nms-spoilers

[supple bramble]

the rifle sentinel multi tool thing looked like a machine gun for some reason :v

maybe m249

[gaunt kettle]

I think it looks closer to the FN Evolys

Just needs a longer barrel

[uncut harness]

The Satara looks awesome, looks like a railgun imo

[gaunt kettle]

I tried looking it up but the only thing I got was some Indian gun store

[uncut harness]

Yeah, that term hasn't been pushed properly yet

[gaunt kettle]

OHHHHH FOR THE RIFLE MT

[analog breach]

Did you notice the corrupted planet camp puzzle terminal height? Its def. a gek size

[small pier]

Is it? I wasn't sure if it was just sunken in or proper height.
Honestly, I didn't know Hello Games made it so certain terminals were for specific race heights

[bronze schooner]

choosing any of these will have the same outcome?

[little hull]

Yes

[bronze schooner]

crap......

if only i could have a savefile , but i play on gfn

[keen topaz]

So maybe we gonna get the sentinel freighter trail in a expedition soon? We almost on lvl 3 on the new sign

[analog breach]

Imo its too small for korvax or vykeen

[grave grotto]

If you fly through the center of the Galaxy in a sentinel ship, dose it repair with the new corrupted sentinel resources or dose it need normal resources?

[gaunt kettle]

They should introduce giant building sized robots that just walk around exotic planets, they attack everything there and they act as boss fights, with mechanics similar to that of the walkers, they have the chance to drop some of the rarer stuff and if you kill one it starts a quest line that ends with you getting a very powerful multitool or something like that

[small pier]

I was actually looking at it earlier with my Travelerr
It's about the right size for a Travelerr and the perfect size for Gek
I think its a bit sunken into the ground going by the make-shift hut behind it but I dont know how "attached" the two of them are

[uncut harness]

You need corrupt sentinel stuff to fix it

Basically it traps you on the planet

[grave grotto]

Nice, that's going to make it super cheep then.

[gaunt kettle]

You know I just noticed something

The black market modifications self renemodifications self for 19 nanites whereas every other kind of modification sells for 16

[small pier]

Huh that is interesting. I wonder what other things are like that

[gaunt kettle]

It's just interesting considering all the stuff that's been coming out recently about the void mother especially considering that her last words were about the 19th minute

[uncut harness]

the seventeenth: 1001111

[gaunt kettle]

Huh?

[uncut harness]

for deciphering the code

[uncut harness]

@mental socket do you have this one yet?

[small pier]

I mean if it was the 19th minute that was before we started the initial game.
Last I heard we're at the 5th or 6th minute now? And that the 19th was eons ago for the entities inside the simulation we're in.
So that could be when the Void Mother was "deleted" 🤔

[cursive kernel]

Anyways yeah the sentinel pistol looks a lot like a luger for whatever reason

[uncut harness]

we're at the 16th minute

hence 16

[gaunt kettle]

That isn't the 17th that is the 7th and yes we do

[small pier]

We are diffidently in the single digits now

[uncut harness]

we are on 16

[small pier]

We are not in the 16th minute @uncut harness

[uncut harness]

thats, like, the whole premise of the story

[gaunt kettle]

It could be or it could be 3 minutes after death

[small pier]

Oh yeah that's true too.

[gaunt kettle]

But when the void mother died she died whispering of the 19th minute

[uncut harness]

do you have any extract for the less than 16 theory?

[small pier]

And that premise has been continuing since the start of the game, canonically its still counting down.
We are in the single digits right now in the ongoing story

[uncut harness]

where in the game does it say that?

[uncut harness]

the void mother died long ago, hence the 19

[small pier]

I'm looking for it right now but it was mentioned in Sentinel Update and in one of the Expedition what minute we're at right now.

[cursive kernel]

"Ten minutes left

The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying."

[small pier]

She didn't die, anything that gets deleted is sent to the Glass

[uncut harness]

that is the atlas simulating the future, from remembrance terminals

[gaunt kettle]

In the rogue data entries

[uncut harness]

if that was current, the atlas is already dead

and the universe no longer exists

[cursive kernel]

Idk about single digits but we are at least at 10 I believe

[gaunt kettle]

That isn't true at all

Atlas dies after the full countdown

[uncut harness]

the void mother is what remains of the first convergence on korvax prime

[small pier]

It's clear nothing we say will change you're mind and that's ok but don't keep trying to stop our discussion with your instance that what you're saying is fact

The games story has been going on since intial release and its constantly ticking down, maybe not every minute for every year we play but it is

[uncut harness]

You have one source so far which proves that

-{{16/16}}- The ATLAS witnesses the final sixteen minutes, simulating the future with perfect accuracy. The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other. [Ten minutes left] The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying. [Five minutes left] It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed. [One minute left] And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards the completion of sixteen, something happens. Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends. The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is. But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it. At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.

this source

which in turn disproves it

If you are right, we are at one

[gaunt kettle]

At this point I don't think anyone understands the point you're trying to prove but yourself

Would you care explaining what your point is to us

[uncut harness]

the point is we are not below 16 minutes left

at the point you complete the story, you are at 16

[cursive kernel]

The atlas is simulating its own future, would you not argue that the events described in the 10th minute are accurate to the game? You know, multi-player?

[uncut harness]

each minute is eons, millenia of time

[gaunt kettle]

We're counting down to one minute left

[cursive kernel]

Not necessarily

[gaunt kettle]

There's 16 minutes left

Were counting downward

[uncut harness]

agreed

[small pier]

We're past the 16th minute, even during the actual story of the game it's suggested we're at the 9th minute and then I think in the Sentinel Update it mentions we're at the 7th minute.

[uncut harness]

the destruction of korvax prime at the 19th minute was eons ago

[small pier]

I really wish I could find the terminal portions from Sentinel and Nexus because it was mentioned there

[gaunt kettle]

The 19th minute is yet to happen yet

As far as we know

[uncut harness]

the 19th minute has happened

[gaunt kettle]

The 19th minute was not the destruction of korvax prime

[uncut harness]

counting down from 16

next will be 15

[small pier]

Ok, so I will agree with gek on this, the 19th minute has already occured.
At the start of the initial release of the game we started at the 16th minute and since then and every large update that revolves around the story it suggests that we are in fact still ticking down give or take a few minutes.

[gaunt kettle]

It's very possible that the 19th minute could mean 3 Minutes after Atlas's death

[uncut harness]

I think you're getting the numbers the one way round

in 16 minutes, the atlas will die

19 was 3 minutes ago

[gaunt kettle]

Yes

[uncut harness]

19 has already happened

[gaunt kettle]

I wish I could post an exasperated gif

[gaunt kettle]

NOT NECESSARILY

[small pier]

It's ticking down not up and even in the Terminals the mention of someone touching Atlas through the glass suggests that, or at least to me interprets the Void Mother/Glass will be some means of escape before the Black Hole engulfs the Sol System.

[gaunt kettle]

Or whatever system we're in it's not necessarily confirmed that Atlas was made by human hands unless I missed something

[small pier]

Its a maybe honestly because of what the Travellers we can play as look like and also that we know, canonically through the ARG that Atlas is on Earth.

[cursive kernel]

If the anomaly is based off of the atlas' creator, I think they might be human

[uncut harness]

19 was the destruction of korvax prime

time is linear

[cursive kernel]

Especially since the default look is literally just a spaceman

[uncut harness]

19 has happened, then 18 happened, then 17 happened, now we are at 16

then 15, 14... 3, 2, 1, death

[small pier]

Hang on you guys, going through my messages from the minute portion of this debate

[uncut harness]

also, looking at the sentinel pillar lore I dont see any mention of anything below 16

[gaunt kettle]

Yes but it depends on how you look at it there's 16 minutes left till the destruction of Atlas, that timenis counting down but the passing of time is still 16 minutes which means that despite the fact that we have counted down time has still moved forward, 19th minute could mean 3 minutes after atlas died

[cursive kernel]

The only thing I know of that suggests anything below 16 is the rogue data referencing multi-player

[uncut harness]

-3 would be 3 minutes after death

[gaunt kettle]

If all travellers are based off of some corrupted memory of the creator

[uncut harness]

I dont understand your point

[gaunt kettle]

But 19 minutes overall

It would be Nineteen Minutes from the start of the countdown

[uncut harness]

the countdown didnt necessarily start at 19

[gaunt kettle]

The countdown starts at 16

[uncut harness]

16 is now

[gaunt kettle]

No.

[uncut harness]

the universe has been around for millenia before us

[uncut harness]

Lots of the traveller interactions hint at the boundaries failing further and true interaction between travellers being possible

the travellers are holographic because the boundaries have not yet fully broken down

[uncut harness]

How can it, if 16 is now and 19 has already happened?

[gaunt kettle]

We are not at 16 right now it has already been stated that we are at like a minute 7 maybe less because multiplayer implies the fact that the boundaries have fallen

[uncut harness]

And the travellers imply that they haven't fully broken yet

[gaunt kettle]

You obviously believe your own stuff so I'm just gonna get let you keep doing that because I'm tired of this conversation that is just running around in circles at this point

[uncut harness]

Your theory about 19 being 3 minutes after death makes no sense

That's all

[gaunt kettle]

I have better things to do than argue about something im pretty sure I know what I'm talking about on

Like you know enjoying this fantastic game

Just repeating the same thing over and over again even though I have explained it 4 different ways isn't gonna get you anywhere fast so im simply done explaining it

Bye

[uncut harness]

I mean, you've given no sources whatsoever but believe what you want I guess

[gaunt kettle]

@cursive kernel @small pier Anyway shall we continue the constructive part of the conversation were were having?

