nms-spoilers

[humble kayak]

just for the record

I don't have a direct source at this very moment but I'm 80 percent sure that sean has said that they'd like to keep supporting NMS and LNF at the same time

[ebon spoke]

The authors of like >60% of the currently (usable) available mods aren't people who actually play the game anymore, they're people who made mods four or five years ago and are now keeping them updated because 1, it's easy and 2, it nets download points on Nexus Mods.

If too much of the playerbase leaves for LNF there wont be many downloads anymore and many of them might not find it worth the trouble to keep maintaining those mods.

If NMS stops getting updates, those mods won't ever need updating and will keep working forever though

[safe quarry]

Yes he said this at the games awards. It was a like tho. So I think his hope is that LNF's sales will keep both afloat for another decade.

Which tbf, despite what some youtubers say who have completely misunderstood how to read a company house annual statement, NMS makes millions annually even now.

Sean said at launch that the launch sales could sustain the company (with the employees at the time) for 25 years. Now HG has grown quite a bit since then, but also so have the sales of NMS. Not to the ridiculous degrees of launch, but we're talking dozens of millions in revenue annually.

[cosmic anvil]

I think we as a community should dispel the myth that HG is a 'poor, struggling indie studio'. Yeah they're indie but no means struggling or poor

[astral surge]

wait the guy who made the Skyrim Unoffical Patch has been banned off of reddit for years?

[grizzled apex]

...is that the conclusion certain "YouTubers" came to?

[safe quarry]

Exactly! I mean they are moving into publishing now too. So they are by no means struggling

[grizzled apex]

Not surprising, but I think that highlights their literacy level quite well

[native carbon]

Any minute for emoji starting now

[grizzled apex]

HG's tagline of trying to mix indie creativity w/ the financial stability of a AAA studio is not unfounded. I'd say they're working quite comfortably on their projects

[safe quarry]

hehe I won't name names but yes they had the annual statement up and had no idea how to read it. Talked about a 'shady secret company' which no is probably just a holding company for their publishing arm. Nothing 'shady' at all!

I feel their move into publishing is to support indies who were in their situation and give them the leg up that they had through sony. Only without as much of that AAA publishing house pressure that probably forced their hand.

[grizzled apex]

Oh, Hello Future? It doesn't take much looking into to realize that it's a parent company with ownership still distributed across the original founders in the same proportion as the original Hello Games shares. Not sure what's shady about that at all.

[safe quarry]

Yes that's the one. I mean the name pretty much says it all.

[grizzled apex]

It's likely an evolution of their old "Hello Labs" venture where they aimed to sponsor games making use of proc gen, now as a general publishing group.

[safe quarry]

Don't get me wrong, i'm sure they will make good profit off of their publishing arm, but I feel its in part to give back to the indie community because they find themselves in quite a favourable position for an 'indie' company.

[grizzled apex]

I didn't know that publishing has to be a separate entity in UK law, but they've got a Hello Games Publishing listed on Company House too, which is pretty neat.

[safe quarry]

I had actually forgotten about Hello Labs, but yes makes sense! I think broadening it out to just 'great indies' is better than bottlenecking it to procedural games.

[grizzled apex]

I wonder if a yearly review of that one could indicate other titles they're publishing

[safe quarry]

Company house would be the place to look, but they won't disclose anything like that, more just their financials. You could probably make a healthy guess from their creditors and debtors as to how much is in the pipeline tho.

I do wonder if we will see an emoji this weekend. It may just be copium and i'm still set on it being next weekend. But it could land quite neatly for them actually. And echoes released during gamescom.

[grizzled apex]

I am looking forward to their financials for 24-25, but we'll have to wait another year for this one's I believe? WPI / II have definitely brought a massive influx of players, so seeing that reflected in their financials would be neat.

[native carbon]

Pls HG emoji soon i just want em to fix their game 🙏

[safe quarry]

their trailer would land during the event which yes does mean it gets lost in the noise, but it also means those other places they push their trailer out to like IGN will also have increased traffic.

[safe quarry]

Potentially yush. They have a financial year (from April) to disclose it.

[native carbon]

Also i wonder if we gonna get more massive updates seperated into 2 parts

[analog breach]

Imo if update comes this month it will be 20.08. Or 26.08.

[native carbon]

No please 😭

[analog breach]

Bc of gamescom

[native carbon]

Earlier

What if gamescom doesnt matter!??

[grizzled apex]

I'm still of the opinion that HG aren't too focused on gaming journalism for their drops, since they seem to give out a writeup to most partner journals

[safe quarry]

They did release Echoes during gamescom in 2023. But I do wonder if they'll use the engagement for that to judge whether to do that again.

[astral surge]

which is problay the right move for them

[analog breach]

Nothing really matters 🎶

[native carbon]

If no emoji this weekend then yeah gamescom 100%

[analog breach]

I say emoji on monday . Update drop on wed. If we get it soon

[safe quarry]

I would love to say that the expedition being server side for so long is a sign that it's something significant that requires a lot of testing... but you say relics was on there a long time, and tbh that was just the same thing repeated five times :p

Now make a biped... now make a quadroped.

I would say if there is going to be an emoji soon, i would lean towards friday-sunday. I don't think he would leave such a short window if its a summer update.

Again, the only thing I can't reconcile is why they stopped experimental and patches so soon if they knew they wouldn't be dropping it until the end of August.

Significant bugs like the flickering water flora feels like something you wouldn't want to leave on public for a month.

[grizzled apex]

There's a lot of things that you'd assume show a trend which don't really. I thought the jump in changelist numbers b/w versions would correlate to how "big" an update is, but I think it's mostly just how many changes occured, like a GitHub PR (if it means anything at all)

Most of these come from the Modding Discord but I might have screwed up for a few?

[safe quarry]

It makes sense that Relics to Beacon was such a jump because they had to account for all the new switch architecture, but I am surprised that Aquarius to Cursed is second.

[mint lynx]

Somehow I've never heard of Gamescom till now

[safe quarry]

Me either until earlier this week.

[mint lynx]

The exp is loaded forget about Gamescom release it lol

[safe quarry]

At this point I am just excited to see what they have been cooking

[cosmic anvil]

Maybe ownable space stations are coming

🚉
This would be the emoji

[icy citrus]

My emoji prediction:

🍔

[rancid flax]

how about🐚 ?

had a dream about it ages back that stuck with me

[sour fossil]

YT videos incomming COMMUNITY LEADER CONFIRMS NEW CONTENT FOR NMS (YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT)

[icy citrus]

Again?

[sour fossil]

Well you didn't make it happen the previous times

So eventually they will get it right

[cosmic anvil]

10th meal at Tesco hits like that

[analog breach]

my emoji prediction

⚛️

[native carbon]

💩

[analog breach]

That was my second pick

[cosmic anvil]

New update will finally add waste management systems... I mean we have a nutrient ingestor.... What goes in, must eventually come out

[runic mesa]

Well, The Cursed did have a special new hazard mechanic programmed in.

[safe quarry]

I wonder if that mechanic would ever make a return? Like a special storm type or planet effect?

[grizzled apex]

The way they implemented it makes it look like it'd show up later on, rather than be an exped-only reskin of an existing hazard.

[late edge]

Captain steve will think this is the return of what he thinks the super formula was

[uncut harness]

The new update better not be food it's all pointless with no hunger bar system ....... unless they add a hunger system for survival mode Holy sheeeiiittttt

[late edge]

A hunger mode would be good, I like hunting and cooking but there's really no point to it

[mint lynx]

I could go for survival mode improvements other than increases and decreases to various things from normal mode

[grizzled apex]

Funny thing, I posted a comment replying someone unrelated on twitter begging Martin for the superformula, and he came out of nowhere to send his video in the reply...

Sure, I asked the original commenter not to rely on "clickbait YouTubers" (verbatim), but if he's insinuating that my comment was targeted at him then... 🤷‍♂️

[mint lynx]

The problem with clickbait youtubers is they often get a few things right so their audience only grows

[late edge]

Tbh I think a lot of NMS youtubers get stuck covering NMS. A lot try to play a different game but the audience wont watch it 😅

[mint lynx]

I follow this guy on fb named Craig I think he just steals content from other people but hey atleast it's true alot of the time

[grizzled apex]

You can see this quite clearly with Capt Steve. Most of his videos on other topics struggle to break past 3 digits at times, while his NMS videos seem to draw in most of the audience.

[grizzled apex]

Yep, his "confirmed Worlds Part II Content" list was a word-for-word copy of many of my posts on datamining Worlds Part I

[mint lynx]

You gotta buy a level 7 copyright to protect your work aha
I don't support stealing from other creators but gotta do what you gotta do

[grizzled apex]

The files content is there for anyone to find and document of course, but I find a ctrl+c <-> ctrl+v of my posts, especially after blocking me earlier for trying to rectify something about the community missions, kinda hilarious 😅

[mint lynx]

He has alot of cred on fb because he proved he dms the hello games gang I don't think he'll get canceled unfortunately

[grizzled apex]

Yknow, maybe I should've fact checked that with Iain Brown when he reached out 😛

I really don't want any drama / conflict in the community though honestly, even if I might not agree with certain people. There's enough problems in the real world to bring em into this rather peaceful universe

I used to be big into the NMS Civ Space, but slowly phased outta there simply due to small bouts drama boiling around in the corners

[late edge]

Yep agreed.

I just brought up the superformula because his videos on it keep popping up in my feed. Nothing against the guy but he doesnt know what hes talking about and I think his videos on that topic may cause undeserved backlash against the game. Because they'll probably think. "Oh hello games is purposely nerfing their planet tech!"

[mint lynx]

I was in cafe42 there was a really bad dude darwolf or somthing like that trolled multiple civs at once now I just hang out here

I even stopped using my old discord just left all that behind lol

[native carbon]

@grizzled apex any news? Like expedition date thinny, hints?

