There's none??? Wtf
#nms-spoilers
old wraith
fickle mulch
could be different platform
uncut harness
Or difficulty, that instances you too I’m pretty sure
You could try using coordinates if people posted those on reddit
I remember having to do pre Next for one of the missions
lucid berry
so any advice on locating the hexplate bushes.. ive been searching the planet for an hour
fickle mulch
a few folks have said it's bugged, that they're not loading visibly, but if you go to where people dropped comm stations you should be able to pick them up.
what I did is just drive around in my nomad looking for the red stems. The glitch stems are different from the resource stems (which are yellow)
the other thing you could do is go to a planet outside the quest, where they're easier to find, and then go do the quest
lucid berry
i see no comm stations on pc :;(
uncut harness
so what's the other consideration nomyar?
fickle mulch
@uncut harness what will happen when you cross through the center of the galaxy is it will take you to galaxy 2. Any tech in the general slots of your ship and exosuit gets damaged and has to be repaired. So, it's good to have a junk ship to go across in, and have as much of your exosuit tech in the tech tab as possible.
before the last release, there was no going back to the previous galaxy. Now though, you can jump between galaxies. So, tht's why I say it really shouldn't have any impact on your quests
you can jump between galaxies using normal station/base teleporters
uncut harness
I see
Thanks for the tips
wait so does that mean even if I finished my quest and warp to another galaxy, I can still go back to the first one?
fickle mulch
yep!
uncut harness
welp
upbeat trench
from what i see barely anyone plays out of euclid galaxy on pc
uncut harness
questline first then haha
upbeat trench
lol
fickle mulch
as long as you have a teleport location saved in the galaxy somewhere
uncut harness
I have a base, hope that's good enough
fickle mulch
Laaven, I think the whole concept of "plays in Euclid" went by the wayside with Synthesis update. Now the multiverse is your oyster
at least for players like me that teleport pretty much everywhere
upbeat trench
i started playing like 2 weeks ago
fickle mulch
KGAS, I think so... not sure... put a teleporter there just to be sure
uncut harness
OK
lucid berry
do the hexplate bushes somehow look different from the rest?
uncut harness
it looks a bit red
how many time do you have to warp during the last mission? was it ten times?
jovial stag
I have a base, hope that's good enough
@uncut harness it is, you can teleport to the base but obviously not from it so you'd have to visit a station if you wanted to teleport anywhere
uncut harness
got it, thanks
prime inlet
do the hexplate bushes somehow look different from the rest?
@lucid berry stems are bright orange
every other plant will have yellow stems
how many time do you have to warp during the last mission? was it ten times?
@uncut harness in The Purge? 16 times.
fickle mulch
@prime inlet is that the 10 seeds, plus final atlas, plus additional jumps?
prime inlet
Atlas seeds do not require jumps alone, they require milestones
fickle mulch
oh, yeah, but you have to jump to the stations. I was counting those. So it's 16 jumps after the seeds are done?
prime inlet
you're talking about 2 different missions
fickle mulch
okay, sorry
prime inlet
16 jumps are required in the Artemis path
and the Atlas stations/Atlas seeds, through which the player progresses via completing journey milestones, simply require you to visit 11 stations
10 for the seeds, 1 which is the final interface
fickle mulch
okay. the question about though was about The Purge, and it looks like that one's ten jumps. I was confusing it with the seeds, yes. But, the answer for The Purge is 10
prime inlet
nope, The Purge requires 16 warps, via which (if the player hasn't gotten them yet) the player comes to know the 16 portal glyphs
fickle mulch
dang, I played the quest line so spread out, I didn't realize how much jumping around there is
that's the 16 / 16 quest. Just checked the wiki, trying to sort myself out. 16 / 16 requires 16 jumps, and gets the glyphs. That start the Purge, which requires another 10 jumps.
fickle mulch
yeah... okay, sorry, not trying to argue, just understand. what I just said above came from the wiki.
anyway...
prime inlet
charge the portal etc
The player will be tasked with making their way to the final Atlas Interface. Each time the player uses their starship's Hyperdrive to warp to another system, they will permanently acquire a Glyph. Additionally, special events will occur after specific warps.
Once the player has received the last glyph (granted after the 16th warp), they must charge and use the marked Portal.
but i guess we're seeing different wikis
prime inlet
np 🙂
uncut harness
just randomly ran into an atlas interface during the purge
and it somehow reactivated the atlas seed quesline
prime inlet
finished Atlas path already? you can safely ignore that objective
uncut harness
yeah
but it's annoying to see it again though
I wonder when they gonna patch that
prime inlet
that one will go away when you craft Remembrance
but sometimes you will get a temporary objective that asks you to travel through a nearby black hole, and that one can also be safely ignored
uncut harness
I see
jovial stag
@fickle mulch @prime inlet You used to get the glyphs during the 16/16 mission, doing the 16 jumps, but it was changed to the purge a couple of updates ago. Why it was changed 🤷♂️
and I got my 16th Glyph on the 15th warp... stumbled across a grave on a planet
spice sail
I bought the tree head thing from the QS store, how do I find it to put it on?
jovial stag
the appearance modifier on the Anomaly or at a station
spice sail
I went there and equipped my jumpjet color but I didn't see the face/helment tree one
onyx prairie
I think it's only available for the traveller body.
spice sail
oh I wil try next time thanks
solar barn
I'm at a gateway system next to the core with a fully charged hyperdrive. I can't actually figure out how to go to the core, does anyone know how to fix this? I'm on PC
jovial stag
what controls are you using? mouse/keyboard, controller etc?
solar barn
mouse/keyboard
i see that the control is moving the analog stick on controller but im not using one
jovial stag
see this: https://discordapp.com/channels/146101654981312513/471868642204712971/674236737098219526 and I think its X you press and hold, you cannot be in free roam mode (i.e. you cannot deselect the current system)... make sure galaxy map filter at the top is set to galaxy core and then just press and hold the X key I think it is
solar barn
thank you so much I t ried reddit and didn't get a good response
really appreciate it
crisp fern
I swear I want to categorize this under bugged/glitched...
solar barn
ok i just tried warping to the center and it still wont work
this is incredibly frustrating
jovial stag
You don't warp...
when you have a route set, like to the core, and a line is drawn to the next system, then the next all you do to jump to the core is have the filter set on the galaxy map and then press the key to go to the system on the route, and in the jump to the core case that will be a jump to the core.. you just need to press and hold the X key (not sure if the X key is the right one, but whatever key you need to press to move along the line press and hold it)
crisp fern
lol
I feel like this may indicate how little anyone uses that way of navigating the galactic map
solar barn
thanks i understand what youre saying ive never travelled like that so Im trying to figure out the key now
jovial stag
well I play with a 360 controller so for me its just press right stick in direction of line and wait a bit...
crisp fern
I always just free explore
jovial stag
ah! well in the case of the jump to the core you cannot do that...
crisp fern
Right, which is why it feels weird as hell to have to use the line-trace method
'cause that's always felt weird, imo anyway
outer cobalt
Does 'next system' also work for a different path set, like Atlas Path?
On PC, the default appears to be X, but it has never done anything for me.
jovial stag
@solar barn I got the indicator in the top left when I did it on PC, the circle kind of fills in as you hold the key to make the jump
solar barn
ok thank you, i dont see that indicator when I hold X, for some reason it changes mode to free explore and selects a random system kind of close to me
jovial stag
are you in a gateway system? literally the end of the line when the filter is set to the galaxy core as you can only make the jump to the core from a gateway system...
solar barn
yes
so on PC apparently it's required to hold left shift to select a line on the given paths. If galactic core is selected, holding shift and wiggling the mouse to select the galactic core yellow line works, followed by holding Lmouse to finally commence
thank you everyone for the help
outer cobalt
@solar barn Interesting: L-Shift = Fast Navigation according to the controls. X = Select Next System. Neither of them do anything for me, although I am not at the core. What does work is moving the mouse until it crosses the path to next system. It then shows a select 'target' which can be activated with the left mouse button.
I will keep the <shift> in mind in case I do get to get to the core
solar barn
Thank you, I con confirm that this works at the center
crisp fern
@outer cobalt like Jjquab mentioned, X for me just selects some random nearby system
outer cobalt
You are on PC as well, correct?
crisp fern
I only figured it out as I was messing about in the map in free explore the other day, lol
Yeah
outer cobalt
Odd, as it literally does nothing for me, no matter what path is selected, in or out of focus of the system I am in, just nada
outer cobalt
Same with <Lshift> by the way, which apparently is supposed to be able to do something according to the controls
crisp fern
For me I think that, at least in free explore, speeds up the camera movement in the map
So I can zip around to different parts of it
outer cobalt
Ok, could be I missed trying fast flying the cam
crisp fern
I can't remember atm if I had the star system I was in selected when I hit X to randomly have it select some other star system
outer cobalt
Oh well, won't be bothered until I need it
crisp fern
It doesn't seem like it works entirely as intended anyway, as it would switch star system selection, but then not bring up the star system info until I went to deselect it
outer cobalt
I may have to just remove those settings files to have them reset. Not that I ever made any changes, but they have been present since forever. Noticed some other issues with many controls not 'allowing' remap at all, despite showing and having the 'apparent' option to do so.
