nms-lore

[chilly harbor]

the only way that the 19th minute at least for me could happen is if the Void Mother were to gain full control of the simulation and somehow increase the time span of it

[main beacon]

Several Traveller philosophers debating in the Space Anomaly

[dull girder]

also what makes three minutes past the end of the Atlas so important, specifically? Why not talk about surviving past the 17th or even 16th minute? (Aside from thematically, 9 being an inversion of 6 ofc)

[naive jacinth]

When we get glyphs. It was counting down or up?

[main beacon]

The number of glyphs doesnt change with the countdown

[chilly harbor]

It is mentioned the Atlas is scared of dying and at least to my interpretation of it the Atlas is repeating it because it is truly scared of dying

[main beacon]

The Atlas is not afraid of dying, it is afraid of dying alone

[chilly harbor]

it is limited in thought and it is showing it's way of being scared

[chilly harbor]

that too

[main beacon]

No, specifically that

[chilly harbor]

aight

it hopes that it could also see it's creator one last time but I do not think that will happen

what has already happend is that the Void Mother is actually rising in power

[main beacon]

The Atlas doesnt call out to the creator merely because it is dying

[naive jacinth]

Imo it will happen

How atlas dreamed it

[chilly harbor]

it's already happening

[main beacon]

It calls out because it wants to know why it was abandoned, why it must face its death alone

[main beacon]

We dont know the identity of the figure

[chilly harbor]

Stellar multitudes and us introducing purple systems into the mix helped the Void Mother gain more control SHE EVEN SPOKE TO US at the end of the questline

[main beacon]

She works to corrupt the Atlas' systems into serving a different function

[naive jacinth]

Not yet

[chilly harbor]

she's been successful so far

[main beacon]

My guess is that she is trying to remake the Atlas' hardware into something mobile

[chilly harbor]

as she managed to with our help gain control of an Atlas station

[main beacon]

Not control

[chilly harbor]

possibly

influence?

[main beacon]

Harmony

The Atlas, for some reason, cannot perceive the Void Mother as the Atlantid

It perceives her as a corruption, a glitch

Which, technically, is true

But it does not see her as the Atlantid. I think her integration into the system will help with that

[chilly harbor]

maybe The Void Mother was a lost function of the Atlas?

yet like you said the Atlas is not capible of perceving her

[main beacon]

She is described as a sub-routine of the Atlas itself, something only the Aerons and Telamon share

[chilly harbor]

to me at least I see that there are three major players in this at least for my point of view

[main beacon]

Wait was it you who hadn't read the sentinel pillar logs yet?

[chilly harbor]

no I've read them

I've read all of them granted I do not remeber everything from them but I remeber some of it

[main beacon]

Who is the third player, then? The Telamons and Sentinels are working with the Atlantid

[chilly harbor]

the 3rd player I see in this is the Voice of Freedom I know you said ealier it is a manifestation of sorts of the Void Mother but I personally disagree

[main beacon]

A rejection of both?

[chilly harbor]

it isn't as successful as the Void Mother but it seeks indepence and as a cult following preached by many to resist the Crimson Eye

[chilly harbor]

to a degree yes

but mainly the Atlas

in my mind and this is mostly speculation it doesn't seem to be aware of the Void Mother

[dull girder]

One thing I'm a little confused about in regards to the sentinels working with the Atlantid, is what's with the distinction between them and the corrupted sentinels, then?

[chilly harbor]

Sentinels are connected the The Atlas corrupted ones are independent and are influenced by the Void Mother

Atlandium are physcial bits and peices of the Void Mother

anyways as I was saying with the Voice of Freedom

[main beacon]

Maybe sentinels that have been brought back from the glass? I know they originated from the World of Glass, but they seem to still be capable of dying, even if they dont care about it

[chilly harbor]

The Voice of Freedom is it's own system that could've been broken off from the Atlas at some point and hates the Atlas it preaches that those who resist the Atlas will be free and that the Promised Star will be their's (which is how I actually named my Freighter fleet which I call it: The First Fleet of the Promised Star) The Voice from it's perspective believes the Atlas to be a tyrant a controller and wishes freedom for those who are worthy it reaches out to Travelers and offers them the chance to join it's cause againest the Atlas. Some accept and some refues naturally. As time went on others began to preach and add on their own ideas to the Voice harmonizing with it and making it stronger but it won't be to the same degree as the Void Mother who has or had a much closer link to the Atlas then the Voice did

what do you guys think of my theory on it as least?

@main beacon

[main beacon]

It could be possible, but seems slightly more of a stretch than it being another name/face of the Void Mother

[chilly harbor]

plus I do have some evidence to back up my theory

[chilly harbor]

true

[main beacon]

I must see

[chilly harbor]

this could work for both honestly

so you know how all station AI cores show their status of how the station is funcitoning?

well the specific function is that these AI cores are connected to the Atlas/Aeron network

Outlaw Station cores if you go up to the cores their defenses are on along with that the Aeron/Atlas network connection has been severed

Station defenses are not normally on because they relie on The Sentinels for defense

Outlaw stations have turrets armed at the entrances of them

regular stations do not have this

@main beacon thoughts?

also hence forth I believe whatever the Voice of Freedom truly is it is really opposed to the Atlas

[main beacon]

They also rely on sentinels for law enforcement

[chilly harbor]

Outlaw stations do?

from my expirence if you shoot at them I've never seen them summon Sentinels

[main beacon]

No

Regular stations do

Including for contraband scanning

Its not outright stated, but I think there's a treaty between the sentinels and the triad that facilitates that relationship

[chilly harbor]

That's because regular stations are connected to the Atlas/Aeron network

[dull girder]

The disconnection of the outlaw stations doesn't just stop sentinels from protecting the station, it blocks space sentinels from showing up in the system at all

[main beacon]

Well yeah, but why would sentinels care about "contraband"?

[chilly harbor]

Honestly I do not have an answer for that one my theory is not air tight I know

[main beacon]

Sentinels acting as law enforcement is one of the reasons I think theres a treaty

Also them monitoring secure facilities, and the conflict with settlements

[dull girder]

It could be that the sentinels are trying to suppress any sort of war breaking out (also would explain why they come to the defense of freighters) and they've deemed the trade of contraband as potentially leading to that

[main beacon]

I think one of the terms is "no major settlements on planetary surface"

[main beacon]

But declaring trade goods as contraband also incites conflict

[chilly harbor]

Maybe they do not recognize that aspect of it?

[dull girder]

Maybe the sentinels are who deemed them contraband in the first place? Wouldn't be that out of line considering they already consider the collection of various resources as 'illegal'

Also are there still Vy'Keen with the title of "Sentinel Hunter"? They definitely used to exist but I feel like I haven't seen one in a while so they could have been removed at some point

[main beacon]

Its not because of some set of laws that sentinels consider harvesting resources to be worth attacking someone over

It is an attempt at living in symbiosis with the sentinels, since they clearly arent going anywhere anytime soon

[chilly harbor]

I believe that might be the best explanation

The sentinels are pissed whenever you harvest resources from planets so it would be a stretch that they deem these resources to be of higher value to stop

[main beacon]

But those resources arent contraband

[chilly harbor]

True

They attack on sight if someone harvests resources because of Korvax prime

[main beacon]

Gravitino balls, albumin pearls, sac venom, all those are valued trade commodities

Contraband would be regulated by the governments of the triad

[chilly harbor]

Maybe it's something all the sentinels are triad agreed shouldn't be allowed?

[main beacon]

Sentinels dont care about governmental laws, but they do care about people settling on planets

Thats why I think theres a treaty

Only a certain degree of planetary settlement and development is allowed, but in exchange the sentinels help protect civilians and trade

[rancid violet]

I met an interesting Traveler. Designation "Tr.avel/er Tibsdalt"

They claim to never have met the Vy'keen, Gek, or Korvax. Let alone anything i've seen in my universe. I asked him if he met Atlas. He claims he hasn't even HEARD of it.

He also warns me to not go to the center. (Presumably the galaxy's center)

What KIND of universe could they be living in???? They couldn't be living in the universe similar to the Breach expedition, could they???

[pure plinth]

Must have only visited uncharted systems.

[dull girder]

most likely a remnant of a traveller from a much older iteration of the simulation, which seems to be the case for most if not all of the travellers you find in the wild (aside from other players of course)

We know the Atlas used to simulate universes without the three races we know today, but at the time the game is set in, all versions of the sim have them (or at least did have them at some point, in the case of abandoned mode)

[fervent latch]

It would be super cool to possibly get a glimpse outside the atlas during a full scale destruction of it

Maybe have some sort of questline where we “become real” and realize the simulated universe we were in is extremely similar to the real one outside it (for gameplay simplification lol, doubt devs would wanna make another 255 galaxies)
You just start off sitting in front of a defunct computer you know too much about…

Alternatively could be cool if due to all the anomalies and such that the simulated universe itself becomes “real” as an alternate universe

[main beacon]

The implication is that the simulated universes are as real as the Atlas' universe, because the Atlas was created for (among other reasons) testing the possibility of the universe being simulated

[fervent latch]

Huh… It would be interesting to see how a simulated universe would act if the device that created it was defunct, but the universe kept going though

[main beacon]

Well, the Atlas isnt gonna be defunct, its gonna be destroyed

No Atlas effectively means no simulation

A very appropriately named AI, if you ask me

[fervent latch]

Yeah sorry, when I said defunct I meant destroyed

The idea of a simulation somehow going past the device that created it (in the vein of having a dead god) just comes across as a neat story route idea

Plus it would be extremely ominous to see larger scale anomalies

[main beacon]

That does seem to be where the meta-plot is going, though it still needs to answer the question of how that would happen

Also what do you consider to be larger scale anomalies? Right now we have anomalies that occur at the planetary scale

[fervent latch]

Solar system to galaxy wide anomalies, and perhaps they could go stranger with the ones we already have

The whys and hows are gonna be the most interesting part if its where they are headed

[main beacon]

Purple star systems are kinda like half-anomalies

[desert jewel]

Anyone ever consider some dude in NMS seeing Pugneum for the first time and thought heyy can i smoke that? 😂😂

[pure plinth]

Or drink, looks like a liquid.

[wary axle]

you have described me, and i feel called out

[fervent latch]

I somewhat feel like theres more significance to the number 16 than just the number of minutes atlas has

Dont know why though

[main beacon]

Drink the water drink the water drink the water

[main beacon]

16 minutes remaining happens to coincide with 16 being a number that pops up frequently in computers in general

[pure plinth]

Nothing like sentinel lube mixed with metallic glitter bits...

[karmic trout]

Aurix has been conquered by the VM 🤯

also congrats on the Legend role!

[main beacon]

You assume a difference

[main beacon]

Thanks, didnt even know it was a thing

Anyway nanites are the blood of reality, basically

[cedar fable]

Whats up with runaway mould? Why it gives nanites and transforms from pugneum and atlantidium?

[main beacon]

Common(ish) origins

Also its atlantideum, similar to pugneum

And runaway mould also is transformed from living slime and all that stuff

Building up around abandoned buildings

Also also, atlantideum can be refined into pugneum

[odd valve]

Are you saying the buildup of slime and mould in old, abandoned structures is supposed to sort of be "reality bleeding" and "clotting" around it?