[grizzled apex]

Nothing so far unfortunately

[native carbon]

Yeahhhh i give up

See ya all in like 10 days

[humble kayak]

idk why you'd ever prove that

its showing your hand lol

[mint lynx]

Something probally happened that caused a delay internally because the exp was loaded for awhile

[humble kayak]

i think someone here a few days ago brought up like, even if capt steve DOES have a contact in HG he shouldn't be too eager to give evidence because an employee's potential job is on the line

[mint lynx]

He just likes his clout he has a website too

[grizzled apex]

I don't think it's a delay since Relics was also up there for around a month or so. They could just be testing other non-exped features to go

[grizzled apex]

Precisely, having a "source" becomes the ultimate liability unless you're indifferent to their wellbeing

[mint lynx]

Relics was ready for a month and broke multiple things when it released anyway? That's kinda funny lol

[glass flare]

the Youtubers filled the silence of HG's communication style. some take advantage of that. but people get desperate for info, so it is what it is...

[grizzled apex]

It turns into the Coventry conspiracy plot in a way, you have information, but you don't want people to know you have the information since it sacrifices your source

[humble kayak]

or you play the game smart, and never even mention a source

throw in false information just as much as you have true info

but its always a liability, as you said

it's funny how its almost a self-fixing problem

[grizzled apex]

The Dino builder UI was in the files since WPII, so likely even longer

[humble kayak]

if you want your source to keep their job you dont release the information, so then it doesn't spread and the leak doesn't get any worse, so to speak

[mint lynx]

Xbox leaked fishing but to be fair it was a reasonable bet fishing would come when they upgraded the water and added aqua landing

[grizzled apex]

Platforms sorta get a pass since the leak comes from scheduling issues with information the developers have already provided, not something a person's gone out of their way to spread

[humble kayak]

honestly though

all things considered

HG does pretty damn good w/ preventing leaks

the only stuff I know of are the datamines which are debatable if they count, and IG xbox leaking fishing

[grizzled apex]

Most of HG's leaks happen due to external parties, and being a pretty close-knit team that makes sense

It'd be easy to find the culprit, and they seem to respect each other too much to give a fellow Dev's work away early

[humble kayak]

yeah

[grizzled apex]

I wonder if they screen their QA openings to make sure no NMS fans get in haha

[humble kayak]

they probably just have a really hefty NDA

like a rockstar level NDA

and those guys are more compartmentalized than the Manhattan project

[grizzled apex]

Wonder if that scares away Devs from doing update post mortems, like Martin did with WPI in a way

[humble kayak]

i mean maybe

but they might just have their own individual reasons

[grizzled apex]

That's true, it is a pretty big team though

Compared to the launch team, ofc

[late edge]

How big is the team now? Their office looks amazing

[grizzled apex]

The new press page lists em all

https://www.nomanssky.com/press/

[humble kayak]

shit i just checked chat and at a glance thought the game was on sale

HG please...

[mint lynx]

I couldn't QA test lol
It's a food update?
Yeah mate don't care

[analog breach]

16 on launch vs 64 now.
16X4 = 64

[gloomy isle]

Where's the idea of it being a food update come from?

Or is it just people spitballing lol

[analog breach]

Yes

[gloomy isle]

Oh good

[analog breach]

We have totaly no info about what update will have. Same goes for content creators.

[gloomy isle]

🛳️

Ooooor

🚐

Those are my predictions

🍦

If they want to do a pun

[mint lynx]

Just in general I'm tired of food being updated with no real reason to use it lol

Wow I can eat bones now thank you btw I hate you

[humble kayak]

🏎️ (or something similar) or ⛴️

race car bc its similar to sports car, and a corvette is a sports car

ferry also bc there are naval corvettes which are small warships

[gloomy isle]

Food is OP, it's one of the fastest ways to get money by buffing your scanning, and it gives like 3x jetpack capacity

[gloomy isle]

Ah yeah good idea actually

🎺

This could work since it looks like a cornet

And it sounds similar 😂

[runic mesa]

I wouldn't put it past Sean with the orange = Origins fiasco lol

[humble kayak]

honestly

i'm just incredibly curious about this update

[mint lynx]

The vase was the craziest
Worlds part 2 was self leaked by them by mistake then a bunch of stuff was data mined then it ended up just being fishing

[humble kayak]

idk why its this one

but we know like...next to nothing about it, even compared to the past updates

[runic mesa]

It wasn't actually. The urn is the astrological sign for Aquarius

[mint lynx]

Purple systems was mistakenly spoiled in worlds part 1 anyway

[humble kayak]

i know the station revamp was found in the files before the update

and the bones for relics, or whatever update that was, the fossil one, they were found after W1

[mint lynx]

True but Mix that with what they self leaked and the data mining and it's a bruh moment
Sean had to know we found out about ruined worlds

[humble kayak]

yeah ruined worlds too

but like

there's really nothing there for this update

corvettes MIGHT be coming

might

[gloomy isle]

Didn't we know about autophage and stuff too

[gloomy isle]

I'd say it's pretty likely personally

[humble kayak]

me too

actually i hope so

[gloomy isle]

Since the only other thing that got datamined was the bone stuff

[humble kayak]

becuase i'll cry if they dont

[runic mesa]

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the urn was deliberately, but cheekily trolling the datamines

[humble kayak]

HG's vibe sometimes comes off as if they like to troll the community

[gloomy isle]

Plus they usually add stuff that gets datamined. There's not all that much scrapped stuff that gets found iirc

[humble kayak]

so i wouldnt be surprised

[molten karma]

I think the hype and curiosity is different with this update since we had a really huge update in January with WPII which we haven't had something like that happen before unless you count Pathfinder or Foundations as huge but eh. I think with it being the 9th anniversary as well and 9 being associated with the lore we are leading to think the update will possibly surpass WPII and be bigger in scope or it will it be smaller in scope. However I feel Sean saying multiple surprises makes this potentially a bigger update. I feel next years update might be quite big to since it'll be the 10th anniversary and that's a huge milestone.

My personal predictions it wont surpass the size of WPII but might match it but I think there might be something that leads into next years anniversary update that will be bigger and something truly special. HG seem very proud of their continued support and 10 YEARS is a long and hefty goal and accomplishment.

[gloomy isle]

It's probably a pretty chunky update. I wouldn't expect a worlds sized thing again but it'll defo have a good amount of stuff I think

Probably more gameplay and content oriented though I'd assume

[humble kayak]

i don't see how it wouldn't be a hefty update

we're on the longer end of the update timeline

by all accounts, if we were working by averages, it should've dropped by now

that tells me they either delayed it for some reason, or it's a big update

[runic mesa]

I'm keeping expectations low and only assuming expedition + bug fixes. Less stress that way.

[gloomy isle]

One thing I'm not expecting too much of is story

[humble kayak]

agreed

[gloomy isle]

I'd be surprised if the 10th anniversary update wasn't a story or something

I think they'd save it for that imo

[mint lynx]

I don't have expectations I just don't want more food

[humble kayak]

to me the time leading up to the updates is like a riddle

a riddle with no answer, maybe

but just seeing what it is is always nice

i'm w/ you on the food thing though

[mint lynx]

They probably updating pois by this point of everything else being updated

[analog breach]

Exotics are also an old feature. Not mentioning base building

[gloomy isle]

Space in general could have a lot added

Not that they haven't already

But there's just a lot of potential there imo

Especially if they were to go the route of space legs with corvettes

[humble kayak]

i got to thinking last night, because I couldn't stop thinking about the update's contents, that player movement could use some tweaking

a space-legs EVA sort of update would add to the movement mechanic since you'd be in 0g

But as it is rn I feel like the running animation is kind of...floaty? as if your character doesn't have much weight

[gloomy isle]

They could add a lot of boardable space stuff too

[humble kayak]

also, that'd be the time to do it imo

space stations have been revamped

planets have been revamped

space along w/ corvettes would make sense

[gloomy isle]

Might be a contrived name but here me out

No Man's Sky: Galaxies

Part one (jk)

[humble kayak]

little too on the nose i think

we need to think in terms of being Sean and wanting to troll the community for three days

[gloomy isle]

That's true 😂

[humble kayak]

what about uhhh

Voyager

an emoji of like a canoe or a compass or something

voyager would work bc we travellers voyage across the stars

o shit that was an expedition name

nevermin then

[mint lynx]

Base building works awesome though, they could bring back old snapping but what else would you want

[mint lynx]

They should bring back the old space dust

[gloomy isle]

Expanse maybe 😂 if that won't land them in trouble

[analog breach]

"Aweome". Yeah. Thats why we need to use glitchbuilding to reach full potential. Building editor does not even have something basic like undo button.

[humble kayak]

or anything to place stuff at angles

rotation button doesnt count

[mint lynx]

It's been awhile since I had a glitch building isn't required conversation but I'm busy in like 10 mins lol
I've mad all kinds of cool stuff without using it from mech doors submarine doors and more in between

[humble kayak]

i mean actual 75 degree angles or whatever

both building and furniture could use some tweaking imo

[mint lynx]

The devs left it alone and haven't patched it
Just consider glitch building part of the building like jetpack jump which was originally a glitch

[analog breach]

Or theu could make outr life more simple and make it that we dont have to use glitches anymore.

[mint lynx]

Half of the glitch building techniques aren't even really glitches to begin with too if I had time we could get into it maybe later tonight

[humble kayak]

on the topic of building, and relating to corvettes probably coming soon

it'll be very interesting to see the builds people pull off with their corvettes

i'd imagine we'll get a furniture/decoration set with the corvette's drop so thatll be fun to play with

[ebon spoke]

There will definitely be a mod to enable all base parts for the corvette, assuming the system still works the same as it does now

[tranquil whale]

corvettes? like war ships that are smaller than frigates?

[humble kayak]

corvettes were datamined some time ago

we dont know much about them

but there were textures found

There were textures found and, at the same time as those textures being added, there were two things called "ShipBase" and "FriendShipBase"

thatbomberboi might know more

now that i think about it

because i think he was the one to find them?

[ebon spoke]

The ShipBases are bases that can be attached to a moving ship. Both the ship and the parts need to have an internal switch flipped to enable them to work with the system, so most likely it will be parts and a ship purpose made for this feature.

We know about the corvettes from a bunch of textures. They have a hangar in a bespoke style and some interior padding reminiscent of the Nostromo from Alien. They also use the same exterior texture as the frigates and the generic interior texture from the freighter bases and space stations.

