#project-skyscraper

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mental saddle
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"oh yea actually this password you tried is right, i decided"

brazen prawn
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It's real

compact python
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Real time evolving story 😂

brazen prawn
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There is a hash on the other end

rose dust
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But yea they've gotta be looking at our attempts and scratching their heads at the things we've been trying lol

turbid eagle
brazen prawn
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wp_posts.post_password

mental saddle
rose dust
turbid eagle
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speaking of quantum

sometimes this memory fragment image reminds me of the double-slit experiment, with the waveform interference pattern, strong in the middle, tapering off on either side

steady niche
mental saddle
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do we have any reason behind the may 25th log linking to itself?

rose dust
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That one's a bit of a one-off or unresolved end atp, if it's even meant to be anything other than eye candy

turbid eagle
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that and I think hypertext on this WP instance is specifically styled to glitch, so they may have needed to make the lines into a link to give them the glitch appearance they wanted

copper harbor
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It's 9 a.m. and a Frenchman is taking over the investigation, even on a Sunday. I say fake news.😅 Have a good day everyone

rose dust
turbid eagle
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although I don't see why they couldn't have just done a span tag, but who knows

brazen prawn
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Having a thought (or an aneurism)

mental saddle
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have y'all seen this page yet?

rose dust
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Normal links don't have the permutation glitchiness

rose dust
turbid eagle
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and various other places

steady niche
mental saddle
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is there anything we can do with the ?p=### scheme?

steady niche
rose dust
mental saddle
rose dust
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Oh speaking of, is the password page's author set to the system or the architect? I know WP Pages don't show up under the author tag pages.

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Ok, just checked, it's the architect

turbid eagle
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that's actually really helpful to know imo

brazen prawn
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Might be onto something with "reconstruction" which is either helpful, or just a fun art project

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@harsh vapor split colors, roll magenta +3r and blue +1r (block context), replace vacated 'bits' with green and observe over the microwaved

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It's not exactly the desired outputs, but there is an observable correlation

harsh vapor
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wdym by roll magenta +3r

brazen prawn
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wrap shift + 3 to the right

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Might not be a full vacate (observable diffs)

rose dust
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Quick question, how did we get the Hyperion password for WT? Was it immediately solvable using the hints up to that point, or did we have to wait for another clue?

brazen prawn
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The spaces more or less match (with the B-> R<- shearing) but the only one that is way off is green/cyan (4 vs 230 in blue makes transform weird)

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The full vacate is definitely not the solution (so observe without it too)

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Just two things to think about

steady niche
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I do think shifting color channels is important, either with stuff that exists now or things in the future

brazen prawn
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I'm not sure it's anything more than an interesting observation at present

brazen prawn
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Actually yeah, vacate isn't it

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I think it's a near zero near full flip on cyan

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Same way magenta aberrates to r/b

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Vacated bits may just be void or requiring another fill

rose dust
steady niche
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I think accounts existing before the first thing we found were likely just them setting up to be prepared

harsh vapor
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But just move the R channel +3

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and B channel +1

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the green comes from separating the blue from the cyan

brazen prawn
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Yeah

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100% sure about that now

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its just low->high flip

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Hm

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Thanks, needed a second set of eyes to check for insanity

harsh vapor
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For sure, it should be pretty easy to do in reverse I'd imagine

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not that it would be that insightful, there is a ton of extra noise

brazen prawn
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Yeah not sure of the significance beyond an art project or a final "yeah it is shhh" statement lol

harsh vapor
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But that seems to be the primary way the image is distorted

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That explains where the extra red in the reddit image comes from tho I was wondering about that

brazen prawn
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Yeah, same

harsh vapor
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and green for that matter

jagged sonnetBOT
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@brazen prawn

No gifs in this channel please

steady niche
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Bad vector!

mental saddle
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I wonder if we could get them to change it, no reason really to not have gifs

brazen prawn
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Oh yeah, stupid robot

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There kinda needs to be exceptions :\

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sec

harsh vapor
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My really quick shitty reversal attempt, as expected not much, but overlaying the two images there is no debate that it is the same image

brazen prawn
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Yeah, debate over

mental saddle
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think you could make the loop cycle last a little longer?

steady niche
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I'm getting a headache 😄

mental saddle
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same

brazen prawn
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Imagine my eyes

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Will post on the forum to end the loop on that convo.

steady niche
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So we're losing data on the right in the original image?

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And the original seems to be the distorted version of the newer image?

copper harbor
compact python
harsh vapor
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Yeah that last column wraps around

steady niche
ember wyvern
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So it’s just the undistorted version of the old image?