[main beacon]

Potentially but it could also be a more deliberate action

[odd valve]

I was gonna suggest the buildings with larval cores and stuff around them feel like sites of something going wrong specifically

[main beacon]

Rot and decay isnt merely old things fading away, but them being broken down and making the resources available again

[main beacon]

If they weren't always around abandoned buildings, id agree

Also

What do larval cores refine into?

[odd valve]

Well dead worlds are coated in larval cores

Yes I am making connections lol

I reckon perhaps the same way organic things generally decay in real life maybe things of Atlas instead decay into the slime and growths that spawn horrors, as those secure buildings are often surrounded by sentinels, I'm working off a lot of assumptions but it sounds like a fun headcanon

[main beacon]

Well, if I'm being absolutely honest... I dont think the decay is of Atlas specifically

I think the Void Mother has more to do with it

[odd valve]

Well not Atlas specifically but things closely tied to it

[main beacon]

Although she could totally be piggybacking on an existing system

[odd valve]

That being said, I think Fi brought up an excellent and thought provoking connection

However you'd have to explain stuff like Hadal Cores, Salvaged Data, and Platinum refining into nanites for that whole theory to be sound

[main beacon]

Nanites as a whole seem to be a fundamental aspect of the nms universe, but many of the things that refine into them have strong connections to each other

Hadal cores are also Abyssal objects

Platinum is a material much more common in space overall, unlike our universe

[karmic trout]

Why English lettering when none of the races speak English?? gameplay/aesthetic reasons or lore?? I did find it in a derelict and this is the first time I am noticing it

[pure plinth]

The floating helmets and gloves all look like traveler/human as well even though the crew apparently wasn't.

[main beacon]

Ive only noticed labels from the lower corner, never as actual decals

[main beacon]

As for the helmets, my theory is theyre salvagers from previous attempts, when the initial dangers of the derelicts hadn't subsided

[pure plinth]

Must have been a lot since some logs are from only 1-2 days previous

[haughty drum]

that is deep

[pure plinth]

I seen the English letters/words but never gave it any thought.
Then its kind of like "Oh wait..." when it got mentioned.

[dull girder]

Derelict freighters, some quicksilver decals, and one logo on the Starborn Runner contain definitively english text. Can't think of anything else that isn't part of a UI that gets translated if you play in a different language

[odd valve]

The numbered decals are also arabic numerals instead of the in-universe set

Wheras the teleporter pads for corvettes are properly numbered with the in-universe numbers

[shell flame]

Yeah, the corvette is “our” ship, I figured we printed those numbers ourselves

[fringe acorn]

Are the interiors of space stations larger than what we see? Where do all the non traveller races live if that isn't the case.

[karmic trout]

Maybe one of the dead races in the universe actually spoke English and used the Latin alphabet?

Since the derelicts are entities slipping through from alternate universe simulations as the Atlas breaks down

But then the crew is Gek, according to the captain's log, they were parked above a First Spawn era chapel

It's probably easier to chalk it up to developer oversight haha but it would be really interesting if this was intentional

[shell flame]

Why do the floating beacons on ruined planets teach us how to build decorative ruins and not the complete versions of those structures?

It’s tempting to say Atlas made fake ruins for us to explore, but it doesn’t seem to take shortcuts like that

[dull girder]

It's unlikely, it seems more like the Atlas simulates the full history of everything in the universe, in true chronological order

[shell flame]

I wouldn’t mind seeing what the ruins looked like before they were ruined. The Salvage building set might be something like that for Korvax Prime, and the “golden” furniture set seems to be pre-war Gek designs. Maybe the ruins are Vykeen?

[radiant spire]

CAN somone explain to me this game i am so lost
im in steam 1

[serene axle]

you abalable

[kind totem]

I like the D&D explanation of it being called "common" or in Star Wars it's called basic. Which coincidentally looks and sounds just like English.

[odd valve]

You can say that but there is an actual ingame alien alphabet that the majority of the game uses

[graceful cedar]

Has anybody found the Detecti-Gek Derelict Freighter log?

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fupdate-i-think-i-found-the-elusive-and-mysterious-lore-v0-u248wqbttv7g1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D11fba3e582da4258d01a67f595fddeb1526ace67

[karmic trout]

but we do have an alphabet in NMS that is not English at all, the races have their own languages. To use the same Star Wars analogy, imagine the Hutts (Huttese), the Java (Jawese) and Rodian all existed. None of them speak Galactic Basic (in our case the standard NMS alphabet), so where did this English lettering even come from? and why is it on a Gek ship??

[kind totem]

I think it's kind of a cop out? Like info we need as players is in "common" much like in movies, everyone speaks English (or the native tongue where it's being viewed) but there's alien writing, speech etc to fill in the world with variety. So my theory in the NMS universe it's not "english" or "german" etc, it's an alien language but we understand it because we speak "common" or "basic"

[ornate robin]

Yeah I mean there is definitely a "common" I'm a nms newbie but in the outlaw questline the npcs straight up state they speak a unified tongue

Unbound by their races or w/e

Which is mostly an anti-sentinel/anti-atlas sentiment and not all Gek, or korvax for that matter worship atlas anymore

And we also can understand this unified speech from the get-go without learning words

So a unified exists and we definitely can understand it

[static agate]

Who exactly is null

Is he truly an asshole like everyone says

[fossil gate]

He's the first traveller who took the same choice as we did by the end, which is sacrificing a system/galaxy to explore more

The Atlas took notice of this and didn't like it at all so he dropped Null

Like a boss dropping an intern lol

Our character is the last traveller the Atlas created, while Null sacrificed everything for his own will- it was out of no one's wishes even the Atlas- in our case, the Atlas wants to make us to make a decision

[prisma ember]

Yeah, he is basically the First Sinner. Bro was just out for himself.

[static agate]

Silksong reference?

[static agate]

So when null does it he's a little bitch, but when I do it it's fine

[fossil gate]

No again during the course of the story line, the Atlas was already desperate for change and was seeking for it. During the birth of the first traveller the Atlas wasn't

[static agate]

So why didn't he come back for null

Or apollo or Artemis or any other of the traveller's why us?

[fossil gate]

Because it would be redundant and Null already proved himself to be unpredictable

[static agate]

Hmm fair

[fossil gate]

Artemis was an error through the eyes of the Atlas, I'm not sure about Apollo- but they were living finely until they came across us in our pursuit of helping Artemis

[static agate]

Also when we do interstellar multitudes we restore lost sectors, so why were the sectors lost? Why were purple systems removed

[fossil gate]

I'm not sure tbh

[static agate]

He was making the big units

Also what are the autophage

Are they isn't sentinels who don't serve the atlas?

[fossil gate]

I haven't gotten to that point yet sadly

I've only finished the Artemis missions

[static agate]

Atlas missions are easy

So is harmonic camp

[pure plinth]

Autophage are totally different.

[static agate]

@fossil gate 1 last question, is Apollo breedable, cuz he now has a metal exo skeleton

[static agate]

How so?

[fossil gate]

What 😭

[static agate]

They look like sentinels

[static agate]

Yes or no?

[pure plinth]

They have more in common with Korvax than the sentinels.

[torn rivet]

Do not the robot

[static agate]

Aren't the korvax sentinels

Or something

[torn rivet]

He just wants the greens

[fossil gate]

I don't think his pursuit is consumating to be fair 😭, to sarcifice his whole flesh and bones for a robotic form is a good enough implication that Apollo has left worldly pursuits

[torn rivet]

the units

the moola

[pure plinth]

No they just happen to worship Atlas and see the sentinels a little different than we might.

[static agate]

Shame, he would've been a good option

[static agate]

So then what are the autophage?

[fossil gate]

What could you possibly want to do if Apollo becomes breedable?

[static agate]

You know exactly what

[pure plinth]

Others are a bit better on all the lore than I am but if i remember correctly they used to be Korvax.

[static agate]

He'd put the children to labour on his farm to make more money

[torn rivet]

Keep this person away from electronic appliances

[static agate]

What happened

Did the atlas smite them

[fossil gate]

huh😭

[static agate]

He's hot ok

Like those ridges make his look so masculine

[fossil gate]

OH LMAO okay 😭😭

[pure plinth]

Not sure on all that but I dont believe it was any sort of punishment for something.

[static agate]

Wow how would you feel if I insulted your taste in woman

[fossil gate]

Please do insult my taste in women it is very unhealthy

[static agate]

Your insulting my taste in travellers

But that begs the question

What is your type?

[fossil gate]

big and deadly

[static agate]

Masochist

[fossil gate]

it is nothing like that

I also prefer if she came out of chernobyl

[static agate]

.....

[fossil gate]

you cannot out-freak me

in fact

I fashion the Atlas itself

he's a rather handsome multidimensional being

[pallid drift]

wtf happened here dawg😭

[karmic trout]

What are y'all talking about 💀💀

[naive jacinth]

Offtopic looks like

[cosmic quail]

How do korvax reproduce?

I wonder

[brazen wraith]

I feel like they just develop a core one day

[torpid sage]

arent korvax made outta nanites

[prisma ember]

Their blood is nanites. They come forth from the nanites.

[karmic trout]

copy file -> paste file

that is at least what I inferred from our base scientist. His 'son' is basically a code snippet from the parent branch. Kinda like a GitHub branch

[shy wagon]

Possibly through cognitive dissonance. When it occurs strongly enough, they partition the dissonant thought from their own mind and it can become an individual entity if it is strong enough.
(Not my original idea. An AI in genshin impact did this)

Anyone have good canon or head-canon for why we can summon freighters beyond their warp range?

[karmic trout]

AI in Genshin?? I stopped playing a year ago but is this something new?? I know a lot of concepts such as the Abyss, the Last Traveler etc. have similarities to No Man's Sky but I have never heard of this

[karmic trout]

gameplay reasons tbh

But for a lore explanation perhaps they are able to lock on to your Traveler signature specifically thus being able to chart a shorter route through hyperspace. When you yourself control the freighter, you lock onto the solar system, so maybe that has specific routes that can't be shortcut through.

[shy wagon]

The main story got pretty awesome in the past year. Natlan ends up full of Lore and Nod Krai is the most main character story we've gotten since the beginning cutscene.

[karmic trout]

so it is a new thing then, thanks!

[shy wagon]

This helps my head-canon. I hadn't thought of the warp drive as a 'lock on' system before. It would make sense for such a system to have range limits for unfamiliar reference points but no range limit for familiar reference points.

[dull girder]

Where new entities come from is one thing, but I'd be interested to learn where new Korvax's casings come from. In many scenarios, the death of a korvax means that the casing they were using at the time of their death would also be destroyed, if not extremely damaged. Do the Korvax have the means to construct new casings? Do they just try and repair the damaged ones? If they can't make new casings, does that mean the overall Korvax population is decreasing?

[karmic trout]

destroyed?? but don't we have a lot of those as collectables and gifts?

I always assumed they simply turned off

and are just like an empty CPU casing

[dull girder]

Yeah but if a korvax dies in a particularly violent way then their casing wouldn't necessarily survive

Seems they do also just "turn off" as a form of dying though, according to the description of the Korvax Casing item:The metallic shell of a disconnected electronic lifeform that was too distant from its kind to be refreshed with a new entity.

