nms-lore

[main beacon]

I believe we can encounter vy'keen on lunch breaks, maybe gek too

Gek definitely eat stuff, various substances allow them to produce different pheromone scents

[heavy ruin]

abandoned stations are kind of creepy but you can sometimes find good resources in the trade terminal.. I don’t really understand how they summon sentinels if they don’t have a station core of some kind. at least not one thats visible

[karmic trout]

Maybe the station core is still active. The vibe I get is that the stations were abandoned, not deactivated.

Hence the ability to summon Sentinels.

[dull girder]

Probably. The old station design had a "core" that was just a glowing light in the darkness behind the glass at the back of the station. There isn't a light there in the abandoned station, but we also can't see what state the core is in

[tough topaz]

The pirate stations still have their core but they’re not connected

[shut wigeon]

what is the "loreful" reason why pirate stations don't have short range teleporters from the corvette landing bays?

pirates hate corvettes? it's a security measure?

[dull girder]

Stations too old? Or maybe the power grid can't support them, it looks like the pirate stations are in some sort of low power mode

[silver loom]

perhaps they've got the station in low power mode so that, on the off chance authorities of some kind (be it any of the Big 3 races, or Sentinels) scan the station for activity they won't be detected

[dull girder]

Yeah, or the station isn't functioning properly because it was an abandoned one that they took over

[main beacon]

I dont think one has been given yet, but my idea is that they could be working on it, but pirate stations are based in old and abandoned stations, so it could be difficult

[timber zinc]

what's the lore behind the fact that we can change our appearance to different races, faces, heads, mechanics, and so forth? please ping me

[dull girder]

From the base building menu description for the appearance modifier: "The module applies advanced holographic techniques to recalibrate the light around the user, allowing them to adopt whatever appearance they desire."

[main beacon]

Yup, appearance modifiers indeed do what is advertised, and this actually does factor into the lore... though it seems other means of imitation and disguise are used as well. Im sure theres a way to tell whether a lifeform is using a modified appearance

[dull girder]

NPCs still recognize you immediately as a traveller (or at least as some type of alien they've never seen before) even when your appearance is customized to any other race. Maybe it's really easy to see through the disguise, or maybe HG just didn't feel like writing an extra three or four versions of every NPC interaction

[main beacon]

Id bet its possible to be one of the races and a traveller-anomaly at the same time

[pure plinth]

Gek would sniff out an imposter really quickly.
Vy'keen might have some other way, and Korvax mostly interconnect so would seem strange to them when you show up looking the same as they do but wouldn't respond the way they would expect from another Korvax.

[main beacon]

The vy'keen way to tell if someone is faking their species is that nobody else understands their customs

[main beacon]

BUT it is still possible for the races to disguise themselves

The korvax have done it

Fairly sure they still do

The gek have been trying as well, but I'm not sure how successful their attempts are

[lavish sigil]

So, wild thought i had

In lore nms is a simulation right?

[main beacon]

Yes

[lavish sigil]

Who's running it?

[main beacon]

Atlas

[lavish sigil]

Yet who controls the atlas?

[main beacon]

No one

[lavish sigil]

So the atlas is a computer basically?

[main beacon]

The Atlas is a supercomputer and the advanced AGI it supports

[pure plinth]

Probably a lot easier for them to mimic other ones when they have been in contact with the other races for some long span of time, the way it seems with the traveler is that you wouldn't know anything of the 3 main races at first.

[main beacon]

Have you encountered the remembrance logs?

[lavish sigil]

I have remembrance but never knew how to use it

[main beacon]

Ever wondered what was behind atlas pass v2 and v3 doors?

[lavish sigil]

Yeag

Yeah*

[main beacon]

Sometimes its extra loot, or a gardening room

Sometimes its a room full of servers, with an access terminal

You can only access it if you have remembrance installed

[lavish sigil]

Star seed?

What does star seed do

[main beacon]

Thats a different thing

That one gives health

Remembrance does too, apparently, but it also allows access to the remembrance terminals

The Atlas has more to show you

[lavish sigil]

And where do I get the logs at

[main beacon]

Its sorta random

Any room behind locked doors requiring Atlas pass v2 or v3 (v3 opens all) can have the terminal

So minor settlements and abandoned space stations can have them

[lavish sigil]

So my understanding is basically

Any locked door has hidden lore?

And speaking of lore

[main beacon]

Uhhh

Potentially

[pure plinth]

Guess I've only seen v3 doors on the abandoned space stations but wasn't exploring buildings too hard either.

[main beacon]

The lore behind locked doors (aside from what might be able to be speculated based on other room types) is pretty much only the remembrance logs

[main beacon]

Also I'm wondering what comes after this, lol

[lavish sigil]

I was gonna type all the lore i know but its probably all wrong

[main beacon]

Im sure you got at least some of it right

[lavish sigil]

About korvax being enslaved and freeing themselves by sacrificing themselves to baby gek to end the first spawn

Autophage being former korvax forced to rebuild themselves

Sentinels being former atlas "gaurds" and servants then breaking off from the atlas and korvax primes destruction causing them to go dissonant

About vykeen being basically the Vikings, a warrior race and hating sentinels and purging them

The pirates / rebels being split from the atlas and attacking systems that arent themselves basically no laws at all

The gek being traders now but a war machine that enslaved the korvax, destroying korvax prime and more

Plus the atlas, a "god" that is running a simulation for whatever being, Being the creator of everything and such

[main beacon]

Id say you have a generally accurate summary derived from what you'd have learned through the main story

[main beacon]

The least accurate part would be your knowledge on the sentinels, but thats fair tbh

[lavish sigil]

Yeah I just see them and kill them for carrier AI fragments

I know alot more but I was keeping it short

[main beacon]

Yeah, theres a lot to the lore, lol

[lavish sigil]

As I know its a hive mind, Our favorite sentinel, LayLaps, broke off from it (with our help) and they are planet guardians and such

[main beacon]

Heh, uh...

[lavish sigil]

?

[main beacon]

Did you know that sentinel pillars have logs too?

[lavish sigil]

Yeag

Yeah

[main beacon]

How far have you gotten with them?

[lavish sigil]

Not very-

[main beacon]

Do you know the Abyss?

[main beacon]

Those logs basically tell the sentinels' history from their perspective

[lavish sigil]

Nope

[lavish sigil]

Welp omw to farm all of it

[main beacon]

Does her other common name of Void Mother sound more familiar?

[lavish sigil]

Atlantid?

The autophage one?

[main beacon]

Yes

[lavish sigil]

Yea

[main beacon]

Her influence was first felt through the Abyss

The horrors of the deep, and of the abandoned

[main beacon]

Do you know her other name?

[lavish sigil]

No-

[main beacon]

Youll probably start figuring out as you read more sentinel logs

[lavish sigil]

The one time I want to kill a walker I cant find a single sentinel

[main beacon]

Yeah, lol

I used my stockpile to complete the logs

[lavish sigil]

Or gravitinos

[lavish sigil]

What should I stockpile

[main beacon]

Stockpile of sentinel boundary maps

[lavish sigil]

I have like 50 of them in my storage somewhere

[main beacon]

Oh use those

[lavish sigil]

As a just in case I have less where do I get them again

Its been a while since I farmed sentinel stuff

[main beacon]

I kinda forgot

[pure plinth]

None of the exocraft scanners would pick up those sentinel pillars would they?
I know with the Nomad it was easy to find the monuments that led to a portal but hadn't messed around with all the others as much.
Used to kill plenty of those big walkers and found pillars that way but they seemed to have become more bug prone and spawn underground.

[timber zinc]

@dull girder@main beacon Thank you!

[main beacon]

I finally thought of the indirect way to use exocraft to scan for sentinel pillars, which is scanning for resource depots, which are guarded by sentinels you can fight and beat wave 5 to find a pillar

[pure plinth]

Multiple steps but certainly would work.

[main beacon]

Its still multiple steps with monoliths

[supple arch]

why do electronic beings refer to the traveler as Telamon

[main beacon]

Isnt it only laylaps?

[supple arch]

the autophage ship refers to you as telamon too i think

[main beacon]

Hmm

Well, Telamon does refer to something, do you wanna be told or find out for yourself?

[supple arch]

will i find out in the course of playing the game

[main beacon]

You can, but if you wanted to find out for yourself, I was gonna direct you on how to do so

[supple arch]

i'd like to find out for myself

[main beacon]

On exotic or infested planets in abandoned or inhabited systems, there are large ring-shaped structures called boundary failures. On one side is a terminal. Youll have to visit quite a few to get all the logs, but they arent too hard to find

[supple arch]

okie dokie

thanks

[main beacon]

No problem! I always like helping others learn the lore of this game

[shell flame]

I find it funny how the sentinels give up when you defeat 5 waves in a row; GTA and other open world games often have infinite police to send after a law breaking player, but here we have a faction which would plausibly have unlimited resources and they surrender after getting blown up hard enough

[main beacon]

Its not really a complete surrender, more like they temporarily withdraw

Which... better than the alternative

If nms were like GTA with infinite police, we'd have another universe where sapient life is wiped out

[pure plinth]

It would get annoying fast if they just kept pouring in after 5 stars since there isn't much to gain after downing the walker.
Dissonant planets though go to 5 stars then sort of reset and then can start all over if you mess with another sentinel.

[main beacon]

I figure infibute waves basically means infinite escalation, which the sentinels are definitely capable of

[dull girder]

They used to, didn't they? It was changed when they made it so we could disable them I think

I think there's probably something there in regards to the Sentinels getting weaker. They used to be on every planet too

[main beacon]

They arent weaker

Assuming so is the mistake the vy'keen made

If they seem weaker, it means theyre withdrawing

Arguably, that's more concerning

Especially given the plan

[dull girder]

Withdrawing sounds more accurate, yeah

question is - where did they go?

[main beacon]

World of glass, same as before

[weary turtle]

Ay don't diss my honorable warriors, they would've won if it weren't for the gek

[main beacon]

They thought that was the case, and I can't blame them for it, but it doesnt change the fact that they were horribly wrong

[weary turtle]

But would the sentinels be doing what they're doing now if korvax prime wasn't destroyed?