[humble kayak]

well said

i dont have the credentials to be taken seriously BUT i would assume the generic interior texture from the freighter might be a placeholder

given that the hangar has its own style

itd thematically clash

[uncut harness]

I consider corvettes like space racing probably never coming

Would be cool but a freighter does the space base job

[ebon spoke]

freighters are too big to fly around with though

which is presumably the gimmick of the corvettes, assuming the shipbase is for them

[humble kayak]

i wouldnt expect a feature thats been cancelled/shelved/decided against to have its own textures tho

if they get to texturing that tells me theyre pretty confident tehyll get it done

[gloomy isle]

I feel like corvettes are less full bases and might be more compact

Not quite space caravans but not quite a full base

[humble kayak]

wym?

like more limited in space, and thus there's less you can cram into one?

or something else

[gloomy isle]

They're very likely a lot smaller than freighters

[humble kayak]

cant wait to make the only other crewman on my corvette one of those fluffy penguin creature things

[grizzled apex]

Yea they left an early autophage model in singularity's files

[humble kayak]

wonder if we'll see an emoji tomorrow

[molten karma]

I think its going to be a big update but if we see no movement this weekend than I think it indicates something a bit more special tbh.

[humble kayak]

agreed

[mint lynx]

Worlds part 3 confirmed?

[cosmic anvil]

Employee : Boss, the social media people are going wild for an emoji drop or something

Meanwhile Sean : hmm today I had Cornish turbot, tomorrow I will have Indian and then after that lamb chops... And then end the week with a nice vacation to Blackpool Pleasure beach

[humble kayak]

it must be really fun on his end to pretty much just continually fuck with us

not to condemn it, either

i'd do the same if i was him

its funny watching hundreds or thousands of people (not a small number of whom are probably fathers of 4 or something) go ape trying to figure out what a bacon emoji means

[grizzled apex]

How long was the wait between Adrift and WPI / The Cursed and WPII?

[mint lynx]

A exp wasn't loaded and ready for 49 days tho

And cross save don't really count imo the cursed was heavily bugged and broken lol

Both times

[cosmic anvil]

Beacon - bacon

Sean : I have achieved peak comedy

Gotta be the most expensive dad joke

But I love it soo it works

[mint lynx]

Settlemids getting updated gave us more building parts atleast

[grizzled apex]

They've had a trend recently (for the most part) of emojis relating to the update name as opposed to the headline feature (Omega, Orbital, WPI, Aquarius, The Cursed, WPII, and Beacon)

Adrift and Relics kinda feel like they don't fit that pattern, but maybe I don't get those

[humble kayak]

probably so it isnt so easy to guess

[mint lynx]

I love how adrift spawned a new game mode but they've already didn't update it for two updates so far
Still has bugs and inconsistencies

[uncut harness]

That's what I'm saying don't release a game mode and leave it half broken

Spit that facts

They fixed the main stuff you'd immediately notice atleast

[mint lynx]

🗣️🎙️

[humble kayak]

going to bed the night before an emoji drops feels like how it felt go sleep the night before school may or may not be cancelled from weather

IE i'll wake up tmrw w/ no emoji

[mint lynx]

Why you think a emoji dropping today?

[humble kayak]

desperation

great timing gunter

i'm just going with the Da Vinci strat of predictions

make a shitton of predictions and while most will be wrong some are bound to be right

it just so happens that if I keep spamming "next saturday" it might work

[mint lynx]

If it helps I hope so too

[native carbon]

Today trust

[grizzled apex]

Watch em drop it on Sunday lol

[humble kayak]

just my luck

[mint lynx]

I'm on switch mainly so I might get the update late and will definitely get patches late lol

[humble kayak]

well regardless im gonna go to bed

lets hope switch gets good parity when it comes to update release too

[cosmic anvil]

Good night, maybe tomorrow will be a bright new day

Or in the case of HG, Guilford reports cloudy with a 10% chance of rain... 🇬🇧

[native carbon]

The emoji is soo soon i can smell it

[analog breach]

But is it close enough for pact ?

[icy citrus]

[gloomy isle]

I love how after 9 years we can smell an update coming (and how big it'll likely be) with literally 0 info lmao

[native carbon]

Nope, its like several states away

But i can smell it

It smells like Singular Gleam

[mint lynx]

Where's the emoji then

[native carbon]

Its coming, i can smell it

This time it smells like 🐟

[cosmic anvil]

Why? We already have fishing... Oh gosh please not a fishing update

[mint lynx]

Fishing update was sick though

You got the cool armor, the water landing gear, fishing itself

[cosmic anvil]

True but it's not something I engage often in the game 😅 but if a fishing update benefits the community at large, I'm up for it

[safe quarry]

I was thinking what emoji would be good for a corvettes update considering Sean's taste for puns. I decided the best one would be a courgette... i then realised this would be the worst emoji idea 😅

[cosmic anvil]

Actually that's pretty good

It's up there with bacon = beacon

But would they name the update the Corvette update tho? It'll probably be some random noun

Like just from the name beacon, I really can't see the relevance to settlements... Relics made sense

[real sapphire]

!pact

[cloud jolt]

A pact is when you bet that an update will or won't be out by a certain time, or have something specific in it. If you lose you pay a small, fun penalty - like a server name change for a specified time, or changing your in game character to a different race, or coloring. Something that doesn't hurt.

[native carbon]

The update... i can see it

It will add...

[grizzled apex]

Depends on the update name. If it reflects the update content we could probably see something like Commanders or Armada, which I can't think of an emoji for tbh 😅

It could be named vaguely like Beacon or Endurance again, giving them an easier emoji choice

[native carbon]

🫂

Maybe

[mint lynx]

It's worlds part 3

[cosmic anvil]

Emoji will be 🌏

🌎🌍🌏

1-2-3

[native carbon]

Any minute

🤑

[mint lynx]

So no update this week lol

[cosmic anvil]

16/16/16

[mint lynx]

I googled it and if a update releases we often get emoji Thursday to Saturday

[cosmic anvil]

Or maybe not at all

We have to accept HG really doesn't owe us anything... They just do stuff whenever they feel like it

Owe in the sense like teasing stuff

[mint lynx]

Well no they do a specific release pattern it's not about oweing lol

The only thing that's changed is the emoji use to signify the main feature not the update name

[cosmic anvil]

But they keep insisting that NMS is a passion project so I get the vibes that they may just stop at anytime and say yeah we told you it's just a passion project at the moment or something...

[native carbon]

There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no 🦟 🦗 🦇 🫨 😡 🤢 🥵

[mint lynx]

#memes🤡 message

[native carbon]

Yeah posted on march 2024

[mint lynx]

I have time blindness

[ebon spoke]

They can do emojis any day of the week, but never more than 6 days before the update. Other than that there is no pattern to it

[mint lynx]

And update day Is Wednesday

Unless your update got delayed I'm looking at you switch mac Xbox

[humble kayak]

well no emoji yet

but the day is young

[mint lynx]

I wish they would update living ships again the week long wait is outdated it's 5 years old now

They even touched mecha again also years old

[grizzled apex]

You would be surprised

[mint lynx]

Huh well atleast there's still hope

That counts all emoji tweets not just the first one tho right? Cowboy triple gib

[humble kayak]

in my time zone we usually get a tweet in the afternoon sometime

its noon rn so theres still time

meaning theres, of course, time for everyone

[mint lynx]

I only care about the first emoji lol

[humble kayak]

same

because then we can get to theorizing on it

[mint lynx]

Yeah and just the fact that means it's coming since apparently you can't trust a exp being loaded

[humble kayak]

i mean an exp being loaded definitely has meaning

its just not very helpful

[cosmic anvil]

This is BST time?

[analog breach]

Monday it is then and drop on wed 🤞

[cosmic anvil]

Yeahh seems like a logical time

[native carbon]

But i want it NOWW

[cosmic anvil]

Invent a time machine

[native carbon]

Bet

[cosmic anvil]

Or hang a big banner : "EMOJI NOWW" on the UK Houses of Parliament 😭

[native carbon]

Will do

[cosmic anvil]

This is the BBC news : an unidentified person has hung an unauthorized banner stating "Release emoji" on the Houses of Parliament. It is unknown how this person managed to beat security and MI5 is looking into it

[native carbon]

Yooo mom in famous

[grizzled apex]

I tried to convert from the tweets I'd see in my local time zone to BST/UTC, yes

A few may be an hour over / under since I wasn't sure exactly when BST starts and ends though

[gloomy isle]

I live there and still get mixed up sometimes lol

On the plus side, if there's nothing this week then it'll be even more exciting when we do get the emoji lol

[mint lynx]

There won't be lol I'd be willing to make a pact that's how sure I am lol

[grizzled apex]

!pact

[cloud jolt]

A pact is when you bet that an update will or won't be out by a certain time, or have something specific in it. If you lose you pay a small, fun penalty - like a server name change for a specified time, or changing your in game character to a different race, or coloring. Something that doesn't hurt.

[grizzled apex]

gotta make it happen now 👀

[mint lynx]

I'm gunna end up being right so sure let's do it lol no emoji before Monday August 18th and I doubt even then lol

[late edge]

To think if the launch disaster didnt happen we'd probably have a full roadmap

[mint lynx]

We have most things off the 2016 missing features list to be fair
Only like 3 things missing

I didn't play NMS then but I kept up with the news

[humble kayak]

fuck it, why not

i'm in too

what're the conditions

[mint lynx]

Ok if I'm right you have to change your server name to cinder was right for two weeks

[humble kayak]

@grizzled apex we are discussing the terms of the pact if you're still interested

[grizzled apex]

I'm not taking part, I was just trynna summon whoever officiates it 😅

[humble kayak]

damn i've been bamboozled

oh well

[humble kayak]

If I'm right you have to put "Denier of Updates" in front of your name for two weeks

or some variation of

i leave the exact words or whatever up to you

[mint lynx]

Tag a mod I guess idk how this works lmao

[humble kayak]

i dont know either

[native carbon]

Nms emoji is closer then you think!!!!!

[runic mesa]

When is gamescon? That's looking more and more likely.

[native carbon]

Idk but i bet we will get something this week like come on

If not then ima legit change my name to Fi poopypants for 12 years

[grizzled apex]

Ah, matching with Sean from the recent trailers I see

[runic mesa]

My speculation is either Sunday/Monday or next weekend.