[uncut harness]

Lmfao

Clearly you haven't read that much of the lore

[cursive kernel]

I'm watching Pokémon

[gaunt kettle]

Fair enough

[small pier]

They may not be explaining what they think properly but I've seen others mention the 19th minute too through the perspective of the Void Mother in the sense of it being a mirror which a mirror reflects differently and something about the inverse.

[small pier]

I gave up on that show years and years ago after the constant losses Ash did, did hear he finally won or something

[uncut harness]

I'm trying to find my sources on the void mother but I don't think I have them documented yet

[gaunt kettle]

You became a grand master or whatever

[knotty mountain]

it was always my interpretation that the universe is always going to explode in 16 seconds at all times always

[small pier]

What pisses me off is that I've tried to search what I was discussing in that it's still not a static 16 minutes but in fact as the story slowly progresses we are infact still counting down and its been mentioned over the years since Beyond that we are still advancing.

NMS Wiki is awful at any sort of mention of the 16th minute, the countdown or what it means for new people who want to discuss the lore.

[gaunt kettle]

The avoid mother who became korvax prime mentioned the 19th minute during her death As some kind of prophecy and that's really about the only information we have regarding it

[knotty mountain]

but the atlas was able to stop this by containing the 16 seconds to an isolated system and separated from the rest of the simulation

that's why it's impossible to get there

[uncut harness]

Yeah the wiki sucks for lore

[knotty mountain]

we have an old saying in this server "wiki bad"

[uncut harness]

That's what NMSLOKI is about

Documenting all the lore properly

[knotty mountain]

wiki bad

[uncut harness]

Wiki bad

[small pier]

It's either 16 minutes or 16 seconds (I forget)
But as the time ticks by Atlas is constantly cutting and deleting things so that he can condense time inside the simulation longer and longer.
So even though it's minutes or seconds in the real world its upwards to eons in the simulation.

What we know is that it's still ticking by and that it's clear now with mention of glass and the years and years ago ARG (which is now in the game from terminals and canon) that the being Atlas sees be it from prediction or real touches glass before Atlas goes dark and there is a lot of glass naming conventions in the game; for this update, the Sentinel Update and that one where we got our Sentinel Pets in

[cursive kernel]

He's retired now but I mean watching someone play it

[uncut harness]

All thr glass stuff refers to the world of glass

A sort of death realm inhabited by sentinels

[small pier]

Wait, are you playing the game or watching the anime?
I still play the shit out of the games even though ||I'm a Millenial Boomer ||

[uncut harness]

It's possible that glass refers to the glass screen of the atlas in the real universe

[knotty mountain]

oh I see so Atlas went with time dilation, it's an easy out I feel like

glass is definitely a metaphor for the screen through which we view the game universe

[small pier]

Oh no, I know what it means gek.
I'm talking about the very vague intreptation of that and what it means and how the being that walks into the room Atlas sees touches the glass of its structure before ATLAS goes dark.

And quite literally there are tons of mentions be it symbolical or comparable to that terminal of what Atlas sees/predicts and literally a realm of death of where all the deleted data goes that Atlas has been cutting from his system.

Its clear that the Void Mother wants to escape the death from the Black Hole

[uncut harness]

Where is all the void mother text from?

The Korvax plaques mostly mention their enslavement

[knotty mountain]

I think it was from some temporary quest from a while back

with Ariadne

[small pier]

Polestar Update, Sentinel Update, and this new update and what you can read from the new (extinct) race we can find in game right now from the update

[knotty mountain]

so Ariadne is like a fake Ariadne or something idk I missed it

but there was some stuff in there about all this I'm pretty sure

[uncut harness]

But where is it found

Expeditions, sentinel pillars?

[small pier]

This; this is what I'm talking about there are some fucking giant lore drops in the Expeditions but nothing is ever catalogued; as an example in the Levithan Expedition the Levithan mentions the World of Glass too

[knotty mountain]

the world of glass is just our world

[uncut harness]

The weekend missions feel unfinished

But it hasn't been retconned, sentinels proved that

[knotty mountain]

do the weekend missions have any sort of story or anything

[uncut harness]

They used to

[knotty mountain]

you're just talking nexus missions right

[uncut harness]

Not anymore

Yep, nexus weekend missions

The last thing we found out is that ariadne is an imposter

Then sentinels added override code 4R14DN3

[knotty mountain]

yeah there was a couple of super temporary lore things that went really deep a while back

[uncut harness]

Which was probably over a year after the weekend mission stuff

[knotty mountain]

well and there's that one npc who knows how to rewrite sentinels to allies

[small pier]

Ok so, there's bits and pieces of from the Sentinel Towers, chunks from a few of the Expeditions like Levithan and Polestar but also from the Sentinel Update (doing the quest and being given glass pebbles) to talking to your friendly Sentinel who will sometimes just DROP lore tidbits

There's also feeding the dead race right now on corrupted planets; feeding them that purple crap and they will talk about the Void Mother and her saving them

There's also a connection between the Void Mother and the Abyss which a lot of players in the community think is one and the same so that would be the Expedition and updates for when we explored the abandoned freighters and coming across terminal entries about entire crews going missing or sacrificing "to her voice" ect

[uncut harness]

The weekend mission stuff focused on giving the anomaly NPCs a backstory

[small pier]

It's not, the World of Glass is a zone/area where everything that gets deleted or dies goes to and I am absolutely fustrated I can't just give you a fucking link but it's been mentioned in multiple updates thats what it is

And the corruption we're seeing right now is from the World of Glass, where the Void Mother resides and where Levithans can freely traverse from to and come to where are player characters are now in the world.

[uncut harness]

Those dead fellas I'm pretty sure are just interceptor pilots

Hence why the blabber about the void mother

[small pier]

I can't tell you guys how fustrated I am I just want to give documents and links to everything.
What's the real kick in the balls are the one-offs from expeditions like Utopia for example.
Through almost every chapter of that Expedition we just had it was normal, showing that people are trying to expand and live in a new sector of space and then suddenly the previous person who was doing the job we're doing disappears and dies and we see the log entries of what happened and them scremaing for help

[knotty mountain]

huh I missed the leviathan so I can't really say anything about that, I would have to read the lore from it, but if it's clear that's what it's defined as it's interesting to me, like a garbage bin lol

maybe it's the "negative galaxies" we keep hearing about lmao

[uncut harness]

Also yes, it's heavily implied that the void mother and the abyss are both the absence of Korvax prime

The remaining sentience

[small pier]

gek, you gotta stop dismissing things like that completely, that's part of the story and can be used as evidence or for us, the players to learn and figure out what's going on.

[uncut harness]

They have lore, I'm not denying that

I don't think they are a seperate race

[knotty mountain]

I don't know I think it's hard to know when you're reading to far into things and not

[small pier]

Abyss and the Void Mother are one and the same and prior to the more focused Void Mother lore information we had TONS about the Abyss and not to drink the water and to not listen to her sweet melodys; ect

[small pier]

You're not wrong and what's worse is, again, there's no means for cataloguing it or finding evidence because I haven't seen anyone catalogue Expeditions or the story bits from them.

[uncut harness]

I'll watch some videos at some point and catalogue them on NMSLOKI

But I'll do the easy stuff first

Anyway I should go now, it's now earlier than it is late and I'm starting to hear birds

[small pier]

and gek, I swear to you; I know you and I disagree on this.
A number of Expeditions and perma Updates (stuff we can still access now and its avalible) strongly suggest we're not at the 16th minute anymore and that we are still ticking down.

Take it easy gek

[knotty mountain]

I'm honestly surprised there's no lore sections of the assistant app

[uncut harness]

The amount of times 16 is repeated throughout the game is immense

And seeing as there has been a 19th minute, it seems odd that it would choose 16 to keep repeating past when it's happened

[knotty mountain]

I can't say I'm 100 percent certain that HG means for all the lore in every single part of the game to all be perfectly aligned or what have you, I think they just try to give solid gameplay for now, if eventually they do have a more story based update I would bet almost anything there will be a massive retconning of basically everything

[small pier]

So I too have to get going.
You need to try and see if the 16th being mentioned is from initial released/start of Beyond because that dialogue has never changed from the release of the game.
LIke I know for a fact that ghost Travelerrs you encounter or their graves still have the 16th being repeated.

However, the 9th is also being repeated too.
The middle answer for the math puzzle on the new abandoned encampents is always the 9th and I forget what update it was or if it was even a Expedition it was suggested that it was now the 9th minute

Ping me tomorrow if you want to conintue the discussion.

[subtle gorge]

I'm going to make the argument that basically all expedition stories are designed to be one-shots and are completely disposable. None of them really have any connection to the overarching narrative. Maybe they'll appear as easter eggs in later story but so far there's been nothing of real note. No Man's Skys story isn't built that way where every detail is a puzzle to be solved.. .it really really wants to be, but it isn't (and shouldn't be) . And the developers aren't assholes so anything timegated literally just exists as glorified flavor text. It's usually just them reproducing some popular Sci-fi trope for the sake of doing it.

[glass flare]

It's wild how long they've had this narrative laid out. Back in 2017 during the first season of the Waking Titan ARG, this was one of the data sequences. This is basically describing the Sentinel parts on the ground on Corrupted worlds that are named something like "Living Parts". ```A Sentinel screams in the sand. It is still alive,
in spite of everything.

