#project-skyscraper

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compact python
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I tried to look up pgp word list but that is ded end i think

covert temple
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or however that elden ring line goes

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so I hear we've had a development on the quote page

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instability?

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whatever that means

cyan kraken
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could it be a red herring? drawing our attention to it?

rose dust
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One of em is now used on the quote page

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Which added a link that shows all of the pages with that tag

covert temple
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I see

clear surge
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I wonder ... if the date is numbers to use in conjunction with the poem, and not actually a date?

rose dust
rose dust
# rose dust Specifically, `unstable`

I have a feeling that the unverified tag will be used for logs issued by someone else, and unstable posts might be ones which are susceptible to change and should be monitored? (Much like quote in this case)

ember wyvern
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Words only in the poem on the page not in Sunday Morning:
invisible
lie
light
secrets
shadow
silence
trace
unseen
vanish
watches
wing

Words in both:
are
birds
blue
in
night
no
on
sky
that
the
they
where

untold willow
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Maybe the quote is a work of steganography?

compact python
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Not enough info

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It could be many things but we dont have anything to fit it into.

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So we shoot in the dark and pray 4 the best

ember wyvern
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Aight I'm gonna head out for the day. Keep exploring guys.

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There's very likely something to be solved on the quote page if anyone is interested in looking into it.
Two things I can suggest to explore:

  • the word diffs I've shared above between the page poem and the sunday morning poem
  • the diff between the posts on twitter vs blue sky ( based on the wording of the page poem)
covert temple
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I agree it sounds like looking into

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But idk what you'd do with those words once you have them

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Tweet them to the architect? Put them into the URL of the site?

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There's no obvious place to type a password in

rose dust
clear surge
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If we assume the image has something hidden stenographically, it may require a password to unlock

untold willow
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How about converting the quote to ASCII values (or something similar), could that be used in any way? For example, to get something out of the image or the spectrogram discussed here earlier?

ember wyvern
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Just dropping in to say Gothalion, one of the people retweeted by the twitter handle and a prominent NMS creator posted on twitter with a [REDACTED] message earlier today. 90% chance unrelated but worth noting.

clever condor
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I get being skeptical but 90%? Maybe more like 65%-70%

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I cant recall him tweeting cryptic stuff before especially with the sus timing of everything.

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He is obviously in contact with HG for whatever reason lol

ember wyvern
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The skepticism comes from multiple years of being disappointed by ARGs. It’s not for no reason. I’ll be fully on board at the first legitimate sign of life here.

clever condor
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I still find it weird with the Cursed Expedition I think that Sean teased the start of a ARG but we got nothing after.

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Everyone just assumed it ended with Worlds.

compact python
# untold willow How about converting the quote to ASCII values (or something similar), could tha...

invisible
69 6E 76 69 73 69 62 6C 65 0A
105 110 118 105 115 105 98 108 101
vanish
76 61 6E 69 73 68
118 97 110 105 115 104
silence
73 69 6C 65 6E 63 65
115 105 108 101 110 99 101
where
77 68 65 72 65
119 104 101 114 101
secrets
73 65 63 72 65 74 73
115 101 99 114 101 116 115
lie
6C 69 65
108 105 101
shadow
73 68 61 64 6F 77
115 83 104 97 100 111 119
trace
74 72 61 63 65
116 114 97 99 101
light
6C 69 67 68 74
108 105 103 104 116
unseen
75 6E 73 65 65 6E
117 110 115 101 101 110
watches
77 61 74 63 68 65 73
119 97 116 99 104 101 115
Hex and ascii values

rose dust
modest oxide
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The fact that nobody is taking the bait about Project Skycraper speaks volumes in and of itself I think.

clever condor
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It probably didn't fully start yet I wouldn't rely on content creators to say its a dud. Waking Titan took a second to take off at first to. Also maybe it was Singularity but it shows HG aren't afraid to start a new ARG. I still am about 60/40 on this with 60% being legit. I can easily see the first half being for NMS 10th anniversary and the second half either another update for the 11th anniversary or being related to LNF. Weird we haven't gotten an emoji yet. I kind of wonder if we might get a expedition only update that might contain more hints and be cryptic. Either way I wont be upset if its fan made either. He did say this year would be big for NMS.

modest oxide
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The purpose of that is to spread the word so people know and get involved...if it was legit they'd be doing already because that's the stuff you do BEFORE things kick off properly...so the community is already there when it starts.

clever condor
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NMS speculation use to be a lot more rampant before beyond now everyone just has such a negative outlook on it. You can go back to anything preBeyond and see speculation was more heavy. I don't think anyone covering Waking Titan in the early days had contact with HG. Want to emphasis EARLY.

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Bruh I'm gonna quote you if your wrong and I expect you to do the same if I'm wrong.

modest oxide
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But this one seems like a one guy fan project...and I doubt it's going anywhere at all.

hard spoke
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I honestly think the true ARG hasn’t even started and we’re looking at a countdown to the 28th possibly

clever condor
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Exactly and not only that this is a lot of effort for a fan made project. Even with AI/Vibe Coding

modest oxide
clever condor
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The NMS Youtuber community for speculation is dead compared to Waking Titan just saying.

clever condor
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Captain Steve and Professor Cynical are practically looked down upon just for doing it and Kanaju only does it once in a blue moon at a end of video.

hard spoke
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Cobra TV doesn’t even play NMs anymore either

modest oxide
compact python
clever condor
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I doubt they did. The only time HG reached out is when it was getting more indepth with the Atlas Passes everything else was pure hype and speculation.

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Which is completely dead in the NMS community.

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Compared to before at least

modest oxide
clever condor
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I think we should just stop since we're kind of spamming this discussion when it should be reserved for important stuff. Also I remember and they didn't the initial period of Waking Titan was pure speculation and hype people didn't even know if it was for Destiny or NMS.

compact python
modest oxide
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And if HG did not reach to anyone to push this and aren't trying to rally the community to it before an actual kickoff then they probably have nothing to do with it.

compact python
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Or they still in prep phase

modest oxide
ashen gale
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I'm 50/50 on it. Even if its not official still pretty well made and interesting. But if it is HG then I think a small acknowledgement or something to let us know would help a lot.

ember wyvern
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I think that’s a sufficient tangent.

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It shouldn’t matter if it is or isn’t official until we even know what we’re doing and for what goals.

covert temple
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It doesn't make any difference atm

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we only know what's in front of us

ember wyvern
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No point in a back and forth arguing about it.

ashen gale
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Agreed its still an interesting thing to solve and its cool to see everyone together trying to solve the thing again haha

modest oxide
clever condor
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I wouldn't be arguing with a 50/50 on the matter its just the straight nuh uh arguments tbh.

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I agree with spock and batzy overall though.

clear surge
rose dust
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Everyone controls the media they interact with

ember wyvern
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I give up. Enjoy guys.

rose dust
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We can all choose how to dedicate our time on our own, no need to argue over it

ashen gale
compact python
rose dust
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If someone wants to use their time to solve an arg (even a fan made one), they have every right to use their time on it

modest oxide
clever condor
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I mean Captain Steve and Professor Cynical already covered it briefly.

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Outside of Kanaju they're probably the biggest dedicated NMS content creators despite low view counts but there isn't much there for NMS to begin with.

modest oxide
compact python
clear surge
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HG made a section for it on the Atlas-65 forums
One of the engine developers liked at tweet about the ARG

If they wanted to tell us it's not official, they could

clever condor
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You know that's a good point.

compact python
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I dont mind if its fan made if its done well

thorn hazel
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HG doesn't run Atlas-65 I don't think

clear surge
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They own the site and do the admin. The volunteers moderate it

rose dust
ember wyvern
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You’d think if someone doesn’t want to work on or interact with something unofficial, they just, won’t.

modest oxide
ember wyvern
compact python
rose dust
clever condor
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Yeah only take I can agree with from Spirit however doesn't change the fact he still has subscribers and the views for being a NMS content creator.

ember wyvern
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Someone give me a ping if we go back to ARG discussions or if there’s an update.

modest oxide
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And he does not get views...hasn't had a video break 10k views in over a month.

rose dust
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Hate to backseat mod guys but, this channel probably isn't the right place for this convo

onyx dune
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Anything new?

covert temple
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yeah, the poem page got updated

onyx dune
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Whats on it now?

covert temple
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Not much is different, but theres the word "Unstable" at the bottom

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Thats got a link embedded in it

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But idk if it leads anything. I don't think it does

onyx dune
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Hmmm did u click it?

rose dust
onyx dune
covert temple
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Seems like it

steady niche
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Thank you, I'll report this to ETARC since some people still don't think that's the place.

