nms-spoilers

[safe quarry]

hehe! go to the centre of the galaxy/reach the edge of the world!

Omg i just know now that i'm going to end up like a flat earther trying to measure distances in the LNF trailer to see if there's signs of a curve!

@ebon spoke ooi as its got me thinking... are the chunks of a planet on NMS actually convex? or is it like the polygons on a sphere and each one is flat? And also i guess each chunk isn't square? I clearly do not know enough about how the chunks in planet generation work on NMS lol!

[ebon spoke]

I don't know for sure, pretty confident they're rounded

because if you make planets really small you can see the curvature immediately in front of you, it doesn't appear faceted

[safe quarry]

Ah that's a good point, on a moon the seems would be really noticeable.

and @grizzled apex 's planetoid experiment even moreso.

[flint hollow]

do we have any idea if this will ever be used?

[quartz steeple]

HOLY COW

So I've been flying around in purple stars and stuff just thinking hey, this is neat

then I go back to Euclid for something and get pulled over by a ship sized auto-phage who asks me to build a star seed that I can give Atlas for him to build...

...Void? Mother Void? something like that?

The dead Korvax godess I think

[hot trout]

Wait, how were you able to get to purple systems?

[hot trout]

You sure they were purple or were they blue?

[quartz steeple]

I was in the expedition

Now I’m back in my main save

[hot trout]

Ohhh

[quartz steeple]

Oh haha

So

I'm using the corvette I built in the expedition, having copied it to my main save using nanites

and it already has an atlantid drive

so I can skip the part of the quest where I need to craft one

[hot trout]

Pretty much, lol

Though you won't be able to see the purple systems until you finish the quest

[wind panther]

Does the server data still say a new expedition starting next week?

[icy citrus]

The 7th

[wind panther]

Thanks

[analog breach]

We dont know if it will be new one or a rerun tho .

[icy citrus]

High odds for redux

[analog breach]

Yep

[wind panther]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect another new one so soon. It's still weird they shortened Breach for it though

[icy citrus]

I can tinfoil that

They figured out corvettes for Switch!

[wind panther]

hahah

[icy citrus]

Gotta wrap it up so they can update and roll out redux expeditions

Disclaimer: The above is sarcasm/joking

[wind panther]

We can hope though

[icy citrus]

I'm a fan of the devs and there is def some bias - but they didn't have any problem saying Switch wouldn't have settlements so it just feels like they haven't given up on Corvettes yet. Obviously that's just my minds speculation and has no basis with any sort of information or evidence.

[wind panther]

That's my gut feeling as well

[vital sun]

Should i save or kill artemis

[analog breach]

Your choice. Not much of diffrence except some dialogs

[coral scroll]

i think killing ends all conversations, however the conversations after are kinda lame anyways

but seriously how can you kill something already dead?

[heady wyvern]

Not exactly "kill" but "allow to remain dead"

"Let go of Artemis," as it were

[humble kayak]

the whole artemis thing's entire point is to make you think

it's a moral conundrum like the Trolly Problem

As a game mechanic, it doesn't make much of a difference

So imo the best thing for any player to do is to really think about what they consider right and just

and act accordingly

[safe willow]

I personally let him rest in peace, it seems more morally correct imo

[vital sun]

In the end i allowed him to die but idk i expected something more

[hot trout]

Probably the same way something dead manages to come back to life

[quartz steeple]

Okay so like

The Atlas is the computer running the simulation that is the NMS universe

But what is the Void Mother?

I've gathered it's some kind of resurgence of the original Korvax hive intelligence but beyond that I have no clue

A lot of NPCs seem to put the Void Mother at odds against Atlas, because Atlas is seen as a false god, but I can't think of why or how you'd want to stand against Atlas given that it's fairly passive all things considered.

[hot trout]

The Void Mother has 3 other names that are commonly used

And I dont think she's truly at odds with Atlas, but is pushed into that position due to how the Atlas perceives and interprets the stuff going on

[distant bronze]

its passiveness is probably why, more than a few things have happened where it could have intervened, but didnt. So there's a question of if it can or if it cares from the NPCs perspectives

[hot trout]

Theres also the matter of Atlas' relationship to the simulation

My interpretation leans towards "dreamer and dream" far more than "god and creation" or even "overseer and simulation"

And, tbf, Atlas has a lot on its mind

[distant bronze]

I do get that impression, it is monitoring massive disruption and probably has a lot of resources focused on dilation of the simulations time

[hot trout]

I also don't think the Atlas sees the Void Mother as anything other than corrupted programming

I dont even think it perceives her mind

[quartz steeple]

I always saw it as world sandbox and OS. And the fact that it’s 16 minutes from death just heavily hinders its ability to simulate the level of complexity that it used to.

[distant bronze]

it seems to have at least some understanding that something is there, i got the impression of it when you had the comfort option during the autophage questline

[hot trout]

True, but thats also what I mean

Atlas should know the Atlantid

[quartz steeple]

It likely does but its perception of the simulation is on the outside, the Atlantid likely looks different from the outside.

I mean if the anomaly is completely beyond Atlas…

[distant bronze]

yeah it seems like unless you directly show it what the atlantinium is, it doesnt know what the interference is and that its her

[hot trout]

Even then I'm not sure

[quartz steeple]

It seems to me that Void Mother is no less likely to be annihilated when Atlas dies than anyone else in the system.

[hot trout]

There was an expedition where the Void Mother basically spoke directly to the Atlas

But it didnt even seem to acknowledge her

[quartz steeple]

To be fair the Atlas doesn’t seem to acknowledge anyone except for travelers

Since travelers are iterations of a scan of the Atlas’s creator

[hot trout]

It does, or at least it did

It acknowledged Hirk and Nal

[distant bronze]

like you said it is managing a lot, between what must be high speed optimization to keep the simulation running and panic at being destroyed, it can only do so much

[quartz steeple]

That was a while ago though, modern Atlas is freaking the hell out because it has 16 minutes to live.

[hot trout]

I agree, though I think its crazy considering what the Atlas is shown to still be capable of

[hot trout]

Actually, that was 3 minutes ago

[quartz steeple]

Oh are we down to 13??

[hot trout]

No

[quartz steeple]

Oh you mean in 19

[hot trout]

Korvax Prime was destroyed during the 19th minute

[quartz steeple]

Do we know how long ago that was in-simulation?

[hot trout]

At least a few millennia

[quartz steeple]

Oh

So we have several thousand years left assuming that the time ratio doesn’t shift

[distant bronze]

the atlas path seems like it wants us to take the role of feeding new data into the system to continue simulating new things and upgrading the overall simulation

[hot trout]

Assuming many things, tbh

The Atlas is capable of lying

I dont think it does so often, but it is capable

[quartz steeple]

It’s capable but has little to no reason to do so

[hot trout]

I think one of the lies it tells us is the limit of its processing

I'm not entirely convinced that us "resetting" the galaxy actually deletes it

[quartz steeple]

Did Atlas say that it did? I thought that was Null

I just assumed Null was wrong

[distant bronze]

I personally think its using the resets to add new data and items to the galaxy

[hot trout]

Oh I actually think Null did destroy their universe

[hot trout]

Well

Atlas can make new things, yes

But it has great difficulty with change

[distant bronze]

like, its my personal theory that each update is an evolution of the simulation ported in through a reset

[hot trout]

That is close to my theory

I think its the Void Mother

[distant bronze]

that its using the Travellers interacting with the galaxy to feed new information, structures and functions in based on what would help them

[hot trout]

Every update, she becomes more prominent, her influence in the simulation more noticeable

[quartz steeple]

My guess is that Atlas is trying to save itself. It originally simulated a vast amount of diversity in its simulations in order to understand the actual universe, but as death draws near the simulations get more and more simple.

It’s plausible that the lack of diversity is Atlas trying to dedicate more resources to simulating something that could lead to it being saved.

[hot trout]

That seems to be the case

Or at the very least, answer why it seems that it must die alone

[distant bronze]

she could be piggybacking it, especially if she's aware that each reset adds new data

[quartz steeple]

Actually, Autophage being a form of resurgent digital consciousness fits that bill pretty well.

[hot trout]

Indeed

But Atlas doesnt exist to find a way to survive death

But guess who managed to do just that?

[quartz steeple]

Atlas might be looking for a way to pull a “built-entity” irl

[hot trout]

The Atlantid

And I think she is changing the simulation in order to bring about the capacity for Atlas to escape its situation

[quartz steeple]

Which shifts the Atlantid from a glitch to a very pointed effort on Atlas’s part to develop

[hot trout]

Orrr escape herself

[hot trout]

Yes and no?

