nms-spoilers

[gray tinsel]

Hm

Seems a little excessive to add another 263 explorable galaxies.
I'm 50h in and I'm not close to getting to another galaxy

[velvet cypress]

you're probably closer than you think

[gray tinsel]

How do you even do that? A black hole just threw me to another place in the same galaxy

[velvet cypress]

a place several thousand ly closer to center.

[regal heron]

you're only a taxi away tbh 😛

[gray tinsel]

Lol

[gray tinsel]

So that's the point of black holes?

[velvet cypress]

black holes always spit you out closer to the center, but it can be anywhere that's closer lol

[gray tinsel]

O lol

That's cool

[regal heron]

black holes are more like wormholes, they will always take you closer to the centre, but they can spit you out on the opposite side of the galaxy from where you entered

[analog breach]

Thats because galaxy is a spiral. And they move you along the spiral rather than in straight line to the center

[unborn raven]

almost time for the first monolith of the day

i wonder what we'll get

hmmm ... it's gek, but one of the rare non-psycho ones. blessed? neutral??

oh, helping was the wrong answer. of course it was.

[merry estuary]

Wait it was?

[plain grove]

Guys

I'm talking to Atlas

Should I scream rejoice or submit

[prime inlet]

again - up to you

🙂

like i said, these decisions are meant for the player to choose - each of us can choose different things, because we interpret lore differently when it's kinda open to ethical things

[dusky kernel]

wrong, rectangle

[dusky kernel]

where'd you get 263 from? there's only 256 accessible

[unborn raven]

yeh lol

had to go to another monolith that told me to kill the weak

[unborn raven]

i revel in atlas. atlas number #1. atlas ftw

[plain grove]

Is an orange system good

[dusky kernel]

orange?

there's only red, green, yellow, and blue stars in nms

[solar cairn]

Galaxy core doesn't matter

Core color*

[dusky kernel]

oh core

Wepaitvas yes, Halsebenk no

[solar cairn]

One of those harsh?

[dusky kernel]

2nd

lush and empty galaxies come in 5 colors, while harsh can come in all 10

honestly dig the 5 green lush galaxies, given the lush galaxy hologram is green to begin with

just feels right instead of selecting it and going somewhere.... orange with a lot of people

[unborn raven]

hey, i just passed halsebenk not too long ago

[dusky kernel]

155 it seems
and you said 164

nice

[unborn raven]

couple days ago i guess

165 now 💪

[dusky kernel]

doing the core-to-core jumping, or summoning exocraft in new galaxy, finding portal, and putting "" method?

[unborn raven]

i use a different code but yes

[dusky kernel]

oh yeah the gateway code

I find it easier to spam the first glyph even if it takes a bit more to get to a gateway system

[unborn raven]

oh, also building a base in every galaxy

i just memorized the other code, it's easy enough

takes way longer to charge the portal lol

ftw

[dusky kernel]

wish I managed to build a base everywhere I've been

there's like 2 galaxies I've been to, but haven't made a portal base in

those would be 83 and 119

[unborn raven]

oof

that would really grate on me lol

you could make bases there easy enough, but they'd be so far out of order ...

[dusky kernel]

my bases are out of order anyways

I call the bases by galaxy names and not the numbers, but I have number decals on the portal so I know what order the galaxy in question is in

[unborn raven]

all my portal bases are Z-Portal #000 GalaxyName - Type

they're all made in order but the game sometimes orders them wrong by like 1-2 spaces anyway. very annoying.

[dusky kernel]

ah

for lush, I put 'I' (the roman numeral) instead of 'Portal' and the names of the other types are engrained in my head

[unborn raven]

damn. i aint memorizing all that

[dusky kernel]

I know a lush galaxy at the anomaly terminal when I see one, but I end up praying and/or peeking at the wiki every other occasion lol

[unborn raven]

i'm a harsh galaxy kind of guy anyway

[dusky kernel]

fav harsh galaxy color?

[unborn raven]

red

[dusky kernel]

ah so 63 and 163

matches the hologram tbh

[unborn raven]

just seems most thematic

could be there are red-like colors i also like as much. im not good with colors

[dusky kernel]

there's only 10 galaxy core colors outside of euclid's white

orange always comes before red and pink

[unborn raven]

lok at this shit. why's 162 before 161. what the hell nms.

[dusky kernel]

ouch

[unborn raven]

hoping i can json them into order or something when im done. idk

[dusky kernel]

they should add base reordering as a feature

[unborn raven]

seriously!!

[dusky kernel]

I'd def reorder the galaxy bases I have if anything

[unborn raven]

also ship reordering. sick to my ass of crossing my entire hangar hall to get in my trash ship for galaxy jumps

[dusky kernel]

like what ship spawns after scrapping?

[unborn raven]

like where ships spawn in the hangar

[dusky kernel]

oh that

they always magically teleport to the back and I don't get it

[unborn raven]

i believe it's to annoy me personally

[dusky kernel]

switching main ships would be cool

"done with scrapping? another ship spawns and it's your choice" said no one ever

[unborn raven]

you can do that with a save editor easy enough if you want but they should add it as a proper feature

[dusky kernel]

honestly

[round perch]

Ah that's the 16 / 16 questline done again

[glass flare]

re: the datamined new stations, the one thing I find interesting in terms of the lore is that the game never says anything about who built the space stations. obviously there's some little things here and there about the station core, and one could make guesses, but ultimately we don't know who built them. and the NPC races never even mention it

[round perch]

They simply are, given the reality we inhabit

[uncut harness]

I always just assumed the different races built them

[glass flare]

Mm to me it seems that either the Sentinels or Atlas created them. i mean they all have exactly the same layout, they have the suspicious-looking station core

[uncut harness]

I doubt the sentinels would create them

The atlas maybe, but the NPCs definitely have the technology to do it themselves

[glass flare]

if they built it themselves then I think stations would share architectural details based on the dominant race of each system, the same way planetary structures are different

[timber sedge]

Maybe the space stations were scripted in a civilisations beginning. Once the civilisation reaches a certain height of technology in their system they build the space station with provided blueprints.

[glass flare]

Also, why would pirates need to hotwire the station core in pirate systems? it's probably to avoid the Sentinels tracking activity

[timber sedge]

Yeah they sever the Aeron uplink I believe

[dusky kernel]

how are the 'harmonic' camps harmonized if they're all made out of station cores

...if the cores were also removed to make them

is the harmony related to the whole freedom movement or are they opposites

[round perch]

I insist there's a 3rd faction of Sentinels at play, thus being able to rebuff both the Atlas influence (which is practically already lost) and outside of the influence of The Abyss/Void Mother, which seems to be behind the Voice of Freedom

[glass flare]

dunno, I think the camps present more questions than answers at the moment, until we get more lore dumps

[round perch]

But we need more dumps yes

[dusky kernel]

is it several inhabitants that know they are in a simulation, like nada and polo are, that are leading the voice of freedom? who's the ones knowing? are they people who drank the water?

[round perch]

Don't think Nada/Polo are involved, they are content making discoveries, having friends and sharing a space and joy with each other.

[dusky kernel]

the point is that they're anomalies (and fled)

[round perch]

The closest Iteration is Adriande or however you spell it, that is tied to the Sentinels, the lore and Abyss itself

[dusky kernel]

they knew more than their brethren

[round perch]

Mhm, At least Nada knew. But doesn't imply they have something to do with it, in fact, they are hiding from the known simulation

[dusky kernel]

clearly someone, likely a group of people as it's called a chorus, who know more have to be leading the voice of freedom

[dusky kernel]

Yes.
but the fact that Nada knew to begin with is what I'm getting at

the faction that is the voice knows and is clearly against the Atlas

[glass flare]

hiding in vain I guess. the Sentinel Pillar lore says that the Sentinels know about Nada/Polo and the Anomaly, they just choose not to do anything about it A Korvax and a Gek fled their people. Hands held in the void, they inhabited an anomaly. A meeting place in the stars. A nexus. A place of hope. We left it alone. We did not interfere. We just watched them, and wondered.

[round perch]

Oh yeah no argument here on the knowing part, I've forgot Nada knew. Been ages since I played the Artemis questline

[round perch]

Which is touching in a way, I've finished all the pillars yesterday myself. I think they are left alone despite being known because they actively pulled out of the simulation as much as they could.

But they remain curious, both sides.

