nms-spoilers

[hot trout]

But what's leaking is their contents, since I dont think stored data is meant to still be "active"

[grizzled apex]

Oh huh, surprisingly early

[vital flint]

It is, isn't it? We may be due for a 6.5 update 🤞

[distant bronze]

lets see what others we get

[sonic moss]

i wish to see more corvette part this new update

[hard stirrup]

Wednesday's update should be 6.40 as we are now on 6.36 and this update should be very small...I suspect expedition only and maybe first Arena seasonal content...but I would not expect new content update and if there is one it should be something small. The big anniversary update should be 6.5 or even 7.0.

[native carbon]

it doesnt have to be small btw

[cerulean field]

if i visited the new galaxy space station then return to the old one can i come back to it through the same space station

[hot trout]

That should work, though I've heard that jumping galaxies can reset your space station list

[hard stirrup]

That should work but sometimes doesn't. Not sure what causes it but sometimes stations in new galaxies just aren't added to the teleporter. To check: dock with the station, exit and re-enter ship, exit the station, call the anomaly, go to anomaly teleporter and see if "current system" station shows in the teleporter...if no station there is tagged as "current system" then it won't work and you'll need a base there to return. Additionally if it does work and you forget then over months and years as you keep playing and exploring new systems that one will eventually fall out of the stations you've been to that are remembered by your teleporter list.

[molten karma]

It'd be a big year if we had a 6.5 and a 7.0 back to back. The only small .5 update we've had were Omega 4.5, Prims 3.5, and Crossplay 2.5. Some of the biggest updates we've got were .5s like NEXT, Frontiers(Medium for me tbh), and Worlds Part 2.

[grizzled apex]

Which is coincidentally most of them. I tried looking it up again since I remembered the .5s being quite major, but most of them have been self contained content updates with the exception of NEXT and WP2 (the latter likely wouldn't have been a .5 if HG managed to ship Worlds as a whole)

Frontiers was 3.6 btw, not 3.5

[molten karma]

I was about to edit you're right and here Prisms came before it lol.

It is odd I always associated .5s as large but thinking about it really only two of them were big. Atlas Rises was oddly 1.3 which I feel should've been 1.5 and NEXT should've been 2.0.

[grizzled apex]

So while I don't think a 6.5 would need to be massive necessarily, it would likely be a large update if HG skipped 6.4 for it

For example, if the next update is 6.4 and the summer update is planned to skip to 7.0, then 6.5 would be more likely to be a smaller update

[grizzled apex]

Yea I think we might be associating version number skips with X.5 updates instead which traditionally have been pretty big I believe. That might arise from the first version skip being 1.5

[molten karma]

I think there is potential for this to be medium sized to small. It could be expedition only to because Omega was a .5 and primairly a expedition update but we didn't skip .4 with Omega so maybe its a content update with expedition to hold us over until the big 10 year update and maybe if legit we'll see some connection to the ARG.

[grizzled apex]

There's a strange thing HG did server side for this which also happened prior to Voyagers, so I'm cautiously optimistic but won't be too disappointed if it doesn't pan out too big

[dense quartz]

Except the few times it wasn't. Sean likes to break patterns with these. 😅

I'm not expecting this update to be super big. Maybe similar in size with the last two updates we've had, but I suspect they're busy on a lot of background stuff that they're working on for the summer update.

[grizzled apex]

There really isn't a pattern with these (especially in terms of indicating anything) in spite of what certain "creators" seem to indicate

[dense quartz]

Yeah, the 3 emojis follow after the single emoji, then he retweets those, but beyond that, everything else is random.

I'm always surprised people look way too deep into the significance of 3 emojis and what the number 3 represents.

It's like... you need to be very familiar with how Sean announces updates to be able to nerd out like that, but at the same time, in order to be familiar with it, you'd already figure out that the 3 emojis never mean anything specific.

[dense quartz]

I FIGURED IT OUT!!!

The update will be...

||a freebie.||

[vital flint]

So, this is my theory...

There is time for only one update before the anniversary, and that is the one that is about to come this Wednesday.

So far, HG has been pretty consistent by releasing versions: 6.0 (Voyagers), then 6.1 (Breach), 6.2 (Remnant), 6.3 (Xeno Arena).
Thus it makes sense that the next update will be 6.4 (Bee Update) and the one in August the 6.5 (Anniversary Update)...

On the other hand, if the anniversary update is a major-hefty one, then it stands to reason that it will be the 7.0, but then, the upcoming update will be a medium-large one and thus numbered as the 6.5 one. Having two major updates back to back doesn't make much sense, but then, HG may wish to surprise us...

[molten karma]

We've had .5s as small updates more so then big updates actually at this point. Prisms was 3.5 and that summer update was Frontiers 3.6.

[ebon spoke]

If we're due for 6.4 that's probably what we'll get. The only time they jumped to a .5 was Worlds Part II, the rest were just following .4 updates

[analog breach]

.5 update on aniversary? 7.0 sounds better

[ebon spoke]

Well they'll definitely jump to 7.0 for the big one regardless of what this one is

I just don't think they care that much about the .5 milestone

[raw girder]

Version number doesn't need to mean anything significant. Remember the waypoint update was 4.0

[analog breach]

I try to forget every time

[hot trout]

Did waypoint have a lot of bugfixes?

[analog breach]

It was switch release and balance change for ships. No more general , tech ,cargo tabs.

A lot of ui changes

U can ask FriendlyFire how he "loved" the update ui changes .

[ebon spoke]

also added custom mode

and autosaves

it wasn't particularly flashy, but it was pretty big in terms of general user experience/core gameplay features

[hot trout]

If it added custom mode, was that also when difficulty could be changed in already-created saves or no?

[ebon spoke]

I think so. Before that the modes were all on separate servers

[mint lynx]

Exp loaded?

[humble kayak]

yeah

[mint lynx]

Hopefully it's one of the two I missed on switch but it probably a new one

[humble kayak]

bees = base?

base building?

mmmmm nah that can't be right since HG usually don't advertise the main feature of the update in the emoji, only the title

except they've done it with Remnants and Xeno Arena 🤔

[gilded girder]

Maybe it'll be called Swarm, and well get our 8 freighters and a bunch more frigates

[humble kayak]

maybe but that, at face value, seems like a very small update

i know they've all been small this year to give HG time to prep for the anniversary update

But that'd seem like something that they could put together in a big patch if they wanted to

[turbid nebula]

honestly i think its gonna be an expediton that has to do with the xeno update, they probably wanted to test a few things first and now are gonna roll out some bigger part of that

[zenith perch]

This more than likely is it since they do updates every few months now and they're bigger overall post worlds part 1 ish

[zenith perch]

I hope not, really dislike expedition only updates

[gloomy isle]

Between the updates so far this year and the (very unconfirmed) arg I do suspect that the 10th anniversary update is going to be something pretty special

Not that pokemon battles aren't genuinely super cool

[late tusk]

same

[native carbon]

they are fine as long as they add any content, big or small, like OMEGA added the ability of owning pirate freighters, aquarius added fishing...

[dense quartz]

I have no idea how they could possibly outdo Worlds Part 2. That update felt like one of those meme posts and people just add literally everything and make it way too unrealisitc...

"It adds gas giants and new story and water on moons and inventory sorting and new terrain and new creatures and deep oceans and environmental hazards and jungles and better mod support and relic worlds and cooking improvements and more starship and multitool storage and more variety and-"

[grizzled apex]

or something drummed up by certain "content" creators lmao

[gloomy isle]

Imo I think one possibility would be a big story event with a super cool accompanying feature

Like, the resolution of the Atlantid storyline and the addition of being able to explore the world of glass as a sort of Nether equivalent

New generation, stuff to collect, corvette parts and the like

Not saying I think there what it is, but something on that scale would be fitting of the anniversary imo

It does feel like this year they're putting out smaller "regular" updates so that does get me thinking

[native carbon]

has there ever been an emoji thats related to the actual content and not the name of the update?

[zenith perch]

aquarius was a feature addition still and omega was mainly just the rework to expeditions so I don't really count those

[native carbon]

fine. i do not enjoy expedition only updates, i mean they are fine as long as the rewards are good, but if the rewards are boring, then its a bummer.

like a expedition that lets say adds new corvette pieces, or a new starship, or a sick new outfit, thats fire

@zenith perch what about the update afrer voyagers (forgot its name), is this expedition only?

wait no they added new corvette parts and 1 new structure

idk i only can think of fractal, and the update after the interceptor

[zenith perch]

what name

[native carbon]

?

oh

wait

singularity i believe

[gloomy isle]

With the summer update following this, I'd not expect much more than an expedition to be honest

[hard stirrup]

Emojis are very rarely related to the name of the update...and very rarely related to the content...like relics had the bone emoji and it revamped fossils, the living ship update had the egg emoji, Exo Mech had the robot head emoji, etc...there are probably more emojis pointing at content than at the update name.

[native carbon]

i wouldnt say very rarely

[hard stirrup]

Well, either way I doubt this update will be named something related to bees...or a honeybee as that's the version of the emoji Sean posted technically is. I don't see this being called the Apiary update or anything like that.

[native carbon]

buzzy bee update

(copium i know) its either: fauna update
xeno arena expedition
anniversary part 1
insect related update
something very unexpected

[hard stirrup]

Could be just about anything. I am expecting expedition only, likely related at least a little to Xeno arena. But my hopium is animal farming...being able to build animal enclosures and bring animals from all over the universe to farm for animal products. Man, I want that so bad...it would make cooking infinitely better. I don't think there are very high chances of that happening but I hope.

[native carbon]

i expect exciting stuff but thats me every update lol. i havent been really disappointed yet though

[viral geyser]

It’s probably gonna be called hive

[sour bramble]

ngl...that sounds reallll cozyy

[viral geyser]

Have yall seen this it was just posted

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/s/UO8NrAPMup

It sounds amazing but I’m positive it’s fake

[molten karma]

Sounds great except the part its the anniversary update. Doubt its legit

[sour bramble]

are you bigboi jones?

[molten karma]

Nah

[humble kayak]

This is probably bullshit but I've screenshot it just to be safe

I don't think there's been an outright leak of the next NMS update in the history of the game

I know there's been slip ups where the Microsoft store revealed the name, or we've made good guesses from data mines

[molten karma]

Origins and Worlds Part 1

[grizzled apex]

echoes too

[humble kayak]

Really?

Huh

[sour bramble]

huh

[humble kayak]

Oh well mb

I apologize

[molten karma]

Yep NEXT technically since physical copy got shipped early.

[grizzled apex]

Oh yea, I remember seeing people denoting the null head as a tribute to the leaker for a bit

since they used it during their early playthrough

[molten karma]

Not to go off topic but is that guy still a mod and around? I remember he got mod status on here for it lmao.

[grizzled apex]

oh fr? I wasnt very active on NMScord back then so I had no idea

[molten karma]

Yeah it was hilarious. Oh and if you want to be real specific despite it not being a update NMS itself got leaked before launch the same way and that's when the shitstorm happened lol.