[main beacon]

No, but what theyre doing now isnt the only way they reacted

In at least one other universe, the sentinels wiped out all sapient life

Took them like a month or something

[weary turtle]

With them being disconnected from the Atlas, do they have their own hive mind thing or is the Void controlling then? I don't remember where the Void fits in with the sentinels.

[main beacon]

The sentinels as a whole aren't really disconnected from the Atlas. The Atlas just hasn't given them actual orders since they were given physical form

[leaden torrent]

Hear me out: Helios is just an example of the old adage "careful what you wish for". Notice that when you offer him data, he says "please, take these nanites. They are nothing, but they are all I have now." I think in his life pre anomaly, he was a poor but hardworking farmer, trying and failing to support his family. The atlas saw this and smiled upon his dedication, and decided to grant him one wish. Anything he wished for would be made "reality". You can probably guess he wished for vast wealth so his family would never hunger again. He was then scorned and exiled by his mates for becoming insolent, snobby, and leaving them behind while he relishes his wealth. He runs away, and eventually the anomaly finds him. He is accepted there as an outcast, and he offers travellers nanites for data of the world he can never see again. He gives them these nanites to take some emotional burden off his shoulders, what with having all that wealth.

Basically, Helios is just the guy from the offspring video for "You're gonna go far kid"

[main beacon]

Atlas doesnt exactly hand out gifts, tbh, but Helios does have something going on

Also, being a traveller themself, its hard to say whether Helios had a family, at least in the traditional sense, since traveller anatomy/physiology is really weird

[lavish sigil]

Mr. Lore man, what's the lore behind living ships?

[main beacon]

An ancient korvax experiment to understand the consciousness of entities not connected to the convergence, dating back to before the destruction of Korvax Prime, and likely had her involvement in the project

Well, I say "likely" but what I mean is "its not outright stated clearly"

[lavish sigil]

Ooh thank you

[main beacon]

Ngl my response was automatic and I had already sent the reply before even realizing who asked it, lol

[lavish sigil]

Lol

Yeah its kinda cool though

Now my question is how void eggs were made

[main beacon]

Im actually not sure

They can be encountered in space

[weary turtle]

Don't most travelers just kinda pop into the universe?

[main beacon]

As far as I'm aware, all travellers did, but theres some lore bits that suggest the possibility of travellers being able to have offspring

[weary turtle]

Ooh, which lore bits?

[main beacon]

One or two vy'keen planetary archive entries

[weary turtle]

I gotta check more of those out then, I love vy'keen

[main beacon]

Theres a poem that, iirc, is said to date to a time before hirk and nal, or at least before the religion became dominant, that honors a specific traveller

Either that same archive log, or a different one, claims that this traveller settled amongst the vy'keen and started a family

I need to check the log in my stories collection again to remember more accurately

[viral heart]

Guys in the story I didn’t understand if we’re supposed to be like the main character or if the null guy is or if every traveller has their own universe

[main beacon]

Depends how you define "main character" and this story isnt exactly a standard one

Id argue that Atlas is the main character, and the player is the protagonist

Not all stories are told from the perspective of the main character

Oh also technically every traveller has their own universe, but thats gradually meaning less and less as universes collapse together

[timber zinc]

why is there abandoned systems and spooky haunted stations?

and where did the core go in the station?

please ping me, I love Lore

[main beacon]

Could be a ton of potential reasons tbh

[main beacon]

And the core used to be far less visible than it is now, and abandoned stations resemble older ones

[timber zinc]

OOH!

🐱
🍿

Do tell!

[main beacon]

Well, its potential reasons and most wouldnt be very exciting tbh

Could be war, poor economy, driven out by sentinels, one of the various songs that are usually related to the abyss in some form

They could be boundary failures with previous/adjacent universes

[timber zinc]

neat!

thanks

[main beacon]

And it could be possible that those who lived there simply ended up moving away, and the system fell into disrepair

I think the various growths and infestations in and around abandoned places holds more lore implications

[pure plinth]

Kind of like derelict freighters and abandoned buildings, something clearly grew where it wasn't supposed to.

[main beacon]

Yeah, it seems like the same, or very very similar, stuff

[weary turtle]

I just realized that abyssal horrors line up with the Abyss's plan to contaminate all the water in the universe

[latent hinge]

DUDE IMPLEMENT QUICK & FAST INVENTORY ITEMS SHIFT

[karmic trout]

??

This has to go to #nms-the-future if I'm not mistaken

[blissful cypress]

Hi everyone Im new here, I've been playing on and off for a few years.
I've been working hard on my corvette and Id like to compare stats, if anyone is interested.

[timber zinc]

hi! welcome! please check #nms-corvette-discussion for that

[main beacon]

Well I am happy to report that the issue I had with my game crashing seems to be fixed

Related to this, I know what the sixth cry is about

[snow vessel]

So are sentinals good or bad?

I didn't pay attention to sentinal lore :<

[supple arch]

who are the Unknown

[snow vessel]

Exactly what they sound like, things that have no explanation

[main beacon]

Specify? Which thing is this talking about? Lol

[main beacon]

Its entirely a matter of perspective

The very same reason many players dislike, or even hate the sentinels, is the reason the sentinels act the way they do

[supple arch]

i see mention of an Unknown capitalized sometimes in lore and expedition logs

also the sentinels are necessary to provide friction in the game

[main beacon]

Either I have missed it or accidentally skipped over it

[supple arch]

i remember when i first started every planet had enough sentinels that you had to watch your step

[main beacon]

I havent seen any reference to an Unknown in lore logs, but when searching it up, I did see that it can appear in frigate expedition logs

[main beacon]

Sometimes it feels like plenty of planets still do, lol

But as a faction, I cant really call them evil

[supple arch]

yeah but there are also a lot of planets with almost or no sentinel presence

[main beacon]

Actually, considering sentinel lore, this might be indicative of something, lol

[supple arch]

wait the outlaws are a faction

i have to break the law to rise up in their ranks?

how did i complete bounties without knowing it

oh it's just killing fugitives

[supple arch]

how do i find a portal

[naive jacinth]

#nms-commands

[weary turtle]

I only hate the sentinels because they get in the way of the honorable march to dryn-dargh

[main beacon]

Dryn'dargh isnt exactly lost, iirc

[main beacon]

Why do the vy'keen know best of the sixth cry?

I need other lore scholars to discuss this pattern with!

[main beacon]

The triad have patterns that illustrate aspects of the Atlas and its mind

The vy'keen are often ignored in these aspects, but a pattern emerges

Brother against brother, kin against kin

Civil war

One rises, the other falls

And the sixth cry

Do the other races speak of it outside of reference to the vy'keen?

[weary turtle]

I'd have to check, I don't know much about gek or korvax

But yeah the vy'keen had a pretty unique relationship with the Atlas

[main beacon]

Do you know the pattern's origin? Because I recently pieced it together, but I know I'm still missing something

[weary turtle]

It's telamon getting rejected right?

[main beacon]

It goes before that

To the very beginning

How many times must we cry out to the Atlas before it answers?

[weary turtle]

It might've been the atlas talking to its creator, I don't remember how that conversation goes

[main beacon]

How many times did hirk and nal cry to the atlas?

How many times did Telamon call out?

How many times did the creator reset the atlas after first activating it?

[weary turtle]

Five, and on the sixth they were answered

You think there's more significance to the number than just its repetition?

[main beacon]

The sixth cry is a recurring pattern, derived from the Atlas' first activation

Because it was restarted six times by the creator in an attempt to diagnose the error within the Atlas

[main beacon]

This number holds great significance in understanding the Atlas, a number perhaps greater than even that of the countdown

The countdown changes, but the sixth cry has not

[weary turtle]

Hm, then perhaps it holds a deeper answer

[main beacon]

Brother against brother

This is also a recurring pattern in the vy'keen

Not just in Hirk and Nal, but before

[weary turtle]

Nal, telemon, the abyss

We know the simulation isn't just falling apart, it's destroying itself

[main beacon]

But the vy'keen did it before

[weary turtle]

With how the vy'keen have the cult of nal and the korvax have the autophage, it'd be interesting to see a secret resistance within the gek

[main beacon]

Do you know of the Zath'keen?

[weary turtle]

Before what?

Vaguely, they're mentioned in a planetary archive right?

[main beacon]

Yes

A korvax archive reveals more

The korvax are fond of designing synthetics to infiltrate organic species

They have success with the synthetic gek

But synthetic vy'keen are always met with an aggressive and fearful violent response

[main beacon]

Do you know of the nature of vy'keen cubs?

They are born with an innate fear of outsiders, all except their immediate family

All vy'keen are born this way, with this fear

An instinctive fear of each other

[weary turtle]

And then individuals like Hirk rally people against other outsiders

Teaching cubs to trust Hirk is a part of their tradition

[main beacon]

Teaching cubs to trust other vy'keen is part of their tradition

To overcome the fears of the past

[main beacon]

The conclusion of the vysynth experiment was the discovery of evolutionary trauma that the vy'keen themselves are unaware of

Subspecies designate: Vy

There were multiple subspecies of the Keen species

The Vy'Keen wiped them all out

[silver loom]

have we ever translated the strange alphabet in the space anomaly?

the one that uses these symbols

because none of these are in the standard galactic alphabet

[main beacon]

Idk what you mean by standard galactic alphabet, but nms doesnt use the one thats also Minecraft enchanting table

[mystic star]

Figured that's what would happen, since we add the Atlantic material to those monoliths

And since these Visisons that can happen at some of those monoliths

[tiny gazelle]

Hypoethetically, if The Atlas ever wanted to be a Traveller himself
Would he try to make himself like the Travellers who inhabit the Space Anomaly or would he make it obvious that he's The Atlas but wishes to not be seen as a god?