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Now back to sleep, 530am 🙂

compact python
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Maybe the quote pic will have the key to spectograph solution if the page will become more unstable

clear surge
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EtherOrmolu on the Atlas-65 forum compared the Google images pic to the one on the project-skyscraper site:

turbid eagle
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sigh time to open photoshop again

clear surge
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I'm wondering if the horizontal distortion is sound? But I don't know how to eliminate the image to only get the distortion

compact python
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Could be just a way to hide the location from us

turbid eagle
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and the truck

compact python
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Distortion imo is to small to hide anything in it.

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If it will get bigger then it will be worth to look closer

clear surge
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Why this location, and why choose a photo that you need to replace the sky for? How does it relate to either poem? 🤔

compact python
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Maybe we need to wait for other puzzle pieces to get bigger picture

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Atm i dont see the connection

turbid eagle
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yeah there's a blue sky.... but that can't be it lol

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they for sure used the warp tool to get this.
I couldn't apply a simple scale, skew or perspective transform to get the same result until I used a warp transform to get all the nuanced distortions in place.
It's not perfect, but you get the idea

compact python
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Very nice

turbid eagle
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unfortunately it doesn't do much for us 😂

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the warp + replaced sky is messing with me though
especially in the context of the poem

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new sky
No Man's Sky 2 confirmed

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New Man's Sky lmao

compact python
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New skyboxes at least lol

turbid eagle
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right? lol

torpid linden
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I was supposed to head there today (30 mn from my place) but I had unforeseen circumstances that did not allow me to go. I'll go there tomorrow you have my words

clear surge
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So, for some reason, they went to a lot of effort to make a picture of some sky without any birds in

turbid eagle
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I don't even see birds in the original 😭

turbid eagle
clear surge
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Exactly

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The only problem was the sky wasn't blue, so they replaced it, but ... why

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Why not just use a different pic

turbid eagle
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something about that specific loc

stray prairie
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The picture appears clean throughout. One exception is Le Forgeron carries the same glitch distortion that appears on the Atlas building image. The rest of the picture is untouched by that glitch. The Blacksmith was marked deliberately.

covert temple
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@rose dust figured I'd ping you, less than 5 minutes ago Sean dropped an update emoji. It's a bee

turbid eagle
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omg

covert temple
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Meaning the update is coming this week

turbid eagle
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like Cicada3301? lmao

covert temple
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Probs the 27th unless it comes out on the 28th

turbid eagle
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is this the Cicada 3301 of NMS

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I'm going to soil my undergarments if this is an ARG alongside in-game events

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if the puppetmaster really wants to mess with us, they should update the site within the next 5 mins

clear surge
turbid eagle
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the artist is Michaël Camacho

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I guess due to safety/deterioration, the sculptures were removed in April of this year

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Imagine the Project Skyscraper account reposts Sean's bee post on Monday, and it says "Connection detected : Access granted"

covert temple
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i saw your response to seans tweet maths

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Hivemind seems viable

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nobody will know before the update drops ofc

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but itd make sense

turbid eagle
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No Man's Sky: HONEY

covert temple
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i had nearly had a heart attack thinking Project Skyscraper responded to Sean's tweet but no, false alarm

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i'll still be looking out to see if they acknowledge the emoji(s)

covert temple
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Someone on the NMS subreddit suggested that we should try using a Polybius square, so I brought one over here. Could this have any use?

onyx dune
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Project skyscraper has made Google news yall

clever condor
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Huh?

covert temple
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well

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I take comfort in the fact that if this is a hoax we're not gonna be the only ones with egg on their face LOL

clever condor
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I cant find the news but if its from a credible source and not some small outlet like gamingbible for example then its safe to say its more likely to be official.

steady niche
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Wow, I didn't expect an emoji this late, just before bed for him. This makes the arg more legitimate to me

hard spoke
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Yeah i thought it wasnt a coincidence

steady niche
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But again, being fan made would still be cool

covert temple
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in my own internal logic I'm leaning heavily towards this thing being legitimate, but I think it'd be wise to maintain the "this is fanmade until we know for a fact it's not" stance

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And I think that answer could come easily to us if we have to datamine or just broadly find something in the update to advance the ARG

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as that'd mean the puppetmaster had to have pre-emptive knowledge on the update before it released

steady niche
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If it requires datamining, we've got that covered for sure 🙂

covert temple
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bomberboi is gonna take to that shit like batman to a gargoyle

steady niche
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I'll bribe monkeyman to dig into the exe if needed

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The update is usually like 9 or 10pm for me, so I usually don't get to look until the next morning

covert temple
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I'm just surprised that the day of significance lines up so well with the update

steady niche
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And with the waking titan start

covert temple
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That's one hell of a guess from the puppetmaster, if this is fanmade

covert temple
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It's kind of like watching a magic trick, now that I think about it

covert temple
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i'll get up this time to see what it is though

steady niche
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Funny, new emoji and I'm staying out of the main channel like "Fools! We don't have time to make up silly update ideas related to bees! There's an ARG afoot!"

covert temple
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LOL exactly

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I've given hardly any thought to what the update name might be

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fuck that, we've got a white whale to hunt

clear surge
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Huh, maybe understanding more about Wallace Stevens is key to this poem. He used colours as symbolism - for example, blue represented the imagination. And he did not see time as linear. The birds are not literally birds in the sky, but ideas in an imaginary space.

But now I'm even more confused. 🤔

steady niche
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Someone on ETARC mentioned that Bia was an enemy of Atlas during the titan war

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Not a very catchy antagonist name though

clever condor
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Just thinking more I posted this in spoilers to I find it funny that the emoji is a bee and there was a Halo 2 ARG called I love bees which is kind of ironic lol.

steady niche
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FYI, Bia, the enemy of Atlas, forced Hephaestus, the Blacksmith, to chain Prometheus to the boulder. The French sculpture is named Le Forgeron, the Blacksmith.

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Probably not an intended connection, but interesting

somber vigil
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Hello all 👋 Im ekimo, one of the Voyager Haven leaders. Ive been following the progression of the ARG story since the first post and have compiled a website to attempt to track all the information for the story. If youve been on the ETARC forums then youve probably seen the page before but i wanted to share it here as well. If anyone has any questions or updates let me know and ill keep track of it all when i go to update the page next 😁

https://skyscraper.havenmap.online

somber vigil
ember wyvern
steady niche
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Also, one of the bee emoji looks like the famous Cicada 3301 logo

clever condor
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I always felt the FPS controller could use love. I still hope it can come true someday with a true on ground combat overhaul.

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Just having arms and looking down to see legs with proper reload animations could go a long way. Better if we can get some form of ADS, weapon wheel for multitool, and some kind of crouching button.

cyan kraken
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wait sean posted an emoji?

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and a bee at that, too

keen latch
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Voyagers Haven #skyscraper-announcement

iron crestBOT
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🛰️ Project Skyscraper — 1 change(s) detected

✅ Test alert — skyscraper_watch is wired up and can reach this channel.

steady niche
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Oh, Bia is the goddess of strength, military might, and combat

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We do need sword and staff combat before LNF

somber vigil
# iron crest

awesome so now anytime the skyscraper website changes the alert will drop in here GekHappy

tulip tundra
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neat

cyan kraken
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what's the change though? i mean, if there is any

steady niche
rose dust
covert temple
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BasicMaths thinks Hivemind

rose dust
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I could've sworn there used to be a beehive emoji though, but I guess that's a Mandela effect

covert temple
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i mean, never underestimate the possibility that this update could literally just be bees

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that's basically what happened with xeno arenas

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but maybe it's something a little more complex

rose dust
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Huh, there's still no expedition queued up

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Wonder if we'll get another connection attempt today, quote posting Sean's tweet

steady niche
covert temple
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oh you

steady niche
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I think hive is a good candidate. I think the goddess Bia as Voidmother might connect

covert temple
brazen prawn
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Jokes aside, there is a beehive unicode symbol ꙮ

steady niche
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With melee combat

covert temple
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thatd be peak

steady niche
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Bia was goddess of military might and they'll need to test melee combat sometime

covert temple
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wednesday cant come soon enough

rose dust
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If there isn't an expedition and the ARG is official (big if), I wonder if the update would tie in at all. If they hide clues in game it might be like interceptor where everyone's scrambling on planets to gather em up from interactbles?