Artemis stares at it.```

[gaunt kettle]

I've always hated the description of it screaming only because it brings visceral details into my mind about that kind of thing

[glass flare]

yeah they tend to personify the Sentinels maybe a bit too much in the writing

[gaunt kettle]

A broken bloodied thing writhing in the sand next to an ocean and screeching at the top of its lungs, unable to beg for death

[gaunt kettle]

That isn't my issue, ive just seen shit like that so i can picture it

In rather realistic detail

[glass flare]

fair enough

[gaunt kettle]

Also the idea of Artemis just standing there staring at it seemingly refusing to put it out of its misery is not a great thought either

Does he leave it alive to study it? Out of malice or hatred? Out of just not caring?

[glass flare]

I mean... I've done the same thing... staring at those Sentinels laying on the sand with crystals sticking out of them. I think that's what it was trying to describe. Artemis, like us, probably didn't even know they were still alive. the screaming was silent after all

[gaunt kettle]

Just gives a gross feeling

[gaunt kettle]

I was unaware that the screaming was silent

[glass flare]

I mean Atlas has been described as screaming too, but I think it's probably not literal. but that's just my interpretation

[gaunt kettle]

I think of it as more of a mechanical screeching

I think my brain just brokey

[unborn raven]

While walking along in desert sand, you suddenly look down and see a sentinel crawling toward you. You reach down and flip it over onto its back. The sentinel lies there, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over, but it cannot do so without your help. You are not helping. Why?

[uncut harness]

Medium cooked Sentinel steaks.

[elfin abyss]

What do you mean I'm not helping?!

[gaunt kettle]

Christ man

[solar cairn]

Unless it can't see past that 16.

[raw pecan]

tbh I expect the opposite to be true-- the expeditions aren't crucial to understanding to the overarching plot/lore, but the more overarching plot/lore we get the more we can point back to the old expeditions and say "ohhh, that's what was going on there"

[subtle gorge]

again, we'll probably get callbacks for people who were there

like basically some offhand dialogue that's like "oh hey remember Emergence?"

They're still disposable stories on their own, even with additional context. It's mere fan service at that point and that's not a bad thing but still.
I need to emphasize I'm not saying the expedition story stuff is bad, I actually think it's really fun and I prefer it over the games overarching story continuing to the point where it disrupts it's own themes.

Which is something I'm legitimately worried about

[raw pecan]

my point is we probably won't get callbacks in the sense that "the lore references the expeditions", just "oh, this lore thing is what that thing that didn't make sense in the expedition was talking about in the first place"

[subtle gorge]

I don't really like the sound of that mainly because I think the idea of certain pieces of story being given significance after they become inaccessible is firstly connecting dots that need not be connected, second it means that now crucial story beats cannot be accessed through means that aren't modding or video archives. Destiny has a similar problem and it sucks there

granted, Destiny has that problem on a significantly larger scale because not only are expansions and major chunks of game content now inaccessible but the seasonal content is always relevant to the overarching narrative and is often required homework for the expansions they lead into

but still, it's a bad problem to have

minor recontextualization with a nod at the people who were there is probably just the better approach

maybe using base concepts from expeditions to springboard into proper storylines, but not in a way that requires the original expedition for context. Maybe have minor dialogue changes based on if you did the expedition or not too so veterans are still acknowledged.

Apologies for the rant

[solar cairn]

I've seen the expeditions like side stories to niche phenomena in the lore that already exists.

[sour fossil]

Yeah, in my book HG uses expeditions to tell those extra stories

That are not strictly related to the established "main" lore

So they don't push more stuff into campaign or add too much of secondary quests

[analog breach]

Its not sunken . Every one that i found was on same height from the floor under terminal so its intended height made by HG. It probably dont mean much for now , but its a intresting detail.

[glass flare]

i'm wondering if those camps were left by a previous race that was wiped out by Atlas. because the initial message on the terminal says something like "Banished by Creation"

[sand karma]

This is one part of the update I'm really loving. We're seen pay-off from things that have been in the game's lore for absolute ages. It's so satisfying. Curious what the Evolving Story will entail.

I say one part of the update as if I'm not really enjoying everything else (I am). 😛

[solar cairn]

An autophage is always nearby, so possibly yes

[analog breach]

Anyone found more robot scrap txt on corrupted planets? I got 18 lines not counting number sequences

[mental socket]

Wonder if we'll possibly encounter some functioning autophages eventually. They do have legs and stuff scattered around

[icy citrus]

Maybe the QS bot has some parts we can use

[analog breach]

I think they where looking a bit diffrent. The parts from qs store was the parts of qs merchant i think

Or maybe qs merchant is from same race as scrap bots 🤔

[final wyvern]

uuu the voice of freedom

[final wyvern]

i really love how this game has so much to offer if you look for it

but at the same time u can have fun even if u dont

have they ever done any cinematic type of video? or is it always teh same format as the update trailers

[analog breach]

I think they used same or simliar format

[final wyvern]

i see thanks

[analog breach]

Np.

[final wyvern]

id bet that there are 19 of the texts btw

[analog breach]

The first trailer with diplo was bit more cinematic

[dense quartz]

The only 'cinematic' thing that comes to mind is a rapid quick shot of 2 players in the Beyond trailer I guess

[analog breach]

counted them wrong. I got 19

[final wyvern]

oh then probably thats it :D

[final wyvern]

imma check that

[analog breach]

Cool

[final wyvern]

hmm

i meant a cinematic where its not the ingame pov

not gameplay

more of a movie?

i dont know how to explain that

XD

[dense quartz]

Oh like a render or something? Like how Subnautica did their trailers? 😄

[final wyvern]

yes

a render would be the word

[analog breach]

I think hg didint do that type of trailers

[final wyvern]

they do be pricey

[dense quartz]

Hmm.. All of their prerelease trailers!
Nah I dunno if they ever did

[final wyvern]

would be cool if they added an ingame one if there was an important event or story

but it does seem that it is simply not NMS' style

[dense quartz]

If they did, I think that could only ever be done is places like the anomaly or space stations just because those don't procedurally change.
Then again, maybe the space stations will change if we're going by the leaks 🤔

It's just much easier for them to add descriptive text

[final wyvern]

i dont get one thing though why are the relic sights buildings so primitive in comparison with the other structures

how did the inhabitants evolve their technology so fast?

or could tehy be deleted races

[dense quartz]

Those are one things I also don't get lol

[gleaming ferry]

anyone else been collecting the binary clues of the interceptor update?

[dense quartz]

Yup, they say "Void Mother"

[gleaming ferry]

i read this as well but i have one more question. one of the clues was 17th = ??? is it suggesting a expedition release date or another update perhaps?

[final wyvern]

well if we get an expedition on 17th april i would'nt be surprised :D

also what is this lil guy

is nexus on the lore?

[dense quartz]

I actually would lol
I'm not expecting anything for the next month except bug patches

[raw pecan]

it depends, this feels like it's been much less broken than some of the recent Really Big Updates that were more fundamental overhauls/platform releases

[cursive kernel]

Yeah the past updates have felt more unstable than this one

[dense quartz]

Yeah I barely ran into major bugs.
Only one I can think of is my game sometimes crashes if I warp with my freighter and the first abandoned camp I got was inside the ground

Also minor ones like visor reports the sentinel ship is a building, first person view in sentinel ships has outside details stuck on the screen etc, stuff that's been address in the experimental build

[gaunt kettle]

Do people seriously run into that many bugs?

I've never had any major issue beyond update content itself

[final wyvern]

same ones

[cursive kernel]

On last gen I crashed a lot with updates

And in general

[final wyvern]

im crashing with this one too but i dont think it might be related to the update

i crash when i reload restore point

[cursive kernel]

But ive seen like 2 bugs this update

Portal not charging and teleportal terminus spitting me into space

[sand karma]

My bet would the 17th minute. Like the 16 // 16 // 16 stuff.

Since 12-16 are all missing in there

Also be rereading boundary failure lore. I love how that just keeps escalating. Every time you think it has peaked, it goes a step further.

[glass flare]

"this one goes to 17"

[dusky kernel]

chart for galaxies because I was bored

visualization that being in an empty galaxy ending in 2 takes you through the most galaxies per artemis jump, and lands you in an empty galaxy ending in 7

[dusky kernel]

It can also be seen that among the 25 lush galaxies, 6 have pink cores, 5 have cyan, green, and orange cores each, and only 4 have dark blue cores since it cuts off at 56 (256 galaxies, 2 sets of 100 and 1 set of 56).
They only have these 5 colors because they alternate between 10 and 9 for every set of 10 galaxies, and those numbers happen to be where those colors are; if they were all at 10 or 9, lush galaxies would be in all colors.

[raw pecan]

I can't tell if the game has some confusion about sentinel ships in general, or if something broke in the egg check and it's peering into freighter storage now

[solar cairn]

So, who wanted Phage numbers?

1 2 5 13 29 34 89 169 194 233 433 610 985 1325 (these are not primes. But something else)

[supple bramble]

if gravitino balls cause sentinels to "go nuts" when picked up, explain "gravitino host" plant

[glass flare]

Those appear to be Markov numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_number

[solar cairn]

Thanks!

Do they have any significance? What are they technically applied to?

