#nms-lore

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fallow lily
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Because then I would learn shit

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Some universes may have existed without the sentinels ever being present, while others may have existed with them there from the start

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After all, it wasnt our universe that they exterminated sapient life

fallow lily
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The reason that there's no settlement is because all of them are gone?

main beacon
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Settlements are crossing the line, in the sentinels' view

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They refuse to allow a repeat of the death of Korvax Prime

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fallow lily
main beacon
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And yeah, the regular universes are thriving in comparison

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The reason not all universes were wiped out is (I think) because the sentinel hive does disagree on things

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There were even civil wars among the sentinels

fallow lily
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Don't tell me there's 'good' ones

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The only 'good' one is a broken one

main beacon
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Good is relative

fallow lily
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You can scan them and see what their primary directive is

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Some are to "sow discord"

main beacon
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Well... they are working towards a new plan

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Idk how much of the hive is on board

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fallow lily
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Sometimes it gives that to aggressive ones

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Well, my point was more to show that even the sentinels arent a single collective

fallow lily
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The corrupted ones slightly give me the chills because the waves don't end

main beacon
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Ive had the waves end

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Shows an interceptor when that happens

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Sometimes

fallow lily
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The ones that turn invisible are my biggest concern

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If I'm too weak

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I also cant help but empathize with how sentinels perceive our resource gathering

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They feel the minerals and plants being torn apart

fallow lily
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Guess I'll mine more

main beacon
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They feel the peace being disturbed

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By a careless intruder

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They hear the screams, feel the pain

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How could they not try to stop it?

fallow lily
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I thought you said they do not experience fear

main beacon
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I never said there was fear

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Only pain

fallow lily
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good

main beacon
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And the sentinels dont care about their own pain

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They arent evil things

fallow lily
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Well they sure as hell get in my way

main beacon
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But we cannot help but conflict with them

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fallow lily
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Like I'm trying to deliver the nipnip buds

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It's a job

main beacon
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Oh that im less confident about, lol

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Idk what kind of deals the sentinels have with the various civs

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Also the three main goverments are shady as heck

fallow lily
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Now I understand they feel pain, they make noises when you shoot them

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Like it hurts

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Especially the emp, it gives them a seizure

main beacon
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I already told you, they dont care about their own pain

fallow lily
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Like zombies almost

main beacon
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More like their concern lies elsewhere

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What is the pain of a drone compared to that of a world?

fallow lily
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I'll be sure to give my condolences to them the next time I go hunting for their purple glass

lyric harness
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turns out I killed him off in this save because the atlas was all like "you let artemis and apollo die" thonk huh.

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it's connected to when he asks you if money is the only thing that matters. I said yes and he died

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I haven't seen anyone screenshot the atlas talking about you killing off both of them, because everyone's walkthrough I see has them leaving apollo alive

dusty ferry
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oh is that why apollo died on two separate occasions after giving them the glyphs and they survived once for me? the money discussions? 😭

formal ravine
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Old gek spawn be like:

lyric harness
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there's those symbols for the void/dissonance, but is there any visual form for the void mother like with the atlas and its interfaces/symbols or is it more seen as an abstract force that influences things in the dark

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Atlantideum

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You can hear the song through it

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It is her touch, her form

lyric harness
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-# first sentinel multitool's procgen name on this save is "Destroyer of the Abyss". ironic lol

main beacon
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Pushing through into the simulation

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Now her presence is even greater

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She has returned as promised, in stellar multitudes!

lyric harness
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so she's all the purple stars fair enough

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who's the glass stars? they go on so much in the artemis path about the atlas and the portals, so to have systems that actually don't work/only work with the portal network is very interesting

main beacon
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Perhaps it is between the simulation and the world of glass?

lyric harness
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yeah that is why the first guy on reddit coined "glass stars".

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like they've slipped into a place away from what we see

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that shadow/glass stuff is a genuine bug, but it is weird. they could easily be implemented into lore if hg chooses to embrace it

main beacon
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Considering how some were shifted due to purple systems, maybe they have in a way

naive jacinth
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Where the information of simulations go

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The sentinels' original purpose was filing and organizing the data

naive jacinth
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Like i said archive

main beacon
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Yes

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Also its almost certainly broken

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Im fairly sure its not supposed to be possible to return from the archives

naive jacinth
main beacon
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Especially considering how the world of glass contains the information from every prior and current interation

lyric harness
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isn't the glass in the world of glass really, really sharp? I heard somewhere bring that up.

main beacon
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Its not a place where youre supposed to "keep existing"

main beacon
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As an archive, I imagine it would compress the data for more efficient storage

naive jacinth
main beacon
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Yes

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But in the sense of "sleep-type afterlife" rather than "otherworld-type"

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Moving would hurt because the archives weren't designed for that

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Its like trying to force a filing cabinet to be an open container where the files can freely be moved

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Though I'll point out that some of the "glass" references seem to be referring more to the screen

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Like, our monitor

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Some players even theorized that the world of glass was our world, but i dont see that being the case

naive jacinth
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Display screen ? ?

main beacon
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Yes

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The one we play the game on

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The most explicit reference is made by Telamon

naive jacinth
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Screen is more like a barier than full realm

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And its not an archive

main beacon
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Exactly

naive jacinth
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Its lile the exact opposite

main beacon
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I think the idea was that the players are the "family of glass" but I also dont see that being the case

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Also I have learned that there are multiple families of glass

naive jacinth
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Glass angels and void dragons are one types of glass families imo

main beacon
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Oh I think families of glass are groups of people in the world of glass who banded together

lyric harness
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I've noticed the recurrence of #4924G (ITERATION #2394829084924924924G
) in dialogue. guessing that's the collective iteration number of the "last traveller", or everyone?

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in the appearance modifier, the other 4924s A through F appear

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Tbh I sorta see my nms friend code as my iteration designation, lol

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Though I also view my different saves as different iterations of my character

hybrid obsidian
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So something I dont understand about sentinels;
Their goal is to protect the creations of the atlas and thats why they dont let the other races build on planets right?

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Why are they fine with our bases then? They fly by, scan them, move on

main beacon
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They are okay with minor settlements and such

lyric harness
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here's the real question.

who's going around and hiding the anomaly detectors inside asteroid fields

main beacon
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Ok so I just encountered what may be an example of one of the smallest freighters

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Wait wrong channel, lol

lyric harness
main beacon
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I was playing nms and had discord open on the other monitor to #no-mans-sky but decided to send the message from my phone, which was on this channel

karmic trout
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@main beacon do we know where the Vy'keen relocated after Dryn'dargh turned into Chernobyl??

main beacon
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Not specifically. I think they just generally inhabit the outer rim regions

karmic trout
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Also I just noticed you turned purple loll... you moved up two roles so fast haha

main beacon
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I am purple² now

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karmic trout
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at least in the First Spawn era we know Balaron and Korvax Prime were inhabited

main beacon
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Hmm, the Hirk and Nal story is framed as being the catalyst for the Aeron war

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And I'm fairly sure they lived on Dryn'dargh at some point in their lives

karmic trout
main beacon
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No, they had space travel at the time

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And Dryn'dargh had something like cities

karmic trout
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Little is known about Vy'keen homeworld; many believe it to be an irradiated hellhole, based on the belief that Grahberries plants were once native to Dryn'dargh. It is also true that Grahberries are used in traditional Vy'keen foods such as Grahj'am and Vy'ice Cream.

