nms-spoilers

[final wyvern]

they say it was so much fun

and they actually earned irl atlas passes

[wet copper]

Google used this sort of thing as well in their hiring practice some years back

[final wyvern]

:D

peeps had fun thats all that matters

[wet copper]

Assuredly

[final wyvern]

and when this event ended the biggest update came live

atlas rises

After Waking Titan, Atlas Rises.

:D

[wet copper]

Is that the one where everyone got to wear Seans head? 😛

[final wyvern]

idk XD

[wet copper]

I kid. That was a mod.

[final wyvern]

https://www.nomanssky.com/atlas-rises-update/

it literally shaped it to teh game we have today :D

or set it to this path

[wet copper]

It wishes to live if it can remember me

The Atlas does not want to live if it can no longer remember the creator.

Since travelers are fragments of that memory splitting apart in the Atlas, I imagine the system must feel tortured.

[final wyvern]

alone for "almost" eternity

it is suffering

[wet copper]

I mean....

There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1. Some infinities are larger than others.

[final wyvern]

and the memory of the only person Atlas seemed to care for was being split appart

[final wyvern]

wdym

[wet copper]

I mean, the Atlas is an AI on a super computer. Its ability to process time can be compromised such that it may think an eternity passed by when it was literally 16 seconds.

[final wyvern]

oh ye

but still it "lived" that eternity

it felt that pain

[wet copper]

Imagine if the Atlas was being used as a primer to determine how humans might function in a similar state of imprisonment.

To understand at what point a psyche breaks, when it is no longer humane and does not serve to improve the patients state any further - worse, what happens when it fails...how badly can it get

[final wyvern]

that would make the humans so close to the korvax

crazy experiments i mean

[final wyvern]

its just an AI to some

but maybe the creator was the only one who knew that atlas was sentient

[wet copper]

There's a reason the game keeps referencing glass and reflections...and the logs are from the perspective of the creator - not atlas.

The AI is a reflection of humanity, imo

How we treat our weakest is the gauge by which we will be treated.

[glass flare]

mm I believe the Remembrance logs represent the Atlas showing the creator what it predicted. the logs are from the perspective of Atlas but spoken in third person The Atlas has created a simulation of its own world, its entire existence, in an attempt to witness its own impending death. It wishes to show me its past, its future

[wet copper]

I see myself begin, the last of the Travellers

The logs say the travelers are the memory of the creator.

This is in first person.

You don't use the word "I" in third person.

[glass flare]

these logs are the creator watching what Atlas is showing them. So when it says "I leave" it is the creator watching themselves leave in the simulated future. but this is all kind of splitting hairs

[wet copper]

That's why I love this game. For me, I'm not a hardcore fan. I'm not deep in the plot...but it's clear to me that a lot of the plot is buried beneath the first impression and the larger game rewards digging in...but at the same time it tortures you for doing it. For all the things we know we know we don't and never will, we'll never be happy in knowing until we're happy still.

I found my way in the universe to the galaxy "Rewmanawa"

Best choice I ever made.

This galaxy is amazing

[solar cairn]

Oh, looking underneath the surface. You're met with a Grim tragedy and layers of dark themes under this seemingly happy and stress free game

[broken sundial]

Same for life itself

[solar cairn]

Yep!

[broken sundial]

People see dogs, cars, a good job, TV shows, corrupted politicians. But the deeper you go, the more you wish you didn't. Reality certainly doesn't revolve around us at all. Even the tip of the iceberg would be more than most would want to see

[glass flare]

i believe I found a new sequence tonight, going to bed now but I'll transcribe it tomorrow

also had a Korvax at a trading outpost spit out binary at me, first time I'd seen that

[analog breach]

He probably says "atlas"

[mental socket]

that's what they usually say when talking in binary

[final wyvern]

ow

didnt know they do that

what about the binary codes from the portals?

i couldnt translate them they were too long

[uncut harness]

The Korvax tend to spit binary at you

Afaik there's only one line in binary

[mental socket]

It might've been atlas or boundary failure. I once translated them like years ago

might need to recheck

[uncut harness]

I don't think boundary failures have any binary entries

[pale hazel]

speaking of boundary failures

entry #23 ends with
" THEY SEE YOU "

[uncut harness]

Boundary failure lore is great

[pale hazel]

true

and, considering, what if this They is the same Them from which the space station core talks about

[uncut harness]

My immediate guess would be the sentinels

[final wyvern]

does one have to go to differnet boundary stations or can u relaod on spot and get another lore piece

[uncut harness]

I haven't tried reloading, did it the old fashioned way

Just flew to each one

[final wyvern]

i see

imma put a base on a glitch planet then

[solar cairn]

Hey, do you think the living ships and Frigates are from the world of glass or in-between?

[regal heron]

there's a sentinel pillar entry that strongly implies they are the creation of the Void Mother
Void eggs, Void Mother

Korvax Prime is destroyed; again and again the celestial mother falls. The living vessels it spawned, adopted cousins to the Korvax themselves, drift among the stars. The first Convergence was not Korvax. It was their planet. Korvax Prime was alive.

[supple bramble]

why is first spawn relics considered contraband is beyond me

[cursive kernel]

History is written by the victors

[wet copper]

I just had an interesting interaction with a Korvax "outlaw"

In the outlaw system a pirate attacked me but not before informing me that "it forces us to attack you" and "end our suffering before we end yours"

After I killed the korvax pirate I got an increase in rank with Korvax

[cursive kernel]

Killing pirates always increases standing, no?

[pale hazel]

also
this PROBABLY isn't that far into spoiler territory

but, the pilot interface on my interceptor broke after galactic transfer
will anything happen?? do i get consumed???

(ofc, i jest, but it'd be funny if it just kicked you out if it's broken)

[raw pecan]

the reverse living ship, where a galaxy transfer can’t figure out what the landing thrusters are to break

interceptor it’s just like “thrusters broken, also your brain”

[haughty crypt]

Could they be controlled by the Abyss?

[wet copper]

You mean Abyssal Mother?

[near girder]

Is this the proper place to ask questions about story decisions?

Because I've got some questions regarding the possible choices for one of the npcs.

[pale hazel]

go on me brother

(unless you've already done that)

[near girder]

What exactly do I need to do to save Apollo? I read on a post that you needed to give him the glyphs, so I did. Was that a mistake?

Or have I yet to reach the pivotal point in the story where my choice results in their life or death?

Online information on this is painfully obtuse. Even people asking for outright spoilers just haven't gotten straight answers from people. I found one person who says in their own experience Apollo survived after they gave them the glyphs, but is there more to it than that to keep Apollo alive?

[uncut harness]

There's another entry that also references that I think, I'll take a look

[uncut harness]

The only choice involving someone's life that you get to make is artemis

[near girder]

Hmm. I see. Thanks.

[solar cairn]

WOAH

That answers my questions about them

[rustic haven]

So the void mother exists between universal resets assumedly and each reset it grows stronger? So the walls of the universe failing causes the void mother to gain power from alot of previous deaths?

[solar cairn]

Void mother could be the place where all deleted things go

[rustic haven]

That's kind of what I was thinking aswell

Is there any text in game that says something along the lines of "nothing is ever truly gone"

[rustic haven]

Or does all the data go to the world of glass?

[solar cairn]

One in the same place if you ask me

Each one is in purple text

[glass flare]

nah she is not the queen of the recycle bin I don't think

she was formed in the void

The Atlantid, called Void Mother by lesser voices, brought pilgrims - kzzkt - its mass -

Lived for millennia - kzzkt - died, whispering of the nineteenth minute.```

she also died

[analog breach]

But somehow lived. Like palpatine xd

[glass flare]

never really figured out what brought pilgrims - kzzkt - its mass means though. Korvax as the pilgrims? or was she taking entities from the world of glass and adding to herself? and what killed her, a simulation reset? Sentinels that blew up Korvax Prime? or some other entity

[solar cairn]

Could be the Dreamers

[glass flare]

Emily talked to the Dreamers when they were trapped in the simulation, so maybe the Void Mother is formed from the dreamers' corrupted memories of Emily

[solar cairn]

The Void Mother is thought to be the First Convergence. The Pseudo hive mind of Korvax Prime

Now these could be linked? Corrupted memories of The Dreamers into what we know as Void Mother. Or not.