[viral geyser]

Yeah like I said I’m pretty sure it’s bs but it sounds amazing

[hot trout]

Another potential title is Colony

[molten karma]

I screenshotted and copied and paste the text just in case. I feel it's going to be down in a hour or two. I kind of notice a lot of people on the NMS Reddit are a bit of Debbie Downers lol. What's the fun in that but to be fair with the history of NMS I kind of get it but I think we're past that at this point.

[grizzled apex]

I remember seeing a post on ETARC that Gothalion had mentioned that HG were sponsoring streams for this Wednesday, and that press and certain creators may get briefed on Tuesday. Could see another Echoes situation where someone slips up and posts an article early?

Man I remember rushing to get a mirror up for that when it happened lmao

[hard stirrup]

Sounds like fanfiction. While previously some articles or trailers have leaked early those were clear leaks everyone could see where a trailer or article just went public early. I doubt anyone who might be writing an article or have access to a trailer to post on Wednesday would risk their jobs by running to Reddit to spill the beans.

[molten karma]

If this leak is legit it sounds like FPS and ground combat rework I've been personally wanting but cant get to hyped. There is plenty of post like these but its still fun. I remember a 4chan leak that happened a long time ago to and everyone discredited it but tbh looking back a lot of those leaks came true. You can call it a wishlist but its pretty on the nose with some things tbh.

[molten karma]

Oh this could be exciting. I haven't kept up with the ARG in the last day but I will probably dive back in today and catch up. Exciting times if all this is true.

[hard stirrup]

Maybe new ground enemies but I don't think that means shooting reworked...shooting would likely remain the same but you shoot at different stuff.

[grizzled apex]

Went back and checked. The comment mentioned the Dropped Frames as a source. Will check in a bit myself.

[hard stirrup]

You think the whole reddit write-up is legit?

[grizzled apex]

mind pointing to a single word in that entire message that says so?

All I said was that there appears to be streamer involvement with HG and gave a potential source. Nothing else

Anything else is an extrapolation on the reader's part.

[hard stirrup]

What? No. I wasn't being snarky or accusing you of anything...jeez. I asked if you think it's legit...if it is true HG are paying to promote big the new update it might be something larger.

[glass flare]

well that does seem like a more plausible and detailed leak than 99% of the stuff we see. and moving the NMS anniversary update to now does make some sense if they want to focus SGF and other marketing on LNF. but... lol it will probably be something small

[hard stirrup]

Why would you get offended like that? The hell?

[grizzled apex]

Ah, sorry about misreading that.

Personally a summer update this early feels weird, but they've mentioned a few small things (like auroras, which Martin might've teased a while back) which seems plausible. Still probably just a wishlist disguised as a potential leak though

I feel like we might get some sort of slip up on a vendor or outlet's part this time around

there's also a bit of serverside data changes which happened back when voyagers dropped too, so I've been cautiously excited for a bit

[glass flare]

the "you can kill hostile NPCs now" made me doubt it, because as much as I want that, I think the chances of HG actually doing that are very small

[molten karma]

I don't think its a summer update I'd be kind of disappointed if true. Not to be spoiled but I was hoping for something special on the 10th anniversary just to feel more sentimental I guess? Also BomberBoi when you mention Dropped Frames is that for the leak or something else?

[glass flare]

also I'm not sure how they would make "most ships 2-3x bigger" without having to redesign all the landing pad areas in the game

[hard stirrup]

Yeah, I am still inclined to think the leak isn't real. Though if HG are promoting the game big with this update maybe this update will be something big anyway.

[molten karma]

I personally don't think so since with NMS gaining more popularity I noticed a up tick in people wanting more ground combat and hostile NPC's I think its completely plausible considering we got procgen and fully buildable ships 9 years later.

[grizzled apex]

That part definitely reads like a "Grand Theft Sky" bit lol

[molten karma]

Imagine bounty hunting missions on foot or having ship combat lead to onfoot combat or just having negative standing mean something. I just personally think it fits in and it doesn't feel like a tacked on thing.

Combat is a main marketed pillar after all.

[glass flare]

the new VM race did seem interesting and pretty well thought-out though, so...who knows. guess we'll see in a few days

[viral geyser]

I mean starfield does have it too

I can see they make it like cartoony green blood

[molten karma]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sentinel, Outlaws, and Interceptor were all build ups to a big combat update like this.

[viral geyser]

They did say that voyagers technology opens a lot of doors

Not saying it’s real but that part doesn’t seem too crazy to me

If they can do it on the creation engine I’m sure hg could do it way better

[molten karma]

Overwatch and Fortnite have a similar rating I'm sure NMS can have npc combat without the rating going up as long as they don't go crazy with the gore or overly realistic weapons.

I feel if horror gibbing for biological horrors didn't up the rating I doubt regular on ground combat will.

[viral geyser]

We won’t have to wait long anyways like two days max

I’m just gonna assume it’s an expidition to not be dissapointed lol

[late tusk]

hopefully its better than the garbage collection update

[hard stirrup]

I mean we already do in ship to ship combat. But if this leak were to be believed it would be fine because all ground combat NPCs would just be robots...so it shouldn't trigger any rating change.

[molten karma]

The leak implies other races could become hostile and could engage in on ground combat to.

[gloomy isle]

I can't lie, no leak has ever turned out to be legit other than when the actual marketing materials get posted early. Killable NPCs have been in at least 3 other fake leaks which have spread around over the years

This honestly sounds mega fake

[hard stirrup]

Even if so those are still not human. As long as HG don't add blood it should be fine even if we were to fight gek and vy'keen.

[glass flare]

true, but if buildable ships or "an entire new class of planet with new terrain algorithms" had been in leaks, I would have thought those were BS also

[hot trout]

Eh, killable npcs is less believable to me

[glass flare]

well, I tend to agree, but I'm not going to rule it out after they've introduced things I was sure they would never do. I'm also not saying I believe this leak at all, just saying that HG always have tricks up their sleeves

[gloomy isle]

I feel like if they were to do something like this it would be more void related

Here there's no grounding in lore

Some of the ideas work in concept but yeah

[molten karma]

I don't know why people think killable NPCs is so far fetched. Its becoming more and more requested as more players come in. It fits in regardless of how you feel and HG have shown combat is important to them since they dedicated 3 updates to it and touch up in other updates. I think it'll happen sooner rather then later tbh.

It'd fit in with so many other gameplay features and add depth to the game as a whole with factions.

[humble kayak]

People say it'd mess with the game's rating

i don't have an opinion on the matter, but that's what I've commonly seen

[knotty mountain]

I think for me more than anything the reason I don't believe that will be an update is I just don't see it adding anything substantial enough to the game to affect it

we already have things you can kill, adding another thing is effectivlely a nothing burger

[molten karma]

Overwatch and Fortnite have similar ratings and more realistic looking guns I doubt it'd increase the rating.

[knotty mountain]

well NMS is not has not and will never be a combat focused game so that could be part of it

[molten karma]

That is not true it'd add a whole lot to the game especially having bad standing with other races and factions. If you constantly are a pirate or a evil player it'd make sense for a race to hate you and want to kill you on sight. Bounty hunting missions would get significant depth with onground missions. Add pirate settlements on top of this and it'd be more sweet.

[hard stirrup]

I doubt it would...it's very different from fortnite where you shoot the human characters of other players in multiplayer. If HG let us fight Gek or Vy'keen on the ground it wouldn't matter for anything. Hell, technically there already is PvP and travelers can kill travelers...most of which look human enough...even though you don't see who or what is inside the suits...and that didn't cause any ratings issue when it was added...fighting NPCs on the ground would be even less likely to cause problems.

[winter plover]

Didn't they lay some groundwork for the player owning multiple freighters in a recent update? Maybe the bee is because we're about to be seeing swarms of ships.

[native carbon]

thats a good theory

[hard stirrup]

They did that last year with the voyagers update, but I doubt this is the update that will let us own multiple freighters. I think this update will be a smaller one, possibly expedition only. Though apparently Hello Games are promoting the game big on Wednesday so maybe something of a content update. But the big one and more likely to bring in the freighter update is the anniversary update.

[native carbon]

for some reason my guts are telling me its smth like "anniversary part one" or smth

[winter plover]

Fair enough! Although, I think how big a freighter update actually is depends on what they give us to do with all those extra freighters. I can imagine a lot of ways a freighter update could be relatively inconsequential

[glass flare]

HG has just always been more..."family-friendly" for lack of a better term. killing monsters, fine. killing people, well only if you don't see them actually die (i.e. spaceship battles).

[distant bronze]

to be fair the mechanism that prevented you from shooting npcs in world is gone, though you dont do damage to them

[native carbon]

family friendly? have u seen the damm lore?

[glass flare]

I'm purely talking about visuals that young children might see, not all the weird stuff in the lore

[native carbon]

plot twist: theres no big juicy 10th anniversary update and we are just delusional

[humble kayak]

insert futurama professor: Good news everyone!

for anyone interested, the poem puzzle has been cracked in project-skyscraper

just incase anyone was curious

[glass flare]

I don't really believe skyscraper is HG-related at this point. I think they would have brought in the wider community by now, but it's still just basically focused on some people in ETARC

[molten karma]

I think it is and if biological horrors can gib and blow up it's not kid friendly. You can kill other players with PvP enabled so it kind doesn't add any validity to that claim for me tbh.

[dense quartz]

It did have a combat focused update in early 2022 that most people keep forgetting about. It was called Sentinel.

[hot trout]

For me, its more the reason a lot of people seem to want it. A disturbingly large amount of players want killable npcs to target a specific race in the game to attack and kill. I know that isnt the only reason someone would want the addition, but it doesnt feel right to me that it pops up so often.

[dense quartz]

I like how there's like 50+ enemy types in this game or something crazy like that, and there's people who think combat will be improved if HG adds more enemy types.

[molten karma]

It does improve it because it ties in to factions when it comes to npc races.

[dense quartz]

Even if they made it so npcs were killable, I doubt it'd feel satisfying. The shooting in this game weirdly has a sluggish feel to it that's hard to describe.

[molten karma]

Bad actors should not prevent gameplay either. People will be shitty regardless of what you do.

[hot trout]

What would actually improve ties to faction relations is making more consequences to negative reputation

[glass flare]

yeah the shooting and movement mechanics they give you for ground combat just aren't up to par, feels like something from the PS2 era

[dense quartz]

Yeah lol

[molten karma]

That's why they improve it? Having some moral high ground or stupid reasons it adds nothing to me so it must be useless is stupid. Ship building and base building is useless for me but I'm glad they added it.

They obviously care about combat they dedicated several updates to it already I'm sure they'll continue to do so. People want it so I'm sure it'll come regardless of how YOU personally feel tbh.

The game needs more moment to moment gameplay and consequences that tie together.

It will only add depth.

