nms-spoilers

[runic mesa]

We have cold storage now, so I'm searching for Atlantids and making more staffs because I have SPACE mwahaha

[humble kayak]

honestly theres furniture in the derelict freighter i'm surprised we dont have

like theres actual starship bunks

you can find

last i remember anyway

[ebon spoke]

Derelict freighters also have that fighter that is impossible to generate in the actual game, what's up with that?

[mint lynx]

I'm just waiting to see what the next big update will be, echoes anniversary is in 4 days, it's about that time for something actually good.

[humble kayak]

theres a fighter?

hold on im gonna google this

[safe quarry]

If you're talking about the bone cows, they ruined my paradise planet! it used to have a plethora of transluscent striders, but they'd diminished in place of boney bois :p

[runic mesa]

Oh, that one that shows up in the cargo hold sometimes?

[ebon spoke]

Before the airlock, it's crashed through the ceiling on the walkway part

[runic mesa]

Oohhhh

[humble kayak]

ah

[safe quarry]

I remember when Desolation came out, Sean said it was the start of a new direction for NMS. I am not sure in retrospect what he meant?

[sour fossil]

uhhhh you mean the white and green alpha nose fighter?

[mint lynx]

We already got the big winter update part 2 with worlds so whwre the summer update what are they hiding

[humble kayak]

sometimes I wish they weren't so vague

[sour fossil]

wait sorry I just read the later message

[ebon spoke]

Need to see if I can find a picture of it

[sour fossil]

there's a crashed ship there?

[runic mesa]

Where's part 4, Sean???

[sour fossil]

I think WP2 was part 4 of autophage arc

[runic mesa]

That still drives me nuts

[sour fossil]

Interceptor, Singularity, Echoes, WP2

[mint lynx]

It don't gotta be a worlds part 3 specifically lol
We're just behind schedule for a summer update no emoji yet even

[sour fossil]

Oh we talkin about Worlds updates, sorry

[runic mesa]

Logically, but I'm in denial. 😛

[humble kayak]

as a side note I'm very curious to see what the 1st person view in the corvettes will look like

better be some kind of millennium falcon ts

[mint lynx]

We already got that

[humble kayak]

yeah boundary herald

but you can't walk around in it

also whoever made the nostromo connection, yk the ship from Alien, about the corvettes

brilliant

they've sent me into a spiral of researching ship design and finding as many pictures of the nostramo as i can ifnd

find*

[mint lynx]

I imagine it would be more like starfield

[humble kayak]

in what way

[mint lynx]

How you can walk around the ship and the like

[humble kayak]

oh. yeah

really curious on how corvette generation will work, too

I'm sure they'll have a bunch of procgen parts the game pulls from

but how that'd mesh with interior design idk

[grizzled apex]

That'd be @ebon spoke

[ebon spoke]

derelict crashed ship looks like this:

[humble kayak]

reminds me of a V wing from star wars

[grizzled apex]

Either something like freighters with the hangar connecting to a building zone, or (less likely imo), leveraging their derelict tech to make proc gen interiors part of the overall outside mesh

[runic mesa]

That's actually slick

[humble kayak]

wait is that a fucking hot rod engine in front of the cockpit lmfao

[ebon spoke]

That cockpit and nose aren't compatible, those are technically three different wing configurations that it has at once

[mint lynx]

I have to admit even I'm starting to get update fever lol
We're past endurances anniversary and echoes is in 4 days

Where the update be staying at I'm tryna pull up

[ebon spoke]

It's missing the main thrusters, they didn't put them because the back of the ship isn't visible

[grizzled apex]

Iirc this wasn't the first crashed ship model used either right? They changed it to this one later in Desolation's update cycle?

[humble kayak]

now we know why it crashed lol

[cosmic anvil]

Yooo good morning!! So are we all over the update cope??

[humble kayak]

haha no

we're discussing it rn

[runic mesa]

We are not lol

[humble kayak]

well

[ebon spoke]

I think that's true, but I don't remember. Would need to see some footage or something to compare

[cosmic anvil]

We got news??

[mint lynx]

Nope 😆

[humble kayak]

okay I am trying to cope with not having news

idk about the others

oh

[runic mesa]

I'm waiting on two games to update, actually

[humble kayak]

mr bomberboi I've got a question

[grizzled apex]

There's sponsored ad campaigns running now, if you can glean anything off that

[humble kayak]

I looked back and saw your tweet initially showing the corvette textures and file names and stuff

along w/ the screentest

[mint lynx]

I can only assume it's another echoes sized dlc if there's not even an emoji yet were gunna miss the summer release window

[humble kayak]

That screentest looked to have text on it, and while someone in the comments said they decoded it, they used AI so I'm taking that with a grain of salt

Is it possible that text had meaning

or is it just gibberish

[runic mesa]

I think we are definitely only getting 3 expeditions this year.

[humble kayak]

we need to get a picture of sean

[grizzled apex]

I'm fairly certain that's just unicode symbol spam. I could make out a few hazard symbols and such, so I'm pretty sure it had no meaning

[humble kayak]

if he's got a beard we're in for a good update

or LNF news

or both

[cosmic anvil]

Bro has descended into stalking 😭😭

You're gonna beat the update outta Sean 😂

[humble kayak]

nah ive seen jokes in the community where you can tell if something big is coming by sean's beard because the guy very obviously hadnt shaved until after NMS got its first disc printed

I think thats where originally came from

ofc without the

googly eyes

[runic mesa]

Because it's likely the uploaded expedition won't start until September. And if it runs for about two months like normal... that takes us almost straight to redux season

[humble kayak]

[humble kayak]

mk

didnt think so but i wanted to double check

[ebon spoke]

Summer update's usually the last content update of the year anyway, right?

[analog breach]

Its from HG team pic from before release when NMS was "ready"

[grizzled apex]

Sometimes we get an october drop, although the main examples are Desolation, Emergence and the unnamed Halloween Update, so not a yearly given

[mint lynx]

No there's often a dlc after the summer dlc, see endurance and..... nvm lol

There is always a summer update though so what the hell

[runic mesa]

But I think I'm right. I don't do pacts, but like. I don't logically see how they'll squeeze another exped in between the upcoming one and the holidays.

[humble kayak]

yeah you probably shouldnt fw pacts

look at me

[safe quarry]

Yes usually one last smaller one, like Aquarius was for WP1 (ignoring the cursed as an expedition only)

[mint lynx]

Iduno why thry didn't drop a update for their anniversary I can only assume it was too bugy

[runic mesa]

On the brightside, we might get another remix

[safe quarry]

If the aim is 4 expeditions, because they want them seasonal, they do need to get this update out sharpish. I am still convinced it will drop when the community research ends.

[grizzled apex]

Unless the exped starts immediately and the update drops next week, or they forgo reduxes for replayable expeds, although both of those are massive ifs

[safe quarry]

Which in more upbeat news would mean an emoji this weekend ❤️ but I also said that about the anniversary, and ONL, and the first week of August... and the third...

[humble kayak]

well we dont have much of an option now lol

[safe quarry]

If 27th is right, that would mean an expedition only update is still doable for mid to late october

[humble kayak]

its either the 27th or some time in september

[runic mesa]

People have been claiming emoji weekend for the past three weekends. 😛

[safe quarry]

Guilty!

[humble kayak]

yeah couldnt...couldnt imagine who

👀

[ebon spoke]

If they only have three expeditions for the reduxes this year, they might include an older one too. Seems like they want to cycle old rewards back into the system now

[humble kayak]

not me or anything

[analog breach]

It will drop soon . Trust

[humble kayak]

why would you think that

[mint lynx]

We're in emoji season the summer updates drop July to August, emoji at the least and there's a exp loaded of course we claiming dmoji

[runic mesa]

That was my thought. Emergence, plz

[humble kayak]

yeah to be fair all the pointing signs failed at like

the most inopportune time possible lol

[grizzled apex]

We've had Beachhead and Cartographers reran recently right? Or was one of them Polestar? I remember they tweaked a few rewards for Polestar back when Beachad was recently reran, wonder if that one might be next?

[humble kayak]

"maybe itll be this"

it wasnt
"maybe it'll be this then"
it isn't
repeat

[safe quarry]

The only thing we can be sure of, is that we're not sure of anything.

[runic mesa]

Polestar, dressed as Beachhead, technically. 😛

[mint lynx]

Without the fire barrel reward

Blasphemy

[safe quarry]

The best decoration in the game.

[ebon spoke]

The upcoming week is always the most likely one for the update. I think that's how it works.

[mint lynx]

And we got robbed of it for what, a gold gek helmet

[runic mesa]

Cartographers remix didn't have the cave creeper either. whines

[safe quarry]

and I'm not even exaggerating

[humble kayak]

i havent looked in any other channels in weeks

which is funny because I'll vanish from here when the update launches so I can get through the content spoiler-free lol

[safe quarry]

Well the small victory is Professor Cynical's 'source' told him update end of July. So. that's something.

[runic mesa]

It's fun watching the sensationalist YouTubers get knocked down a peg, imo

[grizzled apex]

I was hoping it'd drop today because I can't play it for a day minimum if it drops next week, but I guess I'm gonna have to try to do it flying halfway across the world now 😅

[safe quarry]

The problem is they bury what they said in the hopes that most forget, and most do!

So they get to just keep repeating the same ploy over and over.

[ebon spoke]

what are the NMS youtubers on, lol?

[runic mesa]

Ho boy

[safe quarry]

Desperation.

A big dose of desperation

Its always the case around this time when news dries up

[grizzled apex]

with just how many nothingburger vids they put out in a week, its easy for them to bury big claims that failed to come to fruition

[safe quarry]

they get more sensational and you can almost feel the insanity creeping in

[sour fossil]

oh that is a reason to be angry alright

[safe quarry]

exactly this. Professor Cynical has even reworded the same claim gradually over time.

