nms-spoilers

[sour fossil]

Every space station in regulated systems looks the same, I would reckon each race would have a different layout

[dense quartz]

Well it's not confirmed yet..

But yeah, I've always thought that the blue look fits Korvax while the other two races could have their own thing going on for the insides of space stations

[sour fossil]

And please for the love of god

Fix the lighting on the outlaw stations

So I dont have to run a mod just to see what colors are the ships that land there

[dense quartz]

I actually think that's intentional, similar with how regular space stations make ships yellow

But it's definitely really intense 😅

[sharp acorn]

LOL, I go straight to trade depots in Outlaw stations if I am going to hunt ships. 🙂

[analog breach]

Yeah. Trade outposts have more traffic. Only downside is that you cant scrap ships there

[dense quartz]

It's still weird to me that only space stations have starship upgrades and scrapping

[orchid relic]

https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2601

^ Makes it so much better

[dense quartz]

Yeah, all that hangar with huge cranes.. and you can't do anything but park ships there in vanilla 😅

[orchid relic]

If there's any place to dismantle and salvage ships - it's my damn freighter

[dense quartz]

Also daily reminder freighters are the only place where we can't summon our companions.. but space stations and space anomaly no problem 😔

[analog breach]

Need freighter room for pets.

[dense quartz]

YES

Rooms where you can see all your pets together and your crew interact with them and pet them and stuff

[wanton path]

omg yes please

let me throw a predator inside and let'em fight!

[icy citrus]

From @fervent cloud

Wild stations, indeed

[fervent cloud]

thx mannn

[icy citrus]

I hope they come soon, I'm already salivating

[dense quartz]

My god those space station models look too good

[fervent cloud]

This ship is the hawk III, if someone remenber from reddit lmao

[fervent cloud]

Amazing models, what i find cool is that abandoned stations and the pirates ones still the same

So adds variation

[dense quartz]

I love how HG is overhauling parts of the game at a time, but with each overhaul their skills seem to get drastically better.. so newer overhauls make recent overhauls look sorta outdated lol
And this is all mixed together with untouched 2016 assets

[dense quartz]

I'd be down for a 'pirate' version of these new stations, but yeah I hope that abandoned ones remain the same. At most, I'd like to see that atmospheric fog around them but that's about it

Since I kind of consider them to be relics of the original game, plus having the current ones around would just add for more variation

[icy citrus]

I'm wondering if the modders are gonna stumble across a Station Interiors folder too

Another from @fervent cloud

Check out the squad

[fervent cloud]

Datamined ships, a sentinel type ship never used on the game

[dense quartz]

Isn't that the same model that HG has for their youtube banner?

[fervent cloud]

Heavy star wars inspiration maybe?

[fervent cloud]

I think so

[dense quartz]

Yup

http://puu.sh/JCp5z/53ada98dbc.jpg

[icy citrus]

[dense quartz]

I remember when the emoji for Frontiers dropped and people were claiming a hidden video appeared in their trailer playlist and that they changed the banner to that picture as a teaser
..But both of those have been that way for ages

God I can't get over those space stations, they're way more detailed than anything else in the game.. mind.. can't.. comprehend.. such quality

[fervent cloud]

When i saw it for the first time i knew it was hello games made, no way someone spent so much time in blender just to make a shady mod.

[dense quartz]

Also the fact that they're more procedural than current space stations 😍

[icy citrus]

What would be magical (but unlikely) is if we could use the Station Override to generate another model.

Change it every week lol

[dense quartz]

I get the feeling that whatever function it'll have, it won't live up to people's own expectations since it's been like 2 years of waiting for it

The most popular theory is that you could own a space station, but I keep wondering "what for?"
Maybe cause owning a settlement left a bad impression for me

[icy citrus]

Oh I think it will be fairly mundane - maybe a way to take a cut of the stations "profits" (read: arbitrary number they decide on) or allow us to rename stations.

@fervent cloud Space statioooooon

Good one

[dense quartz]

Nice pepsi logo

[sharp acorn]

seems like every one I approach is different from any other I have seen so far, on a new PD game today

[sharp acorn]

taking a commerce role, maybe?

I can't really think of any reason I would want station, but we'll see

[fervent cloud]

i do not recommend going inside the triangle ones

You get teleported to weird places

[sharp acorn]

why?

LOL

[dense quartz]

Probably because derpage

[fervent cloud]

When you leave your ship you go straight to the roof

above the tunnel wall but bellow the outer frame

[sharp acorn]

I had that the 1st mod day teleporting to a station

[fervent cloud]

It was possible that was a triangle one

[dense quartz]

WAIT A MINUTE.
There's 3 type of entrances, right? Triangles, hexagons and circles, yeah?

What if.. each race has a completely different interior design? 👀

[icy citrus]

Purple one, from @fervent cloud

[sharp acorn]

I like the purple, great addition

this was with a game lens filter... kind of exaggerated shade

[wanton path]

I hope you're all enjoying the new update

[dense quartz]

If 4.2 doesn't have the space stations included, we all know that there will be a vocal crowd saying how disappointed and betrayed they feel that they were promised space stations and didn't get it

[eternal radish]

I have a mighty need for these stations 🤩🤩🤩

Btw where did people find these?

[wanton path]

datamining

bored people

[sharp acorn]

adventurous curious people

[eternal radish]

Datamining where?

Are these stations save edited in? Are they included in the NMS files, just like that water world?

[sharp acorn]

they were found in some model files

[eternal radish]

Ah. So people could basically add them in game?

[sharp acorn]

then a mod was made for people to see them

[eternal radish]

Btw sorry if I come off as angry. I'm not mad. I'm just dying to know more lol

[wanton path]

Balari V

[sharp acorn]

inquisitive is good, IMO

[eternal radish]

Balari? Hmmmm. Sounds a lot like Balaron 👀

[wanton path]

it's quite paradoxical... people want exploration at its finest... spoils theirsevelves with mods... HG spoils all the content with patch notes....

[dense quartz]

I saw a video on yt that showed off the folder and how the dude tried opening them in blender or whatever.
The modular models are so huge that he had trouble showing them off and couldn't even open the space stations themselves because it would crash blender

[eternal radish]

Holy shit

[dense quartz]

Try and figure this one out;
HG gives us the ability to give ourselves free unlimited items.
Community says that's cheating, disables the feature.
Proceeds to do dupe glitching.

[eternal radish]

Did the people who added the stations to the game with a mod also get in the stations? What was their experience?

[dense quartz]

I tried it out, it's nothing special, you just.. go in the space station and it's the current interior version

[eternal radish]

If these stations ever make it to vanilla NMS I hope they also make the enterior of the stations bigger. There is enough space haha

[sharp acorn]

same interiors, but the entry bay doesn't really match up

[dense quartz]

What's curious is that the entrance to the new space stations look a lot bigger than the current runway, so the very entrance looks awkward with the two different assets placed together

[wanton path]

the interiors should be procedural aswell

[sharp acorn]

yeah, you aim, then aim again

[mental socket]

Well the interior has to become bigger at least. Would look way too off with the old smaller entrance. Also most ships don't even physically fit in current stations

[wanton path]

all interiors should be procgen

[eternal radish]

How about space stations with multiple levels and elevators? 🤩

[dense quartz]

Yeah, a change that's been needed since Beyond..
I hope at least the runways are wider and that there's short ranged teleporters between the two marketplaces

[mental socket]

If the inside is becoming as awesome as the outside, space stations will look way cooler than the anomaly

[sharp acorn]

NO elevators.... Elite has them, they suck.... short range teleporters are best

[eternal radish]

Then the Anomaly needs to be overhauled lol

[eternal radish]

How do they work in that game? I don't play Elite.

[mental socket]

You sit in there and listen to elevator music

[eternal radish]

Bytebeat track of your choice.

[sharp acorn]

@eternal radishyou go in, the doors close, you wait, and wait, then the doors open to a new room

[mental socket]

I wouldn't mind elevators in nms stations as long as they also allow us to use jetpacks or stairs

[eternal radish]

Transparent doors would be interesting

[mental socket]

elevator ride would give a nice moment to organize inventory etc

[eternal radish]

If we ever get elevators in freighters and/or space stations we better also get elevator music 🤣

[sharp acorn]

oh boy, some nintendo synth music, cant wait LOL

[dense quartz]

I actually think the elevators were meant to be the transport between the hangar and bridge instead of a building part, but then got replaced by teleports instead cause it's easier to program and also a smoother experience

[mental socket]

well realistically the stations could fit in bigger civilizations than the settlement.

Imagine having whole separate sections for hangars, shops, habitation and so on. One can dream

[dense quartz]

Man.. if it's expanded like the space anomaly.. that would be amazing 😄

[eternal radish]

Yeah. Imagine people actually living there.

[mental socket]

Well new station exteriors definitely give a vibe of a larger functioning structure with lots of inner workings

[dense quartz]

Funnily enough, I want NPCs to be way more lively than fancier interiors.
No matter how well designed interiors are, it'll quickly feel meh if all NPCs do is just walk around aimlessly

[sharp acorn]

I'm probably the odd man out... I would rather new quest content than cities inside stations

[wanton path]

we've already have the Expeditions, right?