@crisp fern Just tried again and indeed <Lshift> is like camera 'sprint' when system out of focus. Still can't get X to do anything though
cloud elm
I came across one of these anomalous numbers stations, I've already posted these numbers in a relevant Reddit thread.
upbeat trench
What is this
muted basin
meh
this living ship line
always waiting
btw, when I get the full grown brain stem can I toss out the fragile one?
idle jay
The fragile one turns into the full grown one
heady wyvern
This is not intended behavior.
The fragile stem, if you're done maturing it, can be disposed of.
idle jay
Interesting. I guess it must have been bugged because mine ended up disappearing when it matured
spice sail
Is it possible to find someone's plant, but in your world? I am tired of trying to find a place that has mineral, EM power, and gas near each other
prime inlet
other people's base computers should be visible on the compass, both while on the planet and from space
if they aren't online and havent uploaded their base, you won't be able to see their base, just the base computer itself
spice sail
Any tips on finding a good power source plus other two (gas and mineral) nearby?
You have to get out to use visor, what good idea was that lol
heady wyvern
Luck.
indigo smelt
Wish you could tag it at least.
slender idol
The exocraft scanner should be augmented by th ecapabiltities of the multi-tool you have actgive.
it would be nice to not have to get in and out the whole time.
jovial stag
very rarely use an exocraft, find it annoying its lacking so many features it could have... so just run about on foot mostly, if/when storm comes just dig a hole and wait it out...
so if anyone comes across a planet with LOTS of holes... I did that 😄
main mirage
Hi guys, i met the atlas through the portal, and was thinking if formatting/submitting ecc would give a different ending
brave flower
Try it and report back?
main mirage
creative mode here i come
brave flower
Godspeed, Traveller!!
dusky gale
im confused, im in new galaxy and there is atlas station again ?
does the quest repeat infinite ?
what hapens if i craft another hearth of the sun
lone vault
You get another black hole that you can go through
dusky gale
ahh so its just rng blackhole? or new galaxy ?
craggy sluice
I already done Artemis Path and went to a new galaxy. I plan to finish the atlas path so I summoned the anomaly and asked Polo for Atlas interface coords and says something about adblventure awaits. I then open the galaxy map and no atlas interface
Am I doing this right?
I'm on PS4 btw
prime inlet
@craggy sluice what's your current Atlas mission?
are you able to craft/have crafted Star seed?
@dusky gale have you completed it once or not?
that room does look like the final interface.
dusky gale
@prime inlet yeah i got star seed and remembrance i finished all, went into new galaxy, and in the new galaxy i got thie atlas path mission again he wants another hearth of the sun
prime inlet
nevermind him
dusky gale
😄
craggy sluice
The Atlas mission isn't showing up in the mission log. I haven't crafted the star seed yet
crisp fern
sounds like the usual bug of it randomly disappearing from the log
craggy sluice
Is there no way for me to complete the atlas path?
crisp fern
Eeh, hard to say, it may reappear at some point in which case you may be able to
fickle mulch
@dusky gale the quest showing up again after completion is a new bug that was introduced in a recent patch. I've read that if you complete it again, it really truly goes away. It's just a repeat though. No actual progress.
zinc birch
I can confirm that "doing it again" heart of the sun and all. Nets you absolutely nothing .
It's just a trolling Atlas station in your new galaxy if you've already completed the quest .
RIP those random materials
daring bronze
@zinc birch @fickle mulch doing the quest allows you to create a new solar system that you can travel to via the BH coords given at the end of the quest
I've done it like 5-6 times in a row
stoic path
craggy sluice
@stoic path when you open the galaxy map and select a system check under the name of the system if there is the word "Water" in it. If it has then it means that the system has a water planet
Speaking of water, I just completed the Dreams of the Deep mission. I like it, I wish there's a sequel
gloomy isle
Been gone a while. Any word on an update?
river ember
@gloomy isle Depends on how long you've been gone. There has been several updates.
gloomy isle
Left right before exo mech
stoic beacon
I hope they take their time with an update.
Wouldn't mind waiting a few months, if it meant we got something super duper good.
idle jay
||Cue variation/exploration overhaul||
idle jay
Solar knows all about that stuff. Feel free to ask him
fickle mulch
true, I also dislike the timegates
alright, bed time. Living ship, finally, tomorrow!
grizzled apex
@stoic beacon
Yea I dont know but, the last time greg talked about something, it was him coming back for NEXT, and the update had been announced then. Not sure if this means anything.
@heady wyvern
Gather round children.
I've got tales from the ol days.
heady wyvern
Right.
grizzled apex
Damn honestly those days were awesome.
The game truly felt like a pulp sci fi cover
I remember seeing a blackish planet and going "Woah that's new! Let's go there" and just forgot my mission and pulsed there.
It was rocky, first of it's kind I'd seen in my say 1 save in pathfinder I believe
I started playing 1.0 again recently and the first planet I spawned on was a golden lush planet
It felt like the E3 2015 one and was so mesmerising
Second one I found was a rough terrain style water planet with purple grass. It had HUGE land and basically no beach area, making traversing it super difficult.
viral acorn
hey guys
I'm about to go to the final interface and go to another galaxy
I think I should go to eissentam, should I? What should I expect? Does anybody recommend otherwise?
uncut harness
You got to the center of the galaxy?
viral acorn
nah, its from the artemis storyline
if u wanna get to the center easily check jason plays he made a video recently
uncut harness
I saw that too
onyx hearth
I need some help
im about to finish the atlas path
but it says, birth a new star or walk away
what should i do
uncut harness
I choose walk away
Warning if you choose birth a star everything will reset except your ship
I think so
uncut harness
Not true, if you birth a new star nothing happens except extra story text
uncut harness
Oh
jovial stag
did you birth a new star?
if so you gained a blueprint that you can install to your suit, it will add +1 HP so you'll have an extra + top left of screen
and you also gained the ability to see the systems that contain Black Holes on the galaxy map, they'll have this star icon next to them, and yes, I have a base in a system with a black hole
indigo smelt
Can you find the star you birthed or will that forever be an unknown?
prime inlet
both times i completed the quest line, on two different platforms, one around NEXT, another around Beyond, i never visited any new star that "I created", nor got any coordinates to any new star system. both options add a marker to black hole systems on the galaxy map, just "birthing a star" also rewards Star seed tech. I can probably track down a reddit thread i opened back when i first did the quest, where i asked the same thing, and was told no, that it was just lore.
i have no idea if this happens after the first time you do the quest, i'll consider that as a possibility as some seem to be able to repeat it, however it would not make much sense, when i know that i already have star seed and have no need to do the quest line again.
indigo smelt
Shame. Player generated star systems could make for interesting finds. Make it a new star type that is only generated by players and just leave it there for players to find it.
pseudo swift
any tips to***|| get to the galactic core?||***
@long fox Personally, black hole jumping. Either method works:
warp ship -> freighter -> bh ship -> freighter [repeat] or warp freighter -> bh ship [repeat], personally I like warping with my freighter. I go from one bh to the next in about 3 minutes. In my case I was using two bh ships just to save myself a few seconds of a walk to the same ship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk0GEUEkg5k
long fox
gonna take a while i guess
pseudo swift
Hours yeah, probably half a day of taking black holes. I started from 400k actually trying to get there and did it in maybe 6 hours or less, didn't really time myself.
Also depends on load speed of your computer of course, I run mine on a SSD and my OS as well.
prime inlet
@pseudo swift darc black holes
did 600k ly in about 6h
oh.
messed up there, i guess i should have pinged @long fox
my last route was about 83 black hole jumps, and the some 33 jumps i had to do to get to the first black hole.
after i got to the first black hole, i never got out of my black hole ship
the next black hole was always in the same region
most i had to jump was about 500 ly to get to the next one
also.. there's still my unconfirmed theory about relic gates
(when talking about ways to get to the core)
this isn't like a black hole, i actually travelled that far away from the core. relic gate was in a system about 4500 ly away from the core.
(weird that it still shows the relic gate marker, there was nothing there)
if we can find a relic gate far away from the core, and it leads us to 600k ly closer to the core.. that's yet another way to travel great distances
of course, it could be that these only exist near the core, which i kinda doubt
indigo smelt
I found a freighter log mentioning sentinels attacking each other, what does that mean?
grizzled apex
Its talking about another universe. One in which the sentinels destroyed all life in 54 minutes.
The no mans sky universe we inhabit is only 1 of many simulated by the Atlas. Since Atlas rises, the boundaties have begun to fall and now objects from different universes can be seen by us.
heady wyvern
(i.e other players, Artemis et. al.)
grizzled apex
Crashed freighters and other oddities as well
I just realized that each universe rest has brought us an additional 18 quintillion planets to explore.