[grizzled apex]

HG are not listed presenters, and I don't think Gamescom does secret announcements

[native carbon]

If its not monday then

Monday left me broken 🎵

[runic mesa]

Ahhh, gotcha

It could be likely they just loaded up the expedition to be double certain its ready while they tweaked other content?

[grizzled apex]

Previous expeds have been loaded up way further in advance too.

I wish I'd kept more of these noted down

[runic mesa]

Wow, Relics sat there for a while

And Adrift, interesting

[mint lynx]

Relics sat waiting in silence, waiting to break our games

Lurking in the shadows

[humble kayak]

the wait is killing me

[violet forge]

Question, spoiler tagging just in case: ||Am I SUPPOSED to reset the galaxy to complete the main story and unlock In Stellar Magnitudes?||

[mint lynx]

Yes but no

You don't have to but there's no reason why you wouldn't

[runic mesa]

You can say no. But agreeing to reset gets you access to another galaxy easily without core jumping. And you can return to Euclid, you lose nothing. Just damaged tech you have to fix.

[violet forge]

||Is it the only way to unlock the In Stellar Multitudes missions? I said no a short while ago, cos I was worried I would've lost a lot o' things, but good to know that's not the case.||

[mint lynx]

The story presents the illusion of choice there's often no difference

Either way you'll get echoes content and worlds part 2 content

[runic mesa]

Finishing the Artemis path is a prerequisite for In Stellar Multitudes, yes

You just have to finish it, regardless of your decision. But you'll gain more by choosing to reset than not, IMO

For example, if you like either harsh or paradise planets,|| choosing to reset gets you a free ride to Calypso (harsh galaxy) or Eissentam (lush galaxy). ||

paradise My phone, I swear

[native carbon]

Yeah whatever u choose u dont lose any content

[runic mesa]

By saying no, it just means you lose the free taxi to Calypso, Eissentam or Budullangr.

[violet forge]

I'll consider it. For now, I'm still trying how to figure out why I haven't unlocked the In Stellar Multitudes missions, even though it looks I met the prerequisites?

[mint lynx]

Go to calypso
Paradise is overrated

Idk anyone who picked budullabgr lol

[runic mesa]

Poor Eissentam, killed by hype

[mint lynx]

There's two issues with eissentam overcrowding and lush planets are kinda mid
Sure no storms green grass very nice

[runic mesa]

The Artemis path, the Atlas path and They Who Returned are required for In Stellar Multitudes

[mint lynx]

It's not NMS fault it spawns everyone inside a 200,000 Lightyear ring..... Wait yes it is

[violet forge]

Looks like I haven't unlocked They Who Returned, actually.

[humble kayak]

whats better about calypso than eissentam?

[mint lynx]

I wonder why they decided roughly 500,000ly to 700,000 Ly is the sweet spot

[runic mesa]

Have you been to a dissonant planet yet and lifted the terminal seal in a harmonic camp?

[mint lynx]

Harsh galaxy so storms more varied planets lush is lush

[violet forge]

I've been to a dissonant planet, but didn't know about harmonic camps until now.

[runic mesa]

Okay, do that. That's a requirement for They Who Returned

[violet forge]

Will I need those disaster locator beacon things?

[humble kayak]

by chance did you name the planet at the center of hilbert "Calypso or bust"

because i'm there right now lmao

[runic mesa]

They Who Returned prerequisites are the Artemis path and lifting a harmonic camp seal

[mint lynx]

No I just like harsh planets alien worlds
I'm Australian I go outside it's a lush planet lol

[humble kayak]

ok i figured the odds of the person who actually named the system that are near zero but

i had to check

[runic mesa]

I live in Georgia (US state, not country) and basically live in a forest. I like desert worlds lol

[humble kayak]

im in minnesota and thus i like those snowy forest worlds

but ive yet to find one that isnt a hellscape

[mint lynx]

Very nice

[runic mesa]

Sorry, missed this. An echo locator, yes

[violet forge]

I live in Southern Ontario, and I find comfort in at least a few different locales, snow, ocean, forest, I think desert is my least favourite.

[humble kayak]

i dont like deserts either

i dont like sand. its course and rough, irritating

it gets everywhere

[mint lynx]

Since worlds part 2 sand worlds are awesome
In worlds part 1 they made snow pile up on trees

[violet forge]

Is that only with the tessellation on? Or is my snow planet weird?

[humble kayak]

also just a footnote, if anyone has any tips for finding a coniferous-esq world im all ears

[mint lynx]

Any snow planet since worlds part 1 will do it.

[glass flare]

well "pile up" is a bit of an exaggeration, it's just a texture

a fairly bad-looking texture IMO

[violet forge]

I could show that my planet might have coniferous trees, but apparently I can't do screenshots here?

[glass flare]

you don't get image perms until your user level is higher

[violet forge]

Hmm, what to do to quickly earn that level...

[mint lynx]

Just talk

[violet forge]

... You guys like VGM? 😅

[mint lynx]

I'm not a huge worlds part 1 fan I like old water fine enough but the snow worlds improvments are cool

What's vgn

Vgm

[violet forge]

Take two guesses. 😄

[mint lynx]

I got nothing

[violet forge]

If this channel allows links, I'll give a hint. ^u^ https://youtu.be/drT1uOViuz4?list=RDTz5bt1IIKwg

[runic mesa]

I like desert worlds mainly because of the WP1 glow up. They're a lot more atmospheric now.

Pre-WP1 they were just, oh look, brown rocks.

[violet forge]

So far I think that's kinda been what I've been encountering for the most part. Brown rocks, and a huge mess of... 'things'. 🤔

Damn, still not high enough, lol

Probably just haven't encountered a proper dedicated desert planet, yet.

I've encountered three snow planets that are eerily similar to my first snow planet, though.

[violet forge]

Gonna need to put that mission on hold though, cos as I was making my way to the dissonant planet, I was just given a repair job for a downed sentient aircraft. o-0

[violet forge]

Right, so I have a sentient ship, now. ... It's a C-Class, versus my Hauler's S-Class, and isn't even as fast as it. o~o

[runic mesa]

If you like the look of it, you have a few options.

You can scrap it and use the terminal to find another of hopefully a higher class. You can use the same harmonic camp to find multiple ships, btw. There's 1 interceptor design per system. So you'll always find the same one. But you can exploit this to either find the same ship in an A or S class. Or just keep scrapping for money.

Or you can just keep it until you get the nanites to upgrade it yourself.

[humble kayak]

so likely no emoji today

possibly tmrw or monday?

[runic mesa]

It's 12:25am there now, so probably not

[violet forge]

I'll keep it for collector sake for now until happen upon those stronger ones, but I think I'm still gonna main my hauler nonetheless. I like my hauler. 😅

[runic mesa]

Sure. FYI, any ship can be endgame worthy with upgrading + modules. It's all about preference, really.

I main a customs solar I built myself.

[violet forge]

Yup, my hauler's also custom built. It was like, the only thing I wanted to do before I finished the main story. 😅

It's an S-Class, but has nowhere near the storage and upgrade capacity of the A-Class I bought, though. I didn't think to save my modules until I was almost done. XD

[mint lynx]

A haulers not complete without the hover wings though

[violet forge]

Maybe. Maybe maybe. But I also thought those cargo-looking wings are exactly what I would put on my ship. Trying to make my ship in a way that looks like I could both live in it and set up base camp with it or something.

(I know that's funny though, considering you can already own a base and a freighter. IIRC, you can set up a base anywhere too. I'm pretty sure everything you need to escape a planet in case you get stuck in it is on said planet. BUT STILL. 😆)

[mint lynx]

You can even own a base 5000 miles under the sea now

[violet forge]

That's what those underwater build parts are for, eh? You can even park a submarine beside it. I built a 2nd base just to do submarine stuff, I think I should probably expand it directly to the ocean.

[cosmic anvil]

Thank you! So we can expect something in the next 2 days?

[humble kayak]

correct me if i'm wrong

but i dont think that emoji sheet means as much as we'd all like to think. Not that its useless, because it isn't

But because I don't think it accounts for Sean hyping up the soon-to-be-update by spamming emojis

IE you're not getting a true average on when the first emoji is sent

you're getting the average time that the largest number of emojis are sent

[uncut harness]

The first emoji means everything without it we have nothing

[humble kayak]

Agreed

And since the table, and ofc I may be wrong, is only saying when emojis are most frequent

it isn't saying when the first emoji is likely to be sent

[uncut harness]

Unless I read that chart wrong it (respectfully) don't really mean much the emoji comes over the weekend and by Monday Sean posts a triple or a cowboy

So Monday's inflated

[humble kayak]

yeah exactly

it gives information we already know

i guess i should be update-agnostic then

It is unknowable whether an update does or does not exist, and trying to find out without outside influence is a dead end

outside influence being sean

[mint lynx]

It exists there wouldn't be a exp loaded if not

[humble kayak]

id send the jack sparrow "Stop blowing holes in my joke!" meme if i could

[cosmic anvil]

HG is permanently scared of hype cause of the launch

Honestly I wouldn't mind them going the gacha route and have live streams before each update

[ebon spoke]

It's only counting the first emojis

[mint lynx]

This is what they call the mandella effect ive been playing nms everytime I see a new emoji for 3 years and it's always come on a Thursday to Sunday lol

[humble kayak]

it's always been on a saturday or sunday for me

I get timezones are a thing but

idk

[mint lynx]

Counting timezones is cheating lol

[humble kayak]

thats the thing tho

the table, unless im reading it wrong, says the majority of emojis release on a monday night

if i usually get them on a saturday that can't possibly line up

and If I adjust for sunday instead that's still only monday morning

[mint lynx]

I was curious so I googled the days starting at the bottom until I hit a Monday

Becan was a Saturday
Relics was a Saturday
Worlds part 2 was a Thursday
The cursed was a Thursday
Aquarius was a Sunday
Worlds part 1 was a Friday
Adrift has no date listed it's blank
Orbital Sunday
Omega was a Saturday
Echoes was a Sunday
Singularity was a monday

[grizzled apex]

The chart only includes the first emoji post, not subsequent teases such as the triple emoji / cowboy

[mint lynx]

It looks like older nms players are use to Mondays while newer ones know the weekend, checks out as I started 3ish years ago

But after two Mondays it's back to a Saturday

I'm in 2023 now lol

[grizzled apex]

I was as surprised as you as I recalled emojis dropping primarily over the weekend tbf. I think the dates were closer to release the further back you go, and HG's slowly shifted the emoji to over the weekend over the years.