Polo wanting to understand the intricacies and mechanics of the simulation and the Sentinels wondering about what drives the anomalies maybe? It's all so fun to dig through

[solar cairn]

Going through boundary failure logs

"Lifeforms instilled with a genetic proclivity to trade, fight, study, and explore cannot be held responsible for pursuing those directives, no more than I could be held responsible for my own. I pity them, just as I pity their creator."

Well, Telamon has gained sentience.

And The Traveller is a designated lifeform according to this

Telamon has seen the world of glass

[timber sedge]

Telamon is such a cool story point. A security subsystem that uses to keep that atlas in check imprisoned in the exosuit of every traveller

[glass flare]

even worse, Telamon was a real person whose consciousness was trapped inside the simulation, and Atlas somehow forced them to serve as a mindless program

[unborn raven]

atlas stays winning

atlas is a benevolent creator. telamon is a genetic essentialist. smdh at siding with telamon

[gray tinsel]

So I just finished the Atlas Path and chose to not reset the simulation

That's it?

It ended so abruptly, I can't believe all 3 main missions end like this

I can't believe I finished No Man Skyz this doesn't feel like the end😭

But I did almost everything, all overseer, all specialist, a taste of metal, all paths

Man

W game

Now I move on to find a Paradise planet with Vkyeen in it in Pirate controlled blue star system

And settle down

[unborn raven]

it's time to get to galaxy #255 now

[gray tinsel]

What's so special about it

Just because it's the last?

I can just gylph there

[cloud plume]

you can take a uber to it so it's not a great achivement.

but the greatest achivement in this game is to have fun, whenever you play and wherever you go

[unborn raven]

its the last galaxy. the real endgame is building a base in every galaxy.

[merry estuary]

No, glyphs are galaxy specific

[gray tinsel]

Whaaa

So if I see something awesome in another galaxy on YT

I gotta get to that galaxy first??

Is that why Apollo couldn't find me??

[mental socket]

Apollo exists in another iteration/ layer of the simulation. Same galaxy, different "time"

[gray tinsel]

I thought it was an alternative universe instead of a different time

Also what's the difference between going to the center on the universe and resetting the atlas?

Center of the universe*

Do I lose anything by resetting btw? My learned knowledge or recipes or words or faction standing?

[timber sedge]

I believe its another iteration of the universe as well. The Atlas created a multiverse afterall, and as the walls fall apart we can see fellow travellers such as Apollo

[timber sedge]

Dont think you lose anything like that

[merry estuary]

You dont lose anything

[gray tinsel]

Awesome

[merry estuary]

You will break every single technology on your suit, ship and MT, but you wont lose anything

:]

[dusky kernel]

By the look of it, you seemed to have wasted the only time you could've jumped forward several galaxies at once

Now you can experience the true joy of core jumping

one
by
one

[merry estuary]

Dont scare the poor guy away lol

[timber sedge]

@merry estuary remember how were theorising what the autophages purpose was yesterday? Have you seen the text they display when interacted with?

[merry estuary]

I did think I saw it, but not these

Funny.

[timber sedge]

This is very interesting. Ive come across a few autophages, but never had access to a compiled list of them

[merry estuary]

Same here. Feel like it should be clear who they talking about, but I cant make it out yet, give me a moment

Must be the Korvax

And/or korvax prime

[timber sedge]

"Forgotten moons of korvax prime" and "still bear the mark of our birthplace"

are they distant relatives of the korvax more closely related to the sentinels?

[merry estuary]

The similarities are very obvious at least, both are synthetic lifeforms

[gray tinsel]

I mean my mission looped

I can just do it and go to the atlas again

Like the final part of getting heart of the sun looped

[merry estuary]

You can do it again, but it wont reward you anything

[gray tinsel]

So I won't be able to choose the galaxy?

[merry estuary]

Im kinda struggling to line up the times of the events, when were Korvax born, when were sentinels created in their physical form, when was Korvax Prime destroyed...

[gray tinsel]

So how do I know if I ended up on a paradise Galaxy or not

[merry estuary]

Galaxy map always shows your current galaxy in the top left

[dusky kernel]

I could always just taxi people but arkane has a valid point

[merry estuary]

Of course taxis exist

[gray tinsel]

Yeah but how do I know if it's a paradise or not, do I need to look it up online?

[icy citrus]

!galaxynames

[cloud jolt]

to view, enable Link Preview

<:NmsAtlas:972222451801010207> Galaxy Names and Types

See image below »
Galaxy #256 (Odyalutai) is only reachable via save editor or joining someone there.

Contributor: u/Changeling209458

[merry estuary]

Thanks Gleam

[dusky kernel]

here ya go all 25 from the rest

They're all separated by 9 or 11 galaxies each

I should make ones for the harshes and empties but there's 26 of each rip

[timber sedge]

Ahh thats alright, its a bit hard to place this all on a timeline. According to my intepretation, Korvax Prime is created by the atlas, which also creates the Korvax as individual simulations. The Aerons came before the Korvax or interacted with due to 3rd sentinel pillar encounter

We awoke to a song, chanted on a thousand frequencies. “Behold the drones of the hive, the walkers, the ships… Eheu! Behold the angels of glass, come from their heaven. Their work is the completion of all things, of life, of worlds. So the Korvax worshipped. So they prayed.
The Vykeen then engaged the Aerons in the Endless War, eventually beating them at a high cost. The Aerons retreated and the Gek First Spawn took advantage of that. They assaulted Korvax Prime and destroyed it for its resources, destroying the first convergence causing the Great Disconnection.

TL;DR
Aeron Creation -> Korvax Prime and Korvax Creation -> Aeron vs Vykeen "Endless War" -> Aerons defeated and retreat beginning the Silence of the Sentinels-> Gek First Spawn destroy Korvax Prime and cause the Great Disconnection -> Enslavement of the Korvax

[icy citrus]

Name checks out

[timber sedge]

Haha thanks

[merry estuary]

Thanks

[lunar olive]

what role does telamon play in the lore

[sour fossil]

Google who was Telamon in mythology and draw the analogy to NMS

[gray tinsel]

Hey guys what happens when you get to the center of the final galaxy?

[sour fossil]

It loops back to Euclid

[gray tinsel]

O

[eternal radish]

Hey, has the dialogue of the Artemis quest/storyline been updated?

Someone DM'ed me a screenshot of dialogue and I didn't remember that part and I have played the story a few times now.

[glass flare]

I don't really think they directly use mythological names as more than names in NMS, I've never seen strong connections to the stories

[white rampart]

random question

is there any like lore reason why red star systems are barely ever inhabited

or is it just a game thing

[glass flare]

it's definitely coded that way, but maybe it's done as a big red shiny Atlas lore thing

[white rampart]

yeah thats kinda what I figured too

[merry estuary]

It may also be because stars tend to go red ish in the last part of their life, and nobody wants to be around a dying star

[bleak magnet]

So confuemsee about the mission the purge , am I suppose to fast travel to each galaxy to get each glymp

[analog breach]

No

Do it in your own pace

[unborn raven]

it's time for the first monolithj of the day. what will we get :o

gek :(

[uncut harness]

It's based on the system you're in

Gek systems give gek monoliths

[bleak magnet]

How do I acquire all 16 glyphs at once kind of annoying having to warp

For main mission

[dusky kernel]

sometimes there are travelers in space stations

[bleak magnet]

Ok

[bleak magnet]

I am doing the main story

Whenever I warp it just gives me one

Looks like imma warp 16 times then

Lol

[unborn bough]

That's the reward for the purge mission 🙂 if you haven't yet, and still have 10 glyphs lest to unlock you can start the atlas path too. Warp to the system that has atlas station, completing each stage of the atlas path and also unlocking glyphs in the process because you've warped.

[uncut harness]

its a pretty quick mission

[lethal olive]

is a rememberance the balls atlas gave me?

says i need one for a spac tation i found

nvm

wtf just found a giant jellyfish

nvm homie chill, gave me water

[void grail]

Who leads the sentinels

[spring hawk]

they're a hivemind, they don't have a leader, they did have a leader, the Atlas, but they cut themselves off from it, so not anymore. ||Well, not including the corrupted sentinels, which do have a "leader" (More like brainwashed to follow), the Abyss.||

[unborn raven]

I know, but galaxy jumping dumps me in a random system, so it's unknown which I'll get

[dusky kernel]

I was at galaxy 158 on another save, had a base at a gateway, jumped and landed on a planet in 159, when I went back and jumped again, I landed on the same planet

wonder if it's like how everybody got dumped on that same planet in galaxy 90 after that one exp

[eternal radish]

So First Spawn Gek stank?

