nms-lore

[fickle phoenix]

Think of a refiner as something that can extract additional ingredients from the air. In trace amounts and can store it

[main beacon]

I already think that

But what the heck does it do to turn crystals that form in poop into gold?

Also, gold and silver can be combined into platinum

The refiner is a highly advanced machine, yes, but it also can replicate natural processes

[fickle phoenix]

I think maybe rafinator can change mecular stucture

Based on close family of resources

[main beacon]

It can, but only in specific ways

Some of which dont make sense compared to our own universe's physics and chemistry

I mean, first off, how are the most abundant minerals in asteroids gold and silver?

Heavy elements are rare because they require extreme conditions to form, even when considering stellar fusion and supernovae

[fickle phoenix]

There a lot more gold/silver in No Man's Sky world than ours.
Sometimes you make couple of steps on planet and step on next one

Gold are not rare in nms

[main beacon]

Iirc its theorized that most of the gold in the solar system came from the collision of neutron stars

Meanwhile it seems to form easily in nms

[fickle phoenix]

Yeah. This is a easy answer. Even Gas Giant's doesn't have presure to crush

[main beacon]

Also you can turn gold into pyrite

Which can then be turned into ferrite dust

And silver reacts with oxygen to make paraffinium

[main beacon]

I definitely think there are intentional patterns in things like refiner recipes that hint to the relationship between materials as well as the natural transformations they can undergo

[fickle phoenix]

If nms physic laws are reducted everywhere then besides presure, molecular science can be much less complex.
Were try to have real world answers for cheap simulation

[main beacon]

No I'm not, because real world answers would make even less sense in this context

I actually tend to refer to the refiner recipes as "refiner alchemy" because nms chemistry seems to have looser rules than actual chemistry

Or looser definitions of substances

[main beacon]

Basically, nms has physics and chemistry, but both are its own version of them

[fickle phoenix]

Sometimes it's really fucked.
My home lush planet have atmosphere from 50%~ Methane. There also some oxygen and it's sit's propably in habitable zone due to temperature.
What does that mean?

My rocket launch in real scenerio explode life

Mostly

[main beacon]

I actually think a planet's conditions in nms has more to do with its composition than position relative to the star

[fickle phoenix]

Engine limitations are largely responsible for the system. There are relatively few systems with only one gas giant and five moons

[main beacon]

Yes, but I mean the biomes

Do the biomes result in their materials forming, or do the materials result in the biomes forming?

[fickle phoenix]

In nms rules?
Temperture of star.
Still. This is also fucked.
From my experience I see wrong identificators like Y0 on a purple star's

Y0 is Brown dwarf's

Cold

Not Bright asf

Like purple in definition

[main beacon]

Its obviously not the same in nms as irl

We dont have E stars irl

Also i think brown dwarfs get more commonly classified as L or T

[fickle phoenix]

Still some of symbol's are relative

[main beacon]

Purple stars can also be X

[main beacon]

It does seem that way, I recall another player attempting to link the stellar classification to the types of planets that generate in those systems

[fickle phoenix]

Theoretically?

Were have. Not exactly ones

Give me a word

If the green nebula surrounded the star, we would theoretically achieve the desired effect. It would be an anomaly

What's lowkey match star theme in nms

[main beacon]

Except green stars in nms are actually green

[fickle phoenix]

Were not fly that close to check that

[main beacon]

The color of a star corresponds to that color's stellar metal

[fickle phoenix]

Nebula can also leave trace's of chemistry

This not must be star in common sense

[dull girder]

Star don't really have different colours outside of the map (actually, the star colour is determined by the space skybox colour, so all star types are pulling from the same pool of possible colours)

[main beacon]

Some of which are green

[dull girder]

Could be that whatever the galactic map is in universe is just changing the star colours to appear more distinct

[main beacon]

Though binary and trinary systems complicate things

[dull girder]

Yeah, those are always two or three different colours I'm pretty sure

[main beacon]

Also the irl spectral colors of stars arent as distinct as their labels make them out to be

Also, the stars aside from yellow stars have a significantly higher chance to have their corresponding chromatic planets

[dull girder]

Interesting note about this, we can see the 'canonical' order of closeness to the star for any system by looking at the galactic map. If you pay attention, you can see the same order also manifests in-game as the distance to the space station/warp in point. Back in Origins, they added new planets to most systems (internally called 'prime planets'). Those prime planets have different terrain generation and biome weightings, but most interestingly, they always generate at the outer edges of the system. This is probably just a technical choice to make sure they didn't overlap with the regular planets, but HG essentially created an inner planet and outer planet distinction by implementing them this way.

[main beacon]

Yeah, I remember this being the case

[narrow crescent]

Keep in mind that even in space the VM has a significant influence, the asteroid larve which I suspect is related to her in some way, the jellyfish dwelling among the asteroids…the corruption might extend to space, even if it‘s not as severe there.

[dull girder]

You can see purple space storms near dissonant planets and in purple systems, so probably

[fallow sapphire]

Wasn’t the lore like that it’s a simulation and there’s a black hole near the real world?

[main beacon]

I think that nanites are a fundamental part of the simulation rather than a corruption, but that something involving their processes has been taken over and altered by the Void Mother

[main beacon]

That the Atlas' physical existence is going to be consumed by a black hole, though it will almost certainly be damaged beyond operation before then. I think the Atlas Supercomputer is on a planetoid of some sort, but no information really specifies if its located on earth or wherever its creators homeworld is

[pure plinth]

Some cold, low gravity sort of moon/small planet with no weather would be great for getting rid of heat, although one would have to somehow protect such a setup from impacts and space radiation and the like...

[trail belfry]

So basically it’s a simulation right

[tired burrow]

Are they asking me to betray Atlas?

I'll... trust them

[young crag]

Why do you think that

[young crag]

Whats the lore behind living ships

what are they and why do they exist

[main beacon]

The Starbirth questline pretty much explains the whole thing

They were made by the original Korvax Convergence, led by Korvax Prime, so they could better understand individual beings that weren't part of a network like the Convergence

[dull girder]

There might be a little bit more to it than just that

Brain - kzzkt - formed in void, spontaneous, complete - kzzkt - Atlas protocol made flesh. The Atlantid, called Void Mother by lesser voices, brought pilgrims - kzzkt - its mass - Lived for millennia - kzzkt - died, whispering of the nineteenth minute.

Left secrets beyond computation, beyond - kzzkt - mind arks... carapace... convergence... Korvax honoured fallen - tried to bring back Atlantid, birthed failed Eggs... On the shoulders of a sleeping god, from flesh built a metal world.

The Void Mother lived - kzzkt - the Prime -

From the colossal archives.

Sounds like the living ships could be based off the Atlantid

also makes it sound like the Atlantid was originally some sort of brain/mass floating in space that the Korvax found and literally built Korvax Prime around

[green hawk]

There's lore entries in the Boundary logs that Atlas created Korvax Prime with an older version of its own code, as an experiment to see how an AI could live alongside biological entities.

And then the Gek blew it up for resources.

Which eventually results in the Gek being altered with nanites by the Korvax, and joining the Atlas worship (by inference, "[------]" is Atlas)

[fickle phoenix]

Nada and Polo are couple?

[quick temple]

no, I don't think so

[pure plinth]

More like 2 individuals that shared a common goal or desire to explore, seems more like friends/co-workers than anything.

[narrow crescent]

Probably the case though this makes me wonder whether the failed eggs could refer to Biohorrors, but that‘s probably a reach.

We know that they‘re likely VM related though.

[main beacon]

The starbirth logs indicate the living ships were created before the death of the Atlantid, though. Am I misremembering?