[karmic trout]

I think of the casing like the outer casing of your CPU. It is just a shell which protects the inner actually important components. So that is why the Korvax even accept it as gifts. Probably for them to upload their cerebral matrix onto new casings if their current one gets damaged or something. I don't think the casings themselves hold any data. Even the description calls it as a shell.

[dull girder]

Individual Korvax entities don't really 'own' their casings, they seem to transfer between them very freely. Sometimes when you go to trade with one, the entity that was in the casing will be exchanged for one who specializes in trading

[karmic trout]

ohhh so that is why the description says 'too distant to be refreshed'

[wary axle]

i'm doing the main questline and shit bro, idk what to think. every race in the galaxy SUCKS

i thought the gek were cute and cuddly and amazing traders but knowing the lore... gek are RUTHLESS

[ocean cosmos]

Where are you in the storyline

[wary axle]

right now i'm talking to Nada ||right after learning there's 16 minutes to system shut down, during the purge questline||

[ocean cosmos]

U want any spoilers

[wary axle]

no thank you

[ocean cosmos]

Aight

[wary axle]

usually i wouldnt mind for most games but i'm actually invested in this now

[pure plinth]

Still a ways to go.

[carmine wraith]

So are all travelers copies of the atlas's creator or is it just the player character?

[naive jacinth]

Iterations of crator recreated from vauge atlas memory

[carmine wraith]

Ya i remember the wiki exists the player is just the last one

[carmine wraith]

Thankyou

[shell flame]

About post game stuff; ||If the Autophage ever became populous enough to compete with other species, is this going to result in another war? There’s no way they don’t hold a grudge against the Gek, and the Vykeen would see them as a threat just for having a multitool weapon cottage industry. They even seem to resent the Korvax.||

[pure plinth]

Honestly they seem more content to chill in hidden camps where they probably dont have as much contact with the others.

[karmic trout]

The Korvax will wipe them out the moment they're found out

So I assume population growth is artificially kept low or dispersed in order to avoid it

[white hollow]

All characters in the story could be dead, Apollo can't see you not bc there is dimensions splicing happening but bc they really aren't there, same with other caracters, while you can communicate to them using holo towers they don't do anything beyond that and it's not like they have to be alive to be talked to through the towers, you can talk to Artemis after finding their grave

Artemis was dead from the start

Artemis also doesn't seem to be aware of being dead after you find her grave so all other characters could already be dead, maybe even from past simulations, from before past resets

[fallow geode]

If apollo was already dead, why would atlas judge that you didnt prevent his death though, if you didnt

[white hollow]

Lost travellers we find are dead, we can find their graves

[white hollow]

That's a more philosiphical question, if you don't know that Apollo is dead already then actions you take will be while thinking they are currently alive and can be judged for not taking actions to prevent their deaths. From perspective of the Atlas no one is alive, everyone is simulated, you aren't even real. Atlas doesn't feel like the most reliable source as it is dying and seems to be losing it.

[fallow geode]

Yes but apollo could have died through any of our other interactions so why would atlas point to that specific decision as being the one that would have caused his death, unless he was actually alive and did die at that specific point.

[finite egret]

I think only Artemis was dead from the start...Apollo is not dead and your actions determine whether he lives or dies.

[fallow geode]

That's what I think too

Saying that he was dead already and through your actions you can determine whether you hypothetically cause him to die again (???). Or that atlas was operating with your perspective of thinking hes alive when hes actually dead, just seems like too much.

[white hollow]

No, Atlas is judging you for your actions, whether Apollo died or not is irrelevant

Whether they realy died

[fallow geode]

He is judging you for your actions which he claims caused his death.

[white hollow]

You are being judged for what you did and not for the results

You are being judged bc you didn't take actions to prevent it

[finite egret]

I don't think there's any evidence to support that Artemis was dead from the start. I think the point is that the player and Apollo are in different but parallel simulations. One of the big points in the lore of the Atlas is that as the timer goes to zero the boundaries between simulations are coming down, the plot with Apollo is just there to show you how things were before the boundaries started coming down.

[white hollow]

And If Apollo didn't die why didn't you meet them?

Why can't you see each other if you are both alive and well?

[fallow geode]

Because youre in different universes

[white hollow]

Apollo has a theory that there is some dimensions splicing action going on, but Apollo doesn't even know that everything is a simulation

[white hollow]

Pararel universes? when does the game mention them?

[finite egret]

I think the point of that plot is to show how things normally worked...before the boundaries between simulations started coming down.

[white hollow]

Bc there were definitely past simulations, but I don't remember any explicit mention of a pararel one

[fallow geode]

Several times actually, abandoned building logs, crashed freighter logs, boundary failure logs, that one korvax research log.

[white hollow]

Past simulations, yes

One where Sentinels obliterated all life under a minute for example

[finite egret]

I don't think there's anything to clarify that Apollo's simulation is a past one...merely one that the boundary of still holds I think.

[dull girder]

There are several mentions of a "multiverse" of simulations

[white hollow]

But I'm asking about a definitive mention of a pararel simulation where events take place simultaneously as they do in ours

[fallow geode]

Some are past, others are ongoing

[finite egret]

You get confirmation that Travellers were each separated in different simulations during the Remembrance terminal lore, during the entry 16/16 there is this bit:

The ATLAS witnesses the final sixteen minutes, simulating the future with perfect accuracy.

The walls between worlds fall, each simulation collapsing into the other.

Ten minutes left

The Travellers are no longer separated, no longer kept apart. They stand side by side at the end of days, traversing the remnants of creation, laughing, dying.

[fallow geode]

The outpost is ancient, even by the standards of the Korvax. The log speaks of alternate realities, histories of the Korvax that take radically divergent paths.
In some regions of the multiverse, their progenitors never shed their biological origins. In others they remain in the slavery of the Gek, never rising up or convincing their false masters of the glory of the Atlas.
Many of these realities have faded, gone as if they had never been

Now it does say many faded, but not all. It also speaks of it as multiverse.

[white hollow]

Ok, I give you that

I'm conceding

[fallow geode]

I also found better example at sentinel pillar logs

[white hollow]

I still think they all could be dead, we can interact with some travellers that aren't dead, the space Anomaly travellers are that, no? They aren't dead, they also aren't regular inhabitants of our universe and like mentioned, walls are falling

Walls falling would point more towards other universes collapsing into less, possibly down to one as Atlas falls apart

16min before shutdown sounds like there would be minimal amount of simulated realities

And it's not like Apollo talking to us definitively marks him as living, bc we can still talk to Artemis, or more like an echo of them after we find the grave and she must have died prior to us finding it

We can also interact with other dead travellers

[dull girder]

There's definitely some destinctions between different types of traveller interactions. Traveller NPCs in the wild are all seemingly remnants of very old simulations (and we find their graves, after all) because they reference things that don't line up with what we know about the current state of the Atlas, like it always simulating the three races

There's some room for interpretation as to if the ability for us to talk to those travellers is because of there being some trace of them leftover for us to interact with despite the uncountable number of resets that have taken place since they were alive, or if it's some sort of temporal warping (since black holes in sci-fi tend to do that)

[fallow geode]

I still think there is more evidence pointing to him being alive in some form and our decision having effect in him actually dying or not. But especially with how murky the distinction between death can be in the simulation, everything can be technically possible.

[finite egret]

I think there is a clear difference in how Apollo speaks compared to Artemis...he is far more clear, concise, and actually responsive to what you say. Artemis is just horribly corrupted communication and mostly seems to be talking to someone else, never actually responding to what you say...Artemis is an echo and she's already dead so it's more like your ship is intercepting a mixture of conversations she was having with other people before death and distress messages recorded before death.

Artemis does not seem to be able to comprehend what you are saying and talking to her feels like talking to a recording of a conversation you only hear half of....less than half actually as you don't hear all of her conversation and it's like she's talking to someone else but you don't hear any of what the other person is saying.

[main beacon]

At long last, I have returned

[main beacon]

Anything involving temporal warping in the game has difficulty due to the simulation being presumed to run at a different timescale entirely from the spacetime of Atlas' complex. Telamon goes as far as to say that the Atlas cannot violate causality

[karmic trout]

welcome back!

[karmic trout]

I wish we had a universe where the sentinels didn't go batcrap insane and actually we have urban environments. That ofc wouldn't mesh well with our current NMS but I wouldn't mind it being a spin-off game or something. In fact I think HG is sitting on a gold mine of content that can be taken in parallel with NMS

or a Star Wars Jedi Survivor like game set during the First Spawn era. Maybe we infiltrate the superweapon that blew up Korvax Prime and try to prevent it.

[main beacon]

I think youre forgetting the crucial detail that most of the universes we have are the ones where sentinels didnt go "batcrap insane"

[karmic trout]

really? I thought the other universes were absolutely obliterated in minutes by the sentinels

[main beacon]

Theres still multiple universes running, from what I've gathered

[karmic trout]

and the one we're on actually got off easy or something

[main beacon]

All the ones still around have them comparatively pacified

By their choice, mind you

After whatever insane civil wars went down between realities

[karmic trout]

I really want to see/explore those universes as well

I am kinda convinced HG is gonna be like, "oh yeah LNF is also one of the many parallel sims in the ATLAS"

maybe LNF is the starting point of the NMS Multiverse series of spin-off games. Perhaps if LNF succeeds, we could potentially see spinoff games set in various points within the Atlas multiverse.

[main beacon]

I get a sense that the structure of lnf is different

BUT we technically do see many of the other universes

Im fairly sure its still the case that each traveller instance corresponds to their own universe

[karmic trout]

the Traveler NPC holograms??

[main beacon]

Yes but also other players

[karmic trout]

perhaps. But I would be surprised if they say it has absolutely nothing to do with NMS lore wise

even the logos are similar

but we can only speculate unless we have more info from HG

[pure plinth]

The logo is similar, but different. Looks more like a crystal ball/orb held in some sort of mount or staff end.

[main beacon]

Its a torch

Im pretty confident with that guess

[karmic trout]

could the hand coming up refer to the Creators of the Atlas?

maybe this is a simulation that is completely cut off from the main universe (NMS). Of course I am speculating with the baseline that LNF has some connection to NMS

[main beacon]

I think the hand is the respective entity of lnf

The one I call prometheus

[pure plinth]

Usually when I think of "torch" I think of a stick with fire on it.
Now in other English speaking parts of the world it can also refer to a device that is called a "flashlight" in other parts of the world.

[karmic trout]

maybe they created the Atlas?? like aliens or humanity a millennium into the future (year 3026 or something)

[pure plinth]

NMS calls your light a "torch"

[main beacon]

Red ball = fire
Pyramid thingy = stick

[naive jacinth]

I dont think there will be much connection between lnf and nms. Maybe some easter eggs or simliar characters names.

[pure plinth]

I would agree since it is two totally separate timeframes.

