have my guess in febuary

[chilly drift]

I think that they'll slow down a bit to concentrate on their other big game

updating for free a game for year is not good for them even tho people keep buying the game

[hybrid pendant]

well u know that last year they were spliting the team betwen nms and their next game

[chilly drift]

Yeah

[hybrid pendant]

and nms still brings MASSIVE revenue to them

[chilly drift]

https://twitter.com/ProceduralTRV/status/1354072827658448897

Procedural Traveller 🚀 (@ProceduralTRV)

@TheLZtweets I'm hoping that this pet feature isn't the headline of the update but instead a neat extra....

Twitter · Jan 26, 2021, 2:24 PM

looks like im not the only one hoping that

[rough copper]

they could be adding pets... and hundreds of new creature parts and textures!! haha in my dreams

[chilly drift]

@hybrid pendant I don't think it's that massive, NMS price dropped a lot by then

[rough copper]

NMS price has remained exactly the same on Steam

it even goes on sale for less than it did 2 years ago

[chilly drift]

yea but it's always on sale

[rough copper]

used to go down to 66 percent off, now 50 percent off is the norm

but every sale the steam player count jumps by like 1000 players

[hybrid pendant]

well i guess being a 100+ million indee studio is "not good" for them

[chilly drift]

And we have also to think that working on the same project for 10 years is annoying

[hybrid pendant]

doesent look like their getting anoyed

[rough copper]

Yeah not one bit really

They definitely want to keep working on NMS, they ported it to current gen consoles.

and crossplay.. they're still invested in its future

Still waiting on the VR 2.0 implementation Sean spoke of when they first added VR 😛

[chilly drift]

what's that ? 😮

[rough copper]

He was not specific, he just said in a video interview to think of the first version of VR they're adding as 1.0 and that they plan to get to 2.0 later down the road.

[chilly drift]

maybe for ps5

I dunno if they can optimize a lot psvr on ps4 rn

[rough copper]

Yeah. I would be happy if they just made it so that the billboard trees always face the camera instead of the direction your body/ship is facing :/

[hybrid pendant]

i think PSVR NMS is done optimising on PS4

[rough copper]

its so weird to see these paper trees everywhere in vr

[hybrid pendant]

remember the experimental before that optimize PS5 PSVR

[rough copper]

Yeah I don't think they can squeeze much more juice out of last gen... I wouldnt mind if they just stopped updating those versions eventually, but then that would break crossplay.

[hybrid pendant]

i dont think they will stop last gen

they will probably wont be able to put some stuff in last gen and make it to pc and next gen

wouldnt break it but last gen wouldnt be able to see what next gen see

[chilly drift]

crossplaying last gen and new gen was a bad idea imo

they are limited on what they can propose

[hybrid pendant]

people would have been mad if it wasnt

soo they said ok we put it so people dont ask for it

its kinda always like this people ask for a feature

get it and say it shouldnt have been in it after

[rough copper]

I could see them dropping last gen in a couple years when its safer. Most people can't even find current gen consoles in stores right now lol

[chilly drift]

I dunno if people would actually be mad

Maybe it was a challenge to propose a mix crossplay between last and new gen on PC

On datamined things with icons I just though about the extra electical parts present since Beyond

[hybrid pendant]

i feel like the pets one is more sorta possible for me

[chilly drift]

yea

I just wish that they add a guild feature sort of like Dofus

And roaming-in ships

[hybrid pendant]

TROP

[chilly drift]

Mec imagine ce serait tellement fun

[hybrid pendant]

space legs isnt something i see coming

[chilly drift]

I mean like you can move while your ship is in space

[hybrid pendant]

beyond already changed the size of ships they would have to get even bigger to have stuff inside it that means changing a lot of interiors and areas to support their new size

[chilly drift]

Space travels are boring rn

Or maybe just add a new type of ships

With a new landing pad just for him

[hybrid pendant]

the best solution wouldnt be to make them space leg

but freighters yes

[chilly drift]

Yea could be nice with freighters if we could make them travel

or frigates

[hybrid pendant]

that would make easier for hello games to do

than redo space stations

the anomaly the archives the comercial stuff

the atlas etc

[chilly drift]

Yea or maybe it can be difficult

yea no

forget

[hybrid pendant]

i still think beyond added the foundations to pets

[nocturne zephyr]

😩

[crisp fern]

gonna have to add more planets again

[rough copper]

I wish that the new planets they added had more than that one terrain type :/

tall skinny mountains everywhere gets kind of old

They had the opportunity to inject as many terrain templates as they wanted, but they just put one

[crisp fern]

too busy making resource nodes

[nocturne zephyr]

the mountains don’t have much form variety in general

[crisp fern]

and animals that are still very basic in behaviors

[nocturne zephyr]

hopefully this pet update focuses on that actually

because if we’re going to get pets, i’d imagine HG want them to behave more naturally and be smarter

In terms of new types of creatures I don’t expect much since we got a ton in origins

Though new parts for the old creatures would be nice

[crisp fern]

tbh i would have taken new behaviors over new creatures

[hybrid pendant]

maybe pets can give new behaviors?

[jolly dew]

I agree with that except for we need new flying creatures and sea creatures

[hybrid pendant]

damn diplos attacking sentinels because they are ur pets

O___O

[crisp fern]

what if they just attacked Sentinels in general because they seemed like big flies

[hybrid pendant]

🤔 not wrong

[jolly dew]

Too many bird like creatures that all look the same as with the sea creatures

[hybrid pendant]

this is getting pokemon teritory for me

[jolly dew]

I also wish wish we could ride flying creatures if there was like a big bird like creature that would be awesome

[hybrid pendant]

yeah i think that would be different controls than those u use for ground creatures

[fierce sonnet]

In case you guys want a .png version of the image 😋

[hybrid pendant]

yup that really look like the summoning logo

[severe sun]

honestly I can see pets being a useful feature, if that is what is planned

farming currently sucks, because you have to take the farm to the animals

and sometimes, the animals will just vanish

[hybrid pendant]

the more i think about it

it wont be just pets but a Creature update

[rough copper]

Here we go let's get hyped

[severe sun]

i think a feature update is still a few weeks away at least

No getting hyped yet

[rough copper]

Let's hope they finally make the descriptions when you scan animals have some relation to what the animal does lol

[hybrid pendant]

i still love reading them

it help me attach me more to them

[severe sun]

Yeah, I kinda like the quirky animal descriptions

[hybrid pendant]

just like the exploration guide

[rough copper]

Same but its dumb when you scan an animal and its like "has green blood" then you shoot it and its blood is the same as all other creatures

[hybrid pendant]

i actually found out like a few days ago when u have the exploration guide when ur in space

it tell u the age of the system

and i saw 10 billions years on one and the star was a red one

and that realistic because those are stars that can live more than 10 billion years

[rough copper]

are the values actually tied to the properties of the systems, or is it just random though?

[hybrid pendant]

i dont know

but founded it quite fitting to the star color

but its good description and add a sort of history to the system

like u know now if u are in a old system a young system

even a baby system

[rough copper]

For sure, would be nice if all the empty flavor text had actual meaning to the world though.

It adds to the experience, but nowhere near what it would add if it was actual descriptions

Scan a rock, it says it melts easy... but it melts at the same rate as every other rock of its size on every planet. Just little things like that could give each planet a more unique feel.

[hybrid pendant]

well it wasnt added that long ago

that was added back in september soo

[rough copper]

Those descriptions were added in NEXT

[hybrid pendant]

its kinda fresh

nope the explorer guide is from origins

[rough copper]

I'm talking about scanning plants, rocks and animals

[hybrid pendant]

oh yeah

[rancid ether]

Discovery update. Just adds narration by David Attenborough

[rough copper]

they never took it further than empty flav text, instead they added more types of empty flavor text

[hybrid pendant]

i want it expanded for sure

this is something that i found a bit later and that is underated that origins bringed for me

[rough copper]

How does the map of the planet even work? the one that shows your position.. its a 2d image of a planet, but the planets are 3d.

[hybrid pendant]

?

a map?