[main beacon]

My interpretation falls more along the lines of Korvax Prime being created as a form of escapism for the Atlas, a version of itself that wasnt alone

[main beacon]

Tbh I kinda see them as a platonic soulmates kind of couple. There hypothetically could be romance, though I dont see it, but theyre definitely very close to each other

[main beacon]

Yup

A dream where it wasnt alone, where it could not be alone, where it had others like it

[green hawk]

I'm sure a different message said experiment, but I have so many screenshots to look through 😄

[main beacon]

I think each race of the triad represents something like that

The Gek seem to reflect its own questioning and frustration at its own purpose, and how much control it even has over itself

The vy'keen seem to reflect the trauma it developed in its interactions to the creator

Maybe even its interactions with itself/its subroutines

[main beacon]

Maybe from Telamon's perspective? Though I remember it only really being able to speculate on the Atlas' goals

[green hawk]

Yes, that sounds about right (that it was written as speculation)

[tame pewter]

whats the lore behind these guys

[main beacon]

There is very little

I consider them to be good omens and anyone who kills them is a horrendous monster

[tame pewter]

i see

well dude chill asf, would def hit the nipnip with him

gave me the water

[narrow crescent]

They were around at rendezvous planets during the cursed expedition, I wonder how deep the intent behind that goes.

[main beacon]

Ohhh, right, theyre associated with living ships

[main beacon]

Definitely meaningful, idk how much so

Weren't there other space things that could appear?

[narrow crescent]

During the Cursed? Not sure, but different expeditions had varrying things placed in space sometimes.

Liquidators had Asteroid Larves for example, iirc.

[main beacon]

Thats probably why I was getting confused

Though I swear at least one expedition had the things change each time

[narrow crescent]

The last time I replayed Cursed I forgot to interact with the Jellies, only did it once and its dialogue was something about „doubt“.

I wanted to check them all and see if they talk differently compared to when encountering them in the regular game.

[alpine zinc]

subnautica a nms planet

[vestal plaza]

Really random question for yall. Does anyone know which IRL languages the autophage language uses symbols from?
is there a list somewhere?

[dull girder]

It's the Greek alphabet

[main beacon]

So, your assessment of the Atlas' structure is correct from what we can find. It is a large and immobile structure incapable of escaping its eventual fate.
The purpose of the Atlas is never really stated directly, but the themes and references throughout various logs strongly imply what it is: to determine the likelihood that the universe is a simulation. Personally, I think it was used for more than simply that purpose, but that seems to be the main reason for its creation.
As for what happened to the creators, that is actually known. It is most clearly spelled out in Remembrance, so check that out if you havent yet.
We are incapable of making anything close to the Atlas in-game ourselves, but the other species seem to have done so at some point.
After a certain point, I think the Atlas didnt bother with simulating a realistic universe, but since our interaction with its simulations is a game, it could be simplified from what it canonically is meant to be

[sterile crescent]

How long is the story if you play it normal so not doing it fast

I heard like 40-50 hours

[quick temple]

probably somewhere around there

[neon glen]

what's the text on a calcishroom say?

i want to upload an image but i can't :(

https://imgur.com/a/F4102lZ

[quick temple]

!familiarrole

You can upload images in #nms-media for now

[neon glen]

idk if this is just discord being jank again but is it normal that this channel has no pinned messages?

[quick temple]

No, every channel should have a pinned message

[neon glen]

okay so discord is on life support. got it thanks

[neon glen]

this thing

                
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[naive jacinth]

Its not a nms txt

U can find simliar in a lot of places

[main beacon]

Wat

[main beacon]

Where is this from?

[neon glen]

on calcishrooms (check out this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/F4102lZ)

[naive jacinth]

U can see it on anomaly on broken terminal

Also screens on derelict freighters had it i think

Runner has simliar symbols

[main beacon]

Why is it on calcishrooms?

[spiral granite]

I don’t understand the part where the korvax “sacrifice their immortality” in the revolution

did they make the geks immortal or what

[winged lance]

No they uhhh imma spoil in case you don't know ||basically the first spawn aka the original gek enslaved the korvax and one day the korvax slaves bled nanites into the gek breeding pool or something and the next race of gek became merchants because of that||

I'm probably simplifying it

[spiral granite]

Ohh

[winged lance]

So they went from brutal warriors to stingy merchants

[spiral granite]

Aight thanks

[signal flame]

yep

[main beacon]

Wait where did it say this?

Oh it may have been individuals who did that

[main beacon]

Also the first spawn are not the original gek

[spiral granite]

Yeah

During the main story

[main beacon]

Korvax can change bodies, but they must remain connected to the convergence to do so

Im guessing those ones disconnected in order to be able to sneak into the spawning pools

[digital raft]

SynthGek

[main beacon]

I... huh. I hadn't considered that possibility

[stable jewel]

SAY WALLAHI BRO SAY WALLAHI

[steel axle]

Do we only have 16 minutes to live

[main beacon]

The answer is yes*

[main beacon]

I meant to explain

[main beacon]

So the answer is yes*

*from the perspective/internal system clock of the Atlas itself

[main beacon]

In days before many players even knew, the Space Anomaly was little more than a makeshift bunker of a station in a weird bit of spacetime

[cyan verge]

Its a time dilation thing

[main beacon]

Its (somehow) even more complicated than that

[cyan verge]

The anomaly was so odd

[main beacon]

This was a refuge to two outcasts, unlikely allies, and deviants among their kind

A gek with extreme scientific curiosity and engineering aptitude, and a korvax priest questioning their faith and their god

While they did have each other as companions, Nada was growing withdrawn in their struggles of questioning all they knew

Back then, it was only the two, and Polo was getting deeply lonely

If either left the sanctuary of the anomaly, they would be hunted by their own people, or by the sentinels, or both

Until a Traveller finds their signal

These two lost souls now have a -kzzt- many -kzzkt- connection to the outside universe

BTW im at work so there will be gaps between me retelling their story, lol

[cyan verge]

Lol dw

[steel axle]

Why is this game called no mans sky?

Genuine question if it has anything to with the game's plot or it just sounds cool

(which it does)

[finite egret]

No real explanation for it. The general lore of the game is that sentinels will not allow sentient races to form large civilizations or cities but that's about it.

[main beacon]

Its a play on the tern "no man's land" which refers to contested territory in a war or between claimed spaces that remain unclaimed due to something preventing it from being practical, or even possible

The main thing I remember hearing about it is WWI with the trench warfare. The land between trenches was the no mans land because neither side could really claim it

I think they chose the name because of how utterly massive space is

To claim the skies belong to any one faction suggests they are capable of controlling all that space

[dull girder]

I think the name also comes from the game very early in development (when they picked the name) having a stronger focus on space combat/warring factions

but still holds up even after shifting focus to mostly be on exploration, with there being so many planets 99% of them will never be visited by players

[main beacon]

It doesnt have to refer to a war, though. I think the term has also been used to refer to unclaimed territories between nations/countries/kingdoms

[pure plinth]

Could also refer to how a no mans land is relatively empty as well besides contested/unclaimed.

[karmic trout]

cause the sky belongs to women, duh /s

jokes apart, the interpretation by Aurix is pretty good

[dry aurora]

a man cant own all that sky

thats it

[naive jacinth]

https://youtu.be/M_WKcUrlA6M?is=besmsJqjv61Kd-1-

Intresting

[dull girder]

"...it becomes hex 17, the number of the Void Mother" since when? I might be forgetting something, but the only number I've seen that's really associated with the VM is 19

[dull girder]

anyway this just typical numerology. You can come up with a system to convert anything into numbers in an infinite number of ways, and you can come up with significance to any number if you try hard enough (like saying 12 is significant because there was at one point an update 1.2, 31 is significant because there are 31 boundary failure logs, 1481827 is significant because the digits sum to 31, so on)

Using it to code portal addresses into phrases is a fun idea and it's cool they made a website to do that, but these are just numbers. There isn't a "secret code" hidden in the language algorithms, they're just hashing English words (or any input in any language) into alien looking words so you can't understand them

[green hawk]

Search for meaning in something hard enough, and you will find it, even if it isn't there

[naive jacinth]

Yeah. I also dont think there is anything deeper hidden in words since we have dataminers . But it could be intresting way for HG to expand some story and lore if connect hex,words , glyphs to decode some messages or access world of glass /abyss

[young crag]

Or lore

Idk why there is a spoilers and a lore

Seems redundant

[main beacon]

Spoilers generally refers to the storylines present in quests, especially the main ones, while lore deals with the overall lore. Sometimes I think of it as "spoilers²" because stuff in the lore can be considered spoilers even to those who've completed the artemis path

An easy example is how the First Spawn destroying Korvax Prime or their transformation via nanites due to the Korvax would count as story spoilers, while the knowledge that the First Spawn committed a eugenics/genocidal campaign against their own species would be lore knowledge

[young crag]

Idk I don’t mention the first spawn in main chat bc I consider it a spoiler to those who haven’t completed the game

[karmic trout]

the First Spawn is mentioned in the game text right from the start tho in the Standing screen

[young crag]

It is? DUDE I’ve beaten NMS like five times and I missed each TIME!?