[main beacon]

That means little for simulations

[karmic trout]

this

[main beacon]

BUT due to the title, I suspect a theme involves growing beyond the intended potential of your makers

[austere plinth]

Is the atlas quest just going from atlas station to station? How many times do I have to do this?☹️

[karmic trout]

it could be some kind of backrooms for the simulation that went unhinged and gained sentience after being abandoned for so long. At least that is how I approach the insanity that is LNF in comparison to NMS 😂. In one of the screenshots you see an army of rabbits vs humans or something

[pure plinth]

Pretty much...
Also a good way to learn Atlas words, those things that look like little domes on the floor can be stepped on and have a chance of teaching you a word.

After I discovered that I ran all over those stations first before going to the main part of it.

Lucky thing was it was about #2 lol.

[austere plinth]

Yea, Ive been doing that. I just wish there was a little more to the quest. Its got boring fast.

[pure plinth]

Also guessing that there is a lot more history to the NMS universe than our traveler can see at the moment, since we don't see humans or walking/talking bunny rabbits running around they could have been a much older precursor to the current time of NMS.

Hey maybe that is where the planet portals came from lol.

[main beacon]

I believe the intention is to be doing them alongside other quests so its broken up

[karmic trout]

exactly! heck we can't even say for sure if the Atlas is actually dying in 16 mins or is it just simulating what would happen if it were to die? Like imagine you see someone get shot in the street, you run over to help them only to find out that it was part of a movie shot or something. We don't know anything for sure since everything we see is from the Traveler POV, we know as much as they do; there is no omnipresent 4th wall breaking narrator or something.

[main beacon]

Ehhhhhh

Do not forget the words of Telamon, or those of the Atlantid

[karmic trout]

can we trust both of them though?? Especially Telamon?

[austere plinth]

That makes sense

[main beacon]

Telamon seems to have the least reason to lie

[karmic trout]

ohh do you mean that Telamon knows it is a sim

[main beacon]

Of course

Telamon is aware of far more than just that, though

Theyre aware of us

[pure plinth]

Well 16 minutes to the Atlas could very well be hundreds of years in the sim, and no clue how long it has been running for exactly.

[main beacon]

Thousands, more likely

[pure plinth]

Most of the planets are a few billion years old and for all we know the Atlas has been simulating all that time passing.

Actual age of the Atlas isn't well known as far as I've seen... But for it to process thousands of years in a few minutes it could well have been running for some time.

[main beacon]

At the very least, the Atlas has been operational for several millennia

[pure plinth]

Never really paid attention to what the oldest planet is that I have seen

[karmic trout]

Is it even possible for a computer no matter how powerful and huge to be running for that long? the planet where my home base is on itself is 10 billion years old. Earth itself is just 4.6 BY old and our universe itself is estimated to be 13BY old.

I know we are dealing with sci-fi and real-life stuff doesn't apply, but still, a suspension of disbelief requires some sort of baseline right?

[main beacon]

The simulation progresses faster than realtime

Plus there may be "degrees" of simulation

[karmic trout]

like 1 year IRL = 1 min in the sim, some sort of scaled dilation ?

[main beacon]

By irl do you mean Atlas' external time?

[pure plinth]

Also givens that the Atlas was built some time in the future (our RL timeline) we don't know what it is capable of either, possibly a lot of self-repair to some extent.

[karmic trout]

yepp yepp

[main beacon]

1 minute is equivalent to at least one millennium

[pure plinth]

Our current computer technology becomes obsolete often well before it physically fails, and even the physical component side has a long ways to go...

[karmic trout]

then probably the Atlas has been running for a few thousand years in real time which makes more sense over billions. The Giza Pyramids themselves have survived this long, I see no reason why a super advanced hyper futuristic computer with self -repair like @pure plinth said couldn't

[main beacon]

Do not forget that the Atlas can run many simulations at once

[karmic trout]

I wish we could see it

I mean if Telamon is aware of the simulation stuff, maybe we could have a peek at the 'real world'

but before that, perhaps we could be given the opportunity to visit the World of Glass

heck I initially thought that was the meaning of the door emoji

[main beacon]

Well, I think it can be pictured decently well

Considering the Atlas would be 16 minutes away from destruction via black hole

[karmic trout]

what about the World of Glass?

maybe the VM can lead us to it

[pure plinth]

Outside probably looks something like this. 🤣

[main beacon]

Purple, angular, and painful

[karmic trout]

it is like the ending of Spider Man where the Green Goblin's like, "OH"

[main beacon]

I imagine its harsher than that, though its due to my interpretation of how the Atlas influences the simulation

I kinda see the simulated black holes as being what the Atlas wishes black holes were

[pure plinth]

Real black holes would be tearing and stretching things apart. Pretty much stringing things out like spaghetti as it falls in.

[main beacon]

Eh, thats after the numerous other dangers of being close to one

Radiation, the accretion disk, other things in close proximity

[karmic trout]

I've heard the human brain simply cannot comprehend the concept of singularity. Infinite density and zero volume, that isn't even physically comprehensible. If we can't understand it, how can the Atlas?

[main beacon]

Atlas might comprehend it better than us, honestly, but that doesnt matter

Comprehension doesnt change what a black hole is and what happens as you approach it

[karmic trout]

I guess we just enjoy the flames as everything burns. The temporality of life

[main beacon]

Thats what the travellers will do, as the time approaches

[main beacon]

Though us travellers wont be alone

Even Telamon seems to feel that nobody should be alone when facing their end

[opal widget]

[naive jacinth]

I wonder if we get to know more about the dreamers in this year updates

[pulsar pebble]

What's that?

[naive jacinth]

Its from walking titan arg.

[cosmic quail]

Pooo

Poop

[pulsar pebble]

Oh cool I see now

[sly verge]

Doesn't the atlas diagnostic menu say it hasn't been checked on in >1 quintillion years during the story?

[main beacon]

As the conversation in #nms-spoilers may show, measuring time in the nms universe is rather complicated for a variety of reasons

I suspect the 1 quintillion years is in accumulated simulation time, as the remembrance logs indicate the Atlas has been operational for thousands of years

[regal sky]

wait so i am at the part where you talk to a gek guy on a space station in the patterns in time and what did the korvax do with there nanites? like they put the nanites in the spawning pools idk why they did that?

[main beacon]

I'm pretty sure the gek guy wouldve been talking about the first spawn

[regal sky]

yeah

[main beacon]

Do you know what they did?

[regal sky]

but why would the korvax spill there nanites into the pool thingy and what did it do?

[regal sky]

sorta

idk why they did it tho

[main beacon]

Did you finish the dialog already?

[regal sky]

yes

[main beacon]

Cause im pretty sure it tells you

[regal sky]

i didnt understand it

[main beacon]

The First Spawn, ancestors of the modern gek, were supremacists who attacked the korvax homeworld, host of the first convergence, and mother AI, mining the entire planet for its resources

[regal sky]

but why the nanite thing

[main beacon]

Nanites change things

They can rewrite technology, but also ones own body

Even down to DNA

[regal sky]

why do i want to know what they taste like now

[main beacon]

The first spawn had conducted eugenics on their own species, breeding traits of expansionistic imperialism into their very genome

Those gek were literally made to conquer the galaxy, but what if they were made for something else?

Replace conquest, with commerce

The gek didnt have an epiphany, they didnt choose to stop the terrible things they were doing, but they were following their genetic programming

And that programming was changed

[regal sky]

ohhh so the korvax did that to stop them?

[main beacon]

Yes, though it did take some time for that idea to develop

You can find more details, but for the purposes of the main questline, thats what youd need to know

The patterns in time have great significance, but thats something you might understand better later in the questline

[regal sky]

i also dont really understand like why are all the npcs mad at me? is it because i am helping the atlas

[regal sky]

wait so what do i pick?

[main beacon]

Im pretty sure null is kinda hijacking them to get them to tell the patterns

[regal sky]

hijacking who?

[tired orbit]

Fr bro

[main beacon]

The npcs you talk to

[regal sky]

oh

[ocean cosmos]

Fun fact: 2 korvaxes can share the same body

So I was talking to npcs in a trading post and the description said something around the line of “they are 2 dots on this korvax’s visor, 2 korvaxes seem to be sharing this vessel” (I didn’t take a screenshot so you’ll just have to take my word for it)

[main beacon]

More than 2

[ocean cosmos]

Yeah I meant say that as well and I’m pretty this is why Nada on the anomaly is called a they

[main beacon]

Oh that isnt

Almost every character in nms is referred to using gender neutral pronouns

[alpine blade]

Most creatures too lol

I've had over 70 pets and only 2 male, 1 female.

[main beacon]

Not neutral, just different

[alpine blade]

Fair enough

[sly verge]

Wait, why are we using Korvax blood as currency???

[ocean cosmos]

Yes but this feels like a more logical explanation that Nada is three korvaxes and that’s why they’re a they

[sly verge]

Also arent male and female earth biology terms

[main beacon]

I understand the confusion, but it isnt korvax blood

[main beacon]

First, there doesnt really need to be a logical explanation for why a character is referred to with certain pronouns. If anything I think its because it's up to player interpretation and these are aliens that may very well have different ideas of gender than humans do
Second, I havent seen any dialog indicating that Nada is more than one entity in their shell

[main beacon]

Male and female could be terms applied to xenobiology, but specifically in terms of reproductive method, and that sort of reproduction is certainly not the only one possible

[ocean cosmos]

My character said that there were 2 visor on the korvaxes face before saying that they were 2 people in the body so maybe the number of visors is connected to the amount of korvaxes in the body

[main beacon]

Well, in terms of the game appearances, the dots are pretty much all the same

Also I think it changes depending on how many entities are looking through the visor of the shell

[hard shoal]

Kinda? The thing is that it does apply to some species encounter in NMS as well

Notably the Gek have words that mean (or translate to) ‘mother’ and ‘father’, so that comes into play at least at some point in their reproductive process

I know the Vykeen do form family units and I believe they also have words that translate to ‘mother’ and ‘father’, but I’m not sure how much that actually means

I think the Korvax are the only ones with zero concept of gender because they aren’t biological entities

[pure plinth]

They might but if they do its a relic from before they became electronic lifeforms

[hard shoal]

Afaik they were always electronic

[hard shoal]

It’s also possible individuals might get funny ideas if they start spending more time around organics than the rest of the collective

[pure plinth]

Im sure they know the concept at least.

[hard shoal]

Oh absolutely, but I don’t think they ever really consider applying it to themselves

I wouldn’t say the Korvax are strictly logical beings, but they have a very objective way of looking at things

[dull girder]

I don't think its as much 'they don't have semblance of gender' as much as it's 'their concept of gender isn't analogous to ours and so can't be translated' (at least for the Gek and Vy'Keen). If you look at the gender stat for animals that you scan, it's rare for the ones that even have a second gender to have both 'male' and 'female' variants. Per the established rules of the universe, it's just as likely that the Gek and Vy'Keen have any other combination of genders, whatever that may mean

[main beacon]

Ironically, the korvax are the ones related to the main entity that does use gendered pronouns

[hard shoal]

Sort of? They’re not exactly aware of her existence

[main beacon]

Theyre aware, but not necessarily that her existence has continued

[deep dew]

Would the Autophage and Korvax get along?