Each version, if we can go back to it then has a separate universe with separate planets
fickle mulch
everyone in other channels talking about "cute geks".. finish the story!! they're not cute. not at all!
pseudo swift
after i got to the first black hole, i never got out of my black hole ship
@prime inlet Why the hell didn't I think of that lol, just use a 3 warp tech ship.. 😂
everyone in other channels talking about "cute geks".. finish the story!! they're not cute. not at all!
@fickle mulch Slavery and genocide is so cute.
heady wyvern
The First Spawn were asshats. Modern Gek, on the other hand...
crisp fern
still assholes
fickle mulch
yup
prime inlet
@prime inlet Why the hell didn't I think of that lol, just use a 3 warp tech ship.. 😂
@pseudo swift i use my living ship. pretty good hyperdrive efficiency with 3 modules, a half stack of chromatic metal would have been more than enough to do all 83 jumps, and i dont even miss eco scanner: i'm not staying longer than 10s in the same system. finish black hole jump, immediately open galactic map, find next black hole in the chart (usually pretty fast finding them, since they were all in the same region, but sometimes taking up to a minute), jump.
prime inlet
more than half of those systems were all discovered by the same person, over a year ago.
my route differed a bit a a couple of times maybe, so i did end up discovering a few new systems myself
but
it's nice to feel that someone had been there already
doesn't happen often for me, as i tend to enjoy the game on my own, and usually ignore posted coordinates
explorers charting the unknown universe. this is the feeling i love.
(that turned into a big wall of text, sorry about that)
craggy sluice
Each version, if we can go back to it then has a separate universe with separate planets
@grizzled apex Creative, Normal, Survival and Permadeath each have their own separate universe right
grizzled apex
Yes. But each has the same planets, NPC's etc
But each VERSION has separate planets, structures, regions, galaxies!
ionic raptor
What about quick silver community unlocks ? Are they separate? Or is that shared across all game modes?
grizzled apex
They are shared
over all game modes
The only reason we even classify the universes as separate are due to the separate bases and players
pseudo swift
@nocturne sun Reality ends in 16 minutes, that's what it means. That time is relative however.. since you're living in the simulation you really can't perceive that time.
heady wyvern
Or rather, that time is extremely long to you.
nocturne sun
I feel so stupid
Lol...
Okay is this thing about servers shutting down 16 minutes after the last new player buys nms true?
heady wyvern
Uhh
nocturne sun
Nvm
heady wyvern
What
indigo smelt
It's a joke.
pseudo swift
No that was a joke and an old rumor.
nocturne sun
Okay yeah i got it now lol
Lol i need to read up on more lore
Or just discover more monoliths
pseudo swift
Well that's what those freighter logs are from too, those stories of sentinels wiping out all life in minutes.
There's several places for lore.
nocturne sun
You know its confusing to think the possibility of being inside of a simulation
Like being code
pseudo swift
Yup the signs were the since the start.. iteration# right at the beginning.
nocturne sun
The player, is said in the game to think right? He even has his own freedom of will being able to reset the atlas or keep it running
pseudo swift
Makes a new playthrough kind of interesting, kind of like watching Shutter Island again (no spoilers)
indigo smelt
I wonder when the atlas breaks, the atlas personality will also break and fracture, thus causing some kind of fracture between the sentinels. A sentinel civil war if you will.
nocturne sun
So how is he part of a simulation if he has a thought process
pseudo swift
I think that was the whole point of deleting your bases and restarting the player upon reaching the core.. you are in fact NOT the same person, but a new iteration.
So those who ever did reach the core have technically somehow lost who they were.
nocturne sun
And is he the only one in his universe with a thought process?
indigo smelt
No, the traveler has a thought process.
indigo smelt
What?
nocturne sun
Okay that makes sense but traveller remembers resetting the atlas after traveller does it right.
Makes sense... the atlas is the simulation and the travelled
pseudo swift
Because they're a part of the Atlas simulation, I'm not sure which traveler told me but they said no matter your look, they'll know who you are.
nocturne sun
traveller is the player with an inifinite possibility
Kinda just thought of it like that... the player is the traveller right? We are the ones who want to explore everything. The game is the simulation the atlas made
pseudo swift
At base level yeah, but have you done your atlas path v2 and v3 rooms?
nocturne sun
Every update being a reset on the atlas which he changes the world
No i havent
Havent done the atlas path
Universe*
pseudo swift
Rather, atlas pass v2 v3.
pseudo swift
Yes they give a bit of lore as well, like you said the player is in effect an iteration of the creator.
All travelers are, even though they look different they're all the same, of sorts.
nocturne sun
Same personality but different body
pseudo swift
Yeah and the Atlas wants you to reset it, hence the urgency of 16.
nocturne sun
Honestly one of the funnest things in the game for me is finding a traveller in a station and listening to what they say, its eerie in a way
Okay...
pseudo swift
Yeah it's pretty cool, even references old version of NMS back when we used Plutonium and not condensed carbon.
uncut harness
Atlas thinks it's dying and is trying everything possible to not die.
nocturne sun
Ohhh
pseudo swift
Yes that's right.
nocturne sun
Its not dying though is it..?
indigo smelt
Well, the glitches prove otherwise.
nocturne sun
True
uncut harness
Naw, The Abyss is gaining power and affecting Atlas.
The Abyss is as powerful as Atlas.
indigo smelt
What is The Abyss?
nocturne sun
Abyss?
pseudo swift
Yes it made so many iterations the boundaries are failing, at some point more will happen I'm sure.
uncut harness
Underwater stuff for The Abyss and weekend missions have been hinting at it coming.
pseudo swift
That's why multiplayer and Anomaly are a thing.. fractured boundaries.
uncut harness
The Abyss is another universe that's colliding/merging with the one we are in.
pseudo swift
Yes and the Abyssal spawn in space.
indigo smelt
Wait, there is another entity that's as powerful as the atlas and we don't even know about it?
What kind of lovecraftian horror is as powerful as the atlas?
uncut harness
Nah we do know about it, it's a huge part of game lore.
nocturne sun
I like the lore for this game lmao
The crimson eye right..?
Or is thst the atlas?
uncut harness
"Dreams of the deep" gives a little more info on there being "something".
indigo smelt
Crimson eye == atlas.
pseudo swift
No that is the atlas, I'm kind of an atlas worshipper. 😛
uncut harness
We just don't know what The Abyss is yet.
indigo smelt
I know that quest, but I thought a sentinel was watching me.
pseudo swift
Only YOU.. can serve the Atlas.
indigo smelt
The Atlas is watching you.
nocturne sun
So noone knows what this abyssal monster in space that is as strong as the being that created EVERYTHING in the nms universe... s
lol
pseudo swift
But yeah technically I'd imagine if the player resets the atlas they would be destroying themselves and everything in it, but the only reason it, and therefore themselves, would ever persist is if the boundaries are indeed failing and the reset didn't work.
How else would it explain that the player can remember the reset?
So it seems they took the lore of deleting everything and the reset working.. to boundaries failing and reset not working.
pseudo swift
So noone knows what this abyssal monster in space that is as strong as the being that created EVERYTHING in the nms universe... s
@nocturne sun And no I tried using my living ship to land in it.. did not work. 😂
nocturne sun
Wait its already in space..?
pseudo swift
I even tried ramming it and going into photo mode to try to peak inside.
nocturne sun
Where?
indigo smelt
Two hypothesis:
- The abyss used to be part of the atlas and it broke away from the atlas.
- The abyss' universe made for easy exploitation and resulted in rampant advancement and now the entity leading the civilization created technology that can cause boundary failures.
nocturne sun
Like the pupil becoming better than the master
pseudo swift
Here, something called an asteroid larvae.. but tell me if it's a larvae, what's after? It's a pulse event. https://www.google.com/search?q=nms+asteroid+larvae&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiQvuPp98XpAhVFS60KHXAeBM8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=nms+asteroid+larvae&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzICCAA6BAgjECc6BAgAEEM6BggAEAgQHjoECAAQHjoECAAQGFDSO1jYSGDcSWgAcAB4AIABsAGIAaUPkgEEMC4xNZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=cvfGXpC9BsWWtQXwvJD4DA&bih=969&biw=1920
Clearly a relation to the abyssal horrors.
indigo smelt
We do have the mind-arc device going on, so we know inter-boundary tech is possible.
nocturne sun
Huh...
uncut harness
I completely disregarded the mind arc being useful, you make a good point.
pseudo swift
I mean Artemis story is also that of boundary failure, right? Just a dead traveler from another universe?
indigo smelt
It is.
pseudo swift
Well, all of the characters I guess.
indigo smelt
There is even an hypothesis that states the boundary failure ring-shaped devices are failed experiments to travel to other universes.
nocturne sun
Alright i gotta finish a math test, ill brb
indigo smelt
I'm leaning towards civilizations having tech that's simply too advanced for their own good and thus causing glitches in the atlas.
pseudo swift
Dang I love a good lore chat sometimes, I used to be an article writer for skyrimforums that included lore, tips, tricks, etc. Talked about the invasions of Akavir and all that, kind of miss being a loremaster but oh well.
indigo smelt
I think I saw you on there, not sure.