[sharp acorn]

I'm think RNG story lines

[wanton path]

Imaging HG using ChatGPT for some proc gen, like the story lines

[mental socket]

Same really. Gameplay over visuals at all times. But bigger stations with their own cities inside could mean new gameplay inside of them

[sharp acorn]

I like new saves, but how many tmes can one do the same artemis stuff again and again

I create my wn challenges

[dense quartz]

Hardest settings, buy everything including your first ship and freighter, don't use anomaly at all, get all upgrades from outposts, do Artemis and base missions last

[sharp acorn]

I've done similar, but no way to get freighter if you dont do artemis for the HD recipe. So I have never had a freighter in those types of games. Over a month ago, I placed one base computer on each of 6 planets, then played only on foot. Only goal I could think of though, was hit 1 billion

There is a wonky difficulty setting; turn off tutorial, but then it just gives you recipes and full health when you start in Permadeath. Silly, IMO

[icy citrus]

@fervent cloud is trying to catch em all

[sour fossil]

Holy Atlas, such combinations are possible?

[dense quartz]

You know, this whole time I was looking at the models and forgot that different color could also add to variation lol

Space stations are basically being given the waypoint asteroid treatment 😊

[sharp acorn]

I haven't seen any red, that is cool, guess I need to open my game and get warping

[dreamy forge]

i just hope this is an ongoing project they're still working on

especially if interiors get some overhaul too

which could be very likely the case since the ships were made to be larger they now clip through the station interior quite often so a rework/overhaul would make sense

[gusty stream]

They definitely need a size adjustment

I kind of want a more expensive interior to justify the crazy sizes of the space station but that's wishful thinking

Like, what's all that space being used for?

[wanton path]

Amazon shipments

[gusty stream]

Jeff Gekzos!

[dense quartz]

Backrooms

[sharp acorn]

in close, the details look good

[uncut dew]

Those new space stations look incredible. Hopefully, we'll see them in game soon. I only wish I could enter the station from more than one direction. I fly into too many stations now as-is... 🫤

[uncut harness]

I hope they make the interior much larger if they do add the new exteriors

For the center point of the whole system and its visual size, it feels very small and empty

[astral crescent]

WAIT

WE HAVE NEW STATIONS!?

[keen topaz]

yes

[sharp acorn]

no.... this is a mod taken from imbedded files, no one knows what is going to happen with the models

[sour fossil]

That is the correct stance on this matter

Assume nothing new until it gets featured in an update

[sharp acorn]

I s'pose I need to add disclaimers with any image I share

[keen topaz]

well, we kinda have new stations since hello games game the files for us to make mods. But the feature has not been added to nms

gave*

[dense quartz]

The entrance to these stations makes me believe we will get much larger runways at the very least so ships no longer clip through everything, and possibly 3 different internal layouts, one for each race maybe?

There's a lot I'm hoping for, but these are at the top of my speculation list

Or more specifically, I have reason to assume we could get these, while everything else I have in mind is just wishful thinking 😄

[sharp acorn]

I clipped into a mod station while tryng to enter just a bit ago and had to reload, almost kilt me in permadeath

seems some entries are worse than others

[dense quartz]

Yeah, apparently the triangles are the deadly ones

[sharp acorn]

this one was my most recent pic right above

I'll watch out on the triangle ones with my PD save

[uncut dew]

I had a mid air collision with another ship as I was leaving a freighter, almost destroyed me.

Right in the blue zone thingy that auto drives you

[keen topaz]

Ryanair

[cobalt siren]

Are the new stations procedurally generated from parts or are they static

[dense quartz]

Procedurally generated I believe, they are made up of parts in the files and I've seen a bunch of them having the parts plopped onto them differently in lots of systems

[gaunt oracle]

VARIETY UPDATE VARIETY UPDATE

[sharp acorn]

@dense quartzI believe so, also. Each new one I come to is a variation, haven't seen 2 alike yet

[dense quartz]

I've seen ones that were pretty similar but always have something that makes them different.. now also imagine them with more colors than just green 😄

[sharp acorn]

yes

so now I see brown, red, and purple shades

[dense quartz]

Also this entrance really excites me, it's SO much bigger than the current entrance

Oh wait the mod on Nexus adds more than one color? I guess I have an inferior version then

[sharp acorn]

the one shared in the discord was with the limited palette

[dense quartz]

Yeah, I just realized and downloaded the better version 😄

[sharp acorn]

I never went back the green ones to see how they looked, I already deleted that save

[dense quartz]

They have some texture glitches in some areas

[uncut harness]

I know pirate stations haven't changed, are abandoned stations any different?

[dense quartz]

Pirate and abandoned stations aren't affected

Though I kinda hope pirate stations are changed too with a more destroyed look to them, while abandoned stations remain untouched

Also I noticed that the tractor beam has a mechanic where it's much more visible and longer if you're looking at the entrance from the side, but if you're in front of it, it's barely visible, pretty nifty

This visual bug that showed up in Fractal and hasn't been patched out tho.. 😩

[kindred rose]

What’s the mod called that lets you see the new stations

[dense quartz]

Woop https://www.nexusmods.com/nomanssky/mods/2708

[jaunty sedge]

Could I use this specific image in my upcoming video? It does a great job of showing the mismatch between old and new. I've already recorded audio and stuff, but I can credit you onscreen with whatever social you prefer. 👀

[dense quartz]

Sure! Just "Vrabo" is okay 😄

[jaunty sedge]

Okey doke! Thank you!

[glass flare]

Wow, I missed all the excitement! New stations?? They definitely look a lot more unique than the current ones, although it's a big aesthetic change to get used to. I'm not sure how I feel about them yet, a bit visually busy perhaps. I hope this goes along with bigger interiors with more procedural rooms and places to explore. The current stations are already way bigger than the interior spaces use, these new ones look even bigger than that

Also I guess this would make more sense for those override panels to finally be used to take control of a station, these new ones look a lot more unique from each other and thus would be cooler to have a more personalized station under your control. Still not sure I like the idea of that, but I can see how these changes would facilitate that better

[warm light]

Will the inside of the station change as well?

[sharp acorn]

nobody knows anything certain about these models that were found in the files, so far people can speculate, but there is no evidence of anything set in stone

[keen topaz]

it has not changed yet

But they are cool stuff for mod creators, even if they get cut

[sharp acorn]

no doubt, I am loving the mod, and added scenery every new system I hit and wondering what the next station will look like

I hope they show up in an update...... but I am making sure to be responsible in what I say about them

[keen topaz]

The triangle ones dont work in my game

lmao

[sharp acorn]

@keen topazI dont go in them, others said the same thing

[keen topaz]

triangle = iluminati

[sharp acorn]

I saw 2 on my way jumping the core a while ago, and stayed out

if it was a permadeath save I would check to see

wasnt

[keen topaz]

maybe a fix for the mod is possible

[sharp acorn]

I doubt it is the mod, the entries dont really match with the new shells

I clipped inside a station this morning, because I wasn't lined up just right

[keen topaz]

the other stations work, i think is just where you set to spawn when you leave your ship

[glass flare]

they would have to change in some way because the current interiors don't line up with the new station entrances

[safe kiln]

hopefully derelict and pirate stations aren't left in the dust with this facelift

[glass flare]

i could see from a narrative perspective pirate stations remaining as the old style, since the pirates have hacked into the station core and modified it

[safe kiln]

I suppose it could be argued that both are left on the "old" models for that reason...

though this game does seem to have a trend of leaving older structures behind when similar ones get added/updated

[fringe flax]

There is no change that HG will decide not to do these station updates now they have been leaked by the community?

[glass flare]

Why, out of spite or something? HG doesn't operate like that, and a few things have been leaked in the past. Plus they obviously put a lot of time into these things, to me it seems certain they will release them at some point in the future

That being said I would have much rather seen these in an update trailer for the first time, but it sounds like they didn't really make it hard to find in the files

[sour fossil]

There were some other pieces of content that were datamined / taken out from game files

But didn't make to the release of the game

Assume nothing for granted, we'll have new space stations when we get them featured in a proper game update

[fervent cloud]

sup is someone online that can send images here?

got more cool station pics

[dense quartz]

All they'd have to do to make stations feel appropriately big inside is make it like the space anomaly, just a huge open place with busy stuff in the background, not necesarily accessible to the player

[sharp acorn]

@dense quartzany time I enter the Anomaly I want that to be the next update, I despise the parking area and all the bizarre obstacles and weird paths

[wind panther]

@fervent cloud

You should delete the ones in modding

[fervent cloud]

thx

[uncut harness]

18k textures

[wind panther]

Yeah, I haven't looked at how high res they are, a lot of the work is being done with normals I think

[dense quartz]

I still can't get over how super detailed these new space stations are, distractingly so compared to every other asset I've ever seen in NMS lol

[wind panther]

Screenshots from @fervent cloud

[sharp acorn]

@fervent cloudare you having issues inside any triangle stations? Players have reported problems with them. I am mostly Permadeath, so I don't risk going in them.