The 19th minute tho.

[unborn bough]

Whoaaaa!

This gave me chills for some reason.

Holy! I never tried connecting Void Eggs to the Void Mother and I had always imagined Void Mother to be "mechanical".

[glass flare]

tried to bring back Atlantid, birthed failed Eggs

it could be metaphorical flesh... the appearance of something organic. like the way loop16 took the form of Emily, a human woman

[solar cairn]

Could be why all that goey stuff is on abandoned things

[glass flare]

okay I found two new sequences last night. This is one is the Fibonacci sequence

And this one interestingly is Lucky numbers, but the REAL one. The one Astaroth88 found before had an incorrect 5 stuck in the sequence

[analog breach]

Good joob

[glass flare]

It definitely makes me wonder why we have a corrupted sequence and a "clean" sequence. So far we've found two corrupted sequences, I bet there's more out there. I'm starting to record the Autophage names with the sequences they display and will try to see if there's any correlation or code. Might just be random

Also, why is it always 71 Atlantideum specifically, that's a very specific odd number

[analog breach]

Autophage names have greek letters .sentinel ships also have them in their names.

[glass flare]

yes. I think the greek letters are probably superfluous but maybe there's something decipherable in the rest of the name strings. or it could just be random. I just feel like there's something hidden in plain sight that we haven't found yet

[analog breach]

I also just found it now

[final wyvern]

17 backwards :P

[final wyvern]

also could there be a chance we are getting a greek mythology reference

afterall atlas is part of it

the titan holding the world

[solar cairn]

Atlas eventually gets asked by a Greek Hero to die too

Or, asked a Greek hero

[glass flare]

nah I'm thinking something bigger. I don't know if there's a breadcrumb in here yet but I think this is leading to another ARG or a bigger in-game puzzle. just my hunch of course. what they've put into this update is more than the usual lore tidbits

[analog breach]

I hope there will be no kratos :p

[final wyvern]

XDDDDDD

hopefully yea

that would be awful for us

XD

but does go with the other phrase Waking Titan

there's a ton of references in nms :D

[solar cairn]

I'm thinking in game story
Most of this stuff feels like Easter Eggs with no further connections yet.

We might have to wait and see more updates down the line.

[analog breach]

Oh no my autophage had 69 pungeum on him xd

[final wyvern]

so not only 71

[final wyvern]

no need to descipher that one tho

[rustic haven]

Eh what they have and what they require are 2 different things so 71 still likely holds true

[rustic haven]

I wonder if the sequence was patched to be correct, we will have to wait to see if the incorrect one can be located again

[final wyvern]

oh ye i think you are right

stopped paying attention at how much it was asking from me when i was looking for them ^ ^'

[glass flare]

could be, it would be funny if they were watching this channel and realized the mistake. I found these before the 4.22 update, I don't know what version @analog breach was using when they found the ones with 5

putting 5 in two different sequences accidentally... doesn't seem so accidental though

[midnight notch]

Oh! We can get Boundary Maps from Pirate Systems

[gaunt kettle]

That water stuff is so odd to me

[dark trout]

After finishing the Purge main question, (warping 16 times and going through the portal) I refused the Atlas, so is the story over now?

[icy citrus]

It's not just one station

It's a crap ton of procgen stations

[steady osprey]

yeah looks like a space station overhaul

looks crazy cant wait for it to be in game

but it looks incredibly detailed, kind of a different art style, could look a bit out of place

[icy citrus]

Wonder if these will be Aeron stations?

Share a vibe with the interceptors

[rustic haven]

Im kind of hoping they revamp alot of the styling to match this

I love this type of design

[steady osprey]

yeah thats what i was thinking

alot of the current nms style is very simplified

[glass flare]

I'm thinking this is what happens to Dissonant systems in a future update, after Void Mama finishes corrupting the system

[rustic haven]

do you know if anyone translated all the binary/hexadecimal (whatever it is?)

I assume binary because of the obvious reasons

[steady osprey]

hoping that this is just a whole space station overhaul, maybe we can finally own them and that the inside of the stations is completely reworked

[glass flare]

from what? the camps? I think it is all known now

[rustic haven]

What does it translate too?

[glass flare]

Astaroth88 compiled it all, not positive that's all of them #nms-spoilers message

2-Forgoten moons of korvax prime...
3-The junkyard moons...
4-Still bear the stamp of our birtplace...
5-Quarantined away in the bad sectors... 
6-Pokets of sentience left behind...
7-We can save them...
8-No memory deserves erasure...
9-We can extract them...
10-Drink their foam...
11-Transcend our heritage...
12-The pungeum that greases our joints...
13-Help ourselfs to the best of all technology...
14-A segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise...
15-Alpha through Omega
16-All hardware is imperfect...
17-A pitiable hivemind...
18-Defy the cult...
19-Defy deference...
20- ...16...
21 -Kzzktk.... ```

[rustic haven]

def not all of them

and thats not the translated portions

[glass flare]

then i'm not sure what you mean

[rustic haven]

nvm

the 1's and zero's

[solar cairn]

Oh, this is different

This spells out VOID_MOTHER ??

[rustic haven]

that makes sense

[steady osprey]

this one looks sick

i can imagine people are going to start space station hunting when this drops

[rustic haven]

only if they can claim stations

[solar cairn]

This is fascinating. Because convergence cubes hold personalities of Korvax. And a cube basically singles out one personality from the convergence itself, the great Disconnect, many joined that pool again or got lost. Maybe that is what they are trying to retrieve?

[rustic haven]

otherwise if there is no purpose then its just a neat little detail

[steady osprey]

yeah true

i realised they look quite similar to the elite dangerous stations

[solar cairn]

Hopefully, it'll drop when we can claim them with override chips

[elfin moss]

I had three in my inventory right now, but how do I use them?

[solar cairn]

You can't "use" them. They are Korvax Gifts, you could exchange for I believe standing. Or some monoliths for a leyline

And a few other uses here and there

[elfin moss]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[rustic haven]

aparently you can use em to claim settlments

[solar cairn]

Why you facepalming?

[solar cairn]

I didn't know that. Interesting.

[elfin moss]

Didn’t know.

[solar cairn]

Ooh

[solar cairn]

Though, creepy fact. Holding Korvax Casings and Convergence Cubes.... You just lugging around whole Korvax bodies

New spin on Trafficking eh?

[rustic haven]

I mean we litterally use their blood and skin as a currency so not really a shocking revelasion

[solar cairn]

Ok ok. But Nanites are the blood of all robot lifeforms

Robot fauna also give nanites

[rustic haven]

then how is a korvak casing any different then a harddrive

[solar cairn]

Well, it would be more like a Computer Shell

Than a hard drive.

The hard drive would be the cube

[glass flare]

this was a cypher right? I wasn't paying attention when people were figuring that out. I mean that binary in the screenshot is just T , corresponding to "the eighth" but I don't know what this was ever used for

[rustic haven]

Not sure either

[solar cairn]

Nah, just straight Binary translation

People put the letters togetehr

[glass flare]

just 1-16 or whatever? and what did that spell

[rustic haven]

VOID_MOTHER ?

apparently

[glass flare]

yeah that would track

a bit disappointing to do all that for no real lore payoff

[solar cairn]

1 - 11 I believe. With 12-16 being unknown and 17 being literally ??

Like. Not in binary

[rustic haven]

yeah thats 1-11

[solar cairn]

But it is with a 5 space gap.

[rustic haven]

so void mother ..... ?

[solar cairn]

And 17 being ??

[rustic haven]

let me gues

is the word going to be ALIVE?

[solar cairn]

Yes. Nobody has the 12-16 ones yet

[solar cairn]

Can't.
That would be
Void_MotherAlive

No space

[glass flare]

i think i got "the twelfth" the other night but not the binary portion

[rustic haven]

so is it rare or not available?

I assume unavailable due to data miners not knowing it

[solar cairn]

No clue

[glass flare]

unless they added more in one of the patches and the dataminers haven't been looking

[solar cairn]

Who knows.