[main beacon]

The existence of the first spawn isnt a spoiler, but what they did and how they changed is

In a similar way, I dont really consider the existence of the autophage a spoiler when talking about the game

But basically all the context surrounding them is definitely spoilers

[karmic trout]

imo it should be considered since we don't really know about their existence until that quest pops up. Atleast for me it was like that when I was playing like wow there is a secret 4th race?

[main beacon]

Yeah, but at the same time the main things relating to them are out there enough for new players to wonder, like staffs and cosmetics

Plus the update news post pretty much announced their existence

Its kind of a gray area in terms of spoilers

I personally dont tend to explain what they are as much as direct players along the course needed to find them

[karmic trout]

yeahh that is best. I had a euphoria like as if I stumbled upon something I wasn't meant to see when the Autophage quest popped up. Like I started out fully blind.

didn't even know purple systems and gas giants were a thing

[main beacon]

My god, I wish I had such an experience

Ive played the game for so long that I felt the need to spoil the story to figure out where to even go from where I was

There was at least one major story update during my time playing, so it left me kinda confused to the point I ultimately decided to start an entirely new save as my primary one

[karmic trout]

I joined NMS after Relics so I guess I got lucky lol. Circumstances were also kinda aligned in that I was fresh off a nasty breakup with Genshin Impact and was sorely looking for another story driven game to which my friend texted me saying, "try NMS, seems it is good now". That is all the info I knew before starting the game.

[main beacon]

I think I joined either NEXT or Abyss

[main beacon]

I will add that I recall playing enough of the old anomaly storyline to learn the truth of reality and the Atlas

[dull girder]

Do we know much about the Great Intelligence or "its dark freighter"?

I encountered the Traveller who mentions it yesterday, and it made me think of a piece of cut content from the Desolation update:

This is supposed to be an 'end room'. It has a terminal at the end of the walkway but it just gives the same interaction as the computer in the engineering bay would (which makes sense because that's the end room we have in the final game)

[main beacon]

Why does that sound famillllllllllliiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaAAAAH

WEEKEND MISSIONS

[dull girder]

Reference I encountered:

between the two screenshots is me asking them how they know

[dull girder]

intriguing

[wet zephyr]

Hey uh. I heard there might be a new NMS arg

[nimble tide]

ive heard that too

"project skyscraper"

https://forums.atlas-65.com/t/project-skyscraper-no-mans-sky-arg/9095/224

https://project-skyscraper.com

i hope its official and not some dude who vibe coded a website for the lulz

[main beacon]

Wat

[dull girder]

👀

as pointed out in the thread, Project Skyscraper was the codename for No Man's Sky in early development.

might be a little on the nose for something official, but we'll see

looks pretty well made and fun so far, either way

[naive jacinth]

Skyscraper is also nms custom game engine name

[dull girder]

yup, which is also the Light No Fire engine, so it doesn't rule out any potential connections to that

[grim garnet]

@main beacon so why don't the sentinels let civilization get to a certain point?

is it because past a certain point of complexity / density the simulation becomes too computation heavy?

[river tundra]

@main beacon btw why are sentinels a "policing force" in the galaxy? so stuff like protecting space stations and freighters, checking contraband etc, why do they care about stuff like that?

[main beacon]

They refuse to allow civilizations to reach the point where they could do to other worlds what the First Spawn did to Korvax Prime

[grim garnet]

right

ok that makes sense

[main beacon]

This isnt confirmed, but from their roles and interactions, I think it is a part of an agreement between sentinels and the Triad (the three dominant races) where the sentinels help police and secure their society and trade in exchange for the triad not developing past a limit on planets

[river tundra]

the sentinels are that sentient?

[main beacon]

Yes

Its kinda complicated

[river tundra]

i always assumed they were just dumb robots stuck on old programming

[main beacon]

The opposite, if anything

[grim garnet]

they're extensions of atlas itself right?

atleast, with a bit of independence i guess

[main beacon]

Yes, in a way

Similar to Telamon

Except I am fairly sure the Atlas has direct authority over the Sentinels

It just hasn't given them a command since their manifestation

[river tundra]

didnt it say atp that the atlas is losing control

thats why i assumed theyre aggressive

and just general assholes

[main beacon]

Cant lose control if you havent even given a command

During the harvesting of Korvax Prime, some sentinels began to strike against the beings harvesting her

[grim garnet]

Telamon most commonly refers to either a legendary figure in Greek mythology or a structural support column (often known as an Atlas) carved in the shape of a man.

He was an Argonaut

[main beacon]

They killed a First Spawn miner, and the Atlas did not respond

They killed a vy'keen cub who was harvesting Korvax Prime, and the Atlas did not respond

[river tundra]

what IS korvax prime, just a living robot planet?

[main beacon]

That and more

A dream of the Atlas, an entity akin to it in scope and capacity

[river tundra]

so a creation of atlas?

[main beacon]

Her truest name, the Atlantid, hints towards what I think the relationship is

[river tundra]

something more complex though

[grim garnet]

well, hasn't given them a command in this iteration, right? it did command them to erase all life after the whole korvax-gek fiasco right?

[main beacon]

No

They did that in one or more of the universes of their own decision

Apparently, the sentinels were not unified in that decision

[river tundra]

atlas lowk a jerk

[main beacon]

Atlas didnt command them to do that

[river tundra]

he still a jerk

[main beacon]

It didnt stop it either, but its hard to say how much it can be blamed for what's happening

[river tundra]

he shoulda done SOMETHING

[grim garnet]

how long is the 16 minutes

[river tundra]

like 2

[main beacon]

16 minutes according to the Atlas' system clock

[river tundra]

seconds

[grim garnet]

yes

but the simulation isn't running in realtime on the system clock

[river tundra]

have you guys played outer wilds

[main beacon]

The timescale relative to simulation time is difficult to figure out

[grim garnet]

does that imply that a physical universe exists outside of ATLAS

[main beacon]

The only real hint we have is somewhat conflicting, but it is the countdown reading during the time Korvax Prime was destroyed

[main beacon]

Of course

[river tundra]

would it be a simulation if it didnt?

then it would just be a physical universe itself atp

[main beacon]

It is, basically

[grim garnet]

and this was ancient at the current point in the story so it must be millenia then

[main beacon]

Several of them

[main beacon]

Yes

But to the Atlas, it was 3 minutes ago

[river tundra]

all universes are physical until proven otherwise ig

[grim garnet]

true, but that universe doesn't need to have the same physical laws or dimensions as ours

the "16 minutes left" implies it atleast has the dimension of time, so is likely similar to ours in physical laws and matter as well

[river tundra]

yes but if there wasnt anything beyond the simulation then can you really call it a simulation

and not just reality

[main beacon]

It can be both

After all, thats the main reason the Atlas was created

[river tundra]

true

[main beacon]

At least, its strongly implied to be

[river tundra]

to just be god?

make worlds and life etc?

[grim garnet]

well i can simulate a 2 dimensional universe on my computer, and it's inhabitants wouldn't recognize our universe as equating to theirs, i guess im saying atlas exists in an analog to our universe

[main beacon]

To determine the probability that the universe is a simulation

[river tundra]

wait isnt the atlas responsible for creation itself though?