[dense quartz]

I just realized something.. when space stations are officially released and advertised, no one will care lol
Community already knows about them so there's no surprise, and everyone else won't even absorb anything the trailer video shows, just mindlessly copy paste the standard "was bad now good" phrase and move on

[sharp acorn]

seeing them in pics is not the same as seeing them as you fly up to them

[orchid relic]

Don't use the mod on PD if you enjoy living 💀

Most stations seemed to work fine, but the Pyramids mostly levitate me into the ceiling - or worse - space, both after teleporting or exiting the ship after landing. Unless you rename every space station to a shape-disclaimer or just never use the Teleporter, idk if that's a productive approach

[dense quartz]

Well I have flown around them 😅
Though I'm really looking forward to seeing what they have planned for internals

[sharp acorn]

@dense quartzI'm just saying, I think people will be more happy than not if these get released.

[dense quartz]

Well yeah, I wasn't saying people wouldn't be happy

[sharp acorn]

I can't help but wonder how Sean and whoever created these feel about them being put out in the open.

[orchid relic]

Idk, it's bittersweet.

May have put a slight dampener on the surprise, but has me excited looking forward to the fully implemented overhaul and the fact that they're working on this

They look amazing from the outside ingame btw, worth a shot on a non-PD save (just make backups before lol)

[sharp acorn]

@orchid relicI've been through about 20 or so systems in the last few days checking them, only 2 close calls, one in normal had to restore to not die, and the other in PD clipped into the station on entry and made it out

my PD saves rarely make it 3 days before I delete and start a new one

[orchid relic]

I just happen to make backups frequently and something told me it'd be a good idea to make one before changing the very space station I last saved in would've been forced to die somewhere in the glitched ceiling otherwise, just a PSA.

Wish this somehow could be fixed or prevented tho, it's only in the Pyramids

[sharp acorn]

I have GF Editor, so my established saves are safe, right?

[orchid relic]

It creates auto backups, so technically yea.

I just have a separate folder with a shortcut to my NMS game saves and tend to just copy paste everything but the cache folder - every so often

[sharp acorn]

I do that, but very spread out, probably 5 or 6 months since last time 🙂

[orchid relic]

[sharp acorn]

most all my new play is disposable

[orchid relic]

After my old 300h mainsave inevitably broke, I took that approach aswell.
The path is the goal - accountdata is fine, so everything's mostly replaceable anyway

[dense quartz]

I kinda wish Sean would at least give a bit more info on future updates because a single emoji is repeatedly making people get way too hyped up and then disappointed since there's really nothing to temper expectations.

I mean, originally his announcements were "Foundation is adding bases" "Path Finder will have a vehicle" "Atlas Rises has a story and portals work now" and "NEXT adds multiplayer"
..It gives an idea what to expect even though those had way more going on for them, but you also couldn't go with super wild expectations that way

[solar cairn]

Oh no.. they would care a great deal. Now getting your ideal station would be HUGE. As well as a new influx of players around the update. AND for now, it's only the PC community that can explore them. If you don't have access to mods, you basically can only look at pictures. The YouTubers are pretty much garnering hype right now.

Besides, we know it's going to be a space station oriented theme. We do not know what else is going to be included, or rewards for the next expedition

[sharp acorn]

"Besides, we know it's going to be a space station oriented theme. "
we do?

[solar cairn]

We don't! Just an educated guess... Since space stations are in the files

More speculation on my part. But not far off for what theme it is if THATS in files

[tight wadi]

Is there something these guys do?

Ive encountered 4 of them in succession now

[glass flare]

They're very aware of the dataminers, and they know how to hide things. Either they screwed up and left these in, or they left them on purpose as a tease, knowing that dataminers would find them. Either way what we see is not at all the final product of whatever comes out. The interiors that go along with these stations will hopefully be as exciting as the exteriors

Do we know at all how procedural these stations's structure are? Like is there a top middle and bottom, or is it more complex than that?

[safe kiln]

maybe the stations are just one part it

[solar cairn]

No. Not really. Though it's a cool deep space event

[timber plume]

Oh, I can’t wait for these in the main game

[fervent cloud]

yes

[dense quartz]

I wonder if new space station interiors will have a visual thing where you can see the trade rocket actually land and get unloaded

[uncut harness]

has anyone had the thought that these migght come alongside those "freighter" (people thought they were going to be freighter parts) building parts from previous leaks?

[sharp acorn]

are those parts still there?

[uncut harness]

not sure if they are in files still but if not they can be reintroduced

[sharp acorn]

yeah... good concept of connecting some possible dots

[uncut harness]

this is purely speculation but it could be custom base style stations

they have a similar feel to the parts that were leaked

[sharp acorn]

though I cringe at any elevator model after using the recently added ones in Elite Dangerous carrier interiors

[uncut harness]

the one we had was incomplete as it had no bottom texture

[sharp acorn]

the mini teleporter is ideal, IMO.... flawless in gameplay

[blazing cliff]

@slow hatch hey

what should i do

[slow hatch]

It doesn't matter. It's entirely your choice.

[blazing cliff]

alright

[dense quartz]

I keep trying to.. get into Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous but I keep being demotivated from not having an "introductory point"
Like.. with NMS it was at least easy to figure out who HG was, what Sean was about, how the launch went down and how the turnaround happened etc.. but with those other two games, everything I find on it feels like I need 2 years of catching up to do to understand it 😅

I'd definitely like to try them out just to compare to NMS one day

[sharp acorn]

@dense quartzyes, you're right on about the start of Elite. I took days off at a time in frustration my first weeks. I spent more time on YT than in the game at first. But after the momentum got rolling, it took off and I was in love with it. After about 7 or 8 months and I had pretty much completed most stuff, I started another account to experience the rough beginning again. The a couple months later, once more. I still go back when our amazing badass squadron takes on missions against other factions that are being full on tw*ts. I'm somewhat worthless at PvP, but the rest of combat makes NMS feel like Mario Kart.

@dense quartzif you're on PC, and want to try it again, let me know, I can invite you to our squadron, we help out lots of new players.

[hushed dragon]

I'm at an edge world doing the atlas path, how do I travel to the galactic center?

do I need all glyphs?

[sour fossil]

Does the game tell you to reach the centre as part of mission description?

If so, you don't have to do that, just warp 16 times in any direction

[hushed dragon]

Does all your technology break every time you go to a new galaxy, or just the first time?

[icy citrus]

Every time you use the core, or switch via the story

[hushed dragon]

I noticed that exocraft are not affected.

I might use that to my advantage. Move all the technology into exocraft storage, and then retrieve after the "reset"

[icy citrus]

You can package tech up also

[hushed dragon]

Packaged tech are not damaged? Might be easier

[icy citrus]

Correct

[solar cairn]

Core tech also doesn't break if I'm not mistaken

[hushed dragon]

Is it normal to arrive in a new galaxy close to the core, or did I get randomly lucky

[stiff sand]

Randomly lucky, I usually emerge ~700,000 out IIRC

[hushed dragon]

I arrived within one jump of the core systems.

[uncut harness]

what does this final terminal stuff mean? game gave me three options. seems like this'll lead to come kind of conclusion, probably knocking off my galaxy or whatever?

[sharp acorn]

reset simulation, right?

@uncut harness

[uncut harness]

@sharp acorn i got the 3 choices. contuine exploring and the other two

[boreal depot]

wtf is that?

@fervent cloud

[uncut harness]

space station models found in the game files

[boreal depot]

They will be like that sooner I think.

[boreal depot]

They come in different colors don't they?

[boreal depot]

Looking for an cool stellar intelegence.

[uncut harness]

Thats gonna be an update???

Looks super awesome

[boreal depot]

Oh found it

[sharp acorn]

until NMS announces something about it, we can only guess, but no one KNOWS anything yet

[dense quartz]

The space station models look like too much work was put into them to not be released, though I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't in the very next update.
...And I won't be surprised if people get really mad about that because they were convinced they were promised by HG that it'll be added asap

[sharp acorn]

yup

I like Capt Steve's videos, but his video was labeled "new stations coming"

[glass flare]

i wouldn't be surprised if they were released soon because they've been doing non-content updates (QoL, expeditions) for around four months, so they're cooking something up most likely. and because they didn't make much attempt to hide the models, which could be a soft tease to whet our appetites. but i wouldn't be surprised if it was "new stations coming [in nine months]" either

[sharp acorn]

the entries don't match the shells, you can clip inside.... they need new interiors, I believe

[glass flare]

true, that doesn't mean they aren't working on them though. the exteriors could have been finished in November for all we know

[sharp acorn]

yeah

I wouldn't put money on anything, I could be wrong about any guess I made LOL

[tender barn]

Who were the red robed…whatevers

They’re mentioned a few places..something about red robed figures

NMS cultists

[dense quartz]

I recall reading in one of the many interviews that Sean did before Waypoint's release that they were already working on 4.1 and 4.2 before 4.0 was even out.
Kind of a shame so many content creators jumped to the conclusion that "nms is dead/on life support" just because of 2 QoL updates

Especially when you look at the timeline of previous updates to see a pattern and what HG's priorities are; they finally dropped the gimmick updates of just adding new random shallow useless stuff and began overhauling and expanding existing stuff.
Combat, space, freighters, base building, exomech and living ships.. so I'm not really surprised to learn that they're going to redo space stations completely

[solar cairn]

Where did you read these logs at?

[uncut harness]

There's a gek archive on them

I believe shadow is talking about the last spawn

[solar cairn]

In red robes?

[mystic bough]

So Palpatine's guard

[buoyant pawn]

what part of the artemis storyline do i get the portal glyphs?