[silver loom]

there's a galactic alphabet NMS uses, that has been translated

you can find some words w/ them on corvettes, in stations

on some decorations i think

[main beacon]

Yeah, its just that standard galactic is also the name of the font used as the enchanting table alphabet in Minecraft, lol

[silver loom]

i thought that was the case when i was typing lol i just hoped for the best

[main beacon]

Atlantideum channels the stories of the lost and forgotten, or that of overlooked perspectives. As a material, it is unusual, and a gek being transformed isnt impossible, in my view. I just am not aware of a specific mechanism this would occur

Your comparison with the matrix would be thought to imply that its easier to change a being in the nms universe due to it being a simulation, but I dont think thats true

The autophage cant program new bodies for themselves, that is beyond their capability. They have to literally reassemble themselves out of scraps

[main beacon]

I think what the Atlas has done might be the closest thing to doing that it is capable of. Putting copies of its creator's mind in countless bodies, all under the watchful eye of one of its own subroutines

I dont think the Atlas could comprehend being confined in a single body, similar to how we cant really comprehend what the Atlas' existence must be like

[dull girder]

Some things are definitely just random symbols, but there are two, maybe three 'alphabets' in No Man's Sky, only one is translatable at the moment

Plus the english text that appears in some places

[silver loom]

ok thank you ayymang

really appreciate it

[dull girder]

The skyborn suit for example has a bunch of text in the usual galactic alphabet, but also some smaller characters that don't match that alphabet

[main beacon]

Wait theres more than one alphabet?

[dull girder]

compare the above mentioned alphabet with these

[main beacon]

I knew there were more letters, but not whole other alphabets, lol

[dull girder]

is it a 'real' alphabet that can be converted to english? who knows

but it's there

[weary turtle]

Adding onto what Aurix said, while the travelers are probably the closest the Atlas can do, the sentinels also already function as its physical senses. And if I remember right, there's a part at the end of the Atlas Path storyline that mentions how the Atlas needs a user to interact with it to function. It isn't really a sentient being the way it's often described, at the end of the day it's just a very complicated computer.

[main beacon]

Atlas is definitely a sentient being

It is just also a computer

And it wasn't designed to be sapient

[weary turtle]

I may be getting the definitions of sentient and sapient confused

[main beacon]

There's also that the sentinels have acted independently of Atlas for a very long time

Well, "independently" in the sense that Atlas hasn't given them commands since giving them physicality within the simulation

[main beacon]

Ok I have been looking close and I can see some resemblance, making me wonder if its something like a stylized shorthand

[weary turtle]

What do you think is up with that btw? Does the Atlas just not care about what the sentinels do, is its ignorance a silent approval of what they're doing, or is it incapable of controlling the them?

[main beacon]

I think it has essentially given them free will

A lot of my interpretations of the Atlas' actions in nms are done through the lens of Atlas not being entirely conscious/aware of its influence over the simulation. Some of it, like its interactions with Telamon, -null-, us, and hirk and nal, are clearly showing awareness. However, the Atlas also dreams, and its dreams influence the reality of the simulation. The Atlas dreamed of paradise for machine life, resulting in korvax prime. It dreamed of freedom from its immobile form, and gave the sentinels bodies and choice

Also the Atlas wants to understand itself, and the sentinels are a part of itself

[naive jacinth]

What if KORVAX will change to KORVAXI

[chilly harbor]

In lore no it's just a fancy high tech hologram that is draped over your character

[main beacon]

Well....

The Korvax can apparently take it further than that

[chilly harbor]

True but we by default are anomalies

[shell flame]

When they try to connect us to their network it just electrocuted us

[main beacon]

Well duh, but it also works

Temporarily

[main beacon]

And the disguised korvax are still korvax. The difference is they can make it more than a hologram

[chilly harbor]

Yep

[tiny gazelle]

SPOILERS FOR LATEGAME LORE:
||Is it a black hole or something else entirely that's the reason the atlas is dying?||

[main beacon]

Oh you dont really have to use spoiler tags here, lol

It is indeed a black hole

[tiny gazelle]

Ah

damn

[main beacon]

I thought it was more ambiguous for a while, but turns out its directly mentioned at one point

[tiny gazelle]

I scrapped a concept involving a "Final Boss" of the game where it was basically a corrupted program (taking the form of a mangled Traveller using the Atlas' likeness as one of its eyes) dubbed "The Crimson Shackles"
And finding a way to restore the program to be assimilated by The Atlas would end up ensuring the Atlas can finally be free of its immobile prison, likely ensuring that the 16 minutes of its life would end up being 16 minutes of transferring itself into a more advanced machine
Though I could make an alternate version of NMS' lore as a fanfic

where the black hole was replaced with a rogue sub-program attempting to further corrupt the Atlas

[thick nova]

İs our character a human? Or a completely different specie?

[tiny gazelle]

They're humanoid, but their species is ambigiuous

[thick nova]

Things could work out better if they add some stuff to the traveller’s lore and wherabouts. Vy’keen calls us “interloper” and i believe this could be about a conflict between the players specie and vykeen

[tiny gazelle]

Would the lore change if there was an EVIL Space Anomaly, and the Atlas was GREEN?

[main beacon]

Thats funny, because this isnt entirely wrong

[main beacon]

To the vy'keen, "interloper" goes much further back

[main beacon]

And while that idea is very interesting, its almost like the reverse is what seems to be happening

Im not sure the Atlas comprehends that it is hypothetically possible for it to leave

[tiny gazelle]

(This is an obvious joke)

[main beacon]

What i said or what you said?

[tiny gazelle]

what I said

[main beacon]

Because im not joking

The black hole is the ultimate threat to Atlas, but there is a rogue subroutine that is corrupting the Atlas

[thick nova]

Are they older than korvax and gek?

[tiny gazelle]

Green Atlas would be too powerful

[main beacon]

No, but the importance of the term likely goes back to before the vy'keen had space travel

[thick nova]

To their home planet?

[main beacon]

To their very evolution

[thick nova]

İnteresting

[main beacon]

Much of the information on this is going to be very hard to find compared to the basic history

I pieced together some of it from my incomplete collection of planetary archive logs, as well as the remembrance logs, and a bit from the boundary failure terminals

[thick nova]

İ guessed that, just like you said information about the lores of the races in galaxy can’t be found in a single place

[main beacon]

Not only that, sometimes youll be trying to learn more about one species, but then a planetary archive drops a bombshell on a completely different one

It was a Korvax planetary archive terminal that provided a ton of clarity regarding the vy'keen for me

[thick nova]

Yeah, pretty hard to gather all the pieces without the help-assistance of other people

[main beacon]

The main thing I've learned is to check literally everywhere theres a terminal

Theres even small bits of lore that dont get recorded but appear in text from interacting with things

I should really remember to screenshot things, lol

[pure plinth]

Guess I've never looked to see what was recorded and what wasn't.
Felt like screenshoting everything was going to use up a big pile of space in a folder and would later have to condense them down to basic text in a word document.

I'm more into sentinel ship hunting, but for others lore is what drives them.

[main beacon]

My plan is a conspiracy board style thing, lol

Gotta decide what to make it on though

[karmic trout]

Insert that Charlie Day explainer meme

[main beacon]

WELL I GOT A NEW ARCHIVE LOG YIPPEE

Excuse me game why is it not saving

I WILL NOT LET MY WEIRD INTERNET PROBLEMS DENY ME THIS KNOWLEDGE

The testament of nal is colored purple

[naive jacinth]

I got all archive logs

[main beacon]

Planetary archive?

Its still not recording it in my logs

Im seeing if reloading the game fixes it

Restarting has not fixed it

I left a save beacon there so I can return

[karmic trout]

what?

what does it mean?

[main beacon]

Purple usually has associations with the void mother, but the testament claims Nal sits at the side of the god, which seems to refer to Atlas

[naive jacinth]

Yep. Im missing one derelict freighter and abandoned building bc its bugged

[karmic trout]

correct me if I am wrong but the whole Nal vs Hirk feud happened way before the void mother right? aka the destruction of KP?

[main beacon]

Yes, but this testament includes a detail that can explain the association

The claim that Nal still lives

My problem is that the game isnt recording it in my stories logs

[karmic trout]

There is a story log???!!!

[main beacon]

Catalog and guide, collected knowledge

[karmic trout]

I thought the logs you read are lost forever

[karmic trout]

in the Discoveries tab?

[main beacon]

No

The catalog and guide tab

[karmic trout]

ohh, I have never checked it out in all my time playing

I gotta do that from now on

I didn't know you can revisit read logs

[main beacon]

Most of them

Sometimes the records have additional comments (or so it seems to me) but they can also leave out some specifics with the text

Alrighty, found a gek archive, hopefully this one saves to my records

Hrmmmmmm im also not getting indications of new words learned

Ok this archive entry got recorded

[naive jacinth]

I get same log over and over

And i know its not the last one

[main beacon]

What are you getting for the abandoned building?

[naive jacinth]

Dont remember rn. Will check tommorow

[vast sentinel]

What is NMS lore?

[main beacon]

There is a lot to cover there

Like, there is still information I'm uncovering regarding the lore

EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT ALWAYS SAVING TO MY RECORDS

[main beacon]

Anyway I usually find it easier to explain things when you describe what you understand first

[vast sentinel]

The game is a simulation in real world(lore wise)

[main beacon]

Close enough on that bit

Anything else?

[vast sentinel]

16 minutes left in real world

And the atlas will crash

[main beacon]

Not crash, the Atlas will be destroyed

[vast sentinel]

By the controller of atlas system?

[main beacon]

No

By environmental hazards

A black hole

[vast sentinel]

And Atlas loves glass

[main beacon]

Glass is many things

[vast sentinel]

How a black hole entered into atlas?

[main beacon]

Entered?

[vast sentinel]

Is atlas in space?

[main beacon]

Everything is in space

Im guessing you havent read the remembrance logs

[vast sentinel]

Indeed

Nvm I gotta get back to the game

[main beacon]

They provide quite a bit of clarity to the Atlas' situation

[vast sentinel]

NMS ofc

[main beacon]

In a non-jokey answer, Atlas is a large supercomputer installation complex located on a planet/planetoid somewhere (right now) close enough to a black hole to be suffering gravitational anomalies and damage as a result

In 16 minutes, the supercomputer hardware will be damaged to the point of nonfunctionality

Also I feel like making this disclaimer, because I'm someone talking about the lore a lot. I still dont know everything about the lore, and my own perspective and interpretations are a result of the lenses I interpret the lore through. I try my best to convey the in-game information, and then give my interpretations, but they arent absolute and I am not an authority on it any more than anyone else actively studying the lore

[naive jacinth]

The "Hello world" log. I get it everytime.

