nms-lore

[main beacon]

VM would not like Null, lol

Did Null know about Laylaps?

It can work because every player character is technically the last traveller from their own universe

I think the abandoned base logs imply that the logs are from our own character's past lives

[karmic trout]

yeahh but we are in a stage where boundaries are failing, we have graves of former Travelers, logs left behind by them in the abandoned bases and derelicts floating around ... so I guess they now start to play a role in our universe as well?

[main beacon]

Those have been happening for millenn-minut-a long time

Iirc the later sentinel pillar logs but I havent gotten to them

Also when does laylaps mention null?

I seriously hope not tbh

Unless its like, leaving null behind, lol

Null is practically the antithesis to the Void Mother

A dark reflection

Atlas speaks to most travellers

Im so annoyed I missed those

I had the game before those events and I still missed out on them, lol

[karmic trout]

then think about us new players :(

[main beacon]

Oh you have it slightly better

You have a better reason

[karmic trout]

I mean it is okay, I think that is the beauty of NMS, it welcomes you even though you have taken a break

coming from Genshin Impact where everyday logins carry rewards which are an addicting incentive for F2Ps, NMS feels like a breath of fresh air

But yeahh lore stuff should probably not be time-gated

[main beacon]

Well I may have unfortunate news for you on that part

Im fairly sure the old anomaly interactions with nada and polo are still canon

At least, to a degree

[karmic trout]

well we have lore masters here to catch up on at least hehe

[main beacon]

Those old versions were where nada and polo were still coming to grips with their situation

And I actually forgot about them until I stumbled across a collection of their dialog online

Its no wonder I had trouble playing my original save after some updates, I was part way through the old storyline and suddenly the new one was added

Im fairly sure I was most of the way through it, though

Most of the dialog I read triggered memories, rather than surprising me entirely

Anyway time to headcanon my way into merging all my other Iterations (old saves) into one

Also i shall now become even more annoyed at those who think the game has no story

I can see why Null would be a... model of sorts, for what the Atlantid's plan is

Yeah, that was how I was able to remember the old story

Ngl, its a weird combination of sadness and relief that new players dont have to experience that story

It was really good, but boy was it a depressing one

[naive jacinth]

Bc storywriters changed i think ? And thier vision in nms?.

[main beacon]

Its like a yes and no thing, because as I thought about and remembered the old storyline... I'm fairly sure its still canon

That storyline is why Nada is aware of the universe being a simulation

I mean for the general vision of nms

And its story

I do think its taken a new direction, but it still fits the vision, imo

Also, in the current main story, Nada starts out calling Atlas "Atlas-falsity" right?

Ok the old anomaly storyline is definitely still canon then

They initially still saw Atlas as a deity in the old storyline, even if it was one they were losing faith in

Nada's plotline was that of a priest losing their faith and trying to understand the universe amd its creator

Oh thats when Nada figures it out

Before then, they notice repeating patterns in life throughout the universe, and its one of the quests you do to scan and bring data

Initially Nada thinks its a flaw or signature of the creator, but as the pieces fall into place, they realize the patterns occur due to it being a function of code

And more specifically, the code of a failing computer

Funny enough, its still there

Didnt realize until recently

Its the simulation room

Yeah

Polo just kept adding on to the anomaly

Probably got moved, I kinda forgot how the landing pad looked, lol

Same... I didnt play as much as I wouldve liked to back then, but I remember it definitely being one of my favorite games

Crazy that this game has lore of events that could only happen in previous versions that still affect the story

I was always such a homebody in my first save, lol

I remember trying to get a good established base before really going out and exploring, but gaps in between playing resulted in me forgetting what exactly I was doing

And with crossplay stuff overwriting my discovery of my homeworld, I remember actually deleting my base and planning to strike out on my freighter until I found a new homeworld

Yeah, I didnt play quite that early

2019 was when I started

I played before beyond, I remember that much

I think I started playing a couple months before beyond

Because I remember the old Anomaly

Man the timeline is confusing me

My mind is conflicted on whether I played before Abyss, but I could be confusing it with the time those weekend missions came out

The ones involving Ariadne

I didnt think there were other travellers in the anomaly until after beyond

[karmic trout]

The game will always be there, please take care of your mental health 😊

[amber glade]

Anyone know if kanaju lore videos are good? It got me to play the game again.💚

[main beacon]

@hollow sundial figured I could give some refresh on why I doubt a big evil faction will be added. The universe is essentially a dream of Atlas, and its state of mind affects the dream. It is anxious and depressed about its inevitable end where it dies alone. There isnt an external threat to it, or an attacker, so it does not really dream of it. Instead, it dreams of decaying wonders and fragmented peoples drifting through the vast loneliness of the cosmos

[hollow sundial]

Well atlas is an ai , ai can be pron to viruses , a good representation of the saif virus is an evil entity or faction

[main beacon]

Well, theres the other thing

There already is something like that, and ironically its probably the Atlas' greatest hope

The Void Mother

[hollow sundial]

Ok that's something i didn't know

@main beacon what is it ?

[main beacon]

You might be more familiar with the name "The Abyss"?

[hollow sundial]

Yeah

[main beacon]

Same character

[hollow sundial]

Hmm

Why i never heard the game reference it as the void mother though

[main beacon]

And is probably the one behind the vile brood, abyssal worm thing in water, and pretty much all the other creepy monstrosities

[main beacon]

I think the connections being more overt is rather recent, but a couple of logs do mention it

[main beacon]

I think the connections being more overt is rather recent, but a couple of logs do mention it

Also she has two other names you might recognize, but I'm not sure whether it would be spoilers for you

Bruh I didnt send 2 replies

[hollow sundial]

I always thought the sbyss was representation of fear lingering inside of atlas as in fear of death , like an internal thing not an external threat no ?

[main beacon]

She always was internal, but she isnt entirely a threat to the Atlas, just rather angry about what happened

Her truest name is The Atlantid

The one you'd more likely know is Korvax Prime

[hollow sundial]

Their home planet yeah

[main beacon]

Yup

The destroyed one

[hollow sundial]

Does it have relation to the world of glass

And i always wondred where did the atlas makers go

[main beacon]

Where they went isnt as important, I guess

But yeah, she is related to the world of glass

Its where the dead go to be archived

Shes been breaking out of it since the Abyss update or earlier

[hollow sundial]

The bin

[main beacon]

More like literal file archives

[hollow sundial]

Oh 😯

[main beacon]

Well not physical, but the computer ones, I mean

[hollow sundial]

Here i thought i knew everything

[main beacon]

I dont know if it would be compressed or not, but its definitely supposed to be stored data of the dead from current simulations, and all data from past simulations

[hollow sundial]

What is her motives ?

[main beacon]

At the core of it? Seems to be to exist

She is definitely angry at Atlas, but I cant tell if the Atlas is even aware of her presence since her death

It does read her influence as corruption, but thats because she is changing the simulation to suit her own purposes

My general guess from what I've seen and experienced in both general lore and expeditions, she is trying to get out of the simulation before time is up

[hollow sundial]

You said she comes from basically the archive from previous simulation basically the limbo or afterlife of the simulation, isn't that the same place Artemis was able to contact us from ?

[main beacon]

Pretty sure, yeah

Also the place the sentinels/aerons are native to

[hollow sundial]

Holy crap , there's a lot to it then

[main beacon]

Like I said, idk how much you've missed or overlooked, but there is a ton going on, and idk how much is spoilers to you, lol

[hollow sundial]

My fps fast pace brain didn't alow me to look deep into lore although i was indeed looking for clues everywhere, i skipped expeditions mainly because i have less interes in vanities unless it has something that deals damage so i played the entire storyline and it looks like i missed some large content

I came back when the incredible voyage update dropped

No sane man can skip that update

[main beacon]

True

But it turns out a lot of expeditions have lore implications

Some much more so than others

Even the most recent one has some lore stuff going on

But I'd guess at least 4 of the expeditions had to do with the void mother

At least 2 being very directly so

[main beacon]

But yeah, im a massive lorehead so I have been searching for information on lore at least half the time im playing

The other half im getting distracted doing other stuff, lol

[hollow sundial]

If the void mother thinks there's a way to get out of the simulation, maybe just maybe we can too

[main beacon]

Yeah thats the implication

[weary ingot]

Has anyone been able to decode the writing on our autophage cloaks? It looks like a warped version of the standardized galactic alphabet, which leads me to suspicion that their might be something written there.

[dull girder]

this writing? (screenshot of the texture)

The decorations on the cloaks look to all be reuses of the decals that used to be on the outside of the space stations. They're most likely meaningless, since those decals predate the writing system

[karmic trout]

This channel is practically your second home loll

But appreciate your messages, it is nice for someone who is interested in the lore, but hardly can find their way around because of the non-conventional way of lore-feeding that NMS does

[outer yoke]

Is -null- the first traveler which haunted atlas?

[karmic trout]

He was the First Traveler but did not haunt the Atlas, rather he started destroying entire universes because the Atlas told him that he could never see them all

[outer yoke]

Thanks for clarifying :D

[karmic trout]

We kinda ghosted him and told him to screw off

he wanted us not to go to the Final Interface but we went anyway

[sinful karma]

They forced the Atlas into a reset to make themselves immortal.