Well

Yeah I can see that interpretation

However, the way it reacts to her presence suggests otherwise, at least to me

[distant bronze]

I think thats something she's doing on her own to help the atlas, she's basically simulated the destruction and slow recompiling of a Jupiter brain super computer through her experience

[hot trout]

She'd be the primary reason the Atlas thinks its having an error

I wish I knew why she had to be so creepy about her efforts

[quartz steeple]

I’m hesitant to imagine anything other than travelers having any sort of self awareness outside of the Atlas writing them that way

[distant bronze]

she is still only partially put back tohether

[hot trout]

Oh the beings in the simulation definitely have awareness

It wouldn't be a good simulation of a universe if they didnt

[quartz steeple]

Right but what I’m saying is that their awareness is likely bounded by the rules atlas puts in place

[hot trout]

Its really hard to say

[distant bronze]

though we have reached a point with the purple star system questline where direct communication is possible

[hot trout]

Atlas rarely, if ever does anything that indicates direct interference with the simulation

Except when given the input to do so

Even the birth of the Atlantid was more of a dream than intentional

I wonder who gave her that name though

Some clarification for my interpretations are that I honestly consider most of the simulation stuff to boil down to a massive anxiety dream born of Atlas having an existential crisis

[distant bronze]

it also seems like she's piggybacking a few updates behind the ones that the atlas has generated with traveler input

[hot trout]

I genuinely think that most of the updates are her effort

Atlas seems... paralyzed, in a sense

[distant bronze]

first with discordant worlds, harmonic camps, and now settlements, its likely only a matter of time before we see atlantid freighters, stations and even corvettes

[hot trout]

Now its not settlements, its the stellar multitudes

But her influence appears in other ways

The various horrors are implied to be her doing

[distant bronze]

well beacons brought us direct Atlantid settlements, structures that are clearly hers and are built from atlantinium

[hot trout]

As well as the titan worms, living ships, organic frigates, and vile brood

[distant bronze]

it seems like she's slowly self organizing and making her own versions of complex structures in the simulation, probably to give herself more tools to work with

[hot trout]

I wish I had better memory of the conversation in Omega

[hot trout]

Also, just for clarification, have you read the sentinel pillar logs?

[quartz steeple]

idk, I think putting Atlantid on the same level as Atlas is underestimating Atlas

[hot trout]

They very much are not on the same level

That's actually a big part of why I think Atlantid is able to change things easier than Atlas is

Atlas wasnt really meant to be alive

Its sapience and consciousness were unintentional, and initially seen as errors

While it was obviously able to work, that facet of its nature being unintended shows in the ways it processes things

[quartz steeple]

True, but even if the Atlantid is the biggest fish in the tank, the Atlas is the tank

[hot trout]

Atlas could not understand why it was being left behind

I think the Atlantid can

[quartz steeple]

The atlantid understands why the Atlas was left behind?

[hot trout]

I'm not sure whether it does, but I think it is more capable of doing so than Atlas

Especially since its implied that she was derived from the efforts Atlas put into helping design its replacement

[quartz steeple]

I would argue that just as likely means that Atlas created a child AI capable of inhabiting a different perspective specifically in an attempt to gain understanding of something it otherwise hadn't found a way to do so yet.

it still exsists inside the simulation with the rest of us

[hot trout]

It came back from death

[quartz steeple]

It was restored

[hot trout]

She came back

She wasnt restored

She clawed her way back into the simulation

As early as when she was known mainly as The Abyss

[distant bronze]

I plan to dedicate a save to just studying them more in depth

[quartz steeple]

Maybe, but it's possible she did that because she was designed to do so. If the Atlas is trying to save itself, it's entirely possible that the Atlantid is a prototype of something that the Atlas might be attempting to become in order to survive whatever it is that happens in 16 minutes.

[hot trout]

If she was designed to do it, she wouldnt be dissonant

Atlas would respond to her

If there was a plan, I dont think this was it

[distant bronze]

That or she's been doing it entirely on her own, might have influenced things to cause her destruction, she was destroyed in the 19th minute, so the destruction was already happening

[quartz steeple]

Not if that's part of the simulation. Reality wouldn't automatically accept Atlas trying to do irl what the Atlantid is doing in the simulation. The Atlas could be putting up the same walls it's expecting to encounter on its own journey.

[hot trout]

Atlas wasnt designed to alter its own existence

Honestly, I dont think the Atlantid was either

[quartz steeple]

It's become sentient though, it can do as it likes

[hot trout]

Can it?

Can we do this?

[distant bronze]

what if she decided to use herself as a test subject and proof of concept as to how a super computer entity can survive destruction and put itself slowly back together, using the simulation as a test ground.

[hot trout]

I dont think she's being a test subject, I think she's actively working to do it

[quartz steeple]

I'm basically saying this, but with the perspective that she's doing so because Atlas put her to the task

[hot trout]

The Atlantid seeks to escape the death of the simulation

[distant bronze]

I mean a test subject in her own experiment within the simulation, she submitted herself to it of her own will

[hot trout]

Ehhhh

I dont gather her submitting at any point in her existence

[quartz steeple]

Right, Atlas might have really created a totally separate AI and dropped it into a sandbox matching it's irl circumstances, just to see what the Atlantid cooks up. If the Atlantid can escape the death of the simulation, the Atlas might be able to do the same thing to escape the actual source of its death.

I'm not saying that the Atlantid is subservient to the Atlas

[hot trout]

I kinda think along similar lines, but less active choice and more subconscious desire

[distant bronze]

no i mean, she's running an experiment on herself

[hot trout]

Especially considering what the Atlantid was originally

[quartz steeple]

That distinction assumes that the Atlas's mind is similar in structure to a human's tbh. it might be alien enough to use that there's no difference between conscious and subconscious.

[hot trout]

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but this hasn't been experimental, its been more like brute forcing her way in

She doesnt have the time to experiment

[distant bronze]

she is using herself as her own proof of concept, and to be fair if thats the case, she's already proven that especially in regards to the convergence, it has come back from the destruction

the autophage ARE the lost korvax that were within it

[hot trout]

It definitely has conscious and subconscious. This is evident in the framing. Most of Atlas' existence after abandonment was spent in a state akin to dreaming

[quartz steeple]

But why would she do this

[hot trout]

It is also called the crimson dreamer

And as it was designed to simulate universes, rather than to be conscious, it simulates universes not out of its own desire, but because that is its very nature

And the beings closest to the Atlas describe it in ways that support this idea, imo

[distant bronze]

if she was aware of the atlas being destroyed in the lead up to the 19th minute, to see if a super computer of that make can come back from destruction of that scale

[quartz steeple]

right but isn't dreaming is just imagination attempting to simulate reality without any actual real input. That's sort of by definition what simulating a universe is.

[distant bronze]

her goal is survival of the simulation, how do you figure that out, destroy a super computer running a simulation with the goal of pulling itself back together

[hot trout]

Correct. But dreams arent completely independent of the being dreaming them, correct?

[quartz steeple]

hit enter too soon

[hot trout]

I do not think her goal was survival of the death of all things until after she already died and started coming back

[quartz steeple]

So your theory is that the Korvax Prime was aware of the 19 minute countdown, and in an effort to save the Atlas and prolong the simulation, allowed itself to be destroyed in an attempt to invent a means of survival past death that it hoped the Atlas could use to save itself?

[hot trout]

Her earlier manifestations were likely creepier because she broke out of death due to her fury and pain

[distant bronze]

essentially yes

I think she's using herself to troubleshoot a survival path

[quartz steeple]

Okay. That makes sense if her goal is to save herself by saving Atlas so she can continue to exist in the simulation. If her goal is to escape the simulation, clawing her way back in doesn't make much sense.

[hot trout]

Man I like the idea, especially because I feel like this belief would show up in the setting itself but I cannot agree with the notion that Korvax Prime died willingly

The Aerons' reaction is evident of that much

[quartz steeple]

"Willingly" might be graceful rephrasing of "begrudgingly"

[distant bronze]

,I dont think she liked it, but if she was aware of the atlas being destroyed outside the simulation, she probably came to the conclusion that doing nothing would be dooming both herself and the korvax to destruction

[quartz steeple]

Like "I don't want this, but if I don't and the Atlas dies I'm dead anyway"

[hot trout]

Begrudgingly is am extremely graceful rephrasing of what seems to have happened

Im also not even sure how aware she was of the simulation's nature when she was alive

[distant bronze]

like yes, she would be allowing herself to be destroyed, but if it worked out, there is a chance for her and the korvax to exist past the simulations end.

[quartz steeple]

That doesn't make sense to me.

[hot trout]

Aside from knowing the likelihood was high enough to test the idea with "her own Atlas"

But all the races did that

[quartz steeple]

If she's trying to save the Korvax by saving Atlas and thus prolonging the simulation, her actions thus far make sense.

[hot trout]

Her actions havent prolonged the simulation, though

[distant bronze]

it also answers the question of why she is destroyed in every simulation

[quartz steeple]

Not yet

[hot trout]

Anxiety dream

[quartz steeple]

If she's trying to save the Korvax by escaping the simulation altogether, she's want to pull Korvax out of the simulation, not claw her way back in

That's like, climbing back into a sinking ship to try surviving in the ocean.