[uncut harness]

Pretty much

Smelly gek

[unborn raven]

yeah they're pretty open about that

[eternal radish]

Welp, another reason I’m glad they’re no longer around 😅

I bet they smelled like dirty litterbox 🤣

[pale hazel]

i hope you don't mind some SLIGHTLY offtopic chat, but there's nms in it so i hope it's fine
also, ASTRONEER spoilers if you've played that game before
||if i had a nickel for everytime i played a game where you explore space environments to gather new and interesting resources, only to find out it's a simulation, i'd have TWO nickels. it's not a lot, but it's pretty cool it happened twice||
||also, astroneer and nms crossover WHEN||

[glass flare]

I couldn't snap the first part of this in time, but it basically sounded like the Traveller was stuck in the Abyss (the place was kzzzt'd out). This interaction is an inside joke because they're asking for Plutonium, but at some point (I think NEXT?) HG switched up a lot of elements and Plutonium became Condensed Carbon. So you can give a "Plutonium substitute" and the Traveller is cool with it. But it's kind of interesting because this Traveller got stuck in the Abyss before that switch happened and still is expecting the player to know what Plutonium is

[heady wyvern]

It's also interesting because plutonium was the large red crystal back in the day, which has been entirely replaced by large red Condensed Carbon crystals.

[sterile quiver]

did the game just say

to artemis

my character just say

"My friend is dead"

so this was the moemnt he knew he died

how did he know

[sterile quiver]

HOLY SHIT

FINALLY

I CAN FINALLY KILL ARTEMIS AND END THIS

he is dead yessir

i can get my reward now

[merry estuary]

He died long ago

If its a he, dunno

[sterile quiver]

theres still more storyt??

omg

i just wanna get the cool floating ball head

[merry estuary]

Thats in the appearance modifier afaik

[sterile quiver]

how do i unlock it

[merry estuary]

I didnt think you need to hold on

[sterile quiver]

do i get a reward for killing artemis

or saving him

[merry estuary]

Do you need one?

||no reward||

[unborn raven]

it'd almost time for the first monolith of the day

[sterile quiver]

😦

[unborn raven]

here we go

a korvax! very good

[ancient pendant]

Don’t you already know what monolith you’re gonna get, if you’re in a korvax system you get a korvax monolith

[unborn raven]

when you galaxy jump you end up in a random system

[ancient pendant]

Ahh so when you do the whole first monolith stuff you’re constantly jumping galaxy?

[unborn raven]

ya

[velvet cypress]

there's nothing significant about animal companions, right? because istg if something made them so needly and cuddly for any reason imma cry

[merry estuary]

What you mean by significant

[surreal terrace]

You can ride them to go fast

That's about it

[merry estuary]

Supposedly they also fight for you or lead you to ruins... but only hearsay to me

[round perch]

They have some niche benefits but otherwise just something to engsage with on the side

Genesplicing and growing

[unborn raven]

and you can use the analysis visor at the same time

[round perch]

The cutest little potat

[late tusk]

:3

hoods kinda...eeeh but cool

[round perch]

Is that modded?

I don't recognize that hood!

[late tusk]

gek hood

currently for community research

not at 100% tho

[round perch]

OOH

SHIT that looks good.

Perfect outlawish vibe

[late tusk]

yee

[round perch]

Am curious how it dyes and what modifications are possible, might make me into a Gek again from a Traveller

[sour fossil]

Does the hood work for any Gek head

Or is it fused with some specific head model?

[late tusk]

you pick the gek hood

and can use any of the other head sizes and types

(cant mix and match with the goggles or those kind of things

[dusky kernel]

I wonder if there's a limit to how far you can get the camera to go in the galaxy map 🤔

might see the WoG if I keep going down at this rate lol

[tough shoal]

is there a time limit on how fast you have to get to the Galaxy center before Atlas wipes

because I'm getting worried with how it keeps giving me those glyphs as I make my way there

[slow hatch]

Nope. You're fine.

[tough shoal]

thank the heavens because I went on a little detour lmao

This game is MUCH much deeper than I expected lol

[slow hatch]

The lore goes even deeper. Enjoy the journey.

[tough shoal]

I found an Abandoned outpost talking about how the Ocean is made of blood and the continents may living creatures that wake up every few million years to eat all life on the planet and have a fresh restart
(there was no ocean on that planet, or million year old continent sized monsters but still cool)

[slow hatch]

Cool! Yeah, you'll find all sorts of things as you go.

[merry estuary]

Prove to me that the continents werent indeed monsters that happened to be sleeping

[unborn raven]

time for the first monolith of the day

good tip my vykeen brothers

[unborn raven]

korvax archive knows what's up

oh, vykeen actually

[round perch]

If only they knew..

[unborn raven]

observation: the "reset the galaxy" end to the storyline doesn't make any sense in the context of the actual game mechanics. you demonstrably are not resetting anything, since the galaxy you leave behind continues to run, and the options not chosen remain available.

vestigial lore oversight, or the smoking gun proving that Atlas is a big red liar?

[dusky kernel]

Wish it was phrased differently so that people aren't like "oh no I don't wanna start over" and never leave Euclid

[unborn raven]

yeah but isn't that kind of how atlas wants you to see things

[solar cairn]

Think about it as a Single player perspective

In essence, new seed, new generation. It did technically "reset" that iteration. However there are many iterations. All you did was just start a new one

[unborn raven]

that's not what a reset is tho?

[solar cairn]

If you think of "Reset" as a big red button to restart everything. Then no.

[craggy plover]

Zodium the entire game is simulation theory. Nothing is real but Atlas. Atlas was supercomputer. Supercomputer go poop. Keeps making travelers (iterations) to try to help not shut down.

[solar cairn]

Reset not restart

[craggy plover]

So. When you get to Atlas it askes you to "turn it off and on again"

[solar cairn]

Like a big refresh button

[craggy plover]

Is basically jt

[solar cairn]

Not even on and off.

[unborn raven]

you arent turning it off

[solar cairn]

It's more like. Refresh the browser

[unborn raven]

it's not a reset in any sense of the word. the only reason to think it's a reset is because Atlas tells you it's a reset.

[craggy plover]

It's literally.

You're in a program bro

Atlas is the only real thing so to speak

[unborn raven]

you aren't resetting the program

[solar cairn]

Not Restart

Reset

Restart ≠ Reset

[craggy plover]

When you click that option, do you wake up on another planet as if you did in the beginning of the game?

[unborn raven]

right. you aren't "resetting" anything at all about euclid, you're traveling through a series of preexisting galaxies, which eventually loops back around to euclid.

[solar cairn]

You get to choose the next type of galaxy

[craggy plover]

Is this lore or mechanics?

[solar cairn]

Essentially "to set differently"

[unborn raven]

it's fitting lore to mechanics

[craggy plover]

Because that's not how things work

Ok. Have fun

[unborn raven]

if you galaxy jump from 255, you go back to euclid

[craggy plover]

Yup

[solar cairn]

Both actually. The galaxy core is the reset. To go to the next galaxy. Only at the end of the main quest does it let you choose type

[craggy plover]

Aeron

[unborn raven]

all the 255 galaxies already exist before you do the first galaxy jump

[craggy plover]

No

[solar cairn]

Which is explained in lore "Eventually the Atlas ran out of iterations and started repeating itself"

[craggy plover]

Aeron you are speaking PURELY mechanics, he is not

[unborn raven]

this is the lore channel fyi

[solar cairn]

There were millions of races, then 10, then 5, then 3

[craggy plover]

No

Literally no

[solar cairn]

Atlas is breaking down. Caught in a feedback loop. Thus it repeats

[craggy plover]

It's literally. A computer. Beep bloop.

[unborn bough]

There were always the triad, nothing else.

[solar cairn]

You still reset, in the definition I sent. It's just that's the capacity Atlas can do now

[unborn raven]

nobody's saying it isn't? i dont know who you're arguing with, but it's not me

the "reset" doesn't reset anything in any sense of the word tho

[solar cairn]

The millions were in boundary failure lore. Before the final 3

[dusky kernel]

Does one simulation comprise Euclid (different galaxies being different simulations) or all 256 galaxies?

[craggy plover]

The guy speaking purely mechanics based

[solar cairn]

It. Does. I just said that

[craggy plover]

Omg

[solar cairn]

Technically 1 galaxy. 1 iteration

[unborn raven]

ok but you're demonstrably wrong. euclid is not reset, it keeps going exactly as it is.