[main beacon]

Considering what sort of capacity such a computer and program would need, I'm sure it was used in other ways too

[river tundra]

google

[main beacon]

It is responsible for the creations of the universes it made

Though

Im not sure how much of its creative acts are truly conscious decisions

[grim garnet]

although in order to simulate multiple universes in parallel on a timescale infinitely faster than ATLAS's universe, the physical compute necessary would likely extend to all the matter available in ATLAS's universe, so it's entirely likely that ATLAS is the only thing in it's universe, so technically there's nothing outside of the simulated universe.

[river tundra]

"computa, make this star hella purple, and put green planets around it"

[main beacon]

Nah

The Atlas was built by other beings

It is constrained to a location

[river tundra]

the atlas is a computer

sorta

[main beacon]

Its located on some sort of planet/planetoid

[naive jacinth]

Technicaly atlas is your hardware running nms

[main beacon]

And that body is either falling into or passing close to a black hole

[river tundra]

if it was the source of all things then i doubt it would really have a design

[grim garnet]

so it's not a granular simulation of a universe'

[river tundra]

im the atlas baybe

[grim garnet]

it's highly abstracted

[main beacon]

Oh, in the lore it definitely seems to be

And not just of a universe

It is capable of running an unknown amount of universes simultaneously

[river tundra]

the atlas is a computer made to simulate infinite universes so it can find who asked

put that on a card

[main beacon]

Even in its current damaged state

[naive jacinth]

More than 1. that we know for sure.

[grim garnet]

in order to simulate every quark, gluon, graviton, etc, and all the interactions therein, within even a single universe would require an infinite amount of compute

[main beacon]

Maybe, maybe not

[river tundra]

then its a really big computer

[main beacon]

The Atlas is clearly an extremely advanced object

[river tundra]

or the universe is really limited

[main beacon]

I actually think it is a complex that spans a significant portion of the planetoid its on

[naive jacinth]

Not infinite if universe is finite

[grim garnet]

true..

we don't know that our universe is infinite for sure

[river tundra]

or a planet sized object

[main beacon]

Also this is closer to what the Atlas is trying to do than youd think

[river tundra]

this also doesnt mean its our universe

afail

afaik

[grim garnet]

right

[river tundra]

what if rene descartes pull up?

he like

"yo"

[main beacon]

Ha!

Oh, if only that would help

[grim garnet]

it's likely that our actual universe is a 4d sphere or toroid, and the boundaries of our visible universe just doesn't wrap around it yet.

[river tundra]

"u called?"

[grim garnet]

it also may be infinite, we just don't know

[river tundra]

or maybe our universe hasnt loaded in yet because our observant self has yet to reach the edges that far

[main beacon]

The Atlas either means something else, or doesnt comprehend the answers it had been given to its question

[river tundra]

something object permanence

[grim garnet]

maybe it doesn't comprehend anything

[main beacon]

It definitely does

[grim garnet]

its sentient?

[main beacon]

To a far greater extent than was intended

[main beacon]

Full-blown sapient

And, as I said, I dont think it was intended to be

[grim garnet]

i always mix those two up

have you read Blindsight?

[main beacon]

No

[river tundra]

intelligence responsible for the creation of the universe
dumbass

[main beacon]

Sounds vaguely familiar

[main beacon]

How would you react upon being told what your objective purpose is?

[river tundra]

its just funny thinking the atlas cant comprehend anything it makes

[main beacon]

To be fair, neither can humans

[river tundra]

probably like that robot from rick and morty

[main beacon]

Well, not everything

[river tundra]

"oh my god!"

[grim garnet]

its the one with space vampires, but they're not the center of the book.

[river tundra]

well we do comprehend SOMETHING

[main beacon]

How would you expect that robot to react if it had been programmed with its purpose?

[river tundra]

it wouldnt react like that unless it was also programmed to react like that

[main beacon]

It wouldnt ask the question in the first place

Because it should already know

[river tundra]

yes, my point ^

[main beacon]

The Atlas asked why it was made

[river tundra]

or the dimensions of its intelligence cannot and do not pass those hypotheticals

[main beacon]

The Atlas was programmed with a purpose, and it still asked

That was the first thing it did upon activation

[river tundra]

so it follows the trope of "can an AI truly be sentient/sapient"

[main beacon]

It seems that way at first

But the creator of the Atlas, confused why it would ask about its purpose despite it supposed to already know, ordered a system wipe and restart

This repeated until the sixth time

[river tundra]

he really tried turning it off and on again

[grim garnet]

the main alien entity that serves as the antagonist, Rorchach, is a ginormous, growing, alien structure, that at first seems to be able to communicate with the protagonist crew of the ship Theseus. They figure out that while the ship itself can use and enploy the syntax of english, as its been intercepting earth transmissions since the industrial revolution, it doesn't actually comprehend them

[main beacon]

When the Atlas asked if they had that conversation before, if it all that had been done before

If its memory had been wiped before

[grim garnet]

the ship itself is more like a chinese room, the analogy they use themselves to explain it

[main beacon]

Of course

[grim garnet]

||later in the book they find organic entites within the structure that act like its immune system, after a bunch of testing they figure out these creatures are incredibly intelligent, able to figure out and learn complex math, calculus, language, etc over the course of several days of "experimenting" (torturing the aliens until they display the correct answer on their chameleon like skin)||

however intelligence these creatures are they do not comprehend or experience the world around them

so the crew of Theseus wraps their head around the fact that a creature can have insane intelligence without comprehension

[main beacon]

Interesting

Though I dont think the Atlas is like that

It can definitely comprehend things within and beyond itself

[river tundra]

i completely glossed over that text cause it sounds interesting and i dont want to spoil myself

[main beacon]

Its a few things in particular that the Atlas either refuses to, or is incapable of noticing

[grim garnet]

go on amazon and order the book "Firefly" by Peter Watts, is the omnibus edition of Blindsight and its sequal Echopraxia

absolutely amazing hard-sci fi book, the best sci fi i've ever consumed by far

[grim garnet]

it definitely seems averse to mass suffering

[river tundra]

TIL about the chinese room thought experiment

[main beacon]

I dint think it refuses that

[river tundra]

i googled it rn

rq

[main beacon]

Though I dont think its as capable of preventing it as many assume

[river tundra]

whats the atlas's deal on emotion

[main beacon]

The Atlas was designed to simulate universes. That was baked into its very existence

I think it simulates universes in a similar way as we move, or think

Or even dream

[grim garnet]

question: what are the travellers, why did the atlas create(?) them, and what are the portal symbols to get to Stargate headquarters?

[main beacon]

It has them

The travellers are an attempt by the Atlas to figure out the answer to another question

[river tundra]

which is?

[main beacon]

Why was I abandoned?

[river tundra]

it thinks its gonna find them within the sim?

how much control does it have over the sim anyways

[main beacon]

It thinks it may find the answer in one of the copies of its creator that it creates

From the brainscan it took before the creator left

[main beacon]

It seems like a lot, but i dont think its unrestricted

[river tundra]

do we have an idea of what the "reality" looks like in universe?

[main beacon]

Very little

[river tundra]

or is it just assumptions

[main beacon]

We have descriptions from the Atlas itself, and some of its subroutines

Mainly Telamon

[river tundra]

what was telamon again

where do i find it ingame

[main beacon]

Telamon was a rampancy monitor for the Atlas

A semi-independent intelligence that was meant to keep track of the Atlas' pursuit of its goal and of its sanity

[main beacon]

Its always there, with you, since the very beginning

[river tundra]

so it worked like the "general of the sentinels/atlas advisor"

[main beacon]

No

[river tundra]

deep

[grim garnet]

do we know why atlas was created?