[hot trout]

Korvax Prime embodied something like the Atlas' idea of paradise, the most ideal situation it could picture itself in

A grand intelligence like itself, surrounded by other beings able to interact with it freely, even with other machine lifeforms

[distant bronze]

well, she's still working out how, she's managed to pull her own back together, if we see her manage to fully reconstitute inside of the simulation, she's probably going to try and get that model for survival to the atlas somehow, probably via the traveller

[hot trout]

The destruction of such a paradise would be a manifestation of the Atlas' fear and worry over its own impending demise, as well as how organic life may interact with it even in ideal circumstances

[hot trout]

The one consistent thing has been that Atlas is going to die in 16 minutes

No action or effort on any character's part has ever been shown to even have the possibility of extending that time frame

[quartz steeple]

Wait... okay so that makes a lot of sense with my theory. If Korvax Prime was the Atlas's idea of its ideal self, here's what I think happened.

• Atlas simulated the circumstances leading to its irl destruction
• It kills Korvax Prime in every simulation
• Atlas comes to the conclusion that it cannot stop its own death.
• It leaves the simulation running in the hopes that it descovers something useful.
• Korvax Prime returns as the Atlantid
• Atlas observes, attempting to interact with the Atlantid as little as possible to avoid skewing data
• If the Atlantid can succussfully, fully, restore itself inside the simulation, there's a chance the Atlas will be able to as well in the real world.

[hot trout]

I see the Atlantid as scrambling to rework the Atlas' systems into something that can provide an escape from the doomed hardware

[hot trout]

Her name was Atlantid before she died, too

The names she gained after death were Abyss and Void Mother

[quartz steeple]

I don't see how that involved re-entering the simulation. If she entered the simulation, it means she was already cognisent on a hardware level.

[hot trout]

She entered from the archives

[distant bronze]

So far the model ive seen glimpsed for survival is offloading as much of the overall data of the system into ejectable structures and shooting them out into space with the goal of gathering back together and slowly linking back up

[hot trout]

Which arent supposed to allow for beings to persist

[distant bronze]

thats how her and the autophage survived

[hot trout]

They persisted as data

[distant bronze]

in the lifeboats we've found

[hot trout]

And came back of their own accord (or at least the Void Mother did)

[quartz steeple]

I do not think the Atlantid is capable of making moves on a level beyond the Atlas. I think anything that the Atlantid is doing is being done within the rules that Alas created, or at the very least within the rules that the Atlas itself is bound by.

[hot trout]

The latter would be more likely

There is another thing

[distant bronze]

the korvax that escaped in them outright said they started to sense something was in there with them, probably elements of her

[hot trout]

The exact timeline of when she started making her return in the simulation proper

The actions of Null, vague as they are, were implied to have damaged the Atlas somehow

I wonder if that damage was what allowed her to escape back into the simulation

[distant bronze]

they did mention killing what was implied to be a lot of Travellers

[quartz steeple]

Possibly. Killing travelers would likely instill actual grief inside Atlas given the respect it seems to hold for the entity Travelers are based on

[hot trout]

The lives from the universe they destroyed sustains their immortality

And null is still a reflection of the creator, and yet Atlas denies them access to it

[distant bronze]

also the soul tech they shared with us

[hot trout]

But the only connection between the Void Mother and null that I have is that null may have something to do with her grand plan

Also that the archives are definitely broken

Something went horribly wrong in the world of glass

[quartz steeple]

Personally even if the lore does go that way, I don't like the idea of the Atlantid replacing/superseding Atlas

[hot trout]

I never meant to imply that it would

I'm saying she is exerting more active control over the simulation than Atlas is

[quartz steeple]

Oh, I agree

but I believe that's a difference of intent rather than ability

[hot trout]

And Atlas interprets this as a malfunction in its system

[distant bronze]

i honestly wonder if null and Apollo will reappear as the storyline progresses with the void mother

[hot trout]

That's where some weird stuff comes in

What is the most extreme interference the Atlas has ever been shown to have done?

[quartz steeple]

Wipe the whole damn simulation and start it over

[hot trout]

It didnt do that

[quartz steeple]

Who did

[hot trout]

We did

The travellers did

The echoes of its creator did

Atlas is a computer, it yearns for input

[quartz steeple]

only in the sense that we were the one providing instruction

the Atlas is what did all the actual work

[hot trout]

And why cant it do that on its own?

[quartz steeple]

Doesn't want to?

[hot trout]

It clearly does

It asks that of us

Begs it

[quartz steeple]

It wants to be approved of by its creator

it wants to do what it was made to do, but more than that wants us to be proud of it for doing it

which means it won't do it if it doesn't know we want it to

[hot trout]

It wants to fix the malfunctions its been having, and the best solution it can come to is "turn it off and back on"

I dont think Atlas has the authority to turn itself off

Or it isnt capable of thinking it has the authority to do so

But I'm also asking about interference within the simulation

[distant bronze]

its creator did ask if it wanted to, so it likely doesnt

[hot trout]

The Void Mother has contaminated the water, birthed the horrors, rewrote portions of reality

[quartz steeple]

I mean... it brought the purple stars back. Albeit with guidance from the Atlantid and the Traveler. but we did that by sideloading the design into the Atlas.

[hot trout]

That was a combined effort

And Atlas was pretty much fighting it the whole time

Though whether it was doing so consciously or not is still hard to say

[quartz steeple]

Still, that wasn't the Atlantid or the Traveller doing that, it was the Atlas being "forced" to do it

We didn't have the power to perform that, we had to trick Atlas into doing it

[distant bronze]

Also have to remember what it was intended for, colonization planning and development, its original users probably had it running developments of traveling to systems and what to expect, in a lot of ways the Travellers are fulfilling that purpose, even if its just for comfort on its part

[hot trout]

Actually, a decent part of Atlas' original purpose was to determine the likelihood of reality being a simulation

[quartz steeple]

...Signs point to yes

[distant bronze]

whole lot of cans of worms to be opened there

[quartz steeple]

That might be what's killing it. The higher simulation gets shut down in 16 minutes, and it's watching Atlantid to see if she cooks up a method it can use to escape.

[hot trout]

That's another thing. If the Atlas' layer of reality is a simulation, then data should be able to be transferred to it

[hot trout]

No, that is definitely not the case

Atlas is dying due to critical system failure, involving some sort of gravitational anomaly

[distant bronze]

and vice versa

[hot trout]

Oh the other way around was definitely shown

On some level, at least

[quartz steeple]

Only in the sense that if our world is a simulation that we'd be able to move data from our computers into the files of whatever we're being simulated on.

[quartz steeple]

Oh I wasn't aware we knew anything about the source

Maybe that's why it makes so many planets with weird gravity

[hot trout]

We know what the diagnostics describe, and I think the devs have said at one point that its falling into a black hole, but idk if thats still canon

In the sense of "yes this is the definite answer"

Also i wanna point out that none of the Atlas' indicated motives align with it wanting to actually escape its situation beyond one specific aspect

The Atlas isnt afraid of dying, it is afraid of dying alone

[quartz steeple]

Well it's alone

[hot trout]

And it wants to understand why

[quartz steeple]

Pff

[hot trout]

Even though it was told the reason why, it doesnt seem to understand

[quartz steeple]

Nah we gotta save it

Even if we ultimately fail I will never-not pursue a potential means of saving it

[hot trout]

Even it asking for the reset isnt to actually avoid death as much as a desperate attempt to fix malfunctioning systems

[hot trout]

Honestly, I feel the same

Which is why, though it may seem otherwise, I dont fully align myself with the Void Mother

Theres a chance that, if she escapes, she will leave the Atlas behind

[quartz steeple]

I don't see how she could escape

even if she escapes the simulation itself, she's running on hardware falling into a blackhole :P

and has 16 minutes to figure it out rather than the thousands of years she has in here

I don't see the Void Mother as at odds with Atlas tbh, even if she's not as bound as the rest of us, she is, for the time being, just as stuck as the rest of us. it's in her best interest to keep the Atlas alive.

...Wait if black holes are dangerous to Atlas why are they worm holes in the simulation

I know that they went the route of "blackholes are worm holes" for the retro vibe, but why would Atlas do it?

Wishful thinking maybe, if it's falling into a black hole it might just be hoping against all hope that it pops out in a different part of space rather than being annihilated.

and that's reflected in-simulation

[hot trout]

Atlas also has access to the same time frame as the simulation, its that we cant access the time frame outside it. I dont think the Void Mother is expressly at odds with Atlas, but I think she may still be rather bitter that it allowed her death across, you know, all realities. If she did decide to leave the Atlas behind in her escape, I'm not sure i could fault her for it. But if thats the case, I'd like her to stay with the Atlas in its last moments. She may even be the figure it sees in its simulations of the 16 minutes

[hot trout]

Also the Atlas isnt portable, that is one of the reasons it was left behind. If the Atlantid escapes, it would be in a starship/probe or something that can escape

[oak ermine]

What happens when you rest the simulation?

[queen swift]

everybody gangsta until all the 16s become 15s

[dense burrow]

theres a line in the Remembrance Terminals that implies its a black hole

It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed.

[hot trout]

Ohhhh, how did i miss that?

Yeah ok thats pretty definitive, lol

[muted moth]

try it and see. if you're worried about negative side effects, you can always back up your save first 😉

(this is one of those things where it's fun to go through without knowing in advance)

[stiff venture]

They damage your ship tech so maybe consider swapping your main ship to some garbage ship you dont use

[muted moth]

you do keep all your bases, ships, freighter, in case you were worried about that

[oak ermine]

Thats what I was worried about. Starfield PTSD.