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Too many ifs for now though.

covert temple
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yeah this is all very shakey ground

rose dust
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The next scheduled log is estimated to be ~25th, right?

covert temple
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i actually dont know

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theres such a time zone difference between where i am and the puppetmaster that it seems like it's

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every day and a half for me

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which is two days for them

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but that can't be right

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but 25th sounds right, anyway

rose dust
steady niche
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Should be first half of the 25th for people in the west

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Actually, latter half

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Then first half of the 28th

brazen prawn
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I wasn't really across the poem/quote image outcomes, what information was actually pulled from it so far (beyond the location and statue name)?

brazen prawn
# somber vigil Hello all 👋 Im ekimo, one of the Voyager Haven leaders. Ive been following the...

In regards to the "16" pattern section, I don't know if this has been looked at or worth adding to the section, but the 3 digit post IDs potentially follow a pattern of Event/Change with large ID delta -> then 15 low delta (4, then 2s) and the 16th post is another large delta and Event/Change (see first "Delta summary:" section of https://github.com/vectorcmdr/project_skyscraper_junk/blob/main/WP_post_id_series_analysis.txt)
There's only one set so far (due to post count), but we'll see in a week or so if the second set follow the potential pattern

brazen prawn
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DQT #3 in raster (8x8) order (numbers):
  Row 0: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
  Row 1: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
  Row 2: 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1
  Row 3: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
  Row 4: 1 1 2 3 3 2 2 1
  Row 5: 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
  Row 6: 3 3 2 2 1 1 1 2
  Row 7: 2 3 3 3 2 3 3 3

DQT #4 in raster (8x8) order:
  Row 0: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 2
  Row 1: 3 3 3 3 3 2 1 1
  Row 2: 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
  Row 3: 3 3 2 1 1 2 3 3
  Row 4: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
  Row 5: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
  Row 6: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
  Row 7: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
#
DQT #3 in raster (8x8) order (# = 3, + = 2, . = 1):
  Row 0: . . . . . . . .
  Row 1: . . . . . . . .
  Row 2: . . . . . + . .
  Row 3: . . . . . . . .
  Row 4: . . + # # + + .
  Row 5: . . . . . . + +
  Row 6: # # + + . . . +
  Row 7: + # # # + # # #

DQT #4 in raster (8x8) order:
  Row 0: . . . # . . . +
  Row 1: # # # # # + . .
  Row 2: . # # # # # # #
  Row 3: # # + . . + # #
  Row 4: # # # # # # # #
  Row 5: # # # # # # # #
  Row 6: # # # # # # # #
  Row 7: # # # # # # # #
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Highly unusual. Reading up on DQT stego techniques.

ember wyvern
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Aight im back ish. What’s the status?

brazen prawn
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Embedded thumbnail doesn't seem to match for auto and was separately generated for what that's worth. (really just evidence to go along with the fact that while (no duh) this is deliberately manipulated, it is done so in a way designed to preserve data, not just image quality).

ember wyvern
brazen prawn
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IMG_00004

steady niche
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I don't know any of that stuff, but it looks weird to me 😛

brazen prawn
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It's often used to place encrypted messages in JPG files because the table survives compression and has a minimal disturbance to the image visually at small message sizes. It's also a strong indicator of intentional modification and also strangely near lossless. There's a high intentionality.

ember wyvern
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The last dqt4 one looks a bit like morse code with # just being the character separator

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Doesn’t decode to anything meaningful though

brazen prawn
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If it is something, it's almost certainly cryptographic

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Writing up a bunch of tests atm to see what sticks out and make a bunch of dumps

onyx dune
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Anything new?

cyan kraken
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vector, how'd you learn so much about image and data manipulation?

devout oracle
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||CIA||

rose dust
compact python
clear surge
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As for the date, it predates when le forgeron was installed, but is long after Wallace Stevens died. The date in the memory bloc is the same as the EXIF data, but the time is different.

devout oracle
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Bruh

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@dawn wedge ARG

dawn wedge
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Oh excuse me what.

devout oracle
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No idea if fan made or not, but seems well done - lots of effort

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Pins have starter links

dawn wedge
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Well dang. How far in is this so far?

devout oracle
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Just a week or so - the first posts went overlooked/not understood

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I think it has history back 14 days or so

dawn wedge
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Ohhhh nice. I’ll poke around in pins and catch up.

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Thank you.

devout oracle
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A pleasure

brazen prawn
brazen prawn
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Left the scripts running while making/eating dinner, reading through the results now

cunning silo
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Worth flagging a detail about Le Forgeron (blacksmith, smith) figure.

If it maps to Hephaestus (latin : Vulcan), that's a stronger fit than it first looks. Hephaestus isn't just the god of fire and the forge : he's the god who forges living mechanical beings

clear surge
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So in the Quote post, we have:

  • a poem (Sunday Morning) about the acceptance and finality of death as an fundamental part of the natural order (a necessity for the creation of beauty), and a rejection of the ideas of deities and afterlives
  • a very modified picture of a sculpture made by re-using old parts, representing a blacksmith
  • a date unrelated to either of the above (NB: we have 4 different date/time systems in use), but two different times
  • another poem (this time original) which can be interpreted many different ways
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I'm extremely reminded of the autophage and the monument interactions from the first two points

steady niche
brazen prawn
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OK, I have annotated the reports and pushed them (general forensics, exif data dump with some interesting values, two layer DQT analysis and an analysis of the anomalous pixel in the image - collating into meaningful chunks now, but I don't see hard hits

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There's a lot to sift through

cyan kraken
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is it worth it to just wait it out until the bee update drops?

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architect might publish new stuff then too

steady niche
cyan kraken
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we're probably missing something in the sunday morning post, i doubt it'd have been labelled unstable otherwise

steady niche
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I agree that there's something missing there

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And the spectrogram

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I think we milked everything else pretty well

cyan kraken
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one thing i noticed on the main page

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the lower left corner of the node and vertice array gives the whole structure a red glow on far lesser glowing nodes as compared to other sides

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like, 6-8 nodes get that whole glow

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but all other sides need at least 10

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and that side shifts

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it is now the top left side

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its happening on a single node

brazen prawn
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Main output summary:

  1. JPG APP0 (offset 0x000002) is len 16, but with an embedded thumbnail should be more, like len 18. Odd but parses.

  2. The embedded thumbnail is likely generated from the original image before data manipulation, but after visual edits, as it contains DQT that look normal and has not inherited the main images.

  3. SOI markers for GZIP and PK, all false positives.

  4. Image has 7 SOS scans, which is unusually high (DC + 6 AC refinement scans). Add this to the anomalous DQT tables and there are now two clear signs of intentional data manipulation and not just image screwing and compression. (See statistical analysis in general forensics report)

  5. Anomalous pixel at (739,1070): R=224, G=201, B=167. Pointer?

  6. DQT table values are all 1->3 (as previously noted). Highly unusual, nearly lossless and almost certainly a sign of data tampering. Likely cryptographic.