[rough copper]

on the discovery screen

theres a little cursor representing where you are if you're on that planet. but its 2d lol

[hybrid pendant]

i dont think it does

[rough copper]

Yes, it does

[hybrid pendant]

the only way would be verticaly

if ur close to the north u be up

and south down

[rough copper]

yeah that's what im getting at

why they even add it if it doesn't include all the dimensions to actually show where you are?

would make sense if they used a different map projection that could show the whole planet surface in one 2d image... but the images are just generic anyways and dont represent the actual planet features.

[hybrid pendant]

i will test it later

[rough copper]

Yeah will be interesting to learn how they are mapping a 3d sphere onto a 2d circle lol

[covert wing]

ooh news

[rancid ether]

Simple, they only reference x and y (or z i guess)

[rough copper]

right, so its basically useless

[rancid ether]

Correct.

[rough copper]

better off just giving out the coord readout on your ship

[rancid ether]

It could be useful if they decide to use all 3 positions though. Im surprised they dont tbh. An update to the Discoveries page that shows all discovered waypoints would be great. Or a way to discovere points of interest using something other than the charts. Maybe an orbital base that you feed nav data 🤔 🤔

[hybrid pendant]

@covert wing did u saw the datamining?

[rough copper]

That would be so much better

[hybrid pendant]

we already have N and South on the top visor

dont know if they added east and west

[rough copper]

lol wasn't it originally just north?

[rancid ether]

Those are converted from Cartesian positions iirc to polar coords for the ui.

I know the save file shows your cartesian position with the planets center as referenced origin

You can actually use that to determine a planets radius by going to the poles and getting the reference value for z i believe (or maybe y, cant remember)

[covert wing]

@hybrid pendant not seen, no

[hybrid pendant]

its that

[crisp fern]

but if this is bringing the animals to the farm, that's less a pet update and more of a livestock update, no?

[crisp fern]

interesting thing to mention regarding the coordinate discussion, & I'll tag in @rough copper for this too, is that they do have some way of determining the z-value if the underwater depth measurements are anything to go off of.

So it's not only info exclusive to the save & in the background, but also recently something (re)surfaced in in-game readouts

I say resurfaced because I think for awhile we had a crude altimeter in ships that was replaced by planetary coordinates that ditched the height/depth values.

[hybrid pendant]

@rough copper 🤔

[rough copper]

yeah so does it just show you on the edge if youre on the "other side" of the planet? lol

[hybrid pendant]

let me test

[nocturne zephyr]

tbh the little marker on the planet in the discovery menu is kinda confusing

doesn't really give me an idea of where i am

though i like the addition of this feature and hope it's improved

[rough copper]

yeah that's what we're talking about. They gave us a 2d picture of a planet to use as a map for 3d planets

[nocturne zephyr]

right. doesn't make sense

[rancid ether]

Yeah, were talking about devs that pumped maths as the basis for the universe development. They definitely know how to do a Cartesian to spherical conversion, and its likely already being used (or maybe something more efficient 🤷).

[hybrid pendant]

yeah its just a line of code right?

[rancid ether]

I think I even asked in #nms-modding at one point if it was possible to convert those positions to make a coordinate overlay for old versions of the game that didnt have planetary coordinates yet.

[hybrid pendant]

Easy Fix ™️

[rancid ether]

Idk, im unsure what the game is made with other than some xml and lua

Tbf, it is a line of code for some lamguages. I just doubt they used those here

[hybrid pendant]

so how do we know its simple ?

[rancid ether]

Oh, i mean, it probably isnt. Im not a game dev, i just write scripts as needed for engineering work.

[rough copper]

TEXTURES\PLANETS\CREATURES\SHARED\PETHARNESS.BASE.DDS

[rancid ether]

Ok but what is that in png? 😅

[rough copper]

Fuck if I know lol, just going through the list of new files haha

[rancid ether]

I think you can copy it and change the file extension to png to get an image. Dont quote me on that though.

[mental socket]

so umm

[rough copper]

No like I literally downloaded the txt file thats just a list of whats new, I didn't look myself. I'm too lazy to extract files.

lo2k posts it in the modding discord in the resources channel

[mental socket]

anything else in the pet stuff

ah

[rough copper]

looks like only 4 of the rigs have harnesses made that are in the files. rodent, trex, spider and strider.

[mental socket]

so sad

I wanted flying pets

[rough copper]

@rancid ether https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289099380600864768/803682306195062855/CRC_File_Changes_6096641_19jan21_-_6126163_26jan21.txt

[hybrid pendant]

@rough copper i found something interesting

remember i was here

[rough copper]

ya

[hybrid pendant]

i i folowed through the south marker

and im here ^^

[rough copper]

so you think maybe you are on the far side?

[hybrid pendant]

no i think im closer to the south pole

or even on the south pole

[nocturne zephyr]

i wonder how large of an area we have to be able to discover the 'creatures in the south'

btw, are those discoverable creatures always in the south, or have you guys ever seen one in the north or east/west

[hybrid pendant]

im confused

[nocturne zephyr]

same tbh

[hybrid pendant]

so it does use horizental and vertical

[wind panther]

There are also generic shared harnesses

[wind panther]

There are wing accessories you can probably add to the pet to get it to fly

[plucky sleet]

i need a diplo asap

also this makes hunting down a machine animal that much more necessary

i have yet to find one on my own

[mental socket]

Huh? What are they called in the files then?

I'm curious

[nocturne zephyr]

whut

probably will be that you just add wings to your pet and they don't fly at all

just like all the walking fauna with wings

[mental socket]

so umm

might this one be the new pet thing?

UI\COMPONENTS\PETLAB.MBIN

idk

[rancid ether]

Nah, thats the multitool expansion slot

Looks like the old Sodium Diode artwork from before Origins

[nocturne zephyr]

hmmmmm pet lab!

that suggests pets will be a more complex system

maybe combining a variety of fauna parts

[hybrid pendant]

https://twitter.com/ProceduralTRV/status/1354181131265073152?s=19

Procedural Traveller 🚀 (@ProceduralTRV)

Got some more new data-mined stuff for you: A folder has been found called "pet accessories".. I think we're talking about robotic pets here NOT animals like we originally thought. I mean going by the accessory names it screams to me robots that we can build! #NoMansSkySpoilers

Twitter · Jan 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

[mental socket]

oh heck

[nocturne zephyr]

i suppose robot pets could be more useful

[hybrid pendant]

its not just that

there more

https://twitter.com/ProceduralTRV/status/1354181744975556608?s=19

Procedural Traveller 🚀 (@ProceduralTRV)

A selection of these "pet accessories" seen through model-viewer: I think it's pretty clear that this is either some sort of space armour for animal pets OR the most logical scenario... the "pets" are in fact robots.....

Source: NMS Modding Discord

Twitter · Jan 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

space base ?

and a ship part on the right ?

[crisp fern]

fauna synthesizer that flaps wings as it synthesizes fauna

[nocturne zephyr]

that image doesn’t really look like a robot pet

probably space base parts or maybe they’re adding satellites to space

[crisp fern]

it's the spare parts bin

[hybrid pendant]

@crisp fern witch means ?

it was added a shit long time ago i guess ?

this isnt new

[warm notch]

Lol that's my pic

Robot parts stuck to creatures seems pretty strange imo. It will be interesting to see how this turns out

[warm notch]

Also that wasn't that good of a pic, I was in a rush. Here's a better one showing each one individually as they show in the file

[uncut harness]

Hmm, looks cool!

[hybrid pendant]

for me what important is that if its new files or it was here before ?

[wintry sparrow]

Should I ||Reset simulation||?

[uncut harness]

So, we're getting Automaton from Fallout 4? I kinda dig it

Instead of hunting for creatures to make them our pets, we'll be building and customizing our own robotic followers

[wintry sparrow]

This game hates me. ||I spawned in and died immediately since everything was broken. Lost all my progress on atlas seeds||

[hybrid pendant]

@uncut harness could be more than pets

but sean said once feature are ready they release it

like exo mech it wasnt released at a time we needed them but with origins it sorta works now

[wind panther]

@hybrid pendant Seems to be as labelled, pet accessories. Those will be ways to make the pet actually useful instead of just decorative

[hybrid pendant]

im confused betwen pet acessories and space base parts but its in pets folderr soo

[wind panther]

yeah, not sure how the assets will plug in exactly, but that's what it seems like to me

[hybrid pendant]

because the part on the right i dont see how it could be used on pets

maybe to make them fly?