[runic mesa]

Remember them taking that Windows tweet from Sean waaay too seriously? "AI coming to NMS! Because Sean made a joke and it's clearly code!" Whut

[grizzled apex]

Side effect of building up your community around solely one game I suppose. You can see how badly his non-nms / LNF videos perform, so he's clinging to NMS quite desperately for his main view counts, despite trying to branch out

[safe quarry]

PC: "I've been told its a new game mode that will blew yer socks off."
PC weeks later: "I've been told its something that everyone's been asking fer. My guess is a new game mode."

[sour fossil]

clearly they should reach out to Craig

Craig knows everything best

[safe quarry]

I noticed him trying to branch out. He would have been better keeping a theme that would have resonated with his NMS audience.

like: if you love NMS, here are some NMS adjacent games which you might like.

And maybe not fishing vr

Because even if you love fishing games... watching someone else play a fishing game...

[grizzled apex]

Which is what a bunch of other NMS-associated YTbers like JasonPlays, Beeblembum etc have done fairly well

[safe quarry]

Exactly! I actually watch some X4 foundations and Star Citizen videos now, but mainly because i like to imagine what Corvettes would be like ❤️

[runic mesa]

It just seems like such a stressful, toxic way to make money. Pass.

[sour fossil]

seeing "NMS adjacent games" reminded me

[grizzled apex]

I think most of his branching out is just making videos on things he enjoys, which is great sure, but then leads to milking NMS dry for his main "content" draw

[runic mesa]

I'm fine doing warehouse work to pay my rent, thx

[safe quarry]

X4 seems to let you walk around your ships. I want ❤️

[sour fossil]

Wasn't there a time where HG got some popular Minecraft streamers / players to play NMS?

[analog breach]

On need to make money from views

[sour fossil]

I think that didn't go anywhere after the initial stream or something like that

[grizzled apex]

I know they've run ad campaigns before too, but I didn't know they reached out that far

[safe quarry]

That's true, I can't deny him what he loves I suppose. But then again its like the vlogs. If you enjoy something, maybe just be in the moment rather than making a video about it.

I get doing it for posterity, but that's what home videos are for ^.^ not public YT channels.

[late edge]

Its a bit sad to see NMS creators getting bored of the game though. Beeble moving to space engineers hurts a bit ngl lol

[runic mesa]

If I enjoy something, I engage in endless debates and discussions with strangers online about... wait

[safe quarry]

CobraTV getting lured by the shininess of Star Citizen was sad 💔

[grizzled apex]

I've been waiting on more news from Jumpship, seems like a fun time with friends if corvettes don't end up fulfilling a similar role

[safe quarry]

yush. and all the similar ones. Void... something? and wildgate?

[late edge]

He does try to come back to nms to be fair. But always quits lol

[sour fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtDgUPyjA3-jyZ2GecVXwq6_pSBNPfadM - group of popular MC players, 2 videos / game sessions

[safe quarry]

There seemed to be a lot of similar games that all came out at once, and all look great.

Jump ship... wildgate... what was the void one called >.<

[humble kayak]

that game looks great

[grizzled apex]

I think he's figured out his niche within the community pretty well and is avoiding spreading himself too thin within the creator space, which I honestly respect a lot

[humble kayak]

tho it rebranded

[sour fossil]

So yeah, the point I was trying to make is NMS is not popular enough to warrant any "NMS adjacent game" community to stick to

[humble kayak]

it isnt jumpship anymore

i dont think

[grizzled apex]

Makes the nms content we do get a lot more impactful

[safe quarry]

Hmm this is true.

[sour fossil]

Because of the differences of what each game is about

[mint lynx]

Nms cracked me up when they just stole subnatica from subnatica

[grizzled apex]

Oh yea, they renamed it to Jump Space or something because of a dispute I think?

[safe quarry]

oh yes it did change name because of a trademark issue

[humble kayak]

yeah

[late edge]

Beeblebum seems much more happy with space engineers which given that games focus on building i get. Hes one of my favorites so whatever time he spends on NMS I appreciate

[runic mesa]

Water worlds are "Subnautica, but if it didn't constantly give you anxiety"

[humble kayak]

its late here i gtg to bed

[grizzled apex]

Yea, it's carved a niche of mostly active players, and a large base of people who come back post update, engage with it, then go back to other games.

[sour fossil]

So certain content creators sticking just to NMS is kinda understandable

[late edge]

Survival bob and beeblebum do that.

They come back every few months when an update drops, play for a few weeks and back to the other game.

Its a good way to do things

[safe quarry]

Captain Steve mentioned Star Citizen recently.

So I think he might find his audience follows him there.

[analog breach]

First trailer is more simliar to LNF trailer, script wise imo.

[grizzled apex]

That's how it should work imo. If you've got ideas for content about the game that're unique and fun, go ahead! If you're running out of em and resorting to milking resolved threads, that's when the slop starts

[mint lynx]

I tried to come back for the summer update buts it's been delayed internally so I'm still freaking waiting 😆

[analog breach]

He tried it out some time ago i think.

[safe quarry]

Oh did he? I would be curious to see that :p

oh my word, i have just started that Captain Steve video about the videos. That is some tin foil hat territory!

If you were going to make any sort've connection, id go with the next update trailer. Since both that and LNF trailers start with the player underwater, coming up the beach and getting on something to fly away.

[late edge]

The elevators are bugged the end

[sour fossil]

So I guess LNF is Bionicle becuase it also starts like that

[safe quarry]

But even that is just HG using what works to show off the game.

hardly some big conspiracy theory!

Although @grizzled apex the later part of the video is probably you relevant!

Someone has also been collecting the NMS lore apparently to put online as a resource.

here we go, link was in the description: https://zenodo.org/records/16891665

[ebon spoke]

That's just following the beats of the original NMS trailer, something HG love doing

[safe quarry]

Exactly, I just think its a formula which works for showing the scope of the game. Going from underwater, seemlessly to land and then seemlessly to the air (then seemlessly to space for NMS.) is a very easy way to show the scope.

and a lot of NMS trailers follow that pattern.

[grizzled apex]

Oh interesting!

I've been working on my compendium recently again after getting burned out by HG's inconsistent LOC schemas too, so after I get all my current sources converted to something unified I could use myself, the actual webapp setup shouldn't be as much of a pain.

I've been toying around with styling it around the WT terminal, kinda outta nostalgia? Would be super neat to pull up "Tha Atlas' Logs" from a terminal thematically, if out universe is meant to be the same as the Atlas' home universe

[safe quarry]

This kind of sounds amazing! my UI fingers are tingling! That would be so good. And lets be honest, something like that HG would absolutely take notice of.

I do hope the new update resonates well with the community for HG's staff's sake. I can imagine the backlash to Beacons would have been quite demoralizing, and I remember when the bone emoji dropped, the NMS reddit didn't have the usual flurry of wild speculation threads that it usually did. I can't imagine HG's morale is at its highest rn.

[mint lynx]

That's easily explainable though
The update after worlds part 2 wasn't going to be as good as worlds part 2, and people already don't like settlements

[icy citrus]

Except everyone went out getting multiple settlements

[sour fossil]

I didn't

I can't really be a menace to multiple groups of people

[mint lynx]

Sure fomo and seeing what the update was about but we all know settlements aren't that Gucci may may

[cosmic anvil]

I don't think Beacon was bad to be backlashed against tho imo, the overall reception seems meh it's fine... But I guess it broke the game for @native carbon

[safe quarry]

I think it did more harm than good, but it sounds like reading what Martin said, its because adding the Switch 2 to the compiler kind of brought to the surface a lot of long standing bugs that had been hiding beneath the surface.

I am not a programmer, but the fact that completely unrelated things like the wraith tail got broken, makes me think NMS has probably quite a big of tech debt and spaghetti code.

[icy citrus]

9 years worth

[mint lynx]

You don't have to be a programmer to see all the unrelated stuff that breaks every update yeah it's a fair thing to visually notice

[safe quarry]

And this is where it might not be the most exciting thing, but a little TLC behind the scenes is going to be valuable for LNF's longevity, because its going to inherit all this. We don't want to be 20 years of tech debt down the road by the time LNF gets to here. Its why Bethesda games always come out with the same familiar bugs games later.

[icy citrus]

Well, it can't inherit things it doesn't do

So maybe the fantasy setting will go a long way towards that as well

[safe quarry]

The way it bakes textures for the building materials and things like that, it will inherit mind you, anything that's in the engine itself. Fortunately that particular bug got fixed but it sounds like it stumped them for a very long time!

That was the one I think that existed in the background, but the Switch 2 compiling brought to the forefront.

Again, not a programmer so I don't know the ins and outs of the why, but Martin makes a good attempt at explaining it.

[cosmic anvil]

As a programmer, I feel called out 😭

Also NMS was doing vibe coding in 2016??😂

[sour fossil]

No, they were doing their best

[native carbon]

I hate beacon tbh

It ruined a lot of stuff

[safe quarry]

Even the best teams accrue tech debt. And especially in an environment where you have separate teams working on separate updates in tandem, its inevitable. We can't have the frequency of updates we have without some.

[cosmic anvil]

True that but yeahh debt will accumulate.. Easier to fix a smaller problem than allow it to grow big

[grizzled apex]

Probably not important going off previous changelist # data which isnt consistent much, but HG updated the "expected" changelist number for whatever the next update will likely be from 148510 to 150227 a lil while back (which is the tiny build number in game iirc)

[inner frost]

Cw: ||atlantideum spoilers||

[safe quarry]

sooo at least implies they think its going to have a few more iterations of development? at least than they initially thought?

Or could this imply at some point they felt whatever it was would need more development?

I have to say, as someone who had the Opening Night Live in the background so could only hear it, I was surprised how almost every trailer sounded identical. Obnoxiously loud music track over the sounds of explosions and gunshots. I felt like I heard the same trailer on repeat!

[grizzled apex]

I haven't tracked the changes to the expected changelist before much (since it's really only trackable w/ an exped serverside) so I can't confirm much, but I'd guess it means HG has a new MVP build they'd be comfortable dropping now?