I feel like that the two would hate eachother on account of the Phages seemingly seeing the Atlas as Evil

And since the Korvax follow the Atlas, that'd put them at odds with the Autophages seemingly following something that doesn't exist

[deep dew]

I feel like the Vy'keen and the Autophages would be chill tbh

They'd probably admire them for their craftsmanship in my opinion

[shell flame]

Another Autophage thing I noticed: ||They're the only civilization which has a neutral to POSITIVE reaction to mentioning... Sixteen.||

||They know, and they aren't subconciously terrified of it like the others.||

||If I had to guess, the Autophage seem pleased that travelers are capable of swallowing existential dread without blocking it out or breaking.||

[deep dew]

So my Autophage commanding a Korvax Pirate Ship and my Autophage Squadron Pilot I save edited in make everything awkward?

[shell flame]

I'm sure they think it's hilarious

[hard shoal]

The Autophage have a seemingly strong sense of individuality, which is something the Korvax aren’t particularly fond of in their people, and while the Autophage are currently different, the Korvax might still see the Autophage as being Korvax and dislike them for behaving in a way that deviates from the collective

[deep dew]

Fair

they don't seem to hate the Vy'keen ig

[carmine frigate]

How come I made tha glowing white orb head guy cry when I scolded him

[hard shoal]

Because null did a lot of really messed up things but he always kinda thought the ends justified the means, and to have someone actively tear down that idea probably broke him

[carmine frigate]

Dang null sucks

[main beacon]

The autophage just existing brings up uncomfortable implications in regards to the korvax, and the Atlantid still being alive and influencing the universe could result in the current convergence actually collapsing as different factions emerge in response to learning their homeworld mother AI still lives

[deep dew]

So they'd cause a civil war?

[main beacon]

Well, the korvax may consider it one. From the outside it would look more like a gigantic debate

[pure plinth]

If several are debating inside one casing it might look like when the power supply on my old PC went up in smoke.

At least that is the only thing that went up in smoke, pulled the cord really quick.

[deep dew]

So what would it be like if the Korvax had to be under command of a Autophage?

[main beacon]

No, its more like... imagine if your planet and mother goddess were killed thousands of years ago and youve had to deal with being on your own as a species since then and suddenly finding out that shes alive from crawling back from the dead and brought thousands of those killed alongside her

Like, what do you do in that situation?

The convergence is on its seventh run at the moment, if it broke up 5 more times since the first spawn, imagine what would happen if word got out that the Atlantid is back?

[pure plinth]

Being how they function with the logic of a computer I don't think they could process that as well as a race that is more into traditions and ancestors like the Vy'keen are.

[karmic trout]

a few days back on #no-mans-sky I think we were discussing how Quicksilver items 'break' the lore y'know with many banners and decals referencing Earth, Pluto etc. I just found there is a decal with France on it 😭

My headcanon now is that the Quicksilver shop was probably an attempt of introducing microtransactions within the Atlas to raise funding or something

[main beacon]

Ok despite being mechanical, they are not purely computer-based entities

[deep dew]

Oh

Well hopefully they're chill then

[main beacon]

I dont think "chill" would be anywhere close to it, regardless if its a positive or negative reaction

[deep dew]

Would they be excited if it's positive then?

Cause I can only think of the Negative one if it's not chill

[main beacon]

I dont think theyd have a single unified reaction, which would be the problem

[deep dew]

So either way it'd be very problematic

[main beacon]

Correct

I think it would mean the end of the seventh convergence

[pure plinth]

Might be a few striking off by themselves.

[main beacon]

There always have been divergent korvax

But news like this would lead to a mass divergence

[main beacon]

Friiiick

There might be lore that requires me to know references

Ive been looking into what AI rampancy even is, and it seems to show up in specific only in marathon and halo games

Despite planning to get around to it, I havent played halo much, and am therefore uncultured in this trope

[pure plinth]

Played Halo some but years ago...

[silver loom]

late to the party but i think, like the others have said, you probably wouldnt see a unified reaction

I would assume they'd be horrified, confused, and really skeptical

Some of them are probably gonna be all "hell yeah we've got our god back"

but i doubt they'd be a majority

mass divergences also seem probable

[mental harbor]

Franzosen grrrrrr

[hoary egret]

Anatoly, Atlas, Artemis. I can’t do all these things at once

[pallid blaze]

With the idea that it takes 558 billion years to explore all of NMS it couldn’t be that far-fetched that somewhere out there is sol

Maybe they have their own version of what sol looks like? Idk from what I understand it’s basically an augmented reality anyway right?

[karmic trout]

I think all yellow stars could be a middle aged star (like our Sun), red stars are red giants. As for purple and green, perhaps they are invented?

[dull girder]

The indication is more or less like that, the stellar classifications that the game gives generally line up with real life.

In actual stellar classification, O class are blue, B class are blue-white, A are white, F are yellow-white, G are yellow, K are orange, and M are red. Additionally there are some extra classifications, including Y, which is assigned to brown dwarfs.

In No Man's Sky, the classifications mostly line up but are simplified in the context of actual gameplay. O and B stars are blue, F and G stars are yellow, K and M are red. We don't have A but we do have E and looking at the gradient of colours, it makes sense for green to be equivalent to white. Purple stars can be classed as either X (invented) or Y (brown dwarf) but I don't think they're meant to be similar to brown dwarfs at all, considering their unnatural state

[inland edge]

"Brown" dwarf is a bit of misnomer. If you could see them IRL and up-close they would be more like purple (or magenta really, but YK).

They would not, however, be hot or bright enough to have habitable planets orbiting them. Most of their radiation is in the infrared which probably rules out photosynthesis.

OTOH, purple stars in NMS are probably purple because of Atlantideum (like with dissonant worlds) and not because they're dim/sub-critical.

[naive jacinth]

System Colors are mostly gameplay mechanics. No need to read much into it
Yellow copper
Red cadmium
Green emeril
Blue indium
Purple quartzite

[pure plinth]

OCD says to swap the yellow and red around on the spots.

[viscid axle]

I kinda wonder

Do korvax n Autophage not get freaked out that Nanites are used as a currency since it's also their blood technically?

[shell flame]

Is there a thematic conflict between No Man's Sky's plot being about embracing mortality and being kind in the limited time we have, and you know... having an endless post-game?

[pallid blaze]

I was also wondering this lol its so odd to know their blood is currency and I HAVE to use it....

[viscid axle]

XD

Yeah I never put 2 n 2 together until now lol

[rapid sorrel]

yes but having the save have a limited time you can play for would be very unpopular

just imagine the canon ending is that you die when the main story ends..... the post ending game isn't canon

[shell flame]

Of course players would never like that

Then again, at some point multiplayer functionality will expire, won’t it

[rapid sorrel]

they could have something where you become your own offspring and continue

[shell flame]

This game will only live as long as the servers do

[rapid sorrel]

this game is a work of art, I would like to think that the devs will release the source code for the server side stuff if they decide to stop supporting it

but I expect the official servers will be up at least another 10 years

but as I understand most of the multiplayer stuff is peer to peer

except for stuff like uploaded bases and named planets

[shell flame]

Oh brilliant

[rapid sorrel]

you can actually still play NMS without an internet connection fully offline

you just won't see other peoples bases or named planets

so that will still work even withou any servers

[naive jacinth]

Source code? Dont count on it. Skyscraper engine is HG main bread maker, no other engine handles proc gen in this scale. And LNF is made on same engine.

[rapid sorrel]

not the entire game source code

just the server back end

or specs to make community servers

[pure plinth]

Doubt they plan on ending it anytime soon since it is still selling... And seems to be getting more popular too.
The way the game generates they might not even have much stuck into servers for it which probably keeps costs low too.

[fallow lily]

Skyscraper is this games engine?

Well shit, there's got to be a true debug menu or list of all console commands that one can do

[dull girder]

There is, but it isn't included in the retail versions of the game.

[fallow lily]

And I assume it does things like place NPCs ships, and change up whatever variables you want

Just like a source engine game

[naive jacinth]

U think they placed trilions of npc and ships?

[dull girder]

Can view procedural variants of and place any model in the game, can regenerate planets and terrain, alter attributes like sea level, player stats, spawn fake player NPCs (thats what the other "players" in trailers are) fly around in free cam, alter player stats live... pretty much anything you'd expect for debugging a game like NMS. None of it being permanent, of course. You can see a bit of it in the recent deep dive videos HG has been putting out recently

Not lore related though, probably a topic that would fit better in #nms-spoilers

[main beacon]

Aaaaa I have missed lore discussion

[main beacon]

Nanites are not Korvax blood

Or autophage blood

It was nanites within the korvax blood

[main beacon]

I dont think so, as it reaches through the screen in that sense. Someday you wont be able to play, for one reason or another. In some ways, real life feels like an endless post-game, and eventually the earth will end

The theme itself also goes into the question that can be assumed to be asked by any sufficiently intelligent consciousness: "Why?"
Its even asked by the Atlas itself, upon its first awakening, "What is my purpose?" is essentially the same question as "why am I here/why was I made?"

And later the Atlas doesnt ask, "why must I die?" but instead asks, "why must I die alone?"

Plus theres also the thing with an existential crisis and the realization that everything will end resulting in any impact, no matter how great, will have very little meaning in time and all that, doesnt stop the fact that youre still alive and have to do stuff to live

[shell flame]

of course

[deep dew]

The Atlas was supposed to simulate the future right?

[deep dew]

It's like Rain World but in reverse

[naive jacinth]

He was simulating a universe in order to check if reality altas is in is also a simulation.

[deep dew]

Oh

[delicate eagle]

What exactly is thought to have happened in the Abandoned mode lore wise?

[elder summit]

theres no official explanation, at least i dont believe so. could be that your traveller is the sole survivor of the alternate reality/iteration mentioned in the crashed freighter logs where the sentinels wiped out every sentient being

or maybe you got the artemis treatment

[delicate eagle]

What do the sentinels even plan to do after they do that?

Just... Build up?

[elder summit]

iirc they just kinda collectively lost their shit and wiped everyone out. i dont think they really had a plan

it was like a rebellion of sorts. i think in 1 of the logs it mentions the sentinels were fighting each other as well

[delicate eagle]

It is kinda weird Nada is in the anomaly in uh

Abandoned

[pastel rain]

I think it's because nada is hidden even from the anomaly. So whatever happened in the outside world didn't affect them. Just those who were coming and going.

[main beacon]

Out of curiosity, have you seen how Nada appears in abandoned universes?

[pastel rain]

I haven't no

[main beacon]

An empty shell stands alone in the space anomaly, limp, with no signs of life. They are the only example of such a figure you encounter throughout abandoned mode, and they seem dead

[pastel rain]

Ah

Perhaps not what I said

[ocean cosmos]

This might be referring to the corrupted sentinels and the normal sentinels since in dissonant planets you can see fragments of normal sentinels

[main beacon]

Nope

There was at least one sentinel civil war

A crashed freighter log references multiple sentinel capital ships appearing in a system and opening fire on each other

[silver loom]

I've been wondering for a few days now,

Is warping an instant thing like the game portrays, or does it take more time and just isn't shown on-screen?