[wind panther]

I feel like Cassandra, shouting for months about pets, then all the sudden everyone is "OMG, there might be pets!"

That's what I'm thinking

So they can fly with you on jetpack

[wanton path]

reminds me something like this

[hybrid pendant]

well it could be 3 things for me

robot animals

habitats for pets

[wind panther]

The pets are definitely biological

[hybrid pendant]

or space parts but that would be weird to have it in that folder

[wind panther]

There's mention of clones and recording of planet address and seed value

[hybrid pendant]

@wind panther recording of planet adress ??

weird

[wind panther]

They have harnesses, which I don't think are visible yet, and might be how they attach

Yeah, so you find the pet and 'catch' it, probably record it in some freighter room, then clone it whenever you want

[hybrid pendant]

sorta a way to reproduce it

seed value would be maybe for modding support ?

[wind panther]

the seed of the animal I think

so you can get the specific animal from that planet

[hybrid pendant]

oh ok

i dont think its just pets i think it will be a sort of Creature update

[wind panther]

I've seen a few people say that. I just don't know what they would do to creatures in general

[hybrid pendant]

behaviours reproduction the way they interract with the trees or others on the planet their own

[wind panther]

Oh, yeah, they could do that pretty easily. I mean it might be hard, but they wouldn't have to change a lot of underlying code.

[hybrid pendant]

rayrod i remember said the code for falling trees was still there no ?'

[wind panther]

I have no idea on that

[hybrid pendant]

hmmm

a lot of people are gonna get disapointed even if its a creature update but its the first 2 months of 2021

like we arent gonna get cities or combat overhaul on the first months

[covert wing]

We're never getting cities

[native holly]

Yet

[covert wing]

The game still can't really handle larger bases on PS4

We might get something resembling cities using the same format as the derelict freighters but I doubt that's what people mean (even if it'd probably be the better solution)

[warm notch]

Some players are saying 3.15 just launched to PS5, can anyone else confirm this?

[severe sun]

someone said the same about xbox being updated

so I'd assume thats accurate

[rain sky]

Pets! I want pets! I've got all these adorable teddy bears roaming around my base and I was just thinking I'd love to be able to make little pens for them and automatic feeders and such

(I know that's likely not what's coming, more like build-a-pet, but still)

[mighty rampart]

for all we know they threw us a curveball just to mess with us

[placid latch]

Hey spoiler people, anything to look forward to in this 11gb download on my PS4?

[mighty rampart]

nope

its a bug/performance fix

[placid latch]

Oh, bugfix and optimisation?

Ah

Shame.

[mighty rampart]

but I'm convinced we'll get a content update next month

[placid latch]

I won’t hold my breath but I’ll cross my fingers

[uncut harness]

the next update will be about ||pets|| according to leaks

[strong bluff]

There were any new leaks?

[uncut harness]

@covert wing I mean the next gen Updates are also not available for PS4 and the old Xbox right?Just because the old consoles can’t handle them doesn’t mean we‘ll never get them, old gen will inevitably get left behind sooner or later. It technically already happened with the next gen Update

[covert wing]

There's a difference between graphical/optimization upgrades and actual gameplay features

[uncut harness]

Idk to me it kinda does feel like a different game actually. Next Gen NMS feels much more alive than old Gen NMS which has very little fauna and flora in comparison. The two versions already feel different due to that

[mighty rampart]

still its very doubtful they would release an update that just wont work on the old consoles

[covert wing]

In that case PCs had a "different game" for a long ass time already

[mighty rampart]

oh yeah there's that too

[uncut harness]

I mean eventually they would have to if they want to keep the game alive

[covert wing]

why

[mighty rampart]

not really?

they can do new things without it becoming totally unplayable on older consoles

[uncut harness]

It depends on the features

But apparently old gen would already struggle with things like procedurally generated waterfalls

[covert wing]

Dude

We don't even know if the engine supports something like that

Also what does "procedurally generated" even mean in that context

[uncut harness]

Oh i dont mean it literally

[mighty rampart]

for all we know it can support it

[uncut harness]

Point is

It can?

[mighty rampart]

why not

[covert wing]

Because it's a waterfall

[uncut harness]

What i mean is that old consoles are only in the way of adding nee complex features in the future

[covert wing]

Features such as:

[uncut harness]

As you said yourself, we will never get cities while hinting at old gen

[mighty rampart]

we can get cities, just not in the way people want

[covert wing]

You have to use mods to circumvent engine limitations even on pc for really large bases

[mighty rampart]

I dont think they'll ever do anything in a huge scale like the cities we imagine, and it would likely be something closer to the Archive buildings which mind you are gigantic by itself

but load fine on ps4/xb1

[uncut harness]

Idk old gen feels really clunky to me and im not optimistic about it being able to handle new updates well, especially if we want more complex features

I recently did the switch to pc myself, was playing on a ps4 pro before that

And despite much better graphics and way more flora/fauna, the load times and rendering is non-existent compared to what I experienced on my PS

[covert wing]

Are you on an ssd?

[severe sun]

No, I'm on a chair

[uncut harness]

Nice.

[severe sun]

(I would like to try NMS on my ps5 but that'd mean buying it...)

[covert wing]

I would like some news

[severe sun]

3.15 has been released 😮

[uncut harness]

You mean my PC foil? Obviously i‘m on an SSD, but the game in general feels much smoother. Or can you actually build SSD‘s into your PS or rather use an extern one? Didn’t actually think about that one

[covert wing]

PS5 comes with an ssd and has basically no load times

So that whole thing primarily boils down to the PS4 e.g. running on an old fashiond hdd

[uncut harness]

Oh yeah, that actually makes sense. Still I‘m kinda pessimistic about how much old gen can support and whether it holds back new complex features,they otherwise would have integrated into the Game

[vocal flare]

found my new living ship, although its pure white with a red glow

[chilly drift]

So update 3.15 added something new ?

[trim dune]

it's most likely the experimental update that's on steam

[chilly drift]

So near 5Go just for few bug fixes

[trim dune]

console updates are always bigger

[chilly drift]

And

like

this update is targetted for new gen and pc but still updates last gen

they just added the files for the next update but they are not fully ready to reveal it

[last anchor]

Just a bug fix and improvement to psvr

Likely another update next week

[split wave]

this is where I can ask a question regarding spoilers correct?

[pure pulsar]

hey guys, has the latest update been datamined? i saw someone mentioning it on twitter

sorry, scrolled up and read about it, dont mind me

[last anchor]

@pure pulsar yes it has they found files regarding pets but some new data mined models makes people think they may be robotic pets

[split wave]

I had been looking into this remembrance thing trying to figure out if it had any real use. turns out it mostly doesn't. but then I see this thing called a star seed

and you only get the blueprint if you chose to birth a new star?

what did that option even do? I chose to return to the galaxy. did that choice actually make a difference? up until that choice I thought none of the options had any real long lasting effects on gameplay. just dialog stuff and I had always assumed this one was no different?

[jovial stag]

end of the Atlas Path has 2 options
• finishing the quest gains you the ability to see black holes on the galaxy map
• birthing a new star results in the above and you also being given the blueprint for the Star Seed

The Remembrance is obtained at the end of the Artemis quest line and it allows you to enter the back room in some buildings/space stations and interact with a terminal for some lore

Installing both the Star Seed and the Remembrance to the suit gains you some extra health as shown by the increased number of +'s shown at times on the top left of the HUD

see this for the black hole indicator #nms-spoilers message

[split wave]

so there is literally no reason to pick to continue in the galaxy and it only has the negatives of never being able to get all of the technology?

this sounds like a shitty design, why is this a thing?

[jovial stag]

choices have consequences ... so save often and if you don't like the consequence of your choice reload and make another one.

[split wave]

I mean wouldn't it seem like you actually made the right choice? you get to stay in your galaxy and keep exploring. how would anyone view that as a negative consequence? there is 100% no way to know that the other choice does the exact same thing except it just gives you 1 time only tech I guess is my issue with it was all.

any chance we can talk the devs into changing the 2 options to.