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Is that what we’re saying?

brazen prawn
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Probably inverse of that but yeah

ember wyvern
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Huh.

brazen prawn
ember wyvern
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Maybe the distortion is the code? Idk

steady niche
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Might just be size and I'm missing it

brazen prawn
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Not sure what you mean

steady niche
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Magenta on the right but not on the left

mental saddle
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y'know to try and reverse engineer it, how do we think the PM generated this?

brazen prawn
harsh vapor
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Whatever they did is a pretty lossy operation, so it's not gonna be perfect, but I think its 90% there

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I think the red is getting split and torn out of the magenta a bit in the image

brazen prawn
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Yeah it is, there are overwrites from the channel aberrations

harsh vapor
# mental saddle y'know to try and reverse engineer it, how do we think the PM generated this?

that's what vector was talking about above, but essentially the original image, the channels were separated, the red channel was moved right by about 3 "binary blocks" (while wrapping around), and blue channel was moved right by 1 block, and the green channel stays, then load that image on your phone and toss it in the microwave for 15-20 seconds and I think we get the reddit image

compact python
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Pixels and the blue/cyan reminds me the water puzzle from resident evil3

steady niche
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That's similar to what was done on earlier images

mental saddle
brazen prawn
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It's thematic

steady niche
harsh vapor
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That is the question, is it random noise, is it meaningful, to be determined

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I'm leaning towards random noise at this point

brazen prawn
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Same, but we'll see down the line

harsh vapor
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or at least, we don't have enough information to make anything of the noise

steady niche
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We need to start thinking of memorable graphics for when we have merch made later 😉

compact python
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What was the code on AP V4? That was same on every one?

brazen prawn
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Alright, time to spin some dough - be back later

rose dust
brazen prawn
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@rose dust if leaving password comments, where would you rather then? Header?

rose dust
brazen prawn
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The Mrs. has been recruited and is looking through to add stuff now 😂

copper harbor
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Quick question: we agree that we have a classic alphabet encryption key in the photo with the book; have you tried each password used with its decoded equivalent?

rose dust
copper harbor
steady niche
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Summer game fest is late this week, fyi

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I don't think it matters, but if HG ever announces anything, I'd put money on a Geoff production

open spoke
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I am far behind. Are we trying to figure out the password?

steady niche
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Also, why are we here? Like really?

mental saddle
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?

compact python
mental saddle
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last thing you see before losing your permadeath save:

rose dust
steady niche
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That's the password

mental saddle
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nuh uh

compact python
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maybe try in hex SeanBomination

rose dust
# steady niche That's the password

Oh absolutely. We're being funneled towards accessing and doing something with the Memory Engine (to the point of updating our Auth level), so the password's probably something related to that.

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And the sec log talking about giving us access also links to trace via the image

compact python
open spoke
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So do we at least know if this is an official hello games thing or some fan made BS?

compact python
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To well made for it to be BS even if fan made

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Cant stop thinking about timestamp bc of the 10 columns.

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Or maybe message is streached between them.

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So The shadow is error in binary

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Except bottom left corner

copper harbor
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A QR code hidden in the grids, perhaps?

brazen prawn
compact python
brazen prawn
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It is the QSRSV block

rose dust
brazen prawn
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They're from doing some bit shifting stuff with values

rose dust
brazen prawn
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Nope, they can probably get removed honestly, there's like 40 odd others I am running through atm and they won't be it 99%

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Stuff like:

No shift column totals (content sub-blocks per column):
  col0=116  col1=197  col2=228  col3=247  col4=275
  col5=309  col6=276  col7=218  col8=169  col9=102

Method A: col total % 10               -> 6787596892
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But valid outputs only

rose dust
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Ah gotcha, I was running down a train of thought that worked off those being a part of the actual image and was wondering we got those from

rose dust
brazen prawn
rose dust
brazen prawn
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Kinda depends on how the person thinks about the decode, but yeah I think so

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Yeah sorry thought you were asking about the sheet as it was after I was signaling you on it lol, should have used my eyes

dark marsh
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On May 12, 2002, poor maintenance led to the
tragic collapse of the roof of the MIK 112
building at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. The
disaster claimed the lives of eight workers and
completely destroyed the Buran 1.01 space
shuttle and the Energia rocket on which it was
resting.

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Putting that date with skyscraper

steady niche
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Not really seeing a connection

dark marsh
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It was just to say an event that happened on that day, it's always about space

merry onyx
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This is way to big brain for me 😭

dark marsh
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And then this post came out a week ago

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Have you analyzed all the dates on the site?

compact python
rose dust
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Well the architect's up, was online on ETARC ~ 40 mins ago

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Let's see if we get anything rn

dark marsh
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Birds wake up in June

brazen prawn
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I want that on a shirt

brazen prawn
dark marsh
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@brazen prawn I try to understand the sentence on the site

clear surge
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The /Quote page?

compact python
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Where is the sentence?