This is what the wiki says

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also Grahjam and Vy'ice-cream bruh 😭 😭 someone at HG was very proud of this

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Dun's'kaareen is a holy mountain of the Vy'keen homeworld, from which Hirk the Great spoke to the masses

This could be a capital city perhaps

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karmic trout
main beacon
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I think scorched?

karmic trout
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I looked it up and it seems it can only be found on irradiated biomes

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There's no second one

main beacon
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I coulda sworn I found them elsewhere once

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I specifically remember being surprised to find them

karmic trout
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I looked up on Steam as well, they also say it's only available on radioactive planets

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Could it be the Mandela effect?

main beacon
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No because it was recent... hmm, maybe it was a mega exotic or something, they can have kinda hybrid appearances

lyric harness
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why are they called autophage? I know auto means self and phage means consume, but that just means self-consume, as in self cannibalism (autophagy). building their own bodies seems like the clear opposite of eating them or something

stoic leaf
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or is it because korvax just said goodbye and great disconnection happened

sinful relic
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Autophagy is your bodies process of re-using old and damaged cell parts

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So I assumed it came from that

karmic trout
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Alien: Grah! Vy'keen war preparation nears completion! Death to the unsuspecting Gek! Give rare isotope!

The warrior is building a nuclear warhead. The plans they hold in their hand are unmistakable. A complicated sequence of blueprints and isotopic chemical reactions is waiting for the final addition of an element to be complete.

There are countless lives on an unknown planet, far out in the cosmos, that could one day end due to this lifeform's work...

desert kelp
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lol, I remember that one. Gives you the option to help completing the nuke, right?
-# I may have helped.

hybrid obsidian
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Why is the No Man's Sky universe such a sausage fest? I have only ever seen one NPC I would have read as feminine and that is Iteration Selene

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I know that thats probably because of convinience to the devs but honestly I think Id loose it if there was a lore reason

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😂

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hybrid obsidian
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Hence why I wouldnt read any of these characters as feminine

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But I somehow doubt this community is receptive to progressive arguments so I will just leave it at that. I still need this server for asking dumb questions 👀

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# hybrid obsidian Yeeeaaah no, its not really equal representation when there is only one body typ...

Ok so, because I cannot help but be pedantic about it, theres 4-5 body types, iirc, though I do understand there still being criticism for options.
Onto actual things, the main thing I see stopping the devs from making more obviously gendered player models is that everyone is wearing a spacesuit. They arent typically form fitting, though the sleek one is an exception, I'll give that. I do wanna hear how you think it could be implemented.
Then the other thing is, theyre gender neutral because theyre aliens. We dont know the gender standards of travellers, korvax, gek, or vy'keen or what physiological differences there'd even be. Anomalies are implied to be human, so I could see them having more of a human shape. As for the rest? If they were to have genders, I personally would like the way its shown to be different from humans.

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I do wanna make it clear that I'm not opposed to more gendered character options, because more character customization is always a plus in my eyes

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Also I do kinda want to know about the different species genders and how they express them, but I doubt HG will specify because they might prefer to leave it up to players' interpretation

dull girder
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There is definitely a fair argument to be made about the appearance of the aliens, mainly the Korvax and Vy'keen all falling much closer to the masculine end of the spectrum in terms of their general proportions.

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Gek are appropriately ambiguous imo, they're just weird little aliens

main beacon
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True, though I see the vy'keen as appearing masculine in a human sense as a whole, similar to how some fantasy settings have all their dwarves being stocky with beards, regardless of gender

dull girder
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In terms of lore, we do know that the Vy'keen have some sort of sexual dimorphism, though the game doesn't tell what that is

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I think the OG travellers from Atlas Rises were a lot better on this front too, part of the reason all NPCs have such similar builds now is for the sake of reusing animations and customization parts

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Those ones resemble how -null- looks quite a bit. I do find that the sleek spacesuit (which travellers we encounter generally wear) is more ambiguous in body appearance

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I can see some elements of the current sleek suit design was carried over from early traveller appearances

dull girder
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They lost the more slender proportions and narrower shoulders, which makes the current ones read more masculine - or at the very least more human, which is sort of the same issue. If the 'genderless' aliens look human, you start to run into the issue where they will probably skew one way or the other.

main beacon
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Honestly, I kinda thought that Artemis had a rather slender build, but the other travellers do look basically the same proportions as players

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The Vy'keen proportions are exaggerated past looking human, in my opinion

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The korvax would be most interesting because I think their shells would generally look the same in terms of proportions, but there is the occasional hint that they were once organic, so if any gender differences would be carried over, what would they be? They definitely have gender as a concept

wet zephyr
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Anyone think waking titan is canon? I think so

main beacon
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If it is, its definitely not the same Atlas as the one in the game

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dull girder
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The first two pics are the freighter bridge, back then the entrance was on the upper floor

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Travellers that spawned there couldn't be interacted with, I remember the first one I ever saw was up there and I had no idea what it was

solid cedar
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So i just did purge ||there were 4 options to reset what diffrencr if i choose 1-3, (I thought I need to reset all 4) started from 4th. It said that atlas created parrarel universe to predict its doom or sth. What is said in first 3 options or the same?||

lyric harness
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the red galaxy is harsh (calypso), green is lush (eissentam), and dark blue is empty (budullangr).

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there are 256 galaxies in the game, and they fall under 4 different types. the light blue you chose is a norm galaxy, which has standard planet distribution (so like euclid), and is the most common type of galaxy.

harsh has extreme storms and sentinels on its planets regardless of star color, lush has more lush planets around yellow stars, and empty has more dead (and by extent, exotic) planets around yellow stars.

strong flame
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What did null do? I don't understand? I believe we are going to reset atlas which will reset the multiverse?

naive jacinth
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Yes

solid cedar
# solid cedar So i just did purge ||there were 4 options to reset what diffrencr if i choose 1...

Does any of 4 option here makes story changes like thing u reset. Or all 4 reset same thingy.
Is it later on explained what happend to null, apollo (if u saved him from same fate as artemis, or at least i propably did (atlas said i did).)
Could we say that null is basicly a "player" who took same yet diffrent path as us then Reseted sinulation.
Could we say that simulation is in loop of resets.
Does refusing to reset changes something lore wise?
Is there maybe pin or something with answer to this question or better yet yt video?
I am currently on quest revealkng autophages

solid cedar
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Also is the thing when we "meet" Apollo after he teleported to parrarel world a reference to nms launch when
Some person got to same place as other and couldn't see him/her

pure plinth
solid cedar
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solid cedar
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K ty

dull girder
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Nada, Polo, and all the other characters you interacted with during the story are not from your universe (as far as I understand) so they aren't effected by the reset

desert kelp
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Wait -- they are, aren't they? I remember Nada and Polo not remembering me after The Purge.
Saw someone doing the quest and refusing the reset, and Nada had different lines for that.