Option 1. Stay in your Galaxy and keep exploring
Option 2. Stay in your Galaxy and keep exploring and also get a piece of 1 time only technology

[jovial stag]

any chance we can talk the devs into changing the 2 options to.
@split wave I highly doubt it

[split wave]

but you at least admit the the blind nature of the extra secret reward locking the player out of ever getting it for what seems like the most obvious choice. doesn't seem like a great idea right? >.>

I have to assume most people would pick to keep exploring in the galaxy right? or is that just me

[rancid ether]

Sorry, are you saying that both options should allow you to go to a new galaxy? Or are you saying both options should give Remembrance blueprint (i thought this was already the case)

[jovial stag]

Atlas Path so Star Seed blueprint ... 😉

[split wave]

@rancid ether does picking the other option force you into a new galaxy?

I had no idea and it has never been said that was the case. I couldn't find that on the wiki, but I probably just missed it

[rancid ether]

Atlas Path can be repeated though, so you can always find another station, and make another HotS to birth a star (and get Star Seed).
As for the new galaxy question, no, only resetting the sim gives you that option. Getting to another galaxy without that is no longer the difficult task it used to be.

[split wave]

oh you can redo the atlas path on playthroughs?

[rancid ether]

Ask Polo for the location to an Atlas Station, and you can birth a star as many times as you like

[split wave]

ah ok if picking the other doesn't lock you out of ever getting that tech then I can understand it, but now you say you can birth a star as many times as you like?

what do you mean by that? what does it actually do besides give you that piece of tech the first time you do it?

I swear I tried to look all this up on wiki before I came here

[rancid ether]

I dont know, i guess give you multiple opportunities to get the blueprint or the starborn title.

Yeah, the wiki is simultaneously outdated and had a lot of stuff missing now

[split wave]

ah ok, thought there might of been some side effect you were alluding to I gotcha

I'll go to Polo and try it when I get home tonight

[rancid ether]

Yep, and ive said it before, im not trying to crap on the wiki handlers, its just that its definitely still quite a mess after so many updates.

[split wave]

I mean it sounds like the wiki was right, I just couldn't understand why the 2 options gave you the exact same outcome only one gave you a secret (only reason I found it was I was trying to search what the rememberance actually did) piece of tech you would never know about and it just didn't say you could repeat the mission I guess

its all good

[crisp fern]

doesn't help that many of the other wiki editors are more preoccupied with making player civ related pages and fanfic than they are with documenting the game but 🤷‍♀️

[lean mountain]

That’s any game wiki

Just ask the Super Mario Wiki guys :V

[prime inlet]

it's a part of one of the core to core jumping methods. cc @rancid ether

other than that, being able to redo the atlas path is only useful if one didn't know about star seed

[rancid ether]

You could do c2c without it though, right? Just need to ask polo when you're near the core?

[prime inlet]

the other method is the one i (we?) use, that simply requires a bh jump

[rancid ether]

Wait...is the black hole trick not core to core? Oh man, please enlighten me haha

[prime inlet]

there's 2 methods to c2c: discovered first, requires atlas path/birthing a new star+core warp. shortly after, the black hole+core warp method was discovered.

[rancid ether]

What does birthing a new star actually do? I was always told it was a flavor thing

Ok, just read the wiki entry on it. Peacebomb has ridiculous dedication to finish getting to all 255 manually before the black hole trick was discovered

[mortal heath]

I would like to know myself. I've birthed enough to start a few systems

[rancid ether]

Acoording to the wiki (ahem), the star birth method was actually not what triggered the core to core warp but the black hole prior was discovered to be the reason for it. I never knew about the original theory on it, but can at least confirm it works with just a black hole.

[mortal heath]

When I went to a few different galaxies a while back I just took advantage of portals since they removed the portal interference

[rancid ether]

Idk, the wiki could be sparing some details on the original method. I'd say I would try it later but I've been making some empty promises regarding testing things lately due to... distractions (its space dwarves).

[mortal heath]

So I'm not the only one that gets distracted and don't get around to doing some of the things I had planned on doing

[rancid ether]

I have like 2 or 3 multitool collections that are partially complete but im too lazy to finish them. I bought too many games during the Steam sale so NMS has been getting less of my time lately.

[mortal heath]

I've been looking for different game lately. I took Subnautica Below Zero as far as I can go before the final release. I've also started playing the Long Dark. I stopped playing when I was about to die and the game wouldn't let me start a fire anywhere in the area I was in . The time before I had to go all the way back to where I had built a fire. Even then it wouldn't let me build the fire in the same location. I had to move it over a little.

[rancid ether]

I know a lot of folks want to see an ocean update for NMS, though, i dont know how you can add content similar to Subnautica without adding substantial hazards. I get that players want perfectly peaceful planets that look just like earth, but some of us do want to see hazards, predators, sentinels, and other dangers. As far as different games to look at, lets discuss it in #other-games

[mortal heath]

I wasn't wanting to discuss it I just mentioned another game I had found

[rancid ether]

Yeah, thats one i have to finish too. I also got my butt kicked by The Long Darks survival mechanics. Maybe they could add starvation and stuff to NMS in the future or something.

[crisp fern]

Not...Really? I've edited other wikis that are much better about separating community stuff from game info, so that you're not frequently seeing community stuff over game pages

[jovial stag]

I know a lot of folks want to see an ocean update for NMS
@rancid ether I would love to see really deep oceans on some planets

[crisp fern]

whaddya talkin' about, we got the Abyss 😛

[jovial stag]

something about 7 or 8k units deep would be nice

[rancid ether]

If they raised the water level of some of the mountainous planets, that would honestly be way more than plenty. Those mountainous planets have some massive cliff/dropoffs

[crisp fern]

Do we have any heights that breach 100+ units? Scaling up/down either way would be cool

I think I've very rarely seen depths nearing 100u, so would suppose similar for elevations

[rancid ether]

Mountainous planets have cropped tops in some cases because they reach the 2000u atmosphere point. When using the range finder on the visor, the valleys between peaks are something like 1500u down. Far enough down that fog starts to cover the area after about 600u.

[rancid ether]

omg...that would be so deadly haha.
Have you ever fallen down one of those mountain ranges? You just keep falling...for like 20 seconds straight.
Imagine being at the bottom of that and suddenly running out of oxygen/life support gels...😱

It would definitely make the nautilon very useful again (opinions aside on whether it was ever useful)

[jovial stag]

I've fallen down some mountains in Elite and the SRV did not survive even when its being repaired on the way down 😉

[opaque swift]

Is the galactic core mission something u need to do for the story or does it mean I beat the story and chose this ending

[rancid ether]

You're on The Purge, just start warping and the mission info should update.

I should say, If you're on The Purge mission

[opaque swift]

How many times should I warp and to where

Yea I am

[rancid ether]

Just start warping towards the center for now

It will give you more info as you do

[opaque swift]

Which ways the center lol

[rancid ether]

bright light, cant miss it

[opaque swift]

Ok ty

Which ending do u suggest

[rancid ether]

reset vs stay?

[opaque swift]

Ye

[rancid ether]

how much spoilers do you want?

[opaque swift]

All it doesn’t matter

[rancid ether]

If you plan on resetting, when you get to the part where it says "Locate teh final interface" switch to a junk ship and worst multitool you own

Resetting lets you go to a new galaxy

Staying doesn't really give you anything iirc

And even if you reset, you can always come back using a teleporter

[opaque swift]

So resetting is the best option?

[rancid ether]

"Best" is subjective. I usually reset when i do a playthrough, but some find it a hassle

your ship, multitool, and exosuit will be totally broken after resetting (unless hidden in Tech tab). You'll have to repair everything

[opaque swift]

Ok thanks ima reset then so I can pick the green galaxy

Is it true u get all glyphs auto unlocked once u finish it

[rancid ether]

Yeah, you'll get all the glyphs during The Purge as you star warping

[opaque swift]

Ok bet cause I cba finding the travelers lol and I wana get s class stuff

[rancid ether]

Yeah, imagine warping over 16 times and having to search for travelers

[opaque swift]

Lol

I warped like 32 times so far and found only 1

[rancid ether]

ouch, well, at least you got to explore

[opaque swift]

Yup

Thanks for the help

[loud haven]

I have a question; what's the incentive to actually focus on getting to the center? I'm pretty content just thoroughly categoring each planet in a system, doing board missions, and unlocking tech/finding vehicles I like/working on my base and freighter's fleet.

[fringe jungle]

It's mostly just because. If you are having fun doing what you are doing, the center can wait.

