nms-spoilers

[uncut harness]

No idea. But we know that other travellers such as Null traversed the World of glass

[cosmic anvil]

like a separate entity like the anomaly?

[uncut harness]

That could work yeah

[cosmic anvil]

in that way they could implement POI on a grand scale

Temple of Hirk, Central Galactic Bank of the Gek, Heart of the Convergence.. endless possibilities

[uncut harness]

Maybe something akin to Oblivion gates

[cosmic anvil]

yeahh could even be linked up to the exisiting TP network like they did for settlements

[runic mesa]

Maybe an exosuit tech override to use at teleporters?

Or do what they did with Korvax monoliths for Korvax planet portals. Have a separate terminal to override the portal and enter the World of Glass or the inbetween instead.

[safe quarry]

It might be a less exciting one, but it could be just to show the motion of a hand? I hypothesised them doing an update that gave us first person animations. So hands when we sprint, or our weapons being actually held by something other than floating?
I imagine LNF will start life with this if it even has a first person mode, and i think NMS only didn't to start because there was no player model at launch, and for NEXT it was probably one step too far on top of introducing third person models.

We just got player vocalisations in the last update, so this could have been a precursor to more of an overhaul?

Again, just playing devil's advocate for all the things it could mean that aren't the POI updates or corvettes I kind of hope it is.

It would break with his modern tradition of the emoji referring to the udpate name rather than content.

I'd say this has been answered: pretty dependable. I wish i could tell myself all the way back on the 4th!

But I'll know better for next time.

[dense quartz]

Boundary failures could be used for that rather than making a whole new POI.

[dense quartz]

if it even has a first person mode
Lots of people aren't sure if the game has first person mode for some reason, but the trailer show first person mode in action.

[safe quarry]

oh did it? I must rewatch.

[dense quartz]

Yeah a ton of people miss it somehow lol.

[safe quarry]

That's a good point, the first walk through all the players working is first person

I think considering the fact then we'll be swinging swords, shooting bows, harvesting, all being done in Fp too, that animations for first player are very likely too

floating axes as you hit a tree would feel odd especially when every single survival game out there with first and third person has visible hands for these kinds of things.

[dense quartz]

Yeah and there's players/NPCs physically carrying logs around too.

I really don't like NMS' first person animations tho, they're pretty bad lol

[safe quarry]

Yes I remember that. so I definitely think LNF will have them, so its not unreasonable to imagine NMS might. the only challenge would be the unique reload animations for each of the multi-tool types. but they could do either some nice animations for each, or some sneaky lazy shortcuts like have it happen off screen and just have the player lower it.

[safe quarry]

oh yes, the reloads are just a floating gun wiggling itself, and some like the new atlantid multitools make an attempt but it feels a bit odd when it magically reloads itself.

[dense quartz]

Also the way you equip multitools feels so unsatisfying. It's just the model slides into view within like 5 frames. I remember being surprised how in the Sentinel update they emphasized how much they changed multitools but they didn't update their animations at all.

Though oddly enough they updated the 3rd person animations lol.

[safe quarry]

mhm! So while i don't think an overhaul to first person animations would be the most exciting update for everyone, i think it would be a QOL one everyone could benefit from. That's not to say that i think that's what the emoji hinted at either, but just putting speculation out there. If i was HG, i'd do an update like that alongside features that would benefit from it (like Sentinel would have.)

[dense quartz]

Yeah, it'd be like one of many features for an update. I'm also not saying that's what this upcoming update will be. 😄

[safe quarry]

My biggest hope is corvettes, but i think now we know the emoji its less likely rather than more. But never say never!

[cosmic anvil]

dudeee I am watching Arrival to prepare for the update and you are saying first person emotes?? 😭 😭

[safe quarry]

hehe No Man's Sky: Arrival is where my vote is too, but i think that means its more likely to be the void mother.

[dense quartz]

I think the update might be multiplayer focused, as much as I personally don't care too much for it, I know people have been asking for years for it to be improved.
And if HG continue to backport LNF features into NMS, LNF seems to be much more multiplayer focused, so maybe they're bringing some of it's multiplayer features into NMS?

That's the only prediction I have. I got Relics and Beacon kinda sorta right for what the theme would be, but for this emoji I'm at a loss. 😅

[cosmic anvil]

yeahh the VM could make contact with us

we can get more lore and choices to aid her or stay neutral

maybe she wants to eliminate the Gek entirely for they did to Korvax Prime

[cosmic anvil]

yeahh I think it is almost over for corvettes ... maybe it'll be a year to see them

[safe quarry]

The only reason why i think it might not be, is the poor switch 1 players have been more or less excluded from the last update, to do two back to back wouldn't be fair or good business for HG.

[safe quarry]

There's still hope! But better not to expect them and be pleasantly surprised. I'm ready to meet this update on its own terms, rather than hope its A or B. Speculating is fun, but rn i'm just going to assume it could be anything and look forward to seeing what surprise they have in store!

I'm just relieved to have an emoji, as now we can rest easy knowing its coming on wednesday.

[dense quartz]

inb4 it adds depth and expands a piece of content that already exists and ties it with other existing content... and the overall reception will be that people are tired HG keeps adding new stuff that's pointless and shallow. That keeps happening for some reason.

Even something like Relics that was so blatantly adding depth to a piece of existing content, it still received the meme criticism for some reason.

[safe quarry]

I think an update that revisits some existing content is a safe bet too! WP1 and 2 revisited worlds, relics revisited archeology, beacons revisited settlements. Seems a trend.
And aquarius added something i think they developed for LNF, so something ported over from their work on LNF is a good bet too.

[dense quartz]

Practically every update since 2022 has been expanding and improving existing content.

Even something like Interceptor and Outlaws I'd say heavily expanded something that's already been in the game.

[dense quartz]

Oh yeah! Aquarius added something totally brand new, but further updates integrated it with other content over time.

[native carbon]

@safe quarry u were right lol

27th it is

[dense quartz]

I'm hyped to see other youtubers make their HG sponored videos with links to the NMS site to see what they have prepared.

[native carbon]

Nms throwing cheeks update

[sharp dock]

🖐️ 🖐️ 🖐️

So, No Mans Sky: Arrival?

[safe quarry]

Three nights away?

We always get these 3 emojis and peeps always speculate. but its one of the few things i think we can safely understand means 3 days away, just in case we want to be doubly reassured!

[dense quartz]

It's also a nice indicator that it's not just an expedition but is at least a content update.

I think when it's just an expedition, he posts an emoji a day away from release at most, just so people don't have time to get their hopes up.

[safe quarry]

That's true!

I think if it was just an expedition after this wait, there would be rioting anyway!

[dusk blade]

It's never been just an expedition. There's always been content, but not all content releases have had expeditions with them.

[sharp dock]

Guys, HG official account just posted the emoji, first time i see that

[dusk blade]

Must be about to fire Sean

[dense quartz]

It actually has been 2 or 3 times where it was just an expedition with no actual new content outside of the expedition itself.

[sharp dock]

The Cursed for example (i dont remember if they added something else)

[mint lynx]

The best part about this update is it's late so we could see a Tuesday release

[sharp dock]

later today sean could post the 🤠

[dense quartz]

I remember the rougelike/permadeath expedition also showed up without any content.

[sharp dock]

wait a minute

gamescon, when does the event ends?

[safe quarry]

Lets also remember before we let the delay on this one be a measure of how big its going to be: The expedition was server side at the beginning of the month, and I can't quite remember when ( @grizzled apex would be able to say) but the 27th august for the community research to end was also set at the beginning-ish of the month too. And now we know that was set with the foreknowledge of when the update would drop, it could have been done and in a state to release at the start of the month.

and this delay could be them just bug testing thoroughly after beacons.

[mint lynx]

Happy echoes anniversary

[safe quarry]

today i think.

[safe quarry]

What makes you think this?

Tuesday release i mean.

Also I actually think this is the same time difference than between relics to beacons

so it could actually not be late as far as HG are concerned. just late for what we expect.

[safe quarry]

ah not quite, a month later than between those two. i checked!

[uncut harness]

Pretty sure they don't release on weekends

[mint lynx]

It's late by what hello games is converned too they advertise new update 6 to 8 weeks

Concerned

And late by when summer updates in general normally come

[uncut harness]

I like the idea of first person updates, animation in general could use a pass. But man would I love to see NPCs waving at me anywhere on planets

[native carbon]

I doubt its only an expedition update, i think it will be like aquarius / relics, aka expedition with a new feature (like fishing/archeology)

Imagine its a corvette update with corvette expedition

[grizzled apex]

Been there since 28th of July

[zenith perch]

Expeditions should not be the major part of updates any more imo, I liked the way aquarius did it.

[zenith perch]

Frontiers was a summer update and that came out in September.

[mint lynx]

Yeah there's been exceptions but we got July update when that happened

I'm already aware of all the updates I looked into them when I was googling what day the emoji dropped aha
I've been invested since we missed the anniversary window

[bold dune]

Oh shit, did we get emoji drop

We've got...three waving hands?

Could be, greetings, or, goodbyes...?

Wait he quoted it.

...19 hours after the original.

...Echo...es...?

We already had an echoes update though

[fervent cloak]

Someone wave back

[bold dune]

"Waves" could be an update name itself, honestly

I could see, further improvements to the water in the game, perhaps more undersea content beyond the deeper oceans.

I hope we get corvettes

[runic mesa]

3 days, probably. Meaning likely Wednesday as many have guessed.

[bold dune]

Oh, yeah that'd make sense.

[gloomy isle]

No way it's water imo

[bold dune]

No? What's your reasoning?

I could also see like. EM waves or something

[gloomy isle]

We've already had 2 updates in a row that have totally overhauled water (and added waves)

Not to mention the fishing update too

[bold dune]

Yeah that's true

It'd be a bit...samey.

waving in...greetings? "Arrivals" maybe?

Expanding our horror monster selection?

I'd definitely welcome some stiffer resistance on abandoned freighters

[fervent cloak]

Hello as a form of communication? Communications update?!