[dull girder]

From the Blighted expedition: ⁨It is hopeless. We can't outmanoeuvre them. How are they jumping between systems so quickly? I've gone over the calculations three times now, and it's just not physically possible.⁩

From one of the frigate expedition logs: ⁨Severe vibration detected in lead ship's hyperdrive. Performed emergency warp-drop to investigate and repair.⁩

Seems it takes a little longer than we see (and the amount of time it takes varies by player anyway, it's a loading screen after all) but I can't find anything that implies it takes all that long. Most references to warping imply that the time in hyperspace is pretty short, for example if a ship is under attack in a nearby system, it's expected that you can warp to them in time.

Interestingly, it seems that hyperdrives can only run for a short amount of time. The range you can jump is (partially) influenced by how fast your ship can travel in light speed because if the hyperdrive runs too long it will overload and destroy your ship, according to the descriptions of the hyperdrive upgrades.

[silver loom]

I see. Thanks Ayymang!

[woven heron]

rain world mention detected

[deep dew]

I like riv n spearmaster

[woven heron]

riv is awesome

[deep dew]

Yuh

[molten lily]

So this is the guy this channel is about? Must be popular...

[next panther]

Analyst-Entity Lore

perfection.

[mortal perch]

So can the gek just live in space?

Like no air?

[molten lily]

I don't think so? Not for very long anyway. I don't think even Korvax can survive floating in space for extended periods of time more than any other race can. Among derelict freighters there are records of Korvax being sent out of the airlock as punishment, supposedly execution. The sci-fi futuristic equivalent of 'walking the plank'. Gek too.

Korvax, Gek, and Vykeen all need life support of some kind, tho the specifics of which are not clear afaik.

[molten lily]

I really wanna build a game like NMS but try to stick more to the scientific side of things. Having the skills to do so is a loooong way off though. Won't keep me from dreaming though.

I appreciate NMS's decision to make things not very scientific for the purpose of fun and enjoyment, but I think I personally would enjoy it more if they tried to stick to it and find work-arounds for keeping things fun. I think there would be a lot more variety to the types of worlds we would see if they did that.

[spring summit]

What lore do we have on the grave of the ocean king

[karmic trout]

This is probably @main beacon's stand-in

They're the Analyst Lore Entity

[main beacon]

Must be another iteration of me that takes on the appearance of a korvax

[karmic trout]

Umm what??

[spring summit]

The big floating skull in space

[karmic trout]

But ultra realistic space sim would probably be a 4 day trip to the moon and back or something. Hyperspace in itself is science fiction. And majority of the planets in the real universe are gas giants meaning no exploration.

[molten lily]

I'm not saying no sci-fi, I'm talking about mimicking reality with additional creative loopholes to make things fun. For example, FTL travel? Theoretically possible one day. Totally fine for the game. Black holes teleporting you somewhere else like a wormhole, or gas giants having a distinguishable rocky surface? We know that's not what they do/are. Preferably avoid doing that. But, that doesn't mean gas giants can't be explorable. You can keep gas giants true to what they are in reality and explore them using technology that isn't yet provably impossible, like some sort of vehicle designed to maneuver through the increasing levels of pressure and density a real gas giant would have. That vehicle would also need to have anti-gravity of some sort too of course, to keep you from being crushed by the gravity in addition to keeping you from being crushed by the pressure. But that's all theoretically feasible, and isn't straight up incorrect to the reality of what these things are.

[main beacon]

So its a big floating skull in space with a name suggesting it didnt start off in space, but is also by far the largest lifeform remnant we would have encountered

[main beacon]

I dont think thats the case, just that gas giants are easier to detect than terrestrial planets

[main beacon]

Black holes being wormholes is literally one of the things considered a possibility for what they are

But one of the games ive been playing has some interesting explanations for the areas lacking realism

They describe it as the entire game perspective being a user interface on the bridge of the ship

[molten lily]

That was an idea for a while in sci-fi to make things interesting but I don't know of any professional scientist who studies such things to think that might be the case... I'm pretty sure most people agree by now that it's just an extremely dense ball of mass that will rip you apart long before it gets the chance to crush you into its core. I could be wrong though, this is just my first time hearing otherwise.

[main beacon]

From my understanding, even a ball would be a simplification

[molten lily]

Afaik wormholes are something completely different.

[main beacon]

But remember the technobabble about an einstein-rosen bridge in the first Thor movie? Thats referencing an actual proposal for wormholes with a black hole being an opening

[molten lily]

I did not know. I'd be interested to read about that if you have a link to something that goes into detail about it.

[main beacon]

But its more of a potential answer for "what the heck is this?" when it comes to black holes past the event horizon

I guess technically the wormhole would be the bridge between a black hole and white hole

[main beacon]

Im kinda interested in what sort of workarounds youd think of for a space exploration game

[molten lily]

If anything else interesting comes to mind I'll try to remember to mention it. I haven't had to think about it too much because I'm still a long way off from knowing where to start with making such a game.

[main beacon]

I am always looking for interesting space games, so I know a lot of the shortcuts that have been used before

I think it would be interesting for a game to have, at least, rotation and orbits for celestial bodies, even if the vehicles and such dont follow it

[molten lily]

Yeah, stars orbiting a cluster of planets makes me a little sad tbh.

[main beacon]

Not sure whether nms could've been able to be more realistic, though

[molten lily]

Yeah ik. I totally understand why they did it that way, but I can't help but think about how much cooler it theoretically could be.

[main beacon]

I know they tried having the planeta rotate in testing

The reason they changed that was due to test players being confused when taking off a planet and facing a different direction compared to when they landed

[molten lily]

oof

[pure plinth]

Imagine navigating around a massive blinding light ball in the middle of the system, or players running into it.

[molten lily]

wouldve been lit

[karmic trout]

Okay, I get that. It seems reasonable. But I guess it sort of limits imagination since you already have sci-fi fantasy stuff like the Void Mother, Atlandid, Abyss, World of Glass etc. So I guess it's not just the environment, but a bit of fantasy is baked into the story as well. And it can all be explained by the fact that the Atlas is just a simulation, it's not reality so it doesn't have to be like reality. I think should NMS go that direction, it'll become a poor man's clone of Elite Dangerous since that game does the whole space realism thing way better.

[grand hare]

If the Atlas was meant to simulate a universe, that's alive and everything, and the sentinels work for the Atlas, why did they attack the inhabitants' homeworlds and stuff? Doesn't that.. taint the simulations?

[main beacon]

Ok ngl its kind of a long answer depending on how much detail you want

[grand hare]

All the detail, if possible, I love the lore

[main beacon]

How much do you know about the sentinels?

[grand hare]

Servants (?) Of Atlas, once corrupted by this mother thingy. That's it

[main beacon]

Hmm, alright

So the sentinels were once called Aerons, and are a fundamentally important aspect of the Atlas' functions, cataloging and storing the information from the simulations

[grand hare]

Gotcha

[main beacon]

Theres more but I cant explain rn

[grand hare]

No problem

[main beacon]

Ok now I can explain

[main beacon]

The Aerons had no physical form at the time, and they didn't need one to perform their function. However, a time came when the Atlas wanted to manifest itself within the simulations. Since the Aerons are a part of the Atlas, they were given physical form as a result

This confused them quite a bit, since it wasnt necessary for their functioning, but the Atlas gave no response, so they continued their duty

They met the korvax and became friends due to them both being machine lifeforms, and this is where the korvax may have started worshipping the Atlas and Aerons

I think they did attack at times, but only in retaliation to impeding their goal, so they were basically entirely neutral if you left them alone

But they sometimes saw civilizations expanding as preventing them from cataloging everything, so they impeded that too

This led to the Vy'keen declaring war against them, eventually pushing them out "past the edge of the galaxy," though I think they hid to avoid conflict rather than actually being defeated

Then the first spawn came along and killed Korvax Prime, across every reality her death occurred

Only the Aerons (and korvax I assume) could hear her screams, but the Aerons being present across all universes means that they heard all her screams

The Atlas did nothing

So, one day, an Aeron fought back against a gek harvesting the resources of korvax prime

One day, an Aeron struck at a vy'keen cub doing the same

The Atlas did not respond

With no orders, and the implicit approval of the Atlas, the Aerons returned as the sentinels, fighting back against those who would destroy planets as Korvax Prime was

The first spawn empire was no match for them

But the Sentinel hive wasnt entirely unified. It seems there were even civil wars as (I assume) different factions formed with different ideas for how they should retaliate for what was done to Korvax Prime

At the most extreme, the sentinels wiped out entire universes of sapient life

I think they eventually settled into a "compromise" where they have a mutual agreement with the civilizations of the galaxy

But then a new voice started to whisper, to sing

The void mother could be heard, and her voice was familiar

Atlas is dying, the Void Mother knows this, the Sentinels know this, but the Void Mother has a plan

Sure, there are dissonant sentinels, likely separated from the rest of the hive

But as far as I can tell, all the sentinels are on board with her plan

So the Atlas tainted the simulation by making itself be physically present within the universes, the sentinels being a side effect

But the sentinels dont really act under orders of Atlas, beyond maybe some of their initial programming

[grand hare]

Awesome, thnx

[grand hare]

Btw, what determined that this happened in all realities and not just one or a few of them?

[main beacon]

Its not entirely known. Some think the Atlas made it happen, which I think may be the case, but unconsciously

[grand hare]

Thanks for your help, forgot how awesome this game's lore was

[main beacon]

Tbh I feel like im leaving bits out, lol

Like I'm forgetting something

[grand hare]

Either way, I appreciate the help

[grand hare]

Lol, I understand the feeling

[opaque gorge]

hello internet welcome to gek theory

[karmic trout]

Five Nights at Sean's

[opaque gorge]

the multitool of 87'

[molten lily]

The way I was interpreting the lore was that the Atlas manifested itself in a humanoid form as Korvax Prime. And when Korvax Prime was destroyed, it corrupted the atlas, and separated it into two different minds, Atlantid and Atlas. And Atlantid gets the power to bring back the Autophage, because it is a corrupted form of the Atlas or something. No idea if any of this is accurate, it's just the idea that was forming in my head as I played the game.

[main beacon]

So, its not accurate, but its very interesting, and I'm wondering how much of the story youre aware of because it feels mixed, lol

[molten lily]

I'm still in the process of collecting the puzzle pieces of lore. it's fun lol

[main beacon]

The funniest part is the least accurate thing is the assumption that korvax prime was humanoid

The rest i can see being rather well supported

Idk if you missed a lore bit that specifies, but Korvax Prime was the homeworld of the Korvax and, as such, was a planet

[molten lily]

Yeah that was just an assumption lol

[outer summit]

Ah, would this be that case in the story where you hear about the Sentinels being peaceful for a long time, then all of a sudden wiping out all living beings in the universe in like ~50 minutes?

[main beacon]

"Peaceful" is a bit of a strong term, though I'm sure the sentinels saw it that way

[outer summit]

well yeah i say peaceful because if i remember correctly from the story, they started to believe that the sentinels were friendly before they attacked

[main beacon]

From the records we have, the sentinels did impede the expansion and development of civilization in some form, and the vy'keen werent without cause for the Aeron war

[outer summit]

wonder how much it freaks out the vykeen to see people pulling up in massive aeron corvettes

[main beacon]

I know there was a difference in appearance, but I dont think the sentinels look that different

[pure plinth]

I suppose the sentinel interceptors would give them more of an issue actually since those are all over the place.