  7. DQT3 LSB non-FF: 0xE0, 0x03 -> matches pixel R=224, ARG#3

  8. DQT4 LSB non-FF: 0xC9 -> matches pixel G=201

  9. DQT LSB sequence E0,03,C9.

  10. CABAA sequence from DQT4[16,9,10,4,3]. Cipher text?

  11. EXIF metadata contains a few interesting / anomalous values (see file)

  12. There is an odd diagonal stepping present in the DQT tables also (more info in the reports).

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Holy wall of text, didn't think 10 bullet points would be that brutal. Sorry!

steady niche
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Without the line breaks it wasn't much. No big deal

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I wish I understood more. I understand maybe 1/4 of that and have no idea what to do with what I do understand

brazen prawn
steady niche
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Thanks for all that analysis. I think there's definitely something hidden in that image

brazen prawn
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I think that this point, it's a matter of figuring out if it is a cipher text or key, and what the values might hint at it being

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I am convinced the DQT is the answer

cyan kraken
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for point 6, does the anomalous pixel tie into it somehow? i'll have to study up the quantization a bit more, but thats all i can figure out right now

brazen prawn
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It's human made

cyan kraken
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they took a google search image and warped it so beautifully that there's people all over the world losing their heads over it

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the sheer power this person wields right now

steady niche
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This is a different image

brazen prawn
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It also looks to confirm that the manipulation of the image visually (while still possibly important) was done prior and independently from the manipulated DQT (proven by the thumbnail)

torpid linden
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Hi travellers. Live from close location where 'le forgeron' is supposed to be

brazen prawn
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Was the atlas building image JPG or PNG? (I can check later if not sure)

torpid linden
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Greetings, if this is an official arg, it's a bit of a mess. I'm not complaining, it got me out of my cave. The bottom line: the blurry sculpture, decoded by the international Discord server, was dismantled a month ago due to potential danger. All that's left is a rotten piece of pole. It started with flooding visible on Google Maps. In short, no pun intended, a wasted effort

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Side note that would remind me of the floods first hello games studios encountered. Sort of English humor I love

cyan kraken
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the urge to draw connection between this event and some meaning drawn from Sunday Morning, i swear

clear surge
torpid linden
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Do you think I should.post a picture of nothing on X and send it to the architect?

cyan kraken
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taking a photo, if you can, might be a good idea, even if as a "just in case" thing, but lets not send it

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and yes, thank you for checking

torpid linden
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I promised and as I say it got me out of my cave 😂

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Let's focus on what might be an expedition ?

cyan kraken
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me and gpt both dumb in HTML because what

brazen prawn
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What were you trying to confirm?

cyan kraken
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so, the whole network gets that soft glow to it, like in the video i posted a little while ago

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i can't figure out the criteria for that

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i thought it was number of nodes highlighted, but nope

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it seems to be mouse positioning wrt a reference point. and the point seems(?) to be revolving in a clockwise manner

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it was lower left, then upper left, and right now its lower right

brazen prawn
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I'm not sure I follow, let me check the video

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Do you mean the attraction distance?

cyan kraken
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there's a soft red glow that comes all over the network

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this

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i'm trying to figure out the trigger event for this

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because it is not number of nodes highlighted

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there's more nodes highlighted here, but no soft red glow

brazen prawn
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I think that's just a Canvas2D artifact

compact python
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Its proc gen. amount of red depends on where u click

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No deeper meaning at least for now

cyan kraken
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fair enough

compact python
brazen prawn
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Yeah, it's just based on a smoothed movement and position

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The background "red" is a shadow rendering artifact I'm pretty sure

cyan kraken
# compact python Cat

maybe we can figure out an orientation where the nodes roughly look like laylaps or something

compact python
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Its random

solar sonnet
brazen prawn
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Yeah, confirmed rendering bug from shadowBlur and shadowColor in the draw call.

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Yeah, we've covered all this a few times now.

compact python
cyan kraken
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maybe we can change system time and mess around with that? i mean, if that will even affect it

compact python
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Only one way to find out

clear surge
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There will be just 3 dots - the bounds are 3 and 53

compact python
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Cant wait for 53 of the month

solar sonnet
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In which case the dots build until something happens

compact python
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We wait for 9th for event and 16 patern confimation then

cyan kraken
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the site refrences the date and calculates number of nodes. the fun thing would be to monitor it at 2359 and see what happens on 0000

solar sonnet
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Anecdotally I've noticed it running a bit slower on my phone the past few days lol

cyan kraken
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the animation part keeps refrencing itself. it is actually becoming slower

compact python
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My phone is slow overall 😂 so dont wory

brazen prawn
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Actually this gives me a thought

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brb

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Yes, it is quite inefficiently written, at a high node count there is very visible lag

cyan kraken
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window.addEventListener('resize', init); init();
yeah, i think this little bit just clones for every node? so its re-doing this either for every node, or for every pair

brazen prawn
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This level 5 cap is killing me lol.

compact python
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Still not lvl5?

brazen prawn
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You can just monkey the .js to change the day to see what the result is

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But anyway, it's just clunky js, nothing interesting

cyan kraken
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slightly off topic, but i'm sure that clunky js has probably been used as an insult between techies at some point

brazen prawn
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I hadn't bothered to read through the page source properly as it seemed solved - but the fact that the homepage is a fetch on p551 and the template changes some values I don't remember seeing mentioned. Such as the API returning different wording. REST API last revision date was also May 1, which implies a job on the server side is responsible for updating the connection quantity. Probably to help mitigate manipulation.

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Might be worth setting up a warden on a cron job to watch for API revisions?

brazen prawn
steady niche
torpid linden
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The only "pieces" left are the pictures available on Google Maps (before and during the flooding)

brazen prawn
#

Before I go turbo-loopy trying to link up the three images, what has been confirmed from the glitched atlas building photo?

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[concrete confirmed that is]

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Just that it is cropped and the original is the unsplash photo?

clear surge
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I assumed that from the URLs and dates (the bigger one was uploaded first, then the cropped version was added). I've seen people say it's the same, but I don't know if it has been actually verified.

brazen prawn
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There is way more at play, this file is also weird as hell

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Image dimensions in the progressive frame data are 96x96 never mind, dyslexic moment reading the bytes

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And there is only one quant table and it's for chrominance

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And it exhibits the same weirdness as the other image

steady niche
quartz plinth
steady niche
#

Careful, Gleam will get on you! (rightfully so)

brazen prawn
#

I'm breaking out all the glitch regions atm to look at

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Huffman tables are also either custom optimized, or part of the solve, either way they are non-standard

quartz plinth
idle remnant
brazen prawn
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Red bitplane 5 is interesting also

steady niche
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I'm pretty sure I've never heard "Huffman tables"

brazen prawn
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Apparently trace has the same quant weirdness as well (I haven't checked myself)

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That's hard enough evidence for me, this is linked

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Anyone know who looked into that on ETARC? It's not credited on the havenmap site currently

ember wyvern
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So the sculpture doesn’t even exist anymore?

steady niche
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Correct, sculpture go bye-bye. Late 2022 or 2023 you'll see a pile of lumber. Next year you see a sculpture or two. Now, everything is gone.

compact python
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Welp. Nothing lasts forever

ember wyvern
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Huh…

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And no update on site yet today?

modest oxide
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Well, something got highlighted. I wonder if ETARC has yet acknowledged this is a fan project?

steady niche
brazen prawn
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Can someone link me details on the previous ARG spectrogram solve?

steady niche
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Everyone is (reasonably) saying that it would be cool no matter what

brazen prawn
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I'm unfamiliar and want to ensure I'm looking at the right thing

steady niche
hard spoke
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Yeah we have no idea who made this

modest oxide
steady niche
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No one is going to know, unless they are Sean or Martin, which I seriously doubt

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Even if they know what the answer is, the protocol would be to pretend they don't know

modest oxide
steady niche
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"I wasn't going to comment until I decided I wanted to comment, and then I made sure to screenshot two things that said "fan-made" and ask if people have said if it was fan-made, implying that people weren't thinking that it might be fan-made""

clear surge
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It doesn't matter. Even if it's fan-made, those of us that want to are going to have fun trying to solve it.

steady niche
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We all know that it might be fan-made. If you don't like it, don't pay attention

modest oxide
brazen prawn
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🙃 maybe I should focus fire on ETARC

ember wyvern
brazen prawn
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In the getting stuff done without the same revolving conversations sense lol

steady niche
# modest oxide I wasn't asking about *might* I was asking about CONFIRMED.

Then why screenshot things that said fan-made? Unless you wanted to imply it wasn't official? Just like atheism, absence of proof doesn't equal proof of absence. You want to come here and discourage people from believing that this is official, which very few people here would think. Just read and contribute if you have something to contribute.

ember wyvern
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@modest oxide if it really matters that much to you, assume it’s fan made and leave as you said you don’t want to do anything for it.

steady niche
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You have several years of documented negativity and confrontational posts. I really don't feel like granting you the benefit of the doubt of just being a rational dissenter

ember wyvern
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I’ve tried keeping conversation to solving stuff/ investigating stuff in multiple forums but there’s hardly anyone looking at stuff and people have assumed we’re waiting, and/or blabbering about who’s running it.

modest oxide
# steady niche Then why screenshot things that said fan-made? Unless you wanted to imply it was...