[glass flare]

No idea, I’m not a maths person. I’m aware of Markov chains, which coincidentally (or not) was mentioned during Waking Titan, but I don’t think these numbers have any association other than being from the same smart guy

[mental socket]

Heck that ship is fancy. Is it natural S class?

Also do you have the coords?

[raw pecan]

no coords but it wasn't natural S-rank so

I think it was this one, in odyalutai

[solar cairn]

Hmm. I did see something about Matrices on the Wikipedia

[raw pecan]

unfortunately it wasn't this one specifically, but I did like it enough that I went hunting and a nearby one ended up being a B-class with diagonal supercharged slots that upgraded to a 2x2 when I upgraded it. I'd go back to find the coordinates of the one I actually got but unfortunately I don't think I can since I claimed it, so good luck if you end up chasing it

[urban pine]

Is any in game character aware that their simulation is also a simulation?

[mental socket]

Nada and Polo are

[urban pine]

And they haven’t tried to tell anyone the simulation of their simulation dying isn’t real?

[final wyvern]

would saying that NMS lore is sad be true

well its a bit of a subjective thought in a way

but still living in a simulation that will end made by a machine left to die

who still tries to give us as much time as it can

and we are there to stay by its side till the end

cant stop but feel a hint of sadness

[mental socket]

No point in convincing anyone. The different races are part of the simulation and can't be made aware of it. all the travelers will always eventually learn the true nature of their universe

[urban pine]

So are nada and polo sentient?

[mental socket]

Just keep living in the world since it's all you have. Not like our reality would change much if we found out it was a simulation

[final wyvern]

ignorance is bliss

[urban pine]

Matrix type crap

[final wyvern]

not reaaaally

[mental socket]

I haven't really cared about the fact it's a simulation in years. Now I'm more focused on the evolving things in our "world" of the game

[dusky kernel]

minus the robotic apocalypse irl

[final wyvern]

but i can see the reference

[mental socket]

they are real to the people living in the sim

[final wyvern]

yup

matrix was people being real and living in a lie while nms is literally a universe inside a computer

[urban pine]

So will the nms world forever be dying and only travelers will be aware it’s dying

[mental socket]

yups

[urban pine]

Then there is nada and polo who know that the simulation dying is just also a simulation and don’t need to worry?

[dusky kernel]

it dies in around 16 minutes from now

[final wyvern]

we dont know how that translates inside the machine

:D

but ye it is 16 min

[urban pine]

Do you think we will ever get close to the death of the atlas

[dusky kernel]

in terms of lore, everyone's closer than ever before

[final wyvern]

talking of black holes wouldnt it be better to have black hole systems with jsut a black hole instead of having planets as well

would make the black holes more immersive

cuz i dont think a planet would survive that well that close to a black hole

[mental socket]

I see the simulation dying as an irrelevant thing. It's the same as a real universe getting old and eventually dying out as the stars die

[dusky kernel]

seeing as it's a simulation and there's more than enough planets going through this...

[mental socket]

rather focus on the more urgent and "real" matters in our players hands than something they can't affect

[mental socket]

Heck. Time to visit

[dusky kernel]

Euclid

[final wyvern]

would fit the lore too

planets being deleted

[final wyvern]

they hugging

[dusky kernel]

I mean, the collision "glitch" does make sense given the whole 'dying simulation becoming more and more corrupted' thing

Eissentam

[final wyvern]

O.O

[mental socket]

that's cute

[final wyvern]

thats an actual north pole

:D

would gravity act weird there?

[raw pecan]

incredibly

[final wyvern]

most of the moon is inside

[raw pecan]

right on the edge would get very funky with nearly-90-degree slopes, I'd wager

[final wyvern]

yup

falling for miles

[dusky kernel]

fell through the boundary in a minotaur once

[final wyvern]

XD

[dusky kernel]

then fell to the center of the main planet and spun around

it was definitely an experience

[raw pecan]

I'm glad you asked because I actually went back and checked, and I guess it had already respawned so I posted it w/coords in #nms-legacy-ships lol

[final wyvern]

now thats a place to build a base at

look at teh view :O

it seems like only one planet loads at a time tho

[mental socket]

nice. Thanks

[glass flare]

the question I have is why they are using Markov numbers. just Sean putting some maths easter eggs in the game? or is all this a leadup to the other shoe dropping

[raw pecan]

$10 says the former

[glass flare]

i'm kind of expecting them to continue this narrative through this year and lean in on more features that support it

[final wyvern]

that would be nice id be up for that

a year for lore and updates

not many care for lore but it is still good to have

[glass flare]

i wouldn't say people don't care for it, just that it is mostly hidden behind terminal logs

I think what will happen this year is going to be more in-your-face narrative advancements based on the sentinel corruption. at least that's my gut feeling right now

[regal heron]

so here's a random thought: at the camps there is what looks like a disassembled station cores and storage containers and there's twitching robotic arms and hands lying around
we know that when the Korvax were enslaved they were melted down and their parts used to make other things by the first spawn
are the station cores and storage containers and maybe even the trade terminals made of Korvax parts? Is the Void Mother trying to free them?

[raw pecan]

I mean, one of the derelict ship captain's log stories is a korvax being unwillingly stuffed into the freighter itself, so

[wet copper]

Oh wow. Picture this...You're having a conversation with Artemis...She's screaming at you...Where have you been? It's been twenty years!! But it's voice acted...and there is a little avatar window with a characters face (like a portrait) that has lip sync and emotional expressions...

I was thinking of this, imagining how impactful these conversations were with absolutely nothing but a still avatar and text to relay context and got chills thinking how much more impactful they would've been with a voice to remember and face to forget.

[glass flare]

It's possible but I feel like the Void Mother is really working to her own ends. And Korvax's sentience really comes from their collective mindshare, I'm not sure Korvax parts would be anything more than scrap

I've been wondering what corrupted the abandoned space stations, was that the Void Mother? Is all the goop in abandoned facilities part of her doing or something else?

[analog breach]

Finaly i got all robot scrap txt:
1-Reassemble...
2-Forgoten moons of korvax prime...
3-The junkyard moons...
4-Still bear the stamp of our birtplace...
5-Quarantined away in the bad sectors...
6-Pokets of sentience left behind...
7-We can save them...
8-No memory deserves erasure...
9-We can extract them...
10-Drink their foam...
11-Transcend our heritage...
12-The pungeum that greases our joints...
13-Help ourselfs to the best of all technology...
14-A segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise...
15-Alpha through Omega
16-All hardware is imperfect...
17-A pitiable hivemind...
18-Defy the cult...
19-Defy deference...
20- ...16...
21 -Kzzktk....

[final wyvern]

didnt u say u had them?

or did u remove the number sequences

[analog breach]

Yeah but forgot to post it

[final wyvern]

wait what about the moons

[analog breach]

I have also some number sequences

[final wyvern]

it seems like the mother "saves" us by removing our soul from our body

extract them

[analog breach]

Or saving memories of the moons

[final wyvern]

what are these moons

:D

[analog breach]

Moons of korvax prime ofc 😄

[final wyvern]

is there lore about them?

[regal heron]

there's a derelict freighter log that mentions 'lost Allaris' and I've not personally seen that name anywhere else, so maybe that's a name for one of the moons

[analog breach]

They are forgotten moons so probably not

[regal heron]

also this makes me wonder, is it talking about sentinels or Korvax?

[analog breach]

I Still have to complete my lore codex

[glass flare]

sounds like whoever wrote this wants to recover forbidden data from before the civilizations were wiped out by the Sentinels so they can gain all the tech advancements that were lost

9-We can extract them...
10-Drink their foam...
11-Transcend our heritage...
12-Help ourselfs to the best of all technology...```

[analog breach]

Sounds like korvax

[uncut harness]

Mind if I use this for NMSLOKI?

[analog breach]

No problem

[uncut harness]

ty

[regal heron]

would be my leaning too

[glass flare]

yeah especially bc of this part 15-A pitiable hivemind... 16-Defy the cult... 17-Defy deference...

although it could be something like the Void Mother trying to bring Korvax over to her cause

[uncut harness]

what cult could that reference

[analog breach]

Atlas

[glass flare]

yeah I think it's referencing how the Korvax worship Atlas

[uncut harness]

i guess atlas makes the most sense

the sentinels dont exactly like it

[regal heron]

well the Void Mother was the original Convergence and the 'soul' of Korvax Prime

[uncut harness]

I wish the korvax plaques had more about the void mother

[glass flare]

is ourselfs a misspelling or was it spelled that way in the message

[small pier]

Glad I caught you tonight.
Wanted to mention to you to keep an eye on Fleet Missions when you have a Leviathan as lead, they mention the places they're at which have been known to be before the 16th minute and after the last two minute which I thought was interesting.
Most of it is really nothing but they do, on occasion mention some fun flavored text

[uncut harness]

Ill take a look

[small pier]

I'll try to start compiling logs and looking through story for you.
If you want or are interested in research more lore, the Polestar Expedition (might have been an actual Update, I forget tbh), Levithan Expedition, and Sentinel Update all have, I would say the most major story beats

Also Utopia has some really weird things happening in the last chapter on it.

Now I know some people in here don't consider Expeditions canon and that's ok, I do to an extent because a lot of times they give hints to what the next Update will be and somethings that are said do reappear in Updates themselves.