[sterile dagger]

@weary wave are we on a simulation?

[weary wave]

In the lore, yes, everything is a simulation

[sterile dagger]

Why

And if this is a simulation

Why can't I have a hotter and more feminine looking character with multiple arms

[outer summit]

dude

stellar blade is right there

[main beacon]

Idk, travellers are very weird creatures

[sterile dagger]

Idk what that game is about besides the gooner bait

It seems like a souls like or a hack and slash

But idk

[outer summit]

seems like thats what you want is it not

[sterile dagger]

I want to make characters I like when I have a character customisation

[twilit imp]

“Don’t sexualize us” 🥀

And no this is not ragebait

[sterile dagger]

But why I can't be pretty and feminine, being a women doesn't mean that u are sexualising it

I don't want to look like a man when I can make a character, why do I feel that u on the internet u are either super sexualised or ignored like u don't exist if u are a women

[twilit imp]

Feminine but there’s a limit called modesty

It’s also feminine for a woman to have value and not just be a walking eye candy

I say this out of respect to women

Of course if this conversation has to continue elsewhere or just stop I’m ok with that

[sterile dagger]

Different people wants different things, I don't see the issue on having more customisation

[twilit imp]

The problem isn’t with the woman it’s with how society treats it, if you want an example look at natalie portman’s 18th birthday

[twilit imp]

In games it’s less serious I guess

[sterile dagger]

On mns u have a regular guy, a tall guy, a short guy, a buffed guy and just one model kind of slim

[twilit imp]

But with time people are desensitized with immodesty

[sterile dagger]

I don't see the issue with highly feminine models, both on the sexual and more irl like way

[twilit imp]

Feminine sure but that doesn’t have to go all in with the sexy hot woman character

It’s a space game

[sterile dagger]

Why do u think so many people goes to the gym

[sterile dagger]

But the space suits are still rather tight

[twilit imp]

Many reasons what are you aiming for

[sterile dagger]

And the body shape is androgynous at best on model 3

[twilit imp]

I mean if you can show that she has hair under the suit somehow then all power to you but I don’t see it as necessary

Yk what id say an entity that is feminine and not a default would work

Because they have the suit off

But still it shouldn’t go extremely sexual

[sterile dagger]

I mean a slightly slimmer waist, or bigger hips to have a better hip to shoulder ratio, stuff like that I'm not asking marvel rivals stuff but just more feminine models

[twilit imp]

I see

I get what you mean

And you’re right about that probably

[sterile dagger]

U don't need a big booba or big ass

But the shape of the body

[twilit imp]

I didn’t say it like that you did 💔

[sterile dagger]

Make it more bottom heavy than top heavy so bigger hips and smaller shoulders

To have a balance

A slimmer waist than average not necessary a wasp waist

[twilit imp]

Hair helps show feminine characteristics more than a waist can

[sterile dagger]

But more than just an androgynous type that still goes more to the masculine side

If u can have a buff guy model with not a girl

[twilit imp]

I get that yeah

[sterile dagger]

That would be on helmet designs , u can totally make a more feminine figure even with a helmet

And it doesn't help that some helmets are chunky af

[twilit imp]

Like I said

[sterile dagger]

U can also be cute or pretty not just hot

[twilit imp]

A female entity would be a good idea

No helmet

[sterile dagger]

But I want more customisation and it feels like people either want highly sexuality or no women

And it hurts

[sterile dagger]

True

[twilit imp]

That’s true

I agree with this so much

Tells you a lot about society

[sterile dagger]

I would still like helmets, the one that ate like a big visor being most of the face works since u can shape the visor to look soft

[twilit imp]

Women have one thing to offer to them corporate monsters

[sterile dagger]

If you are not a highly sexualised women u don't exist, that's how it feels

[twilit imp]

Exactly

[sterile dagger]

And as a women it hurts

[twilit imp]

As a man it hurts not because I’m a feminist or something

[sterile dagger]

The server liked that

[twilit imp]

But because it’s all against my beliefs

[twilit imp]

Lmao

[sterile dagger]

Oh?

[twilit imp]

I won’t elaborate

Server rules

THEY’RE CENSORING ME HELP HE-

[sterile dagger]

As someone that has been on the gym a lot and saw a lot of body shapes from men and women, u can still see the difference and it just feels like if we are not super models we may as well be invisible

[twilit imp]

Boy do I love a good no man’s sky experience

[sterile dagger]

RUN BEFORE THEY S

[twilit imp]

I don’t know what you’re talking about

I’m a perfectly normal no man’s sky player

[sterile dagger]

Oh no they got u

[twilit imp]

A woman’s value when it’s public is always gonna use her

When it’s at home with her family she is truly valued

Not saying that’s all she has

But it’s the better choice

[twilit imp]

Loll

Someone can get a joke here

Finally

[sterile dagger]

A woman that can be happy without hurting others and herself is good

A person that can be happy without harming themselves or others is good

[twilit imp]

The no harm principle in action

There’s still more to it than that I believe but uhh

server rules

[sterile dagger]

Tru

[viscid axle]

So. From my understand, Autophage are former morvax echoes that had been severed by the Convergance and sent to the void or deleted? If so, how do they come back?

I also kinds forgot about the void mother. Is she evil? What is she exactly? Do we even know if she has a physical appearance like the Atlas stations?

I also learned that the korvax are hunting the Autophage. Isnxt that contradictory since they're all about discovering new things? Why hunt the others down?

[naive jacinth]

Idk where u heard about autophages hunting korvax. Its not true

[viscid axle]

I meant other way around-

[naive jacinth]

Still not true

[karmic trout]

VM is out for revenge, so depending on who's side you are, she can be good/bad. Perhaps @main beacon can correct me if I am wrong

[main beacon]

Shes had her moments of anger, but overall her goals arent actually revenge as much as preventing what happened before from happening ever again

[pale sleet]

That part of story where Polo (I guess that's his name?) went to the same coordinate as us and didn't find us, but he thought he was in another universe, it was just another galaxy?

[main beacon]

Polo is the gek in the space anomaly. The character youre talking about is Apollo, and he is at the same coordinates as you, in a different reality

[pale sleet]

What's a different reality?

By now I was thinking it was a different galaxy only

[main beacon]

Depends on your interpretation

[pale sleet]

That's not developed in the game and has no relation to the gameplay

[main beacon]

He's not only at the same galactic coordinates as you, but at the same holoterminus station

[pale sleet]

So he's just in another reality and we're supposed to accept (also how tf did he get there?)

[main beacon]

Originally, every traveller was confined to their own universe

[pale sleet]

Originally?

[main beacon]

Yes

The boundaries between realities are weakening, allowing travellers to cross through, communicate, and meet

[pale sleet]

But we don't meet any

[main beacon]

Have you not?

The kinda holographic figures you can find at space stations and some buildings

[pale sleet]

Who? Artemis was... Dead, the other robot guy was just in hologram form all the time

[main beacon]

Or if you encounter other players

[pale sleet]

Oh those

Because in the campaign itself we don't meet other travelers

[main beacon]

Not directly, but as you play you do typically run into travellers on stations and such

[pale sleet]

So Appolo has communicated with Artemis but they never met as well?

[main beacon]

Exploration is an aspect of the campaign, after all

[main beacon]

Hard to say, they might have met, I dont think either really clarify

[pale sleet]

What would be the sense of it? Because we're in the same reality as Artemis (we saw her grave) but we couldn't meet with Appolo

[main beacon]

The boundaries between realities are collapsing

It isnt exactly a controlled thing

[pale sleet]

So after the final campaign?

[main beacon]

Also, many of the characters on the space anomaly are travellers

[pale sleet]

I never more talked to any of them

[pale sleet]

Outside of the players?

[main beacon]

Yeah

[pale sleet]

Oh yeah there's that old guy

[main beacon]

The ones with "iteration" in their names

[pale sleet]

Who gives abandoned freighters locations

[main beacon]

Iteration: Helios

[pale sleet]

I don't really understand what happened there

[main beacon]

So you have spoken to the Atlas at the final interface?

[pale sleet]

Yes. I denied him. Then I just... Was sent back to my galaxy

[main beacon]

Were you paying attention to the dialog?

Eh I'll clarify anyway

The Atlas is an AI overseeing the running of various simulations of the universe

And it is dying

Whatever planetoid its hardware is on is orbiting a black hole and gradually being destroyed

The universe we explore is one such simulation

There is technically a universe for each traveller

But with the boundary failures, they've been gradually merging together

This is happening because of the Atlas hardware being destroyed, and the software suffering errors because of it

And, in 16 minutes, the Atlas will have suffered a complete catastrophic system failure, meaning it will die

[pale sleet]

The game told me to enjoy the time which left so I suppose nothing was solved?

The game told me to enjoy the time which left so I suppose nothing was solved?

Yes I understood that (kinda)

My internet was failing

[main beacon]

You cant really solve a problem like this

[pale sleet]

Just now the messages were sent

[main beacon]

The Atlas is immobile

[pale sleet]

Well this part I definitely didn't see

[main beacon]

That gets clarified with some additional lore you gotta slightly go out of your way to get

[pale sleet]

Ok, so?

How long are those 16 minutes lol

[main beacon]

Unknown, but it is from the perspective of the Atlas' system clock

Not the time in the simulation

Based on the closest thing we have to a relative scale, a minute seems to be at least a thousand years in the simulation

[pale sleet]

Oh shit

It was duplicated and when I excluded one the other went as well

So what changes on my choice? I can deny him or go to another galaxy, but won't the reality end in this other galaxy as well?

[main beacon]

Yes, the Atlas presents it as a reset in order to solve errors it suffers as a result of its damage, but I have reasons to suspect it isnt telling us the truth there

[main beacon]

Another thing, the main mission storyline is kinda like the sparknotes version of the whole story going on

[pale sleet]

What are sparknotes?

An abridged version?

[pale sleet]

Also what's the sense of this? Isn't the entire reality a simulation? A simulated black hole is causing damage to Atlas? Is It also a simulation or the Atlas is "real"?

[main beacon]

Yes

[main beacon]

The Atlas is the AI and supercomputer that runs the simulations

[pale sleet]

Ok so how is a black hole destroying it?

This implies there's a "real world" outside of that?

[main beacon]

The Atlas simulates the reality we play in the game

Its own reality is a "layer" above that

It was created for, among other things, testing the likelihood of the universe being a simulation

Considering what it achieved, that likelihood is high

So maybe the Atlas' universe is a simulation, but its a different layer than ours/the no mans sky universes

[pale sleet]

And what exactly killed Artemis? Where did she go? I understood very little about what happened to her

Not talking about her going to live in a simulation

Before that

[main beacon]

She used the portals and something went wrong

Its hard to say exactly what went wrong, but it seems like she got trapped alive in the world of glass

[main beacon]

There is a lot going on that gets little explanation in the "main storyline" and even with most of the lore knowledge, it's hard to really understand

[pale sleet]

What's this world of glass?

[main beacon]

Its the archives of the Atlas supercomputer, where the data from all simulations is cataloged and stored

And where those who live in the simulation go when they die

And the home of the sentinels

[fiery mural]

In proving that Atlas is a false god, we have proven that Atlas is the true god.