[mint lynx]

Water still could use alot more building on the surface Is rough

[glass flare]

iOS port is still my guess https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/iOS/ios-16-iphone-13-pro-setup-hello-steps.png

plus maybe some other stuff in there

[mint lynx]

I iOS port don't really seem like a summer update but I always like the small stuff it adds the mac update added good stuff

[glass flare]

true, but on the other hand have they ever really had two big updates per year? Worlds Pt 2 was them going big early, I don't know if they have a full summer update of stuff left this year

[gloomy isle]

This is true, but part 2 was also originally scheduled for the previous summer

Plus if it were an IOS port they wouldn't want to keep people guessing, it would just be 🍎

[humble kayak]

ngl I'd be kind of disappointed if it's ANOTHER water update

as lazarou said theres been three updates on it

[dense quartz]

I wouldn't be disappointed, just surprised lol.

[glass flare]

I dunno, "waypoint" was a pretty big curveball for "switch port"

[grizzled apex]

They have two apple emojis too, not hard to advertise the ios launch

[grizzled apex]

waypoint was a lot of things. The mac release was solely a new platform launch, and id assume the ios port would follow a similar release

[dense quartz]

They already used both of those apple emojis for the Mac update tho.

[gloomy isle]

This is because waypoint was mainly a QOL focused update

And overall tweaks etc

[grizzled apex]

initial emoji post was the red apple i believe. the green one was on the announcement post?

[dense quartz]

Yeah Waypoint was more about QoL across the whole game rather than just a switch port.
It'd be like saying how Beacons was just a Switch 2 port lol.

[grizzled apex]

so using the green one in a tease might still be viable

[glass flare]

I think that assumption isn't based on much evidence. there's no reason to suggest iOS wouldn't be combined with a bunch of other stuff, especially because the new version of iOS that would enable running it isn't even out yet

[gloomy isle]

I don't see the vision ngl

[glass flare]

anyway I'm not throwing all my eggs in that basket, but I do think it's a leading possibility

[grizzled apex]

fair, I do think it'd have been unveiled at another apple event instead of a sole HG announcement though judging by the last one

[glass flare]

I personally don't think this will be a big update though. maybe that's just me reducing my expectations

[grizzled apex]

Well we'll get an expedition at least, I'm content with that as long as its not just another checklist slogfest

Hell, the rewards will probably make up for it if it is. HG've been doing an awesome job w/ exped rewards lately

[glass flare]

which expedition wasn't just a checklist slogfest 🙃

[gloomy isle]

I feel like most signs are pointing to it being pretty substantial tbh. Especially if you factor in how long it's taken, and the sponsored stuff

[grizzled apex]

Cartographers, Emergence, Singularity, Leviathan and the Cursed were unique and immersive in the setting, at least imo.

[gloomy isle]

Iirc we've never had a small update following a wait like this

[dense quartz]

Isn't that was expeditions are though? I've never really had fun with any of them, I just speedrun them for the items lol.

[grizzled apex]

Sponsorships arent a sign, they've done them before w/ no update in immediate sight

[gloomy isle]

Even still, they started up the week before an update (presumably)

[grizzled apex]

The truly boring ones would be something like Voyagers, Exobiology or Relics, fairly generic and without much incentive to complete them

[mint lynx]

The delayed worlds part 2 and gas giants were still broken just think how broken they were the same summer lol

[gloomy isle]

Cursed was probably my favourite with that new hazard mechanic

[glass flare]

I would grant you Singularity. I think most expeditions fall into the same "grind for mats, craft something, repeat" cycle regardless of the premise they set up

[dense quartz]

Oh yeah I'm surprised some purple planets don't have that new hazard mechanic.

[gloomy isle]

Tbf that's the whole game for the most part

[grizzled apex]

Expeds w/ unique mechanics are really memorable. Leviathan's still really unique in how it functioned

[gloomy isle]

It's the mechanical differences that can make them fun

[glass flare]

heh, well that's definitely not my NMS. I spend my time exploring. but the expeditions specifically emulate the early game, intense grinding phase which is kryptonite to me

[safe quarry]

So yes, safe to assume that most of what we are getting was in a playable state a month ago.

[grizzled apex]

Not necessarily, Adrift and Relics were on the server for about the same time period too

[safe quarry]

But also with how they do their overlapping development, no way to say how long this one has been cooking

[grizzled apex]

Relics was still pretty buggy for me, but yea Adrift wasn't too broken when it released in hindsight

[safe quarry]

oh what i mean is, if they had the community research set to 27th august a month ago, then they were confident-ish in the release date then

and a live expedition meant it was probably content complete for the most part

[grizzled apex]

Ah yea if you factor in the CM, then they've had the release schedule planned for a bit

[dense quartz]

You think this means anything?

[grizzled apex]

QA's definitely had all that time to work through it and report bugs, so it should work well on release hopefully

[safe quarry]

So to base how big it is on the delay is probably a false connection.

[grizzled apex]

Quotes to Sean's tweet actually made me realize IGN France QTed the emoji too! Wonder if they're a smaller offshoot?

[grizzled apex]

And keeping in mind how asynchronous HG's dev style has been described by Sean, it's not like they've just been working on it immediately after relics released. It's likely that 👋 has been in development for a while now, and was picked to be released now since whatever else they have cooking isn't gonna make it in time

[humble kayak]

i still want to believe corvettes

but I'm not confident now

[glass flare]

Depends, it might be a big update and gave themselves a month for QA and polishing. though I don't think that's how HG tends to work (unfortunately)

[humble kayak]

if its Arrivals then that might make sense but Waves seems pretty self explanatory for a title

[grizzled apex]

Whenever you think we understand HG's naming, think back to beacons

[humble kayak]

very true

[gloomy isle]

For the first time ever, I'm hoping it's not generation focused but more to do with adding content and activities

[mint lynx]

I was neutral on the adrift exp
Locking the color black behind a exp was comical
The new game mode was cool though

[cosmic anvil]

@safe quarry just wrapped up Arrival.... I don't think it is it dude, the concept of the movie has nothing to do with NMS

[grizzled apex]

i dont think itd be an actual arrival collab / adjacent if its called that at all. I kinda see arrival being more of a Void Mother / Families of Glass thing honestly

[cosmic anvil]

True but in that movie, the ||aliens help humanity in the concept of non linear time..|| Maybe the world of Glass is the NMS universe in the future projected in the past??

[uncut harness]

eh

[mint lynx]

Arrival could be signifying a ship arriving so it's corvettes even though we don't really need another space base lol

[uncut harness]

yes im hoping its something space related

[uncut harness]

the world of glass serves as an archive/backup of the simulation, so I don't really see how it could tie into the future really. But there are lots of things residing within the worlds of glass

[cosmic anvil]

I saw someone say it's a goodbye wave so it's the last update 💀

[uncut harness]

Nah

Iirc Sean stated in an interview that NMS is gonna be supported alongside LNF

So this claim has no basis

[cosmic anvil]

Phewwww

I would be devastated if it was otherwise

[uncut harness]

Whenever the end approaches they'll make it pretty clear I am sure

And not just out of the blue

[mint lynx]

Will be supported is too vague could just be exps

Could be exp reruns even

Could just be big fixes it essentially means nothing

[uncut harness]

Iirc NMS is a passion project for the team and as long as they have ideas for new stuff, they'll implement that into the game. Something along those lines was also said, and let's be honest there are more than enough ideas for updates still around.

I dont think they really have a roadmap with a clear end or finish line for NMS as things stand. For that it works too well as a testing bed for LNF anyways.

[mint lynx]

I admire your faith but reality often comes knocking
I suspect as long as sales keep up they will too though

[safe quarry]

hm? oh yes they definitely have nothing to do with one another

[uncut harness]

We'll surely get a 10th anniversary at the very least, don't think they would want to miss out on a milestone like that and financially they are doing well.

[mint lynx]

Hopefully it's not late like the ninth aha

[uncut harness]

heh

im satisfied with the plushie im gonna get^^

[cosmic anvil]

Gek or Traveler?

[uncut harness]

Traveller ofc, but if there was also a Vykeen I would have gotten that one too probs.

[mint lynx]

Do the right thing, get a gek

[uncut harness]

Not the biggest fan of the Gek, even if they look kinda cute

My first system on the ps4 was also a vykeen one iirc, maybe that plays a role in my bias for them too

[cosmic anvil]

Gek trade federation has best deals in the system please trade

[mint lynx]

Maybe the gek had a point almost all the korvax lore is them doing something fucked up or evil lol

Like the derelicts

[uncut harness]

I think all of the faction have some creepy stories or ominous cults among them tbh

the korvax are still likely the most peaceful of them tbh

both gek and vykeen are/were war obsessed, even though the vykeen specifically targetted sentinels

[mint lynx]

Korvax the type to give you a tea when it's cold but now you're being expirnented on

[uncut harness]

Well tbh some of the most creepy creations come from the void mother who was korvax prime, most of the horror creatures are her doing

but she only became like that after first spawn thing happened

[mint lynx]

I've seen more lore about the converge being evil then the void mommy

[uncut harness]

I still think the convergence aint anywhere close to the first spawn lol

[mint lynx]

Even a few pirates will be like I can't stop it's forcing me to kill you

I'd say the convergence isn't allowed to be as bad, it wants to be

[uncut harness]

hmmm do they directly reference the convergence there though? Im not so sure of it

[mint lynx]

Iirc one does yes
The others just imply something is forcing them I'm sure the wiki has it

The farmer warns you that your overseer is first spawn too lol

Lots of interesting lore

[uncut harness]

yeah theres ton of it hidden around

gathering it all in game is a huge pain, especially colossal archives which are rng based

so you could get the same piece of lore in several of them

[mint lynx]

I did that once on a old save never again lol

The story there you just gotta look for it

[uncut harness]

Lots of it also locked away, for example the weekend missions in 2019 which were well exclusive to that time (also where the VM did the most sus things). You can read them up online sure, but we have to go out of our way to find the stuff.

[uncut harness]

Regarding the update, i'm sorta latching onto the cave theory a bit ,since waves rhymes so well with caves. It seems like something Sean would do especially looking back at beacon, which was a more direct word pun, but the same vibe as this.

Tbh this is my least favorite of the ideas I support, I personally don't care that much about caves anymore. Which might be because they are actually in need of an update, but i'm also just...not caring about them being updated or not, lol. They can be pretty and that's enough for me ig.