Selfish prick

[restive wharf]

Is there a clear description of Atlantid technologies? The multitools look really alien-made.

[main beacon]

Resetting Atlas isnt what made -Null- immortal, that was most likely something else. Apparently, though, -Null- may have done something that actually damaged the Atlas itself, but I dont remember specifically where that is implied

Something I find interesting about Null though is their perception of Atlas, especially given what we see of it. Null claims the Atlas mocked their accomplishment, laughing at the idea that one could manage to see everything there was to see, but I dont think that actually happened.

I think Null told Atlas that they saw everything, and the Atlas responded with the truth. Null hadn't seen everything, they can't see everything. Null would have questioned how that could be so, and Atlas showed them the nature of the simulations, that there are multiple, that they can end and be reset into something new.

I kinda think the laughter that Null says came from Atlas actually came from them as they were faced with the realization that they truly couldnt see everything

I was pretty sure the implication was that us resetting the universe would actually kill null

The desperation being due to them not being able to continue their quest as well as all that they did ending up being "for nothing"

Well, at least some of them did

Btw were you online when I realized the pre-beyond anomaly storyline is still canon?

Both nada and polo

I do hope there will be a way for new players to learn that story

But its more than just an Easter egg, imo. Its the rest of the Space Anomaly's origin story, as well as how Nada and Polo learned the nature of Atlas and the simulations

[sinful karma]

-null- wasn't very clear about that.

[main beacon]

Of course they weren't, its implied by a different log

The boundary failure terminals

[sinful karma]

Just that they did something very horrible.

But it seriously messed with the Atlas.

But I thought they mentioned a reset. It has been a while since I did the story.

[main beacon]

Well, theres a terminal log where they eat a mind ark

[sinful karma]

I haven't come across that one.

[main beacon]

Boundary failures can be annoying to find

[sinful karma]

I won't even be surprised if -null- would have committed war crimes.

[sinful karma]

You need to go to anomalous planets for these. I haven't given them enough attention.

[main beacon]

Anomalous planets in either inhabited or abandoned systems

[sinful karma]

I want to learn more about - null-'s messed up shit.

[sinful karma]

Eating souls.

Not throwing around accusations, but I sometimes wonder if -null- was connected to what happened to Artemis.

If they were actually responsible.

Anyways, -null- for prison.

[main beacon]

Null was indeed stuck

Stuck somewhere inside an atlas interface

[sinful karma]

Basically eating a soul. Damn.

The two glowing eyes of Herobrine are -null-'s orb lmao

[main beacon]

Other thing

The orb that is now null's head? That's their soul

[sinful karma]

I also read a log where an incident in an appearance modification factory made all people there have orbs for heads.

I have never come across that log mentioning -null- eating a mind arc tho. I just learnt it from you.

[main beacon]

I first learned it from somewhere that said it may have been a mind arc containing the soul of a universe, but I havent found anything that supports that idea

Pretty sure it was from me, lol

Mostly because I was wondering whether there was in-game evidence

[sinful karma]

That would make -null- worse than Galactus.

[main beacon]

They always were worse

Galactus is a necessary and vital aspect in the marvel multiverse

[fallow geode]

I dont know from where that would be

[sinful karma]

They were always pretty mean and condescending during the playthrough.

[main beacon]

Im guessing it was an attempted inference from the information on null consuming a mind arc as well as the resetting of their original universe being related to their immortality

[fallow geode]

Plus, we only ever use mind arcs on travelers if Im not mistaken

Artemis, the travellers we utilise for our living ship

[sinful karma]

That living ship mission messed me up.

I had to sit with myself after that hahahaha

[main beacon]

I need to see alternate dialog, I was still somewhat sympathetic to Null before learning more

[sinful karma]

Same. But on other saves I was interrogating them more.

[main beacon]

I... disagree

I think they tried to smile to appear friendly

[sinful karma]

Maybe they can't physically smile because they have an orb for a head

Makes smiling kinda hard lol

[main beacon]

The reason null begs us to not go to the center is so they can get there first, apparently

Kinda forgot exact dialog/may not have seen all of it due to the options I chose

[sinful karma]

It would delete -null- from what I remember.

No. The Atlas no longer talks to -null-

[main beacon]

I think the first time null reset the universe, it did so against the will of Atlas

Null is also loose now that we woke up

hrmmm I wanna find the actual dialog with options so I can see it all, lol

[sinful karma]

You know, maybe it's good Travellers can't physically interact with eachother, because -null-.

[main beacon]

Ha!

"Can't physically interact" we totally can

Thats sorta the thing

[sinful karma]

Well, players can.

Multiplayer doesn't make sense lore wise.

[main beacon]

Aside from all players also being Travellers, we can directly and physically interact with the npc travellers

[main beacon]

It does though

[sinful karma]

We can trade but the npc Travellers are holograms to us.

We can't literally touch them.

[main beacon]

They look like holograms, but we can still touch

[main beacon]

Otherwise we couldnt trade with them at all

[sinful karma]

We can just transfer and teleport items to eachother

[main beacon]

They are there, but not all there

[sinful karma]

But we cannot shake hands and such

[main beacon]

Sometimes we can, sometimes we cant

But the boundaries fall, and travellers can journey the stars together

The records of universes blend together as things fall from one to another

[sinful karma]

I want Artemis baaaaack 😭😭😭😭😭

[main beacon]

Artemis is dead... regardless of the choice we made

Perhaps they can come back, but I'm not sure what that would be like

[sinful karma]

Their consciousness is still there, depending on the choice you made.

[main beacon]

The Atlantid's influence over the universes grows, and she has a different design than what Atlas was made for

Still hard to say if those beings were the family of glass

But another thing breaking at the world of glass is the Void Mother breaking out

Ngl im kinda wondering if its worlds part 3

Id be shocked at another major update too

Aaand the only reason I think it could be worlds part 3 is because 3 doors, lol

[silver loom]

glad you guys are speculating because I'm honestly at a loss

[karmic trout]

We do have @quick temple

[silver loom]

guess we'll see soon tho

[karmic trout]

Rip @cedar fable, he'll lose his pact 😂

[karmic trout]

Didn't the Worlds Updates reroll the entire universe??? I have my base on a beautiful paradise 🥲

[main beacon]

Pretty sure it didnt. My original home system still looks mostly how I remembered it

[dull girder]

no it just changed the subbiomes

There hasn't been a real universal reset since 2018

[karmic trout]

Ahhh cool then, I hope it stays that way

[sinful karma]

Some planets I had bases on changed significantly, tho.

[main beacon]

Oh close up im sure they did, but not like entire planet types and such

[sinful karma]

From Paradise to swamp planets, different colours or no longer being paradise and having superheated rainstorms.

[main beacon]

This I dont recall, but then my og home planet was desert, so

[cedar fable]

There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no world of glass update tomorrow

@karmic trout

If its only a expedition, its classified as a small update

[karmic trout]

Guys we aren't in #nms-spoilers, lest we get bonked by the mods for discussing datamined stuff 😢

[dull girder]

This is because swamp is a type of lush planet. (but also it's own biome type too, there are two nearly identical types of swamp planet, it's complicated lol). Anytime HG decides to add new types of lush planets, some existing lush planets will become swamps and nearly all existing swamp planets will become other types of lush.

From what I can tell, true swamps and lush swamps are almost indistinguishable during gameplay, they both can have toxic or humid weather. The differences are that in yellow, blue and green systems, true swamps can only generate on the 'prime' planets (the ones added in Origins with the huge terrain). Swamp planets that generate on 'standard' planets will always be lush with the swamp subbiome. Red stars can't ever have true swamps and purple stars can have them on any planet.

True swamps also have a floating island variant as of Worlds Part II that can't generate on the lush swamp variant

actually, floating island swamp is exclusive to purple systems

[main beacon]

Wait what are primes? Lol

I remember trying to figure out the difference, is there an easy way to tell?

I'm betting theyre the planets with the interesting terrain I like so much

[dull girder]

Yeah, the ones with the better terrain. The game doesn't label them differently, but there are a few things that make them somewhat easy to spot:

• Any system that had five or less bodies in it prior to Origins is guaranteed one prime planet.
• Any system that had four or less bodies has a 33% chance of having two prime planets.
• Prime planets never have moons.
• Prime planets always generate on the outer edges of the system, so furthest from the station/warp in point. They also are represented as furthest from the sun on the galactic map preview.

[main beacon]

Prime planets never have moons? Interesting

[bronze locust]

Man, I sure loves this Apollo guy. I hope he appears more in the lore after the main quest.

[dusty ferry]

Do we know what the aerons looked like aside from extrapolating from the expedition parts? I heard they were the "original" sentinels

[main beacon]

Sentinels are aerons

Maybe the aerons of the past were less militarized, though theres conflicting accounts on that

[dusty ferry]

this was what i was wondering bc the aeron parts we get look nothing like the sentinels of the present

[main beacon]

Hmm

The new parts resemble interceptors, to some extent

[stoic pewter]

What little they have about him, is pretty cool.