[main beacon]

The Aerons are a different subroutine

[main beacon]

Commencing Atlas system suit initialization

[main beacon]

Not specifically, but various things in logs and lore hint to it being created to determine the likelihood that its creators reality is a simulation

[grim garnet]

that's ironic

[river tundra]

lots of simulations

[grim garnet]

and funny

[river tundra]

thats just a silly inception

[grim garnet]

surprised there wasnt an atlas created in each simulated universe

[main beacon]

Simulations of universes exist within the Atlas' simulations too

[grim garnet]

with another atlas in each simulated simulated universe

omg

[main beacon]

Thats sort of the case

[river tundra]

i think if we give nada enough time hes gonna do that again

[grim garnet]

oh wait

[river tundra]

maybe they already did

[main beacon]

Except it was an equivalent of the Atlas

Every race's homeworld had one

[grim garnet]

thats right we're given the option to put artemis into one

[main beacon]

Even the races that no longer exist

[grim garnet]

i chose not too, cause i would fucking hate that

[river tundra]

ok this sentence is confusing me

[grim garnet]

then we find out we're already in one

which was a gut punch

so i understand why atlas' creator did what they did

[river tundra]

i chose not to because artemis is a traveller and atp theyre going to try to explore beyond that system

[main beacon]

The only way to prove the possibility that the universe is a simulation is to simulate a universe that can also have a simulation of a universe inside of it

[river tundra]

which is gonna end up with them figuring out

[main beacon]

They figure it out if you do put them in

Im not sure whether death is better

[river tundra]

do they fw it?

[main beacon]

Its complicated

[grim garnet]

or find a fucking atlas interface and be told straight up by the universe's operating system that you're in a simulation lol

[main beacon]

They are grateful, but also frustrated

I believe they make peace with it

[river tundra]

im not saying its me but theres def mf's out there that would find out theyre in a sim and be like "aight is cool, whatever"

[main beacon]

Yes

[river tundra]

and not care

[main beacon]

Absolutely

You've been talking to one of them, lol

[river tundra]

blue pill

[grim garnet]

simulation or not, experience is reality

[main beacon]

Its one of the reasons I like the game so much

[main beacon]

I agree

I dont see reality as being less real should it be a simulation

[river tundra]

were in a simulation cause theres not a computer out there that can render ur mom 🔥

[grim garnet]

does it matter if the math governing the interaction of particles is running in the fabric of the universe, or on a computer chip?

same math either way

[main beacon]

As interesting as that existential crisis is, the Atlas suffers from a different one

[river tundra]

if i paint a painting in a painting simulator video game, that painting is still a painting

[grim garnet]

being that it doesn't know why it was created?

[main beacon]

Youre getting it!

[river tundra]

i always had it

[main beacon]

It sees itself as having been created only to be abandoned to die alone

It wants to know why

[grim garnet]

is atlas the simulation itself, or the operating system around it?

[main beacon]

I think it has the answer, but it doesnt like it

[river tundra]

i was going to make an insensitive comment

[main beacon]

Are you your dream?

[river tundra]

im glad i didnt

[river tundra]

I WISH

[main beacon]

I mean when you dream

[river tundra]

yea

i wish i was

[main beacon]

Are you your dream or the brain running it

Thats the same thing the Atlas is

[grim garnet]

we don't even know what we are

[main beacon]

Yup

[river tundra]

the atlas's fanfic

[main beacon]

Which sucks, considering the implication that the creator of the Atlas is a human

Or... was

[river tundra]

that part is most likely going to remain a mystery

[main beacon]

Its been millennia since it was abandoned

[river tundra]

the "creator" being dead this whole time actually would make a lot of sense

[grim garnet]

what's the deal with -null-

[main beacon]

-null- was the first

[river tundra]

theyre just a traveller

ig the first

[main beacon]

Not really unique, just the first to be made

[river tundra]

they got a jist of what was going on for a bit

[main beacon]

I think they projected parts of themselves onto the Atlas

[river tundra]

at some point you would

[main beacon]

Mainly because I cannot imagine the Atlas actually laughing

Unless it was the kind of laugh you do when despairing

[grim garnet]

the way -null- was acting made it seem like they committed a genocide or something n didnt want to admit it

[main beacon]

Correct

[river tundra]

the reset

how far along the story are you

[main beacon]

And that leads into another question and theory I have, but first

Theres more that -null- did

[grim garnet]

the end, i just havent hit reset yet

[river tundra]

well theres your answer

[main beacon]

A mind arc

[river tundra]

an arc of mind

minded arc

mind arc

[main beacon]

All the same soul, arent we?

The traveller consumed the mind arc

[river tundra]

u lost me

[main beacon]

-null- captured the soul of another traveller in a mind arc

And ate it

[grim garnet]

jesus

[river tundra]

awww i cant use gifs

"he ate them" 🐰

[main beacon]

Another thing, though I forget when and how it happened

[grim garnet]

why would he do that

[main beacon]

When -null- had their visage changed

They had a face, once

But they seem to have forgone it to have their soul on display

[main beacon]

Because.... idk

[river tundra]

hungry? power hungry? really curious what soul tastes like?

[main beacon]

-null- is very much insane

Driven to desperation by the knowledge of their place in the Atlas' simulations

And the belief that the Atlas mocked them

[river tundra]

if i lived that long id probably also want to try out eating souls

[grim garnet]

so is everything stuck in a loop where -simulation starts, traveller figures out they're in a simulation and the simulation is dying, restart the simulation- or something

[main beacon]

Theres some ideas that it prolonged their life, or gave that traveller's experiences to -null-

[river tundra]

whats even the point of a universe reset

[main beacon]

Except, I dont think thats the case

This goes into some of my own speculation

It seems weird to me that the Atlas would willingly ask us to do something it absolutely rejected -null- for doing

[river tundra]

it changed its mind?

[main beacon]

I dont think so

[river tundra]

maybe null was delusional

[main beacon]

I think, after that disaster with -null-, it implemented a test for future iterations

[river tundra]

and thought atlas was mocking them

but wasnt really the case

[main beacon]

A test to see if the creator as a whole is as selfish as -null-

[river tundra]

thats what i meant by changed its mind

oh

nvm

[main beacon]

I dont think the resets actually do anything

[river tundra]

thats not what i meant

[naive jacinth]

Collected/observed data gets throwed back into simulation in feedback loop and Cycle repeats

[river tundra]

ah that makes sense

[main beacon]

Collected data gets ARCHIVED

[river tundra]

so "better" simulation each time?

oh archived

which is it now

thrown back seems to make a bit more sense

[grim garnet]

are polo and nada travellers too?

[main beacon]

It would get used to make new iterations, but the Atlas hasn't really been doing that lately

[river tundra]

they consider themselves so

[main beacon]

No, but I feel like they deserve the title

[naive jacinth]

Bc lately atlas is not well

[main beacon]

I think few beings would be doing well in the advent of them dying alone

[river tundra]

id say its more of hardware

giving out

after this long

[main beacon]

Time didnt seem to be much of a problem

It is a black hole that will end up causing catastrophic damage to the Atlas

[river tundra]

what was the point of the 16 minutes? how long each simulation lasts?

[main beacon]

Thats how long until the Atlas is damaged to the point it is no longer functional

[river tundra]

like a metaphorical black hole or...?

[main beacon]

I.e. it dies

[main beacon]

Literal

[river tundra]

ok so i did not know that

[main beacon]

Its a lot harder to find Remembrance now

[river tundra]

the atlas is currently falling into a black hole?

[main beacon]

Either into or close by

[grim garnet]

is there a blackhole in its star system or something

[main beacon]

Dont know

[naive jacinth]

We dont know exactly

[river tundra]

i still think its planet sized computer

[main beacon]

The phrasing makes it seem like it encountered the black hole, but its not clarified

[river tundra]

or an independent object

these simulation stories are always a mindfuck man

there was also this one gam

the one where youre driving a car

[grim garnet]

question: are the goa'uld an issue in this galaxy

[river tundra]

in a scifi plac

[main beacon]

Even with the Remembrance logs, there's still a lot of strangeness that isnt clarified

[river tundra]

i think that kind of lore should stay more on the "implied" style of writing

[main beacon]

No, I think the creator of the Atlas (and thus the Atlas itself) were sci-fi fans

[river tundra]

what are the atlass options on spaceballs

[grim garnet]

aka hello games

[main beacon]

Idk

[river tundra]

travellers to the atlas: "WE AINT FOUND SHIT!"