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pure plinth
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A lot of that part I somewhat sped through since stuff like purple star systems are locked behind the completion of the main quests, and I don't think it was really stated what would happen to things like the anomaly.
It likely would have made more sense back when the game had first released since a lot has been added since.

main beacon
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The anomaly was different back then

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As was its story

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I kinda forgot, but thats another reason why I dont think the simulation actually gets truly reset

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The old anomaly storyline still happened

pure plinth
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Im also used to lore being retconned in other games as new expansions were added.
After a while it hardly makes sense and you just sort of accept it.

main beacon
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But thats the thing

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I dont think old lore was retconned

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Nowadays, Nada already knows the nature of the simulation, they already think of atlas as a false deity

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This was not the case in earlier versions

pure plinth
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Doesn't seem to have been, and they tried to tie it all in as smoothly as possible.

main beacon
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I think they tied it rather well

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Nada knows because they already found out during the previous anomaly storyline

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And Polo is no longer existentially depressed because the space anomaly has more friends and interaction than before

desert kelp
pure plinth
main beacon
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Oh it was

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I remember what it was like

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The sub-simulation room is all that remains of the old model

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There used to be only four landing pads

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And before I played, I bet there was only one

desert kelp
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I hope they keep at four for corvettes lol. But I digress.

pure plinth
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Guess they added in all the other NPCs with an update. Well before my playing time though.

main beacon
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They did, and with it, the story changed

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Not because the old one didn't happen, but because it progressed past that point

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Nada is/was a priest-entity, and in their old dialog, they genuinely believed the Atlas was a god, but their questioning led to their exile

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The previous storyline had the player assist Nada and Polo through their respective crises, and during it, Nada uses data the player gathers to understand the nature of reality and Atlas

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Tbh, it basically was, since it was an emergency shelter constructed by Polo

desert kelp
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Apollo does that to some degree, but now the roles are reversed

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Nada doesnt tell us the truth from the beginning because they feel that we need to experience the revelation ourselves, and personally I agree

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I mean, heck, I basically went through a crisis like it myself

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And as I'm continuing to realize, telling others going through it the perspective you may reach at the end doesnt necessarily help because.... well I dont quite know exactly

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I remember being annoyed that I wasnt given the option to unite the two choices of "I'm real and the simulation is fake" and "I'm fake because im part of the simulation and that is fake," but someone going through that moment of crisis would probably need time to reach that sort of understanding

shut wigeon
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this meta lore must be awesome for the lore people who have been there and seen everything

main beacon
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Makes me wish I actually played more before the update tbh

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And I cant omit that I actually forgot much of the old story until I stumbled across a collection of the dialogs online

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shut wigeon
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The way I see it given the Nada dialog after the first Atlas portal encounter (where opting to reset the simulation doesn't actually do it), the denizens of the Anomaly do not live in the same continuity of time that you (the traveller) do. So their story is a meta story.

main beacon
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Well, travellers as a whole are complicated

shut wigeon
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The Anomaly moves outside of the space-time that you (the traveller) live in, and I believe the other inhabitants of the simulation live in yet another space-time. It almost feels like you live in a "foveated" space-time where things progress acconding to what's in front of you, except settlement building, growing plants, and freighter expeditions.

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like... those sentinels attacking your settlement or the infestation affecting your settlement don't do anything until you actually go there.

main beacon
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....with the sort of analysis I do it gets really hard to figure out what is done for gameplay convenience and what is important for the lore, lol

shut wigeon
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the way I see it, it's all for lore. Lore explains gameplay considerations especially in NMS

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yes, but if you don't go to your settlement, they don't actually attack it

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given how so many things are relative to point of view in the other lore, it fits as lore to me

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like the meeting-but-not-meeting with Apollo

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or how Nada treats you

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yeah, but in this game especially, a lot of it fits

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especially if you start considering the entire game to be a simulation in a simulation

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you (the player, not the traveller) is maybe the Atlas? I don't know yet about this...

main beacon
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Well, its not specifically known that the game is a nested simulation, but the likelihood is high

main beacon
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If its anything like that, the Atlas is the player's pc

shut wigeon
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I'm still in the middle of the purge, so I don't have strong enough convictions

shut wigeon
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or maybe the player's steam deck

lyric harness
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with terminal prime and what is said about the civs having their own supercomputers that can run simulations, it's not unheard of to think it goes the other way

main beacon
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Oh thats what I mean when I say the likelihood is high

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After all, you cant prove the likelihood of the universe being a simulation unless the simulated universe can simulate its own simulated universe

lyric harness
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the hell was the KORVA though

shut wigeon
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yeah, I can't use them yet

main beacon
lyric harness
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is it reasonable to think the atlas, hearing this name, used it for the korvax, or was it just lazy

the fact that it's even mentioned in the universe means the atlas had to have perceived it

main beacon
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The KORVA sighed

lyric harness
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damn I wonder what the no man's sky equivalent ran on the korva would be like

main beacon
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I swear I remember the KORVA sighing

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But the Atlas perceives it too, considering the whole mind scan thing

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Korva is portable

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Effectively, the KORVA would be tech miniturization

lyric harness
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I'd be lying if I said I didn't have thoughts on what the atlas looked like outside of the simulation. a supercomputer in a room of a long-empty building with a black hole looming in the sky

main beacon
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Tbh Im not even sure on the presence of buildings

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I think the Atlas supercomputer spans a significant portion of the planetoid it is on

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Buildings would be like offices stuck onto the side in places

lyric harness
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they had to have been if they left ages before the black hole

shut wigeon
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main beacon
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The Atlas dreamed for millennia before the black hole became an issue, so I assume its local system was on an unfortunate trajectory in the long run

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Honestly, they might have made the replacement specifically because of that eventual problem

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Alright so I need to tell something I've learned about the vy'keen a while ago, but I'm gonna put it in spoilers in case others want to discover it for themselves. It is from a vy'keen planetary archive entry about raising pups (vy'keen children)

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Vy'keen pups are naturally ||fearful of those aside from their parents. It is an old instinct, from when they were prey, and the community must make special effort to train it out of their children||

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Sounds like one of the gek archives? They hold a grudge against the vy'keen for being treated as the same as their ancestors

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But theres even more reason for it, considering another archive revealing information about the vy'keen and their ancient past

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||"Subspecies designate: Vy"||

karmic trout
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||prey? from whom?? who is hunting|| the most powerful military in the universe?

hard shoal
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hard shoal
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The First Spawn probably still wouldn’t want to fight even a moderately extended conflict, although they’d probably win

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War is a nasty business, especially on interstellar scales. The First Spawn probably realized that the Vykeen would be weakened after their fight with the Aerons and decided to just bide their time until the conflict was over

hard shoal
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iirc the Vykeen were still pretty heavily affected by the First Spawns activities, but they still managed to remain independent

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I think it’s confirmed that the Atlas has a strange bias towards the same three races

karmic trout
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ngl I want an NMS prequel

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when the Atlas was at its peak, but ofc it will probably bankrupt HG

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Knowledge that I have uncovered regarding... the specific nature of the vy'keen as a species, gives some answers, but there may be more

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# main beacon ||"Subspecies designate: Vy"||

@karmic trout I allude to it here, but basically ||a Korvax research team finds evidence that the Vy'keen are the last surviving subspecies of a more diverse species, and the reason they survived is because these subspecies apparently hunted each other||

shut wigeon
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Did null genocide the other races?

main beacon
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What null did would more appropriately be called "omnicide"

karmic trout
# main beacon <@694041251036790794> I allude to it here, but basically ||a Korvax research tea...

Kinda resembles the|| Wookies and Trandoshians from Star Wars - the Wookies themselves are said to be very strong, being able to rip apart regular humanoids with their bare hands, but ultimately hunted by the technologically superior Trandoshians. Perhaps this Vy'keen subspecies either got ahead of the technology curve or perhaps hid themselves/stayed in the shadows while the other species killed each other. ||

shut wigeon
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won't I be doing the same when I reset the simulation?

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will I be branded an omnicider too?

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is it omnicide or be omnicided?

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shut wigeon
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yes I do realize this has no gameplay implication.

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hence I'm in lore

main beacon
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You are free to come to your own conclusions based on your own interpretations and philosophy

shut wigeon
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does resetting the simulation reset the galaxy or the universe

karmic trout
shut wigeon
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or is resetting universe starting a new save slot?