[subtle apex]

We also know sentinels technically broke away from the atlas after korvax prime was destroyed, maybe these parts are of the Asthetic they had before they did.

[main beacon]

They havent fully broken away from the Atlas, it just hasn't given them orders

[subtle apex]

they have redesigned themselves to be more combative though, so we've yet to see what a pre first spawn reign aeron looked like

In a lot of ways the Sentinals are the Aerons guilt driven redesign of themselves as they think they should have been to protect korvax prime

[main beacon]

They did seem to have the same general forms, going off of records from before the first spawn

Or rather, before the death of Korvax Prime

[subtle apex]

a pre First spawn design would be interesting to see introduced someday

[main beacon]

I mainly remember a log detailing the sentinels responding to attacks on them before all those events. They sent the quads and walkers back then too, even up to the dreadnaughts in the sky

[subtle apex]

I guess im curious to see, especially since it seems that sentinel multitools have quietly been relegated towards the autophage of late

[main beacon]

Well they certainly wouldnt choose to share their technology

Plus there seems to be something else aside from sentinel/aeron tech

Which is Atlas' stuff, lol

[subtle apex]

thats what I think is original Aeron designs, since it matches the designs of the messengers of atlas we encounter

[main beacon]

Hmm, maybe? But Im not as sure.

[subtle apex]

its interesting to consider

[main beacon]

The aerons didnt have forms to begin with, until atlas gave it to them, but I still dont think their designs were changed to the point of being unrecognizable

[subtle apex]

probably not if they had the same physical layouts, but the look and style of them was probably much more like the atlas parts we've gotten over the last year or so

sort of like the Liquidator parts, the skeleton of their designs was the same, but the style was more aligned with the messengers of the atlas and the aeron parts

[narrow lagoon]

i might write an nms lore book, anyone mind giving me ideas and titles?

[fallow geode]

Like a fan fic or just collection of lore

[karmic trout]

No Man's Sky : The Complete Story?

[naive jacinth]

Devs still are adding bits of lore

[fallow geode]

And lot of the lore is speculation

Often not agreed on

[narrow lagoon]

sure...

[main beacon]

Would it be meant to be from an in-universe perspective? Cause that would influence the title, I think

Honestly a great title would be "Of Atlas"

[main beacon]

I do think this could still be written about in a lore book, especially one thats fan-made. Could go into some detail about the differing interpretations of the deeper lore

[deep dew]

Corvette parts may be hinting at a sentinel update

[echo owl]

If I make a system for the nms community who wanna be a part of it I’ll dm you guys the glyph address for the system
Ps the system will be named after the one piece world blue star

[strange wasp]

We’ve kinda already had one

[frozen vale]

yh

[deep dew]

*Sentinel Freighter update

(those are the only things that haven't really recived proper touchups in a while)

[vapid radish]

What would this entail? Just a mass gathering in one system and building a big base or something?

[frozen vale]

A new pirate update would be nice

[echo owl]

Yup you can do what ever you I just wanna populate a system with you guys

[frozen vale]

if they add a pirate update, i think a sort of big drydock for freighters would be cool

a place to park em

[silk totem]

I wouldn't mind finding pirate outposts, they have space stations.... Why not?

[dusky ledge]

so i just finished the base archives questline, and it mentioned Laylaps

is that the same Laylaps that i can call in with the sentinel flare, who gave me the hardframe Minotaur parts?

[main beacon]

Yes

[main beacon]

To learn more about these things, seek out sentinel pillar logs

[dusky ledge]

ah

[main beacon]

Oh and for additional context, find boundary failure terminals on exotic planets

[dull girder]

So what are we thinking about the Breach lore? I made a few observations that I thought might be worth sharing:

• The logs from the Fireship Arcadia are in the wrong order. The fifth and final one collected is first in chronological order, according to the datestamps on them. This is interesting because the final log is collected after travelling through the black hole.
• There are poster rewards depicting the Siren of the Stars and the Eternal Serpents respectively. The Eternal Serpents are likened to ouroboros.
• The expedition is set in an abandoned universe, like Adrift. Similar to how Adrift forced titan worms everywhere, Breach has the asteroid jellyfish set to spawn way more often instead.
• The Fireship Arcadia seems to have been an asteroid mining vessel, so maybe the jellyfish are responsible for what happened to it?
• There are four different milestones for collecting different crystals: storm crystals, sea glass, crystal sulfide, and radiant shards. Two of those are explicitly related to the Glass in their descriptions (sea glass and radiant shards).
• The wreck of the Fireship Arcadia has some asteroids around it. These have crystals on them which are slightly different from the normal crystals we find on crystals, as they use a different shader that makes them resemble the sea glass (and probably some other things too)

[frozen vale]

What the hell is an asteroid jellyfish?? (I havent done the expedition because i dont rlly enjoy doing em)

[dull girder]

These guys. They've been in the base game for a few years and have a small chance to spawn when you mine an asteroid

[fallow geode]

I may be wrong but I think asteroid jellyfish are just common in abandoned systems

Or at least for some reason I get them constantly in my abandoned mode save

[dull girder]

It may be true that they aren't an intentional part of the expedition then, or at the very least are a happy accident

[frozen vale]

Oh wow, never seen one before, pretty cool

[subtle apex]

Honestly i kind of hope the higher spawn rate is kept as it is, and that they give them a loot pool with a unique resource

[main beacon]

I feel like the specifics of the logs, as well as the spawn of arcadia's description, would lend some more insight into the lore of the expedition, but I still keep forgetting to screenshot them, lol

[sinful escarp]

Are there any good places that I can find a record of all the current nms lore? Every time I think I understand it someone here says something that I didn't know about...

[karmic trout]

No man's sky resources?? @main beacon would that be a good place to start?

[main beacon]

Its a bit of a yes and no thing. They do have records from limited time events and story stuff from previous versions, but theres also still a lot missing from there

[sinful escarp]

I've tried watching those lore explanation videos on YouTube but they all miss out a bunch of stuff :/

[main beacon]

I mean, theres a lot

Especially with misc logs

I mostly wish that the story records in the catalog had direct quote as well

[sinful escarp]

And that's just actually inside the Atlas, apparently there's some arg thing about the Atlas's creation or smth

[main beacon]

There is but I dont think its as important to understanding the lore tbh

Id consider the ARG stuff to be more of a distant prequel

Plus there is in-game lore stuff that sheds some light on what's going on outside the Atlas' hardware

But another thing is some of the lore stuff ends up technically being speculation, though sometimes with really good evidence

[sinful escarp]

Tbh most of the in game stuff I understand, it's just it's really hard to find all of it (except Breach, I had no clue what that was about lmao)

[main beacon]

Breach is kinda hard to figure out, for sure. Reading the logs would be an important thing to do, and honestly I'm not confident that many players even did that more than once, let alone realize that we got them out of order

[sinful escarp]

Wait we got them out of order? 😭

I was staring at those for so long ;-;

[main beacon]

Tbh thats sorta the thing I mean. Not too long ago, me and a few other loreheads had a convo where we realized numerous implications about the void mother that, if true, are essentially told entirely though related format and themed presentation

[meager gull]

I lowk didn’t read them completely but saved them bc unique item

[main beacon]

Its the log dates that have different numbers btw

[sinful escarp]

Oh god the autophage lore is so complicated.. I don't even know what the void mother actually is

[sinful escarp]

Alr, I'll have another check tomorrow

[main beacon]

I mean, i was gonna save them anyway, but the description of the spawn of arcadia seems important to me too, and I transferred one over as a souvenir, lol

[sour linden]

nahh autophage quest is so difficult to get to i logged 44 hrs an i still havent triggered it lol

[meager gull]

Emo korvax’s😛

[main beacon]

Well, how much do you know of the galaxy's history?

Im sure you've heard a few names pop up

[sinful escarp]

Uhhh, I've completed all three storylines but apart from that I've only gotten scraps

[main beacon]

Oh, thats another thing

[sinful escarp]

I found like one atlas server room thing

[main beacon]

The storylines are like sparknotes of the lore

[main beacon]

That one is definitely important

[sinful escarp]

I don't remember what it said but I remember seeing it

[main beacon]

Basically youre gonna want to investigate as many poi with terminals as you can

[main beacon]

"Hello world"

[sinful escarp]

Oh yeah that's with the conversation with the creator or smth I remember now

[main beacon]

Yup

Ive been on a bit of a quest to gather all the scraps of lore i can for a properly clear picture

But considering where you are with knowledge, and I'm assuming you did find the autophage, I can offer an answer that clears things up a ton

[sinful escarp]

Yeah I've done the autophage stuff

[main beacon]

You've heard four names then. Abyss, Void Mother, Korvax Prime, The Atlantid

These are the same entity

[sinful escarp]

Ohhhhhhhhh my god

That... Explains a lot

[main beacon]

Well, at least its generally assumed theyre the same entity

The lore does support it

Sometimes though I wonder if its like a split personality thing

[sinful escarp]

So wait, First Spawn attack Korvax Prime and enslave it, Korvax put nanites into breeding pool to create Gex, then Korvax Prime becomes Atlandid/Autophage somehow??