I was lurking.
Are the alluring specimen creatures related to The Abyss?
I wonder, is the living ship related to The Abyss?
Is there a page filled with lore of The Abyss?
Are whispering eggs related to the Abyss?
gloomy isle
Apparently the next big update is called Generations
indigo smelt
There is News!?!
indigo smelt
Who is the source?
gloomy isle
I'll check give us a sec
He mentions it in here but Idk
Just thought I'd mention it
indigo smelt
Don’t buy it.
Looks like someone posting what they wish to be true.
Let’s start at the beginning, what do we know about The Abyss?
- We know it’s a biological entity.
gloomy isle
Ooh where did we learn that?
indigo smelt
Well, it’s related to the abyssal horrors, the eye ones, in the ocean. If you look up in discord, there are even abyssal horrors in space.
gloomy isle
Ahh ok
But organic doesn't have to come from organic surely?
I mean, the atlas made all the normal life we've seen
And the atlas isn't organic. Though you could be right
nocturne sun
Back
Fucking hate math
But if i wanna pass my classes gotta retake some tests
Anyway
pseudo swift
What if it's another digital entity that maybe created the abyss and abyssals? Do we know about the monstrosities or is that just another Korvax experiment? 😛
indigo smelt
Huh, rewatching the quest. The first terminal seems to suggest that the abbyssal horrors and the corruption of terminals are creatures that are related and that some kind of entity purged the terminal of timestamps.
That means the abyss has been around as long as the whispering eggs.
indigo smelt
That’s what’s suggested.
pseudo swift
Yeah I mean they wipe out life, which was created by.. you guessed it, the Atlas.
nocturne sun
So then the atlas created these eggs as another way to wipe out life...
Maybe its like... a virsu
virus*
pseudo swift
Or the Abyss, perhaps.
nocturne sun
Like staying in the simulation what if the whispering eggs and the purple slime stuff in abandoned buildings and the abyssal horrors were something the atlas created that formed into more of a virus
indigo smelt
It’s not like the abyssal horrors like to stay away from the goo stuff. They even enjoy each other’s company.
The sentinels stay away from them however.
nocturne sun
Exactly...
pseudo swift
It is worth noting the sentinels don't like it when you destroy a monstrosity from the eggs.
nocturne sun
Thats true...
indigo smelt
Huh?
nocturne sun
Yeah ive gotten bumrushed by monstrosities and sentinels when i was doing a quicksilver mission
pseudo swift
The green bois, sentinels will attack you if they catch you killing a monstrosity.
nocturne sun
So they must be connected then...
Okay wait
What if
Pugneum, is the same substance thats found on abandoned building walls
pseudo swift
Unless the monstrosities are somehow masked as a common creature and it looks like the anomaly is destroying Atlas life?
nocturne sun
That would back up my virus theory, as a virus wants to cover itself up
indigo smelt
If the atlas likes to destroy life, it can just use the sentinels. Think that universe where the sentinels destroyed all life.
pseudo swift
That would then explain why the Atlas would protect it, but originate from the Abyss.
nocturne sun
But maybe like... the monstrosities were an attempt at a sentinel like being at the start...
Then that went to hell so atlas made sentinels...
Okay were all over the place... lets try to agree on one idea...
indigo smelt
Maybe the abyss is causing glitches because it’s slowly absorbing the atlas and trying to take over? And because it has infected the atlas itself, it’s personality, the sentinels see the biological horrors as part of the atlas.
nocturne sun
then we can add on from their
indigo smelt
So you attacking the green creature is you attacking the atlas itself.
nocturne sun
So we can agree that the abyssal horror is not a atlas creation..? Or other way around?
indigo smelt
Remember that the sentinels are also the simulation equivalent of antivirus software.
nocturne sun
Okay so that makes sense...
indigo smelt
The sentinels are based on the korvax.
nocturne sun
Okay...
indigo smelt
I don’t see any evidence of the atlas creating the abyss in a directly intended way, it’s more plausible that it’s created as a consequence of the universe that created it.
nocturne sun
..?
Im only 15 please dumb that down lol
Okay i get some of it...
I dont think the atlas made it either... or atleast not on purpose...
It couldve been made in a glitch universe... merely a bug in the system
indigo smelt
If you start a simulation with different starting variables, you end up with a different result. If the sun was a red dwarf, life on earth wouldn’t exist. If earth got moved beyond its orbit or started somewhere else, life as we know it wouldn’t be possible.
nocturne sun
So like... i have a good example
Fallout
Well huge spoiler for thst game
So ill let you read at your own risk
indigo smelt
It’s the difference between that and atlas creating the traveler.
nocturne sun
||each vault was actually just a test to see different survival situations, every vault having their own demise with something different then the other. Its kind like how as you said, every universe that the atlas created is different for better or for worse||
indigo smelt
Exactly.
nocturne sun
So one universe could be completely different than the other no..?
indigo smelt
Yes.
nocturne sun
Like... a universe completely consisting of anomalies or devoid of all life at all
indigo smelt
Boundary failures are when the boundaries between universes collapse. They are the very product of another universe.
nocturne sun
Could it be possible that instead of making another universe the collapse of one universe created the abyssal horror?
Or whatever that larvae thing is
indigo smelt
Devoid of all life yes. There is a universe where the sentinels wiped out all life and decided to fight themselves after that.
grizzled apex
@indigo smelt
That one was deleted from the multiversal hierarchy, no?
indigo smelt
Dunno.
grizzled apex
Oh yea that's what happened, just checked the Boundary failiure logs.
What happened to the abyss? The entity thought to hold power equal to that of the Atlas?
uncut harness
When in the artemis quest can I start using portals freely?
prime inlet
after you get all 16 glyphs
you don't actually need all 16 at the same time to activate a portal, but you will need them anyway
jovial stag
but you will need them anyway
@prime inlet Yep, especially if the address you wish to visit includes any of the higher numbered glyphs
prime inlet
@jovial stag 🙂 when he mentioned "freely", my mind kinda went "you don't need the quest to get all 16 glyphs, but yeah, after you get all 16 glyphs"
indigo smelt
I noticed 3 spheres in the ocean, all of them attached to the ground using 4 large cables each. They appear to be some kind of device. What are those? They aren't on an boundary failure planet.
pseudo swift
They seem like the same stuff that can be found on certain boundary planets, so really idk lol.
prime inlet
weekend community research mission: 12 living pearl
indigo smelt
Really?
prime inlet
yep
indigo smelt
Aside from Euclid, which galaxy is most populous?
uncut harness
Eissentam
uncut harness
An equal sudden decline after Euclid and Eissentam would be my guess.
indigo smelt
Why are so many in Euclid, all new?
uncut harness
It's the first galaxy and most realize there's no need to leave.
Eissentam for 2nd most populated cause it's the first option for Lush universe.
indigo smelt
No need to leave? There is so much to explore still.
uncut harness
Nah not really, the difference between Universes is so tiny that it's not worth the effort.
indigo smelt
Compare eisentam to Calypso, or to Budullangr.
nocturne sun
Whats the differences between them?
indigo smelt
Eissentam is mostly lush, Calypso is extreme, Budullangr is mostly empty. Euclid is normal.
There are 4 types: Empty, Harsh, Lush and Normal.
nocturne sun
Oh
Theirs huge differences? And what do the final atlas seeds do
Like exosuit wise
indigo smelt
I heard crazy numbers about Eissentam, like 90% lush, but that could be a rumor.
nocturne sun
Im in eissantam and theirs usually 2 or more tropical planets
So not too far fetched
Like per solar system
indigo smelt
Wow.
viral acorn
what does uploading the base do
nocturne sun
Uploads it to multiplayer
viral acorn
ah
indigo smelt
Might want to be careful about galaxy choice then.
nocturne sun
Yeah lmao
Anyone know what the heart of the sun and remembrance seeds do when you install them
To your exosuit
indigo smelt
Both are extra health, remembrance allows access to remembrance terminals, which is extra lore. I think star seed shows black holes, not sure.
nocturne sun
How much health?
indigo smelt
- One health, not shields.
viral acorn
I've never heard of remembrance terminals, damn
be sure to choose wipe system when ur at the final interface then pick the green galaxy in order to reach eissentam through the artemis storyline
uncut harness
Will finishing the artemis quest damage my ship upgrades if I choose to reset the simulation?
jovial stag
the use of black holes or changing galaxies, which happens in the Atlas Path and the Artemis questline ||will break stuff that's not in Technology slots... so that's suit/ship and multitool|| 😉
uncut harness
Guess i'm staying in euclid
jovial stag
well the trick is... use a non upgraded ship such as the starter one if you still have it, if not, go buy one and same for the MT buy a duff one you only set active when doing stuff that may damage it.. only thing then you have to worry about is the suit which is easy fixed... make a manual save and an auto one do the deed (black hole/change galaxy) then see what's broke then reload the manual save and get the stuff to fix it then do it again and just repair it job done, then switch back to normal MT and normal ship. Easy! @uncut harness
jovial stag
you can have upgrades in the suit/ship but if they are in the tech slots they are protected...
uncut harness
The thing is I already have 6 upgrades for things, I can't put it all in tech
prime inlet
Both are extra health, remembrance allows access to remembrance terminals, which is extra lore. I think star seed shows black holes, not sure.