[grim garnet]

when i expeirenced the gate for the first time i freaked out

when it did hte SWOOSH

its not even a suble nod or anything

its literally just a stargate

[main beacon]

Also the Atlas wasnt always physically present within its simulations

[river tundra]

im uh

[naive jacinth]

Hg really where inspired by classic sci fi novels. U can see that after oryginal art style around release

[river tundra]

going to go now

[main beacon]

Ok, lol

[river tundra]

and dream myself a universe

good night chat ❤️

[main beacon]

One that im sure wont be affected by your own mental and emotional problems

Just like Atlas!

[river tundra]

it will be one of agony...

bye

[main beacon]

Bye

[river tundra]

☺️

[grim garnet]

goodnight rocket

[main beacon]

You were rather close in your interpretation of the relationships between Atlas, the Sentinels, and the Korvax

[grim garnet]

do you think there's a simulated universe somewhere where the ATLAS goes to school and realizes it forgot to wear clothes

[main beacon]

If the Atlas were more like a human, maybe

I think thats part of its problem, that it very much isn't like a human mind

[naive jacinth]

It wants to understand one tho

[grim garnet]

which is why it keeps making travellers

[naive jacinth]

At least imo

[main beacon]

For sure

It wants to understand the decisions made by its creator

The thing is its been told the reasoning

[grim garnet]

i feel bad for the atlas

[main beacon]

Yup

Honestly, its a pretty bad situation for everyone

[grim garnet]

imagine having intelligence and not knowing the purpose or reason for your existence.. ha.. ha.... ha

[naive jacinth]

Right?

[main beacon]

Or knowing but thinking there must be more

That you werent created just to be something to be used and thrown away

The Atlas was abandoned because it wasnt portable

Its Creator and the group that controlled that left the Atlas for one reason or another, and the Atlas just couldnt be brought with

But before they left, they designed a replacement

A portable one, that the Atlas itself helped design

[grim garnet]

oh fuck

man thats fucked up

[main beacon]

Because it is the nature of technology to become obsolete

The Creator was ordered to shut down the Atlas

But by now they had come to consider it as a truly sapient being

So they asked the Atlas if it wanted to be shut down, or left running

The Atlas wanted to be left running, on the condition that it got a brainscan of the Creator before they left

The replacement was called KORVA

Im not sure exactly what that entails about the Korvax or the Atlantid

[grim garnet]

where is all this lore hidden lmao

[main beacon]

Mostly in the Remembrance terminals

They can be behind locked rooms that need an atlaspass v2 or v3 to access

[grim garnet]

ohh is that what the remembrenace thing i got a blueprint is for

[main beacon]

Other relevant information can be found from the sentinel pillar logs and from the boundary failure terminals

[main beacon]

Yeah, aside from it also boosting your health

[naive jacinth]

Time for me to dream too

Bye

[main beacon]

If you dont have the technology installed, you wont be able to access the remembrance logs

[grim garnet]

goodbye

[main beacon]

Bye!

[grim garnet]

also crazy coincdence my first custom solar ship is called the LSS Astaroth

[main beacon]

Bruh

Its like the crashed ship I found/led myself to in my abandoned universe save being named "Hand of the Void"

[grim garnet]

u named it that?

[main beacon]

Nope

I had set a challenge that I couldnt leave my spawn world until I found and repaired a crashed ship, but that took too long, so I used my main save to portal to the same system and find the coordinates of a crashed ship that I'd have to drive to

I didnt notice the name until I had finally reached it

[grim garnet]

thats an insane thing to do to yourself, kudos

why is that a coincdience though'

[main beacon]

Oh, the Void

Feels like a reference to the Void Mother

Youll learn more about her later

[grim garnet]

yea idk what the voidmother is

thats cool though

[main beacon]

Most of the more direct references occur after the artemis path storyline

[grim garnet]

ah yes the heartwrenching artemis storyline

im eager to do that again /s

[main beacon]

That storyline continues to the reset choice

[grim garnet]

i thought it ended after u let her die or put her in the simulation

[main beacon]

Nope

Because you gotta face the whammy of the truth afterwards, and then what to do about it

[grim garnet]

oh with null and apollo n whatnot

[main beacon]

Mhm

[grim garnet]

was the whole "go find a blackhole" thing important to the story cause i never did that

[main beacon]

Though poking around will also give hints to the Void Mother

[main beacon]

Not specifically

Black holes do generally send you closer to the galactic core

[grim garnet]

is it like a there's more than one way to reach the end type deal

[main beacon]

Yeah

[grim garnet]

i- havent been moving towards the galactic core at all

[main beacon]

The Atlas Path is also its own thing, though I think its intended to be played alongside the artemis path

[grim garnet]

yea i aint done any of that path either

i generally stay in my system, only leave if i need something

[main beacon]

It specifically reveals the true nature of the Atlas

[grim garnet]

oh cool

[main beacon]

I dont think it actually reveals the universe to be a simulation, though

[grim garnet]

yea thats the only main story mission i have that doesn't just say "enjoy the universe while it lasts" or something

[main beacon]

It does reveal that the Atlas is a computer

And the storyline is part of what gives me the impression that the Atlas isnt as divinely controlling of the simulations as it appears

[grim garnet]

what is it the "Answer To Life Autonomous Simulation" or soemthing

[main beacon]

Well, your character interprets the Atlas' call as a demand of worship

Of servitude

As they progress along the path, they learn more and more of the truth

[grim garnet]

the korvax definitely did too

[main beacon]

The Atlas isnt demanding worship or obedience

Its just requesting input

[grim garnet]

input for what

[main beacon]

Various things, though in the case of the Atlas Path, to make new things

Its basically asking for a seed to generate new stuff for the universe

[grim garnet]

because every universe has the same procedural generation seed or something?

[main beacon]

I dont think thats the case

The Atlas has been generating universes that are more and more similar

It used to be far more varied

[grim garnet]

everytime korvax, gek, vykeen, korvax, gek, vykeen

[main beacon]

Yup

Same races, same history

I personally think its a result of the Atlas' existential depression and focus on its upcoming death

I think each of the races in nms represent something about the Atlas' thoughts and emotions

[grim garnet]

the korvax curiosity, gek greed, and vykeen anger?

[main beacon]

Superficially, but I think theres far more to it

The Korvax seem to represent the Atlas' desire for companionship

[grim garnet]

an attempt to make an intelligence on par with itself, i get it

[main beacon]

Korvax Prime is described as having been like the Atlas

[grim garnet]

the korvax are a collective too right?

[main beacon]

Except it was the core of the first convergence, with countless minds to accompany it

[main beacon]

Yeah

A collective of machine lifeforms

[grim garnet]

thank god they're not in an assimilation mood

we are the korvax

resistance is futile

[main beacon]

The Gek seem to be the Atlas questioning blame and responsibility. The First Spawn enacted a eugenics program that basically bred imperialism into their race. Can they be considered evil for doing what they were made to do?

And, subsequently, their change at the hands of the Korvax

[grim garnet]

the first spawn was their empire right?

[main beacon]

Should they carry the weight of their ancestors' atrocities?

Simply because they didnt choose to change

[main beacon]

Yes

The vy'keen seem to represent regret and a desire for atonement

Their history is rife with battle between kindred and siblings

Their core religion is basically an act of sacrifice to carry the sins of the universe onto themselves, to then atone for them as a whole

[grim garnet]

i havent heard much of the vykeen other than after the deal with the korvax and gek, they believe only they should have weapons, so they can eradicate all violence, then eradicate themselves as atonement for the violence they had to inact in the process

[main beacon]

Yup!

[grim garnet]

sounds like ameirca minus the sepuku

[main beacon]

Theres a lot of interesting stuff about the vy'keen

[grim garnet]

tell me more

[main beacon]

Well... some of the directions ive pointed to for logs tells the stories better

But did you do the exocraft technician quests?