[hidden shale]

I have a question about the story, when will I unlock the starbirth missions, some dm tell me

Or just ping*

I finished the atlas and the new galaxy and all of that

[uncut harness]

@hidden shale I think you have to buy the void egg at the multiplayer space station for quicksilver

[hidden shale]

Ok

Amma do that

Thanks thedriver-entity

[uncut harness]

HOLD

Sorry I couldn't resist

[crisp fern]

exploring more undiscovered space. The first galaxy is more well-documented courtesy of being the first, whereas other galaxies, excluding Eissentam, are less well-documented.

[uncut harness]

So what do you think the next update is going to bring? Pets, ship's color customization, space bases? What else?

[fierce sonnet]

I made a video for Procedural Traveller and Captain Steve's Nexus Lounge stream tonight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Q2PWAL7W0), taking a closer look at the Pet Accessories that people have discovered, hope all of you enjoy what was found, let the speculation and hypetrain roll! 🎉
https://youtu.be/YbvtxkEsYBU

[tawdry mica]

I hope that's legit

[fierce sonnet]

Well the models exist in the game files, we just can't be sure if Hello Games will use them or not 😅

[severe sun]

it could be just because they're untextured and lacking a bump map, but the parts don't seem very... NMS-y

maybe placeholders

[fierce sonnet]

Yeah I couldn't get the NMS textures that are in the game files to load correctly on the models, so I just added some simple shading so we can make out the corners of the models 😋

[severe sun]

it's nice work either way, if you can get the textures to load I'd love to see it

[fierce sonnet]

Thank you! Will let you know if/when I do 😁

[reef gulch]

a7BEEcHBUm4

Apologies,lol dropped something on keyboard:)

[uncut harness]

@fierce sonnet Nice video

Interesting to see the parts share the octagon shape

Reminds me of docking head used for robots on production lines

Maybe there robots will have a frame with multiple attachment points

And those parts will connect with them

[fierce sonnet]

Thank you 😁 , yeah I agree about the dock. But it feels strange since the summonPets logo has a paw, which makes me think biological pets. But the parts in the accessories file feel like they belong on robots 😅

[uncut harness]

Or could be pets with backpacks / canisters / antennas

[mortal heath]

I think it would be helpful if they'd make the current exocraft more functional. There's only a couple that I use very much at all.

[merry flume]

hey guys

i have a question

im currently at atlas stage four

the count up to stage 16

will my game essentially reset once I get to the final stage

cuz i really dont want that to happen

[severe sun]

||Nope||

[merry flume]

kewlk

kewl*

[severe sun]

If you've built a base you'll be fine

if you haven't built a base, you'll still be fine, but with extra steps

[compact coyote]

For some reason the star of a system moves around the planets. I think they should change that.

Do an entire space overhaul.

Stars, nebula, black holes etc

[lean mountain]

Apparently planets used to move and stuff but it confused players, they couldn’t find anything after staying on a planet for a while

[mental socket]

That was also way before a proper waypointing system was implemented

Well they had the default ones for settlements etc but nowadays ppl can just place down beacons and base computers

[outer relic]

Maybe they could bring back planets moving, but also add like a GPS thingy that tells you where the planets are when you’re in space.

Then people could find stuff but also have moving planets.

[neat rain]

I would love a star system map that just shows the system you’re in

[wintry sparrow]

Hopefully I will have my living ship tomorrow

[compact coyote]

Yeah they should add planet moving around a star again

Closer planets= farther planets= colder. And the habitable zone. For some

[neat rain]

Personally I’d like to see some function when it comes to the two and three star systems, all it really looks like is more than one bright light, doesn’t seem to do anything else.

[south blaze]

there we go, thanks for all the help along this quest, @prime inlet @rancid ether and all others who helped getting my quests done and answering stupid questions!!

[compact coyote]

would you guys like physical stars in the future?

[rancid ether]

I can hear the complaints of the future
"why did they even bother putting stars in the game if they just kill you immediately?"

[compact coyote]

lmao theyd have to be stupid to be so close to a star

[outer relic]

Give a big warning if they get too close, don’t even let them pulse directly towards it, etc. It seems like it would be easily preventable.

[crisp fern]

alternatively:
"what's the point of this? i can't do anything with it and it gives me nothing"

[compact coyote]

Lmao yup. Hate those ones

[drifting pulsar]

I kind of expected everything to shake heavily the closer you got, and then a respawn with everything broken. I tend to attempt a stardive every other update to see if it's added or not.

[uncut harness]

My suspicion is that the pet accessories are probably going to be applicable to the synthetic fauna you can find in uncharted systems - Hello Games added them earlier purely because they did a fauna reset with Origins and they didn't want to do it again - but they were probably meant to be released with the pets update

[stuck hinge]

news

[hidden shale]

Spoiler mode

Activated

[native vortex]

[hidden shale]

Everything is a simulation

[native vortex]

Inderd

[hidden shale]

And

Artemis is des

Ded...

[native vortex]

I beat nms lol

[hidden shale]

Wait @native vortex

Artemis is in a simulation inside a simulation

[native vortex]

Lol

[hidden shale]

;-;

Thats like

Next level stuff

[native vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-simulation-rick-simulation-morty-simulation-gif-18474861

[hidden shale]

Lol

[native vortex]

Not the right one but it works

[hidden shale]

Ok Ill have to go

Wait

https://c.tenor.com/VXly5iMcihsAAAAM/nomanssky.gif

Ok goodnight

[indigo smelt]

@uncut harness Because antagonizing does not mean the same as having a conflict.

Protagonist and Antagonist require conflict, but it does not require good or evil

[uncut harness]

There is no conflict between the player and the Atlas

[indigo smelt]

But there is

[uncut harness]

What then

[indigo smelt]

The atlas does not want you to break free and cause havoc in the simulation, he does not want you to break the simulation

[uncut harness]

You mean the Atlas doesn't want you to LITERALLY KILL IT?

[indigo smelt]

Yes

[uncut harness]

Oh shoot guys I guess not wanting to die makes you the antagonist

[indigo smelt]

No

[uncut harness]

He doesn't even do anything to stop the player

[indigo smelt]

The player in the artemis story wants to escape the constraints that the atlas puts upon him.

[uncut harness]

What constraints?

[indigo smelt]

1. The ability to visit other travelers
2. The constraint that is mortality

[uncut harness]

You're just making shit up

Neither of those were claimed to be points of conflict. No one was mad, no one wanted to retaliate.

[indigo smelt]

Its not madness, its not anger, but it is a conflict.

[outer relic]

Maybe you personally had an ideological conflict with the atlas, but it’s never said that your character does

[indigo smelt]

But the atlas does try to retaliate when you step too far, for example, the first time you go through the portal

[uncut harness]

Y'know maybe if I go to the college board I can get my money back from my AP Literature classes, because they clearly taught me nothing I guess

[indigo smelt]

Its strongly implied

I guess your AP literature isn't that valuable, also anyone can claim to be a student on the internet. This is basic stuff.

This is basic literature

[uncut harness]

Literally find me dialogue that implies even slightly that the Atlas is working against the protagonist

The Atlas does not care about the player

[indigo smelt]

Multiple:

1. --null-- was punished for defying the traveler. The traveler tells you that he was too selfish.
2. You try to enter the portal, but get removed by the Atlas itself. One time, you face him personally. Another time, you are told by Apollo or --null-- that the Atlas prevents you from meeting Artemis.
3. In the story, Artemis asked the Atlas why it is mortal, the Atlas answered that Artemis will be one of many. Artemis however, did not want to die, he wanted to explore forever.

In some sense, the Artemis story is about NMS itself. Its meta.

Apollo did not want to die, that is why he did not reset the simulation.

He was punished for it.

[uncut harness]

1. How does that make the Atlas against the player

2. How does that make the Atlas against the player

3. The Atlas making someone mortal doesn't make it against the player.

[indigo smelt]

Except all of these examples are things that could happen to you, they are warnings.

Reminder: You shouldn't be allowed to speak to other travelers in the first place, that by itself is a glitch. Atlas is breaking apart.

[uncut harness]

"He's so mean! At one point he even... checks notes... gave people lifespans and... checks notes again... doesn't want you to kill him..."