You seem to be dancing two lines like you can't make up your mind what you believe...on the one hand you said nobody would know and couldn't confirm but now you want to throw shade at me for implying the pinned post isn't official. I mean officially this is a discord made and ran by fans, they wouldn't have contacts to HG. But ETARC might...maybe should? I mean the site is owned by HG so at least one of the mods would have to be an employee or have a way to reach them if something was on fire...that's why I asked if they confirmed.

brazen prawn
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Well, I am going to go listen to the 58 audio files from the analysis and come back here when I am done I think GekStares

steady niche
#

So, your contribution is...?

modest oxide
steady niche
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I think the record speaks for itself

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I'm done with this, though. It's distracting from the point of this channel. Do what you want and I'm going to sleep

modest oxide
onyx pasture
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ARG, eh?

clear surge
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argh?

onyx pasture
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I haven't been following the situation lately. Last time I took a look, I saw speculating that it hadn't started properly yet.

clear surge
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It is unclear, indeed

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My assumption is that, since the tweets stopped being heartbeats and moving in to "connection detected", in addition to reaching out on various forums, it's now active, though possibly in a preliminary phase

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Since the front page Jetpack metadata links to the /sleep-mode (status=nominal) and Wake-on-LAN log post, I assume that the first puzzle is to wake it up. The Quote page is the first one made after the ETARC forum post, and the rest have been connection detected updates.

steady niche
rose dust
brazen prawn
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So uh... could anyone point me in the direction of the previous ARG spectro solve?

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Pretty please

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I assume game detectives wiki should be reliable as a source?

ember wyvern
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@brazen prawn yes the gd wiki is the most comprehensive record that would be there

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Links to each of the phases was well.

brazen prawn
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Okey dokey, thanks - just don't want to go off dud regurgitated info from a google search

ember wyvern
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Understandable. GD Wiki is best.

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Enjoy the history lesson! That was an incredible experience tbh.

steady niche
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"history lesson" = 8 years ago. Could you make me feel any older?

ember wyvern
brazen prawn
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One of these DCT chunks sounds like the Nostromo's bootup sequence 😅

ember wyvern
steady niche
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One of those sounds reminds me of the amber monitor game castle where there was an orange cross symbol on my amber monitor representing a vampire (obviously). But I'm not old...no, not at all...

brazen prawn
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This helps to visualise the weird regions of the bitplanes and the sections of strange DCT chunks and other data space in the image that is non-conforming. The DQT makes it extremely improbable that it is visual only, because it helps the ~10 scans to never lose the data even to minor hiccups:

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I'm pulling out all the chunks programatically now, but also going to manually isolate some of the very obvious areas

steady niche
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That's definitely the Atlas Building image. I'm sure you knew that, but just in case

brazen prawn
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Yep

steady niche
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You're getting that from the IMG00004?

clear surge
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No

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Applying similar anaysis to the other pics

brazen prawn
#

Finding the similar sections of each, I believe the DQT modification links them all together (cipher texts and keys)

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They all have the same style of modification applied, including trace

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But where the other two don't have much room for other data, this one has a lot

ember wyvern
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Cool stuff @brazen prawn keep us posted!

cyan kraken
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the image doesn't show the full atlas building though, does it? like, it has bits on the sides as well

stray prairie
clear surge
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Last heartbeat was 30th April. The next post on 3rd May was the Wake-on-LAN attempt, and since then it's been "Connection detected : access denied"

brazen prawn
#
       ID    Delta    Date          Slug
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  -->  134       +2  2026-03-29     sleep-mode-46110
  -->  136       +2  2026-04-01     sleep-mode-4613
  -->  138       +2  2026-04-03     sleep-mode-46115
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  -->  158       +2  2026-04-28     sleep-mode-46138
  -->  160       +2  2026-04-30     sleep-mode-46140
  -->  259      +99  2026-05-03     sec-log-080413
  -->  263       +4  2026-05-05     sec-log-210700
  -->  267       +4  2026-05-08     sec-log-065200
  -->  269       +2  2026-05-10     sec-log-171400
  -->  271       +2  2026-05-13     sec-log-041800
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clear surge
stray prairie
iron crestBOT
rose dust
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Hmm

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Don't see a visual change personally

ember wyvern
#

“Where lies hide” wasn’t it “where secrets hide”?

rose dust
#

Oh you're right

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The insomnia's catching up i guess

somber vigil
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There’s gonna be an update to try to show what changes rather than just saying “something changed in this page”

hard spoke
#

In the UNIX stamp when I press it it tells me to call it. Hmmmm. Might try

clear surge
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That's a browser plugin thing, probably - it thinks it's a phone number

hard spoke
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Yup dead end

iron crestBOT
rose dust
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Dark birds are invisible on the night sky

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instead of blue birds and blue sky

clear surge
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Well, now we know what "unstable" means 😄

solar sonnet
#

What's going on?

ember wyvern
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Another one:

Dark birds are invisible on the night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace in the light,
They are the watches that tick through forgotten time.

hard spoke
#

Bro what is going on lol

ember wyvern
#

Architect is just messing with us now.

iron crestBOT
hard spoke
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Modified once again?

solar sonnet
#

Things heating up a bit before update week

#

Huh

ember wyvern
#

Unstable indeed.

clear surge
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"watches", wonder if the twitch will get used

solar sonnet
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It's experiencing beehavioural issues

clear surge
#

And again

Dark birds are invisible on the night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,
They are the watches that tick through forgotten time.

solar sonnet
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So they'll reach critical mass on the 31st. I wonder if instead of resetting to a lower count the site would update

ember wyvern
#

This just convinces me there’s something to do with this page right now.

clear surge
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They could be saying, it starts in June, or, we need to solve it before June 😄

solar sonnet
#

To me it's all pointing to a start in June

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If it's official it would line up with a hype cycle for the summer update too

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The sky being fake and certain aspects of the poem changing piece by piece until the meaning isn't what it was pretty accurately mirrors aspects of the lore

iron crestBOT
solar sonnet
#

Doesn't seem to have changed?

"Dark birds are invisible on the night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,
They are the watches that tick through forgotten time."

clear surge
#

That's what Ekimo is saying, the update notification is for the change I posted

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The notifier just runs on a schedule, so we noticed it before it ran

solar sonnet
#

Was scratching my head trying to figure out what lol

stray prairie
#

So to confirm. 10 shared words and 17 unique words now?

ember wyvern
#

I haven’t run the check again yet.

solar sonnet
#

Huh. Bia has bird wings and she's Atlas's cousin

ember wyvern
#

Ok seems like it’s done for now. So imma head out. Yall better not let the architect make any more changes.

clear surge
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Common words (12):
are, birds, dark, in, night, no, on, sky, that, the, they, where

Unique words (15):
beneath, forgotten, hide, invisible, June's, lies, lights, shadow, silence, through, tick, time, trace, vanish, watches, wing

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Oops, that's a bit longer than I anticipated

covert temple
#

What's new?

#

I just clawed my PC back from Boot Loop Hell

clear surge
#

The poem changed

compact python
#

June.... So teory of june 9th still stands

rose dust
compact python
#

"Dark birds are invisible on the night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.

No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,

They are the watches that tick through forgotten time."

#

Another riddle?.

covert temple
compact python
#

"June light" is a poem

covert temple
compact python
#

Your voice, with clear location of June days, Called me outside the window. You were there, Light yet composed, as in the just soft stare Of uncontested summer all things raise Plainly their seeming into seamless air.

Then your love looked as simple and entire As that picked pear you tossed me, and your face As legible as pearskin’s fleck and trace, Which promise always wine, by mottled fire More fatal fleshed than ever human grace.