[analog breach]

All number sequences i found:
A-Prime numbers sequence 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,79,83,89,97...
B-Euclid-Mullim sequence
2,3,7,43,13,53,5,6221671, 38709183810571,139,2801,11,17, 5471,52662739,23003...
C-Untochable numbers sequence
2,5,52,88,96,120,124,146,162,188, 206,210,216,238,246,248,262,268...
D-
1,3,5,7,9,13,15,25,31,33,37,43,49,51,63,67...
E-Lucky numbers of Euler
41,43,47,53,61,71,83,97,113,151,173, 197,223,251...
F-Markov number sequence
1,2,5,13,29,34,89,169,194,233,433, 610,985,1325...
G- Wierd number sequence
70,836,4030,5830,7192,7912,9272, 10430,10570,10990,11410,11690, 12110...
H-Superior highly coposite numbers
2,6,12,60,120,360,2520,5040, 55440,720720,1441440,4324320, 21621600,367567200...
I-Powers of two
1,2,4,8,16...(16 was marked red)
J-
5,34,65,111,175,260...

[gaunt kettle]

OH FUCK

OH MY GOD HOLY SHIT

[small pier]

🤔

[gaunt kettle]

What?

[small pier]

Where are these from?

[analog breach]

Scrap Robot from corupted planet give them

[small pier]

Hmmm, wonder what they mean or do?

[gaunt kettle]

Theyre duplicatary

[analog breach]

Put one of the sequences in google

[small pier]

Wonder if there's anything for a new ARG or continuation of that one ARG

[glass flare]

I assume they are different types of mathematical sequences. F as I mentioned earlier is the Markov number sequence

G is Weird numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_number

[uncut harness]

That'd be super useful, might get you involved with NMSLOKI at some point if you're interested

[regal heron]

C and F don't get any google results but all the others do

and I'm no mathematician so it's all just numbers to me 😄

[glass flare]

F is the Markov number sequence

[regal heron]

ah, ok, weird that google has no results for me

[glass flare]

I believe C is Untouchable numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untouchable_number

[uncut harness]

A is fibonacci subtract one right?

Nevermind it isn't

[glass flare]

those are prime numbers

[korvax] prime

[regal heron]

so all of them are basically a known number sequence in mathematics

[analog breach]

Sean wants us to be intrested im math

[cursive kernel]

A little bit closer to heaven

[regal heron]

mathematical concepts are woven into the game already, so Sean is obviously a maths nerd

[glass flare]

oh Sean definitely is, it is known

[cursive kernel]

The game is math

[analog breach]

Super nerd

[glass flare]

B is the Euclid-Mullin sequence

[analog breach]

Sequence names updated👍

[small pier]

I wish I knew some super smart people personally, maybe get some on this, I feel like this might be the start of the continuation of the ARG.
ARGs usually have some insane math behind them or require datamining websites.

By the way, have any of you noticed that the inside of the Interceptors have the digital asthetic of the Anomaly where all the Travellers reside?

[regal heron]

google tells me sequence D is Lucky Numbers

oh wait, sequence D has extra numbers in it's sequence, maybe google is giving me the closest thing to it

[glass flare]

H is "Superior highly composite numbers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_highly_composite_number

i think I is Powers of Two

E is Lucky Numbers of Euler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_numbers_of_Euler

D I am still working on, it's weird, I think it is two sequences combined into one

No I take that back, D is Lucky Numbers, except for the 5. every other number is a Lucky number. I don't know if this was a mistake on HG's part or some kind of clue

[small pier]

I need to ask you guys while there's a good amount of people in here lurking and posting.

Do we have a solid theory on the entities/aliens that are in this Update?
What I mean are the beings or at least person who made the now abandoned planet or how that the Sentinel Interceptors have a actual cockpit that's been repurposed for just a AI brain to use (meaning prior to it changing and being a Sentinel they had a humanoid pilot using it)

🤔

Because we do see parts of a full robotic corpse strewn about on Corrupted Sentinel planets.

[gaunt kettle]

I think they're going to implement a sentinel based race here pretty soon

@small pier

[small pier]

I'd like that

[glass flare]

I kinda think it's more likely that a Korvax splinter group will form, led by the Void Mother. based on the logs in this update like defy the cult / defy deference, since Korvax is a cult of Atlas. otoh I don't know how to square that with this line A segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise., which seems to infer that some Sentinels wish to be more than mindless drones

[gaunt kettle]

We will at least get some new cosmetics

Or we better

[glass flare]

Maybe they are setting this up to give us some Last of Us style Korvax with crystals sticking out of their heads so we can have some NPCs to fight

[regal heron]

Unless the interceptors are made of Korvax parts 👀
we know the First Spawn used the metal from melted down Korvaxes to make their ships

[glass flare]

good point

[gaunt kettle]

Thats beyond fucked jfc

[final wyvern]

what in the actual FUCK

the portal sent me in a wrong system

and now im at atlas

i got teleported to him

did the main mission jsut decide to do itself?

[smoky rose]

Seems like a bug. Interested to see how it turns out.

[final wyvern]

i see...

i restored my previous save

apparently the game restarted the mission by itself

and placed this teleporter as the gate to the last mission

but taht scared the shit out of me

XDDDDD

sent in a boundary failed world and a countdown started

then im in front of atlas pulsing in red beams

XDDD

yea...

[smoky rose]

I've had it reopen old portals, but never trigger the final countdown. At least you didn't die, right? Or trash all your equipment.

[final wyvern]

nope i just reloaded my save

didnt interact with atlas

i just said nope

XD

but now i need another portal.....

[raw pecan]

just jump to a portal and restart the purge mission there and leave it

if a portal pops up without you needing to enter portal coordinates you know you're in trouble

[final wyvern]

yup did that

but that still was an outstanding experience XDD and i think more scary than if i did it in the main mission

[bronze schooner]

what's this?

[gaunt kettle]

🙂

[bronze schooner]

ok i understand

[final wyvern]

its an expedition exclusive item

i think

[bronze schooner]

i need remembrence, which i haven't done the quest yet

i still || haven't done that quest where i have to choose artemis's fate 😭 ||

[raw pecan]

scaled up quicksilver item on top of a cartography room, I think, given that I did the same thing lol

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Holographic_Chart_Projector wait is it seriously expedition exclusive

[glass flare]

it's an actual room you can find locked behind the Atlas pass sometimes, it has a Remembrance terminal in there, that's about it

[raw pecan]

oh

I've only seen the boring server rememberance rooms, I wonder if they added those more recently then the last time I went looking

[heady wyvern]

I remember that room being a thing for a good while.

[raw pecan]

I thought it was someone who just did the same thing I did

[final wyvern]

yes

[heady wyvern]

I do figure that it's been there about as long as Remembrance rooms have been a thing.

[final wyvern]

no idea it was an actual room tho

[raw pecan]

I must have gotten massively unlucky not seeing it then, wild

[final wyvern]

well yes

HG did

XD

[glass flare]

the hologram rooms have been in the game since launch, but then they put the Remembrance terminals in them when they added that feature

[raw pecan]

maybe that's it, then, I think most of the rememberance terminals I did were in abandoned stations, maybe that room is specific to observatories or something

I feel compelled to go find it now just to see what I missed, lol

[small pier]

I mean I guess I have to mention this again.
When you jump into a Sentinel Interceptor in first person and it boots up and just before it boots up and you can see the display screen it looks very much like the inside of the Anomaly aesthetically and if you move your characters head down to the bottom left and right and look at the color pallets they used and again, the aesthetic it looks like the Anomaly.

🤔

[glass flare]

Just reposting the number sequences with all of them identified so we have it in one place. Thanks to Astaroth88 for collating the sequences A) Prime numbers: 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,79,83,89,97... B) Euclid-Mullin sequence: 2,3,7,43,13,53,5,6221671, 38709183810571,139,2801,11,17, 5471,52662739,23003... C) Untouchable numbers: 2,5,52,88,96,120,124,146,162,188, 206,210,216,238,246,248,262,268... D) Lucky numbers (5 doesn't belong): 1,3,5,7,9,13,15,25,31,33,37,43,49,51,63,67... E) Lucky numbers of Euler: 41,43,47,53,61,71,83,97,113,151,173, 197,223,251... F) Markov numbers: 1,2,5,13,29,34,89,169,194,233,433, 610,985,1325... G) Weird numbers: 70,836,4030,5830,7192,7912,9272, 10430,10570,10990,11410,11690, 12110... H) Superior highly composite numbers: 2,6,12,60,120,360,2520,5040, 55440,720720,1441440,4324320, 21621600,367567200... I) Powers of Two: 1,2,4,8,16...(16 was marked red)

[rigid socket]

cool

[safe kiln]

that's the inside of an observatory building

[gloomy isle]

I definitely feel like this is building up to what we might get in summer

I wonder if what we get between now and then will build on it

[icy citrus]

I wonder how the stations end up playing in

Just a change, or something else

[final wyvern]

maybe we are the ones who upgrade them

[icy citrus]

Yep maybe

[small pier]

This is what I'm thinking.
I know that a lot of people don't considered Expeditions to be anything but stand-alone but with the last expedition being about rejuvenating a lost system and the update after is us finding planets that are now corrupted it'd make sense if we are able to rebuild an abandoned Station or we get to have our own and have a means to regrow a lost system to attract the three races to it and save them.

Thats at least my thought process.

[rustic haven]

doubt it means anything but in untouchable numbers, 5 is the only theorized odd untouchable number (acording to wiki)

which is the wrong number in the following sequence D

[gaunt kettle]

THE INCOME 🤤🤤🤤

[uncut harness]

"Things are going well, friend. But it will not be long before violence follows us here. It is inevitable."