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Oh quote?

dark marsh
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That of April 13 2005.I made my own summary

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Or they die in June, in any case there is

compact python
dark marsh
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A single mind

clear surge
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Korvax convergence? 🤔

dark marsh
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A new universe or simulation

harsh vapor
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@brazen prawn have you tried running the reverse corruption on the fragment image?

brazen prawn
harsh vapor
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I’ll try it once I get home! I doubt it will come up with anything but curious if there is something that’ll show up

brazen prawn
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I'm curious too

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Current order (base up): Carrier(+Grey) -> Blue -> Cyan -> Green -> Magenta for closest visual match (not much of a delta shift in range vs connection image)

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It's still not without anomalies though

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It kind of suggests to me that the different quants/palettes are suppsed to be considered unique

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The microwaved one shows a clearly aberrated split at the same position resulting in signs of magenta and cyan in the same space

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"Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it."

agile edge
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So the idea might be that we've been given a corrupted fragment again, right, with all the error blocks in the back except the QSRSV one and the ERR R one. Are these somehow keys to determine how to remove the errors from the image and get us more of the color blocks instead?

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The problem would be though how to translate all the error pixels into different colors when they should all decode the same in theory.

brazen prawn
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It doesn't seem likely to me, given how sparse the bitplane is without a significant transform

cyan kraken
agile edge
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It's to the right of the QSRSV one. It's got a missing black pixel.

cyan kraken
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maybe something in latin?

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because da vinci themed stuff could just means QSRV stands for something in latin

brazen prawn
agile edge
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Ooh that's interesting, there's more

brazen prawn
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Decode value of 'corrupt' blocks is a matter of perspective, but you get the idea

cyan kraken
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the ERR.R and E.ROR

brazen prawn
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There are some extra decodes and extractions

cyan kraken
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maybe something to do with the missing letters then?

turbid eagle
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the letters aren't really missing, they're just exotic characters

brazen prawn
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@harsh vapor trying to think of a sensible way to explain, but downscaling the carrier to 10x10 bit size and then applying to the 800x500 chunks at same bit size results in no significance as well

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Just in case that was on your cards too

torpid linden
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(sorry wrong link. Correcting it)

rose dust
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Doesn't reveal anything about the password

vast stump
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Good morning, scrapers of the sky

turbid eagle
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a scraper in the cloud

covert temple
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scrapers in the machine

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they who scraped

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in stellar scrape-itudes

compact python
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Do skyscrapers dream about electric sheep ?

turbid eagle
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not the way i use 'em

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wait no

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@brazen prawn cracks me up how we went to all the trouble to decode "ERROR" from the image when the log simply says "ERROR"

But that's an interesting clue as to how memory fragments are read.

Also, are we the memory reconstruction engine? 😅 (oh no)

rose dust
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Oop, architect's up again

turbid eagle
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"they still haven't figured it out? it's right there!"

brazen prawn
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Most of the permute work is done just to show it isn't the answer. That way while python spits out lunatic stuff, I can think (like the reconstruction)

turbid eagle
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dang

dark marsh
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Maybe we'll be given no man's as it was before the release

turbid eagle
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pre-flood No Man's Sky

dark marsh
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It would be nice to see what it could do with active superformulas

rain verge
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Thinking about this as a memory fragment does make me feel better. I wonder if we'll get more fragments which can be put together to make a whole memory.

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Or memory bloc

brazen prawn
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This is my hope

rose dust
dark marsh
rose dust
rain verge
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But how do we unlock it then?! haha

brazen prawn
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I am hoping this is our format calibration, and the following frags will be more useful with the known format

rose dust
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Anywho, this is not a conversation for this channel

rose dust
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With the main page showing the x/365 count now though, I feel like we might get more "methodical" puzzles soon

covert temple
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can anyone access the home page for skyscraper?

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The one that had the blue dots that converged into a ring a day or two ago

turbid eagle
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no, that's just the directory page now

covert temple
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that's odd

clear surge
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It should still be there as /neural-network-status

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Yep, it is

rose dust
brazen prawn
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Maybe if you make them purple and stand on your head you will understand the hidden code

compact python
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Meanwhile code is a midi notes that freq u scale down to number that represents letter in alphabet that u use 10 difrent math sequences on to make final password. It could not be more easyer .

harsh vapor
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I gotta email from someone…

brazen prawn
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Architect emailed me

harsh vapor
brazen prawn
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Yoooo

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Let's go

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Same email

harsh vapor
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Leonardo da Vinci was right.

We need the password. System won't let me enter the TOWER but you can access it.
I know you will be able to read this message. This is not a game.