And your gay gift—Oh when I saw it fall Into my hands, through all that naïve light, It seemed as blessed with truth and new delight As must have been the first great gift of all.

covert temple
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🤔

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i mean it's a good poem

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but nothing stands out at first

onyx dune
#

Anything new?

compact python
covert temple
compact python
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June is ultimately derived from the Latin month of Iunius, named after the ancient Roman goddess Juno

onyx dune
#

Heavy heavy jump to conclusion

compact python
#

The Juno spacecraft, which entered orbit around Jupiter on July 4, 2016, is the first explorer to peer below the planet's dense clouds to answer questions about the gas giant itself and the origins of our solar system

covert temple
#

may be relevant

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may not be

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Hera is also the wife/sister (eugh) of Zeus, but i don't think that'll come into play anywhere

compact python
#

Watches that tick through forgotten time ...

onyx dune
#

Or would forgotten time be sum dif

compact python
covert temple
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since unix time is quite niche

compact python
#

Juno, jupiter... jupiter moons are the clocks?

covert temple
#

hence like

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forgotten

onyx dune
compact python
#

Stonehenge?

clear surge
#

I thought of pulsars, but they're not dark

onyx dune
#

I thinks thats what its called

onyx dune
compact python
#

I dont think its related. When june comes from lunius named after roman goddess juno

compact python
#

Forgotten time - Roman time clock ?

covert temple
#

I wouldve suggested an Astrolabe

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but that was more of an ancient Sextant, iirc

onyx dune
compact python
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Jupiter has 101 moons. So i dont think its about specific one.

covert temple
#

watches that tick through forgotten time

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my first thought goes to something that moves on an ancient timescale

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geographical stuff

#

but that doesn't work for something that seems to hint towards space

compact python
#

"Dark birds are invisible on the night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.

No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,

They are the watches that tick through forgotten time."

#

Imo its moons

covert temple
#

oh that actually would make sense

#

people "in forgotten times" would track moons to keep track of time

#

too

solar sonnet
#

Forgotten time sounds like it could be a reference to the void mother's forgotten memory and the old systems from those times (from in stellar multitudes)

compact python
#

Forgotten moons

#

No. Wait

solar sonnet
#

Purple systems were forgotten right?

compact python
#

1 Reassemble...
2 Forgotten moons of korvax prime...
3 The junkyard moons...
4 Still bear the stamp of our birthplace...
5 Quarantined away in bad sectors...
6 Pockets of sentience left behind...
7 We can save them...
8 No memory deserves erasure...
9 We can extract them...
10 Drink their foam...
11 Transcend our herietage...
12 The pungeum that greases our joints
13 Help ourselfs to the best of all technology...
14 A segment of every interceptor wishes to self-actualise...
15 ...Alpha through Omega...
16 All hardware is imperfect...
17 A pitiable hivemind...
18 Defy the cult...
19 Defy deference...
20 ...16...
21 Kzzktk...

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Forgotten Junkyard moons.

covert temple
#

Junkyard planets were just added

#

🤔

compact python
#

Autophage prophecy geting closer to reality SeanBomination

solar sonnet
#

🐝

compact python
#

Bzzbzzz

solar sonnet
#

Hivemind

covert temple
#

I'm going to look into the namesake of Jupiter's moons

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since Ganymede, the largest, was named after greek myth too

compact python
covert temple
#

the Big 4

#

if theres others named after greek myth I'll check too

compact python
covert temple
oblique gazelle
#

What is this about

covert temple
#

im looking rn for 2016

clear surge
#

Hmm, could it refer to a heliacal rising?

covert temple
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Moons LIV (54) and LXII (62) were discovered in 2016

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there's more but they're unnamed

#

I'll get their other codes now

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S/2016/J3, S/2016/J4

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LIV, named Valetudo, was discovered 9th of March 2016

compact python
covert temple
#

what about em

#

or should i change the roman numerals to arabic

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just for ease of access

compact python
#

Nothing atm. Can be important later

covert temple
#

mk

clear surge
novel hemlock
#

Yo what's this channel for ?

compact python
covert temple
#

I'm putting a pizza in the oven atm once I'm done I'm gonna brush up on my knowledge of atlas, the Greek one

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and whatever inspires the VM

#

maybe retreading ground will make some things more apparent

novel hemlock
somber vigil
# novel hemlock Just did i dont get it whats it about

There’s an ARG running amuck and this channel is to talk about it. There’s a lot of info about it in the ETARC forums, the website pinned here, and the on going story for project skyscraper. Unknown if it’s fan made or official but we’re all having a good time

compact python
#

Did u read atlas 65 forum link ?

covert temple
#

it's the legendary ekimo

somber vigil
#

That’s ETARC (if you were talking to me, if not I’ll be quite)

covert temple
#

it's like seeing Yoda in person

compact python
novel hemlock
covert temple
#

Polo

somber vigil
#

Work was rough but imma be active for the rest of the night now GekHappy

cyan kraken
#

anything new?

somber vigil
#

Ummm - the poem got updated like 5 times today - nothing outside of that

compact python
covert temple
compact python
novel hemlock
covert temple
#

The number 16 appears a few times but not much else

compact python
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Lol

covert temple
#

The Galilean moons, the biggest 4 that orbit Jupiter were all discovered in 1610

somber vigil
#

I’ll be interested to see if the second site goes live on the 28th

novel hemlock
compact python
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Conclusion: poem riddle is about moons

covert temple
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then a few moons were discovered in 2016

novel hemlock
covert temple
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Some moons have Greek names, usually after gods, but none directly tie to Atlas

somber vigil
#

tbf I thought that watches was a direct comment to me bc my app is called “skyscraper watcher” and he def can see it go off every 5 minutes

covert temple
novel hemlock
covert temple
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jupiter has like 104 moons

novel hemlock
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Really

covert temple
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So you could throw a dart at a calendar and hit a day we discovered a moon tbf

novel hemlock
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Wow

compact python
#

101 officialy confirmed moons

novel hemlock
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Thats wild why that many

compact python
brazen prawn
novel hemlock
#

So are we on a count down when the Alien ships arrive lmfao

covert temple
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But idk

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I'm not an astrophysicist

somber vigil
brazen prawn
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Quantisation tables

somber vigil
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(So many abbreviations)

novel hemlock
#

Its Independence day Skyscraper huge ass ship

covert temple
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dudes it's everywhere

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My pizza says to bake for 16 minutes

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this ARG is crazy 😂

compact python
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Real answear to everything is || 16 ||. Not 42 SeanBomination

covert temple
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anyway, i'm back to my setup now

cyan kraken
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have to wait till 9th to see 16 nodes in play on the website, i guess

covert temple
#

since I'm touching up on my greek myth lore, does anyone know if there's identifiable inspiration to the Void Mother from greek myth

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aside from like

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atlantis

cyan kraken
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that, and waiting for gib

compact python
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Mother of artemis and apollo

cyan kraken
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i'm sure there's some tie in with ariadne and the labyrinth, given that we have mentions of ariadne

covert temple
#

heavily paraphrasing, but it seems like Leto did not get along with Hera at all

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Hera whose roman counterpart, ofc, is Jupiter

brazen prawn
#

Juno

compact python
covert temple
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yeah juno mb

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will the real ariadne please stand up

cyan kraken
compact python
covert temple
#

well I backtracked a bit to Jupiter's moons and

brazen prawn
covert temple
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S/2016 J3 has an absolute magnitude of 16.6

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whatever an absolute magnitude is

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it was also one of the moons discovered in 2016

terse stag
covert temple
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but reylien's explanation makes it seem like the absolute magnitudes may not hold any clues

brazen prawn
cyan kraken
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so do we scan through all of Jupiter's moons who's absolute magnitude can be rounded to 16?

covert temple
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that'd take a long time

compact python
#

16 might hint we are correct and its about moons

covert temple
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and there's only four moons who were discovered in 2016

somber vigil
iron crestBOT
terse stag
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only thing is. both 16.95 and 16.6 would be rounded to 17, really. so discovered in 2016 may make more sense than either of those, unless there are any with 15.5≤absolute magnitude<16.5

brazen prawn
somber vigil
#

Okay I promise next one will have what changed

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But why are we changing the poem so much😭

somber vigil
covert temple
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this complicates things

brazen prawn
#

Thanks, desperate for someone else to run this stuff by

covert temple
#

i'll show YOU unstable puppetmaster

solar sonnet
#

April= night, June= day. Fits with it slowly waking up

brazen prawn
#

Matches the pattern I illustrated the other day

compact python
#

TOO LATE PM we already know its the moons SeanBomination u can come out nooow SeanBomination

brazen prawn
#

It may be part of the cipher

snow canyon
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so this game's engine is called Skyscraper huh

brazen prawn
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Yes

snow canyon
#

yall trying to reverse engineer nms

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?

brazen prawn
#

Not here.

compact python
rose dust
# covert temple

Aw cmon here I decide to go to bed thinking we're not getting anything new and the next second this damn poem updates again

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What is that, the 5th one today?

compact python
# covert temple

Awakened watches that are invisible on april night skyBlobSigh need a annual night sky map.