[grizzled apex]

Tbf, a lot of the games on the showcase fell into similar genres

There's supposed to be a future games show today too I believe, might have some variety there?

[safe quarry]

oh wait! this change was recent-ish?

[grizzled apex]

A few hours ago I believe. The last changelist was working fine till I left the house, came back and found the new one

[safe quarry]

It certainly sounded that way. Maybe that's just round to only AAA titles being able to pay for the big slots on the show, and those kind of companies being most risk averse?

I noticed Silksong didn't get a proper preview in the opening night live, just a nod because clearly Geoff knew it was an announcement which would actually resonate.

[grizzled apex]

Possibly, most of the big name studios presented were pre announced anyway too

[safe quarry]

oooh! movement!

[grizzled apex]

Is the show floor open for guests already? Someone's played the silksong demo already then. I saw someone take pictures of the main menu while the booth was getting set up yesterday

[safe quarry]

I probably think for all our hopes, as soon as you saw the 27th August pinned in there, we should have known that was most likely. I hope its this weekend, but they have left the community research at 100% in the past for a few days, so could even be the weekend after.

[safe quarry]

I don't know, i think so? I have stopped watching gamescom, only the opening night live hoping that LNF would be there. And it was the first thing Geoff mentioned, but a mention is all they really did for the show, and letting us know it would be on the show floor.

I guess he knew it was an announcement people would tweet to drum up some attention to the show.

[grizzled apex]

The reason it gets stuck at 100 before switching over at times is, again, because the community beats HG's expectations in those instances and HG don't update the rollover dates even though we've completed the CM

[safe quarry]

Ah I see.

[grizzled apex]

His clown getup pic was a good tease towards silksong too. He knows what he's doing haha

[grizzled apex]

I'm curious if their next game showcase happening today is in a similar vein to ONL, or do the games there need to be on the show floor?

[safe quarry]

I don't know, i didn't even know there was another showcase? I guess its one to run alongside the show floor for us who aren't there in person, kind of like how E3 would, so yes i guess its more to promo things on the show floor at this point?

[hard summit]

Yep. The train skating game was the best in the show for me just for originality

[safe quarry]

I remember reading the only part thats separate is the ONL, so from this point on it'll only be things already listed as having a booth I suppose.

[safe quarry]

hehe yes, I did actually tab for that one because it sounded like something fun was happening. Not what i expected to tab to!

It sounds like nintendo who are demoing Silksong really underestimated the appetite for it

Do we have any definitive list or idea who was approached by HG's marketing agency to do a promo video? I'd be curious to see who made the cut?

[grizzled apex]

Not unless they publish their videos. I've been trying to search since they all seem to tag their vids w/ #ad, but I don't think the other creators have released them yet, or gotten approval

[safe quarry]

If they ran an ad campaign last year around the same time, i guess it must just be an annual thing rather than any indication of anything. Still its interesting to see who HG thinks are positive content creators, or at least who their marketing agency thinks so.

[grizzled apex]

I can't recall if they did one recently or not, but there's a lotta ads for the 6th anniversary in 2022 with videos uploaded from 18-26th Aug w/ the unique referral links

[safe quarry]

I thought you mentioned before echoes too?

[grizzled apex]

I thought I remembered a sponsorship campaign there too, but I think I might've been confusing those with HG running actual ads themselves, which has happened a few times too

[safe quarry]

Ah okay. That would mean the last time was somewhere between Endurance and Waypoint I think.

[safe quarry]

What I am most curious about with corvettes atm is what the first person mode will look like. I think for scope and scale it would be great if it included the view of a bridge, but you also want functionality in being able to see where you are going with a generous viewport.

[gloomy isle]

I'm kind of wondering if it'll have a starfield/ millennium falcon style setup

[safe quarry]

How does that work? As in close to the viewport?

[hard summit]

I feel like Starfield-style ships are coming

[gloomy isle]

Where you have a cockpit you access via a corridor and you get in at the seat

[safe quarry]

I have not played starfield.

Ah yes. they probably will be this. especially if they're not too large

[hard summit]

Also there's a whole menu for making a custom ship with specific parts and geometry and whatnot

[safe quarry]

something like this though would be neat:

[gloomy isle]

Yeah, they kinda range from regular cockpits to bridges

[gloomy isle]

That would be cool tbf

[safe quarry]

oooh

its a shame all we have for corvettes is textures

i'm soo curious.

[safe quarry]

This kind of makes sense, to have a bridge but have the captains chair close to the visor for when you're in first person mode.

And if corvettes do end up being multi-crew, having different seating like that for the other players.

Also makes me think Corvettes probably really are far away

because there's so much to consider.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah it's pretty convenient, in first person the result is pretty similar to the view you get in an NMS cockpit

[analog breach]

I dont see need for corvettes or "driveable frigate" if there is no game loop mechanic tied to them.

[safe quarry]

This is another reason why we will probably get an update to space first.

[gloomy isle]

There'll defo be some sort of loop surrounding upgrading them, their capabilities etc

I'm also curious to see if Npcs can fly them

[safe quarry]

If they do, i hope we can board them. But that's because i've been listening to too much wildgate.

I am looking up starfield bridges now and it makes me hope there's a little bit of variety in the 'fixed' parts like bridges.

The challenge will be that they would need to have the cockpit/bridge tied to the exit

[grizzled apex]

If the corvettes are based on the Nostromo, the bridge would probably be similar, although likely a lot less cramped?

[safe quarry]

so you can't delete the exit in the buildable parts to trap your crew >:D

It'll probably be like our freighters where there's a straight shot from the hangar to the bridge, and then a buildable part off of that.

[analog breach]

I wpuld rather get moving npc freighters around the system

[safe quarry]

I'd love this too but i do wonder if this is a limitation of the engine that they are static?

Something that big in motion.

Even frigates just make a straight line with a basic hitbox.

and no collision for themselves.

[gloomy isle]

Yeah honestly they're so massive it's probably not viable. Corvettes as a middle ground between ships and freighters is probably the best solution

I do hope we can use the system scanner module, so we can just get up and scan the whole system like on a freighter

[grizzled apex]

If you replace the frigate model with a freighter, flybys still work (credit to @ebon spoke), so it's likely not that

[safe quarry]

I hadn't thought of this, but yes.

[safe quarry]

hmm i wonder why then.

[grizzled apex]

I think the main issue is just how big space is, and how little of it the player sees. Having freighters moving about anywhere apart from near the station doesn't make sense since no one would be looking at them for the most part

[safe quarry]

how intensive are they tho?

It could be that the older consoles can't handle it.

[gloomy isle]

@grizzled apex I've just remembered, I was meaning to ask about the new terrain. I'm not massively clued up on what goes on inside the terrain templates, but is there anything specific going on in there that allows for the much better variety in purple systems? Aside from it being new shapes etc

[safe quarry]

I feel the reason we got a nerf to the draw distance of the grass with WP1... or maybe it was 2? was to free up some scene budget for all the new stuff

[grizzled apex]

Not much I'd believe. I think I replaced a few AI starships with frieghters at some point and they worked well

[safe quarry]

Really curious about this then! I just always figured it was a limitation of calculating the hitbox of such a large object.

[grizzled apex]

The purple terrain still uses the old terrain system with templates. Now whether the terraingen function for purple systems has some sort of override for purple systems or not is hard to find

[runic mesa]

To be honest, I'm getting concerned about the original Xbox, performance wise, with newer ambitious stuff. Not just Switch. They've started having problems before.

[safe quarry]

I remember reading something once on why large objects in games with a moving hitbox are such a technical challenge.

all the calculations over a large surface area etc. Not my remit tho.

[safe quarry]

And this is the biggest no go to corvettes.

[runic mesa]

But there's already been a few updates where the Xbox got issues and the Switch was perfectly fine

[safe quarry]

Unless they are pulling off some real HG magic.

[grizzled apex]

Havok is pretty optimized imo, I don't think it struggles too much with that

[safe quarry]

That's good to hear.

[gloomy isle]

Aah okay that makes sense. I was wondering because I've been finding stuff every now and again which I haven't really seen repeated elsewhere, like obscenely jagged low lying terrain etc. And there's the stuff with mountains that get so tall collisions stop working lol

[safe quarry]

I'm always cynical about corvettes being feasible, so anything in its favour i'm happy with.

I wonder what you would call a space update.

I know @grizzled apex would get excited if they ever did a No Man's Sky: Tau.

[runic mesa]

New space encounters with more interaction?

[safe quarry]

Thats what I would like

and fixed POIs

I want to feel like i'm exploring space, rather than spawning things in space.

[runic mesa]

The ones we have are neat, but when you've seen one of each, you've seen it.

[gloomy isle]

My dream would be more boardable space POIs, as kinda a reintegration of the desolation content. You'd be able to find stuff on there, among which would be corvette materials, upgrades etc

[safe quarry]

Thing is a lot of those little decorations would make great POIs with functions

like the pirate listening post

could be a fixed point in space protected by pirates

[gloomy isle]

Imagine if there was stuff to find inside the Atlas beacons, Atlantid fragments etc

[safe quarry]

and disabling it disables pirate interdictions for an hour

[runic mesa]

Black holes being upgraded visually. Bigger, with atmospheric effects that feel like you're near a black hole.

[safe quarry]

like a sentinel pillar but for pirates.

[runic mesa]

Right now there's just portals in space. Whoo.

[safe quarry]

Like if they want to do asteroids, make it a pirate base embedded in an asteroid with a hangar we land in.

[safe quarry]

Imagine black holes in the sky over planets and those planets having the time dilation effect from the cursed.

[runic mesa]

Me likey

[safe quarry]

I just generally think things in the skybox over planets look so awe inspiring. I wish it happened more often organically.

[gloomy isle]

That could be really cool, for sure. I'd also like to see stuff like debris fields etc

[runic mesa]

I'm all for more weird alien aesthetics. I actually liked The Cursed because it felt so bizarre. The sound design was great.

[safe quarry]

I quite liked it too. the 'pop' sound when you shoot the squiddies was strangely satisfying.