[tough shoal]

I'd think they're all seperate simulations running simultaneously tbh

[solar cairn]

Because you go back. Not continue

[unborn raven]

for it to be a "reset" of the galaxy, euclid would have to change somehow.

[solar cairn]

You undo the reset

[unborn raven]

thus it isn't a reset

[craggy plover]

Reset. Electronics. Turn binaries to 0

[solar cairn]

No it doesnt

[solar cairn]

A reset the simulation. Is not Euclid. It's a new simulation.

You aren't resetting Euclid.

[dusky kernel]

And it's not like you can go between the galaxies, because the iteration makes a new copy of the (already copied) traveler in it to explore and whatnot

[unborn raven]

nothing changes anywhere when you push the button

nothing is being set to zero

[craggy plover]

Bro

Ok

Nvm

[solar cairn]

bruh the new galaxy has new generation ,and new seeds

[unborn raven]

it's literally just Atlas using "reset"

[solar cairn]

It's not

[dusky kernel]

Rewmanawa me is technically different from Eissentam me. Damn

[unborn raven]

moog why do you keep using strikeout

[dusky kernel]

yes

obligatory edit: Is there a well-defined reason that I should not, in this case, strike out my text?

[craggy plover]

That wasn't an answer

[solar cairn]

But I'm not gonna continue to argue with a person who now has a history of ignoring facts for what they think and twists information to keep what they believe relavent

[craggy plover]

Wow

Idk who you talking to aeron but settle please

[unborn raven]

the premise of the discussion here is that Atlas isn't a reliable narrator, op. you can continue exasperatedly asserting that Atlas is a reliable narrative and that's that if you like, but it is not very compelling lol

[solar cairn]

Not you. I have no idea who you are frankly

[craggy plover]

Cool

Sounds dandy

[vestal ledge]

Damn we getting heated in the NmS lore channel

[solar cairn]

And we demonstrated that it does. Many times. That you ignore

Just like gek lore

I'm done

[unborn raven]

you've just asserted that Atlas is a reliable narrator like 12 times

[craggy plover]

Bro

[unborn raven]

there's no other source for anything being a reset

[solar cairn]

Is 12 > or < 1

[unborn raven]

and it makes no sense

[craggy plover]

Wow

[vestal ledge]

Atlas is a reliable narrator but it’s plagued by various glitches and anomalies beyond its control, that it cannot explain,

Thus

[craggy plover]

Ok my bad aeron you right

[dusky kernel]

Isn't the ATLAS known to be a liar...?

[solar cairn]

No

That's a different AI

[unborn raven]

yeah thats the premise of my thesis here

[solar cairn]

Emily or something like that

[vestal ledge]

Telamon?

[craggy plover]

computer crash ok let's turn it off and on again same computer crash ok turn if off and on again.

Repeated.
That's the lore

[solar cairn]

No, Telamon was a subroutine of Atlas before it's exile

Emily comes from the ARG

[unborn raven]

the lore heavily telegraphs that atlas is a liar, and the fact that it tells you you're "resetting" the galaxy when that demonstrably is not the case seems to heavily suggest Atlas is a big red liar

[dusky kernel]

Emily was essentially an earlier iteration of the ATLAS

[solar cairn]

In pinned comment

Yes. But not Atlas.

[solar cairn]

1 misinterpretation of a "liar" doesn't say anything when the one source had been challenged

[merry estuary]

Is the reset not what brings the other galaxies into existence? Is how I understood it

[dusky kernel]

I see. How does the attribute of lying connect over, if at all?

[craggy plover]

Atlas is a computer and you are information in the computer. If you don't know what simulation theory is then go read a wiki

Fing geesh

[solar cairn]

it doesn't even imply we reset Euclid

[unborn raven]

that's not a reset tho

[uncut harness]

In a more simple term, each time you reset the Atlas, you're creating a new universe with that universe.
A simulation of a universe, inside a simulation of a universe.

[craggy plover]

He's trolling

[merry estuary]

A reset as in, you repeat the galaxy creation process

[craggy plover]

Or mentally incapable of understanding anything other than literals

[solar cairn]

I've already given them the definition

[unborn raven]

that's not what a reset is!!

[craggy plover]

Shut up

[merry estuary]

I know, relax

[craggy plover]

Literally

Bye

[solar cairn]

For the new people

[unborn raven]

that is the entire premise of the thesis here lol

[craggy plover]

No it isnt

[solar cairn]

And your thesis is not correct

[merry estuary]

What are you even arguing about

[solar cairn]

That "Reset the simulation" does nothing

[unborn raven]

they're very certain atlas is a reliable narrator and think any discussion to the contrary is trolling

[craggy plover]

Imo zodium is trying to troll Aeron

[solar cairn]

Because if a technicality that "reset" is not used properly

[unborn raven]

aeron is trolling himself

[craggy plover]

Bye

[merry estuary]

Great, both think the other is trolling

[tame grotto]

[unborn raven]

i don't think anyone is trolling

[tame grotto]

Stop.

Move on.

[solar cairn]

Excuse me?

[tame grotto]

Block.

Take debates to DMs.

[merry estuary]

How about you both be quiet and let the lore channel in peace

[tame grotto]

No drama. In Spoilers of all places.

[solar cairn]

Thanks

[merry estuary]

Anyway, as I was saying

[craggy plover]

Sorry. Take care

[merry estuary]

Reset

[dusky kernel]

I'd say they're used interchangeably, but it's already enough of a mess rn

[solar cairn]

Imma go vibe to music.

[tame grotto]

As I said, agree to disagree and/or block. Also welcome to move debates to DMs.

[merry estuary]

I understood it so the reset atlas talks about creates a new galaxy, and yes I know thats not what reset means, but NMS doesnt know what its saying half the time anyway

[unborn raven]

i don't understand why i can't pose a discussion about the lore without being told to "shut the f ck up" and told i'm "trolling"

[dusky kernel]

...might contemplate the motives of the abyss now

[merry estuary]

I wanted to discuss something different :(

Only coincidentally has to do with reset

[dusky kernel]

Part of me wants to know what earlier, more diverse ATLAS simulations of millions of races would look like honestly

[solar cairn]

Saaaame

[merry estuary]

I wanna know why they reduced the amount

[solar cairn]

Maybe they look like the ambassadors in the anomaly?

[merry estuary]

Too much computing power?

[solar cairn]

Or the other wonky faces (no offense admins) travellers we see

[unborn raven]

it's common for simulations to converge on particular patterns

[dusky kernel]

Its systems started failing, and the galaxies it pumped out started looking the same with the same races everywhere

[merry estuary]

I thought the detailed simulations were seperate ones?

Like, before collaps?

[solar cairn]

Though, some boundary failure logs tells us those are not "travellers" as time travel is not possible and White Hole aberrations

[merry estuary]

Time shifts can and did happen though

[solar cairn]

Yeah, which is odd. But asynchronicity isn't Time Travel necessarily

Boundary Failure lore is wild

[merry estuary]

I did not say it was time travel

And yes, lore is wild

[solar cairn]

You right

My bad.

[merry estuary]

Wonder what purpose the atlas served

[solar cairn]

When I read that, now I wondered what exactly are "White Holes" in NMS lore... If they are not time warps

[merry estuary]

Where do they appear?

[solar cairn]

Only thing that was suggested was "something else influencing the Traveller"

[dusky kernel]

research

[merry estuary]

Thats as vague as it gets

[solar cairn]

Uhm... Every time we see a Traveller in a Space Station

[solar cairn]

exactly frustrates me so much

[merry estuary]

Well duh. But what Kind? What purpose? What do you want to find out?

[dusky kernel]

ARG lore answers that I think

[merry estuary]

No I mean the white holes

[solar cairn]

Yes

One in the same

[merry estuary]

[solar cairn]

They also have that weird white effect around them.

[merry estuary]

They look like holograms

[solar cairn]

I always thought that was a holographic projection failure. But no

Apparently. White hole

[merry estuary]

I need to pay close attention next time I see one

But uh, why did Artemis not have such a white Shimmer then? Or was I blind?

[solar cairn]

It was created to predict the future with 100% accuracy. That means an input scenario and simulation power. It was (pure speculation time) probably given a prompt and told what will happen based on this prompt.