[hot trout]

Adding killable npcs as a thing doesnt actually change anything in the game

[molten karma]

It does it adds to faction consequences adds a whole new layer to bounty hunting.

[hot trout]

In what way?

[molten karma]

You can expand and add pirate settlements.

[hot trout]

You'd have to add several new mechanics regardless in order to actually have faction relationships have more impact and meaning

[molten karma]

In what way does ship building and base building really add? If anything it takes away from original core gameplay of ship hunting and exploration as now you can just plop a base down and settle down forever.

[hot trout]

Ive asked before what difference it makes when the ground enemy you attack is a sentinel or an alien npc

You can fight alien npcs in the game already, just in their ships

[hard stirrup]

Settlements are completely useless...I really hope HG just leaves them alone. We don't need more settlement types so they can be useless too.

[glass flare]

it's certainly an interesting confluence of things going on right now, interested to see how it all shakes out
1 ) emoji that could either be related to NMS or LNF
2) 10 days until Summer Games Fest
3) weird ARG that may or may not (most likely not) be run by HG
4) anonymous leak with some very specific details

[hot trout]

Would the addition of ground npcs just mean another way to occasionally lose reputation?

[molten karma]

Sentinels are basically just cops like in GTA. Adding on ground combat just adds another layer of depth to other systems other then a useless wanted system. It could add actual consequences for being a active pirate it adds more gameplay for space station missions.

[shut hinge]

I didn't hear about the anonymous leak. Where can I see that?

[glass flare]

also let's try to keep this area to spoilers, if you want to argue about combat just take it to #nms-the-future

[molten karma]

Let's be honest when its hype season this essentially just becomes nms future with spoilers.

[glass flare]

#nms-spoilers message

[molten karma]

It's been like that forever regardless of rules.

[hot trout]

I mean... probably not a good idea to push that

[hard stirrup]

For settlements? I doubt it...biohorrors, brood mothers, sentinels, an corrupted sentinels can't kill them...don't see why that would change now. My four settlement populations have been running around screaming that they're under attack for months now...I bet if I go there they're all fine.

[hot trout]

I mean if there were ground npcs the player could kill, or who would attack the player

[dense quartz]

"I have knowledge of the next update... I MUST TELL REDDIT WITHOUT PROOF!!!"

Same thing happened with the Half Life subbredit about Half Life 3 at the end of last year. Someone revealed way too many details about it, proved none of it and said when it'd be revealed, it wasn't revealed when he said it'd be.

There needs to be a name for this type of trolling lol.

[molten karma]

It's usually 70/30 with these things tbh. I do think the press does have details about what HG are currently doing though and that's how we got leaks for Echoes and Worlds Part 1.

[hard stirrup]

Probably new dedicated enemy spawns like everything else.

[shut hinge]

LOL okay, that's not real

[molten karma]

I find it funny Kanaju had a similar thought in his new video without mentioning this leak.

[hot trout]

Yeah, and, to me, thats not different enough to justify adding it unless there were also a bunch of changes to the consequences of reputation as well

[molten karma]

There's no reason to add much of anything they did aside from procgen but here we are.

These stupid nuh uh doesn't align with me takes are stupid

[hot trout]

Many of what has been added actually changes things in the game or how you interact with them

[molten karma]

You mean many gimmicky features that add a drop of content with hardly any depth that they finally stopped doing with Worlds?

Not to down what they've did its amazing but Beyond and after added a lot of gimmicky stuff.

[hot trout]

Im saying i would rather actually see systems with more depth in them

[molten karma]

That's why you hear the saying wide as a ocean deep as a puddle.

[grizzled apex]

Ok, can confirm. Gothalion did say what he was claimed to say
https://youtu.be/VVZQYua9e5M?t=2915

[hot trout]

Ground npcs that can be killed isnt anything more than another gimmick

[grizzled apex]

might have to go back a few seconds

[molten karma]

Adding onground combat and improved combat mechanics literally adds depth to existing systems.

[hot trout]

Except thats not what was being referred to

[glass flare]

yeah anonymous leaks in NMS always end up being trolls. one thing I'll give this person is unlike most of the 4chan stuff we've gotten, this person was like "yeah there's this new thing, but it kind of sucks" which makes it sound slightly more believable rather than the breathless "everything is amazing" leaks we usually get

[grizzled apex]

So Goth and one other streamer here say that they'll get the briefs on tuesday and the way they talk about it does seem like an update brief instead of like a guidelines thing as I first thought

[shut hinge]

Wait, that Reddit leak is obviously fake, you can tell how it's written

[hot trout]

Adding killable alien npcs ≠ new ground combat with improved depth

[grizzled apex]

So there's definitely something going on

[molten karma]

It does add depth because I doubt HG would add ground combat without improvements and it adds depths to other systems regardless of what you think.

You get more mission types, you add to factions, gives more consequences for being a pirate. That is literally adding depth to existing systems.

[glass flare]

bro we get it, you love ground combat

[hot trout]

What consequences?

[molten karma]

We get it you dislike ground combat.

Goes both ways bruh

[glass flare]

actually I never said that at all

[hot trout]

Ground combat already exists

[molten karma]

Let's not twist the overall conversation in the context of our conversation you know its in terms to npc onground combat with other factions.

[hot trout]

The way i see it, everything about it that needs depth and improvement can be done without adding killable alien npcs

[hot trout]

Ok and what are the consequences of killing npc ships in the game?

[grizzled apex]

This makes it a bit more likely that someone from the press slips up and posts something early again imo.

[hot trout]

My point is that we have such systems in the game already and they need improvement

[molten karma]

Nothing but if they added systems where NPC's can attack you on sight it makes sense they would do it for ships to.

Maybe I was talking more service level with onground combat but really the whole game can use more combat interaction in general and a really good big step towards that is on ground combat with other npcs.

[hot trout]

A good step is improving the consequences of hostile actions

Thats the case regardless of whether ground combat with npcs is added

[glass flare]

huh, nice catch on that. he said 4 years ago was the last time they sponsored streams, what update was that for

[hot trout]

Id rather see consequences expanded before ground npc enemies are added

[molten karma]

Both should be added regardless and I feel they will be whenever we get something of this scale. HG knows the community wants more combat overhauls especially newer players. Top of that being on ground NPC combat followed by factions actually meaning something. If they ever did a big combat update that actually overhauled the systems I'm sure both will come in around the same time if not a year or two a part.

[ebon spoke]

"four years since they last sponsored streams" I don't know if that's true, but they definitely have sponsored videos for the past few summer updates

[glass flare]

well they certainly wouldn't be doing it for a minor update

[grizzled apex]

Yea that bit caught my eye too, before I realized most of the past few campaigns have been sponsored ads and not streams

I dont actually remember any sponsored streams on update date now that I think about it

[glass flare]

which okay, now it's getting interesting because that aligns with what the leak said about the summer update coming early

[grizzled apex]

They're usually posts made in advance to get the game on people's radars before the update, not a coverage of the update itself

[molten karma]

I kind of think it's going to be a 2 part anniversary update now it's kind of seeming that way.

[hard stirrup]

They might just be trying to promote the pokemon battling system of the arena or a more generic promotion where they want streamers to show off years of updates. Kind of depends what content they want the streamers to focus on.

[grizzled apex]

Whatever the status of the anniversary update is, I hope the clear it up in the patch notes. If this really is the anniversary update, then they should mention it and not leave people speculating for another few months

Steam sale's up

[glass flare]

if they really haven't done it in 4+ years, I'm doubtful they'd suddenly want to do it again to promote the Arena. HG doesn't need to spend money on random streams at this point

[molten karma]

Yeah I hope they're clear to because if this is a huge update and they leave us hanging that can be a disaster if nothing substantial comes for the anniversary. I'm kind of hoping its a two parter or this is small tbh.

Thought I'd never hope for a small update but with this being the 10th anniversary I really want something special for it.

The dates align perfectly this year to.

[glass flare]

true, though if it's a gigantic update then we can probably assume it is unless it's another situation where they label it "Part 1"

[molten karma]

I mean we did get Worlds Part 2 and Voyagers the same year. It was kind of the same with the space stations and Worlds Part 1 to.

[shut hinge]

The Reddit post is actually bordering on parody or transparent trolling. I don't think it should have ever been brought to this Discord for serious discussion

[hard stirrup]

We'll probably be able to tell...if this is something small the safe to say probably not it, but if it's some kind of mega-update then we'll be able to say it could be it.

[molten karma]

I don't typically like bringing YouTubers into this but Kanaju is a bit more credible in my book and he brought up in his speculation of a new enemy type and void mother like system or story being introduced and he didn't even mention the leak so its kind of funny and coincedential to say the least.

[grizzled apex]

Even that has its drawbacks with certain "creators" constantly pushing for the next immediate update to be the part 2, not realizing that 2 parts likely exist because a full update probably couldnt be finished that close to each other.

[glass flare]

every anonymous leak has been brought to this channel for discussion. it's certainly a lot more thought-out than the 4chan leaks in the past, I'll say that much

[grizzled apex]

Or others yet theorizing about a part 3

[molten karma]

I feel we only need more color variation tbh that's all I'd want from a Worlds Part 3

Oh and POIs

[shut hinge]

I wouldn't say it's thought out at all. It reads like stream of consciousness with no coherent structure or headline mechanic. It starts with cool ideas and works outwards

[molten karma]

I find the most credible leaks are either official sources that get leaked early or someone just talking super casually about it.

It's just a trend I've noticed across game leaks in general not just NMS.

[shut hinge]

Well, the person who posted that knows that. They are aiming for credibility, but there are some huge red flags that it's make believe

I would bet my life savings, my home, my dog, my PC, on that being fake. It's so transparent to me

I'm honestly a little embarrassed to have to point it out

[grim lintel]

how is it only 8 dollars on your end?

[grizzled apex]

I hear a pact! /j

[humble kayak]

A brief for...this update??

[grizzled apex]

different regions have different local pricing

[humble kayak]

i'm not throwing shade or anything you'd just think, if anything, streamers would be contacted over the Big 10th

[molten karma]

I just think its weird how some YouTubers kind of have a similar thoughts but to be fair its easy to link to void stuff.

[humble kayak]

not what seems to be, so far, a minor update

[shut hinge]

Guys, please, by all means. Let's make a pact. Not what I described but I'll do whatever you guys suggest. A name change or some kind of humiliating pinned post.

[humble kayak]

cough cough

peep the name

[molten karma]

Bro don't go bankrupt over a reddit post lmao

[humble kayak]

pacts are unwise

[shut hinge]

The biggest red flag for me is the kitchen sink of wish list features. New race, new enemy faction, new planets, ship overhaul, NPC deaths, combat changes, animations, weather, player trading, expedition, Light No Fire news? And then, like someone else said, they throw in a couple negative comments as authenticity seasoning. Because that wish list reads as too far fetched. Small criticisms make it more believable

[humble kayak]

It all seems to be

a lot

especially now

[gloomy isle]

It's a lot but it has 0 basis in the existing lore which they'd absolutely do if they did this kind of content with the infected systems

[molten karma]

I don't know it kind of aligns up slightly with Worlds Part 1 massive list of stuff.