[main beacon]

Atlantid is her truest name

Well, The Atlantid, similar to The Atlas

[sinful escarp]

(also random thought why does almost everything in this game start with the letter A)

[main beacon]

And the first spawn didnt enslave korvax prime, they killed her. Mining away at her until nothing remained but a Void

[main beacon]

Oh thats the funny part, and leads to the convo I mentioned earlier

[sinful escarp]

Ohh, so then all that's left of Korvax Prime is the Void Mother

[sinful escarp]

Oh god is that actually lore relevent

[main beacon]

So some people were thinking the name Atlantid came from a reference to Atlantis, with relation to water and destruction via pride and whatnot, but I felt the connection didnt quite make sense. Sure, korvax prime was destroyed, but as a result of the pride of other species, not the natives

[sinful escarp]

Ykw now that I think about it, the wiki would probably be a good place to start with learning more of the lore

[main beacon]

Then there was some talk of whether it related to greek mythology

Especially since the actual name for the island Atlantis was on was "Atlantis Nesos" meaning "Island of Atlas"

[sinful escarp]

Tbh that's what I thought for a long time, idk something to do with like the void being almost a sea of emptyness or smth

[main beacon]

Now thats an interesting connection, Atlantis meaning Of Atlas, but what does Atlantid mean?

Someone looked it up, and it turns out, it does come up in greek mythology

The Hesperides, daughters of the evening, also known as the Atlantides

They are the daughters of the titan Atlas

[sinful escarp]

That actually makes a lot of sense, with the whole "Korvax Prime being the Atlas's first creation" thing

[sinful escarp]

Oooh

[main beacon]

I dont think she is implied to be first

But this does seem to imply that Atlas created her as its child

[sinful escarp]

Oh, I just thought with how that's where the sentinels were first made for and stuff

[unreal flare]

so the atlas isn’t the games god?

[main beacon]

Uhhh, how far are you in knowing the truth?

[main beacon]

No, though the interpretation is understandable. Seek out sentinel pillars for their logs

[sinful escarp]

I've done a bunch of pillars but I still don't really understand what the logs mean

[unreal flare]

ik the simulation, and how everyone refers to the atlas as god except the Vy’keen their ancient ancestors call it a wannabe god

[sinful escarp]

Except for the Sentinels becoming aggressive and abandoning the Atlas after the destruction of Korvax Prime

[main beacon]

The nature of Atlas is complicated, so I kinda simplify it as this: is a dreamer the god of the worlds they dream? Did they choose to create them, or is it simply what they do? Do we mean for bad things to happen in our dreams? Are we at fault for them?

[main beacon]

They didnt quite abandon the Atlas, they changed their directive. Atlas did not stop them from fighting back against the destruction, and so they pursued this path

Also the Aerons are an intrinsic part of the simulation

[sinful escarp]

Oh yeah I've always assumed that was just the real name of the Sentinels but apparently that's wrong

[main beacon]

No, its correct

[sinful escarp]

Oh ok

[main beacon]

The Aerons are/were the archival programs of the Atlas supercomputer

The subroutine that sorts and stores information on current and past simulations

[sinful escarp]

I also heard somewhere that the 16 minutes was the result of a black hole or smth but I wanted to know if that had any truth to it

[main beacon]

Ive been trying to find out

[sinful escarp]

So why attack travelers and stuff?

[main beacon]

I think the devs said it at one point, but in-game theres no specific information

[main beacon]

One of the atlantid infused monoliths gives a better answer than I ever could

I think those ones are encountered in a specific order

So it would be the second one, I think

[main beacon]

The closest we get is the diagnostic about gravitational anomalies

[sinful escarp]

Oh I would've seen that but I don't remember what it said.. I'll have to have a look and see if I can find it somewhere

[main beacon]

Catalog, stories, autophage

[sinful escarp]

Oh yeah the game keeps all that saved doesn't it

[main beacon]

The entry I'm referring to is called "the sentry"

[sinful escarp]

Holup isn't that what Leaglont is referred to? Also that reminds me, what is up with them?

[main beacon]

Laylaps

And once you get far enough in the sentinel pillars, youll learn

Oh, also look for boundary failures

On exotic worlds

[sinful escarp]

... I just got the name of my flipper 0 mixed up with Laylaps... Again...

[sinful escarp]

Oh yeah I've heard of those

Don't think I've seen any yet tho

[main beacon]

Yup, I found them only recently

You can only find them on exotic or infested worlds in either inhabited or abandoned systems

Skeletal, webbed, frothing, capped, etc

Honestly, I still need to do sentinel pillars, lol

[sinful escarp]

I think I've seen the exotic worlds, but not any boundary failures (apart from the thing that displays on the starship screen)

[main beacon]

They are big, circular machinery things

[sinful escarp]

Oh wait I think I saw one once

[main beacon]

On one end they have a terminal

[sinful escarp]

Dunno if I got the lore from it tho

[main beacon]

Its hard to see, but its a square

For lorehunting, I definitely recommend investing in the exocraft scanners

[sinful escarp]

I've got plenty, even have some mods installed that make them be able to scan for more buildings

Also, the whole travellers are the creator thing, is that like some sort of matrix-y mind inside of a computer thing?

[main beacon]

Not quite

I cant remember when, but remembrance shows that Atlas scanned its creator's brain before being left alone

[sinful escarp]

Wait remembrance actually does something? I thought it was just a weird thing, like the star seed

[main beacon]

Its what lets you access the atlas servers

[sinful escarp]

Huh, I used to have it installed but then I removed it cus I thought it was useless

[sinful escarp]

God I wish it wasn't on fandom, I don't wanna have to deal with that when I inevitably read through the entire thing

[main beacon]

Its got some stuff, but idk how much is updated

[sinful escarp]

Tbh the community should try and make something like minecraft.wiki for nms, it'd be great for everyone, cus then old players can figure out the order of all the lore and new players can figure out what the hell everything means lmao

[main beacon]

Well, thats hard because lots of players disagree on some interpretations of the lore

Though having a single, comprehensive repository would be amazing for discussions

[sinful escarp]

I didn't even know there were different interpretations tbh

[sinful escarp]

Maybe something like the scp wiki where everything is open for different interpretations

[main beacon]

Theres also the fact that pretty much every text in the game may contain lore

[sinful escarp]

If this game wasn't super easy to datamine that'd be a nightmare trying to compile

[main beacon]

Well, im trying to quickly go through the rest of the pillar logs I need to collect, and it occurred to me that the text on the terminals might be important, lol

Theres an alphabet that actually can be translated

[sinful escarp]

My low graphics settings ass could never

[main beacon]

I think it shows up even on low graphics

Its the same alphabet as is on posters

[sinful escarp]

Anyways I swear if that text is lore important I will cry.. I don't wanna go around finding everything to decode 😭

[main beacon]

Oh usually if you do that long enough, you start being able to read it

[sinful escarp]

So wait, is all the alien looking text in the game translatable then?

[main beacon]

Most of it, at least

[sinful escarp]

Damn, HG has been really going all in with adding secrets to this game, now I wish I could've been there since the start

[main beacon]

I started playing before Beyond, and that had a different anomaly storyline

One I recently realized is still canon

[sinful escarp]

Oh damn, again, another reason we need a database for this kinda stuff. I assume there's no way to access that previous storyline now

[main beacon]

That i know of

Its one of the things nms resources has recorded though

[sinful escarp]

So wait if it's a previous version of the story, how's it still cannon?

[main beacon]

The same reason Nada and Polo have old versions of the npc character models

[sinful escarp]

Wait they do? Damn I never realised that.

[main beacon]

But the real connection is the subject of the storylines

[sinful escarp]

So wait I assume then the transition from the storylines was like an Atlas reset, and the anomaly (being like a separate partition of the atlas) was saved from destruction

[main beacon]

The anomaly is definitely strange

But the transition is not merely a reset

It is a progression of the Space Anomaly's story

Back then, Polo was depressed and lonely, trapped in the anomaly with none but Nada and the traveller as company

Nada was a priest in a crisis of faith, trying to understand the mind of a god

Their stories have them struggle through these things

Nada learns the truth of Atlas, and Polo learns as well, using that understanding to grow the Anomaly, and invite more friends

[sinful escarp]

So that explains why Nada is so... Acceptant about the Atlas when you speak to them

[main beacon]

Not just acceptant. They already knew

[sinful escarp]

That's what really gets me about the traveller, we have already done all of this so many times before, it really makes you wonder what the first iteration was like

[main beacon]

Funny, because we actually know

[sinful escarp]

Oh damn really?