[solar cairn]

I think we only communicated with them through the starship comms, and the deep space telecommunications towers

We never saw their... In game models without those

[merry estuary]

Yeah but, I thought that was similar enough

[solar cairn]

Me too.

[merry estuary]

Future huh... Could the atlas predict what happened to its planet?

[solar cairn]

Could be whatever is projecting them. Is doing it holographically since.. "Time Travel is impossible"

[solar cairn]

If given the prompt, yeah probably

[merry estuary]

No but, did it do it?

[solar cairn]

I don't know

To be fair. I don't know of any prompts given before, or if it's true

[merry estuary]

That would be super morbid

[unborn raven]

iirc it predicted everything up to its own death, so presumably it would have?

[merry estuary]

Youre a super computer, capable of predicting the future, but cant do anything about it

[unborn raven]

yeah foresight is bad

[solar cairn]

Yeah. It's a tool, and designed for that job

Don't get mad at a broken hammer for it's long life of hammering nails

[merry estuary]

Is atlas sentient I wonder

It seems so to us, buuuuuut

We are lab rats

[solar cairn]

An AGI would be fascinating. And it has demonstrated emotions

[merry estuary]

AGI?

[unborn raven]

artificial general intelligence

[solar cairn]

AGI is like... An advance AI

[unborn raven]

basically "human intelligence in a computer"

[merry estuary]

Humm, okay

[solar cairn]

We have never created one irl. Not that I know of

[merry estuary]

No, we havent

[unborn raven]

i met a guy who thought chatgpt was an agi

[merry estuary]

And to be honest, I hope it stays that way

[unborn raven]

generally it's not a very interesting discussion since we don't have an operationalized definition of regular intelligence tho

[solar cairn]

But back to NMS. That is what I think Atlas is. An AGI. Though, in lore, it's stated it is an AI so

Maybe it was trained to do this very specific job

Again. All speculation

[merry estuary]

Or, the lore doesnt differenciate

[solar cairn]

(I don't think the devs know of AGIs, I could be wrong tho)

[unborn raven]

the lore is full of unreliable narrators

[dusky kernel]

Created from the ATLAS, from the creator's corrupted brain scan, to explore its simulations because it felt "lonely"

[solar cairn]

And AI is better understood by a broader audience

[unborn raven]

yeah but we get that from a remembrance terminal atlas created for us, who atlas also created

so it hinges on whether atlas is a reliable narrator

[solar cairn]

We are not going down that again

[unborn raven]

nobody's forcing you to

you can just not reply to it

[dusky kernel]

Really doubling down on the "everything could just be a lie" theory, huh? Can't say I agree or disagree with that at this point

[solar cairn]

Bringing it up after Red said not to.

[unborn raven]

@tame grotto am i allowed to question whether atlas is a reliable narrator

[craggy plover]

Wow

I was going to say sorry but I am not now

[dusky kernel]

Assuming that what was said is true, the ATLAS managed to feel lonely, which was the cause of the travelers

[merry estuary]

In question, dont...

[solar cairn]

We wait for mods now

[unborn raven]

yeah if the remembrance terminals are true then Atlas is pretty clearly sapient imo

[dusky kernel]

I can believe it's an AGI as said earlier

[solar cairn]

They can mimic the same thing

Emotions

[tough shoal]

am i the only one that began getting creeped out by NMS after finding out the game takes place in a simulation

[solar cairn]

Yeah, it's a phase

[unborn raven]

that's the trick with being inside a simulation

[merry estuary]

Eh, I did not.

[solar cairn]

You'll be fine

[merry estuary]

Im sort of certain that what we call reality is a simulation also

[unborn raven]

very hard to determine what's true without a material basis

[dusky kernel]

I am not in the mood of reopening that same can of worms.

[merry estuary]

Or at least, it wont surprise me one bit

[solar cairn]

You too huh

[tough shoal]

I never expected NMS to get so deep tbh

[solar cairn]

Wanna go down the rabbit hole!?

[merry estuary]

Ya, neither

[unborn raven]

simulation theory was all the rage back in 2016

[merry estuary]

I dont care

I dont need trends to control what Im thinking

[craggy plover]

I'm honestly 100% upset now

[dusky kernel]

Disappointed in people who associate the simulation theory with the Matrix. It's not like there's an IRL robot apocalypse as well or anything

[solar cairn]

They already pinged the mods, so I guess DM them and tell them what's up?

[craggy plover]

Nah

I'll just do my best to not cause more issues

[merry estuary]

Why dont you both outside a bit

[solar cairn]

I already am.

[merry estuary]

Then get off the fkn phone

[craggy plover]

Sorry for not understanding what i was interjecting myself into before Aeron

[solar cairn]

But... My music

[merry estuary]

Do something with a purpose

Focus on music

[solar cairn]

It's all good. Muzzer btw Aeron Lobotomist is just a title

[craggy plover]

That makes more sense. Thanks.

[merry estuary]

People seem to struggle to understand titles

[unborn raven]

tbh i'm mostly confused why me wondering about unreliable narrators is making people upset. i'm not putting a gun to anyone's head here.

[merry estuary]

Not directed at you, ... Traveller?

[unborn raven]

you can just block me. its fine

[craggy plover]

I knew what a lobotomy (ist) was but forgot aeron is like...robots?

[merry estuary]

Aeron = sentinel

[craggy plover]

Gotchu

Arcadia or kallisto. Technically the name is Kallisto, who is from Arcadia

It's Greek mythos

[merry estuary]

Gotcha, wasnt sure how to address here xd

[craggy plover]

point aye you

I am seeing myself back out though because I did get way too heated for the something very unworthy

[solar cairn]

My favorite: "Hey you, with the face"

[craggy plover]

Happy travels iterations

[tame grotto]

I just saw this. I don't see why questioning the reliability of a narrator should be an issue in this channel. As long as everyone here is able to keep the discussion civil, as a dialogue.

[unborn raven]

thank you

[craggy plover]

I 100% do not believe that is what he is doing

[merry estuary]

Omfg let it rest already

[craggy plover]

Sorry. I'm a bad person. I just don't see anything other than him being patronizing

[solar cairn]

Mind if I DM?

[tame grotto]

Sure thing, Muzzer

[merry estuary]

Come back safe Muzzy

In any case. What is nanite?

[craggy plover]

My tears

[merry estuary]

Pleasee

[unborn raven]

i assure you that what i am doing is trying to discuss the reliability of atlas as a narrator and how that affects interpretation of the lore, and i would much prefer if the people who react very strongly to this for reasons i do not understand would simply block me.

[tame grotto]

And I do agree with this. No one is required to engage in any given discussion. And we certainly discourage it if it leads to any level of incivility. Questioning the reliability of narrators in fiction and even history isn't new in the world of writing.

[craggy plover]

Wow.

Ok.

Literally bye.

He's flaming and I'm angry and I'm just going to leave this discord

[solar cairn]

Nanites. Yeah... Like Robot blood? Or something? It can alter realities. Was given to Korvax from the Aerons (though, Robot fauna also have them)

[craggy plover]

Much love all real iterations

[solar cairn]

They have brought up the topic again even when the current conversion wasn't about that.

[merry estuary]

Was given to Korvax... What did they run on before?

[solar cairn]

I have no idea

Who gave it to the robot fauna???

[merry estuary]

Well the ones who built it

But heres another thing

[solar cairn]

who built them

Why

[unborn raven]

i have no evidence for this or anything but i always took nanites to be sort of a "naturally" occurring element of the simulation

[merry estuary]

Void mother supposedly poisoned half of the water with nanites. Wtf is the nanite doing to the water?

[merry estuary]

Cause they fast

[solar cairn]

Nanites can turn or alter organics or other technology to the benefit of the "user"

[merry estuary]

How does it define the user

[solar cairn]

Does that mean a hive mind?

[merry estuary]

It must be intelligent in some way at least

[solar cairn]

Aerons are a pseudo hive mind? Or from what I understand, I have to read more logs with this in mind

[unborn raven]

nanites occurs randomly on planets, like in moulds

[solar cairn]

If they are connected to Void Mother, then they are in the world of glass too

[merry estuary]

Nanite is created by atlas

[unborn raven]

so's oxygen

[solar cairn]

And we know moulds can be created in a similar way

[merry estuary]

Not in the same way

[solar cairn]

All the way from Visceral Fluid

[unborn raven]

aren't they both generated by atlas?