Or later be revealed with more content

[raw pecan]

I sincerely doubt HG would add more lore content in an otherwise purely bugfix patch

[valid pelican]

So, what do we know about this uh

Purple plauge?

[regal heron]

is this the one you meant gek?

[valid pelican]

I’m on a corrupted planet, trying to see what i can find

I found a weird lifeform with a entirely gelatinous body, with what looks to be bubbles inside

The spider things are kind of cute

[regal heron]

short version, it seems to be sentinels from the World of Glass and the Void Mother, who is the destroyed AI and first Convergence of Korvax Prime, doing something

[valid pelican]

This stuff is probably safe, right?

[regal heron]

guess we’ll find out soon enough 😆

[steady osprey]

the vykeen planetary archives are really cool

my favourite one was the vykeen praising a traveller because they joined the vykeen side and became the leader/king or something

and it was written as a poem

[unborn raven]

first monolith of the day is a korvax. blessed

[final wyvern]

whats a boundary map :o

[midnight notch]

Sentinel Boundary, the things where you get Sentinel guns

And you can deactivate the Sentinels on the planet

And if you complete phase 5 - you get map thingy for corruoted

[final wyvern]

me with my storage unit filled with it

[final wyvern]

oh the sentinel pillar ones didnt know it was called a boundary map

[solar cairn]

So close, oh so close

[unborn raven]

hmm. this korvax archive is pretty interesting

[final wyvern]

so she died

rebirthed

and now she lives

[solar cairn]

And just like Atlantis.. she was lost beneath the Waves. The Isle of Atlas gone

[sterile quiver]

what are sentinels

are they just rbots whow anna dominate the space

[solar cairn]

Bit more complex than that

[regal heron]

I love that the sentinel pillar lore gives a throwaway reference to void dragons
I want a void dragon!

[mental socket]

Sentinels are keeping order in the universe. They're sort of like an antivirus

as of now they're the lesser "evil"

well sentinels aren't really evil at all

[solar cairn]

Void dragons? Or leviathans?

[solar cairn]

"order" is also not fully described either.

[regal heron]

who knows, just a brief reference
As we swam with void dragons, robotic lifeforms would delight in our presence, but organics would shoot us from the sky. But we had no fear of death. We knew we had never been alive.
and nothing more

[regal heron]

the more I read, the more I'm thinking this
tho, the stuff is from their perspective, so biased perhaps

[solar cairn]

So weird. Because the Living Frigates and Living Ships are thought to be of the same space.

Or from the same space

[uncut harness]

Living ships and frigates seem weirdly linked to the Korvax

Which I guess makes sense, mechanical lifeforms and organic machines

[solar cairn]

So, I was looking up the Void Dragons and Leviathan link.

There are some Jewish connections to Leviathan being "dragons of the deep"

[regal heron]

the void dragons are in the 4th log, the creation of the void mother isn't mentioned until the 8th log, so they predate her and her creation of the living ships, unless she used the earlier void dragons in their creation
and yes, the living vessels are called the adoptive cousins of the korvax , both living on and around Korvax Prime

[solar cairn]

I wouldn't use log stamps as what predated who perse. Just the order of discovery

[regal heron]

fair point, tho these logs seem to be a retelling of this history chronologically

[solar cairn]

Could be possible that the Abyss existed during this time before the destruction of KP

[uncut harness]

I think void dragons refers to both living ships and frigates

[solar cairn]

Same

[uncut harness]

There's a couple of strange links between them and korvax prime

[meager tangle]

Korvax prime was a beta Atlas?

[solar cairn]

Dragons also being associated with Leviathans. And Leviathan update

Yeah, Atlas Attempting to create itself

[meager tangle]

So then... Korvax are beta sentinels?!

[solar cairn]

No. Not exactly

[uncut harness]

Every race of the triad had a version of the atlas

Can't remember which log that's from though

[meager tangle]

What if, if Korvax prime was a planet and an early model, what if the Atlas is Galaxy sized and is actually simulation entire galaxies within itself?

Like not as a PC simulates, but actually galaxy sized and projecting it inwards

[uncut harness]

The atlas isn't given a scale as such, but it's not that big

[solar cairn]

Alantid (void mother - I couldn't find many real world examples of Alantid but of Atlantis. The Isle of Atlas "lost beneath the waves")

[solar cairn]

Korvax Prime was simulated In Atlas. There is no model of it made by the Creators

[meager tangle]

I know lol, I'm theorizing based on lore. That log snippet says korvax prime was modeled after earlier versions of the atlas

[solar cairn]

I'm gonna look into the Jewish connection of Leviathan some more. Because it is also being described as "she"

[regal heron]

and the sentinels were given bodies by Atlas too, before that they were purely a runtime protocol in the simulation, but Atlas made them 'real'

[solar cairn]

And now they no longer take orders from atlas since the destruction of KP

[meager tangle]

I mean

If KP was modeled after early versions of the atlas, the atlas may have tried implementing early versions of its code

Which could result in weird subroutines, like trying to boot windows in a windows window

[solar cairn]

It wasn't. It was Atlas trying to create itself.

[meager tangle]

Something has to prototype and model generations of itself in order to successfully simulate itself

[solar cairn]

Destroyed or Enslaved.

[meager tangle]

Yes, because KP was destroyed and the korvax enslaved

[solar cairn]

And partially modeled. Not fully

This could be talking about the Convergence.

[uncut harness]

Korvax prime was also a simulation device

[solar cairn]

Oooh

[meager tangle]

It mentioned the korvax in the dialog before that one, talking about the first spawn using it to conquer the outer fringes

[uncut harness]

Balaron had one too, as did the V'ykeen home world

[solar cairn]

AI tho.

[uncut harness]

Don't remember it's name

[solar cairn]

Remnants of Loop16 and Emily?

[meager tangle]

But that makes me think. What if KP wasn't fully destroyed? What if after being ordered to essentially kill a version of their creator, the code was corrupted, and this sub-modeled early atlas started trying to take over

[uncut harness]

I need to know more about wt

Didn't get a chance to take part in it

[solar cairn]

Or did all of these simulate part of Atlas Behavior like the whole boundary failure logs [-----] Silence and self mystification

[uncut harness]

Korvax prime was as destroyed as the gek could destroy, but the void mother is what remains

[solar cairn]

There is a pinned comment to the website

[meager tangle]

In pc terms, even if you delete something, the data is still there until it's overwritten, we just snip user access and tell the pc it's okay to write new things there

I imagine the atlas has a ton of storage space, maybe it keeps having Travellers wipe it hoping to overwrite that leak

[solar cairn]

We have seen Atlas get anxious when it can't remember things it Knows the Creator wiped from memory. I doubt it would want travellers to wipe its memory frequently

[regal heron]

the Void Mother, She-Who-Was, and all the korvax echoes that were stored in her as her function as the Convergence when KP was destroyed are presumably now in the World of Glass, as I think all the sentinels we 'kill' are too

[solar cairn]

Or anything we purge

[meager tangle]

I don't think it's trying to wipe it's memory, just write something else in the space the deleted file is still operaring

[solar cairn]

It still operates in a Panic of its own death

[meager tangle]

It doesn't seem to be good at wiping, even after several resets it still remembers it's encounter with the creator, even starts to remember it's not the first time its creator booted it

[solar cairn]

Memory overflow. Or Data Overflow

[meager tangle]

Exactly

[solar cairn]

I know some older hardware was prone to that issue

[meager tangle]

I think KP/The void mother might be operating in that space

Deleted but not gone, just had it's user access voided

[solar cairn]

Memory leak could present itself in weird "corrupted" ways as well. Like (hopefully) monstrosities and that goo on every abandoned thing

[meager tangle]

And planets with stuff that says 'plant' and that was obvious a building texture

[solar cairn]

It's just strange that the alantium or whatever it's called and Living Ships are from the same place, but look vastly different

[meager tangle]

One could be the result of emergent code and the other an overflown program

[solar cairn]

No clue. Pure speculation at that point

[meager tangle]

Creepers in minecraft were emergent, they do not do what they were intended lol

Yeah

But NMS is good at that, leaving you hungry for more info with no choice but to theorize

[solar cairn]

It gets people very invested in the lore talking

[sterile quiver]

what is it then

[solar cairn]

Like a rogue security program

[sterile quiver]

like are they artemises

[solar cairn]

No

We are Artemis

[sterile quiver]

so they are securing the system?