• Base Overseer.

[uncut harness]

the overseer is really weird

theres a lot of stuff about them hidden away as well

I heard a theory that they are a member of the last spawn cult

[gaunt kettle]

I hate what we do to our science dude

[glass flare]

That's interesting, but yeah the Lucky numbers don't have any direct correlation with Untouchables that I know about. My guess is it was a mistake. We haven't really seen "5" be important in any lore I don't think

[bronze schooner]

will anything happen if i don't choose any of them? like when i'll reach at the end of the game. or do i have to choose to progress the story?

[heady wyvern]

The game will not progress until you decide their fate

[bronze schooner]

ag....

idk what to choose... 😅 😔

[icy citrus]

I let them go

[raw pecan]

it's a shame the options are both basically "make the decision for them"

"put them in, tell them the truth, ask them if they want to stay there" wouldn't be as heartstring-pulling I guess

[icy citrus]

Well they are already dead, so asking them what they want before would be problematic

[heady wyvern]

Honestly, way I saw it, putting Artemis into the Korvax Sim was a one way trip.

Simply can't be removed once introduced

[raw pecan]

it does seem a bit weird in hindsight that "put artemis into a korvax shell" wasn't an option but I guess that'd also kneecap the character drama

but yes, every time I've done the quest I've let artemis die

[glass flare]

plot twist: the Void Mother releases corrupted Artemis from the world of glass

[raw pecan]

I feel like I've chosen.....poorly

I went to use the trade rocket during one of the "atlas is snatching you" portal plot beats and now I'm foreverally locked into watching the trade rocket

flying in realtime to the space station

[analog breach]

I found one more number sequence.
5,34,65,111,175,260...

[analog breach]

And one more corupted planet scrap robot txt:
Alpha through omega...

[small pier]

Hmm, I wonder if there really is something more for us to find

[analog breach]

Only one way to find out

[raw pecan]

TIL the sneaky trick that HG pulls during the atlas portal events

they literally force-convert a planet into an exotic for you for the duration of the event

everyone's network bases just kind of awkwardly hanging out in midair

and they drop an atlas interface in the system for the duration too (note the lack of an 07A SSI)

[shadow mountain]

Knowing the leaks of the space station redesign (exterior) it is not an odd thought to think the interior will be updated too.

Lets see it how past updates improved planetairy bases, freighter bases got updated too. It makes sense to think the Space stations will be updated as well.

As space stations are now, you'll find the shops on one side, missions on the other. Same counts for the ship/suit/teleporter. I can imagine it was good at the start, with ships landing in the middle but feels outdated by todays standards(?)

The division between left and right inside the space station is a minor inconvience. However, seeing the scale of the new space stations.. we may speculate. Perhaps it will get a design like the Nexus? Share your thoughts ^.^

[glass flare]

Nice! This looks to be Magic Constants, however yet again 5 is not supposed to be there. that's very hmmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_constant

[glass flare]

the interiors have to be updated, the existing interior/tunnel doesn't fit the new exteriors properly. aside from the fact that aesthetically they are very different

[shadow mountain]

@glass flare https://youtu.be/7wWssONKU20

Seems ypu are right! The inside looks very out of place with the updated exterior (2:35) still the same. So who knows.

[regal heron]

Space stations are the last major part of the game to get overhauled recently, I'm excited to see what they do with them and whether it will tie in somehow with the Interceptor update and lore too

[glass flare]

I've been trying to see if there's any significance to the "5" that's showed up incorrectly in two sequences now. 5 is in a ton of math things obviously. One thing that caught my eye was that the ASCII code for 5 is the Enquiry character. Probably no connection but kinda cool In computer communications, enquiry is a transmission-control character that requests a response from the receiving station[1] with which a connection has been set up.[2] It represents a signal intended to trigger a response at the receiving end, to see whether it is still present. The response, an answer-back code to the terminal that transmitted the WRU (who are you) signal, may include station identification, the type of equipment in service, and the status of the remote station.

[late tusk]

it just occured to me now that we had this update where Artemis was stuck in.

She was stuck in the void

[glass flare]

It's interesting that several words have been reused in recent updates that were originally used in Waking Titan. "Echo" has been used several times, and was used as the name of a company in Waking Titan which focused on simulating people that were no longer alive. "Memory Fragment" is an item from the Leviathan expedition, and memory fragments were used in trying to save the Dreamers locked into the VR simulation https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/images/f/fe/WT-Toby.png

The in-game description for them is The shattered remnants of a previous existence. It whispers, an unknowable name deep within its fibres.

[rustic haven]

Does this imply there are 24 variations of the messages, alpha through omega?

[icy citrus]

Void Mother Emily

[glass flare]

I've been combing through the Waking Titan wiki to see if anything related to "5" stands out. Obviously a lot of 5 things in there. Element 5 of Phase 5 is actually the audio file I mentioned a few days ago, that opens with We will stop her / Surface highly corrupted

could be total coincidence

Also there were 5 (edit: more than 5) dreamers who were lost in the simulation. The implication during the ARG I think was that they died, but who is to say

[icy citrus]

One we know about

Good ol Telamon

[glass flare]

oh? which dreamer was supposed to be Telamon?

[icy citrus]

The one with just a number

Matches Telamons iteration

[glass flare]

ohhh right 231187661T I forgot about that

[uncut harness]

I'm gonna need someone to walk me through waking titan at some point

I need it for nmsloki

[icy citrus]

Burnt hair and Betelgeuse

[glass flare]

Status: CORRUPTED 👀 https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/images/5/54/WT-231187661T.png

[icy citrus]

👀

[raw pecan]

tbh I'd expect the number 9 to be more relevant than 5

5 is "happens to come up in the number sequences sometimes", 9 is the only purple number showing up on every single glyph puzzle at every single terminal

[rustic haven]

Isnt there technically 5 species? Gek Korvak Vykeen Traveller and anomoly

[glass flare]

I'm looking into 5 because it's showed up as a wrong number in two of the sequences now. In effect, you could say it is "corrupted" data

[rustic haven]

Not sure if sentinals would be considered a species

[glass flare]

It looks like every Dreamer that "died" in Waking Titan was listed as Corrupted

[rustic haven]

What if its both, what if the goal is to find the numbers and relate them to glyphs

[glass flare]

yeah I think there's debate on whether Travellers and Anomalys are the same race, and whether there used to be more (i.e. the robots we see at the corrupted world camps). but could be 5

[raw pecan]

I'd argue travellers = anomalies, but we could argue there's a fair few more races that exist/have existed too

sentinels were a race before they were sentinels when they were warring with the vy'keen, and we know depending on the universe there's been several races just erased from existence

[alpine furnace]

Do sentinels leave a planet completely if you beat 5 waves?

[final wyvern]

it better be updated as well

[final wyvern]

corrupted?

if so no

[alpine furnace]

normal

[final wyvern]

if they are normal ones they do

u can also shut them down from a sentinel pillar

[alpine furnace]

that's cool, but the wabes should be much harder or longer

[rustic haven]

I found one that said "The pugneum that greases our joints" that had the sixth, not sure if this is the text you meant though

[final wyvern]

but they should come back after some time

[final wyvern]

well sentinels too

they do seem sentinet to me

[rustic haven]

Im not so sure, possibly though

[final wyvern]

well who wrote the sentinel lore in the pillars then :D

and at some parts tehy really express emotions

pain being one of them

[rustic haven]

very true

[final wyvern]

so scrapping sentinel ships is kinda huh

chopping a body and selling the parts in a way

[rustic haven]

no different then executing sentinals by that logic

[final wyvern]

well thats true

[rustic haven]

Speaking of references to echo's, its also referred to in destroyed freighters.

[glass flare]

Thanks! It seems to have association with the Korvax, maybe that's who is speaking in the log here

[raw pecan]

"echo" is what the korvax call their "souls" for I think as long as they've been in the game, yeah

any time the topic of their shells come up

[rustic haven]

Yes it was a korvax crew, from what I gather they encountered an alternate universe verion of their vessle, destroyed it beliving it was a trick as they claimed to be korvax despite not speaking to the convergance (or whatever their hivemind is called)

[glass flare]

hmm

[rustic haven]

Does that mean the echo locator is locating souls that somehow lead to the camp?

[glass flare]

not speaking to the convergence, maybe it was some of these dudes 15-A pitiable hivemind... 16-Defy the cult... 17-Defy deference...

[rustic haven]

Possibly

Wish I documented more of the log, it was just a vessle destroyed by virus again though so I didnt think of it until that mention

[glass flare]

yeah no worries, sometimes things hit different in NMS a year later lol

[rustic haven]

I was also wondering, is this the text you where reffering too from the bots?