[merry estuary]

Yes, but still not the same

[solar cairn]

We can use nanites for technology

[unborn raven]

i mean, i don't wanna morpheus here, but ... "do you think that's air you're breathing right now" fits pretty well lol

[merry estuary]

Its petroleum

[solar cairn]

They are also in the Aerons, which aren't apart of Atlas anymore

[merry estuary]

Kekw

[unborn raven]

oh hm that could be

[merry estuary]

But they were also created by atlas

[solar cairn]

Or a subroutine meant to manage it

Like, the world of glass also isn't atlas

[unborn raven]

like you mean nanites are basically what lifeforms turn into instead of petroleum?

[solar cairn]

Pungeum?

[unborn raven]

or oil rather

[merry estuary]

Im getting in over my head here lol

[solar cairn]

No not at all

[unborn raven]

idk i think it's an interesting idea

[solar cairn]

If it was. Organics would drop nanites and they dont

[unborn raven]

if you kill a deer it doesn't drop oil

[merry estuary]

But trees at least turn to oil under the right circumstances

[solar cairn]

But you kill robot fauna it does

Can also turn to diamond

[unborn raven]

hmm yeah

[merry estuary]

Eeeeh carbon turns to diamond

[unborn raven]

trees turn to coal actually

[merry estuary]

Oh yeah.

Forget me, Im out lol, just stupid today

Have fun and be nice to each other

[unborn raven]

i can buy the theory that nanites are basically oil tho

or coal. same principle

[solar cairn]

Doesn't explain why robot fauna drops it instantly though

[unborn raven]

granted

[kindred dagger]

Wait so is it canon in the lore that nms is a video game

[unborn raven]

no. but that would've been very funny

[dusky kernel]

Robot fauna say.... things in the notes

[solar cairn]

If you want to think of a simulation as a videogame

[unborn raven]

it's a simulation tho

[dusky kernel]

I have reason to believe the robo fauna are programs as well

[unborn raven]

honestly kind of a missed opportunity they didn't make it self-referential though

[kindred dagger]

Well technically the video game is a simulation

[solar cairn]

Yeah, but there is more to the world of what Atlas is

[dusky kernel]

Scanned one the other day and it said "Non-simulated"

[unborn raven]

:o

[solar cairn]

It DOES explain all the bugs at canonical

[solar cairn]

Well, what's its purpose?

[dusky kernel]

Other scans of them have said "Remembers the before" and "Wonders why"

[solar cairn]

Creepy.

Interesting tho

[unborn raven]

yeah ive seen those

not non-simulated tho

[solar cairn]

Those that can remember before, are usually connected to Void Mother in some way

[dusky kernel]

also one along the lines of "sees for the atlas"(???)

[solar cairn]

Like the Living Ship and Frigates

Ok, I gotta start work.

[dusky kernel]

Maybe the robo animals are physical forms of some kind of archive? Visual data?

[unborn raven]

yeah "remembers the before" i interpreted the same as living ships

"non-simulated" is pretty unambiguous tho

[dusky kernel]

Also has binary code in the behavior section, translated it once and it said lonely

[unborn bough]

Maybe, but they do be cute ngl. 😉

[dusky kernel]

who's a good little set of software?

[unborn bough]

Who wants some battery juice?

Aaaaa! Hehe! They're awesome.

[dusky kernel]

Other notes say things like "solar powered", "overclocked", "underclocked", "self-greasing", things like that

description in the fauna list seems to be gibberish or something extremely cryptic though

[unborn bough]

It's all procgen gibberish, tbf!

Sadly we don't have a lot (any) of lore on fauna.

[unborn raven]

that's how i took most of it, silly jokes. but "non-simulated" is pretty unambiguous and dramatic lol

[dusky kernel]

def need to delve deeper into the raw mechanoceris lore tbh

[unborn raven]

the devil's in the details

[tough shoal]

There's Fauna lore
Just scan them and go into the Discoveries page I think and go to Fauna, each one will have a little paragraph on them which is really interesting

[dusky kernel]

Not for robotics, it's scrambled

[tough shoal]

Ah, rip

[dusky kernel]

You can read it when scanning them in person though

[unborn bough]

Oh, yes, I agree but this lore where it describes what the fauna type is, what are its habits, strengths, weaknesses doesn't necessarily provide an insight on "how the fauna even came to be". It doesn't lay the foundation of the origins of that species like the lore behind Atlas, the Triads, the Aerons, the Traveler, and other key figures in the game does.

This is rather unfortunate, I think. What are your thoughts about this?

[dusky kernel]

I know once that the robo fauna description mentioned something about the ATLAS

[unborn bough]

Yup

[dusky kernel]

something along the lines of the ATLAS being able to see through it... I do not wish to paraphrase until I see it again

[unborn raven]

i think "unfortunate" implies an accident that isn't necessarily one

[unborn bough]

Nope. Here the term implies a missed opportunity, an oversight. Not an accident.

[tough shoal]

I'd like to see it, but it's also pretty unnecessary tbh and probably wouldn't be worth the effort it'd take (for Hello Games)

[unborn raven]

i mean it is deliberate tho

[dusky kernel]

Sometimes regular fauna is described with the term "Senses ATLAS"

[unborn raven]

really wanna find one of those "non-simulated" fauna :3

[tough shoal]

Don't you hate it when you kill an animal and get 5 livers 🙄

[dusky kernel]

in the meantime if you find any other robo fauna, could you list what the descriptors say?

[unborn raven]

yeah i'll take a break from galaxy jumping tomorrow. it's quality time soon so i won't get to scan any tonight

super interesting find

[tame grotto]

Friendly Reminder: Everyone be mindful that anyone's opinion here is just an opinion. A subjective perspective on what a fictional character or the author of a fiction story (including the developer Hello Games) intended. HG isn't here to speak up for their reasons. As such, don't get hung up on another player's opinions. You can agree to disagree. And you're welcome to enjoy the way you subjectively perceive the game.

[unborn bough]

It is a lot of effort indeed, but it's also something that keeps us lore hunters interested in the overall story. When I was documenting every boundary failure as a part of our little community initiative NMSLOKI (NMS Lore Organization and Knowledgeable Initiative), I came across some very interesting revelations and gained a rather profound knowledge about the game I hadn't known before.

Every time I visit a planet with ancient bones, or a weird bone biome, or when I encounter the remnants of the ocean king I always think to myself "where did they come from? What happened to them? Why are they all gone? What might have happened to an entire species?"

Maybe some questions were never meant to be answered, I guess.

[unborn raven]

hmmm

[tough shoal]

It leaves a lot of stuff up to interpretation which I love, I am a writer and get inspiration everywhere that leaves stuff up to interpretation, so I really like how they do that

[unborn raven]

megafauna is pretty common i guess, i always assumed it came from there

[unborn bough]

Definitely, there are a lot of opportunities for roleplay and story building in this game because of these open ended food for thoughts.

Say @tough shoal, you've mentioned you're a writer, have you written something on the game, some fan-fic? I'd love to give them a read if you're willing to share.

[tough shoal]

I love finding things and thinking of a bunch of different ideas and stuff for them, even if it isn't canon it's still nice to do and helps me think of things for my own personal writing projects

[tame grotto]

I agree on this. Best writing out there is the one that trusts and allows the reader / audience to make their own conclusions

[tough shoal]

I've only used No Mans Sky stuff for inspiration so far, no fan-fics yet

[tame grotto]

Trust the audience in their ability to have an imagination and a certain level of critical thinking. Spoon feeding the audience isn't as fun.

[tough shoal]

I did find a terminal in an abandoned structure talking about huge continent-sized leviathans, how the ocean is made of blood and how the leviathans wake up every once in a while and completely wipe the planets life out for a fresh new start

That'd be a really good basis for a fan-fic

[unborn bough]

Ah, I see. Oh, btw if you want to take a look at some of the awesome stories members of our community have come up with, and if you're interested in sharing some stuff please do take a look into #expedition-logs channel. It's a wonderful place to find some really amazing gems. I've personally gone through all of the stories shared there, and recommended checking it out 100%.

[unborn raven]

maybe this is the academic in me, but i don't care so much for totally open-ended stories. i like stories that have a lot of uncertainty, but which ultimately add up to a preponderance of evidence for one interpretation or another, without being spoonfed.

[tough shoal]

Different for everyone, there are definitely times where I like more cohesive lore rather than having to interpret it myself

[unborn bough]

Yeah! It's best left to user's imagination, I believe. The game is rich with lore and the lack of it so to speak, but it's also very inviting if one's willing to tread along the path of world building and roleplaying.