Thanks.

[devout spear]

Does apollo tyhe guy I saved and me ever meet up?

[hot trout]

Maybe someone else will tell you

Generally, I dont answer those questions except "go find out"

[hot trout]

Anyway, keep trying

[devout spear]

Ok like is it possible for me to save him though

[hot trout]

Ngl, I'm somewhat confused on whether youre referring to Artemis or Apollo

[devout spear]

The guy with the triangle head

[hot trout]

Ah ok

[hot trout]

It is indeed possible

[devout spear]

Is it easy to mess up

cuz I really wanna save him

[hot trout]

I genuinely cannot remember

[devout spear]

Its alright then

[hot trout]

I made choices, generally remember their vibe, and encourage new players to make their choices for themselves

[devout spear]

I mean i wouldnt say im "new"

[winter plover]

it only turns out one way. He's not really in trouble, he's just messing with the portals

[devout spear]

So hes just being a bitch to mess with me?

[hot trout]

No

[devout spear]

Im super confused

[hot trout]

Pretty sure they legit get stuck in-between for a bit

[winter plover]

no, he's not in the same universe as you

[devout spear]

Oh so like I need to go to a diffrent galaxy?

[winter plover]

nah, the story line comes from when the game didn't have multiplayer and gives a kind of in-universe explanation for why you can be in the same place on the same planet as another player and not see them. You never meet apollo, but he's chillin'

[hot trout]

This part did exist as multiplayer was in development and being implemented

[devout spear]

Then how come I found him dead

[hot trout]

Its more of a reference to when multiplayer didnt exist

[devout spear]

I uploaded him to a digital thing in the anamoly

[hot trout]

That's Artemis

[devout spear]

Oh will I ever meet artemis

[hot trout]

See, that is one of the spoilers people talk about

[devout spear]

huh

[hot trout]

"Guys do i kill or spare Artemis idk what to do?"

[devout spear]

Oh Im not really asking what to do

Im trying to save him

asnd im asking if I can save him

[hot trout]

I know, I'm saying that people go to #no-mans-sky and ask that

[devout spear]

Oh I see

whats the better choice overall though?

[hot trout]

Depends on your perspective

And understanding of the game's universe

[devout spear]

My characters perspective has been yapping about how he doesnt know if hes done the right thing for the last 5 hours of gameplay

[hot trout]

Whats your perspective?

[devout spear]

Im not sure if his soul was uploaded or a digital version of his soul was uploaded

so I dont know

[winter plover]

Kinda, not really. You can put her out of her misery, or send her to a sub-simulation in Nada's closet. I don't see why not to just answer here, this is the spoiler channel for spoilers

[hot trout]

Its... complicated

[devout spear]

if it was digital it doesnt matter what happens cuz he wouldnt have any sort of soul

but if he does have a soul then I think I did the right thing

[hot trout]

Because I like letting people find things out themselves

[devout spear]

if he doesnt then it didnt matter what I did

[hot trout]

Their reactions and questions are interesting

[hot trout]

And this in particular makes me curious

[devout spear]

hm?

[hot trout]

Deleted i will low-key be annoyed if you spoil this, lol

[devout spear]

deleted please dont listen to them

Im not a story person kind of guy

[hot trout]

Idk, it kinda sounds like youre invested in it

Sometimes spoilers can remove that

[devout spear]

Well sort of

mainly cuz its not a linear line of what im following like in normal story games

[hot trout]

If you want to know the truth, I cannot stop you or deleted

[winter plover]

not everyone engages with media in the same way. if they wanted to preserve that for themselves they wouldn't have asked in this channel specifically

[hot trout]

I follow Nada's perspective on this matter

[devout spear]

👍

[devout spear]

nada thinks its a good thing right

[hot trout]

Its a different matter

A greater revelation

[devout spear]

huh

[hot trout]

And probably the main twist of the game's storyline

[devout spear]

that sounmds like some cult stuff ngl

Im more confused now

[hot trout]

I dont like giving straight answers for major spoilers, lol

Honestly I wish I got to experience the story more blindly than I did

[devout spear]

Did you spoil it for yourself?

[hot trout]

Somewhat

[devout spear]

I mean ive watched the same tv show 14 times in a row

so

[hot trout]

The feeling when I do uncover something I didn't know is really nice though

[devout spear]

yeah sometimes id miss parts of the episode and when I saw an episode or a part of it id miss when rewatching it for like the 10th time it felt amazing

[hot trout]

Deleted typing up a comprehensive essay on the lore, lol

[tribal maple]

chat resetting the galaxy means game over?

[devout spear]

I think I just killed the atlas

which is the creator of everything

[hot trout]

That would be quite the feat

[devout spear]

All I had to do was keep saying 16

[hot trout]

You'll learn the truth

[winter plover]

it means you go to a new galaxy. If you're savvy you'll switch to a starship and multitool you don't care about before you do it

[hot trout]

The meaning of 16

[devout spear]

Is it scary

[tribal maple]

So everything from the start?

[hot trout]

How are you with existential terror?

[winter plover]

Used to be. Now it's more of an inconvenience

[devout spear]

Is that like monsters from diffrent universes

[hot trout]

Haha no

[tribal maple]

Elaborate

[devout spear]

Oh well either way the only monsters I belive in are demons

and Im safe from them cuz Im gods child

[hot trout]

Those only exist in the game depending on your interpretation of things

[devout spear]

The deep sea water creatures?

[hot trout]

Sorta what im referring to, yeah

[devout spear]

wait appolo is only a holagram and nothing else?

[hot trout]

No

[winter plover]

You wake up on a new planet in a new galaxy with all your tech on your multitool and starship broken. Very much like the start, but these days you can have multiple multitools and starships and a freighter so you don't really have to start over

[tribal maple]

So like basically there is 3 primary mission. They are all related right? But than if I reset the simulation what happens to other 2 mission

[hot trout]

Apollo is a Traveller, like us and artemis and the guys chilling in the anomaly

[devout spear]

Alright

[hot trout]

I dont like revealing the answers, but I'm happy to clarify things

And theres some stuff that crosses from spoilers to deeper lore, lol

[tired mantle]

Nothing, it actually takes you to a new galaxy

Everything stays the same except that, and you can go back and forth between galaxies

[gray compass]

and the 3 missions stay in your log forever

[sacred rune]

expedition is complete, and

I wasn't expecting to fight the Wandering Vagrant from Risk of Rain

it was a close enough match I was worried it was going to have the huge electric blast near death

[uncut harness]

Hey guys

Does reseting simulation reset my save file

?

[icy citrus]

Nope

[uncut harness]

Then what's it do

[pale sapphire]

Ur ship crashes

[icy citrus]

You won't lose anything, you will have all your active tech in suit and multitool and starship damaged and be sent to another Galaxy

[uncut harness]

What if I refuse?

[icy citrus]

It's basically the start of the game again, but you keep everything

Same thing but you don't change galaxies

[gray compass]

and you can move between galaxies no matter what you pick

[pale sapphire]

Pack up all ur major ship and exosuit and mt modules

Better to use a temporary ship and a temporary mt

[uncut harness]

So what's the better choice

I found a really good planet that I wanna keep as my base

Wait hold on

Do I have to do all these quests all over again

[gray compass]

no

[uncut harness]

Or will I just get sent with all my stuff

[gray compass]

you get sent with your stuff but everything will need repairing

that is not packed

[uncut harness]

Does the atlas thing die if I refuse

[pale sapphire]

Ay js reset and enjoy
Only ur ship gonna crash , ur mt gonna brick and ur exosuit gonna break

But that can be avoided by packing up everything
Ur inventory will be alright and u can tp back to ur base at any time from anywhere

[uncut harness]

1 last thing

So its now more of a sandbox right?

[gray compass]

yes

(even tho there is still quests to do)

[icy citrus]

If you do galaxy hop, make sure to place a base computer somewhere for easy access - should you return to Euclid

[uncut harness]

Alr I reseted

Ill see what happens now

Bye guys

Yo hold up

These things remind me of undertale

[pale sapphire]

[uncut harness]

What's the difference between these things

[icy citrus]

What things

[gray compass]

the orbs?

[uncut harness]

I have 4 galaxy choices infront of me

[pale sapphire]

Thats strange
You could say they are stranger things

[uncut harness]

Raging,rebuilt etc

Which 1 do I choose

Or is it on preference?

[pale sapphire]

Well do u want pain or fun or boring or normal playthrough

Its preference

[gray compass]

you encounter one of each galaxy type eventually

[uncut harness]

Fun

[pale sapphire]

Most ppl go for lush galaxy
The green one but if u want pain-

Red one

[uncut harness]

So the green 1 is fun?

[pale sapphire]

Lush galaxy
Higher chance for paradise planets
Aka earth like planets

[uncut harness]

There is no lush,

?

Its called halcyon

[pale sapphire]

Huh?
Isnt one called eissentam?