The sound design in recent memory has been a bit absent, which makes me wonder whether those are more focused on LNF right now.

As I've said before the space stations are too eerily quiet.

[runic mesa]

Yeah, one expedition had a huge abysmal horror in the sky. That was cool. More of that.

[safe quarry]

tannoy overheard, the whirr of the big eyeball thing. just something.

[safe quarry]

Yes i loved the expeditions which started with something hung in the sky.

One had the jellyfish I think? And another had a destroyed freighter?

I want to say omega had the freighter?

and maybe cursed has the jelly?

[runic mesa]

Yeah, one had that cursed Adrift frigate in the sky, I think

So it can be done. They just need to implement it in planet generation somehow

[cosmic anvil]

No announcements, no merchants shouting... Transit hubs are quite loud... They could just go to London Euston, set up a mike and play that as the BGM

[grizzled apex]

They have a specific override in the expedition file itself to spawn those, btw

Iirc, it just reuses the space encounter system

[safe quarry]

This is what i mean. just some ambient chatter. they even have the audio files for gek, vykeen etc. Put some reverb on some lines and you have a tannoy.

[safe quarry]

If they did it like the flyby system, only much rarer, where they appear as you explore planets, that would be neat.

Altho that would also require synchronising the flyby with other players.

Because that's easier not to spot that you're not synchronised, but if one of you starts pointing out a big jelly the others can't see, that's more conspicuous.

I wonder if pirate dreadnaughts can even be played multiplayer?

I don't know if they're like sentinel capitals or space battles that are just invisible to other players.

[runic mesa]

Definitely want station chatter. Why ya'll so damn quiet

[safe quarry]

There's like the quietest rumble in the bowels and that's it.

[runic mesa]

Okay, back to work now. Later!

[mint lynx]

That was supposed to be in the game at launch starship raido chatter too

[safe quarry]

You're right, that was in some of the trailers!

I wonder if they took that out because it might get too obnoxious. but maybe only when you're in the proximity of a fleet would be fine?

[grizzled apex]

I've had problems with those for a while now. Tried to get my friend a dreadnought like 7x, everytime he says he can see the ship and battle, but the "cockpit" is in wildly different places when the battle ends for both of us, and he doesn't even get the buy prompt

[mint lynx]

I may only come back around updates season but I've been keeping up with the news since day one lol
I remember the infamous list

[grizzled apex]

1.0 had this iirc, or at least one of the first few patches

[safe quarry]

So is the whole dreadnaught in a different position for both of you then?

[ebon spoke]

This is s thing already! You hear chatter when you're near a freighter fleet

its quiet though

[safe quarry]

oh really?

[mint lynx]

It definitely wasn't in 1.0 it made the missing features list but there's a chance it was added then removed in patches

[safe quarry]

Definitely need to boost the audio then. I love little ambient sounds like that which make it feel lived in.

[grizzled apex]

Not entirely, the freighter's in the same location but his is always a lil bit behind the one I see

[ebon spoke]

There was a trailer that had chatter near trading posts, that never made it in. The freighter chatter was probably added in Foundation with the 'fleet' structure

[safe quarry]

Such an odd discrepency. Something to do with how you warp into the system?

[grizzled apex]

So when we board to claim the frieghter, his shop ends up flying through the hangar of mine

[safe quarry]

I don't know if everyone warps in to a slightly different coordinate?

and then the pirate dreadnaught spawns based off that?

To stop you warping into one another

[grizzled apex]

Maybe, the triggering warp's based on a single player's warp time, so if might not register the spawn event properly for others

[safe quarry]

This kind of thing is also another BIG hurdle for corvettes

or at least... if they're multicrew.

Discrepencies go from a nuisance to actually inhibiting gameplay.

I feel like even if you get them working reasonably well, there's a whoooole can of worms they open up with so many of NMS' systems.

[cosmic anvil]

Especially the Vy'keen... They definitely ain't quiet but why don't we hear them reverb lol

[safe quarry]

Altho... i can't wait for the funny bugs. like putting on the breaks when flying into atmos just to see my friends all go flying out towards the planet ^.^

[safe quarry]

I feel like it would be such a quick win too.

[cosmic anvil]

And Korvax space stations should be quiet because they're electronic life forms... That would give such a unique vibe to the race differences between the Space stations

[mint lynx]

The convergence is interesting as hell to me
Alot of korvax admit it's evil to
One encounter is a pirate encounter ones on a freighter

[safe quarry]

😮 i want this in NMS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4SQ49_7GgQ

[safe quarry]

ooh i like this idea. Definitely would help add more distinction to each race's stations.

they do have differences but they're so minor that you wouldn't notice. So anything to differentiate them would be nice.

[safe quarry]

ooh the game and all its dlc are on sale atm. I might get it to scratch my corvette itch while we have a long wait ahead of us.

The fact you can walk around on your ships is one of the things i want most from corvettes.

my space campervan ❤️

[native carbon]

27th is 100% the update day

Like heck i want to do a pact

[uncut harness]

Every summer update besides 1 has gotten their emoji by now
And the one that didn't have a small update in July

We're officially late
Let that sink in

[native carbon]

we are not too late

its never too late

[uncut harness]

True just late not very late

[hard summit]

Hard not to assume they're cooking something big

[native carbon]

27th is when community research ends, and its when we will get new ones via an update!!!1!

why? the rewards were literally leaked

also 27th is a wednesday

the stars aligned perfectly

[uncut harness]

Fingers crossed

I wonder why the update is seemingly delayed though
They uploaded the expedition in time for a anniversary release.

[mint lynx]

Aliens

[grizzled apex]

Its not the only long wait we've had b/w exped upload and release, and I think its pretty unjust to say something's delayed when we don't even have an emoji or any other solid evidence of a delay yet

Sure, we've been waiting a while, but who's to say that wasn't HG's plan from the start?

[muted ermine]

I just got to ask?

When you are sentinel ship hunting and find the siting robots they give. I bet codes… and also (the eighth: 1010100) so far be recording seven..

Do these clue to a portal or anything later in game?

[sour fossil]

Nope

Those are letters

[grizzled apex]

Just simple binary that translates to VOID MOTHER

It was a teaser for the Atlantid arc added back in the interceptor update

[muted ermine]

Ahh bummer… that would have been cool if they hid something in there

[zenith perch]

Frontiers didn't hit till september 2021 ish and that was considered a summer update.

Summer in the Northern Hemisphere does not end till September 21st I believe.

[zenith perch]

What are the rewards

[zenith perch]

Bone Broth?

oh no, cronus propaganda

Gods above I hope they make cronus more useful in future.

[grizzled apex]

He's got a standing mechanic rn which does nothing to my knowledge, so they'll probably tweak em a lil bit more

[analog breach]

He gives nanites already. Maybe he could give orders for specific foods for some rewards.

[gloomy isle]

I wonder if they'll ever nerf cooking

I'm sure they probably won't

But the buffs are still ludicrous lol

[analog breach]

Already did. Cronus used to give more nanites from foods.

It used to be quite good source of farming nanites.

[gloomy isle]

Aah makes sense. Is the perma jetpack boost still a thing

Wirh the ingestor

[analog breach]

Ingestor boosts where not nerfed . Yet.

[gloomy isle]

I'm not usually for nerfs with NMS but they are a bit much I think lol

[analog breach]

Interceptors could be nerfed. They should be damaged like the rest of ships . Im ok with the first one u get from mini quest where its clearly stated that someone tried to fix it.

[zenith perch]

I don't think NMS is a game that really tries to be balanced.

We all saw people losing their minds with waypoint when you couldn't equip 5 trillion s class modules on your ship

[gloomy isle]

Oh for sure. I only really feel iffy about how strong food is, because it means once you've cooked enough food in one go there's little reason to do it for ages lol

But yeah overall it doesn't need to be a balanced experience

[zenith perch]

As I've suggested before, make cronus a source of learning recipes.

[analog breach]

3 modules per tab so 6 in total. Not 5 trilion xd. Biggest hit took living ships making them noticeably "weaker" than rest ship types. Freighters also got nerfed that way bc u had 2x more fleet modules.

[gloomy isle]

Cronus and the saloons you can have in your settlements

[humble kayak]

Cooking With Cronus

[uncut harness]

Just a educated guess noted by the adjective seemingly

It's not the only long wait but it's against the recent average wait just like updates have come over the weekend last two years but sometimes Mondays before, the weekend is the new average

I've been right several times with no real evidence I've called the cursed, liquidators and the mass effect update lol

Expedition uploaded on the 28th, anniversary comes and goes with just stuffed animals , normally a emoji comes by now , it's very easy to guess internal delay

[humble kayak]

^

[runic mesa]

I mean, it could be as simple as "We've been super busy these last few years, how about a nice summer holiday before the last big one of the year."

These poor people do have lives

[grizzled apex]

in the end, we'll never know for sure, with how HG works

[uncut harness]

That would still be a form of internal delay

Employee vacations lol

[runic mesa]

Could be last minute bugs, could be LNF, could be "hey, let's have a break".

[uncut harness]

What's happening right now internal delay covers all 3 things you just listed lol

[native carbon]

27th

update

trust

[runic mesa]

I know HG likes to keep quiet. But I think they would tell us when they plan to stop NMS support.

[native carbon]

100% would tell us

[grizzled apex]

"Our Journey Concludes"

nice way to end it imo

[runic mesa]

Ooh, that's cozy

[native carbon]

sorry guys, we re leaving our game at this state for a couple of years cuz of LNF

[analog breach]

And atlas would be like . 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10...

[uncut harness]

27th sounds likely otherwise the window for another exp is sort

Short

[runic mesa]

Okay, that's disturbing tho lol

[native carbon]

its not

just becuse the month is ending doesnt mean we cannot get anything

[uncut harness]

Correct summer goes until the 22th of September

The window is closing not at the end of August though

[runic mesa]

It would depend on how long the loaded expedition runs for. If it's the usual 6-8 weeks, I don't think we'll get another one unless it's a super short run like The Cursed was.