[outer relic]

They aren’t really examples of the atlas being against you. They’re more like examples of you and other travelers breaking rules that were in place long before you got there.

[uncut harness]

^^^^^

[outer relic]

Which would make you the antagonist

Not the atlas

[indigo smelt]

The only difference between protagonist and antagonist is story perspective and conflict.

[uncut harness]

No

[indigo smelt]

Breaking rules and the atlas enforcing them is exactly the conflict between you and Atlas

[uncut harness]

The protagonist works towards a specific goal on top of being the "main character"

[indigo smelt]

Your specific goal is meeting Artemis. The atlas prevents you from doing so

Another specific goal is your life VS Atlas's life

[outer relic]

The atlas doesn’t prevent you from meeting Artemis. You were talking to a recording of Artemis, who was already dead.

[indigo smelt]

Meeting artemis in person.

Recording isn't even meeting artemis TBH

[uncut harness]

You do eventually get to his grave iirc

[outer relic]

If someone is dead, and you are seeing a recording of them, you can’t meet them because they’re dead, not because anyone is stopping you.

[indigo smelt]

But the protagonist does not know that

Atlas knows, but you do not

[uncut harness]

That just makes the Player against the Atlas, not the Atlas against the Player

[outer relic]

Ignorance is not the same thing as conflict.

[indigo smelt]

Wut?

[outer relic]

Your character didn’t know Artemis was dead. That wasn’t conflict, it was just information you didn’t have.

[indigo smelt]

The traveler being dead also reinforces the mortality theme of the story

Ignorance is irrelevant here.

[outer relic]

Then why did you bring it up?

[uncut harness]

You're reaching so hard for this

[indigo smelt]

I am not the one reaching here, you are.

The atlas is against the player trying to break the rules.

The player wants to break the rules.

Other travelers tried to break the rules and got punished

[uncut harness]

I'm not reaching in saying that the Atlas is just doing his job and that he never did anything to stop the player.

you are reaching in suggesting that every action and event that happened in the story was the master-plan of the Atlas to stop the player

[indigo smelt]

Only stop the player from breaking the rules. When the rules aren't being broken, there is no conflict.

But the rules are being broken.

[uncut harness]

When did he try to stop the player

[indigo smelt]

I already said when.

[uncut harness]

No, you were dead wrong and we already told you why

So try again

[indigo smelt]

No, you try again

[outer relic]

Try what again? As the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you, not us.

[uncut harness]

^^^^^

[indigo smelt]

I already met the burden of proof. You were making a counter claim of atlas never doing anything to stop the player.

[uncut harness]

My eyes physically cannot roll further back into my skull

[indigo smelt]

The atlas doing his job is indeed him being the antagonist

[uncut harness]

Fine

Have fun sitting there mad about the idea of Atlas Pass v4

[gloomy isle]

I remember those being given out

Good Times

[outer relic]

The player breaking the rules makes the player the antagonist. The atlas is just following protocols that are not about the player, and were in place long before the player got there.

[indigo smelt]

Semantics

[gloomy isle]

I mean, I'd argue that the atlas is a villain

But a very tragic one

And it's not really its fault for being like it is

[indigo smelt]

This isn't a good and evil story.

[gloomy isle]

No it's not. But a character that repeatedly commits genocide is basically a villain by definition soo

[indigo smelt]

Sometimes, both people try to do what is right and get into conflict because they have different interests.

[gloomy isle]

Plus, the atlas opposes the protagonist on multiple occasions

Like meeting apollo

It actively keeps the boundaries there to prevent them meeting

[indigo smelt]

I have exactly been arguing that the atlas is an antagonist, but not the villain.

[gloomy isle]

Oh ok

Misread

But... A villain is by definition a character who's evil actions are important to the plot

So in my eyes the atlas is by definition a villain

And other definitions place it as synonymous with antagonist

So while the word villain is kinda reductive, the atlas still is one

[indigo smelt]

My definition does not make the antagonist necessarily evil. Villains are evil. Villains can be protagonists or antagonists. Heroes can be protagonists or antagonists.

Protagonist is just the main character, just a matter of perspective and who is in conflict with who.

Evil protagonist example: Any book where the main character is a serial killer.

[gloomy isle]

Again the definition doesn't state that a villain is evil. It states that they have done something evil

And genocide definitely comes under that

And that's basically what the atlas does repeatedly

[indigo smelt]

It was just a clarification.

[lean mountain]

I don’t think Atlas is evil, per se, or at least no more evil than those who built it and taught it how to behave. It has no capacity for anything except pure administration of its reality, because anything else was deemed unnecessary. It’s no more evil than a computer program, which it basically is.

Certainly the main antagonist of the story, though no more an antagonist than God in many biblical stories; not malicious, per se, but its actions against those beneath it are unquestionably heinous at times

Atlas could be considered a Lawful Evil alignment, as its job is merely to uphold the system is has been charged with, regardless of the protest of those within it

However... You can’t assume it knows what it’s doing, or has any concept of the harm it’s done. It’s just following a set of instructions.

I would argue Null is the closest to a traditional villain in the story. He knows what he’s doing, he doesn’t care, and he even mocks and belittles you for wanting what’s best for others instead of yourself.

[outer relic]

In the atlas path when it gives you the option to birth a star, is there any benefit to walking away?

[crisp fern]

I don't think there's a benefit either way?

Also regarding the Atlas as antagonist stuff from earlier, the Atlas at some point lost control of the Sentinels, and themselves defied standard protocol in some fashion, so they're not really trying to maintain any real order.

The Sentinels are not under the Atlas' control and are basically a rogue security protocol at the point we begin playing.

[prime inlet]

If you don't birth a star, you won't unlock the star seed exosuit tech

[outer relic]

Ok thanks. I birthed the star and got the star seed, but it had just left me wondering if I was missing out on anything by doing that.

[prime inlet]

nope, you're good. you should now also be able to see black hole systems identified on the galaxy map.

[hidden shale]

Im making the exomech

[outer relic]

Thanks!

[lusty gale]

Is there any way to reset the simulation if youve already chosen to not and stay?

[outer relic]

Nope. Resetting would've taken you to another galaxy of your choice, but now if you want to get to another one you have to go through the galaxy cores in order.

[jovial stag]

or ask in #nms-lfg-or-trades for someone that's already in the Galaxy you wish to get to and ask them for a lift there

[heady wyvern]

Or call a pangalactic starcab.

Your choice

[stuck hinge]

Where pet

[potent rune]

What are the galaxy order?

[outer relic]

https://nomanssky.gamepedia.com/Galaxy#Known_positive_galaxies

[prime inlet]

eheu x38 paraffinium eheu 😄

[crisp fern]

bushki 😏

[robust trout]

I have a question about the atlas part with wiping the system. If I push Y what happens???

[jaunty tundra]

I pushed Y on my second playthrough to see what happens. Nothing happened. Atlas ignored me.

[sour hollow]

I didn't lose anything

[robust trout]

wtf that was so weird!

16/16 is the weirdest mission yet 😄

is the purge the final mission?

[crisp fern]

for Artemis Path, yeah

[uncut harness]

So what happens when u reset the atlas anyway? Do you loose everything? I picked a different choice but I'm curious what happens.

[heady wyvern]

You'll be sent to another galaxy, but you won't lose anything. The tech in your multi tool and ship may be busted, though. You can even return to Euclid by teleporting to a base you have there.

[uncut harness]

O well

Cool ig

I thought u loose stuff

[sacred rune]

Just to confirm since I just did this the other day, all the tech in your current multitool, current ship's main hold (tech-exclusive inventory is safe), and your exosuit's main inventory will be damaged

your extra multitools, other ships, and freighter are safe.

[loud haven]

Alright I have to ask because I finally went there and the game briefly flipped its lid and then spawned a freighter rescue mission inside a planet but what the everloving heck is with Likhul? Why does it pop up in my teleport options sometimes and is just, well, weird?

[heady wyvern]

Yes, your backup tools and ships are completely safe. That's why people who've done this before reserve a cheap shuttle specifically for this event.

[sacred rune]

honestly I found the multitool harder to deal with personally. if you have a functioning multitool, fixing the rest is pretty easy

[heady wyvern]

Don't go to Likhoulu unless you're really prepared. It's a phantom star system - one that technically shouldn't exist and that you technically shouldn't be able to warp to.