[mint lynx]

The first 2022 date starting from the bottom was a Tuesday what the hell

I'm bored but it's fair to expect the weekend in the last 3 years it's been the norm lol

[humble kayak]

seems like we've ran into a wall here then

this was always speculation work, of course

but predictions could be made based off previous data

that doesnt seem to work now

[grizzled apex]

Prediction off precedence requires a solid pattern, which as we can see HG isn't totally keen on maitaining

[mint lynx]

I'd say it still works if you consider the last 2 years and most of the third year as a pattern

[grizzled apex]

The main takeaway was that the emoji has previously dropped on every day possible, except for a wednesday (as that's usually update day)

[humble kayak]

which is why this whole thing is all the more interesting

They're breaking pattern for a reason

whether that's Gamescom or something else, who can say

[mint lynx]

Adrift was on the weekend too if hype streams are to be believed for some reason I can't Google an emoji for it

[grizzled apex]

Had the same problem looking at Sean's twitter. Wonder if their search's broken

[humble kayak]

you can search someones tweets??

i just keep scrolling until i find what i'm looking for

fml

[mint lynx]

I don't trust hype streams dude could of woke up next day and seen it

[grizzled apex]

It's a lot easier on web, but you can use search modifiers to do that on the app too

[humble kayak]

ah

also generally when emojis are sent on a sunday

is it early sunday morning

or is it usually afternoon

[mint lynx]

Sundays still possible I'm just s negative nancy about Sundays

[humble kayak]

i dont expect anything

but i might as well keep on business as usual

[mint lynx]

Fingers crossed

[grizzled apex]

Seems evenly distributed b/w Sunday morning / night since 2021

[humble kayak]

great

you've been an immense help bomberboi

But if numbers could think and speak

I'd ask you to tell them to give us something useful next time

lol

sometimes i wonder if sean does this to be funny

i know he probably doesnt, but one begins to wonder

[grizzled apex]

Hah, I'm just the guy who notes em down trynna find a pattern and ends up with the conclusion "HG do whatever the hell they want" most of the time 😅

[mint lynx]

Sean said once he's aware of the emoji hype so it's a distinct possibility

[safe quarry]

I think since the community research was listed for the 27th august, we could sit confident-ish that the update would drop then at the earliest, and I think that's rung true. At least that means we can use the community research to get an idea of where HG's head is at timescales wise.

it might not be a solid indicator, but I think it shows internally where their head is at

[grizzled apex]

For the WPII emoji, they posted on LinkedIn about how they're still able to "rile up their community" over a single emoji 8 years after release, so they're actively marketing themselves on the fact too

[mint lynx]

That's cheeky lol
It helps world part 1 was so crazy , admittedly I only care about a handful of things it added

[humble kayak]

linkedin

sigh

one more platform to check every day

[mint lynx]

You'll know what's going on from a Twitter or bluesky tweet

[grizzled apex]

They usually only update their linkedin after an update / emoji (as with WPII)

[humble kayak]

yeah but i'm the kind of guy to check for any change at all and try to extrapolate meaning from it

within reason anyway

not just for updates

[grizzled apex]

HG made a new official Hello Games Insta in may 25 that's only accessible from the updated NMS press page afaik, if you wanna add to the count

https://www.instagram.com/hellogamesofficial

Wonder if they'll make one for LNF too now

[humble kayak]

thank you kindly

[mint lynx]

Is it weird I'm almost not excited for lnf
How do we go from infinite freedom to one planet lol

[grizzled apex]

I'm more interested in how they're gonna handle new biomes / regions via updates (if they decide to add those) on a single world.

[humble kayak]

i'm more excited

though funnily enough

it's entirely possible the surprise HG mentioned relates to LNF and isn't related to an update

[mint lynx]

I'd have to admit the more mutiplayer focus of it sont interest me either

[humble kayak]

if thats the case i'll almost be sort of disappointed because I'm hyped for corvettes

which is funny because ive been watching for LNF every day since reveal

[mint lynx]

Corvettes would be cool it would be almost a starfield style dlc as that's how ships function in it

[glass flare]

hey so, I know nothing about GOG but I just noticed NMS is on sale there

[mint lynx]

Gog tosses out sales like candy if it was steam I'd be more hyped but thays a good sign

[humble kayak]

👀

[glass flare]

yeah I wasn't sure if they followed steam/ps/xbox sale cadence or sales were common there. pretty deep sale price, but again I don't know if that's common

[grizzled apex]

GOG sales are weird, I don't think they always line up with an update

[humble kayak]

looking at the xbox store rn

i dont see a sale

so its probably not on playstation or steam either

[glass flare]

yeah i already checked them, it's just GOG.

i feel like they've been a precursor before but maybe i'm misremembering

[mint lynx]

I'm invested into when this updates coming out now lmao, I spent a half hour looking up dates of emojis like a crazy guy

[humble kayak]

one of us! one of us!

[glass flare]

you've unlocked the real endgame

[analog breach]

#memes🤡

[safe quarry]

Hmm I think i am going for an emoji next weekend, a release on the 27th.... space focused update... and it will be called No Man's Sky: Celestial. Maybe include corvette in among it. Or space station ownership.

[humble kayak]

I'm leaving my pc on tonight, and I'll keep watch for emojis until the 18th

per my pact with cinder

[safe quarry]

I do wonder what the original purpose of the station overrides were, because if they were an expedition reward, at some point they thought it was going to be live and active. So owning a space station with it doesn't feel like the original intent, because that would be a lot of development to just assume it would go live for Prisms.

The cartographers expedition it was originally a reward for too was all planet side, that was its whole gimmick. So a station override as a milestone reward is very odd.

I think they came in around the floating AI thingies in space stations? And I wonder if the broken down outlaw variant is what it was supposed to do to them. Since they can be received as rewards from outlaw missions.

[safe quarry]

Fae realms and other dimensional worlds? I feel they'll put a strong foundation of procedural biomes and tapography down now so they don't have to touch that side of the game for a very long time and commit to their 'one world' idea. But I feel if 5-10 years down the line they have taken the procedural generation further, like NMS they will find an additive way to do it, and that will probably mean them breaking their one planet rule to introduce a whole new frontier to conquer and explore.

But I feel going the realm direction of fantasy like dnd, but also how games like minecraft have done it, is probably what they will eventually do. Because the alternative would be to lock off regions for future updates the way they have those hidden stars in NMS. And I don't see them doing that if the whole conceit of the game is that you have a truly open world.

[native carbon]

😭

[native carbon]

Earlier

[analog breach]

Imo There are still many unused system seeds per region. Like they did with purple systems. Also HG could change existing galaxies (next after eissentam

[grizzled apex]

I was talking about new biomes added in updates in LNF, not NMS

[analog breach]

Oh. Welp. We need to wait and see. Maybe the biome will be based on geographic coords. Maybe proc gen will put biomes depending on terrain gen. Or both. Time will tell

[gloomy isle]

Huh so it is starting to look like it really could be the 27th

[native carbon]

Any minute now.... yeah....

[analog breach]

I say emoji monday , update drop on wed or during gamescom ( IF HG has something to show there)

[gloomy isle]

They're not listed iirc

And gamescom doesn't usually do surprise stuff like that

It's possible though

[native carbon]

Soldiers dont give up!!!! We still have sunday and monday 🔥

[gloomy isle]

On the plus side

The longer the wait the bigger it'll probably end up being

[native carbon]

Awesome, i just want em to fix the game

[gloomy isle]

I've been playing and it's honestly not that bad imo

Only bug I've seen personally is the underwater props thing

[native carbon]

And that bug is making me hate the game

[gloomy isle]

I mean, it's barely noticeable imo

There's been way worse stuff left in for way longer

[native carbon]

Look ima not fight with you but saying its barely noticeable is just lying

[native carbon]

Like?

[gloomy isle]

Freighter lighting issues, multiplayer not working (it's been years), xbox memory leak rendering it essentially unplayable for some, VR being essentially unplayable for a while iirc

Not to mention this issue goes away as soon as you actually go into the water

It's nbd imo

[native carbon]

Freighter lighting issues is not that big, it only happens when u change something in it afaik,
Multiplayer not working is just nms, never played on xbox, VR

The water rendering just makes the game look like vomit

[analog breach]

No sweat. It will happen when it happens. I got more dark lords to kill in the meantime in nightregin.

[gloomy isle]

Nah the the lighting is only like that now after it got fixed. Beforehand it was all the time

[runic mesa]

Fishing title helmets still bugged, still have 5 unobtainable Relics fossils, the tech catalogue has been a mess for years, etc

[gloomy isle]

And multiplayer not working is objectively way worse than underwater props being culled weirdly

[native carbon]

Meanwhile me making a nms inspirated game in game builder garage (very limited game creator on nintendo switch lol)

[runic mesa]

Oh, and there's still that bugged treasures entry.

[analog breach]

Yeah. No LS modules listed.

[native carbon]

Fair but multiplayer just wont be fixed, lets be real. Has been bugged since release, is bugged now, will be bugged. Water rendering just appeared out of nowhere, makes the game look like vomit, no fixes/workarounds.

MP work around is just to turn it off. Simple

And as a person who loves walking around water both in game and irl, it just hurts

[gloomy isle]

If the mp workaround is to not engage with that area of the game, then the water glitch workaround is to avoid water planets.

I'm not saying you should do that, but that's what you're effectively saying in regards to MP. Because a lot of people like MP

[native carbon]

Im doing that already btw, makes the game more boring ngl...

[runic mesa]

The bugs that affect you personally are always the worst. But that's subjective. For me, the squid helmet is bugged and won't unlock for me again after I was forced to load a restore save after I got the title. So obviously I want that fixed first.

[native carbon]

Also fair point

Nms is playable but i dont want to play it at the moment

[runic mesa]

And at the moment, you can't get the helms on multiple saves. They'll unlock only on the save that got the title. Rest are screwed out of it.

[analog breach]

Oooh. That sucks

[runic mesa]

Yeah. They just need to make them account wide unlocks. Boom, done. I baffled why this is still an issue

[analog breach]

Not enough repots? To be noticable from under the pile of " i want nuke the planets" mails

[runic mesa]

I'm waiting to see what bug fixes were held over until the next update before I zendesk it again.