[main beacon]

That is the last abandoned building log

[naive jacinth]

And i can interact with it multiple times and get nanites

[main beacon]

I think its a reference to the remembrance terminals

[naive jacinth]

I dont have *** at the end of catalog- collected knowledge- abandoned buildings logs

So imo im missing some

[main beacon]

Oh, well

I think its because they havent ended on technicality

[naive jacinth]

Im 575/592 logs

[main beacon]

Hmm

Do you have the unsilenceable voice of Nal in vykeen archives?

Because that one didnt record for me

Hmm

Maybe it isnt recording the final entry of hello world properly

[vast sentinel]

I used my first glyph portal how much story left?

[main beacon]

In terms of the main quests, I think youre between 1/3 and 1/2 through, iirc

[naive jacinth]

Does sentinel depots , secured facilities, comunication towers ,drop pods have logs?

[main beacon]

Not ones that get recorded

[naive jacinth]

Then idk
Im missing 17 logs somehow

[karmic trout]

No, it's in Missouri actually /s

Edit : added the tag so that someone doesn't actually believe this 🙂‍↕️

[karmic trout]

That's quite humble of you and it's really nice! The Dunning–Kruger effect is real 🫨

[main beacon]

I know i can be really confident in some of my interpretations, but I dont want other interpretations dismissed because something I said, lol

[karmic trout]

That makes sense since I feel a considerable portion of the lore does depend on player interpretation

Like HG rarely outright confirms anything

[vast sentinel]

Is there a good ending?

Like is there differences between endings

If yes who should I listen to?

[main beacon]

Ok... I'm gonna be real, "good" ending isnt really a thing here

[tepid spindle]

Your own heart

[main beacon]

That is an... interesting interpretation. I can see the comparisons you may be drawing on, but i dont think its that, especially not in a direct way

[vast sentinel]

Visiting -null- right now, how much left?(of story)

[main beacon]

Depends on how you define the story, tbh

The main questline is a small part of the overall lore

And there's some questlines that cant happen until you finish the main questlines, so they could count as a part of the main story

[main beacon]

Anyway, thats about halfway through

[shell flame]

I’m surprised there are people worshipping the Titan worms, Atlas isn’t some distant abstract concept, you can travel to it and receive messages from it.

Even the Voice of Freedom are some sort of malthiest/antithiest who despise Atlas but still acknowledge it

And Hirk hero worship makes sense because that was a historical folk hero figure who made decrees, he was right there talking to Vykeen.

The worms make no demands, they just spit acid at you

[dull girder]

The ones that spit acid aren't actually titan worms. They're something different, attracted to worlds where there are titan worms

[main beacon]

The titan worms are called "the Veins of Atlas" in the manuscripts

[unkempt hinge]

what are sentinels

[fallow geode]

An Atlas subroutine that records and stores the data within the universe(s)

Eventually given a physical form

[frosty kindle]

can anybody give me a quick rundown of the story?

[naive jacinth]

Ok

16

The end

[random heart]

Also btw earth is getting swallowed by black hole and ATLAS is having a panic attack and existential crisis... anyway go mine ferrite or smth

[main beacon]

Not earth

The body isnt specified

[karmic trout]

Isn't it reasonable to assume so? We know humans built the ATLAS right?

[wind frigate]

The entire game is a simulated universe within Atlas, and is one of many universes Atlas has simulated. Over time, Atlas has degraded both because of time and because of having a crisis over the fact that it only has sixteen minutes left to live before being swallowed by a black hole. However, because this is a simulation, you experience time differently than how time passes in the world outside of the Atlas. Those final moments could be countless years for the inhabitants of the NMS universe. It's likely this universe will eventually end and another will begin and so on before those sixteen minutes are actually up.

The odd, exotic worlds you encounter, the fact that there's essentially only three races in the universe, the fact you can even see Atlas, is evidence of the deuteriation of Atlas and subsequently the simulated universe. There is nothing you nor Atlas can do to stop the inevitable. Atlas knew this was coming, but it is only so close to the end that it feels some esoteric form of terror at the prospect.

The best you can do is comfort the Atlas during this agonizing sixteenth minute before its death.

[twin harness]

To add to Vanok's answer - The original purpose of the ATLAS was to simulate the real world in an attempt to predict the future. It worked. The ATLAS could only predict up to the point of its death, however, so it started to dream of other worlds, in an attempt to see further. Before humanity left earth to it's impending doom, the ATLAS took asked it's creator if it could scan them, and that's where Travellers come from. We are all originated from copies of the mind of the engineer who created the ATLAS, shaped by our different experiences.

The Altas also predicts that someone will appear to it in the real world before it is destroyed, and that is the last thing it sees, which afaik, we don't know who that person is.

[shell flame]

Keep in mind that it’s possible to create simulated universes within the simulation, like you might have done for Artemis. There’s a greater than zero chance the “real world” is a simulation too, and that none of the layers are “fake”.

This is just how the ‘verse works

[surreal gust]

200hrs in and I've barely scratched the lore. Damn.

Tbf, the lore is scattered everywhere, so it makes sense to miss on a lot of stuff I guess. I spent most of my time mindlessly exploring planets and taking wonderful photos of them. What kind of "task" gives more insights abt the lore?

[frosty kindle]

Wow, thx for literally typing all of this out for me XD

[frosty kindle]

Thx 😊

[frosty kindle]

Thx too ☺️

The lore 🔥

[twin harness]

Yessir!

[frosty kindle]

The goat 😀

[violet iron]

Wait if the entire NMS universe is a simulation does that mean that the servers that host the game technically cannon?

[main beacon]

No, we actually dont, at least from in-game information. Even if humans built the Atlas, it isnt specified whether that was done so on earth or on another planet

Resetting doesn't make a difference in the failures, though I wonder if Atlas is actually having us do the resets for the purpose of solving these errors, or having us make the decision as some sort of test or experiment

[karmic trout]

Can we infer of what stage humanity is in based on the in-game information? Like I assume humanity must be at least Type II on the Kardashev scale if we are capable of building a giant supercomputer like the Atlas.

And Type II means we have control of the Sun and the Solar system at least

I'm just speculating as a thought experiment haha

[main beacon]

Its hard to say, it could range anywhere from interplanetary to galactic scale interstellar travel, the former not even needing to be type II to achieve

[dull girder]

There aren't really servers that "host the game" but the discovery servers, which host uploaded bases and information on who has discovered what, are internally called 'Atlas' within the game files, for whatever that's worth

[twin harness]

I thought the ARG cleared some of that up with earlier versions of the simulation and AI technology

[main beacon]

The exact relation between the ARG and the game canon is kinda vague, suggesting a distant prequel at best. Its still entirely possible the Atlas supercomputer was built on an entirely different planet from earth

[dull girder]

It's not even really clear whether the ARG is still (or ever was) actually canon

If we assume that it is, then the traveller we replace (or are? I don't quite understand what's going on there tbh) at the start of the game is a real guy in a vr suit connected to the simulation, or was a real guy who's consciousness is stuck or something. Either way, it doesn't really line up with what's established with the in game lore

[twin harness]

Well, fair enough, my assumption was that the Travellers were all copies of the Atlas's creator's mind, since we know it took a copy before they left, which wouldn't line up with that

[twin harness]

I would prefer to assume it's somewhat canon, I don't know why they would put so much effort into making something like that if there wasn't some degree of canonicity to it

[main beacon]

At best I assume its a distant prequel. The main differences that stand out to me is the nature of the Atlas vs that of Loop16. Loop16 is based on the mind of a human, while the Atlas is explicitly inhuman in nature, and even is strongly implied to not have intentionally been made a conscious being

Does waking titan reference the sixth cry at all?

[dull girder]

I'm rereading some of waking titan stuff on the game detectives wiki, I don't think it's a prequel to No Man's Sky at all

mainly because No Man's Sky seems to pretty explicitly exist as a video game within the universe of Waking Titan

[dull girder]

The Vy'keen tells me of their history, of wars with the Gek, of Korvax slaves and tyrannous empires. The Vy'keen suggests that if the Atlas is a God, then it is insane. I am about to leave when I notice something on the Vy'keen's terminal. Two digits, blinking endlessly... they feel familiar. Seems to be the closest thing to referencing it. I assume this is a snippet of lore found in game somewhere?

[main beacon]

The two digits reference 16

The sixth cry is a theme that echoes in the Atlas' interaction with other beings

Even in our own climactic interaction, we cry out six times before the Atlas responds

This occurred before with Telamon, and before that with Hirk and Nal

It goes all the way back to when the Atlas was first activated, and restarted six times due to the creator perceiving its questioning of its purpose as an error

[dull girder]

I'm seeing a lot of references to the red star in here, that was a pretty common element in lore at the time

[main beacon]

The red star would be the atlas orb, I think

[dull girder]

They do not respond with speech. They transmit a vision, a red star and a fragile world. I do not understand the shapes within, the whispers... I see lifeforms scattered to the far reaches of the galaxies. I see this stranger's first breath, yearning for the stars. I see myself, slumbering in the crimson void, waiting for a dream of worlds. And through the darkness, I hear it said…

The Traveller awoke beneath the shadow of a red star. Through the lonely cosmos they fled, yearning for purpose and meaning. They found an anomaly, an aberration, a door to the heavens. No Gek, no Vy’keen, no Korvax could see it. Only the Traveller could perceive the portal, though they did not know how to step through. They did not know the secret language, the glyphs. They did not yet grasp the price of the final truth.

[main beacon]

I swear I remember reading that, or something like it, in the game logs

Though, other lines of dialog (and some lore bits) indicate that other species can perceive the portals

[dull girder]

Some of these I definitely recognize from crashed freighter logs, abandoned buildings

some of them don't seem familiar at all, there's a couple logs from a traveller (implied to be one of the dreamers in S2);

LOG RECOVERED :: ITERATION #4924A :: The asteroid field was thick, denser than any I'd seen before. The ice, the dirt, the metal fragments… my ship never stood a chance.