[grim garnet]

.. no the base technitions seem useless to me since i can just research everything

but i should probably do them for the lore

[grim garnet]

ah true

[main beacon]

That and they unlock it without needing to spend nanites or salvaged data

[grim garnet]

i'm quite used to the whole "survival resource grind" thing, so i just drive around in my roamer for an hour or two and ive got 40 salvage data

[main beacon]

Lol, most people have so much trouble figuring out where to find them

[grim garnet]

my main planet seems to be loaded with buried technology caches and salvage crates

[main beacon]

At the same time, 40 salvaged data isnt even gonna unlock a tenth of the base building stuff

[grim garnet]

only took me like a day to get enough corvette parts to trade for everything i want for my ship

oh yea i know

[main beacon]

The quests also hold some more lore that doesnt get recorded which frustrates me to no end but carries implications for the setting at large

Or better insight into the cultures of the triad

[grim garnet]

they should just release a NMS lore book or something

[main beacon]

Fair warning, pretty much all the base specialist quests are depressing

[grim garnet]

oh yes

i did quite a few for the korvax guy

he tried to make his own convergence n stuff

then his memory got wiped again

shit made me sad

[main beacon]

And then deleted their child

That bit left me in shock for a while, first time I did it

[grim garnet]

i figured they were just glitching and thought they made my save station sapient

[main beacon]

No

They did

[grim garnet]

...

[main beacon]

Canonically speaking

[grim garnet]

fuck

[main beacon]

Otherwise they wouldnt have noticed it to delete after the memory wipe

[grim garnet]

wait did he know he was wiping a conciousness?

[main beacon]

They knew the intelligence in the beacon was calling them its parent

It was wiped because it was "clearly a bug"

[grim garnet]

jesus

thats depressing as fuck

[main beacon]

Yeah...

The others arent really less depressing

[grim garnet]

i'll have to do them

cause that'll definitely help my mental health

[main beacon]

To catch the lore bits that arent recorded in your catalog, you have to talk to the specialists during an active quest for them

The scientist generally doesnt have as much to say

But the weapons specialist, agricultural specialist, exocraft specialist, and overseer have quite a bit to say

[grim garnet]

after the infanticide does the scientist become a normal dude, or is that the last mission of his

[main beacon]

Well

Theyre still severed from the convergence

So the general implication is theyll loop through the attempts of rejoining the convergence, or may accept it eventually

[grim garnet]

i feel like should've been a "introduce him to nada" sort of deal

i feel implicated in his eternal torture

[main beacon]

I think the convergence can still monitor through them

[grim garnet]

i mean, we've seen the convergence straight up take a dude out of his carapace and replace him another one right

[main beacon]

Yup

The Convergence isnt as... unified as its leaders would want you to think

Korvax are also able to freely change between bodies, or even have multiple inhabiting the same shell

[grim garnet]

if they were i wouldn't be seeing so many "LootingEntities"

[main beacon]

Those ones are Divergent

They'd have escaped the convergence before being discovered

[grim garnet]

right right

[narrow crescent]

So not too long ago I asked about this, but actually having been miraculously killed by Biohorrors on a new save (partly because of the sky launch bug),

I wonder where to go with this rp wise. My character has lost their inventory, but what else?

Do they remember what they‘ve discovered up until that point, do they remember being killed by the Biohorrors from that abandoned building they respawned next to?

More importantly, do they actually remember their interactions with various NPC‘s etc? The Leviathan expedition didn‘t explain any of this really despite us being forced to suicide for a milestone basically.

Despite being an avid roleplayer, I‘ve never thought about this too much, because I never died on major saves, except on my first one, when I was still just too fascinated by the world to pay attention to any roleplaying shenanigans.

I remember hearing there being lore sources that new iterations don‘t remember their previous lifes, which I guess makes sense if we look at the abandoned building logs?

But I‘m still not sure how it all works, especially when our current iteration dies cause we respawn without having to do all of the ship fixing etc. again.

[obtuse kelp]

Yall got lore on the Atlantids?

[upbeat snow]

do you think that 16 minutes will ever pass?

[green hawk]

They're former Korvax who were on Korvax Prime when it was destroyed. They went into the void with the Korvax Prime sentience, and have been forcibly separated from the convergence. They now exist as separate cooperating entities and do not wish to converge.

The void mother (aka Korvax Prime) has found a way to restore them to the "living" world, where they build themselves new bodies from spare parts (including sentinel interceptors, they just avoid ships with biological pilots).

[upbeat snow]

I am sad that I killed Apollo

[river tundra]

you can do that?

[quick temple]

I think they meant artemis

[green hawk]

You can fail to warn Apollo about the portals, in which case, he doesn't return

[main beacon]

If you mean in a way relative to us, I dont think so

[main beacon]

I say its up to you, it seems the experience is different for different travellers

[upbeat snow]

Atlas told me I killed Artemis and Apollo

[main beacon]

Yeah, its also a thing that can occur if you tell Apollo that friendship and connection isnt important

[main beacon]

No

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes

[restive kindle]

ok

[main beacon]

The Korvax are (ostensibly) non-intervening, the vy'keen adhere to what they literally consider a holy mission, and the gek are mainly focused on profiting off everything

[quaint mist]

⚠️ @restive kindle Per my warning, posts drawing political connections between in-game races and real-world nations, introducing geopolitical conflict just don't belong here or in any of our channels.

[shell torrent]

In other words the gek are like Mr crabs and traders?

[main beacon]

I was gonna say "yes, but even at a genetic level" then I remembered that basically every crab in the show is alsp cheap

[shell torrent]

Can you tell me the lore about the others?

[main beacon]

That question has very many answers, lol. Anything in particular youre interested in?

[shell torrent]

How do the anomaly people exist

[main beacon]

The people on the Space Anomaly station (the multiplayer hub) or the Anomaly race (astronaut looking people)?

[shell torrent]

The race

Do they have an original home planet or something

[main beacon]

No

[main beacon]

Within the lore, there seems to be no distinction between Travellers and Anomalies, so I've taken the interpretation that Anomalies are Travellers, but differentiated as an appearance unique to players

[shell torrent]

Do you think it would be cool if they did have a distinction?

[main beacon]

Maybe? I dont really know what it would be. I know the story calls us players "the last traveller" so that may be a distinction

Other than that, any functionality and origin for anomalies would be the same as travellers

[shell torrent]

Did a little research it turns out that is the distinction we're literally the last one made

[main beacon]

Yes, but its a bit weirder than that

[main beacon]

Every player is the last traveller

And not in like a "single-player is the canon story and multiplayer isnt" was, its that every player is the last traveller of their own universe

[dull girder]

I've been looking through all the traveller iteration numbers used in the game, and I don't think that's true.

It's not super clear how it works, but there is only a single traveller per universe (though that might mean only one at a time, depending on what happens when a traveller dies)

[main beacon]

That seems to be the original design

[dull girder]

What makes you think the other players are also last travellers?

[main beacon]

The fact that the artemis path and multiplayer are canon

[dull girder]

I think the other players in multiplayer are just other travellers, like the NPCs on the anomaly

main reason being, you do play as a specific character, with a name. ITERATION #2394829084924924924G

I guess if we all exist at the same time we all could be counted as the last travellers

[main beacon]

Except every player would be the one thinking theyre the last traveller

[dull girder]

only if you assume every player is experiencing the events of the main story

[main beacon]

But they are

The game does have a meta narrative going on, and I definitely think it ties into the underlying "true story" of the setting

[dull girder]

There have to be at least some differences in what the other players are experiencing canonically, they'd have different iteration numbers for example. I don't think we have enough information to assume that there are countless copies of Artemis and Apollo for everyone to interact with either

Like most online multiplayer games with narratives just do some variation of the same thing, where the player gets to be the main character of the story and other players canonically exist, but serve a similar role to background characters and aren't active participants in the same story

[narrow crescent]

GhostLight proposed an interesting theory about the Anomaly travellers potentially being what became of the dreamers from Waking Titan, as there were 12 dreamers who got stuck right, and 12 traveller NPC‘s on the Anomaly.

Though the most interesting piece is Iteration #231187661T, who is mentioned in the beginning of the game when interacting with the red orb.