For Your Eyes Only
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School code

brazen prawn
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Finally not ghosted anymore lmao

compact python
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Da vinci again huh

brazen prawn
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But alas it's bed time

harsh vapor
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Interestingly its in english

compact python
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So what is this mail about. To use the vinci code?

harsh vapor
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Idk but it definitely implies its solvable as of now

compact python
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YWVHK

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This stands out

turbid eagle
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HOLY SHIT

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I GOT THE PASSWORD

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it's just "EMILY"

rose dust
harsh vapor
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AYY

compact python
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I typed emily 🙁

turbid eagle
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all caps

covert temple
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New log

compact python
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So It was all caps .?

turbid eagle
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yes

covert temple
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i think it literally just appeared

compact python
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Lol

rose dust
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I TRIED Emily / emily already 😭

turbid eagle
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all caps?

rose dust
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aw cmon man

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nice catch though!

crystal kettle
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I typed Emily, but didn't try caps. Sweet!

covert temple
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the filtering platform is offline again?

harsh vapor
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Well done @turbid eagle

rain verge
clear surge
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Curious, how did you work that out, or was it just trying enough?

compact python
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I feel bambozled now

rose dust
turbid eagle
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I got it by offsetting the image binary by 1 square
The hint WAS the QSRSV block. That block was intended to be an offset block:

01000101 01001101 01001001 01001100 01011010

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translates to EMILZ (so i just switched the Z with Y)

compact python
rose dust
# covert temple

its hilarious that we figured it out as soon as the hint dropped lol

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So is the operator ID MB-A?

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Or just our usernames?

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I guess we can try anything haha

compact python
covert temple
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for a timestamp should we give it the normal date or Unix code

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i cant imagine it matters

rain verge
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Let's see what happens

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We are now 'External Operators'

compact python
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YAY

clear surge
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Hmm, so I'm thinking - we may need to identify a pattern to the log entries to work out the timestamps of the missing ones?

compact python
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Whatever that means

rain verge
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I'd imagine we're looking for one specific year if there are 365 of these we need to restore

rose dust
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Hmm, we might need 365 additions to get to the next point?

harsh vapor
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I feel like the obvious one is the fragment 1778433240

rose dust
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Injecting data from multiple sources increases the chances of anchoring is an instruction, but Risk of unstable memory anchoring increased is a warning?

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Which one are we supposed to heed lol

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Oh hey I had a reply too lol

iron crestBOT
rose dust
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Shit went from 0-100 so quick I didn't even realize I wasnt being ghosted 😅

harsh vapor
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Sent in this

vast stump
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i'm just gonna pretend i know what i'm doing

rose dust
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Sharing an ol' Korvax's wisdom!

harsh vapor
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probably should keep the links of the submission in case they update that specific submission

rose dust
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So, going off the email, we just accesed the TOWER?

clear surge
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Maybe if this is the WT Emily, we should be trying to inject/recover WT events?

rose dust
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so it might be tied to certain emails / passwords / phrases tied to WT puzzles more than events

rain verge
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Incredibly funny that the Architect has been watching us struggle for 24 hours and then as soon as they give us a clue someone figures it out immediately without even using the clue.

turbid eagle
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We may need to "anchor" all memories whose excel dates are off in the far future

vast stump
harsh vapor
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I just realized that we are trying to create new memory blocs and setting their value, not necessarily adding to ones we already have

turbid eagle
vast stump
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oh

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so like

harsh vapor
vast stump
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a really fuckin long time from now

rose dust
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not sure about unix timestamps tho

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wonder what vector's gonna think of the solution lol

turbid eagle
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Basically all sec-log posts are in the far future

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their excel timestamps don't match the Unix timestamp, not even by the year

iron crestBOT
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https://project-skyscraper.com/inbox/

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+Lf pwkyh hry wuohkyh.
rose dust
turbid eagle
compact python
rose dust
harsh vapor
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The door is open

turbid eagle
rose dust
vast stump
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528 years from now

harsh vapor
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I've replied to my email I've received with this (encoded w/ school code)

Understood.

The password has been obtained and memory bloc addition is available.

What memories should be prioritized?

Operator: pr1sm
rose dust
turbid eagle
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they may not be!
but I don't think it's a coincidence that all sleep logs pointed to the correct date, while sec-logs suddenly offset far into the future

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dang, I wish I could stick around but I have to go for a while

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good luck everyone!

spare rock
# rose dust Oh hey I had a reply too lol

Looks like:

FOR YOUR EYES ONLY I KNOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO READ THIS MESSAGE. THIS IS NOT A GAME. WE NEED THE PASSWORD. SYSTEM WON'T LET ME ENTER THE TOWER BUT YOU CAN ACCESS IT. LEONARDO DA VINCI WAS RIGHT.

Does this seem like the appropriate translation?

rose dust
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Definitely worth keeping track of yea, with all the time travel shenanigans

rose dust
hard spoke
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Is that a Caesar cipher ?

rose dust
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simple substitution cipher with key MINDFAGEBJRLHCVPQSKYUWOXTZ

spare rock
hard spoke
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The password being Emily is very interesting and pointed.

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I’m starting to feel that this is official

rose dust
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Oh interesting

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the form lets you pick a negative timestamp too

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or well, it has a slider that can overflow to it

rose dust
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What's interesting narratively though, is that EMILY was the password for accessing the TOWER, which seems to be the namesake of the ARG too?