Never say never. They did fix wormkin folios finally

[native carbon]

Dont give up soldiers!!!!

We can still get it!!1

[hard summit]

Only 2.67 showers away now

[native carbon]

Only

[runic mesa]

munching breakfast and timing how long the new running gag's going to go

[mint lynx]

Where the emoji

[analog breach]

Somewhere in the future

[mint lynx]

Well we'll well looks like I was right

Yall emoji less this week lol

[native carbon]

Theres still monday ya know

Emoji is 0 showers away (aka sometime this year)

[safe quarry]

I think think 27th for the actual release is the most likely, and i started to get a nervous gut feeling when the community research was set to end then. But I still have hope for the past few weeks, and especially for at least something on the anniversary but that didn't happen. But here's some copium to keep going!:

[native carbon]

Community research doesnt mean anything tbh

[mint lynx]

I thought I already disproved Monday coping last night, last Monday emoji was in 2023

[safe quarry]

We know the expedition went server side at the start of the month, so internally its been in testing with HG. That at least says something of the content was feature complete back then. Lets suppose it was really good and testing went well that they were excited for this coming update. They had 3 options:

[native carbon]

The perfect example is the cursed update, added the WP1 plants, then actually obtainable updates later

[safe quarry]

1 - Release the update a week or two in early August, the usual fanfare, emoji, a little bit of engagement with an audience beyond NMS, but mostly fans.
2 - Release on the anniversary, can make more of a fanfare, but again you are looking an speaking to an already engaged audience of players who have already bought the game. (better to push the plushies, which would only be bought by fans, and who is your primary audience watching you for activity around the anniversary.)
3 - You have a LNF trailer scheduled for the gamescom On the night event, you have a captive audience of new players, not just NMS veterans who have already bought the game. You have paid for X amount of trailer time during the 2 hour window of the event, why not dedicate some at the tail end of your LNF trailer to show off the update you plan to release tomorrow (Gamescom event tuesday, update wednesday.) Now your update is infront of a much larger audience of prospective new buyers.

There is a world where, Sean might not want to drop an emoji at all, as that would pre-emptively give away an imminent update.

[native carbon]

Stop making me think its on 27th 😭

I want it this week 😠

[safe quarry]

Announcement on Tuesday during gamescom, boom, update on the 20th.

But realistically, i still think 27th (at the earliest.)

[native carbon]

I gonna eat you

[safe quarry]

hehe sorry! Better to have low expectations, and be pleasantly surprised.

than high expectations and be disappointed.

[native carbon]

Let me believe

🎵

[safe quarry]

Well I did just come up with a scenario where it could drop this wednesday without an emoji :p

Even if its far fetched!

[native carbon]

Its not, it will happen 100% trust

[safe quarry]

From what I noseyed, most games set to be shown on Tuesday at gamescom are not announced ahead of time. 7 have been, but only at their publishers discretion

and i don't know whether games that trailer on the tuesday event necessarily have to attend the in-person event that follows for the following days

[native carbon]

I said that a week ago lmao

[safe quarry]

so in theory HG could promote on the tuesday, but not be listed as a stand or presence on the Gamescom website.

[native carbon]

Im coping so hard

[safe quarry]

The gamescom first night event seems to even be a remote event, so HG doesn't even need to be in attendance to promote the game.

And tactically, if i was HG and paid a small fortune for a slot in that event to promote LNF. Then realised I had a big feature update that could sell copies of NMS. I would bite my tongue and hold off the temptation to drop the update earlier in august, to tie it into the Gamescom event instead.

Tho this all hinged on HG putting out a trailer for LNF at gamescom, rather than waiting for the game awards to be consistent. Though both are Geoff Keighley led events.

[glass flare]

I don't remember HG ever promoting a big update or releasing a trailer at Gamescom

[analog breach]

7th anniversary trailer was on 18.08.

Thats the closest date i think..

[humble kayak]

#memes🤡

[safe quarry]

no they haven't, but they did use the tail end of the LNF trailer at the games awards to promote NMS' 2024 updates.

And they have attended and done closed press viewings of NMS at gamescom before release in the past, so they're not against attending or demoing at Gamescom

[mint lynx]

Put the cope down you're addicted

[safe quarry]

And if you're going to pay for a preview spot during the opening event, you'd spare a few seconds to NMS

[glass flare]

TGA is a lot different, Sean has a relationship with Geoff going back to the very first public trailer of NMS

[safe quarry]

oh i do think it'll still be the 27th

[safe quarry]

The gamescom opening event is another of Geoff's projects

he hosts it

he has three events he runs, i don't know the third

[glass flare]

I'm just saying...every year I hear people say "maybe at Gamescom" and nothing ever happens. It might be an easy way of showing off stuff to press privately but they've never done a big reveal there

[safe quarry]

No i really don't think it will be. I was just putting out a scenario where they could ^.^

Once the anniversary didn't pan out, 27th seemeds the more likely candidate.

Gamescom the event itself looks very b2b, industry focused

the only real consumer facing part is the opening night live

[glass flare]

I still think it will be September, but that's going off of no real evidence other than Apple's graphics API advancements this year could make an iOS port feasible

[safe quarry]

possibly, tho they tend to tie updates to platforms with smaller updates. Tho 'Waypoints' was supposed to be their big summer update and that was the switch launch. Not sure i'd qualify it as the big summer update tho!

[glass flare]

yeah. "big" for them is sometimes a different metric than "big" for existing players

[safe quarry]

mhm, i can't remember the update before waypoint but i remember i much preferred it.

ah endurance

yes much better update IMO

I would have called that one the big summer update if it was me

[glass flare]

gotta say it would be pretty cool though to be able to load up my NMS save on the go with my iPhone and do a few maintenance tasks

[safe quarry]

That would be nice!

[mint lynx]

I only really want 2 things from NMS
Shuttle customization and the week long timer on living ships to go away it's outdated
The gimmicks were cool in the first few years when the game was being updated with the missing features and new features but now NMS is just awesome

[native carbon]

Emoji copium

[mint lynx]

The UI outdated too I guess but I don't mind it

[analog breach]

LS timer goes away after first LIving ship anyways. The statbirth quest was meant to be done in the meantime. Not in one go.

[mint lynx]

If you only have one save that's fine but for any number of reasons you could have multiple, me I build alot

[glass flare]

Ha I want way more than two things. If I worked at HG I would probably want to work on it for most of my career. There's so many untapped possibilities. Hopefully they feel the same for a few years longer

[mint lynx]

My list was longer but worlds part 1&2 addressed most of it
Quite a nice update

The buff the big car got was awesome

The only update I didn't like was the cursed it was filler af

The ships cool though

[runic mesa]

Main thing I wanted for ages was more ship and MT storage. Which I got in spades. Moar stafffffs finally.

Now, just bug fix, plz. And maybe make the exoskiff a proper boat and let us fish sitting down.

[mint lynx]

I was surprised at more ship storage lol
The ammount we had was already alot

[runic mesa]

(I know you can do boats now, HG. I saw the LNF trailer...)

[mint lynx]

Thanks alot now I want a boat
It would fix a few water world issues

[runic mesa]

I'm sick of standing on my ship when the waves go nuts lol. Exoskiff still likes to toss me off.

Or a proper boat we can use with the skiff

[analog breach]

Expand it to futuristic Trimaran boat

[mint lynx]

They should let us place floors on water too it's a pain in the ass

[runic mesa]

Storm fish hunting for the Wonders list was just repeatedly climbing back into the skiff waterlogged.

[native carbon]

Aany shower mow

Aaaaany shower guys

[runic mesa]

It's 8:25pm there now, the window is slowly closing...

[native carbon]

Theres still monday

🙏 🙏 🙏

[mint lynx]

The fishing armor looks so cool because they knew the exp was a hassle , lol.

[cosmic anvil]

Clippy trusts HG and you should too 😊

[native carbon]

Yes

[humble kayak]

cope is kindled

[molten karma]

I still think planets, space, flora, fauna, etc... Can have some more color variety. The terrain is better than ever it literally a mix of all the updates even beloved Pathfinder but better however colors are still a bit limited and lack luster and those brown and gray rocky terrain bits can ruin a planet with more extreme terrain they need to let that texture be any color too.

[mint lynx]

Iirc they already said their happy with the current themes and style so I don't think that will happen

[humble kayak]

so if we dont hear anything tomorrow ig we wont see an update til the 27th

[molten karma]

I think it could still happen everyone thought so about Worlds but look at that I think as long as their is community want for it there will be a way. All we need is another Visions but on a slightly bigger scale. Visions added a lot of color to the NEXT era of the game however it was still lackluster compared to PRENEXT colors. However whats weird there is some planet colors for some of the new planets that go against the art style in terms of saturation and contrast so I don't think it'd be to far fetch that it could be seen as the ground work to expand upon it further at some point. Like I've seen some planets with really harsh, red, greens, and blues be added literally the RGB lol but I wouldn't say its impossible I doubt they layed all that ground work for spawning new star systems to only do it once.

Like under the hood to be able to have new generations and seeds without a whole universe reset is kind of wild and that must've been a massive technical under taking. Even games without a whole universe of procgen and just with random gen like 7 Days To Die break worlds every single update. So I can see them doing more variation updates at a later date maybe just not this soon but who knows.

[mint lynx]

7 days to die casually removed half it's features over the years too thou

[molten karma]

Those features are them overthinking every little thing and which is why the community calls them the fun police instead of the fun pimps. Their feature removals have nothing to do with their generation but survival mechanics. They're making it more of a looter shooter RPG instead of a survival sandbox game. Removing jars for dew collectors, perks skill system instead of learn from doing, changing pois from places to loot or touch up to glorified half ass dungeons. Removing unique clothing systems to sell micortransactions. Removing Wellness and temperature for stupid badges. Refused to add zombie children removed football player zombies and stripper zombie because of immersion but add a mummy like zombie and yeti like enemy. They fell hard however none of the removed stuff had to do with generation the one goodish thing the game does despite the dungeon aspect being ass is the fact they generally add 100s of pois every update.