[gloomy isle]

And it's doesn't really have anything specific that says 10 year anniversary either

[molten karma]

We got new water, new planets, new enemy type, new water, etc...

I mean it can align up with the void and abyss stuff but yeah not sold either personally.

[gloomy isle]

The size isn't infeasible since they're evidently focusing on the anniversary update this year

[molten karma]

I just don't like the this is the anniversary update angle if it is I hope its only part 1

I know selfish lol

[shut hinge]

The other red flag for me is if you examine the speaker's identity based on what they're saying at different points, the perspective jumps around. It's not clear whether it's leaked patch notes or a playtest or a dev's impressions. How would they know that lighting looks cool from patch notes? why would a dev describe a new feature as "lame"? that's fan speak. Conveniently, they never make a claim to their identity or the source of the leak

[glass flare]

i don't even know what feature would say "10th anniversary" to me though, I think everyone would have a different answer if asked

[molten karma]

I don't know it just sounds like someone doing a bulletin point and giving personal thoughts.

[gloomy isle]

The other thing is that the anniversary is on a Wednesday this year. No way they'd launch the 10 year anniversary update in June if that were the case tbh

[ebon spoke]

I swear there was a leak like this for origins that turned out to actually be legit, but the multiple other times this sort of thing happens per year have all been completely wrong. Or only right about a couple of features because they just throw in a bunch of highly requested things that Hello Games are likely to do eventually

[humble kayak]

hell i've been closely following NMS' updates and datamines and stuff since like, Worlds 1, and I havent even tried to guess what the anniversary could be

I'm at a loss

which is fine, if there's any surprise I'd be hyped for it'd be the anniversary update, but I agree that everyone's gonna have different answers for what they think that update could be

[grizzled apex]

origins actually had a press reporter leak the details to someone on ETARC which led to em getting in trouble iirc. But Origins was also insanely close to a fan-made patch notes post that got really popular back in the day called NMS: Horizons

[molten karma]

I think its because HG actually do listen to the community and are working on multiple things at once so its not far fetched if HG give press information on the future and they assume its one update.

[gloomy isle]

I think it's a collection of reasonable guesses, tbh. I feel like it'll be lore+ some sort of big feature

[humble kayak]

oh shit

[gloomy isle]

Like echoes+

[shut hinge]

“lighting looks really cool,” “it’s kind of lame,” “animals still look goofy"... Observations you would only make after a playtest. Can't glean that from a document. So is this a dev who just lost their job? But who also approaches the game like a player in this Discord...or is it a time traveller who played the update already?

[molten karma]

Then you have Microsoft add fuel to the fire with early page update which must've burned for that reporter.

[shut hinge]

Also, they switch between hyper specific and then very vague. So we've got flashy details like Nullifier weapon, Hiveborn, infected systems...But then they retreat into "lots of QoL," "new sounds". Presumably any update that introduces new enemies would have new sounds? sounds like more authenticity seasoning. It's like their imagination ran out of steam

Promise you....nobody giving a casual first impression of a new update is saying "new sounds"

[molten karma]

It could be in the press that they didn't overhaul fauna as a whole but they did indeed add new fauna and didn't want them to get confused or get things mixed up. I don't even know why I'm defending this so much when I'm not even sold lmao.

[shut hinge]

New sounds...come on, guys. That comment alone is proof it's fake

[molten karma]

I just know from leaks from other games and personal experience with that so it's plausable to me.

[glass flare]

I'm not saying this from a pov of defending the leak, but HG's own patch notes often say vague things like this

[molten karma]

I'm surprised mods haven't tooken the post down yet.

[gloomy isle]

It reads like the old fake destiny 2 pastebins people would make as shitposts

[shut hinge]

Last red flag that I'll mention and then I'm happy to take pact suggestions.

They're way too confident about LNF. So, they've played the update or seen patch notes. How do they suddenly also know about plans and a launch window for a separate game? With that info, shouldn't they frame the post as "HG leak"? It's been bolted on at the end!

[molten karma]

I don't like the idea of LNF being shown off on the anniversary tbh. I'm looking forward to LNF but I rather just have more NMS updates or NMS 2 or some successor to it. I prefer space over fantasy.

[glass flare]

if they're planning to wind down NMS development and have LNF be sort of "the next 10 years" then I could see that making sense

[molten karma]

They already said they planned on updating both together and will continue to do NMS as long as the community is there.

[glass flare]

yeah that's why I said "wind down", my personal feeling is once LNF ships, we probably won't see big updates for NMS again. just smaller features, content updates, etc. I could be very wrong about that, but that's my instinct

[dense quartz]

I know there's a lot of overlap between the LNF and NMS communities, but I feel like HG should treat those two games as separate things, you know?
Like announcing LNF stuff on NMS' 10 year anniversary would feel weird.
Or if the game was already out, it'd be weird to announce an update for it with an emoji, which is NMS' thing, so you'd have two different communities wondering who it's for lol.

I personally wouldn't really mind it, but I'm just wondering if that's something that HG would actually do.

[molten karma]

I'm more of the opinion we'll go back to yearly updates or two and they'd just be Atlas Rises size. I cant really see them doing a lot of small updates and develop LNF at the same time.

[humble kayak]

Ill play fencesitter

[shut hinge]

No I agree, and remember that idea came from a troll post on Reddit about a supposed leak

[humble kayak]

I think Solarparty is right where we'd see content wind down in the initial months of LNF's release

HG would focus on major bug fixing, community suggestions, the basic launch stuff

But once LNF is on its own two feet, I think the studio would find a way to equalize and put updates out for both at a reasonable pace

With the tradeoff being that large updates become rarer

[dense quartz]

I have the opposite opinion, I don't think LNF's release will really affect anything, since they're already working on both at the same time.
In fact, NMS' updates have increased significantly in quality and quantity about a year before LNF's reveal.

[molten karma]

Reddit removed the leak post

[humble kayak]

Did reddit remove it, or did the subreddit mods?

Also I got screenshots of the original post lol

[molten karma]

Mod it seems

[shut hinge]

Thanks, we need these for my pact that I'm going to survive

[ebon spoke]

surprised the reddit post didn't have the classic "we can finally use the station override to take over space stations" that most "leaks" have these days

[glass flare]

I could see this happening also. I'm probably just being cynical and trying to hedge my disappointment lol

[molten karma]

I wonder if we'll even see anything be done with the station override at this point.

[dense quartz]

This is the 10th time I forgot that's a thing we still can't use.

[shut hinge]

Probably the leaker included it in the "QoL" improvements but didn't specify

[molten karma]

It's odd how the mod removed the post for "spoiling the game"

Do they usually comment that with these leak post take downs?

[dense quartz]

Confirmation that it's real. Checkmate atheists.

[molten karma]

Not saying that just find the wording interesting

[ebon spoke]

Might be odd, but there's no way the subreddit mods would know if it's legit

[grizzled apex]

They took down an AI-generated post full of bullshit """files""" that were allegedly ""datamined"" once

I believe for the same reason?

[molten karma]

Ah alright nothing to see here then lol.

[shut hinge]

That's the rule that it broke. I think the post is too controversial, whether it's fake or not, and that rule was the best fit for a reason to remove it. I think "please don't spoil the game" is the initial text for that rule

Yeah if you check the rules that how #1 reads

[dense quartz]

I wonder if this update will confirm if the ARG is official or not. 👀

[shut hinge]

So guys, what do I have to do tomorrow when the Reddit leak is revealed to be true?
And more importantly, what does every other person in this chat have to do when it turns out to be fake?

[violet cosmos]

We all have to wear the bee mask from The Wicker Man

[humble kayak]

it's possible

but i wouldnt bet on it

[molten karma]

Probably not it depends what this ARG is leading to.

Or if its even official to begin with but I think it is personally. If the leak is right and this next update is the anniversary update I don't see the point in an ARG unless its a 2 parter but then I must ask myself why am I even thinking the leak is true to begin with lol.

[near forge]

Part one of the ARG leads up to NMS update, part 2 to LNF?

Would be an unconventional but fun way to go about things

That is, assuming HG are intending to connect the two

[molten karma]

That's what I thought originally since both games use the skyscraper engine but the thing is this bee emoji might be the summer update unless its a two parter.

Sometimes though smaller updates in scale are usually bigger sometimes in my book. It depends what they fundamentally change.

[glass flare]

one thing that's curious is the update is likely this week, but the paid streams aren't until next week (when SGF happens). could we be getting a one-two punch of NMS this week, LNF announcement next week or even early access drop

[near forge]

What reddit leak has there been btw? I must have missed it

Ah so doesnt seem like something serious

[molten karma]

Its just weird how Kanaju kind of had a similar speculation moment about something similar in his recent video.

[near forge]

Ooohh that reminds me I wanted to watch that vid today but got distracted...hmm I need to sleep lol, probs gonna hold off until tomorrow.

[molten karma]

Sponsored streamers are also getting a press packet tomorrow apparently for Wednesday which is unusual so someone who may be a journalist could've wrote a super casual post just like Echoes and Origins.

I'm still calling BS though its just interesting timing is all.

[ebon lynx]

man, i'm just excited

[molten karma]

Me too despite all the skepticism this year definitely feels special. I think it doesn't help Worlds and Voyagers has renewed interest, hope, and hype within the community because no one thought updates of those sizes and quality would've came out this late in development.

[near forge]

Worlds really breathed new life into my almost favorite planet biome: Frozen. NEXT had really butchered those, at least for me.

So seeing variety return through all of the new assets and also proper white snow again...aahh, it was a dream come true

[shut hinge]

It's 100% BS

[cosmic anvil]

genocidal war and sacrifices??

[molten karma]

Eh even if it is it's fun to speculate and have hope for something like that regardless if its BS or not. I just think the timing is interesting is all.

[native carbon]

dude wtf is going on first i heard about mysterious sheep emoji posted by Sean now this

Sean didnt post anything but a bee and nobody is getting anything 🙏

[ebon lynx]

i think the sponsored stream stuff is legit at least

[native carbon]

yeah ive seen multiple No Mans Sky sponsor videos but thats it

[native carbon]

? huh

[glass flare]

yeah those aren't no-name streamers. if they say HG contacted them, I believe it

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[native carbon]

wait what

[ebon lynx]

idk why all 4 of them would be BSing about that

[molten karma]

He mentioned that HG has sponsored a stream for him for this Wednesday and on Tuesday he's getting a press kit or some kind of run down on whats in the update.

[native carbon]

im missing something?

[glass flare]

check the video, it's timestamped to where they talk about it

[native carbon]

wait if that's the case that MAYBE its true, AND does that mean a big one is coming?

[near forge]

A press kit .

Man I'm jelly.