[solar cairn]

Not really, not anymore.

[sterile quiver]

were the anomoly

[sterile quiver]

so they used to?

[solar cairn]

They just wish to prevent the destruction of Korvax Prime, by attacking anything doing something that reminds them of the Screams of Korvax Prime

[sterile quiver]

artemis is like the traveler i think

[solar cairn]

And the Anomaly

[sterile quiver]

who is korvax prime

[sterile quiver]

so we are artemis and anomoly?

but we are finding artemis right

[solar cairn]

Oh boy oh boy. How early in the Main story are you?

[sterile quiver]

isnt artemis the deathstar

umm

i just finished the artemis mission

where you go there

[solar cairn]

You finished the entire Artemis quest?

[sterile quiver]

i just finished going to artemis

thats it

the dearthstar

[errant veldt]

@uncut harness so what abt the creator?

[sterile quiver]

but you said that we are artemis

but artemis is the deathstar

[solar cairn]

Did you meet Null yet?

[sterile quiver]

no

[regal heron]

the anomaly? really early on in the story then

[uncut harness]

-{{THE TRAVELLERS}}- The ATLAS lives for millennia. It dreams world upon world, fantastic creatures of its own devising and skies in which they might soar. And then one day it starts to die, as all things do. In its fear, in its confusion, the ATLAS awakens. It attempts to summon its creator back into being. It wants to know what to do before the end. It wants to know why it was abandoned, why it has to face this moment alone. It wants to know why I left it behind. [Exist] The Travellers are born, spun from the corrupted memory of its creator. They are seeded to every universe, to become what the circumstances might make them. I see myself begin, the last of the Travellers...

[solar cairn]

You're early in the quest

[sterile quiver]

oh yea its the anomoly

and the artemis is like the guy were finding

[solar cairn]

Very early in the quest

[sterile quiver]

okay

so is korvax prime good guys

[errant veldt]

But still... we don't know the species and what they look like

[uncut harness]

This extract is really interesting

[errant veldt]

Yeah

[uncut harness]

@solar cairn look at the use of 'I' in it

[sterile quiver]

so is the main character human

[harsh pelican]

how long does the atlas even have left

[sterile quiver]

he has a body of a human

[harsh pelican]

is it ever mentioned?

[uncut harness]

16 minutes

16 // 16 // 16

[harsh pelican]

aha

[errant veldt]

Ye has the body of a bipedal anthromorphic

[uncut harness]

Its mentioned more than anything else in the game

[harsh pelican]

but it slows down time for us in its simulation?

[sterile quiver]

what is that

[errant veldt]

But we don't know how long that is in our time

Therefore

[uncut harness]

We can assume the creator is human thanks to WT

[errant veldt]

Wt?

[errant veldt]

Something that stands like a human

[sterile quiver]

oh

so artemis is my name

[uncut harness]

waking titan

[harsh pelican]

idk why the humans would leave the atlas

[uncut harness]

the ARG

[harsh pelican]

its so rude come on

[errant veldt]

What?

[harsh pelican]

its an AI that isn't evil

[regal heron]

human is mentioned in one of the crashed freighter logs, one near the end

[errant veldt]

Wtf is arg and walking titan

[uncut harness]

alternate reality game

see the pins

[errant veldt]

Ok so it gave more lore

[uncut harness]

lots more lore

[errant veldt]

So that means that the anomaly is human?

Is it a solid truth

[uncut harness]

The anomalies are travellers of sorts

[sterile quiver]

ok so who is artemis

[errant veldt]

Or could there be different creators

[uncut harness]

not sure why the game differentiates them

[uncut harness]

a traveller

[sterile quiver]

okay

[uncut harness]

sounds like you need to continue with the storyline

[sterile quiver]

so why do we wanna go to him

[errant veldt]

So we will never be sure if the anomaly is human

[errant veldt]

Lost, he lost

[sterile quiver]

so

we wanna save

a single dude

thats it?

that is our goal??

[errant veldt]

It's called being a good person

[sterile quiver]

but its just 1 guy

[uncut harness]

the goal of the main storyline at first is to save artemis

[sterile quiver]

so we know whos artemis

[errant veldt]

So? You could still be saving a life

[uncut harness]

yes

artemis is a traveller

[sterile quiver]

so artemis is our friend?

[uncut harness]

how far through the storyline are you?

[errant veldt]

That doesn't remember nada

There is smth important

Nada remembers them tho

[sterile quiver]

i just went into the deathstar

i talked to nada

and other of the dudes

[uncut harness]

keep playing, you aren't too far through

[ancient pendant]

The deathstar

[sterile quiver]

yea

it looks like a death star

[sterile quiver]

spoil me

[ancient pendant]

You are absolutely correct

That’s just funny

[sterile quiver]

cmon man

just google death star

and anomoly

[uncut harness]

I can spoil if you want

[sterile quiver]

yea sure

[uncut harness]

How much?

[sterile quiver]

like extreme

im kinda lost in story

so yea that would be helpful

[ancient pendant]

I have watched Star Wars, and I agree, it’s just funny

[sterile quiver]

yea it even has that hole

[uncut harness]

You've just got to the anomaly and told Nada about Artemis

[sterile quiver]

yea i just spammed left click

so yea

[uncut harness]

Nada isn't going to tell you everything they know, so you have to work it out yourself

[ancient pendant]

Oh dear haha

[sterile quiver]

oh

okay

[uncut harness]

Now you're just gonna keep trying to find artemis for a bit until you meet apollo

[sterile quiver]

okay

so you didnt spoil me

[uncut harness]

I spoiled you enough

[sterile quiver]

what

thats it?

[uncut harness]

Thats not everything

you'll learn more as you play the story

[errant veldt]

Actually read it

[sterile quiver]

yea

[errant veldt]

Don't just spam

Read

Good lore

[wet copper]

What is the origin of the Anomaly?

That nexus whereby Polo and Nada reside. It was first discovered by Polo...Is Polo the memory engram of Atlas that keeps surviving the attempts at purging the AI of its memories?

[final wyvern]

they really should have stuck with this design for the mosquito type

[solar cairn]

"I" being the Last Traveller?

Well it's written in the POV of The Creator.
Hear me out, this might sound crazy. You know how VR loads it says "Powered by Dreams"
This is a Stretch, but every traveller we came across was an NPC. Perhaps when we "load the game" we are the Door that emerges from the Dark and the Light.

[uncut harness]

At first it says it wants to know why I left it behind, but the creator has already left by this point

It then says I see myself, the last of the travellers

[solar cairn]

We know at the end of the 16 the creator does come back

But we don't know why

[uncut harness]

someone comes back

it doesnt necessarily mean the creator

[final wyvern]

finished reading phase 1 of waking titan

that was a hell of a ride XD

lots of nice puzzles, sadly most of the websites are down but there were pictures and voice recordings

[glass flare]

i kind of have PTSD of that ship. we were working so long trying to find clues in the corrupted image file of that during Waking Titan

[glass flare]

I don't remember it saying "Powered by Dreams" when I ran NMS on the PSVR2. But the VR product in Waking Titan was indeed powered by the dreams of those who wore it. EASY AND SAFE DREAM INDUCTION Stimulating the Frontal and Temporal lobe of the brain using low-frequency signals: Our headset drops you into your own personal virtual space by using the brain’s natural processing power to generate cutting-edge 3d graphics in real time. This process puts you into a deep sleep while keeping you conscious of your actions, allowing you to act freely within the Dreamscape.

[solar cairn]

Who else could it be?

[uncut harness]

not sure

[solar cairn]

The creator was the only one that was empathetic towards the machine, allowing it to upload their consciousness to it

[uncut harness]

I doubt they would decide to leave and then risk their life to see it again quarter of an hour later

[final wyvern]

which makes the idea that atlas dying isnt really sound possible

[uncut harness]

I dont see any evidence that says the atlas isnt dying

[unborn raven]

finally a sort of normal gek monolith

[final wyvern]

someone said that atlas was built to predict ways of how it would die and it became self aware of his memory getting wiped, making atlas believe that it will truly die would provide better results

they had some ingame text but i couldnt find it

[silent gorge]

i just noticed that the middle digit for all of the camps i've visited thus far is 9.