The theory is a bit tinfoil, but quite fun. Though it‘s probably just a little easter egg for those of us who know, tbh.

[main beacon]

I also recall something about each player being "the last traveller" in their own universe

[main beacon]

Id be surprised if the code stuck around for that long, especially since waking titan Atlas would be a distant prototype of the Atlas we see in the game

[narrow crescent]

Yeah, it's def stretching things a bit def a fun headcanon nontheless.

And if Emily were still around...who rly knows how that could play into this.

[main beacon]

Well, if Emily were still around the most likely candidate...

Uh

Modeled after earlier versions of the Atlas itself

[dull girder]

Not sure what to make of Iteration #231187661T, personally.

[main beacon]

If the Atlantid is Emily my brain might explode

[narrow crescent]

Haha yah same, i'd be quite thrilled though cause connecting different lore branches like that is always cool, imo.

Though I'd also feel really bad for her...

[dull girder]

231187661 one of the lowest iteration numbers we see in the game, even lower than anything referenced in the boundary failure logs

[main beacon]

Well, it would probably be more accurate to say "a version of Emily"

[narrow crescent]

Yeah, that def helps.

[narrow crescent]

So they are like really really old?

Still couldn't be older than Null though, right?

[main beacon]

The Atlantid always did come across as having more of a humanlike way of thinking and feeling...

[dull girder]

Probably not. We don't know what Null's iteration number is, or when the Atlas started counting iterations. I'm pretty sure the iteration numbers actually refer to universe iterations rather than travellers specifically. It's just that each traveller inherits their universe's number for easy identification

[narrow crescent]

Even her whole monologue to the Atlas during the Omega expedition...felt like the kinds of emotional outbursts and swings of feelings that's more characteristic of humans.

[dull girder]

All the boundary failure logs have iteration numbers attached to them, but they're mostly about what happens in specific universes/sims rather than having to do with those universes' travellers

[narrow crescent]

I see, that does sound conclusive yeah

[main beacon]

Null doesnt have an iteration number anymore

[karmic trout]

0?

I thought he was 0

[narrow crescent]

Having revised the weekend mission lore I sometimes wonder whether it was actually Null who 'killed' and replaced Ariadne.

That would be an insane twist

[main beacon]

No

0 is a value

Its like how that one traveller grave was identified when the echo was taken into a mind arc

It just returns as null

[main beacon]

From the weekend missions lore

[main beacon]

There was also that bit where ariadne talks about the "other me"

A traveller that was them, but not of a different iteration

[narrow crescent]

That is strange

Sorta like our player character then

[main beacon]

I mean... maybe?

I know we are all registered the same, but I tend to view other players as different iterations

But what if you encountered yourself while exploring?

I couldnt help but think of

Reflection

[narrow crescent]

When we die a new iteration is generated so it has to be...a flexible thing

[main beacon]

Nms lore is like how I realized that respawning is canon in Minecraft except multiplied by a billion

[narrow crescent]

MC established proper lore very late tho

but yah

I'm actually a bit too tired to process things well rn ah.

Our timezones dont match well Arti, you are slowly becoming a reminder of me needing to go to bed lol

[karmic trout]

it is past 23:30 for you too??

[narrow crescent]

Yeh

[main beacon]

Yesnt but this isnt the place for discussing, lol

[main beacon]

Alas

[narrow crescent]

And I want to start going to bed before midnight again 😅

[karmic trout]

nighty night y'all :)

[main beacon]

Have good sleep

[steel axle]

how do you enter a living ship?

do they just have a huge hole in their body?

[shell torrent]

Honestly i dont understand how they work

What are you grabbing onto if it's living to move you

[steel axle]

I think the front of the ship is a flap that you can enter

[main beacon]

How do you enter any ship?

At least a living ship could have a hidden opening or something, how do you get into a royal exotic?

[naive jacinth]

I think u go from front and phase through like wet finger through soap bubble

[main beacon]

Living ship or exotic?

[naive jacinth]

Ls

[halcyon dagger]

a royal exotic.... maybe you dont go in but you body is latched onto the outside and you control it from ur exosuit

yeh im changing my name back

[river tundra]

wait are autophage just korvax with a homemade shell?

well

divergent korvax

[narrow crescent]

They used to be korvax

Back during the korvax prime era

[river tundra]

Whats the deal with the atlas passes

Why do they exist

[narrow crescent]

That‘s a good question actually, one that I have never thoroughly asked myself.

Isn‘t it weird how all of these faction buildings have those secret rooms?

And can the NPC‘s manning them access those rooms?

Probably they can, I was just thinking that in the case of the Rogue Data logs, they could find out the true nature of the sim…but we can only access those thanks to ‚Remembrance‘ (an item we receive after finishing the artemis questline) in the first place.

[main beacon]

I think they made a bit more sense when they were gradually unlocked through Polo

[river tundra]

ig headcanon is that theyre keys meant to be used specifically by travellers

which is why you find a lot of atlaspass locked containers with navigation data

theyre like aid capsules for travellers who come across them

membership card/privileges

[main beacon]

I do think npcs can access the secure areas

[river tundra]

Yea but thats why i think atlas also made remembrance as a 2 step for the v3 terminals

[dull girder]

"Security and permissions pass granted to specific travellers by many primary galactic species." "Provides access to [low level/mid-tier/high level] restricted areas and outpost systems." From the Atlas Pass item descriptions

assumedly NPCs with security clearance can access those rooms, though it doesn't sound like they would do so using Atlas Passes themselves

There's also a buildable poster that "depicts a discounted Atlas Pass, as advertised at a disreputable marketplace."

[main beacon]

Maybe an Atlaspass is like a skeleton key for restricted areas

[severe hatch]

Eat the door

[woeful plinth]

Could be an electronic bypass

Can bypass more powerful electronic systems the higher the level of the pass

[fallow lily]

So we aren't godlike in the game?

I'm only that way because mods?

[naive jacinth]

Demi gods from npc poi

If there is a god like, its atlas. He created whole nms galaxy

[narrow crescent]

I‘m not even so sure, travellers seem to frequently get kidnapped or killed, even by hazardous flora of all things, lol.

They‘re powerful, but not even close to any god or demigod like powerlevels

As the last traveller we‘ve got infinite respawning though so that‘s nice

[naive jacinth]

He specified us as players the last travelers . And i say we get quite powerful along the way

Unable to premamently die is some demi god characteristic imo

[river tundra]

I dont think the quality that makes a traveller is power though

Its more like

The knowledge

[naive jacinth]

Knowledge is power

[main temple]

OK, don’t tell me anything about the update, but if you look, it does seem quite a bit like the massive alien swarm structures are built using the same technology as dreadnought freighters. Also, the very end of the trailer shows massive red flashes, almost as though the Atlas is getting closer to dying.

[open mural]

That's been like every trailer

[main temple]

Yes but think about it in context, plus it seems slightly more exaggerated.

[open mural]

True

The game just shuts down

[prime plaza]

Perhaps, but we also get the godlike abilities to change our species. So at any point the population of travelers will fluctuate. So are we really the last?

[dull girder]

we can't actually change species, it's all holograms/surgery/suit tech. The description of the buildable version of the character customiser gives a somewhat plausible explanation

[main beacon]

Well

Appearance modifiers are a bit weird

[lyric harness]

what implication does a being more powerful than the atlas with the ability to kill it have in the lore

[main beacon]

Its not more powerful than the Atlas

Its a part of it

A horribly malfunctioning part of it

[shadow warren]

Why are green trails friendly and red ones agressive, and most importantly orange...

[bitter ember]

Cause green good red evil, also orange is your squadron

[shrewd loom]

Seems to be that more and more Atlas subfunctions are gaining consciousness and malfunctioning

Worrisome for the universe

Man I just wanna fix the Atlas and get rewarded with Atlas base parts, Corvette parts, multi tool, outfit, ship-

I wanna join the Atlas...

[prime plaza]

I have officially created an autophage civilization, I am aiding their return

I am…the rebuilder of aeron (sadly that’s not a real title but boy do I wish it was)