[shut hinge]

Sorry, to clarify, I meant the Reddit leak is BS. Not the sponsored streams or press kit Tuesday

[ebon lynx]

guess that means a cowboy, gib, or both, emoji posts are incoming?

[molten karma]

This is most likely BS still interesting and Kanaju had a very similar speculation tidbit that somewhat aligned with this.

[near forge]

the hive born thing just seems a bit too edgy imo

[molten karma]

Agreed tbh.

However journalist usually get info early and this has happened with Echoes and Origins.

[ebon lynx]

the fact they didn't even bother with screenshots of any kind either

[shut hinge]

If Kanaju had a similar speculation it's because they both reacted to the same bee emoji. The Reddit post predicts a hundred things

[molten karma]

Eh I don't think its to far fetched the amount of added things is similar to Worlds Part 1 tbh.

We got new enemy types, new visuals, sounds, new ocean physics, new animals, etc...

[native carbon]

holy shit i hope it's real

its probably COPIUM and MISINFORMATION

[ebon lynx]

the most unbelievable part to me is the ships overhaul

and hostile npc's in them

[shut hinge]

But it's all rehashes of things we have with a different skin. Do you think HG would make a whole new race called hive born that "look like autophages that are purple"? HG are just going to take autophages, makes them purple, and call it a new race?

HG are going to do that?

[molten karma]

I mean people have been asking for onground combat with NPCS for a while and it has been more highly requested with new players. HG have proven to listen to the community. I think its more likely to come in compared to the ships themselves tbh.

[ebon lynx]

that too

[humble kayak]

what if it's an intentionally shitty "leak" put out to increase humdrum about the next update and thus drive up engagement

oh theres no emoji here to denote the kind of humor I'm trying to convey

fuck

uhhhhh

is there a tinfoil hat sean

[native carbon]

fuck now im more hyped

[molten karma]

Yeah it could just be beating around the bush or simplifying things but at the same time that only drives up the hype more. D:

[native carbon]

i hope its real 🙏

probably nahh but yeah

[ebon lynx]

the main thing hyping me up is the sponsored streams thing

[native carbon]

i doubt they would do that for a tiny expedition only update

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[native carbon]

its something beeeeg

[cosmic anvil]

make another pact! \

[native carbon]

i did "the update will have nothing to do with bees"

[cosmic anvil]

bruhh that is a guaranteed win

[humble kayak]

yeah thats what gets me

[native carbon]

idk bro 😭

sponsored streams = something big MARK MA WORDS

[cosmic anvil]

giant SEAN BEES will show up then

[molten karma]

It's hard to not get overhyped around anniversary time especially for the big 10.

[native carbon]

see ya all in 2 days, gtg for now. have fun

[shut hinge]

"Most ships are now 2-3x bigger." Okay, why did you say most ships? You were hyper specific about the new Hive born. So, tell us which ships. If it's all ships, why say most? 2-3 times bigger? Which is it, 2 or 3? And we can enter them, like Corvettes? So that whole Corvette update where they had to create a new ship type, just to let us walk around on starships... it now applies to legacy starships? Please. Also, any time they've introduced a new ship type, Sentinel, Living, Corvette....the native starships of each system have remained untouched. But now all those old models have been replaced with bigger ships? Please. This post is full of holes.

[molten karma]

It seems shuttles always get left out.

[shut hinge]

The language used in the Reddit post is what gives it away, before you even get into details of the new features. Just the language

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[molten karma]

Other game leaks that usually end up being true generally have the casual language tbh. The ones that are usually overly technical usually end up being BS.

[glass flare]

most people don't write very well so I'm not going to critique that or the varying amounts of info, I wouldn't expect an essay for a game leak

[ebon spoke]

The hive born just being rehashes of autophage doesn't make much sense either. The infected ones or whatever they're called being different is justified if they're an enemy type, but the regular ones are described as just being purple autophage with no other difference lol

[violet cosmos]

You can tell the reddit post is fake because there's no mention of beekeeping.

[hot trout]

I refuse to believe another race is gonna be added

Like, statistics, guys

How many times in the past almost 10 years has that happened?

[shut hinge]

I think the poster knows that and that is the style they're aiming for, to make it more believable

[glass flare]

well to be fair the leak did say the regular ones were just there to be glorified quest and lore dispensers lol

which does sound like something HG would do lol

[molten karma]

I don't think its far fetched personally. Also basically purple autophage can be a loose way of wording another robot species that is primarily purple. Not literal purple autophage

[humble kayak]

to be a bit of a naysmith, If I were a leaker I'd throw in some bullshit ideas too that I knew were false just to make the post seem like a fan with a lucky guess

[hot trout]

ITS ONE, ITS ONE SINGLE TIME IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED RAAAA

[humble kayak]

highly doubt that's what the poster did tho

[glass flare]

Batzy, smither of nays. nays of very fine craftsmanship

[molten karma]

Two* Travellers and Autophage

[hot trout]

Travellers werent added later on

[shut hinge]

I really hope that the Reddit poster is not reading all this, or aware of all the attention that their post has gotten. It's been given way too much thought. It's obviously a troll

[hot trout]

Theyre literally what the player character is

[molten karma]

Atlas Rises they weren't in the base game.

Maybe in text but not actual race you can interact with.

[hot trout]

If anything, anomalies were the ones you could say were added

[gloomy isle]

I mean, they kinda were. In AR patch notes they were called the fourth race too

And their working name was the Forf

[molten karma]

So three* if were counting the anaomly.

[hot trout]

I genuinely consider the anomaly to be a subset of traveller distinguished only as player appearance

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[molten karma]

Eh either way still new model I don't think its far fetched

[hot trout]

But my point is the addition of a new race is a big deal

[molten karma]

Just like ship building with full interiors vastly improved procgen and gas giants.

[gloomy isle]

Travellers weren't in the game though

So new races were added twice

[hot trout]

Even then, both times were a big deal

[gloomy isle]

True but like

Mainly because they don't often do lore heavy updates

[hot trout]

It feels really soon for another new race to be added

[molten karma]

I'd say xeno arena mechanically speaking is a big deal since that required a lot of new code and that was a small update.

[gloomy isle]

That's true I guess

[molten karma]

Regardless of how you feel about the actual update

[gloomy isle]

And if it were a new race/ area it wouldn't be some random hive race either

[molten karma]

Is it really random considering we don't have much visual reference of the void/abyss outside of some areas and mostly text mentions?

[humble kayak]

i heard the term from a 40k book and i like it a lot more than "devil's advocate"

[molten karma]

The pus thing kind of aligns with the abandon building look.

[hot trout]

Atlantid, korvax prime

[hot trout]

Theyre all connected

[gloomy isle]

If the new areas are just infected systems then yeah tbh

We have existing accounts of what lurks beyond the portal networks and they're just squid aliens

[hot trout]

In other words THE AUTOPHAGE ALREADY CORRESPOND TO THE VOID MOTHER

[molten karma]

I don't think its far fetched for HG to add things randomly to lore either.

[gloomy isle]

Tbh the whole thing reads like a shitpost

[shut hinge]

@molten karma I'm not sure what's going on. You said earlier that you didn't believe the Reddit post but I feel like you've been pushed into a role of defending it and I feel like your defense of it has strengthened the more people refute it

[gloomy isle]

Like one of the old destiny 2 ones people made to mess with the community

[hot trout]

I thought so until I realized the term "atlantid" may have been in the game as early as 3.0

[glass flare]

the only way the hive born would make sense for me is if she is bringing her "children" from the Abyss, back to corporeal form, now that the link exists

[molten karma]

It's just fun man don't read into it to much what's a better way to pass time until Wednesday?

[hot trout]

But thats what the autophage are

[ebon spoke]

The travellers where very much considered "the fourth race" when they got added, even though they weren't a new thing in canon. Internally the NPCs in the anomaly are considered a fifth race as well, but that's more because they aren't reusing the models from the other travellers

[glass flare]

the Autophage were never dead and living in the world of glass though, they survived where the rest of their race did not. so I'm speaking about the ones who did not survive

[gloomy isle]

Plus the single biggest thing here is that the anniversary is on a Wednesday. They wouldn't release the 10 year anniversary update on a random week in June when the perfect release date is lined up like that imo

[molten karma]

2 parter just like worlds

[hot trout]

Dude

[gloomy isle]

And it's too early. We very regularly get a small update or expedition at the very beginning of summer

[humble kayak]

I could see a 2 parter

[hot trout]

We literally do quests where we resurrect autophage

[humble kayak]

i think i even speculated about one earlier this year

[gloomy isle]

If it were a 2 parter, they'd announce it on the anniversary

[ebon spoke]

Not if the first part is this week

[humble kayak]

yeah

[gloomy isle]

It would be even weirder to release the 2nd half of an update on the anniversary

[glass flare]

I'm not doubting you, but I don't remember that at all, nor the context of their resurrection

[gloomy isle]

At most we're getting something xeno arena sized imo

[molten karma]

HG have never followed a track record consistently.

[hot trout]

Its the main theme of the autophage

[gloomy isle]

I'd like to be wrong but people are entertaining random internet stuff pretty hard and it would be a shame to set yourself up for disappointment

[glass flare]

why would HG buy sponsored streams for the first time in years for a xeno arena size update

[shut hinge]

What could bees actually mean, though? If you don't allow the fake leak to cloud your mind. If it's not a new race which we don't think it is. What could the bee emoji mean?

[molten karma]

Okay nerds I doubt HG care this much about their own lore lmao

[gloomy isle]

First I've heard of it

Either way this leak is not it

[molten karma]

I'm a believer now just for argument sake.

[glass flare]

it's discussed in the linked video above

[hot trout]

Dude the only thing I have found that ever has contrasting lore to the game is waking titan

[shut hinge]

Yep, got that, and not engaging with you now, for peace of mind sake

[gloomy isle]

Like, what's made people believe this specifically. What's actually lending credibility

Because afaik anyone could have written it

[hot trout]

Theres been a meta narrative progressing in almost every update

[gloomy isle]

Like all the others

[ebon lynx]

if we take it more literally, it could be hives, colonies, or just small bugs in general
if we take it less and go more abstract, yellow black could be more industrial
if we take it as a name pun, honestly no clue what you could do for bees

[humble kayak]

Hivemind

Idk

[hot trout]

another one?

[distant bronze]

That is a really good point there, whatever this update is, is something they want to show off.

[gloomy isle]

Could also be tied into the ARG tbh

[molten karma]

I think we're in for something slightly bigger but not as big as the anniversary update.

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[glass flare]

I have very little faith that the ARG is being run by HG, it's just too...small

[molten karma]

I think it could be something new to explore and possibly combat related.

[humble kayak]

It may not stay this way

[distant bronze]

if its not a massive update, its probably a very clever mechanic

[molten karma]

Waking Titan didn't officially start until May 27th and it was discovered a bit earlier then that and it was just as slow as it is now.

I don't think the ARG officially started yet.