[uncut harness]

Yep

[uncut harness]

The purge

Right at the end

[mental socket]

anyone tried the new hologram signs yet?

[icy citrus]

Seen them in screenshots, haven't tried them myself

[regal heron]

is the first one unlocked already?

[uncut harness]

Not yet

[sharp acorn]

I checked them out on my freighter, the circle one looks cool

[solar cairn]

The only hologram unlocked is the Holographic Friend

[warm light]

What will the interior of the new space station look like?

[sharp acorn]

I haven't seen anyone find anything in the files for any possible station interiors. It's still only speculation if there will be any.

[solar cairn]

We got black hole signs now??

[icy citrus]

Not yet, but coming

[solar cairn]

Nobody knows. The proc gen stations were discovered in files

[solar cairn]

Dang... Sometimes, this makes PC worth it

[warm light]

Where?

[solar cairn]

No idea. I'm on ps5

But the leaks were from the game files

[sharp acorn]

I didn't even know about them, I was playing on an old save and messing around with updating my old freighter interior to the new stuff and went into decorations and saw stuff that was new to me but I assumed had been around

[solar cairn]

Jealous

[tawdry topaz]

🤔 got to this point, a lil stumped

[merry estuary]

Those are glyphs to the planet you need to go to

[tawdry topaz]

oh!!

[merry estuary]

You'll need to figure out what glyphs those words translate to (or just google it) and the galaxy (Euclid obviously)

[tawdry topaz]

yea i think it'll be fun to figure out which are what now that i realize what the clues are even about xD ty!

[merry estuary]

Youre welcome, have fun riddling

[mental socket]

Seeing those I kinda get this weird vibe they'd be perfect for the new station interiors if those get reworked

Really fit the style of new exteriors

[tawdry topaz]

geez that was infuriating. had an awful bug where the repaired LS kept changing into a normal crash site, but i managed to claim it before it changed for the 4th time

bug report form i am sick of your face

haha the modified descriptions are cute, "ask the ship if it wants to take off, keep the ship happy by warping", ect

:) i been replaying Final Fantasy 10 lately so i named my new ls Sin

[boreal depot]

What is this portal @sharp acorn Din't knew you were here lol.

[sharp acorn]

@boreal depotit's a decoration that will be released someday

[boreal depot]

do you have some other new decor pics?

[sharp acorn]

no, I didn't even know it was anything special, just saw it and had never noticed it before, then read people talking about it

[boreal depot]

have you got any other screenshots with decors you don't know?

[sharp acorn]

my scientist nd overseer

[boreal depot]

How did you get these?

@sharp acorn

[sharp acorn]

editing JSON

[boreal depot]

without that is it possible to see them for others?

@sharp acorn

[sharp acorn]

seems like you have a contradicting question, or I am not understanding what you are asking

[boreal depot]

Like can others see the guys how they are for you?

[sharp acorn]

I believe so, it is not a Mod

[boreal depot]

So I need one but I'm on ps5 is there a way?

Like I want one.

[sharp acorn]

it is changing the parameters so I can use the seed for those characters

I don't know of any way for it to be done on ps5, but I don't know anything about ps5, which means, just because I don't know something, is nto the same as saying it can't

[boreal depot]

ok

but like Ik it is possible for frigate capitains to be like this if you like glitch in the code a bit. like for the game to think your frigate was from an uncharted traveler system yk.

then it will aply a traveler or Iteration head.

[sharp acorn]

I am not familiar with that, but I don't need to since I can do it in editing

[boreal depot]

Like I got 2 quicksilver guy and one shark.

I can't that is my problem.

I wanna get special npc as like a station overseer or like my frigate capitain.

[glass flare]

I don't think it's easily possible because save files are encrypted on PS4/PS5. I think there's a paid third party program that can allow decryption but it's not straightforward. you'd be better off asking in the #nms-modding channel

[untold willow]

Hey question

Is there any weight to that ship customization rumor or is it just ppl on hard copium ?

[stiff sand]

IIRC it's in the game files but not enabled. Whether that means it's coming, that's not for us to say.

There are things in the game files from years ago that never appeared.

[untold willow]

Given that ship hunting is a big thing I don't think they'd actually release it

[stiff sand]

If they overhauled ships to be more variable, or that you had to actually acquire a ship with a certain part to use it, it might be viable.

[untold willow]

My main save is rolling in units and nanites so whatever they chose to change I'm covered

[tawdry topaz]

it's just creative mode so not much of an accomplishment, but my first living ship :3

[subtle gorge]

ayy

[glass flare]

my personal theory is they put in ship customization code only to allow them to more easily make specific ships for trailers and other marketing materials, though I haven't seen the code so i may be off-base

[dense quartz]

Just had another thought about the leaked space stations.. if they get overhauled in more ways than just visually.. I wonder if they'll rework the wanted level so it doesn't disappear when you enter a space station

Dunno how they'd implement that in a way that works, but I think it would be better if we couldn't just get rid of it by going into a space station, since it's always felt like an exploit

[tidal dock]

How to package tech?

[sharp acorn]

@tidal dockwhen you click on the tech, look at the options, there should be an "X"

[tawdry topaz]

in what ways does the sentinel hardframe improve the minotaur? just makes it better at fighting?

[warm light]

The minotaur changes to a sentinel appearance.

[tawdry topaz]

so it's only cosmetic? eh, disappointing but cool anyway

[warm light]

But if it looks good, that's fine.

[warm light]

Of course, Minotaur AI is actually useful.

[tawdry topaz]

eh, it's kinda derpy in combat

[dense quartz]

I dunno if the stats change in any way.. but I do know you can't recolor the mech after upgrading it

[eternal radish]

Mine is a badass during combat.

[solar cairn]

And different animations, like arm cannons shooting from the arms instead of always using shoulder mounted launchers

[wet copper]

Well this is interesting!

That first ball you locate in "Awakenings", if you instead of checking it, opt to not disturb it, the prompt literally says "No point in disturbing the dead"

This isn't a death beacon. This is an emergency system.

For sending out sos' etc

Fascinating that the game would prompt you with that....foreshadowing

[uncut harness]

That's interesting

[glass flare]

the Planet Records are a bit curious, why do they have Smallest and Largest planet records if all planets are fixed sizes, I think 3 size types total? Or has HG changed this to make every planet's radius different?

[warm light]

Then deconstruct the hardframe again.

[dense quartz]

😔

[mental socket]

Could it be based on the height value of destructable terrain? Doesn't each planet still have a range of those within their fixed sizes?

[tepid vortex]

the robot is giving me existential crisis

wtf

[tawdry topaz]

i think it could just be cosmetic, like the main size categories may have an assigned "range" possible for each type, but that's just my theory

[solar cairn]

So more or less yes. There are a set "largest - smallest planet"
But it should track what you found and or visited. At that point

[ivory crown]

well that's only normal

you don't exist, after all

you are but an imaginary entity created by atlas

[zenith pivot]

Has anybody tried falling through a planet? What will happen in the end?

[mental socket]

You'll get trapped to the center of it. Tried once when I fell through terrain

[zenith pivot]

I’d love to see that. I found a hole in the terrain where I could just step into void. But I had to do it in an exocraft or else I’d get teleported to the surface again

Fell for 30 min but didn’t make it to the bottom

[solar cairn]

You eventually hit a plane that puts you back on surface

Unless, yeah, you're in an exocraft.

Could hit water too repeatedly

[zenith pivot]

Seems like that was what happened

I managed to summon the nautilon and drive it downwards but I lost track of what was up and down so I had to exit 😭

[solar cairn]

Real life phenomenon hit ya

[eternal radish]

You go to the World of Glass /s

[strong zinc]

what did the First Spawn really do?

[heady wyvern]

Their most relevant deed would probably be enslaving the Korvax

They were conquerers, not precisely capitalists.

[strong zinc]

👏 gek being real ones

and nice jack frost pfp

so they just invaded and enslaved?

I'm liking them so far tbh

[heady wyvern]

But, of course, the Korvax tainted the Gek newborn generations in order to tone down their taste for conquest, making it instead a taste for mercantilism.

[strong zinc]

🤨 please rephrase "tainted the gek newborn"

[safe kiln]

And blew up their homeworld

[solar cairn]

That isn't the full capacity of what the First Spawn did

[heady wyvern]

Used nanite-blood to reprogram the hatchlings' minds

[uncut harness]

The first spawn took over half the galaxy and commited atrocities in the process

In short terms

[solar cairn]

They didn't just enslave them. They committed genocide of the Korvax, melting their Korvax casing for metal. They mined their home world -Korvax Prime- and eventually lead to it's core detonation.

They also attacked a weaken Vykeen race I believe. Not fully sure.

They are responsible for the Great Disconnect. As well as bulky their own race whom they saw "weaker"

[strong zinc]

there, much less sus

[solar cairn]

The first instance of Korvax Prime being destroyed, that instance got purged by the Sentinels. Can even go as far as to say they are what triggered the Sentinels to attack every time you mine any rock, plant, or fauna.