The other thing is a cave update would likely mean significant unforseeable changes to planets again which I dont see HG wanting.

[safe quarry]

especially not this soon after WP1 and 2

and how even they avoided making terrain changes to existing planets

[glass flare]

perhaps though I suspect they would be more likely to reset purple worlds again if they had a good reason to. they could probably invent some lore reason why they are in flux

[ebon spoke]

Don't think the community would like that

[glass flare]

and basically say to the community "hey if you want a guaranteed home base, use a normal planet. purples are for experimenting"

[safe quarry]

If they were to do caves, i feel it would have to be a substantial change. not just the tunnels we have now but entire giant cavernous spaces etc. And i don't think they'd even touch purple planets now

I feel that when we find out what the wave refers to, we will all feel silly

or it'll be like eyes for overseer and its something we would never have guessed.

[ebon spoke]

For caves, they could possibly do something like what Minecraft did, by adding more terrain voxels underneath the existing terrain

[safe quarry]

subterranean biomes with bioluminescent flora... oh no.. now i'm starting to like this idea

like that blackreach place in skyrim

[grizzled apex]

what was the logic for that anyway? Front Ears (eyes) => Frontiers?

[ebon spoke]

I think it was just Over-see-er

but people didn't get it

[uncut harness]

They have to add a nirnroot reference if that ever happens!

[glass flare]

making caves significant feel like a hard project to pull off, but I would at least like some gosh dang planetary dungeons

[misty pollen]

Nirnroots make such a nice sound

[safe quarry]

oh yes what i mean is, until we know overseer, we would never have guessed with without knowledge of the update

and this could be the same.

something we would absolutely never guess until we know the update content

[safe quarry]

yes what @ebon spoke said, it was the overseer position

that the eyes were alluding to

and there's just no way we would have guessed that one without knowing that overseers would even be a thing

and i feel this might be something similar.

[sharp dock]

i think that would be nice if caves had more interesting things to see you know, maybe more sub-biomes, subterranean civilizations, something worth

[safe quarry]

i mean it really could be anything, even a loose pun... like... wave > wraith.

[grizzled apex]

i'm still convinced this one's related to the name rather than the content, like the majority of 24-25 updates

[safe quarry]

I agree

[grizzled apex]

and after beacons, i dont think the name needs to tie in to the content completely either?

[safe quarry]

it seems Sean's trend now, to reference the name.

not at all, beacons makes no sense for settlements!

Although i still think it may be my idea about visible hands and first person animations. But i feel they'd have to tie that in with something else.

on its own people would find that underwhelming

Since the player audio feels like a step towards that

[ebon spoke]

it's either the name or headlining feature

[sharp dock]

wait, the PS5 users usually get the updates early, doesnt they?
i remember when Worlds Part II released, there were a lot of leaks from people with ps5

[grizzled apex]

no

[safe quarry]

usually ps4 get it first, but still only on the day.

[grizzled apex]

all updates drop on the same day for all consoles (except switch sometimes)

the WP1 leaks were from a chinese website, and WP2 didnt leak

[safe quarry]

no one gets it days early

[glass flare]

no one gets leaks, some just get delays

[sharp dock]

but no at the same time

[ebon spoke]

The difference is a matter of hours, Playstation first then Steam usually I think

[sharp dock]

i remember that i saw leaks on the morning and a few hours later the update released

[safe quarry]

this feels about right.

[glass flare]

we haven't had a true leak since pre-launch day when some people were streaming the unpatched 1.0

[safe quarry]

No Man's sky: phase?

no that's rubbish

[grizzled apex]

those arent leaks, people on the console had the update since platform rollout is not synchronous

[ebon spoke]

They aren't really 'leaks' when it's just the update releasing

[grizzled apex]

one of the recent ones dropped on switch first iirc and last on steam? it was kinda hilarious to see lmao

[safe quarry]

Other than 'wave' what else could the emoji be? Hello, greetings, goodbye, attention, beckon, motion?

[grizzled apex]

im in the arrival / contact camp this time

[safe quarry]

Maybe we're stuck on wave and its something completely off the wall?

[safe quarry]

so that this is my favourite

arrival feels appropriate for the void mother.

But also would that go over most casual players heads?

[sharp dock]

What if somehow the update is related to automation

[safe quarry]

is this because that other dev posted an emoji?

[misty pollen]

Please 😭

[grizzled apex]

thats why I like it the most honestly, since Im still kinda hoping exped 19 is tied to the void mother

[glass flare]

anytime I start to fantasize about the name meanings I just remember Bacon. it really took the wind out of the sails of update name guessing for me

[safe quarry]

the expedition and the content could be independent?

[grizzled apex]

the satisfactory QT?

[safe quarry]

Like the content could be an after effect of the void mother's return

and the expedition is how we got the new content, so to speak?

if it is void mother expedition

i hope the rewards are the antithesis of the red atlas rewards

[grizzled apex]

most likely would be, but that thematic connection b/w the two is keeping me in the Arrival camp hoping for a VM update

[safe quarry]

like the helmet, backpack etc. I hope its purple void mother styled parallels

[safe quarry]

I think giant purple tears in the fabric of space would look super neat.

[glass flare]

i do like the idea of "wave" in terms of physics waves, but ultimately I know HG doesn't get that deep with it

[safe quarry]

my hoverboard with a sail confirmed

[grizzled apex]

i kinda jumped to waves bcz of how 🥓 turned out, but I now think thats too straightforward?

Like im sure HG put some marketability foresight into the update name, and "The Waves Update" doesn't seem like something that would catch people's eyes

[safe quarry]

all of us two seconds after the update drops:

[glass flare]

NMS: Tsunami

bringing new cataclysmic world events for you to survive

[safe quarry]

This is almost why i wonder if this time its not related to the name?

because i just can't think of a good pun of waving that sounds decent.

unless its not meant to be wave.

[grizzled apex]

I can't really think of a headline feature symbolised by waving either though

[safe quarry]

I like tho that this one has us stumped

[glass flare]

it only kinda fits to me if they port over sailing ships to NMS (from LNF)

[safe quarry]

it felt like 10 mins before popular consensus on the bacon emoji was 'beacon.'

Maybe thats why he's gone more enigmatic this time.

[safe quarry]

if they bring over boats before corvettes, i will not be happy

[grizzled apex]

I do like the variety of opinions this time

[uncut harness]

Boats I sleep

boats are the last thing nms needs lol

[glass flare]

sailing vessels are so not sci-fi that I would be surprised if they ever did. but then they also brought over wizard staffs

[gloomy isle]

He's retweeting and quoting himself quite a bit

[sharp dock]

i would like that, i mean, add more challenges and dangers in some planets because the only type of planet that i consider "dangerous" are the gas giants and belive me that gas giants are not that dangerous

[gloomy isle]

But yeah I'm convinced it's not water stuff

[grizzled apex]

space wizards!

[sharp dock]

maybe some "magic" features could get into game, for testing purposes

[glass flare]

in theory that kinda thing could be cool, but most of the dangerous weather events in the game are more annoying than dangerous

[sharp dock]

Aquarious Part II

[sharp dock]

i want real danger, not just reload hazard protection 5 times per minute

[mint lynx]

I'd love a survival mode update but don't most people play on normal or creative

[uncut harness]

custom is where its at

but most are on normal yeah

[mint lynx]

I don't like my saves being labeled custom it implies a failed permanent death save.

[sharp dock]

i think that its better just merge both modes into one, something between normal and some features from survival

[uncut harness]

huh, doesnt a failed pd just get deleted automatically?

[sharp dock]

its supposed to happen like that

[uncut harness]

I use a mix of survival and pd settings, though its like 90% survival with annoying/tedious mechanics turned off and a few proper challenging ones enabled

[mint lynx]

Normal and survival has minimal differences yeah it's just a little more strict
Games advertised as survival anyway

[ebon spoke]

Custom mode is the best because it's whatever people want it to be. Personally, I play custom with almost everything set the same as survival mode, just with sentinel spawns and fuel costs set to normal.

Survival sentinels are always extreme on lush planets and survival fuel costs are annoying and grindy more than difficult

[uncut harness]

increasing standing and enemy damage is kind of mandatory for me

it actually surprised me that enemy damage is only maxed out by default for PD

[mint lynx]

Survival fuel costs only matters until halfway through a leap in the dark but I get you

4 launches per fuel can be annoying

Some people deal with it until they get a interceptor I guess

[safe quarry]

I have a really tenuous theory everyone might like.

but its so tenuous it probably doesn't make sense as no one would make the connection:

"The Corvette Wave is a tradition among Chevrolet Corvette owners to give a friendly wave to other Corvette drivers they pass on the road, signifying mutual recognition of a shared passion for the iconic sports car. It's an important part of the Corvette owner experience and culture, rooted in the early days of the Corvette and encouraged by Chevrolet. While any visible wave is acceptable, including a quick hand-on-steering-wheel salute or a more elaborate hand-up-through-the-open-window wave, obscene or insulting gestures are not."

"Make a visible gesture: You can wave using your hand, a quick hand-on-steering-wheel salute, or a hand-up-through-an-open-window. "

[mint lynx]

I just want boats we got cars a truck a sub give us boats lol

[safe quarry]

"When a new Corvette driver takes his/her car out for a drive, they may be initially perplexed about why all the other Corvette drivers are waving at them. This grand tradition is referred to within the Corvette family as "THE WAVE"

[ebon spoke]

That settles it then, corvettes confirmed! Also emoting while in your starship and transparent cockpit glass . /s

[safe quarry]

wont you feel silly when i wave to you from my big giant corvette next week!

[mint lynx]

I'll be modding in giving the finger asap lol

[safe quarry]

i wonder if Sean even knows about corvette etiquette?