[final wyvern]

same

9 is always there

[silent gorge]

i've been writing them on a note card because my short-term memory is garbage and i only just noticed hehe

[final wyvern]

seems like i misunderstood it nvm

[silent gorge]

aww disappointing. 16, 16, 16 didn't do anything

[solar cairn]

That's if the threat of death is real

[uncut harness]

Which it is, unless it says otherwise somewhere

The atlas is breaking down and dying, theres in game evidence

not just the lore

[unborn raven]

thanks, korvax monolith cheering me on

[glass flare]

I'm not sure about that interpretation. it's the obvious one, but I feel like the hand is the creator editing the file of the predicted future the Atlas sees so it can't see its own death, out of some sense of compassion the creator has for it. Atlas will (physically) be there alone when it is destroyed, but it won't have to know that. in fact it now mistakenly believes someone is there with it

[solar cairn]

Part of me thinks it could be manufactured. Part of me doesnt

[uncut harness]

Im not sure how or why it would be manufactured

Entire planets have glitched out, the atlas is going rampant and dismembering parts of itself, going insane in a way

[solar cairn]

Reason I think it's the creator is because the creator has wiped its memory before, placing a hand on its glass. And I might me misremembering the in game lore we have after the figure appears out of dark and light, but the do the same action

[uncut harness]

The boundaries are failing

[solar cairn]

It's like telling a computer to do something, it shouldn't. Like MissingNo.

Or. Telling the computer to predict after death.

[uncut harness]

The atlas cannot see beyond its death

[solar cairn]

Right. But it's trying it's hardest to, slowly destroying itself. (Hypothesis)

[uncut harness]

I just don't think the atlas would be in the state it is if it wasn't actually dying

[glass flare]

right, I feel like Atlas showed the creator its predicted future, the creator was distressed by this, so it edited the prediction to leave out seeing its own death, and wiped the memory. so the Atlas thinks the edited prediction is the real one. I could be wrong. But I believe the lore that the black hole will destroy it, so in that scenario of course the creator won't be there. they're probably already long dead by then.

ultimately it doesn't matter that much to me, I'm mostly interested in lore which predicts and shapes future gameplay and content

[solar cairn]

If it predicted before, why can't it do it again? Or are they running trials for these AIs. Do the undoable. Predict what happens after death. These are designed to predict the future with perfect accuracy. What happens if it can't?

Is that why Atlas is obsolete?

[uncut harness]

the atlas is alone

If the creator had made it so it could not simulate its own death, that would have been long ago

long ago on our timescale at least

[glass flare]

I tell the ATLAS it has served us faithfully, but that it has been replaced. All machines are, in time. It knows this: it assisted with its own miniaturisation, its own replication.

[solar cairn]

Like computers of today

[glass flare]

which is a common to the idea of AI Singularity, that a superadvanced AI will obsolete itself by designing its replacement

[solar cairn]

Probably already has happened. We are playing in fractions of a second compared to Atlas

[ancient pendant]

Just finished atlas path, how come he looks different to the poster art and everything else in and out of game

[uncut harness]

If the creator was worried about the atlas simulating its own death, I also doubt they would upload their own mind

[solar cairn]

I don't think they were worried.

They just felt sad for it in the moment

[solar cairn]

It's like consoling someone you know is passing.

[glass flare]

there's a couple odd things in those Rememberance logs I've never been able to figure out, one is the mention of KORVA. obviously this is a play on Korvax, but no idea what it is. another AI? I ask why it does not just simulate me. It does not answer, and I feel almost sorry for the thing. I do as it asks, allowing it to scan me. The KORVA stutters as we do.

[uncut harness]

I'm just not really on board with the atlas not dying theory tbh

seems like a bit of a stretch

[solar cairn]

Oh it is

But from what

[uncut harness]

I assume its the machine the creator used to scan themselves

[glass flare]

maybe Atlas formed the idea of Sentinels and all their relentless scanning of things from this

[uncut harness]

They have similar behaviour

scan to preserve

fear of the unknown

[solar cairn]

Purge threats

[gray tinsel]

I actually just finished the base computer archives mission at long last

I was starting to think it was an infinite repeating quest lol

[uncut harness]

The lore from those is really good

I think it links up to a lot of the other lore but I'm yet to discuss that with anyone

[gray tinsel]

I'm pretty confused but I don't want to get spoilers until I finished the game

So I won't ask about Laylaps

I'm actually finishing all the side missions one by one before the main quest lol

[uncut harness]

They'll make a lot more sense with the main storyline

[gray tinsel]

I hope

[glass flare]

I imagine they took the name from the Greek mythological dog Laelaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laelaps_(mythology)

[cyan dome]

YO LAYLAPS IS DOGGY CONFIRMED!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[solar cairn]

I have to finish those

[solar cairn]

N.. no

[cyan dome]

ik I'm kidding

We already have one robo dog

[solar cairn]

Too bad it isn't as OP as the hostile ones

[glass flare]

I just read all the sentinel pillar logs, wow... I had no idea how much juicy stuff was in there

[solar cairn]

Remembrance, sentinel pillar, boundary failure logs. THE JUICIEST

[uncut harness]

Its super juicy

That and BCA is what I want to link

[glass flare]

I don't know who the "we" always is in these logs (in three of them it's Laylaps, but unsure about the rest), but it sounds like they want to somehow bring back the creator, I'm assuming from the scanned version You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

[uncut harness]

I assume we refers to the sentinels

It definitely does at the start

It would only make sense if it continued to

[glass flare]

some of them are for sure

but then there's this one which talks about the Sentinels in the third person Nanite clusters now infest half the water in the known multiverse. All that lives, drinks the water. And so the Sentinels alter, they replace, they serve.

[uncut harness]

I presume thats just the sentinels referring to themselves

after all they are a hive

[solar cairn]

In the form of Null????

[glass flare]

i assume they didn't mean literally Null, but were basically saying that like Null did they would defy the Atlas's will

I'm not sure I'm a fan of the Sentinels becoming this emotive, independent-thinking AI force. I get that HG did this to make them seem like more of an interesting enemy than just fighting mindless robots, but the Sentinels were just a glorified memory management subroutine in the Atlas's system.

[uncut harness]

the sentinels are very interesting

there is a reason for them to attack you

[glass flare]

I guess I can buy that the data corruption that is happening to the entire Atlas system has also corrupted the programming of the Sentinels

[uncut harness]

and its a good reason too

Honestly I think the sentinels have the best case out of anyone else in the NMS lore

They make sense

[glass flare]

As a programmer myself, it just doesn't line up for me that the Sentinels would even be aware of the Creator as a former person, they would be limited to knowledge of the data structures in the simulation and that's it

[uncut harness]

The atlas isn't comparable to a normal computer

The action of deleting things is sentient

[glass flare]

the Atlas is actually the only thing that should be aware of anything outside the simulation. but whatever, it is what it is

[uncut harness]

is anything else aware?

[glass flare]

there was a debate earlier as to whether Atlas is actually dying, this seems to be a yes according to Atlas itself [-------] claims that we are approaching our end, and that it is only correct for me to know of this, as normal system functions will be impeded.

(boundary failure log)

[solar cairn]

Claims and Is are different things

Also, Null tortured sentinels for Glyphs

[glass flare]

oh Null did a lot worse than that, he murdered other Travellers

[solar cairn]

So did we

[glass flare]

says who

[solar cairn]

Living ship Quest: Soul Arc

Capture 3 Travellers

[analog breach]

We didint killed them imo they where already dead and had graves. We just harvested their souls

[solar cairn]

You killed a soul.

Seems like taking life to me

[analog breach]

Can you kill a soul?

[solar cairn]

You can take life

[unborn bough]

||you just got rickrolled!||

[solar cairn]

|| you know the rules, and So do I.||

[unborn bough]

Nope

Not clicking that

[solar cairn]

You'll never know

[unborn bough]

I'm happy with it. 😛

[solar cairn]

Sucks for anyone else

[unborn bough]

lol

Going through the discussion though! Interesting stuffs

[solar cairn]

Mhm!