[strong zinc]

but man

[uncut harness]

They caused the sentinels to become what they are

[strong zinc]

this is sounding more and more capitalist as we speak

truly a

[uncut harness]

They didn't do it for profit, they did it for power

[solar cairn]

It was a domination thing. In fact, that still hasn't changed

[strong zinc]

okay wow

that's much worse

[solar cairn]

It just went to physical domination to financial domination

[strong zinc]

no longer a nipnip fan

will no longer smuggle first spawn tokens

[solar cairn]

What the Korvax martyrs did (the ones that tainted the spawning pools) was to "redirect" their desire for conquering and domination to be more in favor with trading and economics

[uncut harness]

I'm still yet to find where the spawning pools lore comes from

[solar cairn]

Korvax, the pacifists, went against their practices to save their race essentially

[uncut harness]

Both the gek and korvax plaques don't mention it

[solar cairn]

Like, where they are located?

[uncut harness]

The lore surrounding the Korvax sacrifice

[solar cairn]

Ooh.

[strong zinc]

my opinion of korvax has spiked

👏 robotmen supremacy

[solar cairn]

I don't think it would be in the plaques, but the monoliths

[uncut harness]

Monolith visions aren't really lore as such

[solar cairn]

It has to take a lot of interpretation for it to work

[uncut harness]

They're just kind of experiences

Not tied to any other lore as such

[solar cairn]

Like the difference of first spawn eggs, and other eggs

[uncut harness]

The Korvax believe the gek changed because they witnessed the atlas

[solar cairn]

It feels like the hidden history.
Similar to The Hirk and Nal story

All of Vykeen love Hirk, yet he wasn't a traveller. He couldn't use or know what portals are. Nal did

[uncut harness]

Thats said explicitly though

whereas I dont believe the korvax sacrifice is actually mentioned anywhere

[solar cairn]

Not in the plaques no

It's somewhere else

Also, re-reading the Vykeen plaques. All it mentioned of Nal was an adversary.
And that Hirk spoke to the Great Monolith - which isn't true

They are in NPC quests

[solar cairn]

I was looking online where the other hidden stories are. There is the NMS Resources page, but it's still under development

Seems like only a handful of players care about the Lore in NMS

Imma just ask someone to look in the files to be sure

[prime inlet]

oh wow, huge convo here

[latent ingot]

Wasn't it part of the storyline? The phase with the Gek cartographer iirc

[latent ingot]

All the lores!

[solar cairn]

Yeah, the short of it, we need help finding the lore conversation in regards to the Korvax tainting spawning pools

[uncut harness]

Ill take a look

[solar cairn]

They aren't in plaques. And the most of a lead I have is an obscure reddit post hinting about NPC missions

[solar cairn]

I did see this too

[latent ingot]

I recall the text about a vision of the Korvax slitting themselves into the spawning pools to change the First Spawn

[solar cairn]

But lead me to a dead end online

[solar cairn]

I do too! But it's not on the Race plaques. In fact, most of the obscure history isnt

Not the True story of Nal

[prime inlet]

we "visit" the spawning pools with the gek cartographer, iirc

[solar cairn]

Not the spawning pool history with the Korvax martyrs

[latent ingot]

Yeah, the psychedelic pheromone trip or something

[solar cairn]

The plaques talk about a Cult of Atlas, and the Gek fell to that. Which doesn't make any sense for a selfish race before to just "now fall to the truth"

[prime inlet]

we "visit" the spawning pools of Balaron

[latent ingot]

The Korvax sacrifices let their nanites flood into the spawning pools and forced the evolution of the First Spawn into the Gek

[solar cairn]

Yes, but this isn't in the Plaques

[latent ingot]

They absolutely didn't make a choice that I could ever see

[prime inlet]

Balaron would be the gek first spawn's homeworld

[solar cairn]

Gotta find where the lore is

[prime inlet]

the part with the balaron spawning pools is read through the cartographer

[solar cairn]

The NPC missions?

[prime inlet]

the main storyline

[latent ingot]

The cartographer is the only mention of it I can remember but I admit I haven't been to as many archives as I would like

[prime inlet]

there might be another entry on archives not sure rn

[solar cairn]

I remember it, it could be main story.

The post I read said that the Exocraft guy was looking into Nal more

And Vykeen plaques regard him as a traitor, when he was the one that the monolith spoke to, not Hirk

[prime inlet]

that whole dialog about balaron, spawning pools etc i was alluring to is at the end of the gek cartographer mission steps in patterns in time

[latent ingot]

Yeah, the "discovery" that you share with Exocraft guy is just debunking the traditional Vykeen lore of Nal/Hirk

I think all the other lore still sticks with the Hirk nonsense but I haven't read up on it in a bit

[solar cairn]

I remember reading that online, Patterns in Time. But the post online didn't have any lore entries at all

[latent ingot]

Yeah....I'd kinda like to take over the wiki and burn it to the ground

[solar cairn]

jeez and the wiki has an entry to a player created community called Hand of Nal.

Which completely muddles lore searches

[glass flare]

speaking of Nal, every archive building I go to now seems to have been hacked into and spits out the same message, talking about Nal. I don't know if there's a quest chain that caused this or what

[solar cairn]

There is possibly.

[uncut harness]

that sounds like either a big coincidence or a bug

[glass flare]

what I mean is that it literally says the archive has been hacked. I thought well maybe this came about with the pirates update and I never noticed, I don't check archive buildings often. but it's a bit strange. I'll grab a screenshot next time I see one

I only noticed it recently, with the latest update

[uncut harness]

There is an archive entry on how much history has been lost from the gek

nothing direct about the sacrifice

[uncut harness]

its not great for lore, which is why NMSLOKI is being made

[uncut harness]

is this a vykeen archive building?

[glass flare]

i think one was, but I believe another one was Gek. obviously i need to do more investigation to verify

[uncut harness]

Theres no gek entry that fits that description

unless its a very specific easter egg of some sort

[glass flare]

is there an online resource i can search the entries at

[uncut harness]

not yet

Unless the wiki has them

Me and some others are working on something that should be better

[solar cairn]

Yeah, reading the colossal archive towers, they seemed to all be written Post First Spawn era

[solar cairn]

There is, but it is woefully incomplete

[uncut harness]

Theres one or two that could be first spawn era

[latent ingot]

And why it will be amazing!

[solar cairn]

Or somewhat mentioned it

[solar cairn]

@uncut harness hold up, if Monoliths can detect "good of heart" there would not be any first spawn monoliths

[uncut harness]

I don't remember any direct references to the first spawn in monolith visions

[solar cairn]

They straight up don't give leyline access if you answer wrong

[uncut harness]

Anyway, each monolith is different, that one chose to speak to nal

[solar cairn]

Rotten eggs, sweet smelling eggs

Pretty much any monolith in a Gek system was in First Spawn era

[uncut harness]

Which would imply the gek had some part in their creation

[solar cairn]

Unless predisposed.

But it's is the same material as their First Spawn remnants in space as well

[uncut harness]

There's also the convergence

Gifted to the Korvax by the monolith

[solar cairn]

And Vykeen... Pride?

Honor?

Leadership?

Strength?

[uncut harness]

The V'ykeen represent all those things

Humanities lust for destruction

[solar cairn]

Yeah, but not clear what the monolith's gift to them.
Not as clear as the Remnants of the First Spawn or the Korvax Convergence

[uncut harness]

I'm not sure the first spawn was gifted anything

The Korvax were given the convergence because of their devotion and connection to the atlas

[solar cairn]

Whatever that material is, They used it to store knowledge. They could make things of it.

I don't think Monoliths are sentient

[uncut harness]

The monoliths are somewhat linked to the atlas

Not fully, but there's a connection

[solar cairn]

After the events of The First Spawn. Nothing is made from the same material. Not even close.

And I don't really believe those statues would be something Atlas allowed

[feral mulch]

I wish there was a place I could just read all the lore. I've read some of it on tvtropes but I don't have a clue what y'all are talking about here

[uncut harness]

Working on it

[solar cairn]

We are trying to work on that

[solar cairn]

This helps my point in a way.

[uncut harness]

As soon as its all databased, I need to find a format for it

[feral mulch]

Can I ask a spoilery lore question here?

[solar cairn]

Atlas only speaks to travellers.
And Monoliths being a detection for it, as well as using only the races origin for questions.

[uncut harness]

Of course

The atlas has spoken to the other races before too

The gek and korvax primarily

[feral mulch]

So, from what I've read, Telamon wants to take over the Traveller, right? But Laylaps calls you Telamon, even when you don't know who Telamon is. Is it possible that our player character IS Telamon, but with their memory wiped?

[solar cairn]

I have to read the Derelict Freighter lore, but that could also give a hint.

[solar cairn]

Boundary Failures Logs tell us that Telamon is our Suit AI

[uncut harness]

Telamon doesn't want to take you over as such

They are there to guide you

[feral mulch]

OH YEAH, I FORGOT

[solar cairn]

Which could also be travellers as well.

[uncut harness]

But the other races aren't travellers

[solar cairn]

They can be

[uncut harness]

The travellers are their own seperate race, created by the atlas with one sole purpose

[solar cairn]

Travellers are more of a state, than separate race

[uncut harness]

One single being living every iteration

[solar cairn]

Every iteration, including other races

[uncut harness]

I don't see much evidence for that

[feral mulch]

Polo and Nada are travellers

[solar cairn]

They are not sadly

They forget you upon simulation reset

[uncut harness]

Nal might have even been before the travellers, I forget

[feral mulch]

WAIT THE NPCS FORGET ME ON RESET?