[icy citrus]

I'm sure it's huge in Guildford

[humble kayak]

LOL

[mint lynx]

Sean's ripped off multiple franchises fine I'm sure he does, aha

[uncut harness]

I doubt it but we don‘t know the guy a lot

[humble kayak]

i almost wonder if the corvette wave is the reason for the wave

though i

honestly doubt it

[late edge]

Hes turned nms into animal crossing

[uncut harness]

We also don‘t know if Sean decides the emotes all by himself either

Maybe the peeps working on the corvette know the etiquette and suggested it to Sean

[mint lynx]

I'd be so pumped if they actually expand farming and add bug catching

[icy citrus]

Fair

[late edge]

Yep, just need that + with fishing and settlements already lol

[mint lynx]

Bug catching multi tool attachment

Butterfly's moths shit mosquitoes too

[molten karma]

Bye could also sound like buy so economy and trading update/overhaul?

[humble kayak]

that could be a good excuse for corvettes too

smaller trading ships that merchants who aren't freighter captains would pilot around

[humble kayak]

uhh hey guys

is it normal for there to be a purple mission in The Nexus

"??kt?? Z?? zz?te??"

description is the same

banner is purple and has a multi-tool expansion slot

[molten karma]

I haven't encountered one yet but to do be fair I haven't done a lot of nexus missions lately.

[mint lynx]

I've seen a few I think they've been there since echoes

https://youtu.be/duc1o9gMt20?si=RXpaI8sRYkiroNZq

[molten karma]

Nice to see Bumble come back to speculate and he has some good points on what it could mean tbh. A bit clickbaity but nothing to offensive tbh especially compared to Cynical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpeHeLCPGeQ

[zenith perch]

Corvettes ARE in the files.

[molten karma]

There are several things in the file that either never got added or took forever to get added. But it's not impossible though.

[zenith perch]

Its the anniversary update they're usually huge

[molten karma]

Except for Frontiers and Waypoint.

[zenith perch]

Aquarius. It was about letting go and the journey, not the destination.

[zenith perch]

Nah

[zenith perch]

A settlement is a Beacon of safety

[zenith perch]

Echoes

Yall what ARE Corvettes anyways

[glass flare]

"a small warship designed for convoy escort duty."

[bold dune]

In the game files, you mean? We don't have the update files yet, I thought

[winter plover]

Anyone else think maybe corvette stuff could be just like an experiment, for HG to get movable spaces figured out in order to eventually make freighters movable? or just other large vehicles we can stand in or on working in their scene/physics system. Basically what I'm saying is: big boat. If not here (probably not, but it would be awesome) then big boat in lnf

[ebon spoke]

It could be, but the textures imply that they put more effort into the art than I would expect for something that is just a test

The exo-skiff was probably a 'test' for this sort of tech, too. It's the only object in the game that can move without you sliding off it.

[gloomy isle]

Beeblebum made some good points.

The first thing the Atlas says to us is "hello world", and the last thing it will see is a hooded figure resting their hand on their glass

Both fit 👋 pretty well

[winter plover]

I never noticed that about the exo skiff since it's still pretty janky, but it does work better than other vehicles for standing on.

[ebon spoke]

Yeah, if you stand on it and then try to 'summon' it to a nearby spot, it will sail over to that spot instead and perfectly carry you

[winter plover]

WHAT. I didn't know it could move, I thought it was just an rp friendly platform for fishing

[ebon spoke]

It's straight up just an actual boat

[winter plover]

it would make a lot of people mad, but I hope the figure is just sean murray. He'd be like the architect from the matrix and give us a long winded explanation of the how and why of the simulation that pulls from all his most infamous claims during the pre-release hype cycle. Points out that everything from the original trailers is in the game now, hits us with an "every one proceudural" and then just peaces out. I don't know how that would fix anything in universe, but I love the idea of trying to play it all off as intentional a decade later.
(not actually serious by the way, in case that's not obvious)

[blissful dragon]

Multi-player update sounds reasonable also given Hello are trailing new gameplay for light no fire

[mint lynx]

I don't think they'd give switch a L two updates in a row

[molten karma]

Unless they finally get MP working on Switch 1 at least with 4 player coop

[runic mesa]

The fact that you can slowly sail it actually makes me lowkey irritated they didn't just make it an actual boat.

[molten karma]

Kind of odd he responded with an emoji to the emoji that was a retweet of his emoji

[cosmic anvil]

We could make an 'Emoji Movie' with this

[safe quarry]

No Man's Sky: Engage? As in waving is engaging/interacting with someone else, but 'engage' is also what the captain would say in star trek?

[safe quarry]

Because he's engaging in dialogue with them :p

[cosmic anvil]

bruhh loll

then it could be an MP update?

[safe quarry]

or, being the captain of a corvette, bossing around your crew

altho looking at that, he probably would have chosen a finger point rather than a wave.

[cosmic anvil]

still unlikely about corvettes 😭

could easily been a ship emoji

[safe quarry]

Yes I would not set yourself up for failure and write off the corvettes

tho i don't think he'd have picked an obvious emoji for corvettes either

[glass flare]

given this is HG, the wave would be more like a "so long and thanks for all the fish" reference than TNG though

[cosmic anvil]

I think it is highly likely it refers to an MP update

[safe quarry]

we are getting a towel, that's the update.

[cosmic anvil]

backported from LNF

[glass flare]

well we've already got capes, so the foundational tech is there lol

[runic mesa]

One of the death quotes is from Douglas Adams, so definitely

[glass flare]

ah yes that's right

[runic mesa]

Geks suddenly start calling everyone "frood-friend!"

[lime birch]

My theory:

No Man's Sky: Arrivals 👋
Multiplayer overhaul, that can be like multi-crew ships (corvettes). I'm probably wrong but at least, it's fun to speculate 😄

[late edge]

Im starting to think its multiplayer too

[grizzled apex]

I saw someone suggest Waif as a name, which could work as being related to the Autophage?

[river surge]

And people say i dont think they'll do anything mire fir multiplayer lol

[lime birch]

Imagine, trading ships with other players 😮

[late edge]

Hmm

[river surge]

You kind of can

[lime birch]

Yeah?

[shadow oriole]

Is there a clear right answer in Artemis' fate or is this a moral choice?

[river surge]

Yeah trade with npc and tell your friend to go straight to that npc together the ship

[grizzled apex]

It's hard to do tbh. With LNF, they've written the game on a fundamental level with multiplayer in mind. NMS was programmed as a singleplayer game from the start, and it's really hard to get the same level of MP, or even well integrated MP without a full rewrite

[lime birch]

Ah right, I didn't remember that method

[grizzled apex]

Moral. The main dfference is if you upload Artemis you'll get a bit of extra dialogue during the end of the storyline.

[river surge]

Lol

[river surge]

Ok maybe they have done the rewrite

[lime birch]

@river surge it will take much longer

[shadow oriole]

Ah. Welp. They're dying.

[river surge]

Ai helped them lol

[grizzled apex]

won't know till we see it tbh. all we can do is wait for it if it happens / beg HG on zendesk

[river surge]

Yup

[late edge]

Im surprised theyre able to do all they do in a few months

[lime birch]

HG also did some previous features that were in development for a longer period

[glass flare]

LNF's multiplayer model may also be fundamentally different than NMS and just not compatible without a lot of reworking of NMS code

[lime birch]

Plot twist, they developed features in NMS and then ported in LNF they were hidden and disabled 😛

[shadow oriole]

Are there decisions in the story that affect it in a significant way? I feel like I haven't really been paying attention that much.

[lime birch]

Imagine they developed AI features and did 👋 emoji, like HI AI 😄

[grizzled apex]

HG do have a very asynchronous development model, features are usually in development for a while in tandem with others, and whatevers finished first ends up released at that time

[mint lynx]

I wish mp stayed orbs
Less bugs lol

[grizzled apex]

Not really, HG are allergic to giving consequences to any player choices lol

[lime birch]

True

[glass flare]

i'm not even sure if it's that so much as them being aware that much of the playerbase is allergic to consequences of their choices

like in the expedition where we had to pick a side, immediately people were upset at the thought of not being able to collect all the items

[humble kayak]

i mean hey

[cosmic anvil]

People will always want choice but not the consequences

[humble kayak]

along with the corvettes there was shipbase and friendshipbase

"friendshipbase" would make sense as something within a multiplayer update

[late edge]

One thing I dislike about updates is some people get so mad at these things if its not the exact thing they want

[grizzled apex]

No, the Friend bit for that enum is just a prefix used to indicate when a base belongs to someone in your party I believe

There's also FriendPlanetBase and FriendFreighterBase iirc which work as you'd expect

[humble kayak]

darn

[glass flare]

problem is, it's hard to have a sci-fi story with teeth if there's no consequences

[grizzled apex]

Since the shipbase works by creating a persistent base around your ship which is synced in MP

[grizzled apex]

Having a branching narrative, or atleast one where choices matter (even slightly more than in NMS rn) would do wonders for the game, but I think people would dread having to make a new save to try different routes because of how annoying the initial grind is, which is probably what's deterring HG from promoting replayability in that way

[uncut harness]

There's a few choices in NMS Artemis, Apollo , choosing your planet
Ones moral ones gatekeepin ones a neat trick

[glass flare]

NMS choices are more like thought exercises, ultimately there's no weight except for what you bring to them yourself

[uncut harness]

There was a choice with a tangible reward in the omega exp

Too

[grizzled apex]

Who's importance as a choice was very easily overridden by save scumming

[uncut harness]

Save scumming is a menace to many RPGs to be fair
Normally a whole game mode like XCOM iron man is needed to fix it

[glass flare]

yeah I think that's fair. a solvable problem if they wanted, but might take some work to achieve. not necessarily what I would consider a reason to not have meaningful choices tho

[grizzled apex]

I think the early game should definitely get more of HG's attention alongside the end game, but I can see how much work that might be making sure things don't break for people who've completed that section of the game

[uncut harness]

I'd love a skip early game button
At the risk of not being able to choose a new galaxy even would be fine

[grizzled apex]

As much as I like make new saves for RP / challenge run purposes, it's really draining going through that early section every time.