@indigo smelt Star seed gives one extra health - black hole location is unlocked when completing the Atlas path itself, not because of using the tech
prime inlet
The thing is I already have 6 upgrades for things, I can't put it all in tech
@uncut harness find yourself a junk ship
thinking of pushing to HD today.. want to find a relic gate and use that to travel towards the core.
uncut harness
That goes for my exosuit too but I guess I can just get the upgrades again
prime inlet
just have the needed resources to repair it
you dont lose the upgrades, they just become damaged
actually.. finding relic gates in all galaxies might be a cool long term goal.
stable shore
@prime inlet Relic Gates can go either way, best distance Coreword was about 9K, Fringeward almost 700K
Relic Gates near the core trend to large distances away. They are not a good way to the Core, best is to warp to a COreword BH go through it, Repeat
prime inlet
yeah, i know all that already, we were having this discussion the other day
to me it's not always about whats more efficient
and 9k RLY is still pretty good.
and btw, i did a fringeward warp in that system i shared the other day that travelled 718k
jovial stag
@uncut harness this is the result of one of my earlier experiments, this resulted in me moving the Star Seed and Remembrance to the tech slots so they are protected from damage during a galaxy change
lucid berry
so what's the weekend event this time?
uncut harness
it is
special
just like all the other collect ___ to secure rift but this time underwater @lucid berry
lucid berry
ahh, should bring enough materials to build a nautilus, thanks
nocturne sun
.timely
copper kelpBOT
nocturne sun
What the hell is this for?
quiet horizon
cloud joltBOT
fringe turtle
Running the Void Egg mission and I'm to the point where I have to go into the abandoned building to acquire something. Someone built a base on the building and blocked the door to prevent anyone from entering. Don't these stupid people realize that the only thing that happens is the base gets reported and removed. Some people are just assholes.
zinc birch
Agree. Like sure, build a cool base if you want , don't make it so people can't still do the objective .
fringe turtle
HG just need to make places like this unclaimable to prevent anyone from building on them. Just go 400u away and build to your heart's content.
crisp fern
Or just don't allow you to upload bases built around points of interest, think that would be the best of both worlds. Allows one to build immediately around structures, but doesn't allow you to do mild grief builds like this.
prime inlet
i used to get really annoyed because of being unable to build a exo summoning station, because people turn off others building permissions.
mental socket
I didn't know that it would affect people outside of your group
unless you were near their base
uncut harness
@fringe turtle if you let people build only 400u away... they are dedicated enough to build a fucking dome around the entire area
craggy sluice
Rainbow starship trail when
uncut harness
hopefully never
fringe turtle
@uncut harness I suppose you're right.
craggy sluice
But why? I wanna fly a ship farting rainbows all around the cosmos
craggy sluice
Yeah killing pirates on a rainbow farting living ship would be glorious
hasty ledge
uncut harness
if only they added explosives
it would fullfill many peoples dreams to fly around the universe blowing every planet and space station they see to pieces
im talkin BIG explosives
like atmoic bombs
oh wait those wouldnt work in space
um
huge ass laser-related explosives
heady wyvern
I feel like those would conflict with the general tone of the game, ngl.
uncut harness
no
they would add to it
the game is made to fullfill the type of person you want to be, but throughout the entire universe
heady wyvern
Anyway you wish to interpret it.
But from everything I've seen from this game, nuclear-scale explosives won't feel right.
uncut harness
oh yes they will
i have over 800 hours on ps4 and nothibg would feel better than explosions
heady wyvern
But from everything I've seen from this game, nuclear-scale explosives won't feel right
This is an opinion. We do not have to refute opinions.
pseudo swift
if only they added explosives
@uncut harness I mean I at least enjoy placing C4 on things in Empyrion (still waiting on update there and on NMS)
Just fun to do any kind of breaching, really.
Also was an option in something called StarMade, even setting up a ship that would self-destruct later lol.
(also made ship ramming/kamikaze an option)
indigo smelt
I hear characters say "do not drink the water" and crash logs say "We drank the water", what does that mean? What water?
heady wyvern
Must be alternate-universe water.
indigo smelt
That's possible, but not very helpful. One of my early theories I had is that it had something to do with the atlas, but I don't have much to back up other than the crimson eye being mentioned in those respective logs.
It's possible the travelers see the atlas when they die, which probably makes a lot more sense.
jovial stag
@indigo smelt could be something like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waters_of_Mars
or put another way ||drink the water and bad stuff happens||
heady wyvern
That sounds like something HG would do.
stoic beacon
There's a lot of scattered lore between the abandoned buildings and all the crash logs
I'm not really sure how much any of it fits together
Because a lot of it's been added at wildly different times in the development of the overall story
zinc birch
Strangely while the lore has been drip feed added to in a sense . It's pretty coherent if you were to "Piece it together " from start to current end . Quite a few youtubers and bloggers have collected the data for those interested in viewing/ reading
rotund lance
@indigo smelt I think it's refereing to what the Korvax did to the Geks. The water was laced with nanites and it changed their nature
slender idol
The water? The korvax comitted suicide over the gek spawning pits
indigo smelt
Wasn't it the Vy'keen who did, with Hirk?
slender idol
the korvax spilt their nanite laden blood to reprogram the gek dna
i dont know that the vykeen were defeated. The korvax only had access to the spawning pits by virtue of their status as slaves of the gek first spawn overlords
although, this is the Euclid history. I presume, every galaxy should have its own trajectory
Of course, i got remembrance, and ive opened enough of the matrix rooms that I doubt everything now.
indigo smelt
Every galaxy has its own lore?
idle jay
I think there was a video talking about what it could look like. It was really cool so let me find it
Ok Im unable to find it but to summarize it proposed the idea of bringing the galaxy number from 256 all the way down to 16. Each galaxy would end up having its own unique story. For example, Euclid would have the base lore we are familiar. Then another galaxy would involve you joining a pirate crew. There were a lot of really cool concepts in the video
indigo smelt
256 = 16*16.
nova coyote
Could just be a varient of the current universe. Next galaxy over the gek are warriors, korvax are greedy and the vykeen explore, etc
indigo smelt
Nah, I like the idea of the current race triad as they are, story variations should be fine though.
short idol
so i just finished the part where i put artemis' conciousness into the simulation
im wondering how long until i get to the mission where i get the freighter for free
slender idol
its implied in the meta lore of the atlas. every galaxy tends to get gek, vykeen, korvax as constants. but the stories they play out are different each time.
so we dont know the lore of the other galaxies, but its in the lore, as it were, that they are different
@short idol you get the free freighter right after starting the game. Your third warp ever should spawn your first space battle encounter.
zinc rivet
mission where you get freighter for free has nothing to do with story 😉 It's isolated...
btw guys: I had story mission, where I had to reach centre of galaxy (I guess it was Artemis storyline? dunno) But then I finished the game. I have reset the simulation, saw many 16s, talked with Atlas, teleported to different galaxy, etc etc. I just beat the game. But now The mission about reaching the centre of galaxy dissapeared
is it bug, or is it how it's supposed to be?
because I have bought exotic ship, upgraded it by 6 S-class modules for hyperdrive and now I'm ready to travel to centre... but I realized no quest requires it anymore. Confusing...
stoic beacon
I guess it thinks you don't wanna keep galaxy hopping after the one time.
zinc rivet
what do you mean?
stoic beacon
Maybe after you hop galaxies one time, the game doesn't think you would want to do it again, so it doesn't give you the path.
Which would be odd
but it seems like that's what's happening
zinc rivet
in the galaxy map, I can still choose "Centre of Galaxy" route. Aswell as black hole, Atlas interface and free explore :)
But the quest is just not there. I'm leaning to the possibility, that it's a bug.
or that all story quests just disappear, if player finishes Atlas story.
prime inlet
No
First, Artemis path is only completable once per save
Second, reaching the centre of the galaxy isn't required for any of the quests, even if it might say so
Reaching the centre of the galaxy by any of the other means would be/is the same as resetting the simulation in The Purge, except there is no player choice
If you already have all the rewards (star seed, remembrance bps) then you're done with the main quests
zinc rivet
thats also the thing. I have never had to craft star seeds. I just have blueprints, but I have never used them. But I'm 100% sure I have finished the Atlas Path.
prime inlet
Star Seed is an exosuit tech, as is Remembrance. Can you install them?
zinc rivet
oh, sorry, I meant atlas seeds https://nomanssky.gamepedia.com/Atlas_Seed
prime inlet
Naturally, you'll only have Star Seed if you chose to birth a new star in Atlas path
If you refused, you won't have star seed available to you
zinc rivet
I'm starting to think that this game hates me
i decided to restart the universe
but have no seed. Crafted no seed, used no seed, never seen any seed
prime inlet
That's on the Artemis path
zinc rivet
then it teleported me to Eissatam galaxy. End of game.