It'll wreak havock on your game if you're not careful.

[heady wyvern]

You could also reserve a cheap tool to equip when you do this.

And as for your suit tech, anything in your Technology slots are safe, so shift as much of your tech into those slots as possible.

[sacred rune]

yeah you definitely don't want vital things like life support and hazard protection in the main inventory. ask me how I know

[drifting pulsar]

Almost died messing that up on survival, didn't help that i got a extrem frost planet in the middle of a storm with extra tornadoes tossing me around seconds after loading in 😅

[drifting nimbus]

which primary mission leads to the galaxy centre

[astral kestrel]

Atlas

[drifting nimbus]

first traveller?

[jovial stag]

that's Artemis

[indigo smelt]

All main questlines have the goal at the end: Get to the Atlas.

[drifting nimbus]

so i can take any

im doing the one with apollo rn

[indigo smelt]

Pretty much.

[drifting nimbus]

k thx

[astral kestrel]

That's the Artemis line

[indigo smelt]

It is.

[drifting nimbus]

aight

[lean mountain]

Can you explain this in more detail?

[ocean wyvern]

its like minus world in super mario bros

glitches abound

you can't achieve it through normal gameplay; it erases the contents of any freighter summoned; etc

[lean mountain]

Yikes, whoa

Is it safe to like, portal to and then leave after you’ve seen enough? Or are you just stuck?

[indigo smelt]

What galaxy, or does each galaxy have its own Likhoulu?

[ocean wyvern]

I think you can leave it via portal but don't quote me on that; its how most people go there in the first place

[indigo smelt]

There is a whole bunch of lore. Sentinels are servants of the Atlas. Their goal is to preserve the universe basically.

[lean mountain]

However, they seem to be going rogue, patrolling places they don’t need to, overlooking abominations and glitch planets, and showing unnecessary hostility towards mundane acts

[grim lintel]

They use the teleporter network to travel from planet to planet as necessary

[indigo smelt]

That's a recent development, going rogue.

[indigo smelt]

No, they use the "world of glass"

[grim lintel]

Ah, really?

appears I'm behind

[lean mountain]

There are even corrupt sentinels that have deteriorated even further, which occasionally show up when you crack open salvageable scrap

They are berserk and hostile, and look very strange

[indigo smelt]

Corrupt? In one universe, the sentinels went complete haywire. Instead of preserving life, they decided to destroy all life in the galaxy.

They even started attacking themselves.

[lean mountain]

That’s the universe where Nada and Polo come from

[crisp fern]

lol

some of ya are throwing around info like it's solid fact, when it's more ambiguous in spots (e.g. Atlas-Sentinel relationship, Nada/Polo origins, how Sentinels travel, etc.)

[lean mountain]

I suppose I should’ve phrased it better, that’s most likely where the ones we know came from, from various context clues found during the Artemis story

Including one I feel is rather damning, which is a recorded conversation between the two found in a freighter wreck, one pleading the other to just leave them and flee to save themselves

Telling them that they’ll meet again, somewhere, some day, in some other universe

Though I guess even that is somewhat ambiguous

[loud haven]

I survived going to Linkholu but after being explained to that it's not supposed to be there I just kind of GTFO'd there as fast as possible and then hid the system from my list of discoveries so as to have a marker to remind me 'don't go here.'

Also how do combat frigate reinforcements work? Do they just not do anything? Do I need to supply them with my own starships for them to be of use?

[sacred rune]

they send a drone to help you, the frigate itself doesn't join the fight

so it's pretty easy to miss it

[indigo smelt]

Do remembrance terminals spawn more in other galaxies?

[grizzled apex]

From what the wiki states, it appears to be a glitch and going to it seems impossible?
Please correct me if im wrong, im REALLY interested in exploring the system in a new throwaway save.
Im on PS4 btw

[heady wyvern]

Some people were sent there due to a glitch with planetary Portals - since patched - but people have left bases. If you find one such person in the Anomaly, you could teleport to their base in Likhoulu and venture out from there.

[grizzled apex]

Oh. Is there a list of people who are currently at Likhoulu?

Or someone here on discord?

[heady wyvern]

No, there's no official list. The best options are either poking around here or blindly gambling on being in the same Anomaly session as a Likhoulu settler.

[grizzled apex]

Ahh well its still quite up to chance I guess

Well thanks a lot for the tip!

Just shows how after 5 years you still find something in no mans sky huh

[astral kestrel]

I have Likholu on my teleport list and have been there. It's a highly unpredictable place, often in bad ways. Why?

[heady wyvern]

Because the system technically shouldn't exist.

@astral kestrel

[astral kestrel]

Was wondering why Soleth was asking about it. They want to go there?

[heady wyvern]

A) They said it would be with a throwaway character
B) @ThatBomberBoi#1341, we have somebody who can help.

uhh

@grizzled apex, we have somebody willing to help.

[astral kestrel]

They'd have to be on a survival save for me to pull them in to Likholu by them joining me

[heady wyvern]

Well, I guess this is between you and them from here on.

[grizzled apex]

Yea sure I have a survival throwaway save

Yea woops Sorry for that kinda late response

Im currently away from my console but can we coordinate in a week or 2?

[astral kestrel]

DM me when you want to try it out. I can teleport in and let you join me at the station there.

I don't spend a lot of time roaming in that system, since I like my save

Korvax system, Tier 2 Promising economy in Minerals, low conflict level...and eats saves for breakfast, lunch, and dinner

[lean mountain]

It’s at coordinate -0 LY from galactic center. It technically IS the center. As such, it’s likely borrowing data that isn’t supposed to be used for star system generation to build itself, fetching something out of bounds and getting garbage in return

We’re very lucky going there at all doesn’t crash the game or INSTANTLY corrupt your save, but it still can have permanent effects on your progression or possessions, so never, EVER manual save after leaving if you can help it. Manual save before, restore from it after you’ve had your fill.

And it might be obvious but, never manual save there either

[grizzled apex]

Holy shit

Actual corruption or just bugs

I just thought it was bugs

welp thankfully its a throwaway

[iron tide]

i hate sents

[fervent zealot]

which path takes you to the teleporter thing?

[heady wyvern]

The... teleporter... thing...

Ya mean the Simulation Reset?

[fervent zealot]

the thing where you put the symbols in and you teleport somewhere

[jovial stag]

Artemis quest line .... starts with Awakenings

[crisp fern]

for future reference, that's called a portal

[fervent zealot]

ah thank you

im an idiot

[heady wyvern]

But yeah

[crisp fern]

nah nah, people mix up what to call it all the time

[heady wyvern]

Technically, if you take the time to seek out Travelers, you can get the glyphs required to operate a portal without even touching the main quests.

Though some prefer the main "Artemis" quest line for unlocking the glyphs.

[crisp fern]

Unlocking them the other way is about as bad as learning the Atlas language, except there's not really any other way to learn the Atlas language other than the tedious way

[warm cloud]

The deed is done, I finally decided to complete the main story for the first time and witnessed dawn of a new galaxy before my very eyes.

Don’t remember the galaxy name, but I know it was Lush and it started with an H, but I must sleep now. Already saved and everything.

[iron tide]

The story is really good

[warm cloud]

Yee, didn’t think it would take those directions

[warm cloud]

And at that point, the reality glitches’ name start making a lot more sense after going through the story

[velvet ivy]

So I'm getting ready to head off to do the purge for the first time, and am planning on doing the reset.
I have a beater ship and MT, and have swapped as much tech as possible to tech slots.
I have some materials for the portal and repairs.
I already have the final seed from the atlas missions and all glyphs.

Anything else I may be overlooking?

[crisp fern]

If you want to revisit Euclid, a planetside base, presuming you don't already have one @velvet ivy

[velvet ivy]

Ok thanks, I do have one.

[drifting pulsar]

The game more or less forces you to, unless you intentionally delete it

[crisp fern]

(i always delete them)

[jovial stag]

@deep mica what about the remembrance thing?