[lime birch]

Also it does make sense to be No Man's Sky: Contact

[late edge]

Why does HG take such a long break during the fall? They stop updates july/august/September and come back next February

[uncut harness]

Working on updates for NMS, lnf and winter break I guess

[ebon spoke]

Not releasing updates doesn't mean they aren't working on stuff

[uncut harness]

No sales yet on any platform
Maybe the emoji is for lnf not NMS 😅

[ebon spoke]

Plus I don't think they want to release anything that would require them to be working on bug fixes too close to expedition redux time/winter holiday

[uncut harness]

Imagine being hello games rn
"So guys how the hell do we beat worlds part 2"

Then ontop of that your previously two updates were 1) buggy as hell and 2) tons of people don't like or care for settlements lol

[sour fossil]

Who says they need to "beat" a previous update

[lime birch]

Playstation sale is on Wednesday for Steam it's still early for today to go on sale

[cosmic anvil]

I care about settlements as a concept 🥺 it's just the way it's down now is ridiculously tedious

[sour fossil]

Did Aquarius beat WP1?

[late edge]

Feels like a mobile game lol

I like busy work though so its fine for me

[uncut harness]

Worlds part 2 beat the previous summer updates yes lol

[lime birch]

Naaah, it doesn't need to beat

[cosmic anvil]

Hate to agree but yeahh settlement management fell way short of expectations especially if you watch the trailer

[uncut harness]

Needing to beat is a conundrum within itself
It inherently doesn't need to but if it's comparatively worse that's not good either lol

[sour fossil]

I think we should just let them cook, no point in setting expectations

I agree the other updates are buggy and HG needs to remedy that

[uncut harness]

It's too late they hired YouTubers to PR expectations are set for something 😅

Me I got my fingers crossed for a lnf release date

[sour fossil]

Hmmm fair point, reaching out to content creators implies they have something they wanna share as much as possible

I just hope it won't backfire when we get to technical problems with new update

[uncut harness]

Humorously it's often the same couple bugs ships not landing, ghosting, ect

[late edge]

Every update they release is buggy

[uncut harness]

How do you define buggy? Alot are mostly fine

[late edge]

True

One of the funniest bugs was worlds pt 1 turning every tree into a giant stalk of corn

[flint hollow]

so anything datamined for the next update or just something new?

i have not payed attention to this channel in a while

[sour fossil]

Anything that would be available was datamined the moment Beacon dropped

There was nothing new added in the later smaller patches

[sullen topaz]

CORN

[safe quarry]

Do we think there's any relevance to sean tweeting back at satisfactory with the emoji? Or just two devs acknowledging each other?

[safe quarry]

I don't think we're getting the datamined corvettes in this one, so no, nothing new.

[flint hollow]

got it

[ebon spoke]

👋: Hello Games
☕: Coffee Stain Studios (Satisfactory developers)

It would be a little weird if they planned that, since the waving emoji almost definitely relates to the actual update in some way and wasn't intended to mean Hello Games

[safe quarry]

ah this makes sense

[ebon spoke]

I don't think it's worth reading into, just the Satisfactory dev seeing a funny opportunity and going with it

[safe quarry]

Yes i suspected that might be the case, but didn't make the connection with their name. Kind of them jumping on the bandwagon i guess.

[ebon spoke]

wouldn't have caught it if I hadn't seen someone else point it out

[safe quarry]

I am in the camp of it being No Man's Sky: Arrival, but i hope we're all wrong. It would be nice to be caught out with some surprise we hadn't even suspected.

[late edge]

Maybe we can build factories

But likely a joke from them

[ebon spoke]

Well, if it's a factory building update then it would need to be an actual crossover for the Satisfactory devs to know in advance, right? That seems a little unlikely

[dense quartz]

Funniest thing about updates being buggy is how most of the community assumes they're features.

Remember when pirates attacked you literally every 2 minutes when Outlaws released?
They attacked you in your base, in your freighter, in space stations, under water, in the space anomaly... every 2 minutes.

And people thought it was intentional.

Or when Orbital released and there was a bug where if you bought a tech upgrade, instead of losing nanites, you'd get like 4 billion nanites lol. Though somehow people didn't think that one was a feature somehow.

[cosmic anvil]

Settlements are already that.. To an extent

[zenith perch]

This is genuinely very simple fix.

Have your office grant you the ability to work on X amount of things built and upgraded at once and shorten the timers based on your class.

Keeps the timer stuff for settlements making them a bit of an overall longer haul piece of content but makes it so that upgrading B to A class for example doesn't feel like it takes forever.

[zenith perch]

I care about settlements.

[zenith perch]

Add it as a custom game option where you unlock a Skip Story option after completing the story mode once maybe?

They technically can do this because abandoned mode uses a unique version of the tutorial missions.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah I was thinking a free play mode would be really good

No story quests, everything unlocked

[steep sierra]

What happens if I let myself die at the atlas? Do I wish death yes or no?

[cosmic anvil]

This and I actually want settlements to produce stuff at scale like one 50 tonne fuel frigate ain't gonna cut it, at minimum 400 tonnes is needed for at least two 18 hour expeditions

We invest a lot of resources into settlements, their current productivity is a joke

[versed meadow]

Theories

1: Gonna add some surf board like exocraft. The water beckons for a better on the water traversal method.

2. Greetings/New Beginning/Arrival/Departure something lore heavy. You wave to say goodbye and hello. So Atlas out, void mother in? Idk

3. Hello games, 👋 light no fire announcement.

4. Something language related or communication related.

[molten karma]

I don't know I think they're cooking something significant everyone tempering their expectations but I think everyone's just too doom and gloom tbh. Not expecting any feature in particular but I am expecting something beefy.

And if its small? Oh well wait for the next. I have plenty of other things to do outside of gaming.

[dense quartz]

At least we have an option to skip the 72 hour long tutorial and start with all our tech installed and fueled. That alone makes starting a new game infinitely better.

[safe quarry]

Why not just use the 'skip tutorial' option? Or do you mean the whole storyline?

The more i think about it, the more i think a quasi diagetic update would bring me back to using first person a lot more and be quite immersive for a game that's all about the experience.

[mint lynx]

Settlemids

Still no steam sale too

[grizzled apex]

Relatively quiet Update week Monday

[versed meadow]

Does it drive anyone else nuts how many people think its their last update?

Even when Sean has 100% alluded to more things coming for nms.

[analog breach]

Last update will happen eventualy. But its not this time.

[versed meadow]

Honestly. I dont think it will. For a long time.

[grizzled apex]

Oh I don't mean the quests, I skip the tutorial every time. I mean the early game grind for things like tech and recipes moreso

[versed meadow]

This isnt about earning players trust or driving more players to it. I think the devs at HG legit love the game and much like anyone who has played it. Its impossible not to think of cool shit they should add.

They have said numerous times its their passion project.

[grizzled apex]

Happens more than you'd think. I remember people extrapolating Omega to mean the end. It's usually expanded because of clickbait YouTubers wanting to drum up engagement clicks

[analog breach]

Yeah. Dont trust much on youtubers tea leaves fortune telling

They all just speculate just like us

[versed meadow]

They have known for a long time that they dont NEED to add more content to it but its very obvious they love the game as much as we do. Its their masterpiece and there's so much they could add and introduce to the game still. Its insane. I won't be surprised if they keeping adding to it as long as HG exists.

[mint lynx]

During paid promotions it's reasonable to expect YouTubers were told hint towards this but don't say it to be fair

[runic mesa]

The amusing thing about Omega is that they actually tested the expedition in experimental first. So anyone in experimental or followed experimental knew it was just the expedition name. The YTubers and Twitter blew it waaaaaay up. (Probably deliberately)

[gloomy isle]

It's a bank holiday in the UK so Sean probably won't be tweeting etc. Not sure if it would affect stuff like a sale though

[grizzled apex]

Tbf, a small part of any confusion was down to HG's own wording. They said we'd be playing a
version of a later expedition (but instead got Omega as it was), and we don't get experimental testing for things usually. But yea the "final update" doomposting was mostly overinflated speculation

[runic mesa]

True. But I sincerely think we wouldn't have gotten so many panicked questions on the server if the streamers didn't fuel it.

[grizzled apex]

I was thinking in terms of sales yea, I don't think Monday is a hot day for followup emoji posting?

[mint lynx]

Hg did it to themselves by advertising that pic of 3 nameless update names then the omega symbol

That's a self harm can't blame the YouTubers

[glad kernel]

👋

[glass flare]

pretty sure it didn't harm HG at all, only the psyches of the community who actually fell for that

[mint lynx]

Well ontop of that omega means the end
YouTubers were cooking with the food given

[lime birch]

Today should start Third Person Shooter sale on steam @grizzled apex not sure if NMS fits for that sale xD

No Man's Sky is on Sale on steam

[safe quarry]

Maybe but at the same time, they were putting words in HG's mouth. Same as their wild speculation. Until HG says they're stopping development, the youtubers should maybe not spread wild panic XD

[lime birch]

60% off
https://store.steampowered.com/app/275850/No_Mans_Sky/

[glass flare]

no sale on PS store yet

[zenith perch]

I've not seen any doom and gloom

[zenith perch]

The skip tutorial option doesn't make you skip having to do so much stuff to unlock purple systems and whatnot.

[mint lynx]

Triple emoji and a sale update confirmed screw u lnf lol

[zenith perch]

HG have a mismanaging expectations issue but anyone looking at update images and seeing 3 blank spaces somehow meaning something are grasping at not only straws, but atoms themselves.

[mint lynx]

Negative

It was 3 blank spaces followed by omega which means the end

Say what you want about YouTubers but they had a reasonable theory for Omega

[lime birch]

@glass flare PS Store sale is on wednesday at 6pm cest

[gloomy isle]

I wouldn't be surprised if sean enjoys toying with the fanbase like that 😂😂😂

I remember the build up to origins driving everyone nuts

[cosmic anvil]

Idk how much more of this we're gonna see but I'm not complaining

[native carbon]

@grizzled apex is there a set expedition date?

[runic mesa]

Sales have started dropping? Nice, right on schedule.

[sharp dock]

update tomorrow?

[cosmic anvil]

"In this infinite procedurally generated universe, you'll discover places and creatures that no other players have seen before - and perhaps never will again."

Sales are great cause I don't know which other game can say this 🫡

[grizzled apex]

Not yet, although thats not fully unprecedented. The Cursed and Titan had their expedition dates set 1 and 0 days before their start respectively, and Relics had it set 2 days before.