[native carbon]

what r u guys talking about

[uncut harness]

Enough ships with these exps is all I gotta say lol
Unless it's a cool shuttle with shuttle customization being added

[runic mesa]

Shuttle fabrication + an exped with unique shuttle parts like the Iron Vulture had

[native carbon]

im 100% sure theres an expedition on 27th and im 100% sure its not gonna be short

[humble kayak]

that sounds like pact business

/j

[runic mesa]

My speculation is that we're only getting 3 expeditions again this year. No, I'm not making a pact.

[native carbon]

yeah but, whats wrong with this expedition that will most likely drop on 27th? what window? why will it be short? i dont get it

[humble kayak]

lol i dont blame you

[runic mesa]

By the way, you think the HG lurker reading these has popcorn and a bingo card they mark? 😛

[uncut harness]

I should make more pacts I'm right enough 😂
But I wouldn't want to do the pact if I lose

[native carbon]

guys 😭

[humble kayak]

man its gotta be so fun for them

[grizzled apex]

I wanna know how they react when we get the update name right from the emoji haha. Pretty sure they felt proud when someone got Fractal and Aquarius right

[humble kayak]

little do we know the HG lurker is sean himself

[runic mesa]

Timing. If the new expedition starts late August and say runs for the usual 2 months. That expedition will end late October. That's a VERY tight window to have a fourth expedition before the holiday redux.

[native carbon]

and whats wrong with 3 expeditions per year? didnt we had 3 back in the day?

[runic mesa]

So my guess is we're only getting 3.

Nothing wrong, it's just me guessing.

[native carbon]

ah i get it

[analog breach]

There was something about All travellers together witnesing lasts moments . Laughing , dying .

[native carbon]

yeaah 100% only 3 this year

[analog breach]

Or 3 + mixtape expedition

[grizzled apex]

still wanna have that drink w/ Apollo at the edge of oblivion

[runic mesa]

Lol I've been calling them remixes. I like mixtape better

[native carbon]

@grizzled apex bomber, are you also 100% sure update on 27th?

[grizzled apex]

they actually are called remixes internally (at least in the exped data file)

[runic mesa]

I would if they ever would do like, a super redux. Just straight up run all of them back to back.

That would be a fun thing to so before they close off support.

[grizzled apex]

if the don't change the next community mission start date from 2026 to something more sensible, then sure, it seems likely

[native carbon]

or a hear me out, expedition marathon, full year of reduxes, no updates cuz LNF but expedition 🤑

[runic mesa]

Lol jinx

[zenith perch]

21st iirc

There wil likely 1 more update this year before redux, I cannot see more than that happening.

[zenith perch]

Zycrom will be informed immediately if this happens, they love shuttles as we all know /s

what day is the 27th anyways

Wednesday nvm

If next week was an update we'd get emojis within the next 3 to 4 days

Wonder if I'll get my long awaited please try to make multiplayer more stable and expand it via like, guilds and whatnot update.

And some further tweaks to settlements, Beacon was nice but I'd like just a little more.

Mainly around NPC interactions so they feel like they exist to even a slight degree.

I think they'll push 10 years of NMS easily.

[zenith perch]

One of the many reasons they need a multiplayer stability update.

If they're aiming for MP in LNF it CANNOT be unstable like No Man's Sky's.

[ebon spoke]

I want to see more ships that have unique customization parts added as expedition rewards instead of totally bespoke ones. The Starborn Runner is cool, but like 30% of playerbase use it so it doesn't feel that special. The Iron Vulture also has wings from previously unused concept art, there's tons more of that they can pull from for that

[zenith perch]

Bing bong

Intercom announcement: eheu, eheu, eheu

[zenith perch]

Expedition fomo not being a thing and letting people play expeditions via the usage of quicksilver would be nice.

Not sure I see it happening but you never know with HG atp.

We still need a use for the Space Station Override prompt which remains still unused.

[humble kayak]

yk, and i hate to harp on corvettes and the update so much - i genuinely feel bad about it, but

assuming corvettes are coming this update, which is not guaranteed

I wonder if the ship reward will be very nostromo-esq

[zenith perch]

This + update fauna models, they're woefully outdated.

[humble kayak]

assuming it is a ship reward at the ed

end

[zenith perch]

Discovery, Wayfinder, Waybound, Skyforge, Starfarer

[ebon spoke]

could you imagine

corvette gets added but it's an expedition reward

[zenith perch]

Tbf the updates we've gotten from worlds part 1 onwards have been SUBSTANTIALLY larger in scope, at least, wp1 and wp2 were, compared to past updates.

[humble kayak]

honestly

[zenith perch]

I'd take less updates a year if they were more focused on overhauls, some additions and QoL. Relics was nice for this.

[humble kayak]

if they just were to gradually add more corvettes after

i wouldnt care that much

i'd just be damn sure i'd get the exped done lol

[zenith perch]

Trading changes are very likely in future given the barter feature exists in game and a mod exists for it where you can barter for things at trade terminals and iirc with npcs.

Corvettes to me sound like an entirely new frigate / ship type, rather than expedition exclusive.

Maybe an expedition unique version but overall idk about that one.

Yknow what WOULD be nice actually

Good grid snapping options so I can line up things perfectly on a grid.

[glass flare]

The main issue I have with fauna released the past few years is none of them are really procedural. They might swap colors and that's about it. It feels like HG gave up trying to make their original fauna creation system generate animals that didn't look derpy so they just gave up

[zenith perch]

That too

They just look so, old and like, playdoh ish?

Seemingly small additions like that, raindrops rolling down glass, etc etc would add a lot of atmosphere

Unsure how performance intensive it'd be but

[mint lynx]

Snow piles on trees with no issues

[zenith perch]

It's definitely notable the areas of the game that feel undercooked, and its a shame they didn't do this overhaul era stuff much, much sooner.

[mint lynx]

Dust storms are more dusty too

[zenith perch]

Probably not happening but imagine hitting a tree and the snow falls off

[mint lynx]

Just rip the switch and possibly mac with physics like that lol

[zenith perch]

Idk they're not annihilated by gas giants afaik and those are actual hell.

The engine update was not only for wp1 and 2 to exist. I think much bigger things will come.

[humble kayak]

thats what I'm assuming they are

but if they're the key point of the update, which, IDK what else would be, I imagine there'd be an exclusive corvette reward from the exped

[zenith perch]

Datamines exist for them but I'm not sure if they got much in depth

[humble kayak]

yeah they're barely even acknowledged

theres a few file names and a couple textures

[zenith perch]

I sincerely pray the next emoji is something like 🤑 or

[humble kayak]

also lets hope they still havent given up

they'll need the procgen fauna system for LNF

[zenith perch]

I was wrong, twice, this year

[humble kayak]

unless they intend on hand making enough species for an entire planet

which I doubt

[zenith perch]

I said they'll likely never do a settlement update or upgrade their engine

They updated it once for wp1 and iirc again in wp2 and gave a settlement update.

[humble kayak]

quick! keep being wrong!

[zenith perch]

Sean if you're listening please don't fix multiplayer, please don't let me own a space station, please don't add new fishing stuff, please don't add guilds, please don't make the exo-skiff have proper manual steering, PoI refresh, some retextured to look like they've been affected by planetary weather, please don't have planets with multiple weather patterns and not just planet wide storms

/s

[analog breach]

Ok

[uncut harness]

Space station owning is almost mandatory, many perfect systems have been ruined for me due to the space stations being super ugly inside, I need to be able to recolor those. Albeit that likely still wouldn't be an option even if we could own them...

[analog breach]

[humble kayak]

id laugh my ass off in the infinitely slim chance he sends out a tweet with just the caption

"ok"

[zenith perch]

Elite Dangerous getting system ownership before NMS makes me genuinely pray NMS gets it some day.

[humble kayak]

isnt it in the title that no one person can own the stars

[zenith perch]

There was some datamine that BomberBoi found where something called "ShipBase" and "FriendShipBase" exists

[late edge]

I think nms just plain hates me. I warp to a planet and before I even land a storm pops up.

[humble kayak]

ive been searching for IRL days for the right kind of planet

and MAN i cant find it

[analog breach]

Naming a system basicaly is system ownership

[zenith perch]

I got absurdly lucky and within the last few months found TWO chameleon planets.

Oh no I'm talking like full on affecting and running an economy, THAT level of ownership.

Abandoned stations are looking mighty underused when you think about it.

Space Station Overrides are also not used.

Next update could be called Horizon also tbf

Sounds very NMS ish

I got beacon 100% right

[analog breach]

Station override is past exp item ..i dont think it will ever get a function

[uncut harness]

Right, determining the economy type, wealth etc. Though they would have to limit this as then there'd be no point in looking for high economy systems and such. At the same time this causes the issue of peeps just ignoring T1 systems entirely and such.

[zenith perch]

Well tbf I said Beacons but

[zenith perch]

Well naturally this would be a large scale credit sink, something NMS lacks heavily.

[uncut harness]

Yeah that'd be a good point

[zenith perch]

A continuation from the ending of In Stellar Multitudes Void Mother dialogue would be nice

[uncut harness]

Maybe even have it consistently drain money

[zenith perch]

If they do a third quest related to that I wonder if it'll be part of a sentence

They Who Returned, In Stellar Multitudes

I'm really, REALLY praying they never do updates again where its expedition only.

Even if its just a smaller ish update like Relics, I'd take that over it.

[glass flare]

It doesn’t really look like they’re using the old procgen system for LNF. Like the squid in the water in the trailer, it’s just a squid. Nothing unique about it

[late edge]

If they do, they need a new system atleast, I always get excited for the emojis and I wake up in disappointment to see its just an expedition

[molten karma]

I swear I remember them saying around Leviathan I think that they wouldn't do emoji for expeditions but they still did anyways lol. I remember people being pretty disappointed with expedition emojis.