[solar cairn]

More or less in between the lines.

Travellers being a glitch in the system. Continuing even after resets.

They preserved the other races (ones in the Anomaly)
Nal being the only one to talk to a monolith which has some connection to Atlas but not Hirk even if he tried many times.

[feral mulch]

I'm gonna leave this channel before I get spoiled too much on the actual story arc of the game, it's mostly the lore logs spread everywhere I'm okay with getting spoiled

Thank you all for the conversation, though!

[solar cairn]

Could be. Maybe?

We are talking about events before the destruction of Korvax Prime

[uncut harness]

I plan on putting everything chronologically in nmsloki too

[solar cairn]

Nice

[uncut harness]

So I'll work that out at some point

[solar cairn]

I haven't seen much evidence of Nal being before Travellers. Or even if Travellers were a thing before Korvax prime.

[uncut harness]

Travellers were created at one point, they have not always been

Although the prophecy of them began before their existence

[solar cairn]

They could be since no other race is talked about before then (the anomaly iterations)

And only 1 has a history in simulation "child of Helios"

It makes sense there were travellers before Korvax prime, otherwise... The other Travellers in the Anomaly. All different species if that makes sense

[uncut harness]

We know that null is the first, it's more about when they were created

Which is harder to pinpoint

[solar cairn]

Very hard

But it was sometime after the tech for him to get the "head" he has

[uncut harness]

They could have been created before that

They've lived for an eternity

[solar cairn]

It's possible they were a thing since the birth of Atlas, but never knew what they "are"

Until Null

None of this is confirmed unless HG makes it so

[uncut harness]

We know that telamon was cast out at the same time as null was created

Which I believe could be after Nada and polo's universe was destroyed

[solar cairn]

And the time the First Spawn successfully destroyed Korvax Prime

The first instance - actually... Probably not the first

[solar cairn]

How did they know of the Atlas and Travellers so early then?

Too many questions arise.
That means the other races were purged in Nada and Polo's universe, which could mean they are all from the same one. but Nada and Polo knew what was going to happen. And gathered them to board the Anomaly.

If Null was created around the same time as Telamon being removed from their duties,
That follows around the time the first set of Aerons were banished for the destruction of Korvax Prime, and the New Aerons taking their place without Telamon.

Before then, Telamon oversaw and logged previous instances being wiped for various reasons.

And I mean, we know The Plaques don't tell the full history of a race.

Is Null really the First Traveller? Or only the first discovered?

Nah, he is the first, that doesn't make any sense.

But that meant Null was around with more than 3 races.

[dusky kernel]

I'm definitely sure being in any empty galaxy that ends in a 2 and choosing empty at the end of the Artemis storyline is the most efficient jump possible, given that it lets you jump an entire 15 galaxies, compared to 11 selecting lush in lush galaxies ending in 9, and 13 after selecting harsh in harsh galaxies ending in 3

[solar cairn]

Is this for Dharan wulf?

[dusky kernel]

just additional thoughts

Just like how you can possibly make it from G12 Aptarkaba to G30 Sudzerbal after the Artemis jump and 3 additional core jumps, one can make it from G32 Sugueziume to G50 Teyaypilny, or to G70 Husalvangewi from G52 Ladgudiraf

I wish I didn't use my Artemis jump on my main save because I could've made it to a lush galaxy ending in 0 that wasn't Eissentam, but that was a long time ago so it's fine

[uncut harness]

The anomaly was created after Nada and polo's original universe was destroyed, only Nada made it out, polo died, then Nada found polo in the new universe after warping through the core before the galaxy was destroyed

[uncut harness]

It's their history from their perspective, showing how history is warped as it is in real life

[solar cairn]

We do know that both Nada And Polo aren't travellers, but what of the other iterations in the Anomaly?

[uncut harness]

I think they're travellers, but they're obviously different from the other travellers

Whether that was just a design choice to give them more character to distinguish them from the other travellers, or because they actually are different, I'm not sure

[uncut harness]

The aerons disconnected from the atlas of their own accord after the destruction of Korvax prime

[solar cairn]

Some places suggest a new and old sentinels, and that the Gek attacked the Korvax after the Sentinel Vykeen battle.

I have to read the lore more to really confirm if that's true

[uncut harness]

The sentinel pillar lore states that the sentinels slowly lost their connection with the atlas after the destruction of Korvax prime, and they are how they are today because they're scared of it happening again

[solar cairn]

Anyway, with the other travellers in the Anomaly, maybe slowly picked up after the discovery of Travellers? Or that Null knew of more than 3 races.

[uncut harness]

I believe they are similar to us

Nada and polo took them in because it is a haven for travellers

[solar cairn]

But, that still means travellers are a state of being, rather than a "race" as we know.

[uncut harness]

The anomaly is also much larger than the part we can walk in, there's a whole city beyond the landing area

There's likely thousands of travellers on board

[solar cairn]

And possibly more races or housing entire cultures, we only speak to ambassadors.

[uncut harness]

I don't think the NPCs are their own seperate races as such

[solar cairn]

They are all travellers, but distinct. We straight up can't speak what a few say (mainly just Mercury)

But, that makes travellers way too homogenous as its own race

[uncut harness]

They are a race, but not conventionally

They do not reproduce, they have a weird thing going on with death

They are created every time by the atlas

-{{THE TRAVELLERS}}- The ATLAS lives for millennia. It dreams world upon world, fantastic creatures of its own devising and skies in which they might soar. And then one day it starts to die, as all things do. In its fear, in its confusion, the ATLAS awakens. It attempts to summon its creator back into being. It wants to know what to do before the end. It wants to know why it was abandoned, why it has to face this moment alone. It wants to know why I left it behind. [Exist] The Travellers are born, spun from the corrupted memory of its creator. They are seeded to every universe, to become what the circumstances might make them. I see myself begin, the last of the Travellers...

Third extract from remembrance terminals

[solar cairn]

Ok. This still sounds like a state of existence than a race

[uncut harness]

It's easier to group them as a race when talking about them, but fair point

But I think that extract also means that travellers cannot be gek/korvax/V'ykeen

[solar cairn]

Specifically "...to become what the circumstances might make them."
We can theoretically be any traveller we choose through Iteration visages. As well as have many Space suit designs. Like a, progress of technology.

We know Travellers cannot die and we know they were created by ATLAS. We know Null was the first. And Telamon was expunged to be The Suit AI around the same time.

Null was able to capture and subdue an Aeron for their glyphs. Could this be from a time where they are more docile? But after technology expanded (this idea comes from the sacrifice needed for the ball of light helmet).
Probably not when sentinels were more calm all things considered

[uncut harness]

Well, travellers can die

They have a very strange relationship with death

[solar cairn]

They "die" but "reset"

[uncut harness]

Reset as a different iteration

But also not always

It's strange

Null died and came back as null

[solar cairn]

I'm referring back to the derelict freighter log.

[uncut harness]

We die and come back as ourselves

Artemis did not

[solar cairn]

Artemis also didn't die a "natural" death either

[uncut harness]

Is it known what killed them?

[solar cairn]

From releasing the soul render thing?

Because, I'm sure they died and came back as them before our events

They were stuck for a LONG time, wherever they were.

Not as important for the whole "what are travellers"though.
There are over 20 heads for travellers, and more helmets. These iteration heads could be holographic interpretations. But that means each one existed at some point. And that the travellers in the anomaly could also be doing the same thing.

[dire hatch]

Did Apollo really die, or was he reset at the end of ghost machine line?

[uncut harness]

All the head types available for travellers can be found on NPC travellers

[solar cairn]

Not the ones in the Anomaly.

[uncut harness]

Yes, those are seperate

I'm not sure whether that actually means they are seperate from traditional travellers though

[solar cairn]

Or if they come from a time before or not.

[uncut harness]

You mean artemis?

[dire hatch]

I thought it said Apollo suffered the same fate as Artemis only I wasn't there to save them

[uncut harness]

Time travel is definitely possible to an extent in nms, we see so many examples of it

[solar cairn]

Did you save Artemis by putting them in the Anomaly Simulation?

[dire hatch]

Yes

[solar cairn]

We can't go back, only forward. But can cross paths many times

[solar cairn]

That might be why. I chose to let Artemis die, and I didn't see that message. (Maybe that is the "good" choice?)

Though Fate doesn't necessarily mean death

[dire hatch]

True

[uncut harness]

I've done both options on different saves, don't remember anything about apollo dying

[solar cairn]

I don't recall Apollo dying

[dire hatch]

Well he got stuck in a portal or something iirc

[solar cairn]

Did he?

[uncut harness]

@dire hatch do you have the text for that?

It should be stored under collected knowledge in your catalogue

[dire hatch]

Oh I will check gimme

an hour

[uncut harness]

I'll need to reread the sentinel pillar and boundary failure lore to see if I can link everything chronologically

[solar cairn]

There is a chance for each Anomaly ambassador to come from a separate culture before their extinction in their simulation. We know the end of a simulation follows the same pattern of 3 end races

[uncut harness]

I haven't actually got the V'ykeen plaques yet

I'll work on them

[solar cairn]

Same. As well as abandon building logs (the null helmet of light can help with some pinpointing of time)

[uncut harness]

So you believe nada and polo rescued them from extinction?