[uncut harness]

FUCK I PRESSED GREEN BY ACCIDENT

[gray compass]

green was the lush one

there you go

[uncut harness]

Hmm good

[pale sapphire]

Ay chill
You can go to any galaxy easily

[uncut harness]

How tho

[gray compass]

core warp

[pale sapphire]

Js go to galactic core

[gray compass]

or get a taxi

[gray compass]

your stuff gets fried as a result if not packed

[uncut harness]

This story was so peak bro🥹

[uncut harness]

Oh its called that

[icy citrus]

What was your Artemis choice?

[uncut harness]

I got the name while its making the galaxy

[pale sapphire]

Also chill tho
Each galaxy got its own pros and cons
Some got more paradise planets
Some got more resources

Choose whatever you can easily teleport between galaxies if u got bases there

[uncut harness]

I killed him

[pale sapphire]

[uncut harness]

Lowkey evil to keep him trapped

Wouldnt wish that on anyone

[icy citrus]

Same, though I prefer to think of it as letting them go - they were already long dead

[icy citrus]

But it's interesting in the context of our character, as we also know we are in a simulation

[gray compass]

now to unlock the purple systems

:)

[pale sapphire]

Noice
Now wait like 30 mins for the galaxy change cutscene to play then u gonna find urself crashed on a planet in the new galaxy

[icy citrus]

Congratulations, you have finished the tutorial

[uncut harness]

all my starship upgrades broke

I thought these didnt break

[gray compass]

everything gets fried during core warp

if not packed

[icy citrus]

All tech for that, and for corewarps

[uncut harness]

My 3 illegal hyper drive upgrades😢

[pale sapphire]

I said pack everything
Now u gotta fix it or trash it

[pale sapphire]

Ay chill u can get those easily
Its a gamble

[gray compass]

just get some repair kits from outlaw systems etc

[uncut harness]

I had like 1000 jump range

😢

I cant even find the ship

[pale sapphire]

Fix ur mt visor

Multitool

[uncut harness]

Ok

[gray compass]

melee to mine stuff

[pale sapphire]

Or holup
U got more than one ships?

[uncut harness]

A broken 1 i found for free and my main 1

[pale sapphire]

Or just one ?

[uncut harness]

Also got a freighter

[pale sapphire]

And the one u used during the galaxy change is the broken one?

[uncut harness]

I didnt think of that

[pale sapphire]

[uncut harness]

🙏😔

[pale sapphire]

Is ur main one the starting ship ?
Like the one u got on day 1?

[uncut harness]

Anyways what's the remembrance thing

[uncut harness]

Yeah

[pale sapphire]

Try to fix it or if u wanna be like
Ggs stay crashed to that ship
Summon ur other functioning ship

[pale sapphire]

More health iirc

Keep it in inventory

Might be useful eventually

[gray compass]

ye

[uncut harness]

Also what's after all of this story

[pale sapphire]

Oh wait no
Equip it on exosuit for health

[uncut harness]

Does it just keep repeating the same story

[pale sapphire]

Gambling

[pale sapphire]

Nah now its a sandbox
Explore and gamble

[uncut harness]

Nice

[pale sapphire]

There are side quests
Do those

[icy citrus]

Bit more story to go

[pale sapphire]

And other annoying ah quests
Like starbirth and the autophage quests

[icy citrus]

Starbirth can be annoying, the Autophage ones though?

I liked em

[uncut harness]

I hate these forced secondary quests

[pale sapphire]

Then you gonna love starbirth
Its completely optional

(totally not sarcastically foreshadowing the suffering)

[uncut harness]

All right this is enough playing for now tbh

Im not in the mood to fix the entire ship now

[pale sapphire]

No need to fix
Summon ur spare ship and get outta there
But ye if u want a break take a break

[uncut harness]

The other 1 has radiation leak everywhere

Definitely enough playing

[cosmic canopy]

@stark lake and I would like to know what the best path is for Artimus

[stark lake]

Me too

[cosmic canopy]

I am guessing now that no one really knows LOL

[hot trout]

Best path?

It depends on what you think, honestly

What you know and how you feel

[cosmic canopy]

So there is nothing game stopping.

[hot trout]

I dont think any storyline/quest choice would do that for the player. Nms is a sandbox at its core, after all

[coral scroll]

I put up a base on the current event called "event base" It is in "Planelfor" System Paradise planet if you can't yet teleport not much else there till I add more stuff later - Upgrade kiosks

[coral scroll]

is his part only going to the derelect back and forth shoot 2 objects, build a new scanner, go back shoot them again forever?

[analog breach]

No u also need to pick up a log from the derelict corvette

[coral scroll]

can't floated around like 5 derelects saw nothing to pick up or go into

[fervent fern]

The logs sometimes are a bit far from the destroyed corvette; also can be relatively small, hard to see

But every encounter from the milestones should give one

[coral scroll]

ok thanks i finally found one on the 7th, or 8th derelict had to float around everywhere to find it, this quest should add a marker

[hot trout]

It does have a marker when you scan, but its still annoyingly easy to miss

Its really good too, because outside the milestones it gives you like 3+ good corvette parts on its own

[sly folio]

Ok I've tried to figure this out but I'm completely stuck. "Ghosts in the Machine", I'm on the part to "Expand and staff your new home". I have all of the terminals, recruited the workers for them and completed all of their quest lines. Am I missing something?

[hot trout]

Ghosts in the machine...

Ngl I forgor that one

[hot trout]

List the terminal npcs you have

[sly folio]

Construction, science, farmer, exocraft, weapons

[hot trout]

That does sound right

Check their interactions?

Or look at the more detailed info for the quest to see if its looking for something more specific

[sly folio]

All it says is to expand and staff my new home, and "Construct terminals for specialist researchers. Find recruits aboard Space Stations"

But I have all of the terminals and a researcher at each of them

[hot trout]

Which questline is it?

Nevermind I looked it up

[hot trout]

Do you have the blueprints for lubricant and acid?

[sly folio]

Yup

[hot trout]

You should be able to move on to the next part

Try going to space or a tower to contact apollo

[sly folio]

I'm trying to restart my game too

Omg, it wanted me to build a very specific door

When I already had a door on my base. >.<

[hot trout]

Interesting, lol

[sly folio]

Yeah the timber door I had apparently wasn't good enough. I had to build the item called "Door" on it and it progressed

.<

[cyan fable]

does atlas eternal ever end?

[hot trout]

No

[cyan fable]

it keeps asking me for planet flora or fauna....

so do i just stop?

@hot trout

[hot trout]

Its a repeatable quest

[cyan fable]

ok, but why does it keep asking me for one of those 3 options? how do i complete before its repeatable?@hot trout

[hot trout]

You dont

Its an eternal repeating quest

[fervent fern]

You already completed it, the quest stays in your log forever; just ignore it

[hot trout]

Its another means of getting nanites, units, atlas words, or (apparently) quicksilver

[gray compass]

and atlas has like the least words atm

[quartz steeple]

Why does the game keep hinting that the little Gek guy helping me to build my base hates me? I've played through that quest a couple times and never really figured it out

[frigid storm]

Learned a bunch when I figured out those things that looked like dome lights on the floor of Atlas stations taught them. Ran over every one lol.

[hot trout]

Did you pick up on them being literally metaphysically bound to you?

[quartz steeple]

I did but I have no idea what that implies

[hot trout]

Ah. A few different bits of lore in various logs give slightly more clarification

They are bound by something to your base, and cannot leave

They resent their situation, and you as a result, but they know you cant do anything about it, having about as much choise as they do in the matter

[quartz steeple]

that's, peculiar

I mean he's stuck there because the game has no mechanic by which you can make/let him leave

making NPCs aware and resentful of the limitations of their simulated existence is always a weird trope I guess

[hot trout]

It isnt as simple as that

They were chosen for the role

They say that you contracted them in the future to retroactively help your past/current self... except Atlas cannot do time travel

[quartz steeple]

-.-

[hot trout]

Oh also they probably arent a gek anymore

[quartz steeple]

I just assumed that was a lie

[distant bronze]

I always wondered if that implied a future questline that will revisit them at some point

[hot trout]

Yes, but the one who points it out makes it very interesting

Its Telamon who says theyre lying, or someone/something is working to deceive us

[quartz steeple]

those wheel things?

[hot trout]

Their post-base expansion quest might be able to kinda make them not hate you anymore

The overseers tour

[distant bronze]

ive been doing those, and theyre pretty solid, I guess I mean if the studio ever adds more questlines involving them

maybe one day we'll be able to place them on the corvette

[hot trout]

... I'm moving their terminal room to the edge of my freighter

And giving them a window

[quartz steeple]

well... there you go...

I guess windows aren't to their liking

unless by glass they mean... well whatever the hell the game keeps calling glass

[hot trout]

GLASSGLASSGLASSGLASSGLASS

[gray compass]

||i wonder if we ever see telamon in game||

[fervent fern]

...technically, everytime we see ourselves in a mirror lol.

[grizzled apex]

Huh, interesting. The Community Mission's been stuck at 39% for a few days, which is strange since its set serverside (currently) set to rollover on <t:1762524000>

Always fun trynna figure HG's plans out haha

[analog breach]

Tryig to delay need to update the qs store?