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the ring-shaped /neural-network-status page is gonna be jarring to see almost empty tomorrow lol

compact python
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So what do we do now?

rose dust
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wait for our requests to be authorized most likely

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Im guessing that'll start happening around tomorrow's scheduled post

clear surge
rose dust
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Also, why's the Operator name obligatoire but the timestamp required? Are operators just assumed to be french? SeanBomination

hard spoke
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Lol

compact python
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Do we put anything in memory value box?

clear surge
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It's the content of the memory

harsh vapor
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I'm assuming we as a community will be creating the memories to introduce into the system

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I added one with a timestamp of the first WT broadcast

rose dust
# compact python Do we put anything in memory value box?

I'm pretty sure that's just supposed to be the title of the page, like When we were 17 or Sunday Morning, going off of how no/value is used in /Origin (which in hindsight makes me dropping the whole korvax quote kinda stupid 😅 ).
Its interesting that we cant add actual page content yet then

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I'm guessing we need a lot of people injecting memories going off the instructions. Might be a good time to get @wraith plume on board again like with the connections.

clear surge
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(Also, funny, this seems to be a WordPress contact form, so I guess they're going to have to manually review our submissions)

cyan kraken
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new things?

rose dust
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Also worth keeping the submission pages bookmarked, in case there are updates there before the actual process completes

rose dust
rose dust
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all caps

cyan kraken
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it was in the sheet

compact python
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Im kinda pissed that i didint try all caps. Idk why i fought caps dont matter

rose dust
rose dust
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Its in the middle of my sheet haha

compact python
rose dust
compact python
rose dust
cyan kraken
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the instructions on the page, that multiple sources increase the chance of anchoring

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thats.....interesting

clear surge
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Ahh, curious

hard spoke
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I miss Emily

copper harbor
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why emily ??

compact python
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WT things

half ibex
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I thought it was another puzzle... or not? I don't know, I just put in the architect's information and the two timestamps that I thought were necessary 🤣

rose dust
cyan kraken
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multiple sources could just mean that the more people submit it, it works better. or if we do it from multiple sources, it works better

half ibex
clear surge
rose dust
cyan kraken
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sorry of the stupid question, what does the bit offset mean, exactly? that the data bloc registers have corrupted bits, and the system tried to correct that but goofed?

thorn coyote
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Can someone help me understand the memory bloc value? The first one that says hello world says memory bloc 0/no value. And the password page is asking for an initial value? Thanks in advance

compact python
rose dust
rose dust
thorn coyote
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I'm just wondering if I wanted to see timestamp 1778433240 (one of the memory blocs) do I need to just post that in as well? That.. hmmm.

rose dust
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but bear in mind that we're all very new to this too (like, 30 ish mins or so?)

cyan kraken
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also, how did we get to EMILY from "the door is open"

rose dust
rose dust
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we got EMILY from the fragment image

compact python
cyan kraken
rose dust
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you can read down from there to figure the sequence of events out

thorn coyote
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We actually, and this upsets me, could have gotten there sooner too, because the architect only liked two post on the Atlas-65 forums and one was talking about Emily. Sigh I feel like a fool thinking it was about moving the image to the bloc.

covert temple
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so have we figured out the request memory timestamp thing

rose dust
clear surge
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Not exactly, no.

cyan kraken
clear surge
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Yeah, we had the architect's email address

copper harbor
rose dust
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yep, a bunch of us got replies this time.

cyan kraken
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goddamn

rose dust
covert temple
covert temple
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dunno what's gonna happen if anything

rose dust
cyan kraken
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that would mean we have to submit the "correct" memory bloc, likely to replace the corrupt one

rose dust
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If its the later, someone try submitting No Man's Sky - Version 6.5 / 7.0 / 2026 Anniversary Update Patch Notes lol

rose dust
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i feel like we're addiing on data specifically, not necessarily replacing old ones

cyan kraken
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but if there's a bit offset, won't that count as an addition? or am i goofing my terms

rose dust
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Because we dont have unstable memory blocs anymore.

compact python
rose dust
cyan kraken
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yeah

rose dust
thorn coyote
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It just doesn't make sense to me that the block value is the same as the time stamp.

cyan kraken
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it could, since they're using timestamps to track the data entries

rose dust
clear surge
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The bloc value is the contents of the memory bloc, not the timestamp

cyan kraken
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addition means that we have to input data. here, that means we have to submit....memories?

thorn coyote
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Right, however, the first memory block literally states it has a value of 0. Which separates it from its Unix epoch @clear surge can you elaborate please?

rose dust
cyan kraken
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i think initial memory value is the post title. like sunday morning

clear surge
covert temple
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what if we're rebuilding Emily by inputting our experiences on the game, hence, the experiences of being human

thorn coyote
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Fair enough, there is a clear distinction between no value and 0.

copper harbor
covert temple
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and before you ask, yes I have resurrected Aristotle and locked his consciousness within an AI

rose dust
cyan kraken
covert temple
rose dust
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So the video link about hal probably wasnt a hint for the puzzle, but maybe moreso an explainer for what the system is / doing?