prime inlet
Then the only other way to verify if you completed the Atlas path is whether or not you have black hole system!s marked on your galaxy map (same symbol marker as a save beacon, a black star over a white BG)
zinc rivet
yeah, I have it working, but I'm not using it, because it damages my ship every time I fly through 😄
thanx for your help anyways
but I think my game is bugged. My quests are not corresponding to NMS WIKI
prime inlet
Doesn't matter, that tells you already completed atlas path
zinc birch
Black holes only damages tech in general slots, not in tech slots. Use a ship with only tech in tech slots and you'll be fine for black holes
prime inlet
Take a screenshot of your Log screen
zinc rivet
will do
prime inlet
BTW, what @zinc birch said applies to ships
zinc rivet
prime inlet
Exosuit tech in general does not get damaged, no need for concern there
zinc rivet
good, might use thos eblack holes then 🙂
prime inlet
New begginings is Artemis path, complete
Select Atlas path, and take another screenshot
prime inlet
Can you craft Heart of the sun?
zinc birch
You can reset the quest
You're "far enough away" now
So you can get a new marker using your current location
prime inlet
Should be under Curiosities on the craft menu, @zinc rivet
zinc rivet
I can't find it. Propably not
prime inlet
You haven't completed Atlas path.
zinc rivet
oh dang it. I was almost sure I beat the game. Boys on discord told me I did few weeks ago 😄
but you figured it out well, thanx for help
now I know what to do
finally
prime inlet
As @zinc birch said, trigger the reset
zinc rivet
I definitely thought, that 16 16 16 16... reseting universe, travelling to Eissetam etc. is the end.
yeah
prime inlet
It will reset the quest to use the nearest locations available
Ask Nada or Polo the location of the next atlas station if you need to after resetting
zinc rivet
It's exciting. I got more content to go through 🙂 Nice
zinc birch
When you "run out"
There's always base building .
And seeing cool stuff other people made too
zinc rivet
But I got like 500 millions of money and nowhere to spend it 😄
zinc rivet
thank you very much for your promptitude 😉
prime inlet
Anytime
zinc rivet
on WIKI they say, that there are 3 story missions. But I can count only two. Atlas Path and Artemis Path. Whose is the third path please?
prime inlet
Space anomaly
zinc rivet
oh, ok
deep bough
I'm at the 16/16 mission on the artemis path. How close am I to finishing the artemis path?
oh I checked the wiki never mind
slender idol
why the hell couldnt we just put artemis in a korvax casing? thats literally what they are.
deep bough
or get him into some sort of robotic body like apollo
heady wyvern
I'm not entirely sure how that works.
But if you can put a person in a simulation like that...
slender idol
we have a whole race that move their digital beings into and out of shells.
we have Apollo, a traveler thats replaced his organic self with a robotic shell because of some incident.
we have Artemis, trapped in a piece of technology that we clearly have the technology to manipulate as we canmove him from there into other technology.
We have multiple demonstrations that the state of technology in Euclid easilly caters for finding Artemis an alternate shell of some kind to inhabit. But strangely no.
Its like a story about birds on a world of birds. And they fly everywhere. but they come to a ravine they need to cross and suddenly its "woe - we need to build a bridge for storyline reasons."
indigo smelt
Yeah, I don't get it either.
uncut harness
the story is nice but wack
zinc rivet
never thought about it that way
dammit boys
you are right. Why the heck is Artemis in simulation, while we could easily put her in robo body?
daaamn. I shouldn't have read your conversation...
zinc birch
This is personal headcanon and opinion ;
I thought it wasn't finding a body that was an issue for Artemis . It was her mind .
Putting her in the simulation would allow her to explore things to her heart's content while "safe ." Even if in an unaware limbo.
Meanwhile if we did put her in a new shell. She would attempt this (exploring ) just like before and possibly die or become hunted by sentinels.
stoic beacon
Maybe someday we can enter the korvax homeworld simulator with them.
stoic beacon
Like
That’s the sort of stuff that I would want them to meticulously handcraft
Rather than all the normal planets
heady bramble
I’m at the centre, how do I get to a new galaxy
empty cedar
I’m at the centre, how do I get to a new galaxy
@heady bramble see #nms-questions message
heady bramble
I’ve met the conditions but it’s not working, really weird
empty cedar
That's happened to me before. I don't know what causes it, but you might try using a different ship, which fixed it for me a couple of times.
heady bramble
Alright I’ll try it, thanks
Tried using another ship. Still didn’t work, gonna restart my game
heady bramble
Man it still ain’t working wtf
gusty stream
@heady bramble Is your hyperdrive fully charged?
heady bramble
Yes I got it working. I had to ask polo a black hole location and the galactic core route updated to another system and worked for a strange reason but I appreciate the help. I’m now in doctinyima
Wait wtf, it put me in the galactic core
empty cedar
Wait wtf, it put me in the galactic core
@heady bramble you just stumbled across a possible exploit
sour grove
do black holes drop you off closer to the center each time or is the drop always random?
sour grove
ok, gonna give that a shot... i'm currently about 650LY from center
gonna save right before and reload if it goes bad
indigo smelt
So the Abyss keeps saying the number 16. What if the abyss is a computer virus? And the reason rebooting doesn’t work is because the virus keeps hiding in the files that the system uses to reset from, or Atlas got infected before the backup was done.
idle jay
Another theory is that the Abyss is its own separate computer just like the Atlas. It just managed to bleed into the Atlas simulation and may or may not be trying to take over like you said
indigo smelt
So many hypothesis, we need to categorize them:
1.) Boundary Failure: Abyss originates within the simulation, comes from another dimension.
2.) Infection/Hacking: The Abyss comes from outside the simulation and managed to Infect the Atlas.
3.) Atlas Remnant: The Abyss comes from Atlas self, be it a broken piece or a creation by the Atlas that had a will of it’s own.
uncut harness
(To add to the 3rd point, which I agree w/ the most)
Or a side-effect of ATLAS & its subsidiary simulations dying, where the supercomputer’s fall is channeling its mixed emotions including rampancy (which we know was there already) that creates the Abyss to represent anger/fear towards its death, or just as a general unintended symptom.
Abyss does mean a dark, bottomless chasm. Atlas would almost certainly be falling into a chasm during death, especially swallowed by it as it dies (which is why we are seeing more of it per-update as the simulation slowly crashes).
Also 16 probably means the number of minutes it has to live. If Abyss is a rogue part of the ATLAS meant to represent rampancy towards death, or a general crash of the system, then this is an easy connection.
It is infatuated with repeating how many minutes it has to live because it is an extension of the ATLAS entirely dedicated to it—upping the ante and creating monstrosities in its lament.
slender idol
i dont think there is an end to it.
you get a atlas card v3 and a remeberance and access a supercomputer. you run a simulation of everything. including yourself and the atlas.
that simulation will include you, finding a supercomputer and running a simlation of everything
and so on.
the? abysss is, there can be no end to the simulations. Every simulation of the universe including the atlas, must include a supuercomputer with a recursive simulation.
and, in every one of those, you give a copy of yourself to the atlas to keep
heady bramble
@empty cedar I think I did. It keeps putting me at the centre every time. How do I stop it ?
slender idol
and, if anything meets the definition of dark, bottomless chasm....
also, how did i play 200h and not notice an "abyss"?
zinc birch
@sour grove
While the distance black holes will send you is random; I've had them send me from 1,600 to over 1 million light years . They will always send you in the direction of the center .
Just be sure to use a ship with tech strictly in the tech inventory . Otherwise you run the risk of damaged tech
prime inlet
@sour grove
They will always send you in the direction of the center .
measured in RLY
real light years
that's the distance that matters
you could go through a black hole, that after you come out the other side, that will say that you travelled a million LY, but very few black holes will actually warp you, in RLY, a million LY closer to the core.
mostly because those super black holes are located in the fringe of galaxies
almost all black holes will only push a player 6 to 7k RLY closer to the core
uncut harness
ayy i can finally unmute this 😄
uncut harness
@slender idol you’re right, it is a continuous trail of simulations—but the whole of it likely stems from one atlas that exists in “base reality” that is dying, which is also detailed with remembrance. If it wasn’t dying, we wouldn’t have multiplayer, neither
heady wyvern
So, basically, a "turtles all the way down" system?
slender idol
because we ran a similation in our atlas. which must have fired off an infinite number of simulations
uncut harness
It is, but I’m pretty sure remembrance implied that version of the atlas is the central unit. It did say they exist in a simulation too, but never clarified that to be part of the atlas cascade
The simulations might be indefinite without beginning or end, but I’ve always seen that text to detail the beginning of the atlas, even if it continues indefinitely. If it’s not, the text would be strange because the whole of it is based on the premise of the first atlas IMO. There wouldn’t be a reason to focus on it if not
heady wyvern
Yet, each of these infinite simulations must be dependent on a single, "prime" Atlas.
uncut harness
yes
heady wyvern
That "prime" is our base.