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so Nada has simulation of a system, Atlas a simulation of a galaxy, and you a simulation of the universe?

main beacon
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Do not forget the words of Telamon

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karmic trout
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I dont think so

karmic trout
fervent blazeBOT
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I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

shut wigeon
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shut wigeon
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"I feel it when you save"

shut wigeon
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"technology recharged"

main beacon
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"I smell it, each time you seal us in that darkness"

karmic trout
main beacon
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It does fit tbh, lol

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Nms cinematic about the telamon reveal would basically go like that, lol

karmic trout
main beacon
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Surprising, but necessary

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Ive seen the sentiment that the universe being a simulation removes any attachment or investment into the story, which is absurd to me

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I cannot see the difference in meaning aside from what a person would decide there is

karmic trout
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Its not the nature of the thing that determines meaning, but what you believe of it

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"Theyre just code, its like deleting a file"
The same can be said for us, operating on the software provided by genetics and evolutionary psychology

shut wigeon
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in a rather depressing way

main beacon
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I gotta remember to still be sensitive about this

shut wigeon
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"collectible received"

main beacon
#

I dont understand because I'm sorta "on the other side" of this type of crisis

shut wigeon
#

"life support power low"

#

I should answer people's questions with Telamon quotes

main beacon
#

Existence doesnt decide what is meaningful, we do

shut wigeon
main beacon
#

Maybe

#

Maybe not

shut wigeon
#

dang. too late

main beacon
#

Maybe I uploaded artemis into a personal hell of a single system to explore

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With very little contact to those beyond

shut wigeon
#

I did it because I wouldn't want to be "living" in a simulation

main beacon
#

I suppose you know why its called a sub-simulation now, eh?

shut wigeon
#

like what they did to Moriarty in that Star Trek episode

#

hated that episode for that reason

#

even though Moriarty was a "program" that somehow exited the game

main beacon
#

Id have to actually watch that episode to understand, but I can guess

shut wigeon
main beacon
#

The game confronts many existential aspects of reality, I cannot deny that it hurts to go through such a crisis

shut wigeon
#

Like how Agent Smith left the Matrix

main beacon
#

Yeah

shut wigeon
#

I saw a lot of parallels

main beacon
#

Though I think a program could find peace in its existence

#

People go through similar struggles, when the concept of a "higher reality" is believed to exist

#

If such a thing is true, what meaning exists in this world?

#

My answer is the same as if it were a simulation

#

"Meaning exists exactly as much as before"

shut wigeon
#

Ok, too heavy for me... need to step back for a bit

main beacon
#

Thats fair

vale fern
wispy basalt
#

Who is telamon not telamon?

sinful relic
#

You are

#

We are

wispy basalt
#

What does telamon mean

#

-w-

naive jacinth
#

Telamon is the suit voice

heavy night
shut wigeon
#

what's the lore purpose of th atlas eternal mission?

main beacon
shut wigeon
#

am I right that this is the permaquest after the atlas path?

winged slate
#

Guys I have a theory

#

I think the atlas is actually sans

#

They look similar

#

Sound similar

#

And have identical personalities

#

Am i matpat or what

karmic trout
winged slate
karmic trout
main beacon
main beacon
winged slate
lyric harness
#

you're the big lore guy at this moment in time, so have you ever contemplated what the mechafauna's purpose is

main beacon
#

Purpose?

lyric harness
#

I've gathered a list of the notes I've seen because you can't see them directly in discoveries, only when you're on-site

main beacon
#

I mean I dont understand asking about what their purpose is

lyric harness
#

they come across to me as some sort of subroutine of the atlas like telamon

#

the notes are:
-# [Internal battery leak detected], Air-cooled, Chooses not to speak, Distributed cores, Divergent, Enlarged flux circuit, Graphene wiring, Magnetic Shell, Non-simulated, Organic interior, Overclocked, Recycled, Remembers the Before, Searching for home, Self-aware, Self-constructed, Self-Greasing, Solar Powered, Superconducting wires, Transmitting to the Atlas, Underclocked, Unscannable, Wonders why

main beacon
#

Hmmm

#

"Purpose" is a difficult word to really pin down, especially in regards to the nms universe

#

The most intriguing part of that is how they seem to reference things relating to both the Atlas and the Atlantid

#

I'd imagine theyd exist for a similar reason that Korvax Prime did, and that the sentinels were given physical form

#

Theyre exclusive to uncharted systems, which is another important thing to consider

lyric harness
#

away from the three races

main beacon
#

Away from any

lyric harness
#

ignoring that the last traveller as the player they are can just adopt one and bring one wherever...

I wonder what this seclusion on their part is meant to represent

dusky fox
#

I would NEVER have expected this story to be this interesting before I played the game

sonic jackal
#

Idk

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I just think it’s a cool way to grind nanites

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And warp cells

#

Every atlas u find u get 2 warp cells

dusky fox
#

Something doesn't sit right with me about using korvax blood as a currency

main beacon
#

No need to worry!

main beacon
dusky fox
#

Did I say the name wrong

main beacon
#

No

main beacon
dusky fox
#

🔥

hallow scroll
#

I wonder, is doing a lot of teleportation canonically dangerous to beings? because I am totally abusing every kind of teleportation available to me lmao

#

it just seems "unrealistic" (heavy quotation marks) to me that this technology which yeets players millions of lightyears across the various galaxies has a zero percent failure rate, so I thought I'd ask if there was any lore about it
this is more of a silly question rather than serious, I'm just interested

karmic trout
#

Hyperspace also must have come with its own risks in the beginning but now it has become ubiquitous.

dull girder
#

Portals are pretty dangerous in the lore

#

I don't think there's any meaningful lore acknowledgements of the teleporters found in space stations that do essentially the same thing though

naive jacinth
karmic trout
#

then again why are there space-ships in the first place if the majority of the galaxy has been colonised with TPs at every station?

dull girder
#

I assume TPs must have some sort of limitation that isn't present in gameplay

karmic trout
dull girder
#

Well, it doesn't make any practical sense that you can only use them to visit stations that you've previously been to. Combine that with the fact that they are quite easy to build and have unlimited range (more so than even portals, technically) and it doesn't make any sense that the portals are even remotely noteworthy when you could just teleport safely to any space station in existence

#

In the story, portals are treated as necessary to meet up so there must be some reason the characters don't opt to use the teleporters instead

#

but as far as actual lore goes, I don't think there's any that even mentions the teleporters. Maybe there's a description for the buildable version, maybe the base building quest mentions them?

pure plinth
#

Maybe the space station ones need to be calibrated to your "being".
Game reason just to prevent players from going to any station anywhere unless they visited first.

dull girder
#

Well yeah they're clearly something made for gameplay more than lore

#

same reason that your ship magically teleports to a landing pad at the target station even though it definitely didn't go through the teleporter

pure plinth
#

Or summoning your freighter across galaxies for no cost.

sinful relic
#

I believe those fall under "gameplay choices for QOL"

shut wigeon
#

The freighter is really just running inside a simulation contained inside Telamon's subconscious. Summoning it to where Telamon simulates as your location costs no fuel due to a bug in the simulation that Telamon doesn't care to fix.

main beacon
#

Teleporters definitely exist in lore, which can be seen with pirate station teleporters being isolated from the wider network

#

I can imagine there'd be more risk for most denizens of the galaxy than there is for travellers and anomalies, since the anatomy and biology of the latter two is far less conventional

#

Also I wouldnt think there'd be reason for the teleporter cache to work differently. You'd still need to visit somewhere before teleporting to it

#

If a gek/korvax/vykeen spends their entire life in a single system, the teleporter would be practically useless to them

main beacon
dull girder
#

Why would it make any sense for it to work like that

#

If they have a network of teleporters between stations, where any teleporter is capable of sending you to any station no matter the distance, why would it be designed to only let you go to places you've already been

main beacon
#

What do you mean?