[mint lynx]

They aren't disappointed with the rewards alot of the time though lol

https://youtu.be/3VNNuU9KiYE?si=c32TLA7lxikPayAp
Did bro cook?

[ebon spoke]

"I have been told, by a reliable source, that we will see something new in game that we have never seen before" Yeah that's what an update is

[mint lynx]

Well to play devil's advocate not necessarily
Worlds part 1 and 2 bright back features resembling older features

Brought*

Liquidators brought back a flamethrower too if you want to count that

[cosmic anvil]

@native carbon might want to take backups this will be a nuclear strike on your save

[mint lynx]

https://youtu.be/N_9lAqQfljE?si=B8Yddd3cXh0mHq-q
Why does he have so much NMS content that's what I really want to know, it's Craig but on YouTube instead of fb

[late edge]

I hate this guy lol

[mint lynx]

He just got recommended to me like 15 mins ago never heard of him

[cosmic anvil]

@safe quarry warned us about this guy

[humble kayak]

ive seen one and only one of his videos

one where he was saying apparently LNF screenshots were leaked

the "screenshots" were AI made w/ the UI hastily photoshopped in

that told me all i needed to know

[mint lynx]

Wtf

That's crazy no one has lnf info rn
They learned from nms

[zenith perch]

Its C*nical , ofc not

[zenith perch]

Craig's info is helpful at least

Website format is eh but

[zenith perch]

If its the person I'm thinking of

[runic mesa]

Yeah, whatever my opinion of him personally, Craig's lore screenshots helped me out a lot.

I mainly used his site for Collected Stories stuff. As he has the most complete collection of those screenshots.

Am I the only one who wants chef and angler's guilds?

Kinda hoping standing with Cronus has a use later.

[ebon spoke]

Helpful when it's correct at least. His lore pages are useful too, if you can manage navigating the website to find them

[subtle gorge]

Grifter content lmao

[mint lynx]

What's a grifter

[humble kayak]

like a swindler, except (most of the time) not criminal

someone who is kind of deceptive for their own gain

[late edge]

Not cynical for this example but youtubers who make hate videos on every movie and game because it gets clicks.

[humble kayak]

yk to sort of move away from the update and corvette talk for a minute, because, let's face it, thats almost all of whats been discussed for at least a week

I hope we'll see more general furniture at a later date, not just "themed" stuff like what Relics + Beacons added

IDK how popular this is but dedicated furniture for bathrooms and/or kitchens (aside from the gold antique stuff) would be nice

[mint lynx]

A new chance to get an emoji is upon us happy Thursday

[molten karma]

We'll probably get an emoji anywhere from Friday through Sunday and if not it might be looking like September update.

[late edge]

If its September we riot

[molten karma]

Do that and it'll be late September. 🥹

Not only will it be late September we'll get a "surprise" drop this week and it'll literally just be a single bug fix for some obscure faecium bug.

[late edge]

September update i will make sure sean gets nothing but prawn curry for all his life

[safe quarry]

I am very interested to see if Professor Cynical has gotten a paid sponsorship from Hello Games to make a video. From posts I don't think he has. Ironic that the one person who says he has a legitimate source, may be the only one who isn't in correspondence with Hello Games!

[analog breach]

Source : my glass

[safe quarry]

I hate to say it, but I do think the reason Beacons felt 'low effort' because its the one update recently by design that they couldn't co-develop from LNF work. Which is not to say that's a bad approach, I absolutely think its a net-positive for both NMS and LNF that we all benefit from developments in the engine and content where we can.
But something about Beacons did feel very 'low hanging fruit' in its execution, and I think that's because they needed to do something to coincide with Switch 2. The settlements were a likely candidate, and the autophage settlements were an easy target because their whole salvaged aesthetic allowed them to reuse a lot of existing assets, reskinned. I mean their settlement hub is a scaled down version of the bottom of an archive, with the top half that I feel i've seen before too... maybe the front of a freighter?

This is all to say, I do think the next update is likely to go back onto the trend of it being co-opted content developed from LNF.

So as much as I would love to see POIs and things. I get the feeling we will see things that more loosely tie into their work on LNF, like new creatures and creature habits. or something like that.

WP2 brought a lot of 'real world' creatures that would sit right at home in a fantasy setting, with a few low effort 'only sci-fi' creatures like the geometric flying creatures, and the bioluminscent reskins of the striders.

and I can't remember if the walking buildings that @ebon spoke pointed out are them using shelved designs too, was WP2 too.

[ebon spoke]

I'm sure the the trend of people speculating that the update's features are actually HG "testing" stuff from LNF will continue, at the very least

[mint lynx]

I could complain for a hour and point out the flaws of the settlement system
Including new flaws from beacons

I understand nms isn't about just exploring anymore but man settlements are mid

[safe quarry]

Yes I'm not sure i would go as far as it being them 'testing' but certainly sharing. I mean it is incredibly generous for example to give us the new water physics here and now! most companies would have completely locked that off to their new product, and made the people on the old game make do with the original water.

and there probably is a little bit of crowd sourced QA going on with some mechanics, but I don't think they're deliberately risking NMS' just to test LNF features.

Like the fishing i am 100% certain is lifted from light no fire.

but I doubt that mechanic needed testing for performance in NMS!

[cosmic anvil]

Agreed, there's simply nothing to do once the settlement reaches S class and the outputs are so basic... When they mentioned a complete overhaul in trailer, I expected much more than this, I expected cities

[safe quarry]

The only thing we won't see come over is USPs. so no flying dragons!

[mint lynx]

Well settlements get big enough to be considered town's to be fair

[safe quarry]

Probably no multi-biome planets either, as thats another of LNF's unique draws.

I wouldn't mind a sub-biome approach to NMS' planets tho! I have seen mods do a wonderful job of this.

[mint lynx]

There is minor biome action going on on some planets

[safe quarry]

Yes especially on the purple planets, but it seems to be because of the terrain. I notice there's some that have a lot of rocky terrain with the grass interspersed that kind of makes these like oasis.

And when I explore those i realise how big of a difference sub-biomes would make to other planet types. Means the whole planet isn't homogenous.

That's the only reason for the whole criticism of '10 minutes after you've landed, you've seen everything a planet has to see.'

I've always liked how terrain is levelled out towards oceans, because that makes for kind of sub-biomes, with the really tall mountains inland. Just want a bit of that kind of logic applied to the distribution of the flora.

I will say too, the jungle planets make me SO excited for how thick and rich the forests and jungles might feel in LNF!

[mint lynx]

Jungle planets are awesome no arguments here, admittedly I preferred old water but it's fine really

[safe quarry]

really? Do you mean under the water or the water's surface? Because I absolutely couldn't go back to the old flat water, but I get what you mean if you mean the murkiness underwater.

I almost feel like they need to drop the level of where the murkiness begins, so we still get those crystal clear mediterranean style shallows.

[mint lynx]

I meant it's too clear now, and beacons making white whiter didn't help but I also don't really mind how water is on switch

[safe quarry]

I heard from @runic mesa that the water is very different on switch? Sounds even moreso because its less clear than it ever was on other platforms?

[mint lynx]

It's like assassins creed 3 on switch, it's sorta the best of both worlds

Old and new tech

[safe quarry]

I haven't seen any switch gameplay. I will have to give it a look to see!

I feel Switch 1 players got short changed for a bit now tho, which is why I don't think Corvettes are next. I think it'll be something re-appropriated from LNF that we can all enjoy.

[mint lynx]

I like the switch one version alot I'm not even gunna lie, no settlements, no online, I see it ad an absolute win

[safe quarry]

I think if settlements were meant to be this thing you visit on your travels to re-stock and grab a drink, i'd be much happier. But i've talked about this before.

Think like stopping off at the cantina in tatooine while your ship refuels and you restock on supplies before going on your way. I wish settlements were like that. Not something you took over and ran.

[analog breach]

Imo corvettes are distant future. We found whole models of New stations and yet we waited a year for them

[safe quarry]

This too

Tho my small cope with that, is while we had station exteriors

we didn't have the interiors.

[ebon spoke]

The difference is just how much they accidentally added

most things get added with us seeing nothing in advance

[safe quarry]

The space station leak must have been their biggest leak.

And they were fully formed if i recall. I don't think they changed much from that point (externally) those were the finished article?

[sour fossil]

Imo the article detailing contents of Echoes was a bigger deal

Space stations models are just 1 feature

[safe quarry]

See i totally missed the echoes leak

I think i saw some pixellated picks of the autophage

[sour fossil]

Article talked about the new race, staves and pirate freighters

[safe quarry]

but i missed the proper leak. What was it? like an article?

jeez

How far in advance did it come out?

days, weeks?

[sour fossil]

Couple days if memory serves right

[analog breach]

I remember Staves where mined sometime before release

[safe quarry]

i wish they had a dedicated walk button on pc/keyboard ;-;

[sour fossil]

Autophage models were datamined for sure

[grizzled apex]

There was a staff as part of an early Autophage model in Singularity's files, but we didn't know they'd be MTs back then

[safe quarry]

I also wish they would port over the run animation for staves that we saw in LNF. we run funny with the staves.

(we also shoot them like they're a gun.)

[sour fossil]

HG just reused rifle animations

With some specific offsets

[safe quarry]

mhm you can tell when our back hand is holding thin air.

I would also love if for LNF they added some interstitial animations for a bit of easing.

I think they probably will.

Just for when we break into a run, a bit of an axis lean when we come to a halt, that kind of thing.

'juicy' animation i like to call it ^.^ adds a subtle sense of inertia.

The dragons for Sure will need that so they don't just feel like reskinned spaceships.

[grizzled apex]

tbh, they look very clearly like reskinned starships in the trailer. Really hope HG can make em more distinct

maybe let em move around when landed and follow you

oh hey, Sean's tweeting

[sour fossil]

What

[safe quarry]

100% I do think what we saw of LNF is early days, if you look at the forests for a lot of the shots they are nothing compared to what we already have now after WP1/2, and of course it had the old-ish water too, or at least a very early version of the new water shaders without the physics yet.