[gloomy isle]

A&S don't exist anymore and the previous time HG did anything ARG adjacent was the spectrogram clues in the game. So it's not the smallest they've done by a long way

[shut hinge]

It could also be leftfield like how the grav gun/ trash collecting update was a hi vis jacket. Because that's associated with recycling operatives especially in the UK. You'd never look at a hi vis and predict "grav gun". So, it could be an activity that bees are associated with

[molten karma]

I don't think they'd sponsor streamers for a remnenant like update.

[gloomy isle]

That's the one bit that gives me pause

[distant bronze]

but also the grav gun update was quietly a lot of work for an update that small, that thing introduced whole new physics to the game

[gloomy isle]

Otherwise I'm expecting an expedition or something, idk

[glass flare]

I mean small in terms of the community they're interacting with. it's still just some people on ETARC. the purpose of Waking Titan was getting the community hyped. so I would expect to see NMS streamers or discords contacted before I believe HG is behind it

[shut hinge]

Yeah I'm not saying that the update will be similar in size to the Remnant update. I'm just saying that the connection between the bee emoji and the nature of the content of the update could be equally contrived, or indecipherable at this point

[gloomy isle]

All ARGs start small then grow when more people interact. The beginning weeks of WT were just as small and low key as this

[glass flare]

sure, I'm open to that being the case. I'm just saying right now, there is zero evidence that HG is behind it so I remain as skeptical about it as I am of the leak

[gloomy isle]

Either way I think there's more reasons for sponsored streams than it being the annual update

Could be that there's some sort of community event we need to do, something like that

[molten karma]

I think if they're sponsoring streamers it definitely has to be engaging gameplay wise or something substantial where it feels very fresh for the game. Like a refresh

[ebon spoke]

it could just be something along the lines of "here's No Man's Sky's latest update. Also, it's the 10th anniversary of the game's launch this summer, so keep an eye out because we have more planned for that"

[shut hinge]

Community event could be it. Bees could represent something social or communal, hive mind, gatherings, coordinated activity

[ebon spoke]

Last year they told us in advance there was stuff planned for the 9th anniversary. They probably will be doing something similar this year

[molten karma]

I feel they could do that with video sponsorships though. Streamers carry a lot more weight and are generally more expensive.

[humble kayak]

well heres the thing

at least one streamer has gotten a content briefing

or is about to

And I'm hesitant to believe HG would put one out for a really small update

I mean maybe they would, I won't condemn it to an impossibility

but you'd think if they need to draft a briefing then there's something of substance there

[shut hinge]

If it was a HUGE update, would they even do streamer sponsorships though? The news of the update would inspire streamers anyway. It seems to me that you'd only sponsor streamers for a smaller update that you wanted to have larger awareness....Or am I mad?

[ebon spoke]

I don't know anything about how content sponsorships work, but I'd guess its pretty par for the course to give an early briefing so the creator knows what to talk about in advance

[humble kayak]

they did for Voyagers, iirc

[ebon spoke]

Gothalion saying that he's expecting a briefing on tuesday just sounds like he was talking from experience

[humble kayak]

I figured he was too, but I figured that he would've gotten briefs and such for Voyagers

[molten karma]

Bomberboi first pointed it out as if it was something important I think the specific mention of it leads to something potentially a bit more bigger.

[humble kayak]

as HG went out of their way for marketing when voyagers came out

but that's my interpretation

[glass flare]

the fact that the sponsored streams are supposedly next week makes me think that it's aligned with Summer Games Fest and HG plan to make an announcement there

[humble kayak]

I wouldn't doubt this one bit

It could be either one in my mind

probably not both, though

[gloomy isle]

Or it's an event to build hype

[molten karma]

To be fair though it could just be small with a huge tease.

[humble kayak]

I've never known HG to officially show content before it's about to come out

outside of like

LNF's reveal

😭

[molten karma]

It's really hard to say and to be fair this community has became a lot more cautious ever since Beyond lol.

[ebon spoke]

Haven't Twitch drops been from sponsored streams in the past? Or are those just any NMS stream

[molten karma]

Any NMS stream. Those are usually communicated in patch notes.

[glass flare]

those aren't sponsored, as in HG pays the person to stream it

[gloomy isle]

I guess it could be the big one coming early but that's super weird unless it's another two parter with the 2nd in August

[molten karma]

I'm thinking two parter personally.

[gloomy isle]

Or LNF is re revealed or something I guess

Like the reddit post suggests

[humble kayak]

I don't believe this to be the case, but perhaps they put the anniversary update out early and something LNF relevant in august?

but that'd feel

Idk I think that'd be stealing the game's thunder

[gloomy isle]

With a celebratory update/ expedition in NMS with anniversary and LNF themed stuff

[humble kayak]

yeah

[glass flare]

it would be wild if HG drops Light No Fire early access next week and the streams are for that. but I have 99.9% doubt in that happening

[humble kayak]

dont give me hope

what would poor CitizenGrim do

the day counter must go on

[gloomy isle]

An NMS through the years update would be really fun

[ebon spoke]

They haven't even put out a proper gameplay trailer

no way Light No Fire isn't coming out without some more press first

[humble kayak]

could do something where there's an extra long expedition, and each phase of the exped are older versions of the game

[humble kayak]

Sean isn't averse to a shadowdrop. Last we heard, anyway

[molten karma]

I think putting out LNF announcement for NMS anniversary feels very eh to me.

[ebon spoke]

It's a huge monetary investment for HG, they aren't going to shadow drop the game

[humble kayak]

But he's not for one either

and I can back that up with a source if you want

[gloomy isle]

I could see it having a "coming next week" sign at the end of the trailer or something maybe

[humble kayak]

itd just take a minute

[gloomy isle]

If they show it off in August

[humble kayak]

It'd be in poor taste imo

[gloomy isle]

Enough time to get press and deep dives out etc

[humble kayak]

even though i'm god's lnf's strongest warrior

i think itd be a cheap shot

[shut hinge]

It's a bee emoji because it's a new expedition that gives us a "bee-line" to the planet from LNF, which is located within the NMS universe. It's the longest expedition so far and it will require lots of coordinated actions and cooperation from the playerbase "hive mind", and when the expedition ends, NMS will also end its 10-year run, and give birth to LNF.

If I post this on Reddit will you all debate its authenticity for the next two days?

[humble kayak]

if we dont have anything better to do, sure

[gloomy isle]

I just wonder what could be a two parter with a 2nd one in August. WP2 took ages to drop.

Unless this a prelude of some description but then the content briefing makes no sense

Then again HG don't operate on timelines that necessarily make sense lol

[glass flare]

it wouldn't bother me necessarily if we get the anniversary update early

[molten karma]

That'd just be stupid so no

[humble kayak]

tbf 3/4 of the shit HG does doesn't make sense

[humble kayak]

at least not initially

[shut hinge]

LOL

[humble kayak]

lmao

[gloomy isle]

If we were to get hives I'd expect them to be sentinel hives ngl

Or the boundary squids or something

[humble kayak]

getting just the update early wouldnt bother me either

hell it'd save me three months of speculating

[shut hinge]

Wait, I forgot to say that it will have new noises. Believe me now?

[humble kayak]

But I just wouldnt want HG to commandeer NMS' special day for its younger brother

[violet cosmos]

I saw on reddit we are getting teeny tiny sentinels that buzz around your head when you chop down too many trees.

[ebon lynx]

nano-sentinels...

[gloomy isle]

They've been relatively light this year so a sizeable update in May would make sense maybe but it still feels too early for me

[molten karma]

Why would they add LNF to NMS that's why it doesn't make sense bruh there would be no reason to buy LNF outside of fantasy setting. Which is why I don't think we'd ever see multi biome planets.

[humble kayak]

new weapon: nano-firecracker launcher

[gloomy isle]

June or July, I'd be more inclined to believe it

[humble kayak]

you shoot the sentinel hives with it

[distant bronze]

reading through the supposed leak, it sounds like this story portion of the void might be a two part thing, and the LNF announcement will be a deeo dive event

[molten karma]

Yeah and I hope not I would hope we still get another update for the NMS anniversary that is still substantial regardless of the size of this update.

10 Years is huge for any game especially one with NMS history.

[ebon lynx]

the timeline that makes the most sense to me is that LNF's getting a release date reveal at SGF, and releasing sometime after NMS' big anniversary celebration/update

[molten karma]

I feel HG wouldn't release it that soon but at the same time they're crazy enough to do it lmao.

[ebon lynx]

or the LNF stuff comes during the game awards

[distant bronze]

Maybe GTA6 had a factor in it, the game might be done, but its too close to the GTA release date, so theyre opting to hold off till the next quarter when the hype has died down a little

[humble kayak]

yeah that works for me

[ebon lynx]

after GTA6 and what have you

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[molten karma]

We might not see LNF until 2028

[humble kayak]

I can't see that happening

[molten karma]

I do think 2027 or anytime within the first 6 months of GTA's release is a bad decision for any game company.

[humble kayak]

The game's been in development for seven years now

[ebon lynx]

about 8 now, i think?

[humble kayak]

probably

[distant bronze]

well it releases in November, so if they hold off till quarter 1 of 27 that gives them roughly 5.5 months

[ebon lynx]

and LNF's reveal trailer absolutely wasn't just pre-pre alpha footage, what they showed had some polish to it

[shut hinge]

I don't think LNF is a real game? Is it? I thought the trailer was HG pitching a game concept to potential buyers, using the NMS engine. I don't think any developers have picked it up yet

[humble kayak]

nah there are no potential buyers

They're a private company

[ebon spoke]

What? no it's completly real.

[ebon lynx]

why else would they advertise it in every NMS update release log?

[ebon spoke]

we know it's been in development for at least 8 years now

[humble kayak]

Last we heard development on it is going well

[ebon lynx]

they've also literally stated it has it's own dedicated dev team

[humble kayak]

we just dont get to see any of it :(

[distant bronze]

And if its a deep dive, theyll want to show off everything you can do with it, the video might be over an hour of content

[gloomy isle]

They plug the steam page every update lol

"wishlist our new game"

[shut hinge]

I know LNF is real. Just checking if chat will respond to any wild claim as thought it's genuine. For example, the Reddit post

[ebon lynx]

yeah we're not that dumb 😭

[gloomy isle]

People are buying into that post too much

[molten karma]

You're stretching the reddit post has more credibility then you

[gloomy isle]

It has 0 credibility. It might get some stuff right but that's because it makes some (maybe) safe guesses

[molten karma]

It has all the credibility

[gloomy isle]

It's fanfiction until we know either way tbh

[humble kayak]

leak or no leak, things seem to be heating up

[gloomy isle]

True

[shut hinge]

@humble kayak write me a pact

[humble kayak]

my last one didn't end too well

[sterile cave]

I don't think something LNF-related on the anniversary is out of the question, considering it was announced on the 10 year anniversary of the No Man's Sky announcement

[molten karma]

I don't think anything mentioned in that leak sounds to far fetched for HG at this point tbh.