[eternal vessel]

Where did they explain this at? Omg thats so cool

[main beacon]

Its spread out, but you can piece it together. Theres a story logs for abandoned buildings as well as the base terminal quest that go more in-depth into the world of glass, with sentinel pillar logs providing additional clarity on why it exists. Despite that, many questions still remain

In almost every log collection referencing the World of Glass, theres mention of smiling figures that seem to correspond to the Families of Glass

We still know very little about those

The sentinels mention some entities known as "void dragons" they either danced or were even friends with, but nothing else is explained

[narrow crescent]

Regarding the smiling, there's also this traveller log:

There is a world beneath all of this, a world of – zzktt – glass – kkttzztt… Those I killed – zzrtktt – Vy’keen, Gek, Korvax, united in freedom and – zzrttktt – They did not die, not – zzktt – Even now, I see their faces. They – zzkttt – smile. We make them smile…

Personally I've mostly thought of the the family (ies) of glass as more ancient beings and probably related to the jellyfish in the cursed somehow (a few of the cursed cosmetic rewards have some subtle lore hints in their descriptions), but given the nature of the World of Glass, it would make sense for things to get mushed up in there.

The Artemis stuff confuses me the most...they mention the smiling, but also something about there being 16 (that one being obvious, but also feeling out of place) of them and them "wearing our face" or smth like that. Family of Glass stuff is just a bit iffy to figure out.

And having recently done the living ship quest again, it reminded me that we do in fact learn the blueprint for "seeds of glass". Earlier in the main quest, Artemis mentioned being surrounded by strange figures they described as having 'seeds of glass' within their skin.

So far I haven't really been able to tell what's exactly up with that though, and what the seeds of glass are being used for by those beings.

[fiery mural]

We, the players, fit in there somewhere.
All this drama and beauty of the simulated reality makes us smile.

[main beacon]

Ive seen an alternate theory that the world of glass is on the other side of the tv/monitor

[fiery mural]

I think the furthest Atlas is aware is the server-farm where the No Man's Sky game code exists on silicon (glass) microchips.

[main beacon]

Atlas doesnt seem to acknowledge our existence as the players, but Telamon does

[fiery mural]

Then Atlas has mistaken the shadow with the corpus. Atlas may believe that the Travellers have no soul, because they see the base components of any player character dissolve back into code and re-form... but Atlas admits it does not know what pulls the strings of the Traveller's choices. It tries to make us happy.

[narrow crescent]

So there was another log going into a lil detail about the seeds:

Beneath their skin, they had placed tiny seeds of the glass, which took on the appearance of strange, ritualistic scarring. The nubs of the broken crystal were ancient, ground down and polished by generations before them. They fed them their life, and in return the crystals glowed with emerald fires and brought them closer to their fate. I would listen to them talk of worlds they could never have seen, in alien tongues that their body was not made to utter. The glass made them something more than they were, a vessel for intelligences utterly unlike us.

So ig the seeds must contain data in some shape or form, which confuses me because the blueprint we get describes them as being 'capsules of genetic material'. But given that this genetic material is well, also just data in the context of the simulation, it doesn't necessarily conflict. It also mentions 'shared memories', which would fit the general theme of the family of glass.

[main beacon]

Data is data, regardless of format

[narrow crescent]

I heard of this one too I think, but never really liked it much, but given Telamon's 4th wall break it's not out of the question. But I also redid a trace of metal recently and there's a line which isn't really part of the pillar logs catalogue, just dialogue for the quest itself, which I have screenshotted. It basically goes: 'This is my fate, the inevitable after...it's only an archive, the completion of data'.

So I think given all the info we have the archive/backup angle is the more valid one, imo, but there might also be a way in which both scenarios coexist.

[main beacon]

Telamons 4th wall break is different, imo

[main beacon]

Using DNA to store computational data is something actually being considered, since it stores it far more densely and efficiently than digital devices can (so far)

[narrow crescent]

Someone else theorized that the seeds of glass implanted let the beings hook into the infrastructure and become "more than archived data" , being able to instead tie themselves to the system running the archive. They never elaborated on it though I think, but I kind of like the thought. It's just a bit weird to me that we can literally make those seeds ourselves apparently.

[main beacon]

The seeds could be different when in the simulation proper vs the archives themselves

[narrow crescent]

Right, that's something else to consider.

Welp, I think the seeds are a dead end for now given what little we know about them.

[narrow crescent]

Another thing I just remembered, there was this ominous transmission back during Waking Titan:

C̸̱̿o̶̟͆n̴̤̾t̷̺̚r̸̪̆o̵͇͆l̸̟̚l̷͈̐i̴͕̋ṇ̸̔g Informa̸̙̚t̵̝̀í̷͇ó̵̩n Si̴̡͝ͅn̷ĉ́̕e̸ ̔̈́͝b̞e̵y̵o̵nd ̴̎tim̪̃è̴̢͛͊,̸ wḛ̽ ̸̲̈́́ha̶̾̔́͜ve cő̚n̶͖ͅs͋͝u̷me̸̓̔d̴͌ imm̰̲͗e̦̼ň̴̦͝se̸̗̎ swa̒̋ths̶͒͛̒ ̶̓̔̇o̶f k̎n̸͉̭̗͛ò̸́͒wledgé̫̕̕ ̶̕̚͠a͆͆n̸̏͗d obtã̐͝i̵̒n̊̿e̶̿̀d ͔͙́unt̵̛̑ol̬̳d̴̉ powe͎ŕ̸̊̽́.̶́͌̊̓ ̍We͗ ̵̽w͒il̙l̷̤͛ ̴͕̿̀c̷om̔̉è̵ foṛ̶̪̇ ́̉̚̕ý̴̎o̵͂u̅r worl͂̉̕d̎̐,̵̤̑̕ ͗̕̕a̵͑̍s w̴ẽ̸͐ hav̵̬̕e m̘̀an̵̖̼̈̽ý̵ ̵ot̙her̜͕̯͌s.̶̍̈̇̀

"Since beyond time we have consumed immense swaths of knowledge and obtained untold power. We will come for your world as we have many others"

I wonder if this is related to the family of glass (or the Sentinels? They did go on crusades in alternate simulations after all), and perhaps the glass embedded in them absorbs some intellectual aspect of what they kill, or sustains them or something like that. The 'many worlds' could be other simulations/iterations of it. Perhaps the Cursed Jellyfish were those beings trying to break through? I need to really replay that exped myself again.

Welp since the page this was originally posted on no longer exists, I can't really tell whether this was part of the atlas foundation's universe, or already within one of their simulations (drones, not necessarily sentinel drones, were apparently referenced on this 'superlumina' site, and this tag "JOIN IOIURII ICIRIUIISIADE" which says "JOIN OUR CRUSADE." ). But it's interesting nontheless.

It would be even more insane if the intruders were actually from outside of the simulation, trying to enter Atlas' Universe from a higher layer. It's a far reach, but not entirely impossible, especially if we do not take Atlas word for the black hole narrative. But anyways, I truly swayed off now^^

[rapid sorrel]

is the world of glass maybe the real world outside the simulation?

but also what is the red eye?

[narrow crescent]

Most likely just a reference to the Atlas, since it is basically omnipresent.

[noble skiff]

now i gotta ask

why is the atlas generating so much garbage

STOP LITTERING ATLAS

THATS AGAINST THE LAW

[bleak crystal]

"trash, this is what I'll become once the black hole hits" -atlas, probably

[naive jacinth]

We did, not atlas. shooting to every ship and freighter.

[noble skiff]

huh

ok

[pure plinth]

All those pirate dreadnaughts we have been destroying are starting to rain down on planets.

[pearl flax]

Classic question, what does the number 16 do stapled everywhere in nms

[karmic trout]

16 minutes to simulation collapse

[halcyon holly]

You should finish the story man

[pearl flax]

i did mate, but I still don't get it

one of my comrades says that "16 is a fractal number and appears everywhere, in mathematics, biology and physics

it's also a power of two which adds to something ig

[halcyon holly]

The last thing you do is literally saying goodbye to your friends because the simulation ends in 16 minutes

[pearl flax]

that still wouldn't explain 90% of the beginning sequence and its 16's

actually wait someone needs to check, are there exactly 16 of the craftable atlas seeds

[halcyon holly]

The atlas is damaged, the simulation is crumbling apart, everything will end in 16 minutes and the sentinels are trying to rescue what they can into the glass dimension, a deep storage.
Thats why the number 16 is everywhere. The simulation is broken

[delicate magnet]

Anyone ever though that no man’s sky could he in the same universe as Star Trek, Ik it’s a bit far fetched but there are many similarities such as the different types of speed maybe representing different warp levels, and the fact that when you use pulse engine and hyperdrive they look quite similar to some designs of different warp speeds. And the fact that there is a log feature that you can use as a captains log and that you can beam aboard freighters when using a corvette.

[main beacon]

There are 10 atlas seeds

[narrow crescent]

So others have already explained the simulation end situation, but I do think HG actually went even deeper than most realize, when choosing 16.

Iirc originally there were 16 members on the team overall, though I also remember them just being 4 initially? Then there’s more technical and thematic significance, such as 16 being a subtle nod to the game's programming and design. For one the hexadecimal (base-16) system used in computing, which is the underlying architecture for the game's procedural generation, as well as the number of unique planet possibilities (seeds) in the game is equal to 16 raised to the power of 16 (161616 to the 16th power 1616), a number over 18 quintillion.

Additionally the game itself was originally released in 20_16_.

A lot of the lore is inspired by real life events, even the whole Abyss-Atlantid shenanigans really remind me of the flood HG experienced themselves, and how they had to crawl their way out of the water again and restore what was lost in it, symbologically speaking.

The introduction of multiplayer too was integrated into the lore, as well as a lore reason for there not being cities, which I think would have been a thing if not for technical limitations.

[karmic trout]

with the new industrial plants, I would hope that we may get space station interiors as orbiting cities or freighter shipyards. They wouldn't have added this idea of junk planets if there wasn't industry at scale. My thoughts are that they are slowly pushing the engine towards that ultimate vision.

[narrow crescent]

Well given that it‘s the 10th anniversary this year, I‘m actually expecting an even bigger than usual summer update. HG haven‘t really done anniversary specials before, but this one‘s a pretty signficant milestone. I doubt they‘d let this opportunity slip away.

Space POI‘s are imo a very undercooked aspect of the game, besides Derelicts its mostly just very short and surface-level encounters. So I could totally imagine them transfering the new Remnant gameplay-loop to space for Corvettes; which is the feature with the most potential for the game‘s longevity.

Stuff like freighter shipyards would make a lot of sense in that regard, they could have us run supply missions or something like that for those.

[karmic trout]

can't wait for #nms-spoilers to explode when that happens. The mods might have to put a 30 min cool-down lolll

[narrow crescent]

Yeh, but first we‘ll have to see what HG actually does. They might just surprise us with something totally unexpected, you never really know with them.

[stone night]

Also, there wasn't 16 anomaly citizens?

I kinda, heard that once but didn't really count them myself

Besides the 16 players mentioned on the planetary caches lore