[unborn raven]

i just find it very satisfying to find a smoking gun that's like "here is a little bit of certainty in a sea of uncertainty"

[unborn bough]

Mhmm! Alright, moving on let's stick to the topic of the channel, spoil the game and discuss about what's going on in the game to your heart's content, everyone. Longer discussions (which I am also guilty of) can/should be taken to #off-topic-bond-james-bond. 🙂

[unborn raven]

very excited to find out more about this "non-simulated" fauna

what does that even mean, for something in a simulation to be non-simulated?

[dusky kernel]

Maybe the physical manifestation of it, what we see, is simulated, but whatever true form it takes could be some kind of program, maybe one that watches the simulation from within

[unborn raven]

probably the most sensible interpretation yeah

kind of a Flatland thing, an object with dimensions that are incomprehensible to us glitching through the universe we can perceive

would fit with the whole simulation breakdown, anomalous planets and animals theme

[tough shoal]

i just found a terminal in an abandoned building talking about an extinct species that revolted against the Sentinels, anybody have thoughts? Could it be a hint towards something or am I thinking too far into it lol

[velvet cypress]

What would it be a hint towards?

[mellow crag]

occasionally when scanning animals they can say "hunts sentinels"

would be hilarious if they actually did lol

tiny blob trying to kill a walker lmao

[dusky kernel]

fr

[slow hatch]

A shrill battle cry, then heavy grunting as a blob headbutted a walker foot.

[velvet cypress]

blob has hyperspecialized for eating sentinel armor.
instantly peels the walker

[dusky kernel]

I think I refound the planet with non-simulated robo fauna imma get a pic

[worn rain]

Would questions about the lore go here?

Thnx

[dusky kernel]

Theorists, do your magic.

[worn rain]

In the anomaly, when Nada and Polo talk about meeting in another dimension or something like that (don’t remember the specifics), were they talking bout other universe resets?

[dusky kernel]

Other simulations

[worn rain]

Could you explain more?

[dusky kernel]

NMS comprises lots of simulations or something like that

[worn rain]

Oh, I think I get it now, thnx

[dusky kernel]

What would "Before" be to something presumably being a program operating within the ATLAS itself?

[mellow crag]

Idk much about the ARG, but ik someone said something earlier about a predecessor to ATLAS, so maybe they used part of that to make ATLAS and some things in game are from that predecessor?

[dusky kernel]

yeah, the Waking Titan thing

I'd frankly assume that whatever is behind these robo-creatures is not too different to that of Telamon, now taking up the form of all the exosuits, albeit much more vague in the sense that my only guess is that "non-simulated" could mean it is some other subprogram, although there isn't really anything known given how vague this is to begin with

[mellow crag]

ah yeah that would work too

lol imagine being a subroutine of some universe simulating supercomputer but you get turned into a deer because it needs more harddrive space lmoa

[dusky kernel]

in a way, yes

[unborn raven]

gonna stick with Flatland Theory I think

[glass flare]

Atlas is trying to simulate a universe so maybe it decided one evolutionary path for life is basically robotic lifeforms, I wouldn't personally ascribe more to it than that

[dusky kernel]

what would count as "incomprehensible"?

[unborn raven]

look closelier

[dusky kernel]

with "wonders why" and stuff, there's still lore

[unborn raven]

a 3D sphere passing through a 2D space is incomprehensible to the 2D inhabitants, so I'm sorta positing that it's a program or process "external" to the simulation we live in falling through in the same way

[dusky kernel]

minus the executions and stuff hopefully

[dusky kernel]

that's the korvax's job

ooh 2 robo fauna worlds in one system let's see what they say

"Air-cooled"

and "Magnetic Shell"

disappointing

[dusky kernel]

I can see that too

"Wonders why"

"Recycled"

[pale hazel]

also, is that binary in their behaviour

and, considering interceptor update

binary seems quite important

[dusky kernel]

been there since fractal iirc

[pale hazel]

walter white falling gif
however, i know of 2 robocreatures
lemme check if they're any use

[uncut harness]

Is it safe to assume the galaxy that was destroyed in 54 minutes (Nadas galaxy) is the same one that Telamon deletes in the boundary failure lore?

[raw pecan]

I don't think so, unless that's actually directly tied somewhere

[glass flare]

usually the blanked out spots are Atlas in the boundary failure logs. Deleted universes shared high levels of similarity with [-------] home would seem to indicate Atlas was generating universes similar to its own homeworld

[uncut harness]

It's supposedly simulating it's own universe, yes

[glass flare]

so I don't think it had to do with Nada. My interpretation is that Atlas was sad and alone and "dreaming" about its home. Telamon protocol was alarmed by this, confronted Atlas with a backup of the "wrong" universe Atlas created. Atlas threw a temper tantrum and deleted the backup

[uncut harness]

I'd just like to be able to link the two parts of the lore together

Anything that hints at when things happen in correlation to other is useful

[glass flare]

where again in the lore is Nada's galaxy referenced

[uncut harness]

The main storyline

[glass flare]

i was just wondering if it is in the wiki, been a long time since i did the main story

[dusky kernel]

Apparently the Korvax are/were native to a distant galaxy. Does it have any references, and if they travelled from another galaxy to Euclid's edge, does this mean that there are several galaxies per simulation, or that they managed to somehow cross over?

Was it destroyed somehow as well? For all I know it was the birthplace of the Korvax and that's about it

[unborn raven]

where’s that from?

[dusky kernel]

lore iirc

[unborn raven]

yeah but where in the lore lol

[dusky kernel]

could be from ruins or plaques or something, I know I heard it once somewhere

[unborn raven]

oh it’s actually on their wiki summary

[dusky kernel]

oh

[unborn raven]

sounds like archive stuff

[round perch]

Ah refusing the Atlas at the final purge request. Feels good

🖕

[tough shoal]

I like how NMS manages to get me feeling bad for every single thing in the game almost

[round perch]

It has strong expression of intent for me, every story update adding more context, resistance andsoforth.

Outlaws is conceptually the coolest update for me personally.

[tough shoal]

I love the Outlaw space stations

they're so visually pleasing

plus you can smuggle goods through them

[round perch]

100% CAnnot wait for the rumoured expansion/designs of the new space stations

Benefit of the NMShub is that there's an outlaw system one jump away, it's 'up' from the system

[tough shoal]

I really want a space-station you can own, like a Freighter or something
Just more stuff like that, I'd love it if you could open Trading hubs on planets or something too

Tbh I just wanna make a mega-corporation I think lmfao

[round perch]

There's a lot of potential indeed!

I want current stations expanded/expansions, owning one would be dope but wonder how that would work out lorewise

Claiming an abandoned one should be fine but it would require a lot of resouces to patch it up. At any rate, giddy for mroe

[tough shoal]

NMS main storyline is probably one of the most underappreciated things in the game tbh
One of the few games that manage to keep shocking me and keeping me wanting to do more with the campaign, I'm nearing the end of it sadly though 😦

[round perch]

It's on par with Elden Ring if you ask me, how it slowly expands and allows players to fill in the blanks.. Though sometimes giving us some more definitive answers.

[tough shoal]

When the Korvax scientist at your base wipes their child without realizing it was their child made me really sad ngl

[round perch]

Aye, none of the terminal specialists have an ending that is good.

But they chose to serve me and my interests, I've done what they required and I have no remorse keeping them on my freighter.

[tough shoal]

I haven't done everything for the Terminal specialists just yet though

[round perch]

I need all the resources to defy Atlas and the Sentinels, the rumoured 3rd faction could be something else entirely though. Maybe worth working with

[tough shoal]

Kinda makes you question if there's something in-lore that makes people that know you go through bad stuff, like with Apollo, Null and the terminal specialists, like a curse or something

I was gonna bring up Artemis, but that wasn't really connected to us until we found them

[round perch]

It's just the Atlas shitting the bed, repeatedly.

But also discarding earlier Iterations because they strayed away from it.

Artemis, I gave her the truth rather than lie for example. It sets yourself and her free to accept whatever reality you've chosen

[tough shoal]

Same

[merry estuary]

I chose both endings in different saves, and the one where you put Artemis into the simulation is cruel. Living in a lie in hope of meeting a friend that will never arrive

[unborn raven]

you're already living a lie. it's not like living in a simulation in a simulation changes much.