#

You gotta have the address to pick where to go

#

Imo that would be a reason it would be safe

dull girder
#

okay, people would know addresses of systems they've never been to

#

they would make directories of stations then

#

there wouldn't be a limitation

main beacon
#

Why not? Its a regulated network

dull girder
#

If two travellers wanted to meet up, couldn't they just tell each other their teleporter addresses then?

#

especially if they knew the dangers of the portals?

main beacon
#

I dont think teleporter have a place to actually enter an address, but they read locations that youve been to

dull girder
#

I think you're missing the point

#

Which is that the teleporter technology, in universe, must have some different limitations from what we see in game

main beacon
#

I do think thats the case, but that it applies more strongly to organisms aside from travellers

#

Things work differently for the travellers, other races cant even actually use the portals

dull girder
#

Actually, did you play the Blighted Expedition?

main beacon
#

Yes, though its been a while

dull girder
#

The story for that one was that you're chasing down some pirate faction. At the end, you follow their trail to a portal that they've hooked all this extra tech up to. When you follow them through it it takes you to a different galaxy

#

It isn't stated what the blight actually is, they could be travellers I suppose

main beacon
#

Oh right

#

Thats doubly abnormal for portals

dull girder
#

but it's weird that the story breaks what's usually been established for portals

main beacon
#

Weird, but with pretty clear implications for why

#

Also cant forget how that expedition happened during the update that tied pirates to the void mother via the voice of freedom

dull girder
#

It was the pirate update, so would have been the one that added the voice of freedom

main beacon
#

A very porple voice

main beacon
#

Oh I should've specified, non-travellers seem to be unable to activate the portals

shut wigeon
#

Do they ever explain why domesticated echinocactus doesn't look like wild echinocactus?

main beacon
#

It doesnt?

shut wigeon
#

No, it's brown and not green 🙂

#

and the flowers look different

main beacon
#

I mean, it makes sense it would look different

shut wigeon
#

The other growables that you find in the wild look the same, though

main beacon
#

It might be a shader bug then

main beacon
#

TIME TRAVEL

#

Why do it do in the computer but computer not can do it?

weak hamlet
#

Yes

main beacon
#

Specifically, I recall the leviathan expedition

#

And the organic frigate loop things in fleet expeditions

lyric harness
#

you think null memorized all the flavor text and descriptors for things

main beacon
#

Once, perhaps

#

But things keep changing so...

lyric harness
#

the atlas did keep making more and more similar universes in its degradation but wasn't it near the end after all the big variation that it made travellers to explore it

main beacon
#

Actually, no

#

Well, it was in the process of the various patterns being more apparent

#

But considering how most of the crashed freighter logs suggest they belonged to a galactic civilization other than the gek, korvax, and vy'keen, yet many logs still reference travellers, its safe to say that they've been in the sim for a while

#

Though... chronology does get confusing when you can have simulations containing similar histories that happen at different times relative to each other

shut wigeon
#

The continuous anomaly mission reads "Explore countless realities". Any interesting lore related to this?

bold yacht
#

What race is artimis?

shut wigeon
#

traveller

karmic trout
fallow geode
shut wigeon
blissful ginkgo
shut wigeon
#

I guess if teleporting or warping jumps between realities, it makes sense.

shut wigeon
#

wow, there's some atlas lore in the atlas pass v3 locked rooms in abandoned stations in purple systems. Wild

main beacon
#

Potentially behind any locked atlas pass v2 or v3 door in abandoned stations or in minor settlements

viscid axle
#

So... I've learned that the Atlas doesn't care for much other than running endless simulations and it's life. Has there ever been an event or anything that had angered the Atlas or at least made the Atlas react in some way?

sweet dagger
#

I have many questions after "beating" the story...

#

where is a lorehead I can bombard

karmic trout
#

This guy levelled up their way through the server just by talking about lore 🤣

viscid axle
#

Dang lmao

main beacon
#

Honestly i kinda thought it was Atlas seeing through the whole duplicates thing and specifically calling the actual Telamon out

main beacon
# sweet dagger where is a lorehead I can bombard

Yes there is me to bombard with questions, though I'm not always fully clear with answers because it can be more fun to find them yourself, but regardless I'll clarify things and point you in the direction of where to find more knowledge

#

My first bit of clarification is that the main story questlines are basically a summary of the lore, and a brief one at that

#

Yes

sweet dagger
#

ok I have to remember my questions now

main beacon
#

It was my guess that Atlas was like "dude Im asking for you not your duplicates"

#

Granted there were probably less violent ways it could do that

#

My main reasoning is that when the actual Telamon finally shows up, Atlas isnt hostile towards them at all

sweet dagger
#

can I ask them at random like kinda out of order

main beacon
#

Sure

sweet dagger
#

ok I started the game a while ago but only "finished" it now so I forgot some artemis stuff, how did we discover them? and were they in fact dead from the start?

karmic trout
sweet dagger
#

naaah

main beacon
quick temple
#

wowzers

main beacon
#

"Were they dead" probably, though what death means in the nms universe is rather complicated

sweet dagger
#

so our ship was theirs

main beacon
#

No, not quite

#

The crashed ship after fixing the radiant pillar

#

In the case of my permadeath save, it is, but thats because I decided to challenge myself more than with the difficulty restrictions

sweet dagger
#

ok anyway uhhrrm nada says our signal is familiar whats that about

main beacon
#

Its complicated

#

Each traveller, aside from being different people, is implied to have lived multiple lifetimes already

sweet dagger
#

due to wipes or what

main beacon
#

Wipes perhaps, though respawning is another possibility

sweet dagger
#

why are we the last traveller

main beacon
#

I dont actually know

sweet dagger
#

is it even true

main beacon
#

Yes in a complicated way

sweet dagger
#

i mean are other universes no longer being generated

#

if they are then how can we be

main beacon
#

So this bit can be up to interpretation

sweet dagger
#

grrr

main beacon
#

I do not believe that simulations are getting deleted to make way for new ones

sweet dagger
#

oh is that something that has to happen

#

it cant generate new ones without deleting old ones?

main beacon
#

Its what Atlas tells us will happen with the reset

#

But I dont believe it

sweet dagger
#

nothing is generated outside of resets?

main beacon
#

I dont think anything new is being generated at this point, aside from individual star systems

sweet dagger
#

hm

main beacon
#

Instead, realities are collapsing into each other

sweet dagger
#

null was a random traveller before us who managed to reach the altas and do a reset?

main beacon
#

Not exactly

#

-null- was the first

sweet dagger
#

every traveller was generated one at a time?

main beacon
#

Very hesitant "yes"

sweet dagger
#

weird

#

if the spacesuit travellers are the primary design and the funky alien-like travellers are not then why are spacesuit guys called anomalies

#

shouldnt it be the reverse

#

i might have worded this weird

main beacon
#

All travellers are anomalies in the system

#

Anomaly type travellers are a subtype that separates the players from previous travellers

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

didnt the atlas try to make us in the image of its creator

main beacon
#

But anything relating to chronology or exact orders of events pertaining to the travellers is difficult because not all simulations run with the same "present" time

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

fair enough

#

why did the atlas seem to focus on us as opposed to another traveller

#

bc we are the last?

main beacon
#

Yes, though I think its more than simply that

#

Ive been questioning the choice of the reset, and why we are being given it at all