covert temple
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Instead of manually training an AI over decades you take a risk and expediate it by "cramming" memories

covert temple
clear surge
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I suspect we have to feed it the right memories, and it won't just take any (otherwise it'd be quite insane)

cyan kraken
covert temple
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not necessarily NMS the game

rose dust
clear surge
thorn coyote
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So for memory bloc 1778433240 the initial memory value would also be 1778433240?

cyan kraken
covert temple
rose dust
covert temple
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Though I'm having trouble reconciling the rogue AI theory with the apparent "rebuilding Emily" theory

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Unless they have contained a fractured, "comatose" (now waking?) AI that's not all there

cyan kraken
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one more thing, the memory engine is deprecated. that means at some point we will hav to input a lot more data for reconstruction

rose dust
# cyan kraken that would imply tower is a sub-routine active inside the system

Oh wait! TOWER was connected to System when the historical_DB couldnt be reached (the system's memories couldnt be accessed?), after which The Architect mentioned that it needed a password. So TOWER seems to be an external system used to add memories which is now being used to restore the system's memories by literally having us create them, at least in terms of their place in time and their "Titles"

thorn coyote
cyan kraken
covert temple
rose dust
cyan kraken
clear surge
# covert temple Though I'm having trouble reconciling the rogue AI theory with the apparent "reb...

OK, so, tinfoil hat theory. ||We've had a hint about shadowcheck-1912, which I think points to Carl Jung's theory of Shadow personality traits and archetypes. I think our AI's personality has been split, and The Architect is one of those archetypes (the creator). By rebuilding the memories, we help them become whole. To strengthen this link, we also had a video of Dr Chandra explaining HAL 9000's irreconciable dilemma causing the AI to go insane, and talk about deleting memories.||

rose dust
covert temple
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maybe Telamon-like figure? A sub-routine of the AI aiding it in its own reconstruction?

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Or maybe we have it backwards, the Architect is the subroutine and Ghost is the "main" AI

rose dust
clear surge
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There's a reason I prefixed it with tinfoil hat!

cyan kraken
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ghost being another sub-routine does track with a fragmented emily. architect could be the memory storage thing, tower being the storage module, and ghost being another sub-routine

covert temple
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It'd be like looking through a mirror with another mirror behind you

rose dust
covert temple
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Two entities on the "outside' looking in, yet they're also the AI they're looking in on

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yet at the same time they're only fragments of it

thorn coyote
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I guess I'm not understanding how we're getting from the title (example: Sunday Morning) to it being the "Initial memory Value" and how would we know what the initial memory value would be for memories we are trying to add, especially if it needs to be specific ones.

clear surge
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Yeah, we have precious little, I'm just connecting threads and making myself a tapestry

covert temple
rose dust
rose dust
cyan kraken
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also, to send a mail, you translated the mail into french, and then into the cipher, right?

rose dust
covert temple
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My still-drydocked, half functional running theory in my brain rn is that Ghost (or ghost's organization, if they work for one) and The Architect either sought out or stumbled upon a mostly destroyed Emily, so it was pretty much a Rogue AI

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and they've got it under containment while they try to rebuild it

cyan kraken
covert temple
thorn coyote
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Ok that part makes absolute sense now. Thanks!!!

covert temple
rose dust
cyan kraken
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so it is french then cipher, right?

thorn coyote
rose dust
cyan kraken
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it just has to be ciphered, then. got it

rose dust
cyan kraken
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and one question we should try to figure out. why do these two not want us, ie, Operators, to now know that bad shit hath occured

rose dust
cyan kraken
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based on the inbox, it feels like this data breach isn't bad because its a breach, but bad because we can see it now

rose dust
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And the TOWER seems to be a replacement for the historical_DB by virtue of adding new memories

covert temple
rose dust
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Now I'm really curious what the twitch is gonna be used for

covert temple
rose dust
covert temple
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is this email new?

thorn coyote
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Does timezones matter? For the Epoch time? Should it be est where I am or utc?

rose dust
cyan kraken
rose dust
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That's what I've been using for my submissions

covert temple
thorn coyote
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Thank you. I'm going to submit the date I first started playing the game, right when it first came out of Xbox.

cyan kraken
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go for it

covert temple
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ive submitted the wrong shit like three times now lol i hope the architect doesnt get mad at me

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Im gonna submit some NMS memories when i can find the dates

rose dust
cyan kraken
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true

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but yeah, why hide from a machine you're tying to fix

rose dust
# covert temple well nothing's happening here

It was sent after we input the password, so Ghost is likely referring to the door to the TOWER (Memory Reconstruction Engine) being opened, since The Architect's direct email to Operators before this mentioned needing a password for the TOWER.

covert temple
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i see

compact python
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I submited few things

cyan kraken
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what exactly did we gain access to with the pasword, though? i mean, its not TOWER. from the looks of it, we're recompiling TOWER, but an unverified version. that could explain why they want to hide it from SYSTEM, but then why worry about the Operators, when they are the ones who're doing it?

compact python
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But nothing from nms. Bc i didint really payed attention. I dont think that first royal ship or freighter are that important.

ember wyvern
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What was the email ID again?

cyan kraken
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the one in the inbox only, i think

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like, the "leaked" inbox between architect and ghost

rose dust
# cyan kraken what exactly did we gain access to with the pasword, though? i mean, its not TOW...