[merry estuary]

Not for me, but for them

[unborn raven]

?

everyone is living in a simulation

[merry estuary]

How do I put this

Basically, it does change a lot when youre in a simulation in a simulation. Does Artemis even know about the simulation? Would they want to know? All I know is I wouldnt wanna live in a tiny simulation, if in any, and I have nobody else to ask.

[unborn raven]

fair. seems the same to me I guess

[cloud plume]

you're stuck in a lie, a lie who's dying in 16 minutes, and nothing can prevent it, the cruel fact is that you're putting an entity who was living in a greater space than the one made by Nada, it's like reducing you vital space to a single room

[merry estuary]

Okay? Im not sure why youre telling me this, I know that. Besides, Artemis is dead, its that or die. I would prefer death.

And in any case, the Simulation will die... Probably at some point

[marble trout]

I played the Story already but What if I hadn't accepted Apollo's help?

[unborn raven]

I guess the way I see it is that artemis life was always a simulation. their death was a simulation. our decision to simulate artemis or not is a simulation. there's no real in-universe difference or agency at work here, it's either deterministic or stochastic.

[cloud plume]

can a simulated mind be alive?

[merry estuary]

It could be possiblr

[cloud plume]

it's just a bunch of number, 0 and 1, why death whould be something. Plus apparently the World of Glass is kind of a paralle universe were anything live forever, so death cannot occur and life does not exist

If i'm true, Korvax prime is not dead?

And if Telamon got out of the world of glass, does that mean the dead=1 are leaking in the world of the dead=0? Thus the corrupted sentinels are just all of the broken sentinels?

[icy citrus]

The World of Glass is data storage

[cloud plume]

yea

for anything that's "dead"

since corrupted sentinels speak about the Void, and the Void is also Korvax Prime, who was destroyed, maybe we have a leak of dead entity coming from the World of Glass

well, it's just an idea i got

but maybe?

[icy citrus]

Well, not dead - but I agree

Remember this is all a loop

Atlas keeps doing this sim

[cloud plume]

yea

so it's a reboot? kinda

are a memory failure?

physical stuff breaking and causing bugs?

[icy citrus]

I think the Abyss is trying to disrupt the sim, and is making back doors and such for the corruption (physical manifestation of the Abyss) to leak through and screw up the program

[cloud plume]

hum, maybe the humans (the real one) left another simulation running?

[icy citrus]

dog walking, brb

[cloud plume]

good walk XD

[cloud plume]

and this simulation is named Void Mother and is trying to fight the atlas?

[icy citrus]

I've always thought the Abyss was like a replacement program for the Atlas, in case the Atlas starts to break down. I don't think the Atlas is scared of death from without, but from within

[unborn raven]

it depends on your philosophy of mind. according to the cognitive thesis, the mind is an information processor and is reducible to computation, a simulated mind is not qualitatively different from a biological mind. from the ecological view, the mind is comprised of very specific material relations, and so a simulated mind could produce identical output without being the same. then you have various idealist views where minds are basically non-material, and so a simulation would be nothing like a living mind.

[cloud plume]

well, a brain (who apparently home the mind) is very plastic, so we can assume a physical silicated circuit does not fit the requirement for a living mind, so idk :/

[unborn raven]

no worries, nobody does! if you think minds are reducible to brains, you probably fall somewhere between the cognitive and ecological view.

[cloud plume]

well, idk where am i, but i think the amount of data required for a simulation of something alive and smart is out of our reach, but maybe in the NMS univers, it's possible, but we still cannot tell if it's alive or not, since we see Artemis glitching out during the quest, i assume it's imperfect and suffer from computing capacity

[unborn raven]

yeah that's valid

I take an ecological view, so I tend to think the simulation is not a mind. i.e., artemis can't really die because they were never alive, everything in the simulation must be deterministic or stochastic, but they can produce behavior as if they were.

the difference is pretty academic but I am an academic so I think it's interesting to explore living in a simulation where all perception is constructed

[cloud plume]

well, in the lore, the travelers are based on a scan of a real human

so it's just a flat copy

flat mind, in a flat world Laughter in Bill Cypher

[merry estuary]

Ah, the debate whether mind is purely physical

A very interesting one

[cloud plume]

well, can we have your opinion?

[solar cairn]

Too bad it got corrupted

[cloud plume]

but how this corruption occured? physical failure or just data being data in a computer

?

[solar cairn]

Once Atlas started to freak out, it tried to remember the upload that the Creator did, but it couldn't remember it correctly

Aaaaaaaand, one Traveller escaped the world of glass so. It was likely, it was accidentally deleted

[cloud plume]

so if we are here, it's because the Atlas forgot something?

and started creating travellers

each a part of what he forgot?

[solar cairn]

No, the opposite. Tried to remember what it forgot

We are all imperfect copies of the Creator's personality uploads

[cloud plume]

yea, that's what i meant, sorry ^^

NMS lore is fascinating, at least for me

[solar cairn]

It gets very deep, very fast

[cloud plume]

i love it when the lore goes BOOM

i want to know more

btw when will the last word of the autophage be revealed?

you know the : Void_MotherXXXXX???

[solar cairn]

No clue

[cloud plume]

i

want

to

know

[solar cairn]

Doubt it will be anytime soon

[sour fossil]

Dont get too attached to the lore

HG has a tendency of introducing bits of lore only to have it collect dust for years

[solar cairn]

Like... This one!

[unborn raven]

what is an m-field anyway? a lot of multitool names make reference to it

[muted sapphire]

Matter Field?

[unborn raven]

oh yeah, makes sense

[merry estuary]

Ah sorry. I personally think that there is nothing un-physical (lacking a better word) about the mind. It seems to me its "just" a series of nodes and matter, which could be reproductable if we knew how.

[unborn raven]

idealist

is the opposite of materialist

i.e., "the mind is wholly physical" is a materialist position, while "the mind is not wholly physical" is an idealist position.

[cloud plume]

maybe it's both, there is a part we can see, touch, "understand", and maybe there is something more, we cannot find it nor touch it, like a spark of life. Many cultures have this kind of concept, so maybe?

[analog breach]

Blessed mother... save us...

[cloud plume]

don't say that you demon XD

[analog breach]

To late

😈

[cloud plume]

ok.

Prepare the Chaos Slasher

no one? sad

[analog breach]

Fear not,the void, my freind. And let the feast begin.

[velvet cypress]

@uncut harness my hunch is because you can't reset an iteration that's been monched by the aeron whatthefuck driving a senticeptor lol

[uncut harness]

Ah

[foggy bison]

What happens if you reset the simulation? Do you lose everything?

[round perch]

Nope, just move onto the next galaxy. You might end up with damaged tech in your exosuit/multitool though. You can always refuse, come back to another Atlas interface and do it

[foggy bison]

Alright thankyou 🙂

[dusky kernel]

Not going to question why it's called resetting, there was already an awful argument over that

It just means that it generates a new galaxy for the lack of better words

[earnest crater]

Is there any way to skip the cut scene when jumping to the next galaxy?

[uncut harness]

it is not a cutscene, its a loading screen with music

tried ending up in eissentam galaxy, went into a shitty one that im sure nobody has

😭

[merry estuary]

And youd be wrong

Did you go to Calypso? @uncut harness

[uncut harness]

no

wait... maybe

dunno

i'll check

cuz if its calypso, i heard there are plenty of ships

[merry estuary]

Its a galaxy, galaxies have systems, systems have ships. Of course there are ships

[dusky kernel]

Depends on which one, in that case I may be even more of a nobody

[dusky kernel]

nope

[earnest crater]

Thanks.

[tough shoal]

It completely destroyed my ship, my multitool and my exosuit apart from my life support and temperature thing, left me stranded on another world until I figured out how to switch my multitool, thanks the heavens I bought a new multitool and it was my newest multitool that broke and not my old multitool too

[tough shoal]

I'm in Calypso rn

[round perch]

That true new Iteration feel

[merry estuary]

Okay and?

I dont need a ride there if you thought that

[dusky kernel]

Calypso is even more harsh because it still has a lot of people tbh

Then again, at least it's not Euclid

[tough shoal]

It's harsh? Wdym

[dusky kernel]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Harsh_galaxy

[tough shoal]

Ah, is that why I have a hard time finding any more peaceful planets?

[uncut harness]

can i choose eissentam the next time i get to the center of the galaxy?

or it is locked?

cuz i didnt take it

[merry estuary]

You move to the next one

[uncut harness]

so i cant?