[safe quarry]

I do have a feeling about the opening night live event tomorrow for Gamescom. I think 27th is still the sensible prediction, but there's a few discrepencies with how they've left things that make me feel they are waiting on something particular (same as the delay to beacons turned out to be to coincide with the Switch 2 launch.) and the only two things this month were the anniversary, and now Gamescom's opening night live event.

Patches ending with a rather small one tying up loose ends on the 23rd July, the expedition being server side from the start of the month. It feels they were in a state to release something early August, but are holding back for something.

Or they are simply all hands on deck for LNF development at the moment. which again alludes to new soon.

[mint lynx]

If a emoji releases today I'll eat my shoe but the data is not looking good

There was two brief Monday releases in 2023 then were back to the weekend until almost 2021

[safe quarry]

Even if i turn out to be right about Gamescom (which I don't think I will be) we won't see an emoji today, as they wouldn't want to show their hand prematurely.

And I bet those two monday emojis were for smaller drops, not a potential big summer update.

[mint lynx]

I'm team not Monday to be clear aha
The first Monday from most recent to oldest is singularity

[safe quarry]

ah yush. Which was an expedition only, and kind of a precursor to Echoes, so they probably didn't want to delay it as it would hold back echoes.

[native carbon]

There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no nms emoji

[safe quarry]

Oh apparently games shown at the opening live event have to be on the show floor for the rest of the event too. So yup! Back to the 27th it is.

Unless they've changed their policy, we'd know by now if HG is in attendance.

altho now i'm seeing conflicting evidence on that. So nvm. Who knows!

Because apparently Elden Ring and Kojima's games have been at ONL but had no floor presence.

[safe widget]

The Abyss/Void Mother is such an interesting entity. If Atlas created and simulated all life within its confines, Atlantid would have to be like the death/rebirth/reincarnation of Atlas, right? Her harmonic voice is powerful enough to give Sentinels enough will to sever their connection to Atlas and program them a new directive to archive/save the simulation.

But what bugs me is what I like to call "The Prophecy of Sixteen". Nearing its end, someone appears before Atlas, outstretching their arm to it, but who? The true creator of Atlas? Iteration null? Atlantid? Who?

[sour fossil]

I think VM is Emily from Waking Titan ARG, or at least that's the consensus of some people

[safe widget]

I never knew the details of that ARG

I know its important somehow

[safe quarry]

The only part i've not been able to reconcile, and @grizzled apex has better theories to explain this (timey wimey stuff.) Is if the Void Mother is a part of the simulation, then surely she's as constrained to the physical 16 minute hard limit as the rest of the simulation?
Yet she seems to have some solution to reach the 19th minute? That would be kind of like a Sim in the Sims being able to stop me from turning off the power to my computer so the game would keep going.
Only thing I can think of is that this hard storage that is represented by the realm of glass has some physical presence in the 'real world' that lets her outlive the limit of the Atlas' dwindling power supply?

Or as Bomberboi explains it, kind of going into the past, reversing time? Time loop?

(I still maintain that they're dragging this plot thread out because there's some tie to light no fire, and the strange 'lady in the lake' style hand we see in the trailer being some representation of the void mother.)

One of these where thematically they can be separated by sci-fi and fantasy respectively, but for those who want to reach for a connection, there's some enigmatic subtext to both's lore that connects the two.

Something like: LNF lore: the mother dreams the world and it exists.
NMS lore: It's a form of inception, simulations within simulations extending the time to the event horizon, so the void mother's dream of LNF within the simulation is a way to outlive the limitation of the 'top layer' computing.

[safe widget]

I do think Atlas is unknowingly subjected to some sort of loop. Thats how it cant see beyond Sixteen. Someone, other than those of us who refused Atlas, is rebooting it.

[grizzled apex]

I believe (especially after WPII), that the Void Mother's goal of surviving till the 19th minute is moreso talking about restoring the Atlas simulation to a state before the fall of Korvax prime, since our act of restoring the Void Mother (and the purple Star systems) is the last traveller patching in an older version of the simulation into the current timeline, which makes me believe that the 19th minute is backwards in time rather than after the Atlas' death. The rememberance logs count down the minutes till the Atlas' death too, starting from 16 remaining.

[safe widget]

And the Rememberance tells us that its "not alone". Possibly implying that someone is there to console Atlas in its despair

[safe quarry]

This is something too that I'm just not smart enough to follow hehe. At the end of the story its shown that we're reaching the end of the 16 minutes, but travellers like Null have seen the end and the loop. So we're clearly not at the hard limit 16 minutes?

Is it more that each iteration of the simulation can only last 16 minutes?

And not that the Atlas literally has 16 minutes left of juice?

[safe widget]

I personally think the flow of time differs. In reality, yes: 16 minutes until Atlas's death/reboot

But in-simulation, that time could be stretched to days, weeks, months, years, decades, millenia- who knows

[safe quarry]

So its almost like simulations running in parallel within the same galaxy?

[safe quarry]

Oh yes, the idea that in computing terms, 16 minutes is a long long time. I guess the bit that threw me is the end of the story implying the simulation is ending because the Atlas is. Not that its just rebooting another go around.

[grizzled apex]

I think the Atlas' 16 minutes being a physical, actual limit is a given imo, since the Last Traveller (and Telamon being attached to said last traveller) appear to have been created to test if the Atlas can prevent its death (one of the boundary failure logs mentions the Atlas talking to Telamon post physicality about how "the test has failed")

[safe widget]

Whoa. That is an interesting idea! I also had a hunch that Atlantid was rebuilding Atlas. Kinda like a self-built replacement of Telamon

[grizzled apex]

Not running parallel imo, moreso being restored from "deleted" memory (potentially the world of glass?)

[safe quarry]

Oh so it's not running simulations for the fun of it? It's simulating the galaxy in the hopes of finding a solution to its finite life? And each iteration it comes up blank so restarts the test with a new traveller/simulation of its creator?

[sour fossil]

when spawning the purple system, the galaxy map UI shows something like "Stellar Manifestation // Erased Sector Restored" or something like that

[safe quarry]

Would make sense why its tied Telamon to you then. Its an observer to collect data.

[sour fossil]

Hence I also think it's about restoring previously deleted data

[safe widget]

I should reread those logs. I always reread them for fresh perspective

[safe quarry]

We know the Atlas isn't fully omnipotent to its own simulation because it wants you to feed it data.

It's almost like the Atlas can simulate, but it can't observe its own creation, needs the brain scan of its creator to have something which can experience it.

[safe widget]

And he pays us Nanites for the trouble lol

[grizzled apex]

There's atleast ONE simulation where the Atlas is attempting to forsee its death, based on the rememberance terminals, although I'm not sure if that's our version of the simulation (IE the game as it is), since the rememberance logs mention actual changes to the game during the final 16 minutes (seeing other travellers, etc)

[safe widget]

Its strange that Atlas even has his own language. Why would it need to do that unless if maybe its language is like...encrypted data/hidden truth?

The Messengers of Atlas always relay cryptic, existential messages

Almost revealing to us our role

[grizzled apex]

I don't think that's entirely true. Telamon (Atlas Subprotocol) explicitly states that they once observed a multitude of worlds simultaneously, and are now locked to the last traveller's perspective.

[safe quarry]

OMG... don't tell my Professor cynical was right and we are getting a new game mode which is going to be an alternate version of the game born of the void mother and the 19th minute being achieved. 🤣

[safe quarry]

But does... don't have a better word for it... Atlas prime... have that ability? or was that just Telamon as its security protocol?

[safe widget]

"Where I once saw infinite worlds"

[analog breach]

More simulations. More attempts , saving time.

[safe quarry]

"Telamon is a program created by the Atlas to analyze scenarios and provide insights into the simulation" Ah so again it seems to be the atlas itself isn't omnipotent

it needed Telamon to be so. Curious it would limit itself by tying it to us.

[grizzled apex]

There's also a distinction made between previous travellers, and the player (the last traveller / anomaly)

[grizzled apex]

Where's this dialogue from?

[safe quarry]

Oh I don't want to say :p lets just say it's not dialogue from the game :p

[safe widget]

I wonder what unforgivable act -null- commited to where Travelers "lost the road to paradise".

Was it when he ate the other Travellers to live eternally?

[grizzled apex]

They're known to have killed and consumed traveller echoes to extend their own life

[analog breach]

Its cynical yes ?

[safe quarry]

You think cynical cares about the story! hehe.

[analog breach]

He creates his own

[grizzled apex]

I think the consumption isn't the main sin here, but moreso their "defiance" of the Atlas after being told they could not experience all of creation

[safe widget]

And that somehow angered Atlas to not speak to null?

Ohh

I feel like Atlas's silence is somehow significant. It stays silent when called 5 times. It answers on the 6th. And it stays silent when asked philosophical questions

Possibly because it struggles with its own purpose

Even when Atlas got the cold-shoulder to its creators, it stood silent

[safe quarry]

One day that big atlas ball is going to open up, and it's going to be a wizard of oz moment: We'll see Sean sat inside there pulling all the strings.

[safe widget]

I would hate that lol

[safe quarry]

See if you take AtlAS and TElamoN, remove all the letters except SEAN....!!!! :p

[safe widget]

I see Atlas more like that paint robot from Wall-e. VN-GO. It deals with insanity but still creates

[safe quarry]

I would say that's more likely. A machine having to face existential dread.

'Do Robots dream of Electric Sheep?'

[safe widget]

Or maybe like Xenosaga's U-DO. Just this being that craves to learn and observe

[safe widget]

Also Atlas: simulates mechanical goat-like entities

[safe quarry]

hehe it's a very old but famous novel from the period that NMS' original art style was inspired by.

You might know it better by its movie name: Blade Runner.

[safe widget]

Android Hell is a real place and it is called the World of Glass

[safe quarry]

I mean technically the realm of glass is absolutely an analogy for the simulations afterlife.

Does that make Autophage robotic zombies? Since they are those who returned?

[safe widget]

But why refer to it as glass? Maybe because its see-through or like a window?

[safe quarry]

Or like the monitor of a screen?

[icy citrus]

Glass storage

Referenced during the ARG

[safe quarry]

Oooh i missed this! That is cool! So the realm of glass was alluded to all the way back for Atlas Rises???