I'm pretty sure we did access tower though, going by the architect's email before we cracked it:

Leonardo da Vinci was right.

We need the password. System won't let me enter the TOWER but you can access it.
I know you will be able to read this message. This is not a game.

For Your Eyes Only

Sounds like The Architect urging Ghost (and inadvertently us) to give em the password to enter the TOWER (which seems to be the memory reconstruction engine)

ember wyvern
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I’m just getting undeliverable now.

rose dust
cyan kraken
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like, each first letter is caps

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i doubt its just for importance

cyan kraken
rose dust
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Oh also, is reverse by line really necessary in the cipher?

rose dust
cyan kraken
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oh shi

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ok yeah that changes it

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a lot

astral badger
cyan kraken
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now we wonder what ol' leo was right about

rose dust
compact python
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One word standed out to me in the indie book on page 17.

rose dust
rose dust
compact python
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It was "Myriad"

cyan kraken
cyan kraken
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goddemn

hard spoke
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👀👀

rose dust
cyan kraken
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something most likely being memory reconstruction, if we go by the words on that page

rose dust
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Oh its definitely memory reconstruction via addition, but by something I meant we're not sure what memory reconstruction would achieve in the grand scheme of things.

cyan kraken
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but then we don't know what memories to add. we're kinda just acting like the middlemen here

rose dust
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I'm gonna go fetch my Day 1 PS4 NMS Screenshots tomorrow, in case they let us update our timestamps and add images / text.

cyan kraken
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lovely. can't recall what i had for dinner, and now i have to think stuff up for a fragmented AI

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i have all those on a drive, so, interesting. but i doubt we can go gung ho with the photos. best case, we destabalize the system again. worst case, we cause it to hallucinate

rose dust
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Im torn between the pages being autofilled by the neural network inside Project Skyscraper as it tries to reconstruct its own memories by autofilling based on whatever page titles we gave it, and the system letting us add more data after the initial verification finishes.

harsh vapor
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365 memories reconstructed seems a lot more feasible if they are community generated

cyan kraken
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if they're WT associated, might be a brick wall for a lot of us. i got NMS last year

rose dust
crystal kettle
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Is it possible, because of temporal mixup, that it is a future database wanting memories from the current expedition?

harsh vapor
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Architect really emailed us saying y'all need to stop overcomplicating it 😆

cyan kraken
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the swarm is technically a forgotten subroutine of the atlas

harsh vapor
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I can only imagine watching us almost getting it right away, and drifting further and further away

compact python
harsh vapor
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good documentation of all of waking titan

cyan kraken
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the swarm coming out to actively hunt is could just be the system getting corrupted and stepping it up, going for any anomaly associated stuff, which also includes the atlas towers

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i say corrupted, because as of now, swarm activity is only visible in dissonant systems

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its basically an autoimmune disease, at this point

compact python
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Imo world of glass is atlas archive. And things are leaking from there too dissonant systems. Atm we dont know much about swarm except it is hostile to us and atlas. I hope expedition last phase will bring some light on it..

thorn coyote
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Well y'all know more than us Xbox players about the swarm lol

covert temple
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yeah :(

rose dust
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So apparently people on ETARC tried EMILY earlier which didnt work? Doesnt make sense though, since we had the image a while ago. I highly doubt they'd forget to set the actual password till now.

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Could just be people misremembering what they input, but still weird

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Sent in the Apollo 11 Moon Landing under NASA since it allows for negative timestamps in case the system's looking for actual human memories too, and not just NMS / WT spam.

covert temple
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i'm holding off on sending any more timestamps until it becomes clear what works and what doesn't

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don't wanna flood the system with junk

compact python
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Tried puting those from bsky?

cyan kraken
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if anybody here can email, ask why the password changed

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to the architect

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but phrase it in an ARG-esque way

crystal kettle
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I sent an email to him

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Asked him if knows why the password changed

thorn coyote
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There's an email?

crystal kettle
thorn coyote
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And another question, is there a page or link to understanding the cypher? So that if I wanted to use it myself I could?

thorn coyote
torpid linden
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It should work by inverting the plaintext and cyphertext

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Hello should be Mhllw

rain verge
thorn coyote
rain verge
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I'm still curious how they decided who to email back. I still haven't received any emails from the_architect or system

solid mesa
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It's requesting a memory timestamp

rain verge
solid mesa
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yeah, I think so.

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I might have done caps though, not positive

rain verge
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GekSus I do not like that password box

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The Architect is actively* lurking ETARC again.

solid mesa
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It's too complicated for me to just now get into it.