[hot trout]

Too far fetched isnt the question

[molten karma]

I get it though people just don't have faith anymore. 🙁

[shut hinge]

Okay this guy is a troll unfortunately

[hot trout]

I dont have faith in posts claiming to know future updates in games regardless

[analog breach]

Leak ? For lnf. Lol good one.

[hot trout]

Not without proof or a track record

[molten karma]

Most leakers use burner accounts that goes for any game leak.

[humble kayak]

yeah it's crazy how airtight HG is

we ain't getting shit til they decree it lol

[analog breach]

Small team makes it easyer

[ebon lynx]

well they aren't a huge company or anything

[hot trout]

And most "leaks" arent legit

[dense quartz]

The thing that disqualifies leaks to me is literally posting to reddit with nothing to show for but "trust me bro"

[ebon lynx]

not as many people to leak information

[shut hinge]

also "new sounds"

[molten karma]

Origins leak was legit, NEXT leak was legit, Echoes leak was legit, Worlds Part 1 leak was legit.

[ebon lynx]

exactly this

no screenshot proof of anything

[gloomy isle]

The main way people make these "leaks" is by compiling a list of features that aren't too far fetched and hoping they can score as many correct guesses as possible

[shut hinge]

I didn't know about all those but now it seems the Reddit poster was inspired by them

[gloomy isle]

They're fun to read but almost without question they're fan fiction

[hot trout]

I wonder how many false leaks were posted compared to the real ones

[analog breach]

Leaks or some datamined stuff that pepole made safe guesses based on it

[molten karma]

That goes for any leak though? I will @ all of you if the leak ends up being right.

[dense quartz]

Like actually put yourself in the shoes of a leaker.
Imagine you legitimately had info about the upcoming NMS update. What would you do?
Why the hell would you go on reddit and make a post saying stuff about it.. without proving it?
Why would you ever expect people to believe you?
And if you turn out to be proven right when the update comes out, the hell does that do for you lol

[gloomy isle]

We've had real leaks but they're almost always news coverage being posted too early.

Though we had one for origins but that was the only true one like that

[ebon lynx]

all i'm gonna go off of is that this is gonna be a substantial update considering streamers are getting sponsored for it

[shut hinge]

My dude, the leak is fake and I will @ you so hard on Wednesday

[molten karma]

Good

Please do so ❤️

[gloomy isle]

Eg worlds part 1 leaked on a Chinese news site

[ebon lynx]

specific details of content in the update isn't too important, all we know it that there's a good chance it's gonna be a good sized one

[shut hinge]

Also "new sounds"

[distant bronze]

I think what makes the leak kind of compelling is that it isnt promising the world, its predicting mechanics we know the game can handle

[gloomy isle]

The whole server lost its mind when they realised it was called worlds part 1 and not just worlds lol

[analog breach]

I got a leak for new update. It will have || new bugs ||

[gloomy isle]

See, hello games features don't tend to be either predictable or things you'd expect the engine to handle

[molten karma]

There is always bugs

[shut hinge]

Respectfully that doesn't make it compelling as something to be considered as genuine. That only means that the author knows how to make plausible-sounding features

[humble kayak]

i'd take that knowledge to my grave

probably mention it to some IRL friends who dont play the game tho

[shut hinge]

Yes that's the biggest giveaway. The post was written by someone who is hyped for the update

[gloomy isle]

Like, anyone here could think up a similarly plausible list

[molten karma]

You'd be surprised how often leakers risk it all. Halo leaks are crazy right now with RebsGaming

[shut hinge]

If they had actual knowledge, they have nothing to gain from posting it. The next NMS update is not that big of a deal

[ebon lynx]

the biggest question is how the leaker got that information anyway if Hello Games is as tight-nit as it is

[gloomy isle]

Also HG is a small company where it'd be almost impossible to remain anonymous

Once they know something got out there's not going to be many people who could have done it

[ebon lynx]

yeah

and supposedly streamers were only going to get stuff about it tomorrow to prepare for the update on wednesday

[molten karma]

They give press kits. It's happened with Origins and Worlds Part 1 and Echoes.

[ebon lynx]

no screenshots, no proof

[gloomy isle]

Like, if you leak something when you work at Ubisoft for example you're absolutely risking your career.

If you do that at HG you're basically taking your career out back and finishing it off

[molten karma]

That Goliath streamer already confirmed HG was gonna give him press review of the update tomorrow.

[ebon lynx]

yeah

[molten karma]

The leaks for HG's stuff never happen internally its always someone on the outside like a journalist or another store page messing up

[shut hinge]

Okay I think the Reddit post has gotten enough attention. I don't mean to be rude to anyone that missed them, but there are major clues in the language and style and gaps in logic, that point to it being make-believe

[molten karma]

That's why all the leaks we've gotten have been so close to the actual update day.

Just in case for anyone out of the loop ^

[shut hinge]

Why do you keep posting it

I'm out

See you Wednesday

[molten karma]

See ya later buddy take care.

[hot trout]

Oh yeah no theres no way theyre making other starship classes with interiors

[ebon lynx]

for further clarification for the lurkers, there's no screenshots or other form of proof attached to the post, and press kits or whatever (from what i'm aware of) aren't supposed to release until Tuesday, so there's a very low possibility of this person getting info on the update early at all

[hot trout]

I would love for it to be true, but theres no way

[gloomy isle]

Genuinely insane amount of work there. If they mentioned it was haulers and maybe explorers I'd be more inclined to believe

[molten karma]

I think its about a 20% chance tbh.

I don't see ship interiors working for exotics

[gloomy isle]

Even fighters are a stretch imo

[humble kayak]

I assumed they meant NPC corvettes

hence the procgen

[molten karma]

Unless they did a complete overhaul of ships and replaced legacy ones ingame outside of ones you already own but that doesn't make much sense to me either.

[gloomy isle]

I guess it could also mean other large ship types besides corvettes, if we were to entertain it

[molten karma]

Especially since expedition rewards are some ships. But yeah

[humble kayak]

I'm surprised we haven't had any expedition award corvettes

Not parts but bespoke ships

[hot trout]

The only way id believe this leak is if the poster utterly misinterpreted pretty much everything they talk about

[gloomy isle]

First person hands is another one lol

That's not on the table at all imo

Not for NMS

[humble kayak]

that one I actually thought about

Why isn't it happening?

[glass flare]

I don't see why that of all things would be off the table

[gloomy isle]

They'd have to redo every single first person animation in the game, and probably add way more new ones

[midnight stream]

they already show in vr, no?

[gloomy isle]

Yes but no first person animations

Imagine, reloads for every multi tool class in the game, new animations for every unique piece of equipment etc

[midnight stream]

iirc ship lever and throttle in 1st person ship view used to move only in vr but they ported it into non-vr

[glass flare]

compared to things like building a whole new race or converting all current ships to have interiors, that one seems entirely plausible

I haven't seen any big outcry from 1st-person players (myself included) to have hand animations though

[gloomy isle]

It's only particularly plausible if they were to just have the hands holding the models tbh

If they went the full mile that's an update's worth of work by itself right there

[glass flare]

I would expect them to do the "speed over quality" route with a feature like that

[mental socket]

Holy fanfic.

We'll see in 1-2 days

[gloomy isle]

Esp when they'd have to make sure every cosmetic worked with every new animation in the game and adjust the 1st person models accordingly

[molten karma]

I think we can see FPS hands at some point I don't see why that's impossible yet space walking and full ship interiors and building is.

FPS hands would add so much to the first person controller.

[gloomy isle]

It's more the sheer volume of work to put into it as a side feature to what's already listed

[molten karma]

I never liked that NMS became more third person focus with NEXT.

[midnight stream]

i doubt it would add much more to what we already have in non-vr

in vr the hands do help with immersion but gameplay too, as they give u a sense of where ur controllers are pointing

i guess, i havent played vr really

[gloomy isle]

That too. Unless it's the bare minimum it'd be a lot of work for not much

[midnight stream]

maybe its just a basic anim when not holding the gun

to see ur hands swaying about instead of nothing

[molten karma]

I don't think we need super indepth animations for each multitool tbh

It just needs to be good enough.

[humble kayak]

personally i think the game's in need of a movement update

[midnight stream]

i guess the hands will only be visible when the mt is holstered (though dunno what happens with the staff)

[humble kayak]

the way the character handles is too arcade-ey to me

[mental socket]

Would be nice to see hands indeed. But most leaks like these just throw a bunch of already wished on features and occasionally get a few right

[molten karma]

I always thought a climbing and grapple hook mechanic would be cool in NMS.

[humble kayak]

I'd appreciate if HG gave them more weight

[hot trout]

The "hive born" wouldnt be a separate race, theyd be like a subset of autophage, and even then the concept seems out of place for them and the void mother

[gloomy isle]

I also feel like the cosmetics are all made to be viewed from the distance of the 3rd person camera. It's fine for VR but the textures do get rough if you're up close

They'd need to redo a lot of that

[midnight stream]

yea, i just read the leak and must say im not totally sold, and i actually hope it aint right

killing npcs just doesnt feel like the way hg has been going through with this game

[hot trout]

Killing npcs feels like one of the more plausible ideas there, lol

[molten karma]

I don't think its totally far fetched for them to do considering how much visuals have improved over the years.

Also the only thing that makes me buy the leak slightly is the fact streamers are getting sponsorships and press review tomorrow and the fact a YouTuber I like a lot and feel has credibility Kanaju kind had a similar speculation about a new race or some void related content but that's about it.

I just think the timing is odd.

[hot trout]

Void related content I can believe

A new race is ridiculous

Especially if its one described like the "hive born"

[midnight stream]

the leak does seem a bit credible bc its littered with specifics and details

[molten karma]

A new race is really not that far fetched

[glass flare]

i don't see anything weird about a new race. I'd love 100 new races, make the universe feel more alive

[midnight stream]

and has some neutral and even negative comments ("kinda lame") instead of just hype

[gloomy isle]

I mean

Make echoes but also add on a worlds part 3, also add new ship types, also overhaul existing ships, also redo god knows how many animations and cosmetic assets. Oh yeah and release it 2 months early whilst working on a second game

[hot trout]

Its weird if its a copy-paste of the most recently added new race

Thats not worth making an entirely new race, thats more like a new faction akin to pirates

[midnight stream]

and procedural interior for ships... seems weird considering corvettes covered that

[molten karma]

I mean Worlds Part 1 added new water visuals, better visuals, new enemy types, water physics, new worlds, new biomes, new lore, etc...

[midnight stream]

making all non-corv ships big enough to house interiors... i dunno if i buy that

[hot trout]

I dont

[midnight stream]

yea i prolly dont

[hot trout]

They already increased the sizes of starships in the past, too

[molten karma]

I really don't think its unrealistic. I think the biggest NO from me is the old ships having interiors.

Unless there is a new ship type that is like the old star ships with interiors that'd make more sense.

[hot trout]

Ngl I feel like that would make less sense

[molten karma]

They've added new starships several times how does it not make sense?