[grizzled apex]

just reddit posts rn

[safe quarry]

oil painting mode confirmed!

[grizzled apex]

Its been 2 years since our last update, so it'll likely look vastly different once we do get a new trailer

[grizzled apex]

can't wait for 27 new videos from "content" creators analyzing this!!1!

[safe quarry]

I hope we can use the dragons as land mounts too, even if they just waddle slower than a proper ground mount.

and yes, follow us like a companion does!

I want the cute chubby dragon in the trailer.

I don't play WoW, but i saw a few years ago they updated their flying model. I can't remember if it was before or after LNF trailer, but I am certain HG will be taking notes.

[safe quarry]

after the watch emoji, I wouldn't put it past them!

[analog breach]

Placeholder item was a spear of sorts i think

[safe quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbj_9LSY_Co&list=RDrbj_9LSY_Co&start_radio=1

[cosmic anvil]

we got emoji??

[safe quarry]

no no no no no

Sean just retweeted an oil painting someone did ❤️

[cosmic anvil]

aww that is cute

[safe quarry]

Now if he stays fairly active in his tweeting, that might be a good sign for an emoji at the weekend, but no. RN its just him showing that his community is a nice one!

[cosmic anvil]

glad to see artists respected in the age of AI slop

[grizzled apex]

with how trigger-happy we seem to be for news rn, I think you'll know when it drops 😅

[native carbon]

I was the reliable source, its the skibedi collab i suggested a long time ago (sorry for spoiling)

[analog breach]

If we get any s*$@@bidy thing i will vote to kick u from server 😆

[native carbon]

Sean told me we are getting it 100%
(Im reliable source)

[analog breach]

Was nice knowing u then

[native carbon]

Sorry

[safe quarry]

How distruptive would a fauna overhaul be i wonder? We have a lot of 'extinct' species already. Would an absolute overhaul completely ruin the discovery system?

And by that I mean if they did more than just update outdated models. Like if they changed their spawn from things like 'northern hemisphere' to more specific things like 'coastal' or 'inland'.

I'm just thinking that creatures will be an integral part of LNF, because they'll be our food source, so there'll be more of an emphasis on them and their habits.

'nocturnal' could mean more than just them spawning at night, but rather being there in the day but sleeping.

((side note OMG that would make the flavour text for creatures far more valuable in LNF. because if you want to hunt a particular animal you would have to actually learn its habits/triggers for spawning it.))

'builds burrows' 'sleeps in caves' 'hunts on plains' 'travels in herds.'

Would go back to what @ebon spoke said about emergent gameplay. Systems upon systems like that put less emphasis on fixed content and more on lots of independent systems working together to create emergent moments.

[analog breach]

Already got my fauna records viped twice bc of HG fauna rerolling

Which makes the wonders records useless imo if they will be wiped anyways.

[safe quarry]

Oh, Gamescom isn't over until Sunday. 💔 makes an emoji this weekend less likely. Not impossible as Echoes dropped right in the middle of Gamescom.

[analog breach]

It will probably drop around late evening anyways.

So i will probably wake up and see total mayhem in #no-mans-sky 😂

[native carbon]

Wjat does gamescom have to do with emoji

I mean u told me previously that theres no HG in it

Im confused

???

[safe quarry]

oh nothing really. I just wondered whether they would avoid doing anything when there's a lot of noise and traffic in the gaming industry, in case they get lost in the crowd.

But I just meant that Echoes releasing during Gamescom shows that its not something they are really worried about.

[native carbon]

Ah okay, my bad

[safe quarry]

no no, that's on me for not clarifying what I meant ^.^

[native carbon]

Yeah.... (i just want to win my pact man 😭 )

[safe quarry]

what is your pact?

[native carbon]

Update on 27th

Im done or im winning

[safe quarry]

hehe i mean at this point its anyone's guess. I thought 27th because i was sure the community research used to be a good indicator of them updating the game, but apparently not these days! plus there are decals ready in the files to flip over to on the 27th.

[native carbon]

what

Oh no

Yeah gg's

@safe quarry prepare a grave for me 😔

[frigid valley]

[safe quarry]

🫡

When we get a poop emoji the weekend after, it won't have been in vain.

Hey Sean, or Sean adjacent HG staff member secretly lurking! If you could drop the emoji on friday so we can all get on with our weekend rather than checking in periodically to see if something has happened, that would be great ❤️ Also gives the more dedicated people a weekend to wildly speculate, so win win!

If the message has been received, please have Sean post another screenshot loving tweet around UK lunchtime ❤️ k thanks.

[molten karma]

Sean is laughing at our suffering.

[sour fossil]

have y'all considered that you might be a tad overreacting over the update?

For me it seems like some folks here really try to push the limits of imagination of what HG can do and Im afraid when the actual update drops you'll be disappointed if not frustrated

Just play the game (or any other game really) to pass the time, when the update launches enjoy the new shit for free for another year

[rancid flax]

nah theres too much fun in absurd levels of speculation

[native carbon]

I dont care about the content i just want em to fix the game (games buggy to the point where i do not enjoy playing it)

Also why stop when this is fun

Nobodys actually crying here

Only laughing while inhaling copium

[sour fossil]

ah yes, fun, asking to "prepare a grave" is clearly an indicative of having fun

[native carbon]

Its a joke of me losing a pact, pacts are harmless

And its not like i gonna die

I just gonna have a most likeky cringy nickname for a month

Which i can survive

[gloomy isle]

People are just having fun

I overspeculate on 99% of updates but it's not like I end up disappointed or anything

[safe quarry]

Yes ❤️ its just fun speculation to offset the drudgery of work hours! ❤️

[native carbon]

Yup, nothing more. Ima not be upset if no emoji on 27th, its just a game

[rancid flax]

i wouldnt say any of the updates have been disappointing either. except some might say expedition only updates are underwhelming

and maybe waypoint since it get the 4.0 treatment and hg was backed into a corner

[native carbon]

All of the updates are free, i hated the cursed on first, but it really grown on me

[rancid flax]

free is good

ya as long as an update doesnt do something to harm the game its still a win

[native carbon]

Beacon......

[rancid flax]

what about it?

[native carbon]

It made the game buggy

[rancid flax]

i literally experienced none of that :/

[native carbon]

I guess u dont walk around water in NMS

[rancid flax]

???

[sour fossil]

flickering objects underwater

Yeah Beacon was buggy, can't really deny that

[native carbon]

Here. I hate it, i hate it, i hate it

[safe quarry]

The low res textures for base walls ;-;

[rancid flax]

i remember a black void eating up everything around one of the worlds updates that lasted for months

but that was a newer amd gpu bug

[safe quarry]

I love building my cosy homes the most, and so those low res walls on pc really hurt me 💔

[sour fossil]

But with HG focusing on new platform release its kinda understandable

[gloomy isle]

The only thing I really draw the line at personally is big performance issues

[native carbon]

Yup, but my issue is theres no patch for almost a month, while the game is in not-so-good state

[gloomy isle]

It's why I don't play on series x anymore

[native carbon]

@rancid flax

[rancid flax]

is this still an active bug in the game?

because ive not been getting it

[sour fossil]

I understand, if I were to guess I think HG deems those issues not critical

[native carbon]

Yes

[sour fossil]

Ex. they launched 5.75 with just 2 or 3 fixes, one of them was related to crashing on PS5

So issues that prevent people from actually playing are patched ASAP

[native carbon]

U r telling me, wraith's tail was critical, while a glitch that makes the underwater world look like vomit not?

[safe quarry]

Not to be pessimistic, but the flickering water I would say effected more peeps than the broken tail of the wraith ship.

[gloomy isle]

It's unfortunate but it's also just a side effect of ongoing development like NMS has, especially when you have limited team size. It'll get fixed though I'm sure

[safe quarry]

hehe we went to the same place with that.

[sour fossil]

I dont claim Wraith fix was critical

But it might have been of higher priority becasue of the "new and cool" factor

[native carbon]

Ngl tfue

True*

[safe quarry]

I'm sure it'll get fixed ❤️ I thought the small patch meant they were rolling future fixes into the next update. and that may still be the case, since the expedition went up shortly after the last experimental went public.

[sour fossil]

Again, we have no insight into HGs processes for the game, we can just guess

[native carbon]

But yeah i want an update asap, not for new and shiny content, but for fixes.

[sour fossil]

And use the anger to either cyberbully them with bug reports / suggestions

[native carbon]

I never cyber bullied HG via bug report 😔

[sour fossil]

Or to learn modding and try to fix shit ourselves and have the moral highground

Totally not self inserting here

[gloomy isle]

Also there's an argument to be made that the bug won't be as noticeable on all planets either. Not saying it makes it better, but you need water of a specific depth to have it look really bad. It's not going to show up much on oceanic planets for example

[sour fossil]

I did, pretty sure they have my mail blacklisted lol

[safe quarry]

No I have never sent one either. I figure if i see the issue, they probably have a few hundred bug reports already for the exact same issue

no need to scream into the void.

[native carbon]

Not rlly

[rancid flax]

ok yeah that looks pretty bad

[gloomy isle]

That's what I mean, it's way worse in shallow water

[safe quarry]

I'm actually super curious if this is because of the new occlusion?

[gloomy isle]

Not saying it's not bad but yeah

[rancid flax]

not sure why im not affected

[gloomy isle]

What's your platform?

[grizzled apex]

Tbf, I think that sorta mentality's very common in community, which could drive fix priority down if people aren't actively reporting less "critical" bugs

[rancid flax]

steam

[safe quarry]

True but i am sure with a team like HG they probably already have their finger on the pulse of the community. Sean clearly looks at reddit ^.^

then again I reckon the BIG bug i found with expeditions i probably do need to report

[rancid flax]

got a gog copy too

[safe quarry]

because i don't think anyone has mentioned it, and its an edge case enough that it will not get picked up

until it hits people bad.