So from now till a few hours before the update, it'll likely get set. If not, then the expedition will probably start 2 weeks or so after the update drop (similar to Titan and Liquidators)

We'll probably the unnamed "internal" updates start tomorrow or in a few hours too

[gritty orbit]

So does it mean EOL for NMS? Saw someone posted on facebook group

[grizzled apex]

No

[gritty orbit]

Okay

[grizzled apex]

They've reiterated several times that they intend to support both NMS and LNF together, so shelving their main moneymaker before their other project is not only contradictory, its an incredibly stupid move

[runic mesa]

I'm pretty sure Sean would give a heads up if they start winding down.

[uncut harness]

Looking at reddit or other social media is already upsetting me again

Peeps really be like…it‘s the last update, lets come together one more time…

[analog breach]

Dont look at it. Problem solved

[uncut harness]

Ikik

[grizzled apex]

A deep dive style video / blog post would definitely happen before they announce EOL. A shadow drop on content makes sense because they like to see us freak out over it, but not over something that'd probably sadden the entire playerbase.

[runic mesa]

The update Nintendo news feed article Sean writes also specifically says they plan to continue supporting the Switch 1 as long as they're able

[analog breach]

Only thing thay could be last is the expedition. But def not last nms update

[late edge]

I hope we get another wise sean video sitting in his office talking about the update.

[grizzled apex]

Last time he slipped up and gave up their deaf kids room, wonder what else he'll let us know about this time 😛

[uncut harness]

Yeh hope those kids are doing alright

[late edge]

Maybe the hand is sign language 🤔

[runic mesa]

Poor deaf kids, I wonder how they've been...

[mint lynx]

iOS fans must of been devastated when the secret system was switch 2

That interview about Favorite console to work on not yet being released was a troll all along lol

[uncut harness]

Imagine they are getting their port now, that‘d devastate me!

[mint lynx]

If the summer update is a system port I'll eat my Crocs lol

[mint lynx]

No new emoji yet where the cowboy at

[analog breach]

Imo it will be posted 10am-1pm on wednesday.

[late edge]

Think we'll get a gib?

[analog breach]

Idk

Would be cool but gib lost in my eyes as "big update" indicator

[uncut harness]

I liked GIB more than Cowboy 😞

[late edge]

Why?

[analog breach]

Few times update was not big in terms on content.

[errant socket]

We need a command that days what each tweet means to the best of our ability

[crisp linden]

This reddit post is giving a theory about what the 👋 emoji from Sean Murray is all about. What do you make of it?

[errant socket]

Like what does three emojis mean

[crisp linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NOMANSSKY/s/SF6ikQKBgt

[humble kayak]

unlikely imo

[errant socket]

Nah

[humble kayak]

i feel like if something was LNF related there'd be no mistaking it

[crisp linden]

And I was given this place as an option to put this here.

[humble kayak]

we'd Know

[errant socket]

It's not LNF

[humble kayak]

^

wish it was tho

[errant socket]

The LNF account would repost at least

[ebon spoke]

Would make sense, but we have many of the signs of an update (it's the end of August, the game has just gone on sale, single emoji posts have always been teasers for updates)

[uncut harness]

Yeah

[charred mason]

I bet there will be something about LNF at the game awards in December.

[uncut harness]

LNF followers are so starved it‘s understandable that they‘re getting more desperate

I would too, but I am only interested in it a little

[mint lynx]

Honestly why haven't we heard anything about lnf in years
Worlds part 1 & 2 makes NMS look better than the lnf trailer

[ebon spoke]

Remember when people though we'd get a surprise Christmas drop of Light No Fire, despite the fact that we only have one trailer, no announced platforms or specs, and barely any knowledge of what the gameplay even is?

[mint lynx]

They overcompensating on not showing anything lnf related because of 2016 NMS I guess

[ebon spoke]

When we do eventually get more news about it, they'll just drop the news. They wont hit us with a cryptic emoji first get people hyped up for a press release.

[mint lynx]

You don't think they'll do emoji hype for lnf too?

[marble otter]

I hope so

[uncut harness]

Ngl you kinda spitting

NMS looks better noticeably now when originally the lnf trailer looked better

Lnf trailer still has better fog

[grizzled apex]

They won't do it for prerelease information imo, since they'd likely want to attract the attention of the general gaming community. Any post-release content will probably still get the emoji treatment since HG kinda seems to enjoy watching us lose our minds.

[glass flare]

sure but those changes have probably all been migrated back to LNF. friends helping friends

we just haven't seen the ...checks notes.... two years of LNF progress since the trailer dropped

[mint lynx]

Exactly why we need a new trailer
I'm looking forward to see dragon improvments lil starship knock offs lol

[molten karma]

Its kind of weird out of all the emojis the LNF account did retweet Beacons emoji.

[mint lynx]

The settlement upgrade was probably ripped directly from lnf

[bold dune]

This has always been Hello Games' way. The only time it wasn't their way was in the leadup to release back in 2016.

[glass flare]

eh we have no idea what towns/settlements are going to look like in LNF... hopefully a lot better than NMS

[bold dune]

They just don't say much until they think they have something nice to show.

[mint lynx]

They admitted worlds improvments was because of lnf and the lnf twitter reposted beacon I think it stands to reason it's from lnf too

[ebon spoke]

We have no idea if there are settlements in LNF

We don't even know what LNF's inventory system is like, or if it has survival mechanics. All we know is that it has combat with bows and swords, some level of resource collection, and base building.

[mint lynx]

Let's be honest with ourselves we can easily assume fairly confidently it will have features similar to NMS features in a fantasy version

We already saw base building swimming and starships I mean dragons

[uncut harness]

Don‘t forget the birds!

[mint lynx]

If it's another simulation we riot

Outside hg headquarters with cardboard signs

[molten karma]

Do we think the update is another week away its pretty quiet for a monday lol. No picture retweets.

[glass flare]

it's a holiday in the UK today

[ebon spoke]

It'll be this week. They've never done an emoji more than a week in advance

[late edge]

Origins and frontiers are the exceptions

[ebon spoke]

They did reveal the name and Emoji for frontiers earlier, but for both those updates the single emoji tweet didn't happen until 5 days before Origins released and 6 days before Frontiers

[humble kayak]

i shouldve learned to never have a certainty towards anything when it comes to HG

but I'm pretty confident 👋 will be some form of social update

or the VM's arrival w/ some miscellaneous stuff and more lore

[mint lynx]

Better be NPCs not multiplayer I prefer switch xD

[humble kayak]

itd be cool if it was a general immersion update

idk what that'd entail outside of NPCs though

[glass flare]

I'm just going to stay with very low expectations. there's nothing worse than getting sucked into the hype cycle with a feature you really hope gets attention, and then they release it and it's something you have no interest in

[ebon spoke]

maybe they were able to port Switch 2 multiplayer back to the Switch 1?

I agree, not much point in speculating too hard when it's only a 36ish hour wait from now

[glass flare]

it had to be pretty fun for HG to see the reactions to dropping Worlds Pt 1 when the community had no clue the new water and clouds systems were coming

[humble kayak]

agreed

though

i will say

if its ocean related im gonna be pissed lol

[mint lynx]

It's already Tuesday going on Wednesday for me my pain is real

[misty pollen]

I just found a Colossal Archive, I've never seen one before 👀 I love it

[violet forge]

Haven't been having much luck finding a gas giant. 😓

[mint lynx]

It's an end game planet beat main stories

[violet forge]

I think I've warped through over 10 different purple systems.

And yeah, I beat all the main quests.

[glass flare]

on the system info in galaxy map it will actually say "gas giant" if there is one

[grizzled apex]

Xbox now on sale

[mint lynx]

https://youtu.be/x_NqY_W9GqA?si=CMftgo6vy4nfeJ_M

If this is true would be cool

[blissful citrus]

its from Professor Cynical, a known troll in the community, i wouldnt get your hopes up

[molten karma]

It'd be nice if Sean could drop the update today but unlikely. At least everything is aligning up for Wednesday.

[safe quarry]

Not even going to click this because I know he's a pathalogical liar. He insisted on 5 separate occasions that the update would be a new game mode, according to his 'sources'

[grizzled apex]

would've loved an early drop for once, but as it stands I'm pretty sure I'll have to download 👋 at 40,000 ft 😅

[safe quarry]

A collaboration would be neat, but i think this has all the merit of all the youtubers going crazy over the clock post.

[mint lynx]

Is the abandoned mode not enough for you, lol

[safe quarry]

hehe, well if he had predicted it before it dropped, i would have been impressed.

This is him talking about the update we don't even have yet.

[misty pollen]

His source is that he made it the heck up

[safe quarry]

And then doubled down hehe

[mint lynx]

I'm surprised he's not in this discord if his views are all NMS related

[safe quarry]

Not just that, but its a terrible lie, because its so specific.

[misty pollen]

I can't be bothered to make a Twitter account and check if his claim about Satisfactory replying to Sean's tweet is true

[safe quarry]

That bit is true

but i think its just developers acknowledging each other

as @ebon spoke pointed out, the wave emoji (even if its not what its meant to be) could signify: Hello Games. So coffee stain studio tweeted back a coffee emoji

[grizzled apex]

👋 (Hello Games) 🤝 ☕ (Coffee Stain Studios)

pretty sure thats all it means

[eternal girder]

or coffee stain is also hyped for the update and its entirely unrelated to a collab and they just really like nms

[safe quarry]

exactly i think its just developers supporting each other

the way some tweet out when a game releases congratulating them for their launch. Especially among indie studios like these two are.

[eternal girder]

although it would be a really funny way to announce a collab if it is that

[safe quarry]

Problem is the kinds of features a collab would involve, would probably make each game redundant :p

[eternal girder]

possibly

[safe quarry]

Like if NMS got automation, why would you play satisfactory.

[eternal girder]

i mean they are fairly different

and idt nms would ever get that level of automation

[safe quarry]

hehe i am being a bit reductive ❤️

[eternal girder]

where the entire focus is on it

[grizzled apex]

They have a lot of interactions with the Palworld team too, so they're not strangers to just talking with other indie studios for fun

[eternal girder]

would be cool tho if it is an automation update and we get a satisfactory crossover expedition

even tho thats unlikely

[safe quarry]

My two guesses: either the arrival of the void mother, or a diagetic update focused on first person gameplay (since this might involve some ported LNF tech.)