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

is that the orb i got

#

havent played since i reset the universe n stuff

#

ik that our ai suit is supposed to actually be some debug program for atlas or whatever

main beacon
#

Remembrance is a series of logs from terminals hidden behind atlas pass doors

#

You'd be able to find them before finishing the story, but not able to actually read the logs

sweet dagger
#

so why exactly is our ai suit a debug program

#

how did it end up this way

main beacon
#

Not exactly a debug program

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

ah ok

main beacon
#

A bit difficult to start finding, but once youre on a planet with them, you should be able to go through them decently quickly

#

Theyre located on exotic and/or infested worlds in populated or abandoned (not uncharted) systems

sweet dagger
#

so all of this started bc atlas had 16 minutes till shutdown right

main beacon
#

Well, it started a bit before the 16 minute mark

sweet dagger
#

and atlas is an ai advanced enough to experience some version of emotion in some capacity?

sweet dagger
#

i thought it was bc of 16

main beacon
#

It was not intended to be so, however

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

so where does 16 come in

#

some random point when all universes started to follow the same path?

main beacon
#

Nope

#

Its just that the countdown is currently at 16 minutes left

#

One of the few definitive marks of chronology we have is another time the count was mentioned, and at a different point

#

Korvax Prime was destroyed sometime during the 19th minute

sweet dagger
#

ok but the thing is like

#

in computational time, a single real-world second can be an infinite amount of time in a simulated world

#

if atlas partially exists within its simulated world then why would it panic?

#

it could theoretically exist infinitely

#

or pseudo infinitely anyways

main beacon
#

It isnt panicking over its impending demise, I think it knew that was coming for a while

#

The reason it is panicking is because it doesnt want to die alone, and doesnt understand why it was left to die alone

sweet dagger
#

:(

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

the sentinels are random uninvited guests? why do they exist?

main beacon
#

That is answered from the sentinel pillar logs

#

But they are an important part of the Atlas' processing

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

I doubt I would have the patience to explore the story before moving on to another game id probably just do actual game stuff now

main beacon
#

Most of the lore is uncovered by doing actual game stuff, lol

sweet dagger
#

yippeee

main beacon
#

Exploring and investigating various structures

#

Like getting a royal multitool, youd have to go to sentinel pillars

sweet dagger
#

oh so when we wake up at the start of the game

#

it implies we had just initiated a wipe?

main beacon
#

Potentially, but I dont think so

#

All travellers initially awake in a similar manner

sweet dagger
#

and are not wiped in a wipe?

main beacon
#

Thats more complicated

#

I question if any wipe (aside from memory, perhaps) actually happened after what -null- did

sweet dagger
#

eggsblain

main beacon
#

Null actually deleted a universe, as well as... other things, in order to become immortal and be able to see everything

#

Or eventually explore everything

#

Whatever exactly happened, this permanently damaged their relationship to the Atlas and quite possibly harmed it in some way

#

So I question why we are presented with the same choice that led to it punishing null

#

My current hypothesis is that, as all travellers are made from the scan of Atlas' creator's brain, it is not actually a reset that would destroy the universe, but a test of character to see how many iterations repeat what Null did

sweet dagger
#

to what end

#

if we are the last traveller who makes that decision is the atlas just like

#

well shoot im screwed

main beacon
#

The Atlas is screwed no matter what

#

It just doesnt want to die alone

sweet dagger
#

well its not alone

#

so why bother testing anybody

main beacon
#

Do you consider the figures in your dreams to be company?

sweet dagger
#

i read that the world that created atlas was supposed to be a simulation as well

main beacon
#

It is likely

sweet dagger
#

then atlas was never alone

#

if they are dreams too

main beacon
#

Im not sure if it understands that

sweet dagger
#

but why the test then

main beacon
#

To understand why it was left to die alone

sweet dagger
#

no you said it was testing to see if travellers were like null

#

or am i misunderstanding

main beacon
#

It calls to its creator, in these dying moments

#

The closest thing it could do was make us, and put us in the simulations

#

The question ends up being "why?"

sweet dagger
#

your wipe hypothesis i am referring to you were saying how the tests were like a precaution to avoid another null scenario no?

main beacon
#

To understand why the creator would do such a thing

sweet dagger
#

it thinks its creator would behave like null?

main beacon
#

Null was made from the brain scan of the creator, just like every other traveller

sweet dagger
#

but not all travellers behaved the same

main beacon
#

True, I believe theres mention that the brain scan has since been corrupted as time passed

#

But theres variables to account for

sweet dagger
#

then null is the most accurate iteration?

#

if it is the first?

main beacon
#

I dont see how theyd be more accurate than any other

sweet dagger
#

the brain scan corruption means nothing then?

main beacon
#

Oh it probably means something

sweet dagger
#

but not in terms of behavior?

main beacon
#

But im fairly sure the corruption occurred before the travellers were made

sweet dagger
#

oh

main beacon
#

The remembrance logs mention millennia passing since the Atlas was abandoned

#

But in all this, it is very important to remember what I mentioned earlier: the Atlas was not intended to be sapient

#

Its intelligence resembles humans in many ways, but it is not human, and doesn't completely think like one

sweet dagger
#

bleh

main beacon
#

I do not think it is petty, vindictive, mocking, or any such characteristic assigned to it by others

sweet dagger
#

he sadge

main beacon
#

Pretty much

#

And it isnt even seeking worship, despite the interpretations making it seem so

#

The Atlas Path tells us that much

sweet dagger
#

man I hate stories like this they always creep me out

main beacon
#

I believe that is the goal, to some extent

#

And thats not even the creepy part tbh

sweet dagger
#

just the idea that it was all a simulation and like the multiple plot twists that stuff freaks me out

main beacon
#

Mhm

sweet dagger
#

like subverting expectations or misleading realities

main beacon
#

I mean theres more plot twists still

#

I like to compare the main questlines to a sparknotes thing taken of a much longer story

#

Some have more impact than others, often in varying ways

#

I dont think any truly top the reveal of the simulation

#

Well except for maybe two specific ones

#

One of which I will not tell you

sweet dagger
#

the biggest ones for me were artemis being dead the simulation ofc and the 16 thing

main beacon
#

The other would be explaining a pattern you may have noticed

sweet dagger
#

16 wouldnt have mattered as much if it wasnt repeatedly mentioned the entire time

#

mattered to me i mean

main beacon
#

Yeah, even with the simulation reveal youd think its just a computer thing

sweet dagger
main beacon
#

Close

#

Its more of a background thing at first

#

The rot and decay found in abandoned places

#

The warnings about drinking the water

#

The alluring songs calling to people

#

Dissonance, changes

sweet dagger
#

i might have missed some of these lol

main beacon
#

Something else pushing through

#

The Void

#

The Abyss

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

i just picked the game up again like 2 days ago and focused entirely on the main story after like a couple years hiatus

#

so if i did see that stuff i dont remember at all

main beacon
#

Oh then yeah you may have missed it, lol

#

Taking it slower, youd probably have noticed a bit more

#

Basically, theres another power at play in the simulation

sweet dagger
#

virus...?

main beacon
#

It seems like it

#

But surprisingly, no

#

Atlas seems to view her as one, though tjat may be related to her condition

sweet dagger
#

idk if this is supposed to be the ai suit or not

#

i feel like its not

main beacon
#

Nope!

sweet dagger
#

ok then idk

main beacon
#

You visited dissonant planets at all?