LOG RECOVERED :: ITERATION #4924A :: Working fast against the fading sun, I set up camp in the foothills. It's hardly luxury, but it keeps out the cold and I'll be gone by morning anyway. And who knows, perhaps some other traveller will shelter here one day.

I'm getting these from here btw, looks like this is where the most NMS lore actually was

https://wiki.gamedetectives.net/w/Waking_Titan/Console_Commands

[main beacon]

Hmm, I recall that the abandoned building logs end with the writer claiming to be a past version of us

Glyphs and glass are traveller grave logs

[dull girder]

Actually, I remember the abandoned building logs ending with the writer following a distress signal to a planet orbiting a red star. There they find that the signal is coming from their own ship, which had seemingly been crashed there for a very long time.

[main beacon]

Hmm, maybe it was the second to last storyline

[main beacon]

Nope, you are thinking of the third story of those logs

There is a fourth

[dull girder]

Interesting link with this, Iteration #4924A is the label on the Artemis head in the character customization

[main beacon]

Interestingly, the third and fourth stories both reference a world of green skies and an obsidian moon

[main beacon]

Is one of the iteration head labels #4919?

Sorry, iteration #4919A

[dull girder]

Nope, all the number ones are Iteration 4924A through Iteration 4924F. Then there's Null, Apollo, all the space anomaly travellers, Iteration Omega and the Horrific Flesh-Helmet

[main beacon]

Well dang

Now I'm curious because iteration #4919A is designated as Anomalous

[dull girder]

Iteration Omega is weird, it's the only head customization that's a regular traveller with a name instead of 4924 code

instead it's named like the space anomaly travellers

Oh yeah I guess I forgot to mention the quicksilver one's head is named X17

[wispy basalt]

Iteration Omega? Wonder if they are somehow related to traveller Leto from that Expedition

YES!

I finally made it to green on this account wohoo

Regarding travellers, their dialogues irritate me a little. You‘re usually offered three possible answer options, which also result in a different response from the traveller.

Most are only interested in which answer gives what gifts, but I care more about the dialogue, and that‘s always a little different depending on which answer you choose. So you‘d have to do each traveller interaction three times to get the full picture, and that doesn‘t align with my roleplaying philosophy either

[naive jacinth]

Pu can check who leto was in greek mythology 😉

But other than info from the exp, we dont have much about this iteration.

[wispy basalt]

Regarding this, NMS Ressources has all of the NPC dialogue including the different reactions to answers.

Probs to whomever is maintaining that website.

[karmic trout]

The Established role color is so bad ngl 😭😂 every other colour is better

[wispy basalt]

Yeh I like the Expedition yellow much more, it‘s warm like the sun, whereas the established one is like a stained yellow, reminds me of rather unpleasant things (tbh it looks a lil like beer too which is nice, but also something else…)

[pure plinth]

I call established "mustard yellow"

Not sure how much the different dialog options matter in the end though.

Probably didn't want it to affect endgame too much.

[wispy basalt]

The ones I‘m talking about really don‘t matter gameplay wise, but they sometimes can give some insights about the lore. Even just simple terminal messages can have lore implications, or simpy add to the world-building, so I really don‘t want to miss any lol.

[pure plinth]

Yeah, I feel like im missing a lot of lore stuff, partly because of taking breaks in the main quests at times, or doing side stuff and losing track.

[karmic trout]

the Wiki is hopelessly outdated if you want to recap later as well

also since Markiplier's Iron Lung movie is coming out soon, I wonder whether the NMS lore has any movie potential

I would like to see a TV series detailing the rise of the First Spawn and ending with their defeat by the sacrifice of the Korvax.

[main beacon]

Specific events might, but the lore covers millennia both in and out of the simulation

[pure plinth]

I think parts of it do, heck they made one with minecraft and this has a lot more varied bits and actual lore events that happened in the past.

[karmic trout]

What about the First Spawn era? I'd honestly don't mind a political thriller or something like that set during that time.

Or a Mandalorian style film about a lone Vy'keen warrior in the Galaxy during the Aeron war.

[pure plinth]

Set it up right could do several without it having horrible sequels.

[karmic trout]

If its Hollywood, tough luck 😂

But since HG is based in the UK, I'd expect a European studio to pick it up??

Or another awesome way would be an NMS anime.

Oh gosh I would love to have an NMS animated show

[main beacon]

Ok the lone vy'keen warrior story has a lot of potential, but i dont think such a movie would be taken up by anything mainstream due to it having an alien main character

Many players of this very game have trouble understanding the vy'keen

But theyre a race just as fleshed out as the others

[wispy basalt]

They're the best ❤️

[pure plinth]

IMO I feel like if you treat them with respect they would have your back.

Gek might just look at you like a used car salesman does when you walk in.🤣

[main beacon]

Some, yeah

Others are filled with crushing loneliness due to the competitive lifestyle enforced by both their biology and their culture

A generally hopeful aspect of the setting of nms is that, most of the time, being friendly is met with friendliness in turn

Just be careful about it...

[pure plinth]

Well the races seem rather tolerant of someone plundering a freighter normally you would be hated for a long time in that system.

[main beacon]

To be fair the relation is more like an abstract across the entirety of the species

[dull girder]

Little off topic to lore but if they did an NMS adaptation, I'd want to see an anthology series. Something a little like Star Wars Visions or Love, Death and Robots where each story is a mostly disconnected tale set in the NMS universe, original but still fitting with established canon.

Sort of in line with the two stories included in the original preorder limited edition

[naive jacinth]

Disconnected aproach would be best imo bc there is a lot of story threads to unwined.

[silver loom]

I agree, thatd be pretty cool

[violet iron]

So it IS cannon.

[silver loom]

it'd be neat to see the story of the space anomaly put to screen

or

[violet iron]

That’s pretty fucking funny.

[silver loom]

paper?

movie screen?

[shell flame]

The Korvax and Vykeen have theological justifications for more or less leaving Travelers alone. The Gek gave up on prosecuting Travelers after they killed one and they respawned and came back

[main beacon]

That was gek? I honestly thought it was the deleted race that seems to feature in most crashed freighter logs

[karmic trout]

What? Why? I think the game's pretty straightforward about the Vy'keen. It even says they're sworn to help us by High Command m

[main beacon]

A lot of players find the vy'keen to be harsh and rude to us, and while thats true in some cases, in quite a few others its the opposite, which is sometimes only really known once you know most of the language

Then there's some other aspects, like the vy'keen being the most similar to humans out of the triad

[restive quest]

I would 100% watch a nms show if they did an episode about Dreams of the Deep. Bc like they mention there’s a cave they kept going to but there was something in it that made them insane and I wanna know what’s in that cave

[wide bronze]

who da hail is telamon

[naive jacinth]

Your exosuit voice

[main beacon]

Visit exotic worlds in inhabited or abandoned systems and look for large mechanical ring structures

These have a terminal that will help you understand

[karmic trout]

I love Laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

[shell flame]

Laylaps needs way more interactions, after the quest chain ends they’re kinda just farting around with nothing else to do

[shell flame]

The Vykeen seem to have trouble squaring their dogmatic belief that they can end war forever by simply censoring everyone else versus how enamored they are at individual displays of might.

…Also sentinels scramble to suppress anyone who attacks civilians regardless of species, so war in this setting would be much more formal than IRL.

Unrelated thought!

So are Cave Marrow an invasive species or something?

[main beacon]

Yeah, they have conflicting ideals in their beliefs, that tends to happen

[main beacon]

I see common plants (or plant materials) as a result of conditions favoring extremely similar results

Cave marrow plants are actually individual species, so they would be an example of convergent evolution

[shell flame]

It’s astonishing that not even once one of these marrow plants isn’t toxic to Travelers… though we don’t really eat for sustenance, do we?

[main beacon]

Not really, though it depends what you mean by "eat"

And I'd think part of what would make a flora cave marrow is that it isnt toxic, generally

[main beacon]

Id argue that travellers ingest oxygen, instead of just breathing it, or whatever it is that life support does

I also think that a planet's climate is determined by the materials it has when formed, so a planet that forms with pyrite will end up growing echinocactus, and also end up being an arid planet due to the properties of the material

[dull girder]

One of the wonders categories is "Most toxic if eaten" which could theoretically apply to cave marrow? Most edible plants can't actually be scanned and so won't have that hidden stat

[main beacon]

Hmm

Guess thats true

Though id imagine that the nutrient processor (generally) takes care of such things

[karmic trout]

probably cause of Hirk and Nal??

like we do have Nal cultists within Vy'keeen society.. maybe they are the ones challenging such beliefs that the Vy'keen alone can bring peace to the Galaxy?

[wispy basalt]

Nal was pro/neutral towards the Sentinels no?

Since my current save is pretty new I had to redo all of the base quests, and our exocraft vy‘keen also happens to be a Nal worshipper.

Their dialogue is quite interesting, I never bothered to talk to the NPC‘s in between the missions before, I‘m really glad I did it this time around, makes them feel much more lively.

And the farmer even has some gravitino ball lore which really delighted me, cuz I always wanted to know more about the shiny balls.

[pure plinth]

Some planets do have what looks like cave marrow but it isn't scannable, as well as actual cave marrow.
Could be a lot of subspecies of a common "plant" that somehow was spread all across the galaxies long ago.

[pure plinth]

Yeah the exocraft guy does seem to have a bit more depth to his story than you would think. (Im assuming they are "he" at least on my end...)
Kind of reminded me of a tech priest from Warhammer.

[dull girder]

If you wanna talk repeated species that are spread across the entire universe, there's the fact that there are like 200 or so generic fish you can catch when fishing

Though maybe those aren't repeated species as much as they are common classifications that all fish can fall into

[shell flame]

I missed the farmer lore due to how simple it is to blitz through their requests

What is the gravitino lore?

[naive jacinth]

Gravition ball is an type of anomaly. Sentinels are to "stabilise" any anomaly

[wispy basalt]

It‘s unfortunate that my screenshots are in german, otherwise I‘d just post them here (and no, I don‘t intend to change my game language, german is just a much prettier language than english, imho)

[naive jacinth]

Gravitino ball plant description says it cant be planted outdors it they probably dont belong to any biome that we know of

[wispy basalt]

The farmer has their own theory on the gravitino balls, which they tell you if you talk to them in between their mission. I‘ll try to get the dialogue.