[grizzled apex]

Besides, the only other official collab we've had in NMS was kept so secret that none of its files were even in the game while the expedition to unlock it was literally running, and thats still one of the biggest hype moments in the game imo

[misty pollen]

I think that NMS could lean into it in a way, since this game has interplanetary and interstellar concepts. I don't want to play Satisfactory in NMS though, that would be an eldritch nightmare. Every resource on every planet, then moving resources and products between planets and systems...

[safe quarry]

for sure LNF will have visible hands in its first person mode, so thats something they are developing for LNF.

[late edge]

How do we know this?

[safe quarry]

its whether they want to go to the effort of doing unique reload animations for all the multitools, and QA multiple permutations of hands.

[safe quarry]

We don't i just think I am fairly confident of it. Virtually every first person survival game features visible hands, and the only reason I think NMS didn't at launch is because we didn't even have a visible player model.

LNF is starting life with visible models and with that in mind from day one.

[mint lynx]

Same reason you'd still play subnatica I guess

[safe quarry]

plus a gun where the hand is off screen you can get away with

but a sword swinging, or cutting a tree with an axe without visible hands, so floating weaponry, will look extremely jarring

[late edge]

Ahh okay

[safe quarry]

NMS gets away with it by having most of your body offscreen to hide the fact there isn't one in first person.

I don't necessarily think they would need to introduce first person hands and details to NMS but i think it would be immersive

like imagine, if like in VR, when you use your quick menu, its a hologram display from your gauntlet

so you can see your character raise their gauntlet to project the quick menu

or actual reloads where a clip doesn't magically load itself, hehe.

[eternal girder]

does nms have vr support already?

it does right

[safe quarry]

it would be a lot of work, development wise, particularly for the animation team, and maybe not a 'big summer update' all on its own.

[safe quarry]

yes it does

i meant 'like in the vr version'

as in bring some of that diagetic UI back to regular NMS

[eternal girder]

hm

[safe quarry]

if that makes sense

[eternal girder]

ohh

[mint lynx]

Updated animations would be cool I'm not sure if uts ever been touched

[eternal girder]

right

yeah

[safe quarry]

not for first person!

I think it would be an 'underwhelming' update for most tho

[eternal girder]

i mean if theyre likely doing smth similar for lnf theyd prolly js port it over to nms

[safe quarry]

a lot of work, but for the regular player it might not feel that way

[eternal girder]

itd prolly be thrown in to some bigger update

[safe quarry]

the technical side, but it would need uniquely NMS esque animations. But then again most things ported from LNF aren't just taken wholesale, so still feasible.

[safe quarry]

Yes I think you'd need to do something around it to appease the community. i don't think it could stand on its own

despite being a monolithic task.

hand locomotion would be tricky, but neat

like imagine when you sprint seeing your arms at your sides. Or as you're falling seeing your arms flailing.

would make you feel immersed in the planets again in a way we haven't properly since NMS was a solely first person game.

And i feel the audible player vocalisations would've been a first step towards this.

And i'd finally get my visible binoculars for the survey scanner

[eternal girder]

ooh

[safe quarry]

would be nice if some of the gestures were visible in first person too

tho my guess is the emoji is probably more likely to do with the void mother.

If it wasn't for the fact the poor switch 1 has been excluded from one update already, i would have leant towards this being a multiplayer focused update. At the same time, HG seems to be very careful to make sure anything they add work in singleplayer as much as multiplayer.

and visible first person animations would be reasonable for the switch 1 to handle.

[glass flare]

i think they did all they want to do with MP in NMS. LNF is where all their MP attention is because they could build the experience from the ground up

[safe quarry]

I think so too.

either way, after one amazing update to start the year, then two middling ones, i have a good feeling we're in for a better update this time around.

[late edge]

I dont think relics was middling. Im glad they deepened archeology

[safe quarry]

oh yes i suppose, but what i mean is. I would like something that touches the day-to-day of NMS

[misty pollen]

I hope they give settlements some more love. It would be cool to ask the factory building to make certain things from resources available in the planet/system or have the agriculture building provide food to the cantina you see the settlers eating, etc

[safe quarry]

WP1 and 2 reinvented how NMS feels to play.

relics and beacons were silo experiences

even aquarius kind of improved day to day as it added something you could do on a lot of planets

whereas relics was a very specific silo of content.

[native carbon]

Relics was peak

[safe quarry]

things like: improvements to first person, improvements to creatures, new POIs, new ship classes, those would all touch NMS broadly.

[glass flare]

relics had a chance to really improve exploration POIs, but it just scattered random blocks on a planet instead of actually building procedural ruins that would add things to search out and explore. total swing and a miss

[safe quarry]

Relics was good, but in about an hour i had seen everything the update had to show.

[cosmic anvil]

Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle

[safe quarry]

I was hoping it was teasing an overhaul to ruins.

[cosmic anvil]

It always comes back to that

Unfortunately

[safe quarry]

especially as visually they are different to the ruins we have on the ruined planet biomes.

[glass flare]

yeah. they basically just took the old exotic planet template and made them a bit more interactive

[safe quarry]

I think this is why i keep coming back to wanting them to add more to the day-to-day, this would go some way to deepening that puddle.

[native carbon]

Guys do u think the update will be big, medium or small? Or microscopic (fractals)

[safe quarry]

Well its supposed to be the 'big summer update' but those have never been huge since beyond

[grizzled apex]

I liked fractals, but mostly because it gave us a leaked debug build haha

[safe quarry]

but it will be big by today's standard of update i would suspect

maybe WP1 or 2, echoes, those kind of parallels.

[cosmic anvil]

The heck you're finally back? I thought you had a ethereal experience from all the pent up emotion once the emoji released

[safe quarry]

Echoes was a good example of a smartly frugal update.

if you distilled its parts it wasn't a gigantic amount of dev work (comparative) but it felt like a significant update.

[glass flare]

was that the one that added the Interceptor ship class

[safe quarry]

Not downplaying the amount of dev work it would have taken, just compared to say WP1, it was lean but it made its content go a long way

Nuh echoes added the autophage and staff

[cosmic anvil]

I always measure it by side lol if it's above 1 GB then it's gotta be big

[safe quarry]

That's not really condusive to how big it is tho

because of the file structure, you might have to redownload a whole package of old content just because the update added one small part to it

[grizzled apex]

Thats arguably the worst way to judge an update's size, since the game redownloads a lot of unchanged files froom archives when even a few files inside that archive have changed, massively inflating file sizes

[native carbon]

👋

[safe quarry]

that's why large file downloads don't just seem to get added onto the file size.

[late edge]

This is why sean needs to be fired

[mint lynx]

I remember worlds increased the switch file size by like 2gb now that was something

[safe quarry]

there, a better metric would be to compare the games total size before and after update.

2gb for switch is HUGE!

especially with how compressed i bet it is on switch.

[native carbon]

Tomorrow update

Potato

Themed

Leaked by a trusted source

[glass flare]

I measure an update's size by how many game systems got updated

[cosmic anvil]

Fired and replaced by whom? 😂 He's literally the founder

[native carbon]

Me

[glass flare]

one of the founders. he became the de facto CEO or whatever because no one else wanted to do it

[safe quarry]

Yes there are a few co founders i think

they were all EA employees

[eternal girder]

wasnt it just sean and one other guy

[glass flare]

i think it was 3 of em

[safe quarry]

and decided to go out for themselves rather than bleed for EA

Sean even released equity in his house to fund HG

[eternal girder]

smart bcs nms doesnt feel like an indie game and it kinda surprises me that it is

[safe quarry]

He said his house felt like 'EA blood money' hehe

[cosmic anvil]

He's the public face of the company (look at all the Sean emojis), replacing him might not do any real changes in the workflow

[native carbon]

Atlas mansion

[glass flare]

speaking of EA employees, it sounds like his old stomping ground Criterion studio is being turned into a Battlefield studio. no more racing games. (Sean worked on Burnout 3)

[glass flare]

he's still a coder though, he wrote the terrain engine in Worlds Pt 2

[late edge]

Iron man game got delayed because the studio went to help with battlefield 6

Now ea wants to turn that into an annual franchise

[cosmic anvil]

Ah then an internal power struggle is the last thing we want

[late edge]

And I guess I dont think sean should be fired. Just that phrase "wide as an ocean deep as a puddle." Triggers me now. I heard it so much regarding Skyrim long ago 😅

[graceful loom]

A puddle is not deep

[late edge]

Yes

[glass flare]

I think all sandbox games end up being wider than they are deep

[late edge]

Yeah, I get defensive about nms too. 😅

[cosmic anvil]

Yeahh but that's what it is right... Beacon was my first update and it felt like that

(coming from a player who started playing because NMS Steam rating changed to positive)

[eternal girder]

nms decade-long redemption arc is legendary

iirc they only got back to very positive fairly recently

[cosmic anvil]

Very recently, I think late 2024/early 2025

[late edge]

This game and cyberpunk has the biggest comebacks

[eternal girder]

yes

[cosmic anvil]

And I wouldn't say 'got back to positive' since it started with negative

[late edge]

I didnt even know nms was so hated back in 2016. I just bought the game played for a few weeks. Went online and saw all this drama lol

[eternal girder]

game was very very overhyped from what i understand

but theyve provided nearly a decade of free updates to redeem themselves

[misty pollen]

Cyberpunk's comeback was amazing. I didn't start playing NMS until fairly recently (last year?) so I didn't get to witness it going through similar.

[eternal girder]

iirc nms comeback was quite slow

[late edge]

A couple of years yeah, some people were coming around by atlas rises and I dont think the game was fully redeemed until the 2018 next update

[molten karma]

I've stuck with NMS since day 1 never dropped it or was disappointed tbh. However feature wise I was happy with Atlas Rises like if we could've just brought back Pathfinder variation in Atlas Rises I think I would've been good. But NEXT is the "true" comeback for most people but I'm gonna be honest what NEXT did to variety was so bad it was kind of eh for me for so long. I still I enjoyed NMS and being able to play with my fiance was great but I noticed my playtime dropped significantly and I'd only check in on emoji/update time. However that changed with Origins and my interest in the game has stood pretty consistent with the amount I've played. Frontiers and Waypoint burnt me out a bit but not enough to turn me away. However Worlds 1 and 2 have been amazing and kept me addicted now all I want is more colors.