[deep mica]

erm how to build it

and

how do i get the heart of the sun

[jovial stag]

click an empty slot in your suit and in stall it there

[deep mica]

yeah

[torn token]

If i remember right, complete atlas path, make heart of the sun along the way, complete artemis path

[jovial stag]

teh HotS is got via the Atlas Path

[deep mica]

ok

whats the atlas path

[torn token]

where you go to the atlas interfaces

[jovial stag]

the other primary mission

[deep mica]

ok

[jovial stag]

and if you'd have done the Atlas Path while doing the Purge the warps you do for the Atlas Path to visit atlas interfaces would have counted for the purge as well .... 2 birds one warp

[deep mica]

Ok

[wind panther]

The pet data I've looked at has a record of galactic address and seed value, indicating it tracks the planet you found the pet and how to reproduce it with the seed value

It also has a flag for Baby or not, which wouldn't match robot

[kind salmon]

It could be cool if you had to find a robot animal planet

That would fit with that narrative as well

And for the baby part, maybe the metal needs to harden or some

[hard stirrup]

But then how would the so called pet accessories fit with organic pets? They don't look like saddles or bags or anything.....they look like robotic parts with no clear way to attach them to organic beings.

[wind panther]

I thought they looked like harness type things that could be fitted to an organic body, but I could be wrong

[torn token]

i mean, the problem is we dont know what the accessories are or do are what they're for :V

[hard stirrup]

They look nothing like harnesses. Let me try to find the video.

[torn token]

i mean, ngl for all we know it could be like

cybernetic or just weird cosmetics?

or even just purely decorative :V

like, for an NPC's stall decorative

[hard stirrup]

Here's what the pet accessories look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbvtxkEsYBU&ab_channel=AssistantNMS

[wind panther]

I imagine mostly decorative

[torn token]

yeah

odds are it's not robots if it mentions babies

and not robot babies :V

[wind panther]

Notice how all but one of them have a hexagonal attachment location

[torn token]

at most i expect it'll be cyborgs

or who knows, maybe the accessories connect onto a harness?

which connects to the pet?

[hard stirrup]

Yes....which would only make sense for a robot slot....not an organic being.

[wind panther]

That's what I meant earlier, that they are attachments to a harness. Sorry

[torn token]

yeah

[wind panther]

I think there were a couple of other pieces not in that video, unless my memory is mistaken

[hard stirrup]

That makes no sense....you don't attach a hexagon to a harness....for a harness you would have handles or gaps....a solid shape is like something you slot into a machine.

[torn token]

harness is basic pet gear, the accessories are upgrades

like your fancy tweaks to the exosuit

that's how i'd think about it

Jetpack, life support, etc

cargo

[hard stirrup]

But those accessories don't look made for a harness at all.....and not for organic beings.

[wind panther]

My guess was that you would get certain minor bonuses to the character based on what accessory your pet was carrying

[torn token]

it doesnt look very made for a robot either :V

Plus it's likely said models arent final either

[hard stirrup]

A cargo expansion for a creature would be a bag...not a cylinder....a cylinder is what you slot into a machine.

[wind panther]

I think we have to agree to disagree. To me I can easily see those as attachment points, and that makes more sense with the other data

[torn token]

^

[wind panther]

But you could easily be right, as well

Oh, one other mention I saw that makes me think not robotic is 'clone'. I forget where I saw it, though

[hard stirrup]

How do you attach a cylinder to a creature....that would look incredibly awkward and just get in the way....for a creature you would have bags of some kind.

[torn token]

on the back

or maybe neck?

definitely at least those to spots

[hard stirrup]

A cylinder on the back? That would just roll all over the place....it would have to at least be a box but that's not ideal....you'd want some kind bags.

[wind panther]

Not if it's attached to a harness...

[torn token]

^

especially if it's secured firmly to said harness

the attachment points it slots into

[hard stirrup]

A cylinder is not something that can easily be secured by a harness.....who straps cylinders to animals?

[wind panther]

Who straps any storage device to an animal, except crazy dog people 😉

[torn token]

people who do things like this 👀

[hard stirrup]

Bags attached to horses are not unheard of.

[torn token]

not a bag

a cask/cylinder

[wind panther]

I just wanted to make fun of people like my wife wanting backpacks for dogs 🙂

[kind salmon]

If there were dog backpacks they would keep sliding off

[torn token]

nah, not if they're designed well enough 👌

[wind panther]

For reference:

[hard stirrup]

Cylinder in NMS seems a bit too wide and thin to be like that neck barrel....and it has the hexagon thing that doesn't look made to attach to a harness....the hexagon shapes look like clear machine attachments.

[torn token]

it'd sorta be a backpack/harness hybrid tho

[torn token]

well.. the problem is that, a harness IS sort of a machine

especially if it's got slots to plug into

[kind salmon]

Does the load stuff mean it's storage or something else?

[hard stirrup]

A harness is definitely not a machine....a harness is a collection of straps.

[wind panther]

Payload is what it's carrying

[torn token]

it can be a machine 👀

A spacesuit is just a relatively more advanced normal suit

with more tech thrown on :V

[hard stirrup]

What kind of robotic harness would fit on a organic being? Not to mention there are only four or five types of pets we can have including "spider" type....when there aren't even any spider creatures in NMS right now.

[torn token]

wait

does the spider type count the sorta-spidery arthropods?

buggy bois

i got a few on my planet right now

[wind panther]

What do you mean types we can have as pets? I haven't seen anything about that

[hard stirrup]

A robotic harness would fit on a machine....not on a organic beings.

[torn token]

it'll fit as well as the exosuit would on a human :V

as it's literally the same thing

equipment that goes over the wearer

[wind panther]

I can't find that clone reference, so that might have been a mistake

[hard stirrup]

As far as I am aware no creature currently in the game classifies as a spider. The closest we have at the ones that drop bone nuggets when fed but they are four legged weird bone creatures...not really spiders.

[torn token]

Hmm, probably Soon™️ content then

[wind panther]

Robotic or not, I honestly don't see how they're going to cleanly attach these parts to such a wide variety of possible pets

[torn token]

^

[kind salmon]

We'll find out

[hard stirrup]

There isn't a wide variety of pets....there are four types.

[crisp fern]

i don't really get what the point of pets would be tbh

[crisp fern]

there's a spider-rig which tends to be used for crabs/insectoid type creatures atm as i recall

[dreamy forge]

I think would just like having a little companion

Find a cool looking creature, adopt it n have it by your side. I wonder what the limitations will be

Can't imagine you can adopt something that's 8m

[nocturne zephyr]

i’m gonna assume it’s small pet sized

[dreamy forge]

Ye

[gusty stream]

I've been gone for a while, pets have been datamined?

[crisp fern]

kindasorta @gusty stream

tbh rather than pets i'd prefer robots, given scifi and all

like what's HG doin' if they go with organic pets, riffin' offa warframe?

[gusty stream]

Well we do have robotic animals

Still gimmie my sentinel walker pet

[crisp fern]

[nocturne zephyr]

i want a blob pet

except more round/spherical

so i can roll it

[crisp fern]

i want a blob to captain a freighter or act as a pirate

[nocturne zephyr]

haha

has an eyepatch

[sacred rune]

a non-newtonian fluid blob. blobby when you want it to be, but can also be rolled into a ball for easy transit

[crisp fern]

yes

to both

[nocturne zephyr]

yes agreed

[craggy fractal]

If I complete the purge before the atlas path, can I continue the atlas path?

[jovial stag]

while doing the purge, switch to the atlas path ... warps you do for the atlas path will then count for the purge

[craggy fractal]

I just did my 16th jump and am only half way through the atlas path

[kind salmon]

what do i do here?

[indigo night]

actually you have only two choices

[kind salmon]

reset or refuse right?

which do i do?

and what are the effects of both?

does reset bring me to a dif galaxy?

[crisp fern]

you do what you want

[kind salmon]

if resetting brings me to a dif galaxy then i want to prepare

[indigo night]

one gives you a choice which Galacie you want to go .. the other not

[kind salmon]

ok then ima refuse

[indigo night]

at least you ship will not be damged

[kind salmon]

yeah

im gonna switch to a living ship next time

and switch my multitool before going in

[indigo night]

refuse = same galaxie

if this is what you want

[warm halo]

Is there any way to travel between galaxies

Other than the final mission

Also is there any difference between the galaxies that make leaving euclid worth it

[sacred rune]

You can still teleport back and forth from your bases no matter which galaxy they're in.

There's four types of galaxies, with different planet distribution. See the table here: https://nomanssky.gamepedia.com/Galaxy