[sour fossil]

have finger on the pulse of community

No, I think they are just reactive to bigger issues

[safe quarry]

I can kind of recreate it too, i am just not exactly sure of the criteria to cause it

[sour fossil]

And lets be honest, retweeting an artwork or article a day isn't much effort either

[icy citrus]

If you aren't careful, you will turn into Leon

Or Otay

[sour fossil]

uhhhhh

[icy citrus]

Can you say bitter? They can

[sour fossil]

hold on, let me put my "requires context" hat

[grizzled apex]

That's fair, but it doesn't really hurt to throw more reports out. They've probably got a good sorting system for reports internally, so even if your reports about a known issue, it'll help bump it up internally.

[safe quarry]

like i temporarily lost my 500 hour save to it, and that's only because i backed it up that i rescued it

[sour fossil]

there points to the hat

[rancid flax]

oof yeah i lost 700 hours when i enabled cloud saves

my backups were so old i just started over

[grizzled apex]

Hah, I remember when WPII launched and having a GcDebugOptions mod would reset your save and throw every other modded user on the same planet. Really freaked me out

[sour fossil]

oooof, that reminds me

YES THAT

[gloomy isle]

With live services (which NMS effectively is), new content is always going to be prioritised over a visual bug. Their income is dependent on stuff like that so they do have to maintain a pace, and they're clearly either polishing something or making something quite big.

[sour fossil]

goodbye 1000h+ main save

[safe quarry]

This wasn't even that. So I had run the expedition (titan) and I wanted to play through it with a friend of mine. So I joined their save and the first odd thing is that it didn't then ask me what save to use, it just started the game as usual. 'okay' i thought, it is just starting a new game so i can join to my friend, no biggie. I played all evening. Next day I go to my saves, and see it had not only created a new save, it had overwritten the top save to do it (my 500 hours save.) inspite of me having empty save slots.

[rancid flax]

OUCH

[safe quarry]

I was able to repeat it again on relics, as a test.

basically on joining someone's expedition save, it just seems to overwrite what i think is the top save slot? Its hard to tell without trying it properly again, but i would need another expedition to do it.

And that time i hadn't run relics on my main save yet, so it wasn't that. It just literally assumed to join me to an expedition save, it would create a new save, and rather than adding it to a new save slot, it opted to take the first slot.

Not a big deal for most expeditions as I reckon most people play them solo, but if in a hypothetical world we get an expedition that encourages coop as an option (like say a corvette related expedition!) more people might bump into this issue.

[rancid flax]

we dont really know anything of the corvette yet though do we?

or what it even is exactly?

or that it even will be a thing?

[safe quarry]

Oh! another factor: For the next few days I kept the broken save (knowing i had the 500 hour backup ready to flip to) but each time i joined her game, it skipped the save option as usual, but knew to take the top save which was my expedition in progress save.

[safe quarry]

All correct! Just a hypothetical situation.

[rancid flax]

ah ok

was freaking out like i missed some info lol

[safe quarry]

nope nope, was just using it as an example of where the bug might become a mainstream issue if they ever do an expedition that encourages coop play.

[rancid flax]

also i do wonder if anything will come of the portable base prototyping that thatbomberboi found

[gloomy isle]

Iirc that seems to be tied to corvettes

[rancid flax]

or at least showed off. im not sure who really discovered it

[gloomy isle]

The idea seems to be that we can build in them etc

[safe quarry]

Yes the theory is it might be tied to the corvette being flyable and also having a base building component.

[rancid flax]

corvette could be an expedition freighter

which is something we havent had before

idk im just throwing out ideas

silence game dev, ideas guy is talking

[safe quarry]

I mean rn anything is fair speculation when it comes to corvettes!

[sour fossil]

I'd guess it's something akin to a frigate, but one where we can pilot it and build within it

[safe quarry]

Me too.

[sour fossil]

So a step smaller than a full fledged freighter base

[safe quarry]

I would actually love a cosy mobile base like that.

Just a few grid spaces large building space

[sour fossil]

yeah gotta put 58 flaming barrels somewhere

[safe quarry]

exactly!

The fact it has a hangar in fact makes me think its larger even then I hope it'll be.

[sour fossil]

Maybe it could be the "multi crew ship" people have been asking about

[safe quarry]

This is where my mind goes, but then I get carried away

[sour fossil]

So a bigger ship designed to carry whole team + some form of base for joint exploration

But featuring worse flight model than our starships because well it's big

[safe quarry]

Because gangways you can stand on and getting to see the planet whizz by while someone else flies it would absolutely make NMS for me ❤️

[gloomy isle]

My hope is that we can keep the freighter scanning room on it too

Would be big QOL to be able to do that in your ship

[safe quarry]

I even started to add copium to how it would 'land' because it would be too large to do so

but you could do all sorts of work arounds, like have designated POI landing points, or have it 'land' above the planet with a teleport down to planet proper.

Kind of like the trekkies like with their teleporter thingy

[sour fossil]

personally I would keep the scanner as freighter exclusive

[safe quarry]

and a 'beam me up' quick menu option

[sour fossil]

We're already taking away some features from freighters, like the exocraft summoner for exosuit

[safe quarry]

Or a big skybeam style thing appearing under the ship that you would into to get 'zapped up'

[sour fossil]

well we do have teleporters in game, like the ones on derelict freighters

So maybe HG could reuse those, have the corvette "park" by hovering over a planet

[safe quarry]

yup! Would only have to work similar to a short range teleporter

[sour fossil]

And just deploying a teleporter pad on the surface

[analog breach]

The corvette could have other types of scanners. Hotspots, fauna , flora

[safe quarry]

Otherwise there's no way with how stubborn ships can be to land, that we'd ever land anything larger

you all remember the UFO trying to land pre-patch

It would be neat if the corvette had other seats for sub functions for other players to take on

ones that NPCs could do for SP (but i'm repeating myself over and over now!)

[grizzled apex]

Hangar might indicate you deploying out of the corvette in your starship to properly land? Otherwise it'd be kinda half-used if it's just for getting into the corvette from space

[safe quarry]

Man the turrets, etc

[safe quarry]

Yes I almost feel this lends to it being multicrew

or at the very least something you summon in same as the freighter

[native carbon]

🐟

[safe quarry]

something you can dock on.

once you summon it

[grizzled apex]

Oh yea jump ship got a release date yesterday didn't it?

[safe quarry]

oh did it? I must nosey videos to feed my corvette overhype!

I think corvettes would have to fly slow to disguise the latency between players

[grizzled apex]

Yea it ended off yesterday's Gamescom event I believe

[late edge]

September 19th I think

[safe quarry]

oooh

[grizzled apex]

How would pulsing work then? And if it can't pulse, what would you really use it for?

[safe quarry]

Oh it should still have the pulse, but they could synchronise that better.

but the latency is my biggest worry for corvettes being viable.

Because we are talking like 1-3 second delay.

If you've ever tried to use the sphere object, its tied to whoever summons it

and it makes any serious sporty games impossible. so we invented scatterball, which can never be taken seriously!

ball + scattergun + arena with a roof!

[grizzled apex]

Another synthesis style QOL / Optimization update is long, long overdue, but we'll likely never get it since those don't really drive sales often

[safe quarry]

I do think they will need to synchronise better between players for LNF tho. So maybe NMS will get to benefit from that second hand?

[late edge]

A lot of the QOL updates get flack for being "boring" I think

[grizzled apex]

Issue is, LNF was likely built with netcode in mind, so it'll be much better optimized for it on launch

[safe quarry]

That's true.

[icy citrus]

A lot of the QOL updates get flack for being "boring" I think
FTFY

[safe quarry]

Although some of the worst offenders for unsynchronised content came post next.

[grizzled apex]

NMS was always created an an SP first experience, so unless they do a full game rewrite, it'll likely never reach the same consistency as Lnf

[icy citrus]

Gamers be gamering

[grizzled apex]

This channel's message history's probably the biggest testament to that

[safe quarry]

But i guess that's because the underlying functions of NMS were never meant for MP

[late edge]

Yep 😅

[safe quarry]

What do you mean purple systems only added a trillion new planets?!

[icy citrus]

It's wild sometimes

[safe quarry]

I am guilty of this for the past couple of updates

but I will say I don't think there was an update before then i did not enjoy.

Yes, even waypoints!

[late edge]

I sometimes wonder how Og multi-player would have been. Found an old interview from 2013? Where he was talking about that they made a really cool player model and they wouldn't even say if a player jumped into the system. Sad it got cut.

[safe quarry]

I think people were more annoyed at Waypoints for taking away their big pew pews. Even though they still ended up way too OP after the fact.

[gloomy isle]

Honestly I'd rather corvettes have hireable NPCs crew members than be MP multicrew focused. Though I'd still like to be able to fly people around, especially because my friend hasn't unlocked purple systems

[icy citrus]

[safe quarry]

i was about to try and find this guy

[grizzled apex]

I believe it was later stated that 1.3's "Joint Exploration" with the Orbs is what they were initially planning for launch MP, but I'll need to find the source for that

[safe quarry]

I think it could do both?

I remember them saying that joint exploration was the 'first step' towards multiplayer.

[grizzled apex]

With how much HG value the SP experience, idt they'll ever add an MP only feature which doesn't have an SP equivalent

[safe quarry]

here we go

"While interaction with others is currently very limited, this is an important first step into the world of synchronous co-op in No Man’s Sky."

[safe quarry]

This is why if Corvettes are indeed multicrew, i'm convinced there'll be some squadron esque system of hiring crew.

[late edge]

I hope corvettes do something neat for us players that have zero interests in bases. I just slam a base computer down on planets that look neat and can revisit

[safe quarry]

((Like putting out fires using out new 'prey' esque putty gun!))

[gloomy isle]

It would be a good opportunity to buff squadrons too

[grizzled apex]

Ahh reminds me of the post-next Explorers survey with full player models as one of the options. Closest we've gotten to a roadmap so far.

[safe quarry]

I do this too, which means my base teleport list is obsene

Its also why i want them to turn the save beacons into this functionally, and have a 'beacons' tab for your teleporter list