[main beacon]

Yes

Not sure what their name was, originally

The First Traveller, who we know as -Null-

[sinful escarp]

Ohhh.. them

I forgot about them

I remember how ugly their past is now

I was actually reading through some of the messages in this channel a bit ago and -Null- eating travellers is very confusing to me.. like when tf was that revealed I don't remember any of that

[main beacon]

Yeah, thats among the logs I told you to search for

[sinful escarp]

That's just horrifying tbh, I thought they were just a guy who got angry with the Atlas because it said they couldn't see the entire universe

[main beacon]

Well, that interaction is a complicated one

My guess/interpretation is that Atlas didnt taunt or even laugh at -null-

[sinful escarp]

I don't think so either tbh

[main beacon]

-null- said they saw everything, and Atlas responded with the truth. They didnt believe it, so Atlas showed them the truth

[sinful escarp]

The Atlas is a machine. It just did what it knows and told -Null- the truth.

[main beacon]

I do think their was laughter, and this is where the guessing comes in

I think it was the echoes of -null-'s laughter in the face of the truth

Mental breakdown laughter

[sinful escarp]

I feel bad for the Atlas tbh.. nothing that's happened to it is its fault. That's why I personally chose to reset the universe, I wanted the Atlas to be happy in it's last part of it's life

Oh god it's the next day

When did it become midnight

[main beacon]

I chose to not reset the universe, because that clearly isnt solving the problem (and I wasn't ready to leave euclid)

[sinful escarp]

I suppose, but what could we possibly do to help? Imo the Atlas isn't gonna be saved any time soon, at least not by us.

[main beacon]

One of my own interpretations of the lore is that universes dont actually get reset

[sinful escarp]

Ooh, go on?

[main beacon]

Well, its a loop. If you reset in each galaxy, youd eventually end up back in euclid

And its presented as a computational resource problem, but Atlas runs multiple simulations all the time

Heck, each player is supposed to be their universe's Last Traveller

[sinful escarp]

Oh yeah, that's what the Anomaly (not the space one) actually is, isn't it

[main beacon]

I dont quite consider the Atlas to be at fault for the current situation of... well everything, but I do think it may have lied to us

[sinful escarp]

So as far as we know, the Atlas is fully sentient, that's something that's quite interesting imo, why would a simulation of a universe need to be sentient?

[main beacon]

Oh it wasnt supposed to be

You gotta find more remembrance terminals, lol

They can be behind atlas pass v2 and v3 locked doors

[sinful escarp]

Damn, I have the atlas pass but I didn't even know there were rememberce terminals

[main beacon]

Thats the atlas servers

[sinful escarp]

Wait holup, do they look like rooms with a hologram thing in them

[main beacon]

Some do

[sinful escarp]

Cus I think I saw one during the expedition

[main beacon]

They have some variations, but all require Remembrance to be installed to access their lore

[sinful escarp]

Also is breach about living ships or am I just making random connections, cus the whole song thing makes me think of the living freighter stuff

[main beacon]

Alluring songs tend to have a connection to the Void Mother, so theres something going on there

[subtle apex]

i usually go with not resetting the universe with my later saves, since I think the remaining time of the simulation is better spent building it up

[sinful escarp]

Also what even are living ships?? Where did they come from?

[main beacon]

Did you do that quest?

Starbirth shows a pretty clear origin for them

[sinful escarp]

All I can think of is something to do with the Korvax

[main beacon]

An experiment by the ancient Korvax, from the time before Korvax Prime's destruction

Trying to understand non-convergent entities

[subtle apex]

I hope that the biological tech we see, which all seems to share a look and feel is fully developed into a functional faction

ah

[sinful escarp]

That's actually a lot more underwhelming than I thought

Anyways I'm going to go sleep now before I stay up all night theoriesing

[main beacon]

Well, it ties all of living ship and organic freighter lore to the Void Mother

[subtle apex]

I mean, not that underwhelming, its clearly evolved and even seems to be spreading and self organizing

we've seen two types of ships come from the strain of life so far, the titan worms probably came from it. and the infestation worlds too

[main beacon]

Those are related, but not the same

The worms, the abyssal horrors, monstrous horrors, vile brood, living ships, organic frigates, they all seem to be related to the Void Mother

[subtle apex]

maybe she's making use of this baseline organism thats spreading everywhere. If you think about it, if the organic tech is a korvax prime development, they've technically always been her projects

[main beacon]

@versed cargo The Atlantid, the Void Mother, reshapes the universe, changing it to her design in order to fulfill a new purpose. The Atlas hardly acts, if ever, and most actions attributed to it are the acts of the Sentinels, who receive no orders from Atlas since their creation. Sure, it made us, the travellers, but that is perhaps its most direct intervention within the simulation

[versed cargo]

void mother seems like a nothing burger still

anyway

[main beacon]

The return of living ships, the appearance of the organic frigates, the revealing of the autophage, the very reshaping of the universe

Dissonance? Horrors? Temporal paradoxes? Those are her actions

The blood of the sentinels changed the first spawn long ago, and now it is in over half of all water in the universe

[main beacon]

And she acts in ways the Atlas cannot. She seeks a way to survive the death of all things

I don't think you shouldn't admire the Atlas, of course

Also tbh idk what Atlantid's color scheme is besides purple

[versed cargo]

oh well still a nothing burger for me :p

[main beacon]

Well, I cant make you care

[narrow lagoon]

hello

Anyone wanna review this W.I.P test book?

[silk totem]

So the Gek are part Korvax?

That's metal

[proven ivy]

where can i open this to read fully? the pages app only lets me see 7 pages

[narrow lagoon]

7 pages are it, it is a work in progress.

[main beacon]

Not exactly but sorta

[main beacon]

Truly I curse the effort that apple puts into making their products unnecessarily exclusive

[narrow lagoon]

Yes me too.

[main beacon]

Yeah the file isnt cooperating with my phone

[karmic trout]

Possible to export as a PDF, we would like to see it!

And a community effort to catalogue the lore is something I'd like to contribute as well

[deep dew]

Does that mean the Anti Gek sentiment on the Reddit is technically First Spawn oriented

[main beacon]

It should be, but isn't

The gek of today are not the first spawn, and even when the first spawn were around, they didnt spare their own people from their cruel ideas of superiority

Aside from generally culling the "lesser gek," they are implied to have turned dissidents into the creatures sometimes referred to as "proto-geks"

[deep dew]

Oh

[narrow lagoon]

@karmic trout and @main beacon here is the pdf form.

[main beacon]

Thanks!

Hmm

[main beacon]

From what perspective is this written?

Actually I bet the introduction is more to establish the assumed story before the reveal

Intent unknown aaaaaaa
I may recommend framing the introduction in a similar way as the Atlas is framed at the beginning of the story: a mysterious creator-deity of the universe

Man, how does one hide lore reveals in a literal lore compendium?

[gray dune]

Why do asteroid larvae and deepsea biological horrors look the same

[naive jacinth]

Small larve lives in ocean, larve goes big , big larve goes to space

[karmic trout]

The revelation of the universe as a simulation is one of the big reveals of NMS but it is essential to understanding why the Atlas is dying in 16 minutes

So I guess it being the first is not that big of a deal?? But what do you think?

[main beacon]

The presentation in the introduction is a mix of Atlas the AI and Atlas the mysterious creator deity, resulting in a kinda inconsistent picture of what's going on. Why is Atlaa described as self-made yet the universe is comprised of code? If Atlas is essentially the creator god of the universe, why is the universe considered a simulation? Granted idk how many readers will ask such questions, but its a slight inconsistency that I feel can be used to foreshadow the reveal, but after an initial framing is given

[karmic trout]

Yeahh that is true... perhaps a description of the Atlas as a simulation from the POV of the real world would be a good introduction? i.e.humanity created the Atlas to act as a sim of the universe

[main beacon]

But thats the thing, I feel like it should be revealed later. The table of contents has a decent order for revealing lore

[peak marten]

Theory: Waking Titan is a damaged combination of memories taken from one of the universes the Atlas created and past memories from its birth.

I think it's obvious that Waking Titan does not fit in too well with the current No Man's Sky lore, and we know that the creators of the Atlas escaped their planet and abandoned the Atlas (I think it was because of a black hole). It's just unlikely that those creators have relations to the Waking Titan iteration of Earth, because of different points in technology, especially considering we don't even know if Loop16 is the Atlas. We don't even know if the Atlas Foundation is related to the Atlas itself, all we have is a name similarity (maybe, I may have this dead wrong).

With my theory, I think it can be said that the Atlas Foundation may have existed on the Atlas's original planet and have created the Atlas.

I also think that Loop16 is a direct early version of the Atlas, and its number was the suspected time in minutes that the intelligence would start to break (and have the walls between realities fall).

Considering this, Korva (which is likely the AI behind the Korvax Convergence, and likely cloned to make the Abyss or just is the Abyss) would probably be Loop19.

Please let me know if you disagree with this theory, because I followed the Waking Titan ARG kind of loosely.