[midnight stream]

because of scale

[zenith perch]

Singularity was expedition only iirc

[hot trout]

New starships that arent custom built but still have interiors?

[midnight stream]

see anom has 16 landing pads for normal ships but only 4 for corvs

[hot trout]

Thats basically a classic starship with the downsides of a corvette

[zenith perch]

Colony

[glass flare]

making existing ships "2-3x bigger" would probably break existing landing pad areas, that was the biggest red flag for me

[midnight stream]

yea

[molten karma]

Completely possible I'm sure HG have stats that show plenty of player still prefer older ships compared to corvettes because they don't want to bother building a ship.

[hot trout]

Building the ship is the primary draw of a corvette

[gloomy isle]

They'd have to totally redo freighter hangars too

[molten karma]

Some people want interiors without the hassle of building a ship. I mean I would personally like that.

Freighters already need to be redone because of corvettes

[midnight stream]

also, we ve all probably noticed the problem with big corvettes, loading their parts little by little in anom

imagine if all old ships became like that

[hot trout]

The interiors of those ships would be practically worthless

[gloomy isle]

Also yeah it would be a nightmare for switch lol

[molten karma]

Not if they expanded gameplay to call for interiors. Like allowing you to physically carry cargo for cargo missions

[midnight stream]

worthless or not, they would have to be tall enough for a player to fit standing in there

and i cant see this happening with old ships

[hot trout]

And would you rather do that in a cramped starship or a corvette?

[gloomy isle]

Like, the only way this would work is if it were proc gen NPC corvettes but that's not what's being suggested at all

Even then RIP switch

[molten karma]

Some people don't want to build a ship

So yes

[midnight stream]

imagine the poor update just adding bee apiaries and stuff instead lol

and us already riled up and ready to complain about ship interiors

[molten karma]

That'd be hilarious lmao but I doubt they'd sponsor streamers over it

[midnight stream]

i wonder if some dataminer like bomberboi would have some insight on this

[molten karma]

He's the one that originally mentioned the streamer sponsorship when we were talking

[hot trout]

Beekeeping update is more plausible than the post

[midnight stream]

so he backs it too?

[hot trout]

And I know you have your doubts, but as someone absolutely obsessed with this game's lore, it is astonishing how consistent it has remained over the years

[humble kayak]

i'm unironically kind of afraid it'll be this

[glass flare]

the bee = buzz makes more and more sense to me since they have having sponsored streams and SGF is next week

[humble kayak]

Both Remnants and Xeno Arena were pretty on the nose about their content

[molten karma]

Not sure about his opinion exactly on the leak but he is the one that pointed out the sponsorship in Goliaths video and that he is getting a press review tomorrow.

[zenith perch]

that "leak" isn't impossible tbh

[molten karma]

He said it's odd for HG to do this for something small

[gloomy isle]

Could absolutely be an announcement for an update, too. We've had emojis for that in the past

[zenith perch]

in wp2 we DID interact with VM no?

[molten karma]

Yeah

[hot trout]

It doesnt matter about possibility, its more about what's likely

[zenith perch]

Voyagers allows for a LOT to be added

[glass flare]

NMS: NEXT2. Coming in December 😿

[molten karma]

I say 70/30 but its just the absolute NUH UH that's making me argue because you're acting like we haven't gotten crazy updates like this the past two years.

[gloomy isle]

My ideal would be NMS Adventures (part 1 pls)

Not the emoji but yeah

[zenith perch]

Implying truth, this would be an Echoes, WP2 AND Voyagers sequel

[gloomy isle]

Yep

Fitting for the the 10th anniversary but way too early

[hot trout]

I can see that, but if it is, the person who leaked it misinterpreted almost everything

[glass flare]

yeah Worlds part 2 was like a 4chan leak but real

[zenith perch]

This is the summer update more than likely

[humble kayak]

how the hell was WP2 leaked anyway

was it 4chan?

[zenith perch]

who did

[gloomy isle]

I have a suspicion that it's the announcement of the summer update ngl

[molten karma]

I still hope we get something for the anniversary if it is.

[gloomy isle]

We've had emojis for announcements before

[molten karma]

ThatBomberBoi

[midnight stream]

bomberboi

[gloomy isle]

Frontiers

[zenith perch]

This would be on the level of NEXT marketing

[molten karma]

Gothalion is the streamer who mentioned the streamer sponsorship and the press review coming tomorrow ThatBomberBoi was the first one to find out just to be clear.

[midnight stream]

was the first one to find out what?

[zenith perch]

BEYOND made em bigger already iirc

[hot trout]

Yeah, not much point in doing it again

[gloomy isle]

Beyond didn't manage to redo all of them either, let alone add interiors

Explorers took a while to get redone to the same standard

[hot trout]

Also if I'm being absolutely honest, half the stuff in that reddit post is straight up stupid to implement in the way its described

[molten karma]

Stupid to you

[molten karma]

To point out the video and point out the sponsorship section

[gloomy isle]

It would be super redundant to do yet another star type too ngl

[hot trout]

Saying nothing about "autophage but purple" as a new race

[gloomy isle]

This is true 😂 also for some reason putting friendly NPCs into derelict freighters just chilling there

[hot trout]

WHAT

[gloomy isle]

It says that the non infected ones live in derelict freighters lmao

[midnight stream]

home is where the ❤️ is

[hot trout]

Bullshit

[hot trout]

That somehow blows everything out of the water

Literal fanfiction material

[glass flare]

I might have missed that, all I could see they said was that they can be found sometimes in abandoned factories

[humble kayak]

i can attest i saw the derelict freighter part too

[glass flare]

unless they meant the ones crashed on the ground, yeah that's pretty dumb

[midnight saffron]

what reddit post

[distant bronze]

speaking frankly, it would be a nice rework for crashed freighters

[midnight saffron]

nvm found it.

guys just trolling

[hot trout]

I checked the screenshot posted here before responding

[molten karma]

We'll see either way the sponsorship for streamers hint toward something slightly bigger regardless

[hot trout]

Something big is fine, that's cool

[midnight saffron]

not necessarily. if i remember right xeno got spasored streams

[molten karma]

No it was sponsored videos

HG dont do sponsor streams usually.

I think last time it was Voyagers

[dense quartz]

I'm not too sure what Sean meant by that other than spacewalking gameplay lol.
I still hope freighters get overhauled since there's been datamines about those being worked on, and there's been a bunch of random bugs with freighter bridges, I assume because they've been changing stuff internally for them.

[gloomy isle]

Tbh I think space walking gameplay really does have insane potential

[molten karma]

Zero G space fights

[humble kayak]

i would assume voyagers paved the path for a lot of technical stuff

Getting, effectively, entire bases to fly around and move like a ship might've helped them with the physics based objects in Remnants

[molten karma]

I think it opens the door for physical interaction to be added to mission types to like think starfield also I could see manual ship repairs be better. I think it'd be a huge plus to get some of the gameplay elements out of the menu.

[humble kayak]

i'd like manual ship repairs

or at least an option for them

[gloomy isle]

New space POIs too

[molten karma]

Honestly I'd really like more manual interaction of like fueling our space ships and such tbh.

I think that's why resource gathering is more boring in NMS compared to say Minecraft or Sons of the Forest. You just point to shoot it feels very unrewarding and boring. Even though its a scifi game I think manually mining and cutting down trees is technically better for gameplay then just point and click with no immersive animations or proper in the moment feed back outside of a shaking tree.

I guess weight is another way to describe it to?

[dense quartz]

Yeah I'm personally hoping they overhaul asteroid mining where you get out of ships and mine them with the multitool, while avoiding dangers around them.
And a difficulty setting to just revert this change for people who wouldn't like it. 😄

[dense quartz]

Yeah probably. Sean said it's insane what's going on under the hood to make corvettes work.
I just lack the imagination to see what else they'll do.

[gloomy isle]

Would be cool if they could have mini biomes inside sometimes

[molten karma]

Landing on asteroids would still be cool despite being pointless.

[molten karma]

Just want to add to the leak from earlier. The "leaker" posted something 10 mins ago but he deleted it himself. Using an reddit archive site I was able to see what he deleted and I don't know if I buy this tbh. He's essentially confirming it to be a two parter and that the actual 10th anniversary is going to be dedicated to LNF. Also is other post talk a lot about plastic surgery so unsure how legit this is tbh.

He has not posted anything in the NMS subreddits prior to these "leaks" either

[humble kayak]

It's likely bullshit but thanks for getting a screenshot of it anyways

Even if just for historical record

[molten karma]

Yeah still good cross reference for this Wednesday.

[hard stirrup]

On the current asteroids I wouldn't want to land. But HG could implement some far larger asteroids where we could build a base on...and add some tritium and Di-hydrogen hotspots on them...can you imagine how useful that would be?

[humble kayak]

That'd be pretty sick

an asteroid base with a big, impractical glass atrium

A dedicated power room, a substructure spanning deep into the rock

or just a shitload of factories if you're Spirit27

:D

[hard stirrup]

Building underground isn't viable unless you have a large natural cave. If you dig out the terrain to build, eventually the terrain will regenerate and fill out your base.

[molten karma]

I wish they could fix that some how like maybe a base computer can somehow save the area edits or something. With my minimal game development knowledge I dont think that's impossible just probably hard for a game of this scale.

[glass flare]

I would just like some deeper exploration on the planets we already have. give me some procedural dungeons or something and I'm good

as for the Part 1/2 leak shenanigans yeahhhhh.... we will see what drops, AnonymousGek

I'm not on X, has Sean posted after the first bee? he's only done one on Bluesky but he's not as active there

[molten karma]

He's done the three bees yesterday.

Which is considered early tbh.

[viral geyser]

Maybe his surgeon is seans bbl guy

Did the leaker delete it himself or did the Reddit delete it

[molten karma]

It was deleted by him.

[dense quartz]

This is a pretty nifty find.

[molten karma]

The leaker now posted this image.

[viral geyser]

Yo

That looks legit

[molten karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/1tnuo0d/definitely_not_another_leak_for_the_redacted/

[hard stirrup]

That's talking about the sentinel hive, I don't think that's what this update is about.

[viral geyser]

Another 2 parter?

Yooo I fucking hope this is real

Looks like the text and everything lines up with their previous update titles

[molten karma]

I'm really going back and forth on this man. The dudes profile is so sketchy

[mint lynx]

I would of thought this would be a small nothing update isnt it the ten year anniversary soon?

[dense quartz]

Ah my favorite, cropping leaked stuff instead of showing the whole thing. Never ever seen a redditor do that before...

[viral geyser]

Yeah always take it with a grain of salt but it would take a lot of effort just to make a fake update card

[molten karma]

Just reporting man

[viral geyser]

Apparently he’s posting the full thing tommorow

[molten karma]

I mean its happened but its just so odd that things align up with other things to.

[viral geyser]

I mean the no man’s sky log and text looks identical to the other update cards

Compared with worlds