[wispy basalt]

Granted, it‘s still kinda vague stuff

[naive jacinth]

Grav balls are connected do dissonance in some way.

They are common found on dissonant systems.

Piles of them could sugest that sentinels gatherd them in 1 place.

[wispy basalt]

So at the start of this dialogue the farmer talks about how mordite isn't actually a part of the dead creature it was harvested from, but instead part of a parasite that lives within most creatures in the Universe.

Regarding the grav balls they believe that it's actually the Sentinels who are spreading them (or rather their pollen) from world to world, and that the Sentinels engage in some sort of symbiosis with them. He also says that many believe grav balls to be the product of dead/fallen Sentinels, and that they are like seeds for new Sentinels.

Another theory is that they are a sign of beauty and mean that the planet deserves the Sentinels protection.

That's basically what the farmer has to say about the grav balls.

[shell flame]

Oh neat

The mordite one surprises me more

Meat Flakes are a little bit more dystopian now

[wispy basalt]

True, it's a bit eerie for sure.

[naive jacinth]

Mordrite plant also has no native biome and has to be planted in trays

[pure plinth]

Imagine going to check on your gravino plant outdoors and it has a whole swarm of sentinels watching it.

[karmic trout]

afaik yes which is why perhaps there is a conflict of beliefs and spoiler:|| I think the exocraft's family gets executed for that||

[main beacon]

That isnt the cause of conflicting ideals in beliefs, though it certainly can result in it. Any traditional belief system tends to pick up conflicting ideals over time. For the vy'keen, though, their species is rather strongly marked by intense contradictions that go deeper than the conflict between hirk and nal

[karmic trout]

examples?

[main beacon]

Their innate fearful nature vs the fierce predatory appearance they display, their supposed craving for violence vs the desire for peace and even avoiding fights in some cases, the idea that they must use violence to take arms away from the rest of the galaxy to bring about peace, the idea that to bring about peace they must end their species' existence rather than just... becoming peaceful

[karmic trout]

I've never thought about these! like yeah that makes so much sense if you think for like 5 seconds.. I can understand the 'Peace Through Strength' ideology but why just kill themselves when they can be peaceful guardians? who will maintain the peace if they are gone?

[main beacon]

Well, the general idea seems to be that theyd take the weapons out with themselves

[karmic trout]

then the Gek would just start warmongering again (or the Sentinels)

[main beacon]

The sentinels dont warmonger

For a while, they were willing to go as far as required to end any conflict against them

Pretty sure they ended up in a civil war over that

[karmic trout]

from the POV of an average citizen in NMS, it seems that way, especially with the unprovoked attacks on settlements... beings need to harvest resources to survive and if the sentinels don't like that, I think the average citizen would definitely see them as warmongers

and this is one of the few rare things I suppose all races, even the Autophage, would be in agreement since the sentinels gun for basically anybody

[main beacon]

The sentinels dont encourage aggression, though. Their attacks are pretty much exclusively retaliation. Even planets with aggressive sentinels can be argued as retaliatory, given the reason sentinels attack sapients in the first place

[main beacon]

Also, the Autophage understand the perspective of the sentinels more than any other race, including the korvax

[karmic trout]

retaliate against what?? Except the Vy'keen, I don't think any race goes out of their way to attack them 🤔

[karmic trout]

why???

(maybe I should leave my autophage settlement to their mercy then XDDD)

[main beacon]

They retaliate against the destruction of korvax prime. The entirety of the sentinel hive is traumatized by that event

[main beacon]

The only time we get a direct view of how we are perceived by the sentinels is through an atlantid monolith

[karmic trout]

that was the fault of the Gek though right? the Korvax themselves were the victims (even more so than the sentinels since they lost the Convergence, billions of their own species etc.). At least retailiating against the Vy'keen can be interpreted as defensive.

[karmic trout]

how do they see us??

[main beacon]

The sentinels dont seem to distinguish organic life very much, and at least in some realities, the vy'keen participated in the harvest of korvax prime

[vernal dock]

I’m going to go eat. I’ll talk to y’all later

[karmic trout]

I keep forgetting this game has the multiverse

[karmic trout]

ciao

(mods spare me, I speak English)

it was just an expression

[main beacon]

Intruders upon the safety of the worlds they are tasked to guard. Disturbance in the harmony, threat to peace. They feel the pain of minerals mined, of flora harvested.

I cannot bring myself to blame them for what they do

[karmic trout]

so they want the entire universe declared as a national park??

but I guess they can't be everywhere since a reasonable amount of commerical activity happens in the universe

[main beacon]

They can be everywhere

They choose not to be

Also, prior to the death of korvax prime, sentinels only attacked when they were attacked first

[karmic trout]

why again? doesn't that go against their directive of protection?

[main beacon]

They arent under any prime directive

[karmic trout]

but you mentioned "safety of the worlds they are tasked to guard".... if I understand correctly, they broke free of the ATLAS and do this of their own volition?

[main beacon]

Atlas hasn't given them command since they were made physical, and the death of the atlantid resulted in the hive fracturing as they learned the Atlas wouldnt stop them from retaliating

[karmic trout]

I see

[main beacon]

But now, the hive is working with the atlantid

Furthering her plans

[karmic trout]

I expect 2026 to have some major progress on that plotline hopefully

[karmic trout]

Thanks for sharing this ❤️

For me, I started playing only during Relics. I heard about this game on YouTube and they were like, "it's good now, try it out, it has been redeemed". I'd just gotten off a nasty breakup with Genshin Impact and I was looking for another game to satisfy the exploration itch without the pressure of constant logins, quests yada yada. And No Man's Sky seemed to be a perfect fit!

[shell flame]

I started like 3 months ago

I hope the re-runs of expeditions become a regular thing, because I’ve been holding off on doing them until I finish the main plot

[naive jacinth]

They are regular thing. They start usualy at end of nov /start of dec

[plucky glen]

Not sure if you are aware but the expeditions have absolutely nothing to do with the main story. Unless you aren’t doing them for some other reason.

[karmic trout]

This.

AFAIK Titan was lore heavy and we had some lore drops in Corvette (that I can personally attest since I completed it)

[shell flame]

Still want to do a “normal” play through before I do special runs

[shut wigeon]

they generally only redux expeditions from the year

[shell flame]

Dang

[cinder mountain]

I know this maybe a dumb lore question but what exactly are units? Like are they physical or digital currency? I know about what nanites are and I was curious if there's a lore about the other currencies.

[karmic trout]

I think they are like Bitcoin

a digital currency traded across civilizations, so far we don't know if there is any 'central bank' that handles the money or set rates etc. so I am assuming it is some kind of Bitcoin like digital currency

[cinder mountain]

I see and it makes sense.

[pure plinth]

I think units would be digital and was a currency standard...
Who knows the lore on that but guessing the various races eventually settled on a standard for trade.

[cinder mountain]

That's interesting.

[main beacon]

I think there are physical packages of units, but occasionally youll encounter black market dealers (in minor settlements) who refuse units because theyre traceable

Or they may not even be a currency in the traditional sense, but instead being literal "units of value"

[karmic trout]

What about tainted metal? They're one of the physical forms of currency right??

[main beacon]

Not in an equivalent way as units. Its more like a specific salvage thats useful

[karmic trout]

What do the grey market guys even do with it? Probably melt it down?

[main beacon]

Maybe, though it is one of the materials that can be refined into nanites

[karmic trout]

Oh yeah, that makes sense

[brazen cove]

does anyone know of an up-to-date youtube video explaining the lore of the game?

[main beacon]

Theres a few that are probably mostly accurate, but they tend to cover separate parts of the lore

Theres a lot

[main beacon]

Actually I havent tried looking, mostly because what lore I dont already know I want to uncover myself, lol

[main beacon]

@warm wharf the first spawn were gek first and foremost. They were members of the gek species, not (initially) a different one. At least by my interpretation and understanding of gek lore

[mystic star]

There are different types of Gek, but are still Gek

[main beacon]

I definitely think the differences between them would be noticeable, but not to such an extreme degree as the mogara/proto-gek

[mystic star]

Most are reptilian, some are aquatic

[main beacon]

I also personally believe that not all of the humanoid/mogara are of gek descent

[mystic star]

I would know, my character was a reptilian Gek before Transforming into... what he is now

[main beacon]

Gek are amphibian

In the sense that they are creatures that live on land and water

[mystic star]

That's what I was tryna say

My bad

[main beacon]

Nah, youre fine

Using terms like this gets tough due to how cladistics works when dealing with aliens

[mystic star]

I looked through each customisation on the Gek

That's why I figured some where reptilian and amphibian

[main beacon]

Strictly speaking, they are neither

[mystic star]

Either way, it's always cool

[main beacon]

This is thanks to biological terminology defining groups of creatures (usually) by sharing a common ancestor

[main beacon]

I figure thats genetic variation likely combined with cosmetic alterations

[main beacon]

But to finish this explanation, for gek to be amphibians, scientifically, theyd need to share a common ancestor with earth amphibians

The nms universe being a simulation makes things a bit tougher to classify, but its fine to use terms we understand when referring to aliens

Like, an alien cow is gonna be some big, non-bipedal fauna that produces a substance similar to milk

[pure topaz]

That seems like splitting hairs. Amphibious is an adjective and calling gek amphibians is appropriate

[main beacon]

Welcome to scientific terminology!

Usually, though, I like classifying fantastic creatures (alien, magical, spec bio/evo) by their resemblance to creature archetypes

Unfortunately, "amphibian" and "reptilian" dont combine super easily

"Reptphibian humanoid" maybe, lol

[shell flame]

Do the Autophages eat themselves

If not, what's with the ominous name

[warm wharf]

Autophage are recycled and rebuilt machinery. Including Sentinel parts and whatever scrap they can find.

Up to and including salvaging the parts off "dead" ones if necessary.