[solar cairn]

It's possible? But there is nothing backing it

[uncut harness]

If they were seperate races, that would make them not travellers

And then there's the whole thing going on with ariadne that was never really finished

[solar cairn]

Would it?

[uncut harness]

Seeing as how travellers come into existence, they are on of their kind and have no relatives of sorts

No parents and no children

Which would make it impossible for them to have a race to come from

[solar cairn]

But can take the impression of the world around them

It's also possible for Travellers to have memory loss too.

[uncut harness]

They don't keep their memories from previous iterations for sure

And whether we speak to apollo, artemis and null all at the same time, or whether they are speaking from the past is also questionable

And does another iteration of traveller come after one dies?

Each time we die, we get a new iteration number

Are we still the same traveller after respawning?

We have to be, otherwise we would not be the last traveller

[solar cairn]

Is there only 1 traveller per simulation?

Or many?

If so, how do some NPCs remember us, even in a new Iteration?

Or being hired by our "sons"

[uncut harness]

@tight wadi
-{{16/16}}- The ATLAS witnesses the final sixteen minutes, simulating the future with perfect accuracy. The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other. [Ten minutes left] The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying. [Five minutes left] It witnesses its own self, the black hole ripping apart its world, its core systems almost destroyed. [One minute left] And as it watches the moments leading up to its own death, towards the completion of sixteen, something happens. Someone walks towards the ATLAS, a figure in the darkness and in the light. It places its hand against the glass of the ATLAS, and the vision ends. The ATLAS attempts to see past this moment, but it cannot. It cannot see its own death. It cannot determine who this figure is. But whatever happens... whatever may occur beyond the sixteen... something will arrive. Something will be there beside it. At the end of all things, it will no longer be alone.

[tight wadi]

Oh

Where is that? xD

Bc thats not in the in game dialogue lore

[uncut harness]

I believe one, but the boundaries are failing

[tight wadi]

As far as i know its only one traveller per simulation, but im clearly no lore expert

[uncut harness]

Remembrance terminal #4, very much in game text

[tight wadi]

I think its in some of the -null- dialogue

Huh

[solar cairn]

Remembrance terminals. Atlas trying to simulate itself simulating. Oh so fun

[meager tangle]

In response to that thing up there, Travellers could just be the atlas' distinction between players and npcs. I used to play a MUD called achaea that was all in character, NPCs were denizens where players were Adventures

[solar cairn]

Makes the time things even crazier

Ok gotta go

[uncut harness]

Travellers are the atlas' attempts at simulating it's creator to understand why it was abandoned

[meager tangle]

o:

[solar cairn]

Yep. Mindboggling stuff

[dire hatch]

This is the last mention of Apollo in my log, but man someone said that to me be it nada maybe or could've have been myself but anyways

[tepid vortex]

ok. the story is pretty dark

[tame grotto]

It definitely got me teary eyed. Ngl.

[tepid vortex]

why is this game sliding so much philosophy in lately?

[solar cairn]

Lately?

NMS is like a drug laced with philosophy

It's allllll in it

[uncut harness]

The lore makes you stop and think

[glass halo]

Greetings, is there anyone who managed to finish their entire Collected Knowledge entries (543/543)? I'm at 533/543 and don't know where to go from there. Is the Remembrance Terminal Data supposed to show up in the catalogue too? How many Captain's Logs are there in total?

[uncut harness]

I believe there's 6 gek, 6 Korvax, 6 V'ykeen and 6 unaffiliated

Although possibly only 2 unaffiliated and 4 gek

[glass halo]

that's pretty much exactly where i am at right now 😄 when i found the sixth korvax entry i thought "ok, maybe there's a bunch more..." but i've been at it for a WHILE and am still at 2 unaffiliated and 4 gek

[uncut harness]

That's useful information

I have a friend with those same numbers, searching for the last 2 gek entries

You've finished all the race archives too?

There's 10 of each

[glass halo]

i got all the ones i found in the wiki and yes, i got 10 each archive

so as far as captain's logs are concerned i guess i have to keep going until i find at least one more vykeen log for a total of 6... they're completely random right? no way to go for a specific type?

[uncut harness]

I believe they're random, yes

[glass halo]

greeeeeaaat 😅

what about the remembrance lore though? i did that a long time ago and the terminals won't spit out anything else... maybe i am SOL there? or are they "hidden" somewhere?

[uncut harness]

You've done all the sentinel pillars, abandoned buildings, graves, boundary failures too?

[uncut harness]

There's 4 remembrance terminal logs, none of them are stored in the log

[glass halo]

interesting... that's kind of a relief, but also a bummer, because i have no idea what else might be missing... but thank you! 🥰

[uncut harness]

Done all the race plaques and monoliths?

[glass halo]

i'd say yes, but i guess i have to meticulously count them... if there even is a comprehensive list i can compare my entries to.

i haven't done any expeditions except utopia... that might be a problem

[uncut harness]

They aren't stored

[glass halo]

hmm

🤔

[uncut harness]

An easier method might be to visit each one

[glass halo]

will do! 👍

[uncut harness]

For instance, plaques, sentinel pillars and boundary failures will spit out a message that says you've finished them

Same with plaques

But archives and monoliths won't

[glass halo]

i've done a ton of monoliths while finishing the atlas language, but i will try some plaques/monoliths of each race again

[glass halo]

small update: i have ONE wormskin folio and the corresponding lore entry. i guess i need to keep grinding those in order to find the remaing 4 items/entries...

[glass halo]

folio 2-5 are quest-rewards it seems and won't drop randomly. :/ so there IS expedition only stuff that will keep you from completing your catalogue. 😭

[vagrant bane]

I have to decide artemis’ fate, does it matter what I pick?

[supple basalt]

@latent ingot

hey

i don’t mind spoilers i just wanna get done with the story and explore

[latent ingot]

It's more for others that are new

[supple basalt]

ah, ic

[latent ingot]

So ok, you don't actually go to the center

[supple basalt]

oh

that’s a relief

[latent ingot]

If your mission shown is The Purge

[supple basalt]

bad part is i don’t really remember which mission i’m on

it’s been a while

[latent ingot]

You'll need to warp 16 times. Each time giving you a glyph if you don't have them all already

[supple basalt]

but it’s either black hole or galaxy center

[supple basalt]

glyphs are the teleport thing ys right

like the coordinates

[latent ingot]

Portals yes, and can take you anywhere in a galaxy you need to go

[supple basalt]

oh that’s awesome

[latent ingot]

Very handy when hunting for ships/multitools people find and post

[supple basalt]

so what about that black hole quest

cause i’m pretty sure it’s the one i have

something with artemis im@not too sure

[latent ingot]

Let me pull up the storyline details

[supple basalt]

alright

[latent ingot]

That may be a part of the Atlas Path, I'd have to know the log entry to know for sure. The Storyline is all of the Artemis stuff and can be done without bothering with the Atlas portion - can always wrap that up later

[supple basalt]

okay, i appreciate the help! :D

[latent ingot]

And the Storyline is what sends you to the Center and gives you the glyphs

[supple basalt]

well i’d definitely want that

so i’ll continue the story

[latent ingot]

Yeah, when you get near the end of The Purge you'll probably have more questions so feel free to ask

[uncut harness]

if i remember correctly about the lore the atlas is basically an old computer whos hardware is starting to die yea?

[uncut harness]

They are a very powerful computer, but they were abandoned by their creator because it had become obsolete, and are dying because the planet they are on is falling into a black hole

[solar cairn]

"Old" is relative. But yes.

[uncut harness]

falling into a black hole, thats pretty random

[uncut harness]

where does that part of the lore come from?

[uncut harness]

remembrance terminals

[uncut harness]

each to their own, but the lore is amazing

[mental socket]

Yeah. Main story is kinda average with some big twists. The lore and side stories are the main course

[final wyvern]

I like it, it’s really meta

[solar cairn]

The lore has many mirrors with what we deal with everyday

[icy citrus]

Kinda doubt it, interiors aren't right and the docking bay doesn't line up with a lot of them

People using them now experience crashing and hanging and frame drops etc etc

[violet magnet]

||if it is within the meta of the game that we can be revived into new iterations, why is Artemis not revived in a similar way?||

[solar cairn]

So @meager tangle what exactly are "nanites"?

[solar cairn]

Artemis didn't die a conventional death, or in some games. Didn't die at all

[violet magnet]

Oh

[solar cairn]

It's not really well explained how some Iterations change over the resets, or for how long they retain an identity

[uncut harness]

Don't worry about spoiler tags in this channel

[violet magnet]

Thanks, now imma get outta here before I spoil more than that answer for myself, I just got past their "revival" in the anomaly machine

[solar cairn]

No problem

[supple basalt]

ahh, i don’t know if i should let artemis die or upload them, does it change the story, it seems like it would

[meager tangle]

I think nanites are probably the one thing from 'reality' used in the simulation to make changes to code, that the sentinels figured this out during the 52s and repurpased some of them to make a glass storage archive they drag code into.
For the sake of clarification I'm assuming nanites are the name of a machine the size of their namesake that we Sci fi about irl

[solar cairn]

It could change some dialogue

[solar cairn]

The same thing that is the blood of the Korvax?