slender idol
each one of the simulations would think its the prime
uncut harness
how do you get this remembrance thing tho
slender idol
it is, afterall, a simulation, and it would produce a faulty answer if it knew it wasnt
heady wyvern
Artemis quest.
uncut harness
oh
heady wyvern
Yes, but objectively speaking, there must be one prime.
slender idol
The point really is, why does atlas know its dying? its a recursive argument?
it knows its dying because its learnt its a simualtion!
uncut harness
I’m very certain it’s because of a black hole. The game talks a few times about that, and one can infer the reason why the creator leaves the atlas’ planet is to escape it
slender idol
that has run its course and is being shut down
heady wyvern
Any decent machine would have self-diagnostic systems, given the tech level that the Atlas displays.
slender idol
So, each Atlas in the stack boots up runs for a while. things start to go wrong. it builds a super computer to find out why. and figure out its just a simulation, thats going to be turned off when its 16 minutes runtime is done.
uncut harness
If it was dying because it knew it was in a sim I think it would be a little more obvious. But anyways, the game goes out of its way to say why it’s dying already, and it doesn’t appear to be that IMO
But we’ll see for good as times goes on, especially with Greg Buchanan writing more lore who did the 1.3 “Artemis” storyline
But it could be simple and not particularly connected to this, nobody knows yet
The atlas's self diagnostics system is Telamon, and in the boudary failures it is the one talking
The atlas got annoyed at it for saying something was wrong, and i got put in your exosuit
idle jay
I’m kind of hoping whatever story stuff Greg is writing has to do with the Atlas and the remaining minutes it still has
It’s one of my favorite parts of the lore
And another thing. This new story stuff better end up giving me the feels
empty cedar
@empty cedar I think I did. It keeps putting me at the centre every time. How do I stop it ?
@heady bramble not sure this got answered, but to stop it you would avoid using black holes close to the center. From what I've read, that should reset the distance.
soft hawk
@idle jay I think it'll either involve 'fixing' it or realising nothing can be done. The Atlas could then link you up to its successor and thus it sets up NMS2
slender idol
theres already kind of an end to that story.
if you do enough of the supercomputers with rememberance
on one of the simulations you get told what happens in the last moments of the last minute
and i think that is as far as the atlas storyline ever needs take it in terms of being explicit
its like, there is a script for the movie Groundhog day, in which the cause of the recurring day is given an explanation.
it would have ruined the movie.
gloomy isle
So are we thinking there's news soon?
deep bough
so at the part after 16/16 where you can chose to complete the atlas path, go to the center of the galaxy and reset the simulation, or explore the galaxy I chose to explore the galaxy. is it normal to have the atlas path mission removed and the purge kept? (sorry if that was all kinda in a lump)
indigo smelt
Yes. Just go back to an atlas interface and the mission will be back on your log.
empty cedar
Another way I stumbled across is to locate a crash site on a dead/weird planet. There won't be a crashed starship there, but the round cockpit thing or whatever will give you an Atlas interaction that yields a new waypoint.
craggy sluice
I can't craft the damn remembrance even when I'm already done with the story because the game won't let me continue the atlas path
deep bough
do i get all the portal glyphs from completing 16/16?
idle jay
@idle jay I think it'll either involve 'fixing' it or realising nothing can be done. The Atlas could then link you up to its successor and thus it sets up NMS2
@soft hawk That’s also a very plausible outcome
uncut harness
Cool idea! but sean has said he wants to keep updateing the original for a while
uncut harness
why is it thag people hate the gek.first spawm empire ?
idle jay
I mean they did enslave the Korvax so...
uncut harness
people say that they also attack the korvax homeworld
idle jay
Yep
uncut harness
can i see the korvax homeworld in nms
idle jay
I believe they also prevented the Vy'keen from permanently driving the sentinels out of the galaxy
It is not possible to see their homeworld
uncut harness
isnt sentinels the annoying one ?
so the korvax woeship the atlas which thw vykeen hate is that true?
idle jay
I think so
uncut harness
do gek hatw the korvax or vykeen?
idle jay
Not entirely sure
stoic beacon
The vykeen don't necessarily hate the atlas, they just don't vibe with it
None of the races have a particular loathing for each other in modern times either
The korvax are especially forgiving
idle jay
The Vy'keen for sure hate the Gek though
pseudo swift
Gek do have a disdain towards the Vy'keen in general, First Spawn would war with them.
stoic beacon
And remember, they're all content to work under the same roof in your base, and be a bit of a family.
pseudo swift
I have 100% of the language done and many Gek say they don't trust Vy'keen.
stoic beacon
Yeah the vykeen don't like the gek too much
idle jay
Can you blame them? They nearly got rid of the sentinels. And then it was all ruined by the Gek
pseudo swift
That's why the Vy'keen believe only they can be trusted with weapons, after the atrocities of the First Spawn.
stoic beacon
The sentinels were building up a mega army on the outskirts to begin with, but yeah, the gek did mess things up quite a bit
pseudo swift
Who were genetically inclined towards violence until the Korvax cut themselves open over their spawning grounds, genetically modifying them to love trade and not war.
pseudo swift
Korvax are the secret heroes haha.
idle jay
Plus Daft Punk so...
prime inlet
In Convergence We Trust
grizzled apex
@idle jay another thing to note would be that the Atlas, which can predict its death, is unable to see past a point, when it sees another person stand besides it. A third option could be that the creator fixes it or perhaps shuts it down, sparing it a painful death.
I believe reading that there is a better version if the Atlas out there somewhere, perhaps with its creators. Maybe the creator shuts down the Atlas, removes the memory (Which includes the Simulations that the atlas created including ours) and places it into the better version if the Atlas. That might be the explanation for a GIANT update
deep bough
(so uh please do not get mad at me for re-posting this question, it was just pushed up a lot) do i automatically get every portal glyph once i beat the main chunk of the artemis path? (as in after 16/16)
prime inlet
yes
deep bough
oh niiiiice
prime inlet
on The Purge, you will do 16 warps, for the 16 glyphs
if no glyph was learned at that point
deep bough
if i chose "explore the galaxy" at the decision thing can i still do that?
and what if i had like 2 glyphs already? is it just 14 warps?
prime inlet
iirc, yes
deep bough
alright
prime inlet
that decision is made at the very end of The Purge, it can only be done after all glyphs are known to the player
(getting all glyphs will trigger "The Final Interface")
slender idol
And if a different variant we are the creator. Because the atlas is the simulation we run. And we are in the simulation.
And in a different variant we give a true copy of ourself to the atlas
i don't think we are close to the top of the stack of atlas simulations.
why would we be. and why would our atlas be?
soft hawk
OK so here's the thing. We are all in a simulation right that the Atlas controls. I get that, and that makes perfect sense.
What I don't get is how the V'ykeen supposedly destroyed all the Sentinels before the Gek interfered. If it is just a simulation and the Sentinels can self replicate and essentially be anywhere then they'd always eventually win no matter the cost surely. They'd win on numbers alone and eventual attrition of their enemy. I also thought (though I may be wrong here) that the sentinels used the portals to get between distances quickly (would be nice to see swarms come from a portal occasionally). Does that mean an effective defence tactic of the V'ykeen would be to destroy portals near their worlds?
Lastly, what did happen to the home worlds? I hear they were destroyed but I've seen no lore to state this.
slender idol
our atlas, itself, being a simulation.
because in one of the simulations we saw a creator approach it in its final moments
Just as we were standing, at an atlas simulation in its literal final moments before we shut it down, or left it running with a copy of ourselves.
its us, all the way up and down the stack choosing, or not to let the atlas continue running at the end of its simulation, that determines its ultimate fate
violet narwhal
The sentinel numbers suddenly went down drastically in a recent game update. If you accept that as an in-universe change, or really even if you don't, there could have been a time where the sentinels weren't so ubiquitous, perhaps arriving in some other way, through portals or even using ships, which was perhaps too vulnerable to organized interference. The sentinels, or the Atlas, may have evolved to remove this loophole, basically spawning sentinels from nothing everywhere.
deep bough
Maybe the reason the setinals are able to be defeated is that the atlas only has a certain “storage space” when it comes to altering his simulation or the setinals
idle jay
I believe reading that there is a better version if the Atlas out there somewhere, perhaps with its creators. Maybe the creator shuts down the Atlas, removes the memory (Which includes the Simulations that the atlas created including ours) and places it into the better version if the Atlas. That might be the explanation for a GIANT update
@grizzled apex That actually makes a lot of sense. Perhaps part of the new story stuff can talk about the creator returning to transfer the memories of the Atlas to a new and better version
deep bough
But that would mean a complete re-write of a story
idle jay
When the AR story stuff was introduced that was technically a rewrite
Besides this wouldn't be a rewrite. This would be a continuation
deep bough
hmm
grizzled apex
@idle jay
Exactly. I had believed that NNS Wasnt gonna get any more story, which is why I initially threw this point out. But the recent news made me think
zinc birch
The thing with their "story" is that they really can do whatever they want with it .
The simulation can be ever changing . Either having minor alterations with time ( "glitches " ) or having grand evolutions (updates .)