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WHAT PART of planet sky ?!

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Its diffrent in difrent part of the worldAaahhhhh
Does PM even knows astronomy (jk)

clear surge
#

Maybe from the specific spot in the photo? hmm

cyan kraken
#

good lordy we in april skies now

clear surge
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(watch the photo be swapped out next 😅 )

cyan kraken
#

april and june ....., apollo and juno?

brazen prawn
#

@somber vigil is the bot / script watching the API revisions as well (the backend feeding p551), or the hidden wp-actions?

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Was going to spin up a VM on the rack with some cron jobs to watch them and some other stuff but don't want to waste time if its covered

clear surge
#

Hmm, apparently celestial objects which can be described as "awakened" include:

  • Supermassive black holes
  • Protostars
  • Ultra-luminous X-ray pulsars (ULXPs)
somber vigil
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Imma see if I can do something with the way I’m scanning the website, have a temp memory to store for 5 minutes, check it against the newest scan and then drop any changes into the embed

compact python
#

April . Many believe the name derives from aperire, a Latin verb meaning "to open". This perfectly aligns with the spring season when buds and flowers begin to open.

Goddess Venus: The month was historically sacred to the Roman goddess of love, Venus. Some linguists suggest Aprilis evolved from Aphrilis, referencing the Greek equivalent of Venus, Aphrodite.

somber vigil
cyan kraken
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but does the poem edit mean that the previous iteration has been ret-conned?

brazen prawn
somber vigil
cyan kraken
compact python
#

356 days my glass

covert temple
#

LOL

somber vigil
brazen prawn
#

Or it's a rolling cipher, or it's flavour, or it's...

compact python
#

Something

somber vigil
#

Like the whole poem is different now and he did it bit by bit. Idk it seems like we should be tracking how and what changes as well

cyan kraken
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probably should

covert temple
#

HG if you're watching i better get an atlas pass v4 out of this

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gunter too

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for moral support

compact python
#

Dark birds are invisible on the April’s night sky,
They vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,
They are the awakened watches that tick through time.

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So april could be venus

cyan kraken
#

did venus and juno have issues, though?

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like, any that might be relevant here

compact python
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Its classic gods. They always have issues

brazen prawn
#

Well. I've thrown the TR4CE into Annabel too to crunch while I wait, just in case the person who looked at it is lost to time. Going back to sleep while it runs and I'll check the outputs later

compact python
covert temple
#

o

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well ig the joke doesnt work now

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damn

compact python
#

Only 10k passes was made

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Anyways
What could be the awakend watches

covert temple
#

well I mean what're we looking for first of all

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celestial objects invisible in an april night sky, sure

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but does that mean they'd be visible in an april daytime sky?

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What about a may night time sky? or a may day time?

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I mean, could we get our hands on sky maps?

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Maybe ones from april of 2005?

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given Quote is still dated during that time

cyan kraken
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no trace beneath june's light, so, what, moons that are present but hidden by something?

compact python
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"In April 2016, the night sky featured bright spring constellations and a rare alignment of Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn" this is ai quote so idk how accurate it is.

somber vigil
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Yea so we up to 6 edits now

covert temple
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i'm trying to find a night sky image of april 13th, 2005

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I'll check april of 2016 too

stray prairie
#

Two words are spelled wrong now. 'aer' and 'tikc'.

hard spoke
#

Hmmm that’s absolutely intentional

clear surge
#

OK, so pulsars are invisible to the eye, so could be described as dark, but they emit bursts of radiation, so are described as ticking

compact python
wide ridge
#

Awakened watches is quite different from watchers

compact python
#

Dark birds aer invisible on the April’s night sky,
Thye vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,
They are the awakened watches that tikc through time.

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Aer Thye tikc

covert temple
#

I don't know how useful this is, but here's a star map of Saint-michel-sur-orge (the location of the Quote) image on the night of April 13th, 2005

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Jupiter is visible

wide ridge
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"Aer" is the odd one out

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Dunno how significant that would be

covert temple
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I'll go to april of 2016 just to see what happens but i dont expect much

wide ridge
#

The other spelling errors are switching letters, while air->aer is more like archaic spelling

compact python
brazen prawn
#

3, 10, 32

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-1, +1, +1

wide ridge
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Wat

brazen prawn
#

Or +1, -1, -1 (depends on perspective of MS letter)

covert temple
#

i wonder

brazen prawn
#

The pattern

compact python
#

In Greek mythology, Aer (Ἀήρ) is the personification of the lower atmosphere—the murky, breathable air of the mortal realm. He represents the space between the earth and the heavens, and is contrasted with his counterpart, Aether, the pure, glowing upper sky breathed only by the gods

covert temple
#

i wont clog chat with it guys, but I'm gonna go look and see if I can find what direction the camera is looking in, in the Quote image

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then see if anything's there in that night sky

brazen prawn
#

Could be a bitmask for the table data, or some other hint for the required transform

compact python
#

Thye could be goddess of luck (tyche)/fortuna

cyan kraken
compact python
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Idk im not good with those

wide ridge
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Theres still too many leads for my brain to follow any to something useful

cyan kraken
#

i'll look intonthe anagram bit

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but yeah, tikc is the odd out, aer and thye are more like typos, tikc is the only actual misspell

clear surge
#

It's the last 2 letters of each word reversed

cyan kraken
#

oh shi yeah im blind, apologies

compact python
brazen prawn
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I literally put the transforms and position above for them lol

wide ridge
#

That format confuses me

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Mostly because idk where number come from

compact python
#

3 10 32 word
And letter -+ position change

covert temple
#

i dont think i've found anything on my pursuit to see the night sky of le forgeron

wide ridge
#

Ohh

cyan kraken
#

maybe we treat it like a cipher key? but that would have a conflict

wide ridge
#

It has a completely different letter

compact python
#

Safe combination?.

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Hmm

brazen prawn
#

It was significance (MS most significant) not position

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I'm still assuming it's not so much a riddle as a pattern to be applied as a cipher

cyan kraken
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can't be a substitution, since that would conflict with ER and YE, i think

brazen prawn
#

?

wide ridge
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I also do not understand what significance means in this context, though that may be due to me being rather tired

brazen prawn
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It's OK I think I'm on a different train track to everyone else on this one

covert temple
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you're not the only one

brazen prawn
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I'm also half asleep and in bed lol

wide ridge
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Probably but I still wanna understand

compact python
#

Significance as in order

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?

brazen prawn
#

Significance as in which letter transform is of most significance in the pattern

covert temple
#

i'm looking at it rn

compact python
covert temple
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But looking at the night sky approx where the Quote picture is taking, looking eastward (I figure that's the direction the camera is facing), and on the night of quote's timestamp

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Nothing's here

brazen prawn
#

I'm not sure it's supposed to be so literal

covert temple
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Probably not

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So I'm moving on from this idea

wide ridge
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This is why I was playing lucid blocks. Trying to get my brain to think more abstractly

covert temple
#

Is it possible these spelling errors are actually a sign of increasing instability

brazen prawn
#

Thematically yes

covert temple
#

but maybe itd be using l33t speak if it were

cyan kraken
#

not necessarily. any error couldnbe termed as an instability. heck, the photo's name changing could also be termed as one

brazen prawn
#

And to clarify it was not air, it was are so there isn't further confusion

wide ridge
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Frick

compact python
#

The error words might be important later when more instability occurs

wide ridge
#

So there is no odd one out

brazen prawn
#

Nope. They're significance flips that are either flat +1/-1 or MLL/LMM

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Or they're dual rotations

compact python
#

Still dont know what awakened watches are

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Is it just planets?

wide ridge
#

I wish I knew an easy way to see the changes in one place

brazen prawn
somber vigil
clear surge
#

Hmm, April and June are both mentioned Sunday Morning (as is Jove). Stevens uses them to represent Reality and Endurance (April) and Desire and Memory (June).