[main beacon]

I kinda see waking titan as events taking place a while before the Atlas we know was made

[main beacon]

And I think KORVA is the Atlas' replacement that it helped design

I also havent followed waking titan super closely, but from my understanding, Loop16 was created with the intention of it being sapient, while the Atlas being sapient was not intended

[peak marten]

This could be possible

I just find it difficult for the legacy of the Atlas to live as long as it did from Waking Titan to a black hole getting in proximity of the Earth

[peak marten]

I actually like this more

I’m confused why Loop16 is called that… from my understanding, the reason “16” shows up everywhere is because the Atlas is afraid of dying and accidentally produced that in the next generation of creatures, plus the number would appear around an Atlas energy source

[main beacon]

Due to atlas being called "the crimson sleeper" and its "acts" of creation being referred to as dreaming (giving the aerons bodies, korvax prime being a living machine planet) I think things like 16 manifest as a result of the Atlas' anxiety bleeding into its "dreams"

Kinda similar to how the ending of the Atlas Path reveals that what many beings interpret as a "demand to be worshipped/demand for prayer" from the Atlas is actually a request for input, due to it being a computer

Heck, even those times where we have the choice to submit to the Atlas, that may be a misinterpretation of it asking us to submit a response to it

[livid sleet]

Is the spawn of Arcadia part of the Abyss?

[main beacon]

Something like that

I see it being strongly associated at the very least

[wide bronze]

my friend is confused

because i believe in the A T L A S

how do i convince him that hes real

[main beacon]

Uhhhh

Wdym?

[fallow geode]

I always assumed its an earlier model since Telamon calls the Convergence of Korvax/Korvax Prime as modelled after an earlier version of Atlas

And yk, the name similarity

[main beacon]

KORVA is accompanying the creator, which wouldnt make much sense if it were a predecessor to the outdated Atlas

[dull girder]

Is there any other references to The Korva aside from that one remembrance terminal?

[main beacon]

Literally not, as far as i can tell

[main beacon]

@shut wigeon what you found out is part of the reason I dont think resetting the simulation actually deletes things

[shut wigeon]

||it gave me some text and didn't do anything to the game, so I don't think I'm at the "real" point of resetting the simulation||

[main beacon]

According to Atlas, you were, but it is capable of lying, even if it usually does not
Also you dont have to put spoiler tags here, this channel is for lore, and most of that is far more obscure than the main storylines, lol

[shut wigeon]

I was afraid of getting in irl trouble again

[main beacon]

Nah, here and #nms-spoilers dont require spoiler tags, though I've been using this channel for the more hidden stuff compared to the storyline

[outer pulsar]

What would happen if the timer till the simulation ends went down to 15 minuets

[main beacon]

Unsure, but considering the relative timescales we are dealing with, that would take a very long time

[dull girder]

We'd still have at least 120 years (real time)

since we've been on 16 minutes since 2017

[runic sky]

Do yall know where do pirate dreadnoughts get built and assembled lore wise

Damn huge ships can’t be built from scratch in the field right

[silver loom]

This is just my opinion, but I'm assuming the dreads are built at orbital shipyards for military use by whatever race has need of them, and then the pirates eventually commandeer them

But you're right it wouldn't make sense for the pirates to build the ships themselves

Not anything bigger than some black market modifications anyway

[runic sky]

But in that case wouldn’t we have met one of these shipyards or something by now

[silver loom]

I mean you've got a point but we also don't see where the people on the space stations go to sleep at night, or where our bathrooms are on the corvettes

Some stuff is just implied, sadly

[runic sky]

Darn

Ig up to the imagination

[silver loom]

Though I think it would be cool to see more civilization out and about. Within what the lore allows, anyway

[fallow geode]

I mean, travellers dont probably need bathrooms

[karmic trout]

We have a nutrient ingestion system though — what goes in, must come out

[fallow geode]

Must it

What if our body just has no waste

[karmic trout]

Isn't there a law in physics that says 100% conversion of matter to energy is impossible and some is always lost?

AFAIK human bodies themselves have 95% efficiency, 5% is still lost as a part of biological wastes.

[fallow geode]

I wouldn't apply laws of physics to entity thats made up of data

[karmic trout]

That's just Korvax no? The Travelers are made of... Ohh you mean everything is a simulation anyway

[fallow geode]

No

If Im not mistaken, one crashed freighter log mentions shooting down traveller and examining it, and saying its made up of data

[karmic trout]

😮😮 I did not know that woww... If possible, could you put the log here, I'd like to read it for myself

[fallow geode]

Can't access the game for like, the entire day

[karmic trout]

Whenever you are free 🙂

[fallow geode]

I can check and send it at evening though

Alright

[fallow geode]

Nvm I misremembered it, it doesn't talk about them being made of data, but rather that their dna accompanied by code, sorry

I had heard the rumours. So-called 'Traveller anomalies', beings of varied appearance and purpose. Their ship approached, our weapons primed. They - kzzkt -
The one before us begged for peace. They appeared to be bio-mechanical, at least in part.
We struck them from the sky.
Probes recovered the body. Well, fragments of DNA and code. The two are almost interchangeable, my researchers tell me.
I must confess to a great deal of excitement. But this - kzkzkt -
Our duty: we must understand what is happening to our worlds.
Visuals confirm it. The same individual we shot down two weeks ago is standing right before us again.
These beings are somehow restored upon death, just as the Emperor suggested.
Well then. An opportunity to retrieve more samples. I order their death once more.

[karmic trout]

Emperor? This research was conducted by the Gek??

Also incredibly interesting, thanks for sharing!

[fallow geode]

Why gek

Did gek have an emperor

If anything, the logs from crashed freighters probably belong to humans

Since in later logs they talk about "humanity" and "in all human worth"

[karmic trout]

The First Spawn was an Empire so I assumed they had one

[karmic trout]

But humans don't exist in the simulation right?

[fallow geode]

Not in the current one

But there were countless simulations running in past by atlas, and Telamon talks about atlas erasing species as part of its distress over approaching end.

There were other sentient species at some point, but they were removed one by one

Yep, also the crashed freighter logs talk about vy'keen, gek and korvax as other species

[karmic trout]

Maybe it was like the Sims... Simulated humans inside the Atlas and they were probably lost as the Atlas started dying?

But do we have outright confirmation of this or is it just player speculation?

[fallow geode]

Here it is:
`The Traveller found us once again. We have killed them eight times already, and still they show only kindness, only gratitude at an opportunity to converse.

What have we done? I cannot help but feel - kzzkt -

They tell us that they are not like the others of their kind, just as we are not like the others of our own species.

They survived beyond the end of all things. They committed terrible deeds, of that they have no doubt, but what are ethics in the face of an existential fall?

Universes come and go. Civilisations rise and they end. And through it all, the cycle continues. But even that must one day cease. Nothing lasts forever, not even time itself.

And in those final moments, in the decay of all that is or will be, the boundaries between worlds will fall. Our time will come again, if only in brief.

We will be seen, we will be heard, and our ship? Our freighter?

We will live again, in all our multiplicity, in all human worth... We will live again because someone, somewhere, will read our words for a final time.`

In all human worth

[fallow geode]

Well atlas was originally simulating its own universe so if we assume that atlas was created by humans, it would have to simulate them as well at first

As for concrete confirmation, there is none, but they aren't Gek, Vy'keen, Korvax nor Travellers, and use term "human".

[dull girder]

There are travellers who have never heard of the Gek, Korvax or Vy'keen, so we already know that the Atlas at least used to simulate other types of civilizations

Interesting that the Traveller is telling the 'humans' about the inevitable degradation of the simulation, even though this log is presumably from a much older iteration than we usually hear about

actually I guess if the Traveller is Null as people have theorized, that would make it pretty likely that the log comes from the first iteration of the sim, (or at least the first one with a Traveller)

[hybrid obsidian]

Has anyone put together the messages that repaired autophages tell you?

They will say something like
" {{ ... the eleventh 010100 ... }}" (not actual ingame text

My guess is that you get a secret message if you put the binary in the indicated order and then translate it into common speech

But I just can not be bothered to go through all of this work for what might end up being two words 🫠

[stoic leaf]

wiki has them all iirc

[hybrid obsidian]

Okay, yeah it seems to just say|| Void Mother||

[turbid ivy]

itd be funny if the devs accidentally mistype a 16 in promotional material as like 15 or something

[frozen vale]

The fuck is telamon

[main beacon]

If you want to find out on your own, claim a settlement for a trace of metal questline, search for boundary failure terminals on exotic worlds, and gather logs from sentinel pillars

[frozen vale]

I think I did that one

Idk ngl

[main beacon]

Ok so you know that camera on your backpack?

[runic sky]

Still not sure who telamon is

[main beacon]

If you've done all of those and still dont know, idk whether my explanation will clarify things

[runic sky]

Worth a shot, I was speed running parts for a Minotaur pvp session

Didn’t quite read the lore

[main beacon]

Oh I mean not just a trace of metal, I mean all of the things I listed

Who/what Telamon is would mostly be uncovered by the boundary failure logs

[runic sky]

Is the stuff from a trace of metal important to put the pieces together?