Meanwhile when making the story "bigger " I agree it wouldn't be a rewrite .
We've been reading a book as it was being written , taking in everything that we could through these words to find that even all of this writing . Is contained in the smallest corner of the smallest room. In a much , much larger world .
brave sonnet
I’m very early on so haven’t read anything here as I don’t want to be spoiled, but I’m having a glitch that involves the story plot so thought it’s best to ask here, my primary mission ‘the space anomaly’ has been stuck at ‘bring news of Artemis’ lost signal to nada even though I’ve done that and progressed past, would anyone know what that’s about?
heady wyvern
Have you tried checking the other primary quests in your Log?
brave sonnet
They’re all running alright, I haven’t really started the whole atlas thing, but the top one, can’t remember what it’s called, I’m currently working with Apollo to do some stuff, they’re also working fine
heady wyvern
Then continue your business with Apollo.
brave sonnet
Reckon it’ll just sort itself out?
heady wyvern
Yeah.
meager igloo
can you kill the child of helious
indigo smelt
You can and you get something valuable from it.
Here is a thought: Anti-matter reactors work because atlas is failing.
Anyway, what is the world of glass exactly?
Is it a literal world of silicon glass?
soft hawk
Thanks for taking the time to answer @violet narwhal, even if this were the case though, I don't think there is any chance the Vy'keen could have repelled them indefinitely. From the bits of lore I've picked up, they still seem to be at war with the Sentinels. Would this then by proxy put them at war with the Korvax? Because they seem to get along in game. It would be interesting to see a fleet conflict happen between races with the option to pick a side if you wanted to
craggy sluice
I'm wondering about that world of glass too. Is it a planet? Another dimension? Or a sentient being?
soft hawk
Aren't Atlas Stations made of glass?
craggy sluice
And the crew in the Dreams of the deep might be a previous or future iteration of our traveller
soft hawk
I thought we were the very last traveller @craggy sluice the one based on the creator?
craggy sluice
Ah yeah, I remember Telamon saying that there is no such thing as time travel
I wish we could go to Balaron, Dryn'dargh and Korvax Prime
indigo smelt
Well, Null or Apollo says that the world of glass is another dimension, and that it's also used for record keeping.
indigo smelt
So we got the whispering eggs, the living ship, abyssal horrors, the number 16 and asteroid larvea. All of these things are anomalies, and all of those things appear biological. Well, biological inside the simulation.
What can we say about the abyss with this?
Can we rule out that it's something outside of the simulation, given it's clearly biological?
indigo smelt
Peculiar. Living ship techs are repaired with strange things. To repair; Neural assemblies require walker brains; Scream Suppressors require hadal cores; Singularity Cortexes require Larval Cores; and Grafted Eyes require Hypnotic Eyes.
idle jay
Either there is a lore reason or it's just because the names for each have to do with similar parts
indigo smelt
Or Both? I don't see them as mutually exclusive.
idle jay
Could be
indigo smelt
Also: during the starbirth quest you have this:
The egg intones a strange song, repeating:
The Hunter // The Reflection // The Hunter // The Spiral of Reality // The Star Over Water // The Ascending Orb // The Obscured Companion // The Hunter // The Lowly Insect // The Anomaly // The Sailor // The Ocean King // EUCLID EUCLID EUCLID
Not sure if the egg changes per galaxy.
idle jay
Not sure
indigo smelt
The Ocean king is an obvious reference to the abyss. Now, we don't know if "the Sailor" has to do with the abyss itself or perhaps some entity attached to the abyss.
"The Star Over Water // The Ascending Orb" have to do with the Atlas. This can be some kind of story, it can be anything, so interpreting this isn't straightforward.
There are no known references to stars related to the abyss, but there are references to the Atlas as a Crimson Star and as a star watching various travelers.
heady wyvern
@indigo smelt The egg only refers to Euclid. The quest only works for Euclid.
indigo smelt
You cannot do the quest in another galaxy?
indigo smelt
Now we have, the water. Various NPCs say: "Don't drink the water". We also have an entity residing in the ocean, as the korvax data shows. This water can be related to the abyss, but we need a bit more than a hint, especially since the strange water is also a connection to the world where sentinels eradicated all life. Nada's native universe.
The Hunter? Sentinels perhaps? Nothing conclusive.
"The Obscured Companion", maybe that's you, the last traveler? You have forces working to try and hide your influence, even prevent you from meeting each other. The scientist is in a loop that involves him getting "factory reset", helping you, getting disconnected from the convergence and then getting "factory reset" again. Again, just a hint.
What are your thoughts on this? I tried to piece it together as "A biological entity similar to the atlas as some kind of devil entity", but I don't even know if that makes sense?
nocturne sun
Huh...
I think its some sort of glitch in the systems
system*
Part of the atlas shutting down. Kinda like how the different travelers being able to be seen in space stations. Thats a glitch too
indigo smelt
Some hypothesis say that it's not a glitch, but the abyss is causing issues. The atlas has been reset too many counts for anyone to know and it clearly isn't working.
nocturne sun
Well then how the hell did this come about
Maybe its just one of those things we wont ever know the answer too
Kinda like the origins of the universe irl
indigo smelt
Some facilities have this log:
The research station contains a vast array of scanners and monitoring equipment directed at bodies of water throughout the system. It is searching for signs of something designated 'abyss'.
The scientists who worked here seem to have been comparing the transmissions associated with the Atlas to strange signals found within the water.
Before they went missing, the workers concluded that this 'abyss' seemed to hold a similar yet distinct energy signature to the Atlas itself. Another power in the universe...
{Examine the abyss}
I examine the records relating to the abyss. They show a repeating pattern of sixteen energy bursts, music that emerges from beneath the waves.
Contact appears to alter individual personality and objectives, changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power.
Infected Nanite Clusters appear to be present within the archives. I take some of them. It seems to be for the best...
---TECHFRAG_M---
That is not just some kind of glitch.
nocturne sun
Thats fair point...
I think the 16 energy bursts has some importance
Kinda a nod at the atlas.
indigo smelt
16 is the most important number in No man's sky.
nocturne sun
So we know this “abyss” thing is obviously a god
Exactly...
Maybe its not a being like atlas
The atlas is a being, able to think on its own. Like AI
Maybe this abyss thing is more of nature
heady wyvern
Maybe it's just an abstract?
nocturne sun
Explain?
heady wyvern
A concept, more like?
indigo smelt
What?
heady wyvern
I dunno.
nocturne sun
Yeah explain a little better lol
heady wyvern
Actually, sorry for butting in with such tripe.
indigo smelt
No, I don't think that makes sense. It's clearly some kind of entity.
heady wyvern
I'll let the smart dudes take over.
nocturne sun
Well then we should talk about how it came about...
Yazz im not too fluent with this stuff myself. Need to do more research
What are some theories?
indigo smelt
"changing even the most devoted Korvax into an agent of some unfathomable power." and we have a world where sentinels wiped out all life and the person who made the freighter log appears to drink some strange water. "Do not drink the water" or "We drank the water".
nocturne sun
That could be an expression lol
Like the drinking the kool aid cuz remember this is a game made by humans
indigo smelt
I am just trying to draw connections here.
indigo smelt
I advice you look up to what was said earlier to get a bit of a picture.
nocturne sun
Okay...
I truthfully think its a corruption in the atlas
Theirs no way that this could come about in a simulation that the atlas created on purpose
indigo smelt
In order to piece together what's happening, we need to take a look around and gather all the pieces of dialogue and logs referencing each other.
idle jay
The abyss being a corruption of the Atlas makes sense. What if it was created due to the system failures of the Atlas that are coming about because of it slow death
nocturne sun
Exactlt
indigo smelt
I agree that the atlas did not intentionally create the abyss. It would not make sense for the Atlas, a being that sees itself as a god and wants to be worshipped and obeyed, to create another god, especially one that doesn't obey the atlas.
idle jay
Maybe the abyss is also a similar concept to those anomalies that pop up during weekend missions. It could have formed the same exact way as those anomalies but managed to get out of hand unlike the other ones
nocturne sun
So lets first start with a hypothesis
indigo smelt
Now, define corruption. Corruption is a vague term.
nocturne sun
like a glitch or virus
nocturne sun
We cant say this “being” is evil until we do research
Unless one of you has done so
idle jay
I haven't
For all we know the abyss could be good. But I think it still would have been formed the same either way
nocturne sun
Yeah what star said
So we all think that this abyss is some sort of mistake, like a glitch or virus or bug
And it could be evil, good, or like nature, rogue
Yes..?
Or no?
indigo smelt
I don't have any evidence towards it being evil or good. I don't know the causation between atlas and the problems related to the atlas.
idle jay
Wait a second. I just thought of something
indigo smelt
The correlation is clearly there, however.
nocturne sun
Okay so lets start with a compact hypothesis
Then we can work up from their
Agreed?
idle jay
Agreed
indigo smelt
I am willing to humor you, but I think it's best to take a look at what kind of connections we can draw.
nocturne sun
Exactly, we will do that once we first have a hypothesis