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I'm not sure who the architect is, and at this point, I'm too afraid to ask

compact python
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Mysterious gide character of sorts

rain verge
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!ProjectSkyscraper

jagged sonnetBOT
rain verge
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The Architect liked another post on ETARC yesterday too: https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/emily-never-left-us/8949/19
Possibly just a hint at the EMILY password, but still relevant to monitor

dusky forge
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👀 That is my post. We were joking around about the new AI bot and were trying to make it believe it was Emily

hard spoke
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👀👀👀

cyan kraken
dusky forge
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I am beginning to wonder 🤔

covert temple
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about what

cyan kraken
covert temple
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i think their acc was formed like

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shortly before their post was sent and then silenced

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which was like

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mid may???

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not sure

dusky forge
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Yes. May 3. But that doesn't mean they weren't looking without an account which I am fairly certain can be done

cyan kraken
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it can, aye

covert temple
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i imagine it's pretty common bc ETARC does show up when you google stuff about NMS

dusky forge
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They could also have another account... Anything is possible

cyan kraken
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true

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but yeah, feels a bit off, the skyscraper website has been doing updates since march, but only made it visible in may

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could just be prep time for this

covert temple
thorn coyote
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For all we know, the Architect could be... Any...one...of...US!!! dun dun dun

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(sorry had too lol)

dusky forge
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👀 looking at you now

covert temple
cyan kraken
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people really getting in touch with the architect now

rain verge
cyan kraken
thorn coyote
covert temple
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☮️

crystal kettle
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Anyone see the new sec_log? Looks like memory reconstruction is blocked until we can quantify the "bit offset"

brazen prawn
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UTC+10 strike again 😅 - missed it all after the email lmao. Good work @turbid eagle 💪

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So, do we have a consensus for reconstruction/addition targets?

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Seems a few ideas floating about

rose dust
brazen prawn
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I love that the timestamp field has a NUD 😂

steady niche
brazen prawn
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The pain of the APAC strip

cyan kraken
brazen prawn
cyan kraken
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ohh

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ok yeah just gotta click that 1777085724 times

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but i do wonder what happens if we all spam in a single memory bloc

covert temple
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I think we destabilize a memory bloc

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if we do that

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no actually i misread

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idk wtf Anchoring is

brazen prawn
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I sent a reply email to the "stop overthinking it" email that we got FWIW, regarding memory consensus and time zone sync as a cheeky aside

brazen prawn
covert temple
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sure but

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what's that mean within the context of the memories

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locking them into place?

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making them a part of the machine?

rain verge
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My reading is that if enough of us operators add the same memory bloc it becomes anchored. I speculate that anchoring has to do with its temporal stability.

cyan kraken
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there's a term for this type of stuff

rain verge
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We haven't been given too many timestamps that were not in their proper order on the timeline, but we have been given a few, and only a couple of those are semi-current timestamps.

cyan kraken
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holy shit we're basically treating this the same way orcs treat tech in 40k

rain verge
covert temple
cyan kraken
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they probably get cold sweat seeing vector's name in any forum at this point

covert temple
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THEN HE GO FASTA

covert temple
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quick someone ask him when LNF comes out

brazen prawn
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Nah, I need to learn to downshift gears a little more and step through the process with care.

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I am treating it like sigint and not like a roleplaying game.

covert temple
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speaking of roleplaying, and hence story, does anyone know of a concise timeline on the ARG

brazen prawn
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So if we're thiking about targeting some memories collectively, what's the current thought process on that?

rain verge
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It's an ARG, it's both sigint and a roleplaying game. In all liklihood it'll ramp up and some puzzles will require pretty intricate cryptologic techniques.

covert temple
covert temple
cyan kraken
rain verge
covert temple
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no I mean like a timeline of the investigation

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and its contents

rain verge
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An unofficial project would have a much wider and less concrete end date and end conditions.

cyan kraken
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"sanctioned by HG", damn dude, we got a rouge PM out here

covert temple
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since this discord is so active it's not easy to track everything that goes through it

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and ETARC is nice but also kind of difficult

covert temple
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I'm leaning towards "we're not supposed to know"

rose dust
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I'll be adding the password / email / anchoring stuff in a few hours

covert temple
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i feel bad now

rose dust
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Also, would having a sheet to track responses / statuses for the submitted memories be useful?

covert temple
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i think so, yeah

rose dust
covert temple
steady niche
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My impression was more data added for a particular memory increases anchoring strength, not more people submitting the same thing

brazen prawn
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I wonder what the reconstruction engine that superseded this one is like 🤔

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Probably more rounded corners dogdotdds

rose dust
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If we were being asked to add text / images to a certain timestamp though that'd make perfect sense. I'm guessing that might be possible after the "initial" anchoring?

ember wyvern
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Is it just me that's getting an undeliverable error on the architect email id? ignore me being dumb.

rose dust
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I was able to reply to em after I got yesterday's email without problem

ember wyvern
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I realised my error. All good.

brazen prawn