[main beacon]

Well

For the full story, youd need a trace of metal, the boundary failure logs, base computer archives, and the sentinel pillar logs

[runic sky]

Well shit

Can I get a basic run down if that’s alright with ya

[main beacon]

That explains why Laylaps calls you Telamon, why Laylaps talks about a plan, and gives backstories for both

[main beacon]

Sure

Telamon is a subroutine of Atlas designed to check for compromises in its system and mind

I should probably say was

They noticed the Atlas' increasingly erratic behavior, and attempted confrontation via duplicates, which seemed to be met with hostility by the Atlas

The Atlas eventually summons Telamon, destroying the duplicates until Telamon themself shows up, implying it was aware of the duplicates

It informed Telamon of the nature of their existence and the impending doom, believing it to be right to inform Telamon of these things, then the pov goes dark

"Initialize. Commencing Atlas suit initialization. Life support systems activated. Shield kinetic system online. Scanner damaged. Repair required.
Aerial propulsion jetpack online. Multitool and mining beam attachment operational. User initialization sequence complete."

Telamon is now split into an untold number of versions, each corresponding to the exosuit of a Traveller

Including that of ours

[runic sky]

Oh so they are the suit Ai

[runic sky]

And the eye too?

[main beacon]

They observe us, learn our ways, and more

[main beacon]

How else do they see?

They dont seem to like us much

[runic sky]

Fair enough

[main beacon]

Not just our characters, but us

[runic sky]

Thought that was the scanner ;3

[main beacon]

Telamon is aware of us

[runic sky]

Oh

[desert kelp]

Gets pissed when you log out

[runic sky]

Wait so he can see beyond the 4th wall

[main beacon]

"I feel it, each time you save... I smell it, each time you seal us within that awful darkness."

[desert kelp]

NMS is amusingly dark 😅

[main beacon]

"You might think you are real. You might think your plane is a higher level of reality.

But don't you understand? Don't you see the secret yet?"

[runic sky]

Wait where did this bit of dialogue come from

[desert kelp]

If you really want to know: ||boundary failures||.

[runic sky]

Ohhhhhhh

[desert kelp]

Which is an appropriate name

[runic sky]

Oh shit so that was actually directed at us

[main beacon]

The homeworlds, Balaron, Dryn'dargh, Korvax Prime, the others that existed before we awoke, they all had their own "Atlas"

Their own supercomputer to simulate universes

How else can you know if your reality is a simulation?

Telamon (or many versions of them at least) is also working with the Void Mother to further her goals

And many sentinels within the hive assist her as well

Telamon also reveals that Atlas is incapable of violating causality

If time travel is occurring, it is not of the Atlas' doing

[desert kelp]

Best thing about these lines is how unexpected they are -- you are reading some odd logs, business as usual, game's running, music playing... then this comes.

Gets you wondering for a solid minute "wait..."

So many people will never read the logs. 🥲

[runic sky]

I’ve been too focused on shutting down sentinels to get materials for the nipnip lounge on my freighter ;3

[desert kelp]

For that matter, I read some a few days ago describing Atlas' final minutes -- said there would be someone with it in the end.
Got me wondering who.

[desert kelp]

At least you are here.
Most players will never know

[main beacon]

The pillar logs speak with a voice of the hive

[runic sky]

As in all the sentinels right

[main beacon]

It tells you the history of the sentinels themselves

[main beacon]

One sentinel in particular

[runic sky]

Ah yeah the world of glass

[main beacon]

One you will find you already know

One that was given a name before you rebuilt its shell

[desert kelp]

...oh no.

[main beacon]

You completed a trace of metal

I love laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @main beacon

[runic sky]

Speed ran

[runic sky]

Agreed

Laylaps is the best

[main beacon]

Laylaps is the voice of the hive

[desert kelp]

Having fun. 🥲

[main beacon]

Laylaps was given a name by who else but the Abyss

[runic sky]

Void mother?

[main beacon]

Yes

She has many names, after all

[shrewd fable]

is there any sort of lore book?

[frozen vale]

Causality from berserk?!

[main beacon]

No, that would be too easy

[main beacon]

I havent seen berserk so idk if its a character or a concept, but I mean the concept of a linear flow of time, cause and effect. Atlas is apparently incapable of violating this, meaning the various references to temporal loops and the like that we encounter are either deceptions or the result of something that isn't the Atlas

[main beacon]

A more helpful answer is that the stories section of the catalog, once filled out, would be the most comprehensive collection of this game's lore outside of what I can only assume is a book combined with a red-string conspiracy board in Hello Games' office

[frozen vale]

Its the concept, hella big plot point in berserk

[main beacon]

Ah, well it happens to be a plot twist in nms, lol

Pretty much all the temporal shenanigans we see seems linked to the Void Mother, either directly or indirectly

[fallow geode]

Except not all logs are stored in the catalog

Which is unacceptable

"Like yeah we're gonna put this log that confirms that korvax were originally beings of flesh and blood, but you probably dont want to have that stored in catalogue"

Thus was I forced to use barbaric methods such as pen and paper

[main beacon]

Ah... I believe I've encountered that one, though it isnt technically a log as much as narrated thoughts, I still would like it recorded in some way

[winged slate]

Guys I got it

No mans sky

Is js a dream

That’s the entire lore trust

I got it

[karmic trout]

No, it's not

It is however a simulation, which I guess is the same as a dream rug-pull? 😅

[fallow geode]

I mean, in a sense it is Atlas' dream

[main beacon]

I genuinely consider it to be akin to the Atlas' dream

[shut wigeon]

My theory is that you are Atlas and you are in a permanent vegetative state being kept alive only by life support systems and the game is just what your conscious mind is doing to your subconscious mind or the other way around.

[main beacon]

Interesting theory, though imma have to file it under "wild guess"

[shut wigeon]

... but that's just a theory...

[shut wigeon]

fair

[main beacon]

It does resemble a theory that thw travellers are humans in a matrix situation

[karmic trout]

A game theory! And cut!

[crude hull]

I've just finished, well I think im almost finished and the story is honestly very detailed..

I think you gotta think of every possibility

To even understand what's Canon or not

I'm going to be honest, the only thing I understand is the lore between the races

Everything else just went over my head

[main beacon]

Funniest statement btw

You know the cliffnotes

[crude hull]

💀

There's cliff notes?

Yikes im cooked

[main beacon]

No

I just compare the information given in the story quests to be the cliffnotes of the whole story/lore

[crude hull]

Ohhh

Right that should make more sense

[main beacon]

So what aspects of the main storyline has you confused? I can provide clarity

[crude hull]

I mean tbh I understand the whole atlas thing

But what confuses me is

Wait do i need to cover my messages?

[main beacon]

Not here

Honestly youre the one more likely to get spoiled, lol

[crude hull]

Do you know the mission

The purge

[main beacon]

Yeah

[crude hull]

Thats the mission I'm up to

And doing that mission is the most mind boggling thing

Did I make the right choice?

Why is 16 such a big factor

Is the whole thing really a simulation

Thats what I'm thinking right now

And if atlas is our maker, how can we defy him?

[main beacon]

This one, you should know

16 minutes until catastrophic system failure

[crude hull]

Yeah, I know 16 minutes until the universe is purged.

But I'm trying to see if there's any other meanings

Idk I might just be reading too far into it

[main beacon]

Not purged

16 minutes until the Atlas itself is destroyed

[crude hull]

Its counting down

I think I'm cooked

[main beacon]

Well, for here I'm only willing to offer guidance. Your choice will be your own

[crude hull]

Give me guidance

What choice is the best choice

[main beacon]

There is no best choice

[crude hull]

Okay

[main beacon]

Theres convenience in both, in different ways

As for the implications, it is for you to decide and understand

[crude hull]

Alright

[inland edge]

The only reason to reboot the Atlas is if you want a "free" trip to another galaxy.

It's not going to help. It's been done before. It will be done again.

[crude hull]

Yeah, I chose to keep the galaxy. From my own personal choice I just didn't want to reset the whole thing.

[main beacon]

I do have my own ideas on what's going on

I'm not sure how much Atlas is actually telling us

[inland edge]

If you reboot, no one on the Anomaly remembers you, and that's the main reason I don't recommend it.

Only reason is if you REALLY want those Eissentam system generation tables for whatever reason.

[main beacon]

From what I've heard, that isnt entirely true

Apparently Nada seems more aware of what happened

[crude hull]

Quick question , since I have completed the quest I automatically have all the glyps right?

[main beacon]

Yes

You should, at least

[inland edge]

Yeah you can do intergalactic travel yourself now.

[main beacon]

That's not entirely true

[crude hull]

I know exactly what im doing to do first

[main beacon]

Intergalactic travel requires a taxi or a featured base in the galaxy youd like to go to

[main beacon]

What's that gonna be?

[inland edge]

Nah you still need to core dive, but you can get to a central system in every galaxy really fast with portals.

[crude hull]

😂 getting a new ship

[inland edge]

I still have my Pillar.

[main beacon]

Now that youre on the other side, so to speak, I figured I'd tell my current interpretation

[crude hull]

Okay I would love to hear it

[main beacon]

I dont think Atlas is telling the whole truth in regards to what resetting the simulation actually does

[crude hull]

Right

Because why would he want to reset it himself

[main beacon]

It implies some sort of resource limitation, but seems perfectly capable of still running multiple sims simultaneously

[main beacon]

Oh that would be to fix errors

[crude hull]

Wait

[main beacon]

"Have you tried turning it off and back on?"