[meager tangle]

I think they use the same word and have a coded substance similar, but the nanites the atlas uses are probably different from the ones it gave to the beings most like itself

It's simulating, so I think it's assuming living sentient machines would have to run under the same anatomy as itself

Thus filling them with nanites that served a similar function

Naturally this is just headcanon, there's plenty of lore but it's all pretty open to interpretation

[glass flare]

nanites are basically just the NMS version of "nanomachines".... magical handwaving

[analog breach]

And Sean is Armstrong. Nanomachines son 😂

[feral mulch]

What happens to Artemis, Apollo, and -null- when the story is over? Can you still talk to them? See them as NPCs in the hub? I miss them, guys.

[solar cairn]

You can only really talk to Artemis if you put them in the Anomaly simulation

No way to contact Null or Apollo unfortunately

[feral mulch]

I did do that

[solar cairn]

Yeah, so you can go back to them

I didn't. I let Arty die

[feral mulch]

Null is such a rat bastard but I love him tbh

[solar cairn]

Kinda insufferable. But is what it is

[feral mulch]

Oh absolutely and I love him for it

[solar cairn]

You got that

I didn't really feel attached to any character in NMS

With Artemis, I let her die because I'd be VERY upset if I was stuck in some simulation... Jokes on me

[feral mulch]

I got really attached to all three, but I get attached super easily

[late tusk]

so im watching a video. and some one found new space stations in the files

[icy citrus]

Yes

[mental socket]

Could come in the next update, could come later this year or never. Who knows

They're way too detailed to be left in the files though. So much work from 3D, texture and VFX artists has been put in them

[eternal radish]

You cannot do that after the story is over, though

[solar cairn]

And it's the same lines repeated

[eternal radish]

"an entire universe can't hear you" or something like that

[solar cairn]

You saved Artemis?

[eternal radish]

Yes

I also do lol

[solar cairn]

I didn't, so I just get nothing

[eternal radish]

I wonder why I could talk to Artemis in the simulation during the story but that "they can't hear me" after the story has been completed

Because "a universe can't hear me"

[proud flower]

Can i talk about lore here

Because i have a question

[solar cairn]

Yep, lore goes here tag free

[proud flower]

after reseting the simulation, are apolo and artemis still alive? Do they start again from nothing without memories, just like the main characters?

[solar cairn]

Artemis would be put in a simulation depending on your choices.

There isn't really confirmation of Apollo after the simulation reset.

Artemis does seem to remember you even after simulation reset, in the simulation, while Polo and Nada dont

[eternal radish]

Can you actually talk to Artemis after the story is over???

[solar cairn]

I have no idea, I've been asking users who saved them to check

[eternal radish]

I only know that Artemis contacts you throughout the rest of the story after putting them in the simulation and that they call you one last time before you reset the universe.

[solar cairn]

Oh. Huh

[merry estuary]

I let artemis "die", but on another save where I didnt it does seem like they dont contact you anymore after the reset

[small geode]

I’m starting to think maybe devil emoji is tied to this unreleased helmet

[rough depot]

that helmet has been sitting around for 6 months now its about damn time they let us unlock it

also have there been any other datamines lately or just the space station stuff

[small geode]

Just station I think and from sounds of it prob not fully ready probably be for June, im thinking this helmet and a new backpack perhaps, couple base items

Def not a pet we just had one

[rough depot]

probably another expedition and random other smaller changes idk

[small geode]

W it being so soon after fractal def something on a smaller scale

[rough depot]

theyre slowing down on new content so im hoping we get integrated modding support some day

[glass flare]

i don't think they're slowing down on new content, I think they've just been preparing some big things and released some QoL stuff to tide us over

[wet copper]

Question: Korvax, Gek, Vykeen, Anomaly and Traveler are the only known races?

I mean...what are the owl head dudes?

Or even Helios

I was reading a log ingame of an incident that talked about the collapse of the alliances and it specifically referenced the gek, korvax and vykeen but implied they were none of the above....and they talked about the travelers as outsiders

A council had been formed to try and address the appearance of not just travelers but also these transdimensional beings in the anomaly (Nada and Polo)...it was too vague to garner much detail beyond base design

[glass flare]

I guess I assumed they were travelers as well, though because they exist outside of the normal simulation code, perhaps they were originally one of the races and did body hacks to change themselves

[dense quartz]

I'd much rather we get to override the station core after almost 2 years

[vestal barn]

💯 💯 👌

[feral mulch]

I hope so. I love this game too much to just let it go. I've wanted to play it since it first came out but only recently was I able to get a system that can run it

[dense quartz]

I don't understand why people think NMS is slowing down or why it's on "life support by a skeleton crew"
Sean said they have big plans for the game, it's not going anywhere anytime soon etc.. but I guess 2 QoL updates in a row is all it takes for people to think the game is dead?

[mental socket]

people are inpatient

[analog breach]

Some simple things still didint made into the game like undo button when building after all those years. Im not suprised that pepole are becoming inpatient.

[mild scarab]

i'm sure they're preparing the foundation for some big changes

[dense quartz]

Yeah same

Though all the QoL stuff in Fractal felt like it was meant to be with Waypoint's release but got held up, a number of stuff from Fractal just felt like "Waypoint part 2" stuff

[mild scarab]

they're kinda polishing the old features before adding new ones

this is often overlooked by other devs and it leads to half baked content stacked on top of more half baked content (like ark survival evolved for example)

it's one of my favorite games but my god is wildcard incompetent

[fervent cloud]

kinda, the water is a easy fix and is still horrible

[dense quartz]

Yeah, I'm just thankful that they stopped adding foundational random stuff and focused much more on adding depth to old existing content now.
(With the exception for squadrons, holy hell is that an undercooked feature..)

[fervent cloud]

Well, i use mods for squadrons

They work amazing

Tighter formation, 25x damage, all s class using the utopia ships

[dense quartz]

🤔

The thing that bothers me with squadrons more than anything is that they show up when you don't ask, they leave when you don't ask, and they can't even keep up with you outside of combat

I don't understand why it's automated like that and why I can't just have them show up and leave specifically when I tell them to.

[fervent cloud]

Yeah they are kinda dumb

[gloomy isle]

Anyone downloading the update on PlayStation?

[sand karma]

I'm also patiently waiting for the deetz here 😁

[acoustic dew]

👁️

[cold crag]

le dot

[edgy nimbus]

[sand karma]

👀

[acoustic dew]

Waiting for someone to post the update splash haha

[sand karma]

Same. As per usual eternal glory to the first person who does that.

[latent heath]

👀

[viral geyser]

What version is the update?

[mental socket]

gib gib

[wind panther]

4.2

[mental socket]

4.2

[latent heath]

4.20

[spark ice]

420

[mental socket]

😅

[viral geyser]

What's the current version?

[spark ice]

420

[latent heath]

Dunno

[rancid flax]

4.15

[spark ice]

Technically that's the previous version

[uncut harness]

No discount anywhere, interesting

[wind panther]

I thought the consoles and gog were all discounted

just not Steam

[dreamy forge]

yep

[long barn]

@sand karma this it?

[sand karma]

Yes, perfect, thank you! 😁

[uncut harness]

Oh

[mighty rampart]

damn its real

[viral geyser]

YOOOO

LETS GO

[elfin abyss]

yay... more combat...

[uncut harness]

Jesus!

[viral geyser]

AN ACTUAL CONTENT UODATE

[uncut harness]

Sick

[dreamy forge]

Sentinel interceptor 😮

[acoustic dew]

Wow!

[viral geyser]

NEW WORLD TYPE TOO

[gloomy isle]

Sounds cool af

[viral geyser]

WAIT

DUNGEONS?

[latent heath]

WHAT

[viral geyser]

"ABONDED CAMPS"

[wind panther]

Finally using the sentinel ship

[mental socket]

Heckle heck

[mild scarab]

HOLY SHIT

YES

CONTENT

[wind panther]

Assuming it's the same one

[mild scarab]

ACTUAL CONTENT

[viral geyser]

ME WHEN CONTENT

[latent heath]

Complain all u want the combat in this game is extremely onedimentional on player side

[next lagoon]

New world type fuck yes

[mild scarab]

[gloomy isle]

Pretty cool that the planets seem to have their own poi's and everything

[mighty rampart]

so the 😈 is just a reference to corruption, interesting

[latent heath]

Still

Still

[elfin abyss]

Most people don't give a rat's ass about combat in this game

[gloomy isle]

I wonder if it'll start building up the Abyss

[latent heath]

Never heard of devil temptation

[viral geyser]

Because it's not fleshed out

[sand karma]

Sounds pretty rad tbh

[mental socket]

I wonder if the sentinel multitools are these?

[mighty rampart]

I dont, but this seems more than just combat related, I see there's some exploration and mystery content to it

[elfin abyss]

because it's a game about exploration lol

[latent heath]

And combat

And survival

[long barn]

@mental socket hope so, I want one

[latent heath]

It kinda has 4 pillars

[viral geyser]

Combat/survival/exploration were the main pillars

[sand karma]

Now we have to reverse engineer how 👿 is Interceptors, lol

[icy citrus]

And Trading

4

[latent heath]

Waitin for patch notes

[viral geyser]

I wonder about the leaked space station tho