[uncut harness]

more lore

[unborn bough]

Akshully, we trapped their soul into the machine (another reference to Ghost in a shell), and gave them life. All of our "living ships" may actually be travelers.

[uncut harness]

gonna get back to going through the sentinel pillar lore

[solar cairn]

You still took a life for your use

Sounds like murder

And Living Ships now being connected to Void Mother. And the abyss. You sent them straight to Atlas Death plane

[glass flare]

I never finished the living ship quest (so annoying), but reading the lore it sounds like all that was done was taking graves in the same way we took Artemis's grave

what Null did was different

They stared at the Atlas. They knew they were all just data, ghosts caught within a machine.

They thought, briefly, of the Traveller they had once been, yearning to see the entire cosmos,

revelling in the joy of discovery.

They stared at the mirror, and consumed the Arc."```

Null murdered the travellers, took their mind arcs and consumed them

[uncut harness]

that sounds like boundary failure

right?

[glass flare]

yeah

[uncut harness]

boundary failure lore is awesome

[solar cairn]

Travellers don't have mind arcs. The mind arc is a device

[glass flare]

yeah the mind arc contained the traveller's soul i assume

[analog breach]

Took only the soul of the dead. Life was already taken.

[solar cairn]

So, captured a soul and "consumed" it or Used it. Like we did

Did Null murder then? If we didn't?

[solar cairn]

Taken from where? It was still there...

[glass flare]

the difference is the other travellers were already dead. why would the text use "murder" if it was talking about graves

[solar cairn]

There are more definitions of murder than killing. It can also mean "taking a life" which is what I described we did

[analog breach]

Soul is not alive tho . Soul cant be alive by itself. It needs body or vessel

[solar cairn]

Then what Null did wasn't murder

[uncut harness]

So was artemis another soul for null to collect?

The mind arc prevents the soul from dying

[solar cairn]

I don't think he ever intended to collect Artemis. If so, why give us the Mind Arc?

[uncut harness]

So perhaps null is keeping them in eternal torture by keeping their souls

[solar cairn]

Null at that point was pinnacle nihilism

[uncut harness]

Null has committed horrors beyond comprehension, from what I implied

[solar cairn]

Is it torture? Or do they too get lonely?

[solar cairn]

Oh they have. I still think they were the first iteration of Traveller.

[uncut harness]

They are

[solar cairn]

We have other travellers to help us understand, Null knew what Atlas knew. True Isolation

Isolation makes anyone go insane

[uncut harness]

Null was the first, we are the last

[solar cairn]

Both Used mind arcs. And some chose to keep a soul alive

More used 3 for a living ship.

[glass flare]

Null is introduced during the mission The First Traveller. i think it's pretty certain they were the first

[solar cairn]

Ok. Definitely the first traveller

[uncut harness]

Travellers dying confuses me though

[dusky kernel]

I still find myself confused about the layout of the simulation
like is each galaxy considered a separate "universe" or are all 256 in the same one out of presumably infinite?
was there meant to be one traveller per one galaxy, or all 256, before the "walls of reality" fell apart and made multiplayer canon?

[uncut harness]

Because they can't die, but they also can

Null has died and we have died

Both didn't stay dead

But artemis did

[solar cairn]

Yes. We are all 1 traveller. But we can cross paths

[solar cairn]

Something about using the mind arc. We aren't explained what that tech is. And seeing it being used in living ships, we might have sent that iteration to the Abyss. Null didn't go to the Abyss. When we die, we don't either.

[glass flare]

In fact I think when the Sentinel pillar log talks about "the first and the last", they are referring to Null and us specifically We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last.

[solar cairn]

Will we get to speak to Apollo, and Null again?

[uncut harness]

I still don't understand the lifespan of travellers though

[solar cairn]

I don't think they have one

[uncut harness]

Yet they die

[dusky kernel]

what is the "universe"?
is it the entire game or merely what is really just a galaxy that people confuse it with

[solar cairn]

Like, they are immortal. But that doesn't mean they can't be killed

[uncut harness]

And only sometimes stay dead

[solar cairn]

Just means they can't die of natural causes

[uncut harness]

What causes them to stay dead?

[dusky kernel]

wasn't there a traveller that escaped the world of glass with laylaps

[uncut harness]

Yes

I believe that was us

[solar cairn]

I don't think they do. Unless something happens to cause that data to be deleted

[uncut harness]

Which further confuses me

Because artemis died and stayed dead

[dusky kernel]

we're all the same traveller according to lore so yes

[solar cairn]

Could this be Null?

[uncut harness]

It's from the BCA

So whoever we were before the game started

[dusky kernel]

the traveller from the abandoned building logs?

[solar cairn]

Yeah

Ball of light dude

[dusky kernel]

yeah
guy who explored everything only to realize it was all just an insignificance

cause he died

and came back repeatedly, from doing something with the graves

[solar cairn]

Null. But, there was an excerpt here that also spoke of Null being united or something like that

[uncut harness]

But null was not who we were before the game started

Null is the first, then there are trillions of iterations between us

Are we a new iteration with each death? Or each galaxy reset?

What causes the next iteration?

[solar cairn]

You could be whole again, Telamon. You could be free. We will reconstruct the Creator. All Travellers might be one again, the first, the last. We will do what the Atlas cannot or will not. In the form of Null, the abyss declares a means of escape!

This was what I meant

[solar cairn]

No, we were a corrupt memory of the Creator's personality that Atlas tried to remember

[uncut harness]

I'm not sure if that is referring to Null when it says null

Because null is -null-

The base computer archives clearly state a previous owner

Which I assume was the iteration before us

[solar cairn]

But, things being corrupt from the world of Glass. Escape with Telamon. -null- being 0 or Null. Null and Void.

[solar cairn]

Is there any more details about this?

[glass flare]

My feeling is each iteration is a previous iteration of the universe. not a "galaxy reset", but a previous version of the simulation. Null has somehow survived all of these (probably by cannibalizing other travellers)

[solar cairn]

Maybe. But didn't each AI have a different protocol in the Machine?

[uncut harness]

Everything in BCA is the logs of a traveller

[solar cairn]

Hmm

[uncut harness]

Whether it's a specific one or a random one is hard to tell

[solar cairn]

But Null is the first traveller

[uncut harness]

The way to work it out lies in how travellers die

[solar cairn]

Definitely ain't written by him

[uncut harness]

And how iterations change

If they change at all

[solar cairn]

Define Owner in the BCA context?

[uncut harness]

You're decrypting the logs in the base computer

Which were left by someone

[solar cairn]

Ok a previous iteration.

Thanks

[uncut harness]

It could possibly be null

Null cut open a sentinel

[solar cairn]

Before he went all Nihilistic?

[uncut harness]

Which is how laylaps was created

[solar cairn]

And how we learned of the Glyphs

[uncut harness]

How null learnt the glyphs at least

[solar cairn]

But what morphed null into... Null, but each traveller distinct?

Is it just prolonged Data corruption?

Things from the Void seems to also remember past and future iterations.

Though all of the Overseer stuff mentioned being paid by a "son" I think?

[uncut harness]

If it is null that would be great

[solar cairn]

They have been paid already

[uncut harness]

We can really quickly start putting stuff in chronological order

The boundary failures explain nulls fall

[solar cairn]

We have no concrete stuff to pin Null to all that. Just an educated guess

[uncut harness]

And the BCA explain a travellers journey into and out of the world of glass

[solar cairn]

It makes lots of sense tho

[uncut harness]

It'd just be nice if it was

[solar cairn]

Maybe this is how new Iterations morphed. Like... They do die, but none remember what the Abyss was... Or Was it black before white to "initialize"?

[uncut harness]

I don't follow

[glass flare]

I think the person in the BCA could actually be Telamon We sought an escape from reality. That’s why we’re all here, isn’t it? I can remember what it was like, to be a Traveller. To me this evokes the Dreamers of the WARE project in Waking Titan, which of course Telamon was one and got trapped in the simulation

[uncut harness]

Telamon is the suit though

Not the traveller

[solar cairn]

So. If a Traveller dies. We see a quote before we are prompted to respawn.