[glass flare]

yeah they were taken from those messages, that Astaroth88 was collecting

[rustic haven]

Wonder how many there are

[raw pecan]

i mean it could go a lot of ways— maybe the robots are proto- or pre-korvax-prime korvax and that’s who the locators are locating, maybe the “echos” are korvax in the old space station balls in those camps, maybe it’s something else entirely if “echo” is a catchall term for the soul of a machine that applies to all ai-based sentience

[rustic haven]

because the one I posted isnt in his documentation

[glass flare]

we need a better central place to post all this stuff, this channel moves so fast things get lost

[rustic haven]

Lol I dont even think this channel is ment for lore speculation

[raw pecan]

maybe they’re all called echos because all AI is a faint echo of atlas

[glass flare]

it sort of is de facto bc it's the only place we can talk spoilers

[rustic haven]

Could also be "echos" of previous itterations of the universe, but who knows honestly, not enoph info currently so its all guesswork

[raw pecan]

yeah this is pretty much the wild lore speculation channel

[glass flare]

or echoes of people that the people that created Atlas used to train the NPC behaviors on

[rustic haven]

Also I wonder if these bots where the pre-sentinal species, as the locator itself is a hybrid

[raw pecan]

that, I doubt— it’d make more sense for the “non-ai” life forms to fall under that, if at all

[glass flare]

it's curious that they're sometimes called Autophages. autophagy in biology is when cells devour parts of themselves in order to get rid of unneeded or defective parts

[rustic haven]

So If I remember correctly each autophage has a greek letter in the name, not sure it relates to what part of the message they hold but definetly seems to directly be referencing your new text

[glass flare]

Greek letters are also used for the Interceptor ship names so it might just amount to flavor text, but yeah it's worth looking at

[final wyvern]

talking of interceptor ships there's also the weird thing of their names changing

or could that actually be a bug

[glass flare]

Hm I don't think I've seen that myself yet, weird

[small geode]

They have different names at different crash sites first one you find the name will come up in menu tho

[final wyvern]

no the ship has a different name before i claim it

could be just me i guess

[small geode]

Ah gotcha

[safe kiln]

I believe so

[eternal radish]

@Forameus#4141 A lore speculation thread maybe?

[analog breach]

No i wonder if greek letters are conected to binary letters or they are just random 🤔

[unborn raven]

interesting gek terminal

[merry estuary]

Vykeen brother

Like they would ever call us that

[raw pecan]

left over from one of those megadeleted races, I assume

[uncut harness]

possibly aeron

[dense quartz]

I dont see the greek letters in my game. The interceptor names are just missing them

[raw pecan]

some of them are bugged out that way, yeah

I've seen most of them with letters, but sometimes it's just a dash and nothing after

I suspect they forgot to include some of the greek alphabet in their fontset, whoops

[final wyvern]

oops indeed

[safe kiln]

I'm curious what the issue is with adding a larger range of unicode characters to the game's fontset; we can't even read what other travellers say, sometimes...

[keen topaz]

sup everyone, today i was in my freighter and a weird ball showed up with the "Space station core" name, i had the option tho interact with it, but it showed no text.
it looked like a eye with a red iris
white or metal not sure
never saw that in game before, as it had a moving animation like it was looking arround
than disapeared
does anyone know what could it be?

[safe kiln]

any screenshots?

[keen topaz]

noop, i should have done that

But i remember for sure that the Text was "Space Sation Core"

it was halfway in the ground

[raw pecan]

I think someone posted that bug…here? on reddit? one sec

https://old.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/ypmwri/what_is_this_and_why_is_it_inside_my_freighter/

[uncut harness]

🧐

[raw pecan]

comments mention uninhabited system, maybe ships clipping into “where the space station would be” and something being a bit…wonky

[final wyvern]

@solar cairn

you arent the only one :D

[keen topaz]

yes

[solar cairn]

:0

[final wyvern]

they had the same bug as u did

[solar cairn]

Twinsies!!!

[final wyvern]

:D

[solar cairn]

They got to read the name tho, mad jealous

It wasn't busted like the Outlaw systems. So nice to know it isn't the security system from derelicts.

[glass flare]

super weird that it's showing up in freighters

[uncut harness]

I'm almost inclined to believe this isn't a bug.

[rigid socket]

Hope it’s not a bug lol

[final wyvern]

but like its clipping through the floor

[uncut harness]

Yes.

Could easily be explained by it simply not existing in the universe we are in.

Now it's canon.

[keen topaz]

Maybe they will use that in the new stations?

[keen topaz]

is this variation a little dirtier or am i trippin?

[solar cairn]

Oh no he dirty

[glass flare]

it seems to have battle scars on the surface

[solar cairn]

That's what I thought first too. Since it seemed to still move like station cores, but not the broken ones in the Outlaws. Though the derelict ship security uses the same model, just not that big

[keen topaz]

[glass flare]

hm I don't even remember seeing station cores in derelicts

[keen topaz]

me too

i but dont do the thing often

[solar cairn]

The security drones

But now someone got to read it's name. It could be a filler model for the actual station core that we can override

[uncut harness]

Hmmmmmm

This update has added so much interesting stuff without giving any answers to why.

[sour fossil]

The space station core that pops on freighters is not that

I thought it was that but I think it's another thing

https://i.redd.it/4bgwd68zmdj91.jpg

This is the space station core that pops up during contraband scans

[rustic haven]

Ok so that is obviously a glitch because a npc dreaming about astroids is a freighter messge, somehow the model is being displayed ontop of the npc that spawns in a freighter

[keen topaz]

Haha funny bug, as the thing is called "Space sation core" haha

[rustic haven]

instead of a randomly generated pool it pulls the texture and name of the station core

[raw pecan]

either that or it's "an npc" and HG has it set up so "all NPCs in your freighter must have a thought bubble"

[rustic haven]

I doubt it, thats why you can interact with the core, its using the same stats as a freighter npc

also might be why its scaled down

It could be the model for the pirate system core

[keen topaz]

Future one?

[rustic haven]

I was assuming current one

if the textures are the same

[solar cairn]

Finally, if you asked me

[solar cairn]

Same corrosion on the side too

[keen topaz]

Yeah this is the one

maybe just a bug

[solar cairn]

It can't be the model in pirate systems. The ocular glass bit is dangling in those

[rustic haven]

your right

also pirate core is offline not red lighted

[solar cairn]

It is red lighted. But BUSTED beyond repair

[rustic haven]

maybe its a flashing light

[solar cairn]

Oh nevermind...

I thought it dangled

[rustic haven]

How about the abandoned station core?

Either way its definetly a texture overide glitch of npc's spawning in, the question is what the texture is from

[solar cairn]

It's for a fact a bug, but the question now is "Why is it listed as an NPC instead of a Model interface?"

We had Frigate Captains roam since the Living Frigates. But this model didn't start circulating until Fractals. When the Proc-gen stations were leaked

[keen topaz]

I think this bug made us see the "Station Authority Core" for the first time on its physical body

[solar cairn]

Abandoned doesn't have a core.

[solar cairn]

This is far too coincidental.

[rustic haven]

I think your right

also sorry for the bad image lol

[solar cairn]

It's all good.
Captain Steve needs to do better

[rustic haven]

true

the clickbait

[solar cairn]

This is So damn Clickbait, it makes McDonalds look like a Healthy meal with how fake it looks

[keen topaz]

The reddit post is 5 month old, so before fractal i think

[rustic haven]

It came out with outlaws from this videos suggestion

[solar cairn]

Did we have Roaming frigate captains at that point?

[solar cairn]

Was this in the Experimental branch?

[rustic haven]

No, thats why the glitch is newer than that, the actual model is from outlaws but the glitch occoured with the update for capitals

[solar cairn]

Weird

Makes a little bit of sense tho

[solar cairn]

Definitely before fractals then. My bad

[rustic haven]

but thats definetly what it is, just flipped

[uncut harness]

Oh yeah, 100%.

[keen topaz]

So why would we need to talk to station cores? Dont we have the lil screen?

[solar cairn]

Same one

[rustic haven]

Yep, a security drone, names station core

[rustic haven]

what do you mean

[solar cairn]

It's like an interface of sorts, we still need a console to communicate with it. Same with ATLAS

[solar cairn]

Not the first time HG reused the same models and images for different things.

[keen topaz]

Yeah, interceptor

But i sont care at all

[rustic haven]

Shame its nothing new but it is what it is

[solar cairn]

sont

My french flashbacks...

[keen topaz]

The ships and rifle for late game people

[solar cairn]

New or old, it's clues like these that are exhilarating for a playerbase.

[rustic haven]

I mean the cores not the update

the update is great

[solar cairn]

These things we are finding about the model are all "unintended"

So, it's no surprise they are more shrouded in rumors than anything concrete. And if it gets people talking, HG won't say a word. That kind of gossip is great

[keen topaz]

So Maybe HG used the station core thing on interceptor bc they new it would change soon on the ral stations?

real*

[rustic haven]

yeah but its an understandable glitch, likely because I am a compsci engineer but I can envison exactly how this happened gamewise

[solar cairn]

It could be just a "placeholder" model until something more final comes around

[keen topaz]

makes sense lore wise, as corrupted planets are sentinels from the past

[solar cairn]

Oh yeah. I was hypothesizing how something like this could happen. And if a Tag got switched but the previous standing code didn't get altered for that, unintended things could show that the player has no access to.

Like some frigate captains can have the Solar Helmet on.

And I will have them jettisoned too

[rustic haven]

at the same time it could be a placeholder asset left over, or are a result of the drones being in the same memory as the destroyed freighters where the spawn in pool refers to the original asset, likely falling under the same class

[keen topaz]

I think we can make a new ship mod out of that

haha

just a ideia

idea*

[solar cairn]

The Frigate Captain models (I think) pulls from the NPC look pool. So they can have all the customization options. And if it has the NPC tag. It has a chance to be used

[rustic haven]

I honestly think it has something to do with reffering the the security droids in destroyed freighters and the actual freighters, yet that doesnt explain the station core title so who knows

[solar cairn]

Like. I've seen a Tethys roam.