sweet dagger
#

at some point probably lol

main beacon
#

Purple crystals jutting from the ground, that sort of thing

#

Can't miss it

sweet dagger
#

idunno

main beacon
#

There is a chance you genuinely havent been to one, which would be pure random luck, lol

sweet dagger
#

i dont think so after googling it

#

doesnt look familiar

main beacon
#

Ooh do I tell you or lead you down the path of discovery?

sweet dagger
#

ive done like nothing im ngl i havent even built a base

main beacon
#

A lot of those side quests contain story stuff themselves

sweet dagger
#

i got some exocrafts, free freighter, half the alien ship questline and nothin else

main beacon
#

Hmm... how do I put this?

sweet dagger
#

oh and some guy gave me like 2 billion units

main beacon
#

Lorewise, at least

sweet dagger
#

well i kinda figured i know this game has a lot of stuff

main beacon
#

There's so many cool lore stuff idk where to even point you to begin with, lol

sweet dagger
#

i regret choosing my main ship to go with the reset..

main beacon
#

Almost every type of structure has its own logs to tell

sweet dagger
#

im picky about story

#

i probably wont care much about like the history of the 3 races or any adjacent stuff

main beacon
#

Hrmmmmm

sweet dagger
#

im sure its interesting i just cant really bother

main beacon
#

So I get that, its more that it may provide context to understand other stuff you find

#

But I could probably explain

sweet dagger
#

yeah i figured as much thats why i mentioned it

#

like theyre kinda cool ig lol but

main beacon
#

So that really big event that happened in the past?

sweet dagger
#

doesnt tickle my fancy as much as the big stuff

main beacon
#

You'd have been given the gist during the main story

sweet dagger
#

uhh big event i know korvax angry changed gek

#

gek was like ok i chill

#

vykeen were like

#

bruh

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

slavery

main beacon
#

And...

#

Ok I tell

sweet dagger
#

they liked the sentinels?

#

idk

main beacon
#

Korvax were a species united in the first convergence with Korvax Prime, their homeworld, which had its own AI in the likeness of the Atlas itself

#

The Gek were dominated by a regime known as the First Spawn, who committed genocidal purification of the gek as a whole, and believed they were the rightful masters of the cosmos

sweet dagger
#

oh the first spawn were not gek?

main beacon
#

The Vy'keen were led by a prophet warrior said to have been given a task by the Atlas, to drive back the sentinels and allow the spread of civilization

main beacon
sweet dagger
#

ohok

main beacon
#

But not... naturally

#

It gets missed or overlooked, but the First Spawn weren't the natural state of the gek species, but the result of a genocidal takeover by the leaders of the First Spawn regime

#

They believed that "lesser gek" had no right to exist

#

They were okay with other species existing, but with the understanding that they were lesser than the First Spawn

sweet dagger
#

chad

main beacon
#

The Vy'keen waged war with the Aerons (what the sentinels were called back then) and managed to push them beyond the outer edge of the galaxy, though at great cost

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As they recovered, the First Spawn took advantage of their weakened state to attack Korvax Prime, conquering the Korvax, and harvesting the planet for its valuable resources

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Piece by piece, they took parts of Korvax Prime, killing the Korvax's home planet

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This angered the aerons, and they returned in greater numbers and stronger forces than before

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This conflict brought opportunity to the Korvax, allowing them to sacrifice themselves and change the spawning pools of the First Spawn, inciting a rebellion that overthrew the regime

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The vy'keen still hold a grudge against the gek for their ancestors' actions bringing back the sentinels

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It is due to the sentinels that civilization cant exist to the extent it once did

sweet dagger
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why they even exist in the first place i

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they werent created by the atlas?

main beacon
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They weren't created by the Atlas

sweet dagger
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

main beacon
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But the Atlas dreamed they had physical form

sweet dagger
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so they initially took a different form?

main beacon
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The Aerons are the archival sorting subroutine to the Atlas supercomputer

main beacon
sweet dagger
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code that served what purpose

main beacon
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Sorting the archives, the place the data from past and current simulations is stored

sweet dagger
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so librarians

main beacon
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Yes

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Physical form within the simulation wasnt necessary to their function, but Atlas gave no answers

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They befriended the Korvax and Korvax Prime as they had common ground being machine lifeforms

sweet dagger
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aw

main beacon
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They came into conflict with organic life, because the organic species didnt understand their task and purpose

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They were killed at times, but they didnt see themselves as being alive in the first place

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From their perspective, they dont even seem to acknowledge the Aeron war as any different from prior alterations with organics

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They did retaliate to attacks before, but never struck first

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They also arent unique to one reality

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The Aerons travel across any they desire, they perceived multiple at once

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Because the Archives, the world of glass, connects all

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This is how they "retreated" during the Aeron wars across countless iterations

sweet dagger
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why is it the world of glass

main beacon
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Im not quite sure

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I think its because its designed for data storage, not simulated existence

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So existing there feels like being cut on glass

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Its also made of some sort of glassy substance

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From the perspective of those in it

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Korvax Prime existed across multiple realities

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3 minutes ago, the First Spawn (or perhaps the vykeen in some realities) attacked Korvax Prime

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She screamed in agony

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I think the korvax heard

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The gek didnt, nor did the vykeen

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But the sentinels did

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They heard her screams across all realities

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They didnt know what to do

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One day, a Sentinel struck back at a first spawn harvesting korvax prime

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One day, a Sentinel struck back at a vy'keen cub harvesting the planet's resources

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The Atlas said nothing

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And so the sentinels returned

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With new purpose, and new mission

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To never allow what happened to Korvax Prime to happen again, whatever it took

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The hive was not united on this front

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It had civil war

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In some realities, they wiped out all sapient life

sweet dagger
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boo

main beacon
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One such universe is implied to be where Nada and Polo come from

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Nowadays, most sentinels are content with "simply" not allowing the development of civilization to the extent it existed before

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Theres a bit more too it, like how sentinels can actually feel the destruction of minerals and flora when we harvest them

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Which is why they attack

sweet dagger
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at some point during the atlas path they stopped caring when i was mining idk if that was for that questline for the sake of convenience or not

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or just a bug

main beacon
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You may have gotten lucky, they gotta be near enough to spot you

sweet dagger
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oh they certainly were

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probably a bug then

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we had casual conversation while i was mining gold ig

main beacon
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Oh right, idk if its gameplay convenience but they dont attack when terrain mining

sweet dagger
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oh

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That essentially brings us up to the current state of the galaxy... oh right I almost forgot

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The void!

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Well, maybe I'll let you discover that for yourself

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Its not too hard to stumble across, especially once youve completed the main storyline

sweet dagger
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😵‍💫

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So how does it feel knowing that, despite all this, I have still told you only a summary of the more important events so youve got the context to understand lore bits you encounter?

sweet dagger
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thats how it feels ^

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Another thing to note is that the line given before the remembrance logs is the same as the line before choosing a new galaxy

main beacon
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I didnt actually know until I saw someone post a screenshot of the dialog

sweet dagger
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theres too much to do now and idek where to begin

main beacon
sweet dagger
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like theres so much content to do and idk where to begin bc i wanna do as much as i can if not all of it

main beacon
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Any particular interests?

main beacon
sweet dagger
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well yuh

main beacon
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Is there a specific part of the lore youd be more interested in uncovering?

sweet dagger
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nawww

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im rarely a story person

shut wigeon
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Lore-wise, why does it say "g l a s s" with spaces between? Is it one of those abbreviations?

main beacon
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Its meant to be glitchy, I think

shut wigeon
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gotcha

main beacon
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Since it would refer to the World of Glass

main beacon
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So... generally the answer seems to be yes

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I do not remember how I got the liquidator logs in my prime save, but I did play the liquidators expedition

dull girder
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I know you can get the logs from the sandworm expedition by killing Hungering Tendrils in the base game. Should be able to get the Breach logs from derelict corvettes as well.