[icy citrus]

Yes

[safe widget]

Nah, I think Autophage were just Korvax that could hear Atlantid and it gave them a form of free-will tk the point Korvax saw it as heresy and just dropped em from the Convergeance

[safe quarry]

wow! I thought this whole plotline came about around the time the void mother plotline began.

[safe widget]

They "returned" because they rebuilt their shells

[icy citrus]

They even had a site set up that was selling the storage

[grizzled apex]

The imagery of 6 cries likely originates from that initial interaction with it's creator.

[safe quarry]

I thought they were the ones who 'died' during the destruction of Korvax prime, but the void mother saved in the realm of glass' data storage?

[icy citrus]

Mind backups too

[safe quarry]

I feel i need to give back my atlas pass 4. I am not worthy.

[grizzled apex]

The original korvax are what eventually became the Autophage I believe, and the original convergence hivemind is what the void Mother actually is iirc

Although the Korvax have some very strange origin stories

[icy citrus]

You are worthy, there is a ton over the years

[safe widget]

So is Glass storage like...servers being sold?

[safe quarry]

I was so giddy when I got the envelope. With lots of peeps getting theres I thought I would be one of the unlucky ones.

[grizzled apex]

I swear there's a tidbit in one of the factories or during starbirth which alludes to the Korvax initially being flesh organisms, alongside a Colossal archive entry theorizing about this from the POV of a Korvax scientist, as well as the Void Mother being called a "brain formed in the void"

[safe widget]

Fascinating. I should seek out more factories

[icy citrus]

Mine sits inside the disc box

[icy citrus]

With the ARG it was - this took place before the Atlas - like early versions of it

[safe quarry]

There is a novel i read called 'children of memory' which I won't go into too much detail, but its the idea that through a collective conscious or simulation, a consciousness can start to form all of its own.

[safe widget]

Korva

[icy citrus]

Tchaikovsky

[safe widget]

"The Korva stuttered"

[safe quarry]

The wolf in the peripheral.

[grizzled apex]

Afaik, there were Korvax who were enslaved / melted down by the gek. These rebelled against the first spawn and eventually formed the Korvax race we see today.

There's a splinter group of Korvax who tried to flee Korvax prime within the lifeboats we saw in They who Returned. These lifeboats are covered in Atlantideum, which might be what the VM uses to "preserve" things? This splinter group is what seems to form the Autophage

[safe quarry]

The idea of some sort of observing consciousness starting to form about of the repetitive loop of the simulation stuck on repeat... it almost sounds like i'm talking about NMS come to think of it!

[safe widget]

Its sad when you realize Nal was actually the good Vy'keen and Hirk just killed him out of jealousy, throwing the Vy'keen into a devastating Sentinel war

[safe quarry]

You're probably right that they would introduce the corvettes without much rhyme or reason, but it does feel like a shame not to introduce them narratively as somehow linked to the autophage and the realm of glass.

[safe quarry]

Kane and Abel.

[safe widget]

Pretty much.

[icy citrus]

Bit early for the corvettes yet, I think

Next year

[safe quarry]

I think you're right. a 10th anniversary update maybe.

[grizzled apex]

If the VM Arc doesn't conclude this year, I think that might be what the 10 Year Anniversary could be building upto

[safe quarry]

We know the teams kind of rotate out between updates, so the fact those tidbits came with WP2, makes me think its the team responsible for that who are working on corvettes.

[safe widget]

I kinda thought the VM arc ended as soon as we opened up the Purple star systems to the public, no?

Atlantid literally thanked us

[grizzled apex]

It's where the "prophecy" from They who Returned ends, yes. But it is a lil anticlimactic as an end to a multi year saga imo

[safe quarry]

If we don't see some physical representation of the VM before this is all said and done, i will be sad.

A purple analogue to the atlas stations

[grizzled apex]

Tbf, we haven't seen the "true" Atlas interface at the center either (and likely never will)

[safe quarry]

So that's where Sean is hiding in-game.

[safe widget]

Yeah. I kinda see her being depicted as a sparking purple humanoid figure with many tendrils (tendrils similar to living ships) and a sillouhette of a black starscape

But thats just my imagination

[safe quarry]

I envision her looking like.. hmm i dunno:

[grizzled apex]

The VM's equivalent to Atlas Interfaces as a place where she can communicate with us would likely be reality glitches, much like the original weekend missions where we strengthened her grip on the universe, and the Sunken freighter in Omega where she talks directly to the Atlas

A thematic opposite to the geometric precision of the Atlas stations, in a way

[safe widget]

Atlas if he turns mideval

[safe quarry]

hehe, and then you have her prophets, the Korvax:

[native carbon]

The emoji doesnt exist

[safe widget]

That is one BIG Knowledge Stone

[grizzled apex]

My biggest hope for LNF is that they have a separate writing team going in which stays consistent throughout the game's life. Greg Buchanan isn't even listed on the new NMS press page despite freelancing the entire Artemis storyline, weekend missions, and derelict freighter lore for some reason

[safe quarry]

I do think he was brought in mainly to set that groundwork for them and they have rolled with it from there on, yes. And done what works for their content plans. It would be nice to feel like there is some intent there from the start, without any retconning.

Which is not me saying NMS feels that way, I don't think they have retconned anything, but I think they have used plot threads left loose to continue with, smartly.

[analog breach]

Yeah. We didint even had a glimpse of VM. But space stations can see her wth

[safe quarry]

Like the realm of glass being mentioned back in Waking Titan is probably a hook left open so they could do something with it.

[grizzled apex]

There's a difference between leaving loose ends and cutting up a pattern and letting the ends tangle up, which is what a lot of the lore progression feels like imo

Theyve done a great job at keeping the VM story consistent though, I will huge then credit for that, especially for building a storyline out of a one-off factory name-drop from several years ago

[safe quarry]

I think this is why you always need someone on staff who acts as your lore champion, and slaps wrists if someone goes on a tangent. It feels since the VM story started, they've had someone on staff with that side role.

And probably the person who smacked Youtooz hand recently over the naming!

[grizzled apex]

The audio files from singularity also spectographed to say "She sees through their eyes", which makes me wonder if the VM exists more or less through a collective sum of her "children", kinda like that one Autophage monolith which talks about feeling "creatures" all over you when you "become the void mother" as part of the vision

[grizzled apex]

That was nice to see, if a lil surprising. I wonder if they're gonna develop this difference b/w previous travellers and the "anomaly" last travellers later then

Does Youtooz do merch Easter eggs like Fangamer? Or are they just standard plushes

[analog breach]

Still would be nice to get any glimpse of her even as vision

[safe quarry]

I don't know, but I do feel no one is going to be more pedantic about naming conventions than the fans die hard enough to buy plushies. You don't mess around with that audience for any fandom.

Especially if they do lurk this discord and see how particular discussions get here! That's right I see you HG employee lurking! If i'm right about Gamescom, you owe me a studio tour. :p I will even go to Captain Steve's meetup and buy you a beverage of choice if i have to!

Apparently some HG employees did pop on over for a drink after Captain steve left them some kind of thank you gift at their office.

[analog breach]

Thats nice

[safe quarry]

Yes ❤️ well HG also usually sends them a cake with the latest update key art printed on it.

[analog breach]

Them?

[safe quarry]

The No Man's sky meetup

Captain Steve does a meetup at a pub around the corner from HG's studio every year.

I want to say its this weekend in fact.

And though usually HG doesn't make a physical appearance, some of them working late did last time

[analog breach]

Ooh to steves meetup. Gotcha

[safe quarry]

but they always have a cake delivered to the meetup

oh mhm! yes you already know about it ❤️

Some of Captain Steve's wild speculation is they had to drop the update before the meetup or else they wouldn't have anything to print on the cake. 🤣

[gloomy isle]

Imo the void mother probably doesn't have a form

The way she's described, especially in relation to the atlantideum and the purple systems make me think this

It's as if she's less of a tangible entity and more of a sentient memory/ idea

If anything, her "true" form is the purple systems, corruption, autophages etc

Imo at least

I feel like if she has a true form it would take away from a core aspect of what she is. Unless she returned as a new korvax prime I guess

Though I don't know how that would work or if it's even viable

I guess, on paper, it would be possible to make a unique planet with a special terrain which resembles giant circuits or something

And special textures and stuff

Though I don't know what it would add besides being a story location and a place people build together

Sorry for the wall of text lol

[safe quarry]

hehe nothing compared to some of mine so you are fine ❤️ and you definitely need to read 'children of memory' after that, pretty much what you described. Tho the first two novels are better IMO, but conceptually its my favourite.

[short snow]

Lore channel?

Oh yes

[safe quarry]

corvettes there equilibrium restored 🙂

[analog breach]

Ship racing

[native carbon]

The emoji doesnt exist

Theres no emoji

[analog breach]

Never was

[native carbon]

Beacon is the last nms update ever

[analog breach]

There will be no summer from now on

[native carbon]

Yup

No more updates

No more patch notes

And light no fire does not exist and you need to wake up

[cosmic anvil]

Clippy finally gave up? What happened 😭😭

We went full circle from redemption arc to NMS doomerism? 😂

[analog breach]

Just give him few days.

[uncut harness]

It‘s kind of crazy that there‘s still nothing…HG is messing with my plans smh!

[analog breach]

Busy with LNF , maybe they are cookin big nms update, maybe working on other projects. You never know.

[runic mesa]

This hasn't even been the longest wait between updates. 2024 just spoiled us, honestly

[safe quarry]

This is probably it. 2024 was just too good.

When they said in 2023 off the back of LNF that they had big plans for 2024, I thought they were just trying to reassure us that they weren't backbenching NMS now we knew about LNF. But nope, 2024 absolutely was one of the most transformative years for NMS.

[native carbon]

I just want em to fix the game man...

[analog breach]

U can help by reporting all broken things 😃

!hg

[cloud jolt]

Submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[native carbon]

I did like 5 times

And im waiting weeks for a fix

Even a month by now

Maaaan...

[analog breach]

Im waiting years to add undo button for building

[native carbon]

Thats a feature

Not a bug

To be fixed/added

Game glitched something i loved

Me no longer like the game

And for some reason they stopped making patch notes, even if the game is in a bad condition rn.

I thought its cuz of an update but we are waiting like 3 and a half weeks now

Like im sad

[hard summit]

What was it

[native carbon]

Here, this is making me go insane