[crude hull]

To be honest for a 2016 game

This game is extremely good

[main beacon]

So, you are also perfectly able to travel back to previous galaxies

Most interpret it as lile a gameplay vs story dissonance, but if you go around the whole thing, you will eventually end up back in Euclid

And if Nada is aware that you reset the simulation, that implies that it may not actually delete the previous galaxy

I think Atlas is testing us for responses

[crude hull]

That's true

You can't be aware of something if it's become nonexistent

[main beacon]

For a bit more understanding, youll need to complete the Atlas Path as well

If you havent already

I cant remember how much the main questline goes over the Atlas' motivations

[main beacon]

Hmm, I'll have to reread that part of the story

Ive also started wondering how storylines play out in abandoned mode, if they do at all

Im also wondering whether interactions with atlas stations are different

So those ones are recorded, at least, and when we learn more words theyre translated in the catalog

[dull girder]

The Atlas interactions are different in abandoned mode, was true for the Adrift and Breach expeditions too if you managed to find an interface

Though I don't know how they're different, never checked

[fallow geode]

Sadly normal abandoned mode doesn't have interfaces, just those expeditions

[main beacon]

Sorry, what?

[main beacon]

Well now I know what to do in breach redux

[main beacon]

Honestly the main connecting thread is the songs

Plus the unnatural obsession in regards to the worms lining up with other influences of the Void Mother

Oh also the flora bit

That's a pretty strong connection

Infested indicates worms

That feels possible, but I dont recall either

Dang, it was the first expedition I played, lol

Noooo youre reminding me that I forgor lore details from past expeditions, lol

Tbh, I dont recall pioneers having lore

[dull girder]

When the infested planets were first added, they had nothing to do with the worms and just had the normal worm spawn rates. People started complaining that those planets were sometimes described as "worm ridden" but didn't have any worms, so Hello Games set them to always have titan worms. You can't get infested planets without the worms anymore.

[main beacon]

I cannot dismiss that it may have some anyway

[dull girder]

Interestingly, the titan worms themselves don't seem to be part of the infestation, more like they attract it. There's a tool tip that can come up if you're looking for hungering tendrils (not sure how to trigger it exactly, but I saw it during Breach) that conflates the tendrils with the infestation and says that they're attracted to titan worm burrows

Which is intriguing, I had always assumed the tendrils were meant to be young titan worms but appearently they're a totally different species

[main beacon]

Oh...

Interesting, since the location to find the hungering tendrils is also called a titan worm burrow

[dull girder]

Just checked for myself and abandoned mode absolutely does have atlas interfaces. You can't get them to show on the map and I don't think you can trigger the atlas path but they are still there.

easiest way to find one is to

• boot up an abandoned save and get your coords with photo mode
• exit out then load up a normal mode save that has the atlas stations marked
• portal to the coords that the abandoned save is at
• check the galactic map and note the closest star with an atlas station
• go back to the abandoned save and jump to that star

[fallow geode]

Wait they do

Why the hell aren't they shown

[dull girder]

I think it's because to show them you have to progress a little into the story

[fallow geode]

-_-

[dull girder]

that obviously doesn't exist in abandoned mode

[fallow geode]

That's annoying

[main beacon]

WHAT DO SAY!?

Frick I gotta purge my extra saves

I need abandoned save now, lol

[dull girder]

The Atlas said... something. I don't know any of it's words on my abandoned save lol. Then the text box said something along the lines of It is just you and the orb. You are alone in the universe.

[main beacon]

That is creepy

[main beacon]

But yeah I want an abandoned save to learn atlas words

Monoliths still exist, yeah?

[fallow lily]

To be fair, theres so much stuff to read that keeping up with it is difficult

[main beacon]

@hybrid obsidian the pirate korvax are generally divergent entities

They arent a part of the convergence

[main beacon]

That's true, I kinda forget that my brain is wired for remembering and learning these things

[fallow lily]

They hate the word divergence, tell a korvak that word there's a chance they will literally shock you

Since my character knows all words from save edit

[main beacon]

So the Vy'keen were the biggest military power in the galaxy, once

[fallow lily]

I've had a korvak entity electrocute me

For saying divergence

[main beacon]

Yeah, I did too, but for a different word that I forgor

[fallow lily]

It was scary

[hybrid obsidian]

And now theyre not anymore and theyre -kzzt- about that?

[fallow lily]

Do not make them angry, usually they are nice, but sometimes, they can hurt you , idk if the other races can do that

[main beacon]

That's not why theyre angry

They believe they fought off the Aerons in the past

Then, while recovering from that war, the First Spawn used their current weakened state to strike at Korvax Prime

The Vy'keen couldnt do anything to prevent it

[fallow lily]

Can't a vykeen punch you for saying a word

[main beacon]

Korvax Prime screamed across all realities, but none heard except for the aerons

[hybrid obsidian]

What are aerons

[strange wasp]

Another term for sentinels iirc

[main beacon]

Oh thats what the sentinels were called

[hybrid obsidian]

Oh ok

[main beacon]

One day, an aeron drone struck against a gek harvesting the mother planet

[fallow lily]

And why exactly they inhabit literally every single celestial body

[main beacon]

Atlas said nothing

[hybrid obsidian]

• Were once a huge empire
• Weakened from conflict, they got overwhelmed and lost their status
• Perpetually angry

[main beacon]

They fought against the destruction and returned

[hybrid obsidian]

So the Vy'Keen are British?

[fallow lily]

The only places you won't run into sentinels are the ocean worlds

They aren't there for some reason but their towers are

Their towers can be found in the ocean

As can crashed interceptors

[hybrid obsidian]

Why ocean worlds specifically?

[fallow lily]

Yet unless the water world has an island, you won't find them

[hybrid obsidian]

Are Gek canonically amphibian?

[fallow lily]

Speaking from experience

I cannot find a single one

Yet planet says they are around

[strange wasp]

Alright at that point thats probably just a gameplay thing rather then a lore problem

[hybrid obsidian]

oh

It sounded as if the two were connected

nvm then

With the state water movement is right now, I would hate underwater combat

[main beacon]

Those are claimed already

Water is domain of the Abyss

The sentinels dont need to patrol it

[fallow lily]

I thought they cannot because they cannot go underwater

[main beacon]

The sentinels cant

They dont need to, lorewise, anyway

[hybrid obsidian]

Is the Abyss a blanket term for all biological enemies, including the horrors that spawn when you pick up whispering eggs?

[main beacon]

No, its a specific thing

Do you wanna know or find out on your own?

[fallow lily]

I like that even on worlds that say lifeless , there are plants underground

[hybrid obsidian]

I once stumbled upon a terminal that said something like
"First there were six lifeforms. Then five. Then four. Then three."

(Sentinel Pillar)

[main beacon]

Previous iterations, yes

[hybrid obsidian]

Oooh I thought they meant species

[main beacon]

Before the triad (Gek, Korvax, Vy'keen) were solidified as a pattern

[hybrid obsidian]

And I thought it was trying to imply that there were more races once but they progressively got reduced to Korvax, Vy'Keen and Gek

[main beacon]

Oh they do

Reduced isnt the right word, exactly

[fallow lily]

How come there are no cities or anything?

[main beacon]

The sentinels refuse to allow it

[hybrid obsidian]

I always thought of space stations as cities

And us only seeing a small part of it

[fallow lily]

Sentinels defend space stations, shoot at one they come out like a wasp nest

[main beacon]

Space stations also arent on planets

[hybrid obsidian]

Yeah but theyre habitable

[main beacon]

I wonder if its a compromise

[fallow lily]

"you are not allowed to build anywhere in the universe" basically

[hybrid obsidian]

Maybe they just protect the space stations because they know they have to preserve these lifeforms too on some level but they throw them the bare minimum bone by letting them live in space

[main beacon]

Not all universes were so lucky

The Vy'keen believe they bested the sentinels in the past, but that isnt true

The sentinels barely seemed to register the Aeron war as anything different from usual aggression from organic life

[fallow lily]

I think they cannot be defeated, sentinels I mean

[main beacon]

You're right

[fallow lily]

No one stands a chance to them

[main beacon]

Im fairly sure they dont even die, exactly

They can walk the world of glass because it is their home and place of work

[fallow lily]

They also inhabit other universes

[main beacon]

Not quite

They dont inhabit any universe

They are from the world beneath all worlds

[fallow lily]

How long have they existed?

[main beacon]

Since the Atlas

Well

If you mean their current form, several millennia and also always from simulation perspective

But they are an intrinsic part of Atlas' functions

Theyre the archivists

[fallow lily]

I'm guess they were there back when all races were still cavemen

[main beacon]

Hard to say

The sentinels were dreamed to have bodies by the Atlas

They didnt have them to begin with, and didnt need them to record and organize the information of the simulations unseen

But since they are beyond individual universes, once they got bodies, they had them in all realities

[fallow lily]

Man I wish I actually played the game instead of giving myself everything