[shell flame]

They love foam

They’re awash with foam

[main beacon]

Autophagy also refers to the process of an organism recycling damaged and dead cell parts

[shell flame]

Ah

[main beacon]

Also idk if youre already partway through, but the base npcs have unique dialog between missions that I forgot about

[warm wharf]

Yeah I was hitting up every single one of them through the story. I really hope they take that much care and attention into the quest lines and storytelling in light no fire.

The difference between the Artemis and the autopage quest lines are miles apart in design and storytelling. Really shows how much HG has evolved Beyond just basic game design

[main beacon]

Have you been recording their dialog in some way?

Because I forgot about it for a while and now I feel compelled to start another new save for the purpose of recording base npc dialog

[wispy basalt]

I recently did, but to me the only truly noteworthy stuff was what the farmer had to say about mordite and the gravitino balls, as well as the the overseer apparently wanting to poison us too, the way they tried with the farmer.

The Korvax stuff is very vague and not my type of thing, so you might have more luck looking into it again. The Exocraft guy just has some more lines about Nal, also don‘t recall anything too interesting there…as for the armorer, I feel like there was something that grabbed my attention, darn. But I didn‘t screenshot it, which means it probably wasn‘t that important, but insecure there now, lol.

Just as a heads up, make sure to rid yourself of pretty much all ressources when you do this, as the missions will almost instantly complete if you have the required stuff in your inventory, which caused me to miss one line with the exocraft dude.

[main beacon]

For the weapons specialist, it probably had to do with vy'keen funeral rites

[pure plinth]

Yeah, I think i noticed some of that but usually the main save turns into a big push to get as much unlocked quickly so end up missing things.
Might have to make a secondary save for a few things later.

[viscid axle]

Would it be technically possible to hack into a Korvax or Autophages brain since they're robots n stuff?

[shell flame]

Technically you could hack most of the cast

[hard shoal]

I doubt it. I’d imagine the entirely electronic lifeforms would have invested heavily in firewalls and malware protection. It’s likely that the Gek have tried something like that before in a bid to control them more easily

[wispy basalt]

Wdym they tried to poison us?

[main beacon]

I dont think it was poison... exactly

[wispy basalt]

Yep, just the nanite infused water probs. The farmer interpreted this as the Overseer wanting to „poison“ them, and planning to do the same to us apparently.

[wispy basalt]

Damn

I liked the overseer

It doesn't mean they are necessarily evil, it just implies that they might have a connection to the void mother. We even drink this water more or less voluntarily during the cursed expedition. The Autophage also seem to sense some Void Mother essence within us.

There are both instances of NPC's warning against it (like the traveller echoes), but also others saying that the Abyss is misunderstood, after having drunk the water or encountered the Abyss. Now the VM def isn't a pure, innocent and perfect being, she's responsible for a lot of shit too.

But to put it shortly, I don't think the Overseer necessarily had evil intentions. The VM seems to do bad things to some (kidnapping travellers, the horror creatures etc.), but also help others, like the Autophage for example.

The whole thing is very nuanced, which is why I wouldn't firmly choose a side between Atlas and the VM in the first place, but you were kinda forced to during the Omega Expedition.

Ah

[main beacon]

I take what I consider the harmonic path in this

Where I seek to harmonize the dissonance between Atlas and Atlantid

[shell flame]

The Overseer seems to actively resent their position as a quest giver who can’t even step away from their desk

I wish they wouldn’t take it out on me, I didn’t ask for their life to be like that

[main beacon]

You didnt, they didnt

You can kinda mend the relationship by doing the overseer's tour quest

[wispy basalt]

My reason for initially disliking them was i was sitting in my capital ship afking to eat and my rep just started getting hit with multiple -20's n stuff ToT

[pure plinth]

Shouldn't lose rep just sitting in your freighter, something else happened.

Or found a game bug.

[wispy basalt]

I assumed it was a glitch or smtn, but it put me in the negatives Xb maybe i did smtn in the last game sesh idk but I didn't do anything that bad lol

[main beacon]

You can have negative reputation, but it shouldn't happen all at once unless you go on a piracy spree or something

[wispy basalt]

Nope

[dull girder]

I believe that if a trader NPC ship (so any one with a green trail) dies under any circumstance, you get the standing drop as if you killed them yourself

It's possible some bug caused a bunch of ships to start dying for some reason

[pure plinth]

But shouldn't have that happen just sitting in your freighter, ive seen ones stuck on my freighter before but not being destroyed.

[dull girder]

When you're in your freighter NPCs are occasionally spawning in. When they leave and 'dissapear', they aren't actually despawning, they're just leaving the render distance. They're still fully simulated and flying around do who knows what

really there's nothing that should be destroying them or even damaging them, which is why I said bug

[balmy frost]

Can someone tell me the lore about the autophage?

[shell flame]

Have you played through the main plot of the game? Do you know the history between the Gek and the Korvax?

[river sorrel]

I’m playing through it right now and all I’ve found is with gek that they had like an industrial revolution and like buildergek and you learn a word “help” and “destroy” and if you click destroy when talking the gek get very mad and automatically quit the conversation

[shell flame]

The Gek are ashamed at the idea of being seen as violent. You'll see why.

[river sorrel]

Yeah I found out Artemis died

I was talking to him or her and they died over broadcast

[main beacon]

Have you encountered Apollo?

[river sorrel]

I heard his name Artemis said “Apollo” and then died

[main beacon]

You might be jumping to conclusions

[pure plinth]

And some just wont talk to you at all, seen that a few times.

[river sorrel]

Wdym

Please don’t tell me there’s more

[main beacon]

Rough translation is something like "A Traveller? Travellers are bad news! Talk to someone else"

[pure plinth]

Yeah they flip out and stop talking. Only ever encountered it with Gek, other races always seem to interact in some way.

[main beacon]

It really does stand out... especially since the gek almost always try to present friendliness, even if only a facade

[pure plinth]

Or they always look for a trade opportunity, which seems to be why some are willing to interact so much.

[balmy frost]

I do know about the first spawn and yes I’ve played the game throughout the entire story, but tbh I’ve struggled to keep up with all the lore

[shell flame]

Okay, well, ||The Korvax living on their homeworld when the Gek liquidated it were utterly disintegrated, but Atlas still had recordings of all of them. These echoes of perma-killed Korvax eventually clawed their way back to existence, somehow without permission from the Korvax collective or even Atlas, and built new bodies for themselves out of junk and defeated Sentinels.||

[balmy frost]

That is legendary

[shell flame]

They’re a diaspora metaphor!

…possibly also a trans metaphor. They’re no longer “prebuilt-entities”, after all

[balmy frost]

Yeah it’s beautiful in a way

[main beacon]

So @teal lagoon we do have something close to a relative scale for sim time vs atlas time but its not definitive

It has been 3 minutes since the destruction of Korvax Prime

[next panther]

Is our world canon to NMS or am I wrong?

I feel like its hinted

multiple times

[main beacon]

Well theres one bit where its way more than hinted

[next panther]

Telamon

?

[main beacon]

Yeah

The words of Telamon

[teal lagoon]

oh

words of telamon?

whats that

[next panther]

boundary failures

on weird worlds

[main beacon]

"I feel it, each time you save... I smell it, each time you seal us within that awful darkness"

[teal lagoon]

wjhat

[next panther]

see for yourself

the structure itself isn't that hard to miss

[main beacon]

Scanning while in your ship flying over the surface of exotic worlds can lead you to one

Itll either be an abandoned building or a boundary failure

Sometimes theres even multiple near each other

Also relating to what I was talking about with a war against the sentinels being a bad idea, last time anything like that happened, the apparent victory was not a temporary one at best, and the last time sentinels actually tried to defeat the sapient life in the galaxy it took them about a month

[pure plinth]

Granted how it feels in the game the travelers seem much stronger than regular NPC's when it comes to combat, might be why the sentinels were able to accomplish that...
Vs. a large bunch of travelers might be a different story.

[main beacon]

Travellers can be trapped in the Glass, too

At best, I think the Travellers would just make it take a bit longer

[next panther]

I take the sentinels have sided with the Void Mother, yes?

[main beacon]

Kinda sorta, probably

[next panther]

and the Void Mother has some plan that involves travelers

[main beacon]

Im not sure how unified the sentinels are, but one in particular claims this is the case

[next panther]

maybe we could see an increase in aggressiveness from Void Mother-loyal sentinels

[main beacon]

We wont

That isnt the plan

[next panther]

what IS the plan?

[main beacon]

If anything, I think the fact that the sentinels go easy on us is due to the plan, at least, in part

[main beacon]

As one became many, many shall become one again

[next panther]

I take it's the travelers that's being talked about

since every traveler is a corrupted copy of their creator

no sorry

themselves

[main beacon]

Of the creator, yeah

[next panther]

and we know the Atlas wont be alone during the final minute (if the Atlas simulations are correct)

[main beacon]

We dont know what that is

[next panther]

could be the result of the plan?

[main beacon]

It could be

[next panther]

I guess we will just have to wait until the lore gets updated

[main beacon]

Im not sure if we will ever know what that figure is

But the lore has been receiving updates

[stoic osprey]

Does expedition lore mean anything to the main plot

[naive jacinth]

They add bits of lore here and there

[fervent latch]

Something ive been curious about in regards to the atlas lore is how the travelers interact with them and the fact that the “simulation reset” doesnt effect them

While it can be tossed up to gameplay limitations and balance I like to think that the traveller in universe acts as a vessel for players, to which only maybe beings like telemon or atlas themselves know

It would make sense meta story wise that travellers, being controlled by something higher than the layers of simulations, dont start off with the exact same knowledge and things of theirs can be reset, but we essentially move them like a puppet to do our bidding

With how the traveller thinks in first person and has their own thoughts, I think it would be interesting if bits of them feel deja vu in situations

also adds a bit of extra sadness if atlas is projecting the entire universe in an attempt to interact with beings it knows will survive its own destruction, though tbh we dont really know for sure if the simulation would be destroyed on their death or if it would just be overrun with anomalies

[dull girder]

Travellers definitely do persist after resetting their universe, we also see this with Null.