[late edge]

I wish there were more multi color tree and grass colors like before. I watch pathfinder videos and see orange and blue grass or green and red. Orange and green trees etc

[grizzled apex]

Since the next CM's rollover dates are (probably) gonna be properly set after the update drops, I wonder if this next expedition will have optional milestones w/ a community mission tie-in?

[viral geyser]

Here’s my guess that’s very specific for no reason

No mans sky the first wave

New enemy faction
New poi’s
On foot combat overhaul
Cave improvements
Sound fx overhaul
Ray tracing (switch 2, pc, and current gen exclusive)
Creature improvements (please for the love of god)
Tutorial and campaign improvements

[safe quarry]

i dun think the switch 2 could handle ray tracing hehe

[eternal girder]

did the emojis for previous updates correspond strongly with that updates content?

[safe quarry]

I'm sure i read somewhere that its on a par with a ps4 pro.

[safe quarry]

recently its been a hint at the name

but in the past it has alluded to the content

[grizzled apex]

most of 24-25's emojis related to the name of the update, which doesn't always correlate strongly to the content ( 🥓 -> Beacon -> Settlements, for example)

[eternal girder]

hm

so it could be called wave

[late edge]

👀 = frontiers= settlements lol

[safe quarry]

i think the eyes was a hint to the overseer position

[eternal girder]

eyes are kinda like front ears

[safe quarry]

which goes to show sometimes the emoji is about the content rather than the name.

[eternal girder]

not really but kind of

[safe quarry]

👀 = overseer

[grizzled apex]

frontiers still kinda makes sense as a settlment update, since you're settling on a new frontier?

[eternal girder]

eyes are in front of ears = front ears = frontiers

[safe quarry]

and mouth is below nose, mouth = gobble nostrils.

[late edge]

My one issue with them is i wish they were more designed like Minecraft towns. That game you can come up on towns randomly and trade or rob houses and settlers

[ebon spoke]

The old grass colours are a particularly sad loss, imo. In Pathfinder and earlier the two grass colours were chosen independently, but as of Atlas Rises they're premade gradients (grass colour A always has the same gradient colour). I guess the plus side is that they always look good but they have a lot less variety.

[safe quarry]

This is exactly what Ayymang and i were discussing.

[humble kayak]

ive been speculating "Arrival"

or "Arrivals"

[eternal girder]

ooh

[safe quarry]

I miss the wild colour variations in the grass and the two tone.

[eternal girder]

arrival of void mother/abyss?

would be neat

[safe quarry]

I don't know why that can't be done and not cohesive with the current art style

[eternal girder]

expansion on that side of lore

[safe quarry]

even tho they're not gradiented, the LNF trailer shows that richly coloured ground clutter works.

[safe quarry]

I think this is the popular theory

[late edge]

I think with next especially they realized they went too far. Visions didnt take long to come out then origins less then a year later

[eternal girder]

neat

[humble kayak]

it also allows for the inclusion of the corvettes

[eternal girder]

next was like the first big upd right?

[safe quarry]

And that too

[humble kayak]

as stuff from other realities has come through with breaches

like the boundary failures

and the boundary herald

[safe quarry]

Atlas Rises was probably the first 'big' one tho back then no update was small

[eternal girder]

ah

[safe quarry]

but they were a lot further between

until Beyond, we were lucky if we got two updates in a year

was it living ships where they went smaller and more frequent? I can't remember if it was that one or exomech that started the trend.

I know the pilgrim was kind of added in a non-update.

[late edge]

Beyond was meant to be three smaller updates. But they were all so connected it made sense to release it as a giant one.

[safe quarry]

it wasn't added in a named update or anything, they just added it one day in an update.

Which kind of makes the pilgrim unique

[late edge]

The smaller updates started with abyss and one other after NEXT. Then they stopped. Beyond came out and it went back to the update every few months model

[safe quarry]

A lot of peeps think its too soon for the corvettes considering the what files got leaked

but the thing is we also don't know what files didn't get leaked

nothing to say that the few texture files were all they had for corvettes (in fact certainly not as those textures have to wrap on something)

[late edge]

True,

We still dont have those giant traveler statues @grizzled apex found

[safe quarry]

I still think these were a precursor to what eventually became the golem

[grizzled apex]

Still wonder what they wanted to do with the IronGiant originally

[safe quarry]

probably decided the traveller models weren't of a good enough quality, so made something bespoke

or rather the golem mechs made for a better candidate

so similar concept, different end execution.

Plus imagine the generation with half a torso

more cause for dodgy spawning.

so you either have to do a full body, in case players start excavating it

[late edge]

Is that why those giant golems are so rare?

[safe quarry]

or you go with a fully formed golem model scaled up.

[grizzled apex]

it is a full body. most of it is just buried underground

[safe quarry]

oh really?

what were the legs doing?

[grizzled apex]

weird standing pose

[safe quarry]

That makes me think it was just white boxing.

[grizzled apex]

i think i have a video of the full model

lemme just find it again

[safe quarry]

they had a traveller model, maybe started to add some texturing and ivy, then realised the idea was neat but the model wasn't fit for purpose.

[grizzled apex]

https://x.com/bomber_that/status/1819266131271487812

ThatBomberBoi (@bomber_that)

#NoMansSkySpoilers the full Iron Giant Model, less than half of which spawns above ground in the game right now. There are a few lights and some geometry hidden in the outer model, which might mean these could eventually be procedural, at least in part.

X · Aug 2, 2024, 6:57 AM

[safe quarry]

as a player model the tapology is probably more than you'd want too.

[grizzled apex]

It reuses a lot of the crashed freighter textures and effects actually

[safe quarry]

player models are generally the most greedy when it comes to polygons as you spend the whole game looking at them.

[safe quarry]

Definitely white boxing then.

[ebon spoke]

Yeah it's something they could have easily thrown together in like 20 minutes

[safe quarry]

probably take a traveller, throw some rustic textures on it, put it in game just to get a feel for how it would look.

Then decided it was a concept worth pursuing

but probably got pushed back to Relics because they were working on the stone golem model for that one, and it fit the bill.

[grizzled apex]

yea it doesnt really need a lot of artist input to put together. probably this

[safe quarry]

or, wild theory, the idea lead to the inclusion of the stone mechs in the first place? Realised they had to do a custom model, decided to do something that would skin the exomech and work for an enemy with the sentinel ai?

I think what we got is the best solution. the traveller statue could have introduced a lot of lore implications too that they didn't want to wrestle with. Altho i can think of a few off the top of my head.

I hope it has also encouraged them to add more really rare decorative POIs

because people were obsessed with finding those golems even tho they did nothing.

so more of the same would be fun.

like i said, can just take what they have, like the king skull from space

half plant it in a planet, big majestic POI for minimal effort.

[ebon spoke]

The Iron Giant was WP1, right? That update also had a really early version of the ruins biome in it. Might have just been because they didn't have the art style they would need for the golems nailed down yet so they went with a quick and easy placeholder

still, those aren't "Iron"

[safe quarry]

What i find interesting is the golem and ruins have a distinctly different aesthetic to the traditional ruins.

[safe quarry]

I think 'iron giant' is just the same as 'nostromo' a working title

going off the iron giant movie because it did look a bit like him.

especially with those eyes

So I think it's just an in-house name to make it easier to discuss internally and all be on the same page.

Makes me wonder if all the not so subtly star wars inspired space ships used their influences in the working files too hehe.

I mean the speeder ship didn't even try to hide the fact it was snow speeder inspired

[late edge]

The solar ships are naboo style as well

[safe quarry]

the most obvious one was the iron vulture i think.

they didn't even try to be subtle with that one hehe

Same cockpit, same side chamfers. Went with the VTOL thrusters to try and distinguish it a bit more and the flares at the back.

but aside from the spoiler, even the back chamfer is the same.

The UFO was a bit more of a subtle millenium falcon meanwhile.

I think the utopia speeder was the most distinct from its inspiration

[ebon spoke]

Utopia speeder is also like

a Sentinel interceptor, if you look closely at it

[safe quarry]

ooh and it wasn't too far before the interceptors either. wonder if it was an early mockup polished up? or what gave them the idea for the interceptors?

[late edge]

@ebon spoke I've been wondering because it still seems quite saturated.

What did atlas rises change from pathfinder color and artstyle wise?

[uncut harness]

Utopia speeder 11/10 in terms of looks, nothing else comes close for me

[safe quarry]

Atlas rises made the best change: bye bye pee filter.

[uncut harness]

I hope it be a twitch drop one day 🥺

[safe quarry]

I loved early NMS, but i hated the piss filter.

[late edge]

I noticed a lot of planets these days have a green filter lol

[uncut harness]

The piss filter was awesome, truly 80‘s sci fi cover stuff

[safe quarry]

I'll take green over the permanent pee filter!

yes it was to echo 60s cover sci fi books

[ebon spoke]

It was mostly the same, but they did add the first of those ugly 'realistic' biome variants, the desert and frozen ones were from Atlas Rises

[safe quarry]

problem is we always go off posted images of sci fi covers rather than the original art

so all these book covers have faded and all the whites have gone beige

[late edge]

Gotcha

[safe quarry]

which is why that creamy pee aesthetic is so synonymous with the art of that time

[native carbon]

Potatoes

[safe quarry]

its not actually how it was intended at print. but all we have now are the old prints.

[uncut harness]

The piss filter was a lil more „cozy“ and warm than the green one imo, i liked it quite bits

[lime birch]

Cannot wait for tomorrow. Dude, the feeling of reading patch notes is something truly special 😄

[safe quarry]

I think it's down to personal taste ❤️ i miss some of the old photo mode filters, and for a short time you could turn them on for gameplay!

[native carbon]

I still cannot believe u were right with 27th

[ebon spoke]

Funny thing is, the filter looks pretty good if you pair it with bright colours instead of the faded ones and dim lighting that they had in the release and Foundation builds, at least in my opinion

[native carbon]

Like do u see the future or smth?!

[ebon spoke]

its still on some planets today