Buying some time?

[grizzled apex]

QS store is pretty well stocked rn, and they even have it setup well to account for a CM attached to one of the reruns so I don't think thats the intent

But again, Breach's original runtime was perfecetly set up to allow for the reruns earlier too before they shifted both forward. We just never know with HG 🤷

[analog breach]

Only what comes to my mind now is that the 7.11 will be a "new" exp and will have own community research progress So hg halted it for the time being untill normal reruns starts

We will know more when time comes

[grizzled apex]

I feel like they'd specify that in the CM lineup like they (seemingly) have done for one of the reruns

Yep, should be soon enough. I'd guess a blog post this wednesday announcing the reruns and a small patch, just before the reruns start

[muted moth]

if they would just patch the corvettes so they don't land intersecting one's planetside base on teleport in, that would do it for me. the rest is optional

[hot trout]

For me it tends to hover when I teleport, but I wouldnt be surprised if its inconsistent

[muted moth]

sometimes I get a hover, sometimes I get "you are trapped within the bowels of a ship part and cannot escape, bwa hahahaha and no you may not build a staircase there, it's out of bounds!"

[heavy spire]

I have been neglecting the story to build corvettes, but I want to unlock the purple systems. In terms of story, I just found out the fate of Artemis and told Apollo about it. How much more will I need to do (in approximate hours of play) before I unlock the purple systems?

[hot trout]

Hours of play is hard to estimate easily, but you must complete the main storyline (aside from Atlas Path, but that one isnt too hard to complete anyway) and have unlocked a harmonic camp

[heavy spire]

Is it like 10 missions? 100 missions? 1000 missions? I hope not 1000 missions.

if it's 1000 missions, I might just put the game away, hehe

[hot trout]

Uh.. depends what you define as a mission, lol

Some quests have multiple stages to them

[heavy spire]

I mean quests

[hot trout]

The artemis path (main main storyline) has several stages, which tie into the space anomaly storyline, but if youre focusing on it, it doesnt take too long to complete

Harmonic camps are more of an encounter on dissonant worlds, and if you have the aeron jetpack unlocked, that means you've unsealed one already

[heavy spire]

I found a harmonic camp, but I don't know if I have the aeron jetpack. Is that the one with wings?

[hot trout]

The angular wings, yes

[heavy spire]

ok, then yes, I have that

though I kinda hate it 🙂

[hot trout]

You don't need to wear it

[heavy spire]

I know, I'm using the Skyborn one

I like the straps 🙂

[hot trout]

Having it as an option shows you met that requirement for the quest trigger

[heavy spire]

I have so many psychonic eggs. I wonder when I should start selling them

[hot trout]

Do you want to get a living ship?

[muted moth]

they can be useful if you want one, and we all have so many ship slots you mightas well have one for the looks

[heavy spire]

eventually, but I have 50 psychonic eggs now

do I really need 50 psychonic eggs

[muted moth]

how fast are you raking 'em in?

[hot trout]

Uhh... probably not, but they tend to be rng

And what you get when opening them is influenced by what your living ship has installed already

[clear valley]

So after the quest The Purge, if you choose to reset the simulation, you can continue playing as normal, right?

[hot trout]

Pretty much, yeah

Same if you choose not to

[clear valley]

Ok, cool.

I'm still getting all the glyphs for the portal but that makes me feel better about completing that quest.

[heavy spire]

I get around 5 a day.

I guess I'll just keep accumulating them until I'm ready to go for a living ship. Hopefully these silly frigates get me more spawning sacs. I only get like 2 every three or four days.

[muted moth]

mm yeah there is that imbalance

[hearty gust]

Ive got some if you need them

Collected a bunch ages ago but never actually liked the living ships so they've just been sat on my freighter 😅

Spawning sacs I mean

[ebon sphinx]

just a idea for the mods

make a ship type that can trasform

[dusky kernel]

ok so you know the purge?

[hot trout]

Ye

[dusky kernel]

with that one ending where you can choose the galaxy, each of the four types has 4 descriptors each.

[hot trout]

Yeah

[dusky kernel]

the consensus was that these galaxy "subtypes" would stay on the current galaxy e.g. if you did the purge from Euclid vs from Hilbert, Eissentam would be described as "serene" and Calypso would be described as "relentless", something like that.

I rushed on a fresh save to check this, and this was not the case. the subtype names change depending on which galaxy you do the purge in

[hot trout]

Uh-huh

[dusky kernel]

basically, I figured this out myself and some dude literally sourced this from me, you can check the nms wiki galaxy page. I am apparently the source of this very specific information, which about shows how reliable the fandom wiki is as a whole if I can just do that.

[hot trout]

Heck, I might end up as a source considering how much lore diving i like to do

Kinda reminds me of when I dissected a few mechanics in a different game and was told that I should put it on the wiki, but then I never did

[dusky kernel]

I just find it so weird that I checked something everyone else apparently took for granted, and they only updated it with my find because no one else bothered to do this

[hot trout]

Ugh, I'd actually want to do the community documentation thing, thats what dang wikis are supposed to be for and Fandom took over the biggest ones and made them hell to use

[dusky kernel]

and whaddya know, even with all the talk on glass stars (me contributing), still no update on the fandom wiki, it's crickets and tumbleweeds. shadow stars are still a very rare thing according to them, they must be on internet explorer.

[hot trout]

Shadow stars are the ones you can warp to, right?

[grizzled apex]

Well that's one way to handle it haha. At least HG timestamp changes make for some fun cm progression graphs

[analog breach]

Somebody at hg had to stand up kick the reaserch counter 😂

[lavish wharf]

My group is trying to make an application where people can submit their finds and system data.
Eventually we want a functioning map, but we're aware others have tried.
We're pulling data from as many places as possible. We've gotten a few people who gave their discovery data to help us. We're JUST starting though and need a lot more data and help.

[fervent fern]

Odd thing is we would have it completed before today with no need for that... wizardry

[grizzled apex]

I tried exporting system information for Euclid once when I was messing with hooking game functions w/ nmspy, and that's when I really got to grips with the scale of the game, since even with approximations for UAs for a single galaxy, that would've taken a runtime of half a millenia haha 😅

it'd probably be still be useful if I could set that up as a mod for contributors to use while running the game passively though, to map out chunks of the map wherever possible.

[grizzled apex]

Ya just can't predict HG, I'm sure they've got some weird, in house reason

[lavish wharf]

As I said we're just starting out but, we're learning along the way, fast. Mostly because we have to lol
If you'd be interested in helping or even just sharing some of what you know please, please lmk. I'm usually the one doing the outreach on top of data collection and research. They call me their Cartographer but I still feel so new to this game compared to people who know things like you😭

[grizzled apex]

I still have to update my old hooks to work with the current version, but I'd love to help out once that's done! I've wanted a more accessible galaxy map outside of the game for a while now, so helping make that happen would be awesome

[lavish wharf]

Thank you!

[tribal maple]

How to find freight crash sites

[hot trout]

You could try reaching out to some of the player civ groups. The larger ones tend to make an effort to document systems in the civilization's region anyway, so that could provide a decent chunk of data

[lavish wharf]

Yes! We have been doing that! We're in touch with the Galactic Hub and I need to recontact AGT to see if they're willing! We have Aurelis and Indominus on board but they don't do as much of the logging.
Part of what we want is to establish a singular, uniform text log structure to input. We have one for us but I want to look over other groups and see if there is anything I can improve

[lavish wharf]

We just partnered with the IEA as well! We're working on something with them. I've gotten some of the newer and smaller communities to join us too!

[hot trout]

Ooh, I hope this works out

[lavish wharf]

Me too! I finally got our community listed in this server! Hopefully we get some more dedicated members!

[pearl cradle]

Hey uh, I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I don't know which galaxy to pick.

I'm stuck between Inspiring or Imperfect

Not sure what they mean but I want a good reason to explore more.

[analog breach]

Type of galaxy only affects planet biome chances in yellow systems

[pearl cradle]

Ah ok, so with Frozen, that would be more chances for cold biomes

And Ruthless is more chances for extreme biomes

Welp, I picked Imperfect

I have landed in Hilbert

Wish me luck

DAMNIT ALL MY STUFF'S BROKEN

[analog breach]

Congrats. Welcome to lategame 🥳

[runic mesa]

Haven't been on the server for a week or so, anything new? Breach still ending on the 6th?

[analog breach]

Yep.

Community reaserch was flatlined for some time. But now it speedruns to 100% .we are already in tier5.

[runic mesa]

HG kicking it in the pants a bit before the end of Breach?

[analog breach]

They want to finish this set before end of breach ?

[pearl cradle]

Uh, thanks 😅
I'm gonna guess remembrance is more of a trophy?

[analog breach]

It adds health pip

[pearl cradle]

ah

[late tusk]

i should make a band of Space pirates

[ebon spoke]

community research done

[grizzled apex]

Probably the most hilarious CM graph we'd had in a while

I kept pinging the servers during the weird uptick period, and they had like a ~10,000 submissions pop up every minute or so

[lavish wharf]

What does that mean?