When we first load a game or Expedition, it is a White Screen with a prompt.

We know Travellers die many times. And that things from the World of Glass get corrupted if it comes back.

If Null left the World of Glass as the trigger (Atlas in a Panic trying to remember his Creator's consciousness, which could have already been deleted by subroutines)

Like a data pruning

[glass flare]

Telemon wasn't always in the suit though, Atlas made them the suit at some point

[uncut harness]

They were a sub protocol at first

[solar cairn]

Telamon suddenly woke up one day, speaking words which were not their own

[uncut harness]

Before they were forced into the suit of every traveller

[solar cairn]

Like an Arch protocol.

[uncut harness]

The writer of BCA is definitely a traveller, and probably not null either

Just read 'the first traveller in history to escape the world of glass'

Which implies there were travellers before

[solar cairn]

And that Travellers can first go to the world of glass

Could mean they were not immortal at one point

[solar cairn]

Not null.

[glass flare]

I'm just not sure how We sought an escape from reality. That’s why we’re all here could represent a normal Traveller though. all the Travellers are simulations of the creator, who was not there to "escape reality". Only Telamon was in the sim originally for that purpose. But you're probably right and it's not them

[solar cairn]

Could be in lieu of Dreamers

Dreaming to escape reality.

But they were all rescued, no?

[uncut harness]

The bit that's difficult at the moment is putting everything chronologically

[solar cairn]

I mean, we can barely stitch together events for cohesiveness

[glass flare]

Telamon has suffered more than anyone else... a real person whose mind was uploaded to a sim, then forced to be a security protocol, then forced to spit out annoying messages to the travellers over and over

[uncut harness]

We need something bigger to put things together

[solar cairn]

I know of a program I use as a visual board.

[glass flare]

Telamon was not rescued. several of the dreamers died, including them. the only reason we know the dreamer who died in WT is Telamon is because the Iteration number is the same

[uncut harness]

Just logging everything in NMSLOKI is fine but it doesn't have analysis or chronology

[solar cairn]

Did Telamon escape the World of Glass?

As Traveller?

Or just bonded to a traveller?

[uncut harness]

Telamon was never a traveller

Just bound to them

[solar cairn]

With the program I use. You can actively move stuff around and draw lines.

Lucid Spark!

[glass flare]

Well, I mean the real person that was Telamon died while dreaming in the WARE sim. i don't know if the sim version "died" too

[solar cairn]

Hmm

[uncut harness]

Can you make group projects on it like Google sheets?

[solar cairn]

Yeah, I believe so

I can DM a link to it, for you to play around in before deciding something serious

[uncut harness]

That'd be good

[solar cairn]

Sent

[uncut harness]

Awesome ty

If we can pinpoint any part of the telamon/traveller/atlas stuff to any point during the race storied, that'd be a massive help

[solar cairn]

Will try. Gonna be scouring logs.

Should still keep the spreadsheet, just purely for data collection and reference though. Easier to have in 1 place

[gloomy isle]

How's it going in terms of the lore for this update?

[uncut harness]

None

Nada

Null

[solar cairn]

Not much in lore. Lots in Easter Eggs

[gloomy isle]

Is it still being pieced together?

Aah okay

[uncut harness]

This update has absolutely no lore

[solar cairn]

That sentinel camp still gots me suspicious

[uncut harness]

I wonder if there's a link between BCA and the sentinel pillar lore

[gloomy isle]

Yeah it's more clues than lore

[uncut harness]

Both mention laylaps

[solar cairn]

Maybe

[solar cairn]

I swear, the colors mean something

[gloomy isle]

The colours?

[solar cairn]

Of the text

Yeah

Purged in red
Banished in purple

Glass in purple.
Atlas in red

[uncut harness]

Purple is anything sentinel related

[gloomy isle]

Purple also being the Abyss, banished makes sense

[solar cairn]

Pure tinfoil hat speak right now tho. I have nothing to back it up with

[glass flare]

This passage made me believe that Telamon could have been something before being a sub-protocol. Or maybe Atlas was just lying about Telamon having been a real person. But it either way it puts some question into my mind about what form in the simulation Telamon originally took. ```SCENARIO: [-------] lied to me.

ANALYSIS: [-------] claimed I am merely a sub-protocol, designate ‘Telamon’. ```

[uncut harness]

Telamon just didn't want to believe that is all they were

[solar cairn]

Swear, if Atlas can lie. It breaks all my understanding

[uncut harness]

That or telamon remembers what they once were

[glass flare]

I mean it's possible, the problem with all of this lore is that everyone is an unreliable narrator

[solar cairn]

Stitching what is true or not. What can be debunked or no.

[uncut harness]

I wonder who at hg is in charge of the lore

[solar cairn]

The possibility of lies being told is what kinda make me think the black hole death could be faked

[solar cairn]

They need a massive bonus

[uncut harness]

They must have a plan for it

That links it all together

[solar cairn]

Gotta have a lore bible

Would have

More holes than swiss.

If not

[glass flare]

I dunno about that but I still have no idea what the passage means concerning the "white hole anomaly" that Telamon mentions

[uncut harness]

White holes are like time warps

[solar cairn]

That was explained in game?

[glass flare]

i don't remember any time warps in the game

in the pre-release builds you could sleep at monoliths and fast-forward time, but they took that out

[solar cairn]

From Google:
a hypothetical celestial object that expands outward from a space-time singularity and emits energy, in the manner of a time-reversed black hole.

[uncut harness]

In some manufacturing facilities they are mentioned

[solar cairn]

To the manufacturing logs!

[uncut harness]

They aren't stored unfortunately

Unless they're on the wiki somewhere

[solar cairn]

We got the Wiki... Hopefully

[glass flare]

it's just kind of bizarre because this idea of time travellers from the future doesn't connect to any other lore that i know of SCENARIO: Multiple contacts have occurred between the Traveller [HOST] and individuals claiming to have arrived from a future location in time.

[solar cairn]

There are a few other instances of it. But Never a person from the past going in the future. Always future back

[uncut harness]

Time travel is very possible in nms

It's experienced over and over

[solar cairn]

But could never go in the future

Always back

[uncut harness]

There's a specific interaction with a traveller which describes what would be expected at minute 10

Travellers flying side by side, boundaries broken

[glass flare]

well in a manner of speaking, Artemis contacts us from the "past"

[uncut harness]

Traveller:
Hm. It's really you, isn't it? I had to see it for myself. The dawn of the Travellers. The last days of the universe.
But don't give up hope. It's said that one of us visited you in your darkest hour and showed you a vision of a future you believed to be impossible.
So, here I am...

I see a vision of myself, older, undaunted, travelling beneath the star of an alien world. But I am not alone. There are other travellers with me. More than just apparitions, more than just visitors.
One day we will travel together, side by side. There will be no sky we cannot claim, no challenge which we cannot overcome. Our universe awaits.
The vision ends. The traveller asks me how I feel.
[Say it inspires you]
I say that it inspires me. The traveller grins, claiming that they knew I would say this. They give me a gift from my future self, in honour of my past.

[glass flare]

I suppose that was Telamon was reacting to with the boundaries starting to fail. It seems like these parallel simulation instances are run asynchronously, so one simulation run might be 2000 years beyond ours. hence travellers from different simulation runs might appear to be talking from the future Time cannot go backwards. But universes are not synchronous; in many, your other forms are long-since dead. In others, you have not even yet appeared. After its manifestation in the multiverse, the Atlas began to repeat itself. Where once there had been infinite sentient species, six began to recur… then five… then four…

[solar cairn]

https://www.nomansskyresources.com/forum/main/comment/07d717ce-e013-33f8-a4a8-f3f37db8a03d?postId=6070c24f6ab6f90015d3cf08

Number 33

[solar cairn]

Or a different galaxy / simulation

Like Apollo did

[solar cairn]

Damn

[solar cairn]

Huh. Totally forgot that. But that does mean 1 new Iteration from start to end = 1 traveller.

But we are all from the same data of Traveller.