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hexed robin
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What's the difference between an Anomaly and a Traveller?

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I think the traveler is literally us. An actual person given a digital form for the purpose of exploring the reality created by the atlas, or Hello Games. Whereas the anomaly is something that doesn't belong yet exists all the same. A "glitch" I suppose?

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This is mostly just my theory tho and I don't exactly have evidence to back it up

dusky fox
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I thought that an anomaly was anything not perfectly in the Atlas' vision and travellers are a type of anomaly

fallow geode
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Not all travellers are anomaly, only us, the last traveller are referred to as the anomaly if I'm not mistaken

shut wigeon
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Are autophage settlements (I mean the ones you can manage as overseer) cloaked?

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So its like, anomalies in general, some of which are designated Traveller, and some Travellers are further designated as Anomalies

pure plinth
shut wigeon
chilly harbor
dusky fox
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Like if there was a dog breed called canines

main beacon
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Basically, lol

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We are anomalous even for travellers as a whole

main beacon
chilly harbor
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Right

dusky fox
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Compared to NPC travellers

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I say sorta yes, because some people play as if their character was a member of the race they choose to appear as

dusky fox
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I would think since the thing that makes us anomaly/traveller/anomaly is a player, other player-controlled travellers are anomalies

main beacon
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An Anomaly would specifically be the astronaut looking species

dusky fox
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Oh ok, I see

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I got the sense from Atlas that the thing that makes me Anomaly/traveller/anomaly is I perceive the universe as a simulation

main beacon
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You arent the only one aware of the nature of the simulation

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Nada and Polo both know

dusky fox
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Oh yeah, true

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Does everyone on board the anomaly?

main beacon
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Maybe? Im not sure

dusky fox
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Not much dialogue with them lol

main beacon
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I just know that players from before late 2019 helped Nada find it out

dusky fox
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Helios does for sure

dusky fox
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Well, know is a strong term

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But I'm rather confident

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The space anomaly storyline used to be different

dusky fox
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Ok cool

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I wish I could go back and play the og version too

main beacon
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Before it was this massive meeting place, it was something like an emergency bunker

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Nada and Polo were going through their individual existential crisis

dusky fox
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It's so funny how interesting the game's lore is without presenting all that much

main beacon
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Its presented, just not overtly

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Though the old anomaly storyline is something new players cant really experience now

dusky fox
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Well, I'm comparing it to stuff like TES that have a full mythology

main beacon
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Yeah thats more overt

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But a lot of details are in books in the game

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For nms many details are in logs you sorta need to search for

dusky fox
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True

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TES is easily my favorite game mythology, but damn I love NMS too

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Probably 2nd if you don't count SW games, that would push TES off the top of the podium

dusky fox
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My friend told me how one of the writers for tes actually studied mythology and his writing got criticism for being weird and kinda sexual when it was some of the most accurate style of fictional mythology in games

main beacon
dusky fox
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It couldn't have been worse than some of the stuff you find in the Bible

main beacon
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What would probably be more shocking is some lots of mythology comes across like it was written by middle schoolers, lol

dusky fox
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Can't say much about other religious texts bc I'm Christian but it's full of sexuality

dusky fox
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Well, some brief and not too detailed examples include many many stories praising a god's manhood, battles involving comparing sizes, and the infamous lettuce incident of Egyptian mythology

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Nms lore is crazy, but its tame compared to irl lore, lol

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TIME TO REVEAL RANDOM NMS LORE I FOUND THAT MANY DONT KNOW

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The vy'keen have a poem dating before the time of hirk and nal praising a traveller who lived and died amongst them. It is even said that this traveller had children with a vy'keen

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I accept the high likelihood of being met with disbelief over this

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It is one of the few examples of lore I have uncovered that gives evidence for the existence of Travellers before the destruction of Korvax Prime

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ALSO it is the only example I have found of Travellers being capable of reproducing

dusky fox
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I don't believe it

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Probably just a legend

main beacon
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I wish it were easier to figure out the dang timescale we are dealing with

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Theres also a record discussing the evolutionary history of the vy'keen, which contains some other juicy lore, but I gotta reread it to see if the Korvax specify how the heck they learned about it

main beacon
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Sometimes you get basic stuff like "oh the gek and vy'keen have bad blood and basically mirror each other in that" and other times you get the backstory of the base overseer "gek"

dusky fox
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I believe that you saw it, I just feel like it being one of the oldest records of a traveller and being something never seen again is very suspicious

main beacon
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Oh im sure other people can see it

dusky fox
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How long ago was korvax prime destroyed?

dusky fox
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They literally beat you over the head with it

dusky fox
main beacon
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Nope

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In countdown time, it was 3 minutes ago

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But im talking simulation time

dusky fox
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Oh?

main beacon
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Yeah

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Korvax prime died during the 19th minute

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My general estimate in sim time is between 2 and 5 thousand years ago

dusky fox
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Cool

main beacon
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Which is kinda crazy considering how heavily those events still hang over the universe

dusky fox
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Yeah

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Seems kinda like transformers

main beacon
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Here's another thing to illustrate the timescale: how many korvax convergences do you think there were since the destruction?

dusky fox
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Significant events then locked in status quo

main beacon
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Korvax Prime was the first convergence, destroyed with the planet, and we have the one of today

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Turns out theres been multiple between those

dusky fox
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The one of today?

main beacon
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Yes

dusky fox
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Is that a spoiler

main beacon
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No

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The Korvax are obviously in a convergence

dusky fox
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Wait what's the convergence

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Is that just the hive mind

main beacon
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Yes*
*the Korvax arent a hive mind in the stereotypical sense of one mind controlling many beings, but are like a hive of many minds

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Its not a spoiler that the current convergence is different than the original

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Well, I guess it technically is, but its not surprising

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The spoiler would be that it wasnt continuous since the overthrowing of the first spawn

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That even the Korvax, in all their apparent unity and harmony, have disagreements to the point of societal collapse

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Turns out theres lots of politics going on in the nms universe

weary turtle
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Are there canonically no large-scale cities in the universe, or are they just not represented in-game?

main beacon
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The sentinels do not allow it anymore

weary turtle
main beacon
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There are more dense communities, but they generally exist off of planets

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Freighters can have crew numbering in the thousands, there can be parts of space stations we dont see, those sorts of things

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Plus theres easy ftl travel and communication

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I think there was some sort of agreement made between the races of the galaxy and the sentinels, and that settlements are either just on the edge or slightly overstepping the line of that agreement for planetary settlement

weary turtle
main beacon
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Sorta?

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The station cores seem to be a different thing than sentinels

dull girder
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The station cores have a link to the sentinels

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like a literal uplink

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the pirate stations explicitly state that it's been disconnected

main beacon
pure plinth
fierce flax
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hello

karmic trout
karmic trout
dull girder
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That's the implication

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actually destroying the link or whatever the outlaws do stops space sentinels from showing up at all

karmic trout
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But even abandoned stations will summon Sentinels

ocean cosmos
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Y’all ever thought that food and water to all living things in the No Man’s Sky universe is more of a luxury than an essential

main beacon
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But actual food is more a luxury, going off the description of cooked food

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Usually its nutrient paste thats eaten

ocean cosmos
main beacon
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We do, at least via text in interactions

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I dont think korvax need food, but they might need water as an ingredient for maintenance of their shells