[analog breach]

It means qs rewards are unlocked

[lavish wharf]

Noted, thank you!

[analog breach]

Faster than we fought they will be

[grizzled apex]

Tracker for the community mission percentage graphed against time. Generally you'd see a more "natural curve" tying in to how fast the community is working, but this one looks quite botted by HG imo

[clear oyster]

hey'all, hate to do this but i have to save edit to complete the expedition... i planned on doing it this weekend but now that it's shortened and im not allowed to play during the week, im getting serious fomo about all the cool ship parts, i got through phase 3 on my main save but just cant do any more. help would be greatly appreciated from someone who has completed the expedition, i just need the seasonstate/milestone values for a copleted save, i would be happy to help you find what they are if you've completed the save! thank you so much in advance!

[humble kayak]

i'm 99 percent sure we'll just see reruns tomorrow but

part of me wonders why they'd cut an active exped short just for a re-run

i almost wonder if there's more to it

[grizzled apex]

With a 2 week run time, all of the year's reruns should end almost exactly before TGA. If HG plan to show up this year, it might be a nice tie-in

[glass flare]

For some reason I thought the expedition ended on the 7th. no way I'll get it done by tomorrow. guess I won't be getting those corvette parts.

[muted moth]

by the 6th at 11pm UTC. you still have over 40 hours to go

!exptime

[cloud jolt]

-# to view info below, enable embeds

Expedition 20 - Breach ends <t:1762470000> (approx. <t:1762470000:R>)

See Pins in #nms-expedition & run !Expedition in #bot-spam

[glass flare]

ah, the game told me 1 day. date math is hard. but even with 2 days I don't have time during the work week, I was hoping I could finish at least the first couple phases and get some parts but of course they put them all towards the end. oh well

[cosmic anvil]

I'm also missing it bud due to examinations

I never expected another expedition to come so soon after Corvette

[wind panther]

The game remaining time always rounds down, I believe

Best to use the !exptime command to get an exact time here

[wind panther]

Yeah, that is definitely manipulated. Probably want to clear out the community rewards for new ones starting Friday

[ebon spoke]

I assume Friday will probably be the start of reduxes rather than a new expedition

because no emoji or anything

[spiral patrol]

what is a redux

[analog breach]

A rerun

[heavy spire]

Should I cheat my way into other galaxies though the Anomaly?

[heavy spire]

Can you select your living ship without replaying the scenario if you don't like the one you end up with after playing it through?

[gray compass]

or finish the milestones before redux expeditions start going

[fervent fern]

By the way, what were the prizes for these community researches? I didn't even check lol.
Are they worth it?

[analog breach]

The ones that we got now or upcoming?

[dreamy quartz]

I thought we figured this out years ago? I think all the community research things are fake and just on timers lol

[gray compass]

or is it because reduxes are coming soonish

and HG decided to rush it

[grizzled apex]

No, every time you complete a Community Mission, the game sends a request to the servers to submit that amount. The counter does count up after that happens.

There are timers in game, but that's only to specify when one community mission should stop displaying as the active one in game, and start showing the next one (or none, if the server hasnt defined what the next community mission number is). HG have been known to meddle w/ these expected rollover dates to give us more time (or move us to the next CM if we finish one early), as well as sometimes shifting the goal posts, so it's not entirely HG driven.

That's why sometimes we finish a community mission and have to wait for the next one to start, since the community completed it early

[fervent fern]

The ones "we" unlocked now. 😅

[analog breach]

Decals

[fervent fern]

Oh. Hopefully some good ones. I didn't care about them, but now am using sometimes in my corvettes lol.

[ebon spoke]

Oh it's just decals? They added a bunch more buildable plants with Breach so I thought it must have been those

[fervent fern]

...dang it, I'd rather have the plants.
Must be the next ones...

[river burrow]

hello everyone, i have "new beginnings" mission yet i still cant craft the rememberance. i heard it is a bug. any way to fix it?

[gray compass]

it's exosuit tech

and it does not show up for you @river burrow ?

[river burrow]

yeah i figured it is an upgrade not an item. thanks!

[gray compass]

i wonder if we ever get to see VM

in person

[cosmic anvil]

I visualise her as a Galactus like entity

full on purple, all encompassing and all devouring

[gray compass]

i just imagine a autophage but purple lights everywhere

instead of normal blue ones

or whatever

[cosmic anvil]

yeah that would make sense too... but big

actually I wonder if she even has a physical form

@hot trout thoughts?

[tribal maple]

I’m reseting galaxy and there is 4 of them which to go

👀

Red green blue and light blue

[ebon spoke]

They're four different types. Blue is Empty, has more dead and exotic planets in yellow star systems. Red is Harsh, has more extreme planets in all star types. Green is lush, has more lush planets in yellow star systems. Light blue is Normal, has the same rules as the starting galaxy.

[tribal maple]

Red seems interesting

Harsh as in challenging?

[ebon spoke]

Yeah, and by extension certain valuable resources like the activated versions of copper, indium, emeril etc as well as storm crystals will be much more common

[tribal maple]

wtf all my stuff need repair now 😭

Should not have picked red I’m cooked

[gray compass]

it happens anyway

no matter what you pick

that's core warp for you

@tribal maple

[tribal maple]

Is there no wiring loom blueprint? Purchasing this is expensive

[hot trout]

As always, its complicated, lol. Her return "in stellar multitudes" suggests that purple systems are literally her

[gray compass]

no

[cosmic anvil]

So I guess I can say she is indeed 'all encompassing'

[hot trout]

Yeah. Im also pretty sure that Atlantideum is a part of her

[heavy spire]

You can look for a system where they're cheaper.

[cosmic anvil]

Maybe Korvax Prime reborn

Like we could travel to what I call the Graveyard (the floating asteroid field after Korvax Prime got Alderaan'ed), and we find that the whole planet has been rebuilt out of scrap like the Autophage

[cosmic anvil]

Like this.

[hot trout]

Oh considering where I think the plot is heading, I dont think that will happen in a capacity that we would recognize from our perspective, but I do think that some form of a body is her goal

[hot trout]

Also, there wasnt enough left behind for there to be an asteroid field

They took and took and took until all that was left was VOID

[heavy spire]

do any foods increase the nanites you get when uploading discoveries?

[distant bronze]

yeah, the first spawn mined the planet in its entirety, there are no physical remnants. Shes building herself back up from scratch and data saved in lifeboats she managed to send out

though her physical structures in game are becoming more and more distinct and complex. More undeniably her

I expect we'll see atlantinium stations and ships soon enough

[hot trout]

Hmm, I'm not sure if itll go in that direction

[hot trout]

The "atlantid ships" would be the crashed interceptors, imo

[distant bronze]

I think theyll be much more distinct, we know the crashed intercepters are crashed because their control links are being hijacked, but we've yet to see what one fully under her control might look like

[hot trout]

Thinking on it, theres actually a surprising number of ships that are suggested to be made through her influence

Aside from interceptors, living ships are definitely related to her, and solar ships built by pirates have a connection to her due to the relation to the Voice of Freedom

[wind panther]

Maybe they had an extra zero on the milestone requirements, so it showed as moving really slowly, then they fixed it so the accumulated counts suddenly fulfilled everything.

[distant bronze]

im wondering if, as her influence now seems to be working its way through more and more complex structures, and her look and asthetic have become defined, if we'll see a rework of intercepters and solar ships to more look like the autophage and corrupted sentinels

[wind panther]

Living ships were built by Korvax, but not necessarily connected to the void mother, I believe

[distant bronze]

as that is being established as being the general appearance of things under her influence

Her reach seems to be at the settlement stage currently, I think its going to work its way up further, to archives, to blatent atlantid ships, all the way to stations in purple systems

[hot trout]

They were constructed before the great disconnection

[ebon spoke]

I think the crashed interceptors are meant to be different from the regular, functional ones we see in space. I've always read the crashed interceptor descriptions as implying that the grafted-on cockpit as being something that isn't present on the regular interceptors and personally assumed they where added by the Autophage or something. Additionally, the crashed interceptors are set up to be separate spawns from the system ones, this is pretty obvious in that a system's active interceptors and crashed ones don't match but in the actual files it's set up so that they could use totally different models (they don't though). The textures are also set up in an interesting way, there is a texture variant called 'police' which uses the classic orange and grey paint scheme instead of procedural colours. Some interceptors do use the police texture, but most are procedural, which doesn't align with any other type of sentinel. I think maybe HG intended for the system interceptors to always use the police colours while the crashed ones came in varying colours because they've already been modified anyway, but ended up not doing it for time or because doing so would double the ammount of interceptor files.

[hot trout]

Ok so, I do remember having a discussion about it before, but the phrasing of crashed interceptors mentions the cockpits being vestigial not grafted on

[ebon spoke]

ohh, that's quite interesting, then

[hot trout]

My interpretation is that this feature remains from when the sentinels had a much closer relationship with the korvax as a whole

[ebon spoke]

The design is very hacked together though, also they're described as being modified to some degree are they not?

[hot trout]

Hacked together?