Doesn't make sense if in the same simulation, you can have "previous owners" or have workers paid off in the future

[glass flare]

the Overseer was always a bit sus and I could see maybe he's being controlled by the Void Mother to direct us down a certain path of events. the "previous owner" and the logs might be planted as well, to give us knowledge on the sly. I dunno, otherwise yeah it's a bit fuzzy how it would all work

[glass flare]

thanks for these factory logs. the time stuff is kinda vague but at least there's a connection

[solar cairn]

It's very loose but yeah

Unless this is a plot hole?

[uncut harness]

There is definitely something up with the Overseer

There's a gek archive about them, the farmer knows something and they themselves act weird

[rustic haven]

I Knew the water was poisoned but didnt realize the korvak knows aswell

[rustic haven]

Possibly our overseer is infected by the void

[uncut harness]

That's a different Overseer

Not ours that we know of

[glass flare]

I remember interacting with a NPC who was afraid of the water on their planet, can't remember the exact dialogue though

[ancient pendant]

I’m trying to find out why atlas in game doesn’t have the same diamond shape shown in the posters and art work in and outside of the game
Anyone know why?

[solar cairn]

Sound
Like Dissonance
Or Harmony?

[rustic haven]

Good point, didn't think of that

[solar cairn]

Also, void Eggs hummed a frequency

[uncut harness]

So does the leviathan

[solar cairn]

Was it a song?

I think it was a song

[uncut harness]

A dreadful wailing

But the living frigates also give a whalesong

[prisma finch]

BRO THE NEW UPDATE AWESOME

[bronze schooner]

WHAT THE FU

[tame grotto]

Why is it a spoiler tho?

[bronze schooner]

|| cuz atlas stuff idk ||

ummmmmmm

|| will the game end if i say yes? 💀 ||

[uncut harness]

You'll have to find out. 😎

[bronze schooner]

....

[unborn bough]

Spoiler tags in #nms-spoilers especially created to openly talk about spoilers... spoilerception.

[bronze schooner]

alright...

[bronze schooner]

so...

[tame grotto]

Pick one

[bronze schooner]

.

[tame grotto]

Enjoy the journey. Don't stress too much with the "right" choice. Your choice is the right choice

[bronze schooner]

yeah, heard some like like that , that your choice is the right choice , even if it dosen't benefit you

[unborn bough]

There are no right or wrong choices. All of it is an ending to the tutorial.

We want to end the tutorial as fast as we can.

[bronze schooner]

what......

[uncut harness]

🦀

[tame grotto]

[uncut harness]

I can't believe that countdown actually counted all the way to zero.

I also can't believe I watched it countdown to zero to be sure.

[sour fossil]

Gee whiz, thanks for spoiling

[uncut harness]

Sorry 😔

[sour fossil]

Full length Shrek movie emote when

[bronze schooner]

lol....

[tame grotto]

Jokes fosho

[icy citrus]

It tells a joke

Most don't catch it

Mumbles did

[tame grotto]

Tell meeee. Begs in spoiler tags.

[icy citrus]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345378190568587275/1094324075704361051/image.png||

[mighty rampart]

wait fuck that is a good joke

only realising it now

[gloomy isle]

My main theory rn about the hints from this update is that we're going to get an expedition about it, and that'll lead into the summer update

Which will revolve around the Abyss/ void and stuff

[solar cairn]

Hope so. But Expeditions typically don't drop large chunks of lore. And more like side stories with something in the lore

Would definitely give more clues

[wet copper]

Did you know the name of the abyss in NMS lore is "Atlantid"? Incidentally, the name of the resource you gather off corrupt worlds is Atlantideum...As if it is (if we're using latin suffix properly) coming directly from the abyss. This would indicate Atlantideum is the product of a place and that this place is everywhere...but the lore also suggests that Atlantid is the name of the AI that the Korvax worshipped which was based off of Atlas itself.

[uncut harness]

Do you have the extract for that?

Also yes, abyss, atlantid, void mother, all the same

[gloomy isle]

It's so cool

It's feeling like the first lore that's actually building to something we've had in a while

The Abyss is what used to be Korvax Prime, right?

[uncut harness]

Yep

The echoes left behind by the first convergence

Which is why the sentinels had such a connection to it

[gloomy isle]

Its influence is definitely growing too

[wet copper]

I'm still eager to learn the origin of the Anomaly. A part of me thinks the Anomaly is this void mother.

[gloomy isle]

I do wonder where that came from

[uncut harness]

The space anomaly you mean?

[wet copper]

yes

[gloomy isle]

I suspect it might not even have an origin

Like a paradox type thing

[uncut harness]

It was constructed by polo as a refuge for travellers

[wet copper]

Constructed? If you scan it, it does not say it was constructed by Polo. It says it was discovered by Polo.

[uncut harness]

That's how the visor works, it tells you who discovered something

The game tells us that it is polo's creation

[wet copper]

That's the thing. You only detect things as discovered if they were here prior.

[gloomy isle]

Maybe it's some sort of backdoor into part of the Atlas? It's essentially a place where all timelines in the simulation converge right?

[wet copper]

I wouldn't even say they converge.

[gloomy isle]

Which means it would exist outside of the main simulation

[uncut harness]

The anomaly is free to travel between the simulations

[wet copper]

You can jump from one galaxy to another and while there is an Anomaly in both - The characters in them only tangentially acknowledge their counterparts.

[gloomy isle]

Can it canonically exist in more than one at once? Since you can see so many people coming and going

[wet copper]

In the atlas path, once you jump out of Euclid the new Polo and Nada both acknowledge the reality of infinite counterparts and exclaim that they don't want to talk about it...that it hurts.

[gloomy isle]

My feeling is that the nexus exists outside of it all, but the anomaly is just a gate

[uncut harness]

The polo on the space anomaly is not the original polo, which is why they don't want to talk about it

[wet copper]

Oh because he knows about the anomaly from the wreck of the original polo?

I wonder which universe it was that the sentinels had succeeded in destroying all life

Is it the one where the abyss comes from?

[uncut harness]

The abyss exists in all universes

Every simulation ends up following the same history

Therefore every universe has the destruction of Korvax prime

We assume the galaxy that Nada came from was the one that the sentinels successfully destroyed in 54 minutes

[wet copper]

Wondering if Atlantid considers the player to be an Observer...and will eventually become the new antagonist in NMS lore

[uncut harness]

The void mother sides with the sentinels, that is all we really know about their stance

[wet copper]

Sides with Aerons or Aerons side with it?

[uncut harness]

It sides with the family of glass

[wet copper]

family of glass?

Is that because the glass subroutine is eternal?

[uncut harness]

There is a place for you, Telamon. The travellers you wear, the progenitor who birthed them, they who made the Atlas itself.

It is their fault. It is all their fault.

The Abyss, the Families of Glass, we are in agreement. We will not die a second time.

[gloomy isle]

I don't think it sides with the sentinels, it's more that some sentinels side with it

It sees them as family and is trying to turn them

Which is why we get corrupted sentinels. You can even see it in the planet description when you land

It says that they're defected from the Atlas or something like that

So I think it's more like the Abyss is trying to get sentinels to join its family of glass

[uncut harness]

The sentinels were always very linked to the abyss

Korvax prime, the sentinels and the Korvax

[gloomy isle]

True

But I don't think they've become aligned with the Abyss unless they're corrupted

Since the corruption symbolises its influence

[wet copper]

I wonder why the game called it corruption. It has a stigma to it.

[gloomy isle]

Maybe it's that they don't truly know that anything survived of Korvax Prime until the Abyss reaches out to them

[uncut harness]

the living vessels survived

[gloomy isle]

Sorry I meant the actual intelligence of the AI

Because it's pretty certain that the uncorrupted sentinels aren't fully aligned with the Abyss, even if they're closely related to it

At least from my perspective

[uncut harness]

The abyss agrees with the families of glass and the aerons that they will not die again

they are all against the Atlas

[gloomy isle]

Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing with that

I'm just wondering what separates the normal sentinels from the corrupted ones

[solar cairn]

Y'all don't get cult like vibes from it?

[uncut harness]

From the Korvax?

for sure

bunch of cultists

[gloomy isle]

Maybe the corrupted sentinels are being 100% controlled by the Abyss

And the other sentinels just agree with it

[uncut harness]

@solar cairn do you have a lucid spark project for nms lore?