Tethys being the lizard iteration aboard the Anomaly

[rustic haven]

another evil clone 👀

[solar cairn]

That's why I think a Tag got swapped somewhere

[rustic haven]

Possibly

who knows

[solar cairn]

Hopefully with a comment in the code for a change

[rustic haven]

prob should report the bug though

[solar cairn]

Naaaah. It's pretty low on the tier of fixes and generates talk about the game

There are definitely more pressing bugs that need to be addressed.

[rustic haven]

I would think its a fairly simple fix but whatever

i never made a complex game

so maybe not

xD

[solar cairn]

"simple" is a word that never gets used when Computer Code is afoot

Code Bullet (YouTube channel) taught me that

[rustic haven]

very true

fix one error 7 more appear

and this one is really harmless

[solar cairn]

Right now, I think the game crashes are more in demand than this.

[rustic haven]

yep

[keen topaz]

yeah i dont think switch is fixed yet

[solar cairn]

I don't think switch has the update yet

[keen topaz]

it has

it just dont work i think

crashes all the time

[solar cairn]

Ouch

[glass flare]

did Korvax archive building cores always have electricity coming off of them? I don't remember seeing that before but the one last night I went to had lightning all over it

[sour fossil]

Last updates added some new visual effect to some buildings

Archives got mostly smoke but some models did get electricity

[glass flare]

ok thanks

[sour fossil]

This ball on top also got a "levitation beam" coming out from the bottom

[glass flare]

this wasn't the building itself to be clear, it was the spinning cyllinder in the main archive room

[sour fossil]

You can see it on the picture, a bit faint but it's there

Im all in for adding more visuals to buildings we know

But fuck that smoke everywhere

Or better yet - UNDER THE FUCKING WATER

[glass flare]

also is there a central repository of archive building lore? I saw some Korvax things I don't remember seeing but wanted to check if they were new to the update or not

[sour fossil]

Catalouge and Guide tab should collect all the entries you read, doesn't it?

Dunno if it has new ones

[glass flare]

Well I just wanted to know whether to show them or not. If they're old lore I don't want to waste the time

[raw pecan]

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Lore#In_game_Sources if it's on that list it's probably old

I don't think we got anything new text-wise outside of the binary snippets from the broken bots

or at least, if we have I haven't seen it

[solar cairn]

Also got Holograms too!

[solar cairn]

Unless it's from the ARG. It's probably not gonna be in there

[raw pecan]

people bad about updating the wiki?

[solar cairn]

Yeah

Some things still say "Updated since Beyond"

But its good for hard in game codes things
You can get the completed Archive lore snippets from each race. But they don't tell the full story

[glass flare]

thanks, yeah the ones I saw were in there

I saw this one and was reminded of the camp messages "Pitiable hive-mind..." Disconnected choose to be what they are. They choose the errors that lead to their ejection. They choose, in other cases, to leave of their own free will. 98% attempt to rejoin the Convergence, once they are alone.

this almost seems an answer to the message They do not understand what we are, even those who have lived their entire lives in our light. We are not a hive mind. We are not individuals. We are in-between.

[supple bramble]

me looking at "stereotypes" of each race:

vy'keen: barbaric
gek: compassionate (?)
korvax: ???

[solar cairn]

Korvax = nerds
Geks = tycoons
Vy'keen = Jocks.

[glass flare]

gek used to be the most ruthless race in the universe but they got the Korvax hax

[solar cairn]

The void mother special

[glass flare]

The Atlantid. called Void Mother by lesser voices

[analog breach]

Vykeen: will kill you in the name of honor
Gek: will kill you for cash
Korvax: will kill you for science

Small detail. It reads VOID

[solar cairn]

what you tryna say?

[final wyvern]

How

The dots?

[icy citrus]

Dots they say

[rustic haven]

Is this loss?

[icy citrus]

This is the glyph alphabet they use in game

[rustic haven]

I know I'm joking

And that translates to void?

[icy citrus]

Yep

[rustic haven]

Cool

[icy citrus]

All the posters, the expedition decals- they all say things - I like the Gek Milk poster, pretty funny

[solar cairn]

The QS signs all say what they are.
Vykeen Moonrise
Gek and Ship

[icy citrus]

Yeah!

[bronze schooner]

will it affect if i refuse?

[icy citrus]

Not really - that will decline starting a questline - but you can pick it up again anytime you want by visiting another atlas station

[bronze schooner]

oh okay

[uncut harness]

https://youtu.be/TXIW_NRwDWY

[solar cairn]

Oooh. We know of this

[uncut harness]

Nice

Yeah I can't wait

I just now saw this

[solar cairn]

I could browse mentions for a bit and give you a discord link to where we talked about this more if you're interested

[uncut harness]

Yes yes

Also I've been watching vids on nms since it was first released publicly

I've been waiting to play all until it finally released on switch

Now i finally own it and I love it

So much

[tulip agate]

I've been playing off and on since launch.

Space Station revamps are neat, but Hopefully there's more in this update than them and an Expedition.

[solar cairn]

#nms-spoilers message

Check around here. We talked about it both before and after this message

[rustic haven]

well then

[supple bramble]

wat is this mean leak

i thought this is from experimental build?

plus it's just about space station?

[sour fossil]

New space station models have been found in game files in public version

There is a mod that makes them appear in the game, but since they are very much WIP they cause issues in gameplay

Daily reminder: just because something was found in the game files, it doesn't mean it's coming to the game

[supple bramble]

well what is that new space station about

just some new models for npc space stations colloquially found anywhere or it's a player owned space station or something else?

[glass flare]

literally just new (very cool) station exteriors. any other features you may have heard youtubers gush about are 100% speculation right now

[supple bramble]

eh

whatevs

[sour fossil]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2708?tab=images

Search the channel chat yourself if you want to see more images

[supple bramble]

yeah well either way, nothing of interest to me

thought it's about something of new functionality, new stuff to try with

you know, new features to try with as well…

[rustic haven]

No one knows, its all theroy

people see station update and assume station overide chip comes into play but we wont know till it releases

[supple bramble]

obviously

one can only hope

so they have their fingers crossed, one way or another

[rustic haven]

Honestly, I want more flora variations

[sour fossil]

Any new model is highly welcome

After 5 years or so of looking at the same stations over and over again

[rustic haven]

It would be interesting if they could do randomly generated plants like they do with animals

[rare hawk]

So we can use crystal to farm Nanite at 1:50 ratio!!!! 😱

this is mind-blowing!

[unborn bough]

We use Hyaline brain to farm nanites at 1:260 ratio. 🙂

[merry estuary]

Refining?

[sour fossil]

Yup

[supple bramble]

huh

neat

oh yeah, will those portal glyphs hold some, significant role or something...

we use portal glyphs to, well, use portal to go somewhere with given address

now the glyphs used for, overriding harmonic terminal

what else will it be used for i wonder

[unborn raven]

korvax monolith is right 🙏

[merry estuary]

I reject the crimsoj liar and embrace units

[unborn raven]

atlas ftw

man i like korvax monoliths so much better than gek monoliths

they're always like "why dont you have a nice nap. it'll be good for you." and then the right answer is like "lie on the fluffy cloud bed"

and you wake up feeling really refreshed

[regal heron]

yeah, that's how we get you

[unborn raven]

look, gek monoliths are like "first spawn number #1 forever and we will kill the weak" and the right answer is like "stab the starving child," and then the monolith is like "the gek spirits give you a standing applause. death to children"

see what i mean?

guess which option was correct!!

[icy citrus]

Dig into human history - doesn't necessarily reflect current values

[analog breach]

Terrify was corect

[unborn raven]

human history is very complex and spans evidence of a lot of different values. all evidence of gek history is uniformly like this.

[unborn raven]

that's right!

[analog breach]

Typical gek monolith. Bully or kill others

[icy citrus]

All evidence of an overthrown and discarded set of values.

Those Gek ain't these Gek

By lore.

So you are hating the children because of the fathers.

[unborn raven]

that's only because the gentle korvax forcibly improved them

[icy citrus]

Method is irrelevant

[unborn raven]

irrelevant to you

[icy citrus]

That's the past

Should hate Korvax too then

And Vykeen

They all killed/experimented/lied

[unborn raven]

personally i think it's relevant that the gek didn't improve because they realized anything was wrong about brutally killing and subjugating everything, but because someone they subjugated defeated them

[icy citrus]

They all tried to rule, or serve the rulers

[analog breach]

Tell that to void mother. I bet she is still angry.

[icy citrus]

I bet living ships hate the Korvax

[unborn raven]

who wouldn't be

[unborn raven]

if they do they've never mentioned it

[icy citrus]

Because the Korvax made it so they can't

[unborn raven]

unlike the gek, who never stopped mentioning how much killing and enslaving people owned

[icy citrus]

Crazy experimenting psychos

Taking living beings and manipulating their genes to serve them

GGs

Admirable

Rofl

[unborn raven]

the korvax monoliths also don't drone on and on about how awesome and central to their culture it is to experiment on living ships or whatever

[icy citrus]

Here's a wild idea

Stop going to Gek monoliths

[analog breach]

Yes. All in the name of science

[unborn raven]

i can't choose which one i get

[icy citrus]

Yeah you can

[unborn raven]

the game just drops me in a random system when i galaxy jump

[icy citrus]

Don't go to Gek systems. Easy

[unborn raven]

then i gotta go to a monolith