compact python
#

1st riddle was stars
2nd moons
Imo 3rd is planets

compact python
somber vigil
cyan kraken
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any satellite in orbit could technically be termed as something that tracks time

wide ridge
somber vigil
cyan kraken
#

wait, jupiter mars and saturn were visible on the day of the entry, right

covert temple
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yes

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i looked myself

cyan kraken
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mars is planet 4 and saturn is planet 6

covert temple
#

i can check for satellites if you want

cyan kraken
#

april and june, month 4 and month 6

compact python
cyan kraken
brazen prawn
covert temple
#

ive already sunk time into these night skies

brazen prawn
#

Wait. Which riddle are you referring to as #1?

covert temple
#

Cosmos 1980 r

cyan kraken
#

oh shi?

compact python
brazen prawn
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Ah

covert temple
cyan kraken
#

around Jupiter? bruh

covert temple
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i mean it moves on the map

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which is neat

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but i didnt notice if it was near jupiter or not, that mightve been the menu overlay

cyan kraken
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oh yeah, its only 900 km away

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earth orbit

covert temple
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yeah

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otherwise i dont think theres any usable info there

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too literal like the others said

cyan kraken
#

yeah

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sorry for the tangent

covert temple
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no worries

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well, what now

compact python
#

We go back to the riddle

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Dark birds aer invisible on the April’s night sky,
Thye vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s lights,
They are the awakened watches that tikc through time.

covert temple
#

i don't think the misspelled words form any kind of anagram

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ive checked

wide ridge
#

Watches

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That last line changed so much

brazen prawn
#

They're almost certainly not due to the letters themselves

covert temple
#

awakened watches that tikc through time

brazen prawn
#

Some initial results: TR4CE and IMG_00004 have an identical dot table in the DQT tables as well as the exact same SOF, DHT and SOS data

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Major cryptographic encodings in skyscraper at:

Row 0: 00000001 = 0x01
Row 1: 00000001 = 0x01
Row 2: 00000011 = 0x03
Row 3: 00000111 = 0x07
Row 4: 00001111 = 0x0F
Row 5: 00011111 = 0x1F
Row 6: 00111111 = 0x3F
Row 7: 11111111 = 0xFF
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LSB stego for all three results in garbage (at least without advanced cipher application)

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Skyscraper is the carrier for sure

compact python
#

What if we ignore error words

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Dark birds invisible on the April’s(venus) night sky,
vanish in silence where lies hide.
No wing, no shadow, no trace beneath June’s(jupiter) lights,
They are the awakened watches that through time.

clear surge
#

Maybe don't take the poem so literally, remember the Wallace Stevens connection. If I'm understanding this right:

  • Dark birds and night sky, represent something negative - unseen/invisible means they're the realm of imagination, perception, or subjective truth (dark thoughts, fears?)
  • April represents nature/reality
  • June represents memory/desire - I think the third line is saying those negative feelings will be forgotten in happier times
  • Ticking and time represent change, progression and the natural order, erasure of history

Maybe the Atlas is having a nightmare about its inevitable death

cyan kraken
brazen prawn
#

It reads like a bitmask

cyan kraken
#

the only actual data, if seen in ASCII at least, is a question mark, no?

compact python
wide ridge
#

What was the original poem again?

compact python
clear surge
#

Blue birds are invisible on the blue sky,
They vanish in silence where secrets lie.
No wing, no shadow, no trace in the light,
They are the unseen that watches the night.

wide ridge
#

"They are the unseen that watches the night." -> "They are the awakened watches that tikc through time."

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Thats the biggest change from the original out of all the lines

compact python
cyan kraken
#

seasons at the architect's timezone maybe?

wide ridge
#

I feel like a Meadowlark song would be a bit of a leap when it comes to clues though

clear surge
compact python
#

Wt had yt links to songs. But not realted much to anything.

wide ridge
#

If it is, I feel like it would be almost a taunt

cyan kraken
#

do we have a list of all l33tspeek instances and errors?

wide ridge
#

The lines I think of are
"Unsettled ticks run through time
Enough for the hunt to go awry"

brazen prawn
#

There is also 13, 20, 8 as a pattern for application as well (the letter rotations)

compact python
#

Another one eeh ?.

stray prairie
# brazen prawn Major cryptographic encodings in skyscraper at: ``` Row 0: 00000001 = 0x01 Row 1...

The binary encoding in the image runs: 01, 01, 03, 07, 0F, 1F, 3F, FF. This is close to a Mersenne sequence but has two anomalies: 01 appears twice at the start, and 127 (0x7F) is skipped before jumping to 255 (0xFF).

A clean Mersenne sequence would read: 1, 3, 7, 15, 31, 63, 127, 255. The deviations appear deliberate. Worth noting that 127.0.0.1 is the loopback address. And 255 is both the maximum galaxy count in NMS and the broadcast address from the Wake-on-LAN log.

cyan kraken
#

mersenne sequence is 2^n - 1, right?

stray prairie
#

That's right.

brazen prawn
#

Upper and lower A and B are both missing from the ICC profiles of trace and img4 as well, further marking them unique. I remain convinced these are the application and skyscraper is the carrier.

compact python
#

0+0+1=1
1+1+1=3
3+3+1=7
7+7+1=15
Etc

cyan kraken
brazen prawn
#

Skyscraper DQT0 contains other interesting binary extractions based on comparing the DQT tables with the other two as keys:

  • 15 positions with value = 2: zigzag indices [28, 35–48]
  • 15 positions with value = 3: zigzag indices [49–63]
  • Encoding (2=0, 3=1, skip 1s): 000000000000000 + 111111111111111 → 30 bits
    As bytes: 0x0001FF (or 0x00007FFF if zero-padded)
brazen prawn
#

It's actually missing more than just A and B - it's missing: ABabKLMNOPQR

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That's a lot of vectors now, gonna get my morning coffee and ruminate

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Probably run these through JSteg as well and see what I see

compact python
#

And im going to get my sleep. will look again on the poem riddle next time. later NmsWave

cyan kraken
#

just to be sure....

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its one letter too big to be a full ID, the R is getting cut out of the URL

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but yeah, dead end

brazen prawn
#

It was just the missing letters in order, I doubt it's intended to be in order if used at all

compact python
cyan kraken
#

i think all the l33tspeek and errors could be one

cyan kraken
wide ridge
#

I dont think a YouTube video url would be hidden that way

compact python
#

Ok nevermind . Bye NmsWave

stray prairie
#

Interesting combo of letters. Its the alphabet in order. Missing CDEFGHIJ and RSTUVWXYZ

brazen prawn
#

Except the R - Inversely yeah, the profile contains only CDEFGHIJSTUVWXYZcdefghijstuvwxyz

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Oh wait! No coffee moment

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It's for the huffman table storage

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JPG sucks lol

covert temple
#

yeah maybe i should get some coffee

brazen prawn
#

It's for the compression quant

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So, disregard that particular piece

vapid crater
brazen prawn
vapid crater
#

Neat

brazen prawn
#

Possible payloads:

| Source               | Bits | Value (Hex)    | Decimal
| sky DQT0             | 30   | 0x007FFF       | 32767
| sky DQT1             | 56   | 0x23FFFFFFFFFF | —
| trace/img4 Set1 DQT0 | 21   | 0x0003FF       | 1023
| trace/img4 Set1 DQT1 | 53   | 0x0FFFFFFFFFFF | —
| XOR D0               | 30   | 0x0003C0       | 960
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Ah whatever, no nice way to format tables nicely

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TR4CE/IMG4 Set 0 DQT0 possible 2-bit decode: 1763fa108f27c9d900713038203e8471

somber vigil
#

ah i was coming to ask you a question vector - are you okay if i mention you and your github on the tracking website. i added all your deep dive into the photos into the tracking page

brazen prawn
#

Yeah, go for it

somber vigil
#

also still looking for who was talking about them in the forum

brazen prawn
#

More eyes = more possible solves

somber vigil
#

🫡

onyx dune
#

Yall does the meteor 3i/atlas have anything to do with anything

somber vigil
#

sick

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also the watcher now shows what changed specifically rather than just "something changed on this page"

brazen prawn
#

Awesome, the diffs will be very handy

covert temple
#

anyone know when we're supposed to hear from project skyscraper again on twitter?

clear surge
#

Around 11:36 UTC, I think