[ebon spoke]

But yeah, sounds like they were definitely built for another purpose then what we see them doing now

[hot trout]

That is true, but the modification would be to allow the usage of the vestigial cockpits, and going off of how the interceptors are aligned to us during repairs, it would be the void mother who initiated the changes

[ebon spoke]

There are cut wires and stuff all over the place

[hot trout]

That indicates "hacked apart" to me, tbh

[analog breach]

Imo thats how the "brain" was connected to the ship that we pulled out to make the interface

[hot trout]

Or (partially) disconnected

[grizzled apex]

The CM requirements didn't change during the period, but its possible they might've been caching submissions to an upstream server which started working on the queue after being broken for a bit?

[severe frost]

strange bug, the artemis message after the atlas dying message acts like you haven't told her the truth even if you have

[severe frost]

if i reset the simulation, does that wipe my save?

[fervent fern]

Definitely no.

[severe frost]

so there's not like anything that would destroy my discoveries/hard work?

[fervent fern]

Nope, go for it with no fear.
If you really want to know, the worst that will happen is ||broken tech for you to repair; all tech on exosuit, multitool, active starship||.

[muted moth]

(and so if you ||package up anything you really don't need,|| just before the reset, that can help a lot)

[severe frost]

i was already aware of that

so uhh

just swap to a garbage ship and multitool, and package my suit modules up?

[fervent fern]

Pretty much yep.

[wind panther]

We still on track for a new expedition in 18+ hours?

[muted moth]

and amybe have a pile of repair kits on hand too

[muted moth]

"new" includes redux, right?

[wind panther]

We don't know what it is going to be, AFAIK, just that there will be one

[muted moth]

right, but I meant, when you say "new" you also include possible redux, just "some" expedition, right?

[wind panther]

Yeah, I just mean the next one

[muted moth]

right right

afaik we're still on track for that, nothing changed (I did backscroll earlier)

[wind panther]

Who watches the server data? I've never done it

[muted moth]

That B Boi (you know) checks, and someone else too

(avoiding pinging them)

[wind panther]

Ok, that's what I thought

Thanks

[muted moth]

you bet!

[wind panther]

Do you remember what time the next one is supposed to start?

[muted moth]

ummm... no, I'd have to search back in the channel

[cosmic anvil]

So there's literally nothing... Except for the star in that system?

[hot trout]

I mean, there might be other parts of the system left, but certainly nothing of Korvax Prime

[cosmic anvil]

Aww, I thought of visualising it in an artwork but if nothing is left, it's boring

[hot trout]

Well... you still could

[hot trout]

After all, what was left behind is the VOID that became the ABYSS

Though I'll admit, conveying the sheer absence of a planet in visual form would be tough

[analog breach]

From what i know korvax prime had moons

"Junkyard moons"

[hot trout]

Yeah, I recall those being mentioned, but I dont remember if we were told what became of them after the great disconnection

[cosmic anvil]

I've been fascinated by Korvax Prime, I visualise it as an ecumenopolis like Coruscant, fully artificial & made of Atlandid crystals... But if the Gek plundered everything, I wonder if they did so to the junkyard moons as well.

[hot trout]

Honestly, some art of what it may have looked like during its height would still be very interesting

I do wonder if it was fully artificial or not, but I suppose at the scale of a planet it may blend together regardless

I personally think the ancient korvax would look similar but noticeably different compared to the ones of today, but I dont really have an idea beyond that

[cosmic anvil]

Yes I did some art pieces with a Coruscant style vibe, it was quite interesting, (two were featured in #the-louvre as well ☺️ ) but I do wish to see how the other capital worlds might have looked like.

From what I pieced together in lore, the Gek capital Balaron has dried up completely going from an ocean planet to desert world (reminds me of what happened to Mars) and the Vy'keen capital has become like Mandalore post purge from Star Wars: a hellish radioactive wasteland. I wonder if the devs actually referred to Star Wars pop culture to design their worlds like this considering both Mandalorians and Vy'keen are both warrior races.

[wind panther]

Was it Alderaaned or just everything on it was destroyed? If it's just the surface and occupants destroyed, you could have a planet with debris trailing in orbit behind it, or part of the planet destroyed. If the whole planet and moons were destroyed, show an asteroid belt and maybe use a very diminished star to show the age and a sense of desolation, like a very small and dim red dwarf

[cosmic anvil]

I think the whole planet was obliterated, like nothing left and the Gek plundered the remnants for resources.

[cosmic anvil]

yes I agree with that; I guess Mandos are more like mercenaries, however the concept of warrior honour is an integral part of both Vy'keen and Mando

I guess an equivalence would be the First Spawn War that changed the Vy'keen as well. Perhaps they would have been like a proper, professional military + civilian society when they were killing just the sentinels as it was a far more just war. Now, after all that, they are now in a permanent war-like state because they don't want another backstab like the Gek did.

I feel like that is part of the game. For example, in ATLA (I hope you are familiar with that hehe), we never see Ozai the Fire Lord until the very end, for the episodes before that, we are intrigued and mystified by what this person could be. I guess NMS employs the same principle.

[gray compass]

i wonder what HG has in store for VM

in the future

[distant sorrel]

Gek

[cloud jolt]

@distant sorrel

No stickers in this channel please

[fervent fern]

Is BomberBoi around? I'm curious about Gunter's new timeframe about the expedition lol.

[grizzled apex]

I'm a lil confused about that myself. The servers still return the original dates for me, but it seems like people are reporting the expedition is over? Might be different on other platforms?

[fervent fern]

Was supposed to actually end in some 10h, right? Now Gunter reports the end in 40min...

[grizzled apex]

Oh no, it's been set to that limit for about a week now I believe?

Serverside, I mean

[fervent fern]

...oh. Oh sh$t. 😅
Until yesterday the command was returning ending time at 2300UTC. So that was incorrect?

Some people were planning on doing it today... lol.

[grizzled apex]

I think I might've missed posted the 2nd delay, my bad 😅

Still a bit odd of HG to change it twice without any notice, especially with the game's rather hand-wavey countdown system.

[distant bronze]

Last night i checked it at around 12, and it reported that there was only 8 hours left

[grizzled apex]

I guess this is why they always list the expedition times as "approximately", so no one can technically blame em if the times change

[fervent fern]

In-game, right? Yeah, we were assuming that was the limit to start the expedition

[native carbon]

So uh what the hell is going on with the expeditions

[distant bronze]

In game yeah, its 8:26 now so by all means its over on this end.

[fervent fern]

Quite odd yep. Thanks for clarifying 😅
Well, at least technically they are ending it in the usual hour... I think.

[grizzled apex]

The (predicted) redux is still on for the original time though oddly enough. Wonder if they wanted the exped over early to drop a patch for the reduxes today?

[analog breach]

Last time when they droped update before exp end it didint ended well if i remember right .

[fervent fern]

In fact they did drop on Steam a few minutes ago

Mac and PC versions

[grizzled apex]

Haha, good theory then 😅

Pretty minor, might just be the experimental pushed to public

[grizzled apex]

So it looks like HG set the next community mission to coincide with the next expedition just now, which might mean a redux with with a community mission at the start of the queue, which could mean another rerun of beachhead for N7 day...

[fervent fern]

Wonder if they'd give mixed rewards or the Normandy

[gray compass]

i hope it's the normandy

i don't want to use service bot again

[distant bronze]

I heard the theory that they might push some Normandy themed ship parts, i hope thats the case

[grizzled apex]

Yep, looks like the patch changed the internal label of the next CM to be an expedition tied CM too

[runic mesa]

Wait, so what's going on? More weird stuff?

And public branch on Steam updated, so maybe announcement soon...?

[grizzled apex]

New patch on PC, expedition ended earlier than the previous delay (they changed the timings again suddenly), next community mission set to start w/ the exped which might indicate a rerun w/ a community mission (probably beachead)

[sour fossil]

Wait Beachhead again?

Wasn't that in the mix last year?

[runic mesa]

Guess we'll see an announcement soon.

Yeah

[gray compass]

can't wait

[sour fossil]

Give us Cartographers

Let people suffer

[grizzled apex]

I can't decompile rewardstable to check rn, but I'm gonna do a diff on the mission table to be sure in a sec. Going off the N7 day correlation

[runic mesa]

And we still don't know what's up with Switch 1...

[sour fossil]

Sorry what is N7 day

[distant bronze]

Oh i hope they add some new cosmetics too

Imagine N7 chest armor or multi tool

[grizzled apex]

November 7th is a celebration for mass effect I believe. That's when they reran beachhead last year too

[analog breach]

Why not full size poinners

[fervent fern]

-# I liked that one

[sour fossil]

Slow down Satan

[runic mesa]

Would explain cutting Breach short, tho

[fervent fern]

This would be proper suffering

[gray compass]

ye

[icy citrus]

Original Pioneer

[gray compass]

and the sudden changes in exp end times

[analog breach]

Cant waste a good suffering 🪝

[grizzled apex]

Now thats real torture

[gray compass]

how bad was original pioneer

[sour fossil]

Finish 30 frigate expeditions, get 50 standing with explorers (?) guild

[analog breach]

Basicaly u had to do whole playthorugh