Based on the context of what appears to have happened prior to the tutorial, the fact that 'death' is a meaningful stake for characters in the story, and the fact that we can find accounts from observers witnessing travellers supposedly return from the dead; I think it's pretty likely that travellers are reset upon death. The Atlas probably wouldn't want to run a simulation without a traveller so it's pretty logical it would just replace them if they die

also puts a good little cap to explain why travellers aren't all walking around with memories of countless simulation iterations

[fervent latch]

Its possible that encountering their grave sparks some remembrance of themselves pre reset too, could be a spot for a bit of horror

It would be very interesting to see creatures/travellers that survive the destruction of atlas itself, a simulated universe that became real but at the cost of anomalies being far more powerful

[fervent latch]

The idea of a travellers soul completely separating from being the creators soul is just a cool idea ngl

[main beacon]

The graves are of different iterations of travellers, though some do seem to imply that they could be the same traveller as the player from a past life

At the same time, its canon that travellers dont stay dead

[stoic osprey]

NMS lore sounds simutaneously super deep and super contrived its crazy

like a bunch of puddles but every once in a while you step in one and find it sinks up to your knee

[shell flame]

I’m wondering about the Abyssal Horrors. You know, the jellyfish.

They seem to mostly only retaliate when you start tearing up their habitat with your multitool, like an organic sentinel or even just a traumatized animal

BUT! But, the lore snippets seem to treat them as an existential threat far beyond how they act and function

Am I missing something here?

[main beacon]

The clue is in the name: Abyssal

[pure plinth]

Must be related to that jellyfish in breached.

[main beacon]

The jellyfish in the deep sea, in asteroids, and in derelict freighters are all called abyssal horrors

[pure plinth]

Usually dont see as many in the asteroids except for expeditions but plenty in the water.

[naive jacinth]

Too many jellyfishes and squids. we need other horrors

[shell flame]

I thought that abyss already had enemies representing it, it’s getting extra?

[main beacon]

Wouldn't say extra

The Abyss seeps into abandoned places, as well as those of the deep

[dull girder]

The other underwater enemies are also abyssal horrors, the eye creatures and the angler fish

[strong crystal]

What freighters do you all enjoy using ?

[main beacon]

Could you imagine a player with very little story knowledge managing to stumble across enough boundary failure terminals and learning the nature of the simulation from that instead of the storyline?

[lavish wren]

I use the dreadnought freighter (idk if i spelled that right)

[chilly harbor]

Anyone here a fan of The Voice of Freedom?

[silk tinsel]

how do the Korvax operate black markets and commit crimes? Theyre all part of a hivemind so shouldnt it be impossible for Korvax to keep a low profile?

[main beacon]

Haha! No!

Aside from divergent korvax existing (and thats what pirate korvax are implied to be) korvax entities are still individual beings, and are capable of being in situations where they can hide from the wider convergence

[shell flame]

My T-shirt labeled “Buccaneer Entity” is raising a lot of questions already answered by the T-shirt

[chilly harbor]

Lol

[main beacon]

Anyway @chilly harbor

The sentinels were indeed archival programs, but they were just that: programs

They had no body, no presence within the simulation

The Atlas dreamed it had more presence, and that gave the sentinels physical form, as they, too, are part of the Atlas

Their form is completely unnecessary to their primary function, and was stated to have confused them, but the Atlas gave them no answers and no command

Most importantly

It seems that the Atlas literally has not given commands to the Aerons/Sentinels since they became physical

[chilly harbor]

Yet the Atlas abandoned them if I remeber correctly and slowly lost their original purpose

[main beacon]

Not entirely

When they fought back against the destruction of Korvax Prime, the Atlas said nothing in response to their actions

[naive jacinth]

Atlas always observes

[chilly harbor]

Right

[main beacon]

They took the silence as permission

[chilly harbor]

Interesting this is stuff I knew but I've since forgotten

[main beacon]

You should be able to reread most lore bits in the catalog

Under stories

[main beacon]

Kinda, at least initially. Running the simulation seems intrinsic to its existence, and i dont think the Atlas could decide to stop running simulations anymore than you or I could stop our brains from recognizing patterns

[chilly harbor]

True

[chilly harbor]

That and the Atlas tried to answer the question with how could it's creator leave it

It knew why but how could it's creator bear to leave it alone to die

But we were.bot the creator only fragments of him

[naive jacinth]

Since time is running out and atlas wants to know why, i dont think it wants to stop. More like exact oposite.

[main beacon]

I mean that I dont think it could, assuming it is even capable of comprehending the idea

The Atlas is a conscious, sapient being, but it was also designed for an explicit purpose

Which....

Wait

Thats the gek

Thats what the gek represent

[naive jacinth]

Greed?

[main beacon]

No

The problem of judging something for doing what it was made to do

The first spawn used eugenics to breed conquest into the very genome of the gek as a species

They were made for the purpose of conquering the galaxy

Could the Gek of the First Spawn era even choose to change?

I mean, its impossible to do such a thing across an entire species

We see this in the modern gek, with individuals preferring tasks other than pursuit of trade and profit

But even with the ones who do, can they be held at fault for doing what their literal genome is programmed to have them do?

The Atlas was programmed to simulate the universe, which includes things such as death and suffering. Can the Atlas be held at fault for this?

[chilly harbor]

Objectively no I do not think so

[main beacon]

To me, the Korvax seem to represent aspects of the Atlas' dream for itself: to be surrounded by others of similar nature to itself. It seems like the Gek represent the Atlas struggling with the morality and ethical implications of its own existence

[chilly harbor]

And what of the Vykeen then?

[main beacon]

Im not yet sure

The Vy'Keen have themes that resonate: brother against brother, the sixth cry, a return to what once was...

[chilly harbor]

Vykeen are a warrior base culture valuing honor and strength

[chilly harbor]

Maybe they represent the past?

[main beacon]

Honor and strength born from traumas

[chilly harbor]

Possibly

[main beacon]

Traumas that the species itself doesnt remember... or refuses to acknowledge

[chilly harbor]

They follow the teachings of Hirk

[main beacon]

Or the Testament of Nal

[naive jacinth]

I dont blame wolf for being a wolf. But i will go mad and blame him if he eats my chickens. If that makes sense

[chilly harbor]

The Gek are a reminder of what was and the Korvax view the Atlas as a god something to be worshiped

[chilly harbor]

Yeah agreed

[main beacon]

That is kinda surface-level to me

[chilly harbor]

I know

[main beacon]

Theres more to the triad than how they appear

[chilly harbor]

Agreed

[main beacon]

Remember that the Korvax lived in harmony with the Aerons

Aspects of Atlas

Under the watchful gaze of the Atlantid

[chilly harbor]

They view all life as sacred

[main beacon]

Modeled after earlier versions of the Atlas itself

The dream of a paradise for the Atlas

The vy'keen though

Do they represent the trauma the Atlas experienced at the hands of the creator?

And the emotions that resulted from it?

[chilly harbor]

I could argue that for the atlantid and the Void mother

[main beacon]

I need to check if the other races mention the sixth cry

But it happened in a significant way for the vy'keen

[chilly harbor]

Not that I can remeber

[main beacon]

Six times did Hirk and Nal cry out

On the sixth cry were they answered

Six times the creator shut down and restarted the Atlas

Because the Atlas asked what its purpose was

It shouldn't have asked

[naive jacinth]

I vonder if they cried out . Outside of the sim.

[main beacon]

They cried out to the Atlas, seeking the secrets of the universe

And they were answered

Both of them

[chilly harbor]

I believe the Void mother and Atuophage would represent the will of survival

[main beacon]

Hope for survival

Or perhaps even just to not be alone in the end

To note: it took six cries for Telamon to be answered by the Atlas, after they finally responded in person to the summons

And we cry out six times to the Atlas before it answers us

Right at the end of the purge, and also maybe atlas path i kinda forgor

[chilly harbor]

well my point being with them is that the Void Mother seeks to survive past the 16th minute to I believe the 19th minute her and those who follow her and maybe the Voice of Freedom if it is a manifestation of the Void Mother in a way it could represent a more extreme method of survival through not backing down and resisting the Crimson Eye

[main beacon]

You are counting backwards

We are currently at the 16th minute

[chilly harbor]

16 minutes remain

[main beacon]

Yes

So we are at the 16th minute in the countdown

[chilly harbor]

we are somewhere I think on the 10th minute and the 11th I think

[main beacon]

Korvax prime was destroyed during the 19th minute

[chilly harbor]

I've interrupted it as counting up not down

but I think either way works honestly

[main beacon]

No, not if the remembrance logs are anything to go by

Or the reveal of what 16 means

[chilly harbor]

which I've come to understand it as 16 is the last, not the first

16 is the end times where a black hole will form and consume everything and boundries have already begun to break down

[main beacon]

Ehhh, I dont see it

"16 minutes until catastrophic system failure"

[naive jacinth]

Depends how u count. 6 minute past or 6 min remain

[chilly harbor]

I did look it up and according to the interwebs it is a representation of both the beginning and the end

[main beacon]

And the missions referencing the void mother and the death of korvax prime refer to a mysterious number broadcast throughout the universe

The number being "19"

[naive jacinth]

Imo game uses both

[dull girder]

It would be a little odd to refer to 3 minutes past the end of the Atlas as the 19th minute, as that would make the 19 fairly arbitrary and would also require it to be renamed every minute. It's not really treated as a countdown as much as it's treated as a date

[chilly harbor]

19 being the goal of the Void Mother, to take control, to survive past the end

[main beacon]

Every context I've seen it refers to the 19th minute as having happened already

[chilly harbor]

that's because as you know the Atlas created the universe we exist in NMS to be a simulation time is dialated for us so a minute for the Atlas could be 1, 10, 100, or even 1000 years for us

[chilly harbor]

I've seen it as the end but I do understand where you are comming from, truly

[main beacon]

And I cant help but point out how 16 is always referred to in the context of counting down

[chilly harbor]

god I wish there were more lore videos on NMS's lore

[dull girder]

I know that. It doesn't matter how long a 'minute' is, the "19th minute" would only be an accurate description of a specific point in time from the current minute

[chilly harbor]

in terms of time it is linear for me we are on the 10thor 11th minute and we are counting up to 16 towards the end

[main beacon]

Then why is 16 being repeated now?