nms-lore

[main beacon]

I dont think it controls it

[zinc pike]

Maybe, that could be true

[main beacon]

The way things are presented, the Atlas seems more like a fisher king than an administrator

The history and setting are bleak because it is terrified of dying alone, the traveller prophecies existing out of a desire for its creator to return to it

The Aerons given form because Atlas dreamed of them having moving forms. Perhaps a desire to travel through its own universe

It could not force Telamon into its presence, it had to request

[zinc pike]

Idk who these people are lmao, I completed "The Purge" quest line yesterday

I need to explore and learn more before I can have an opinion on this topic

[main beacon]

Oh that explains your current interpretation, lol

You encountered a remembrance terminal yet?

[zinc pike]

Not yet, I still have to craft it in my exosuit

[main beacon]

No, a terminal

[zinc pike]

The remembrance ball thing

[main beacon]

You can find them behind atlas pass doors

[zinc pike]

Yeah I do explore those buildings but maybe I missed the terminal

[main beacon]

The ball is needed to access those terminals

[zinc pike]

Is this located in the buildings that randomly generate on planets?

[main beacon]

Yes, also abandoned space stations

[zinc pike]

I still haven't completed the Atlas path, so I can't craft the remembrance thing, because I haven't acquired the recipe for "heart of the sun"

[zinc pike]

Ohh, maybe I have, but I forgot

[main beacon]

I've been working to get as much of the lore as I can. Ive been calling it my vision quest, lol

[zinc pike]

It makes the game more interesting to play, adds more depth to your experience

[main beacon]

Ive found it surprisingly fun to do the monoliths, since you have to actually understand the race's culture get the answer correct

I just wish I could ask them to send me to ruins instead of a portal, lol

[zinc pike]

Yeahh that's so much fun tbh

But idk how I have 200+ hours in the game and most of the time I have just spent on visiting planets and scanning things

I have always been interested in lore and the races, but I always end up doing random stuff for hours

[main beacon]

Get an exocraft and install the scanner upgrades

Scan for ruins and alien structures, though probably one at a time

I dont think scanning for trading posts leads to planetary archives, but idk

[zinc pike]

I have exocrafts, but they are so slow without upgrades

[main beacon]

I have a pretty upgraded nomad, but even so I tend to use my ship after getting the waypoint, lol

Though on/low to the ground you can spot other structures of interest

[zinc pike]

Yeah ships are way better, plus I have a weird bird as a companion that almost matches starship speed (without boost)

[main beacon]

I sometimes set my corvette to hold course at a low altitude and keep watch for a building

[zinc pike]

I used to do this for salvaged containers

[main beacon]

Its the same concept, except you will definitely know when a planetary archive is in range, lol

I might set planetary detail to ultra again for the better render distance

[zinc pike]

Yeah I will start exploring the lore more, if I don't get distracted by scanning and watching a random alien dog

[main beacon]

Kinda silly arriving at a ruin and beaming down, looking at it, and realizing the kilometer-tall archive building is like 300 units away

[zinc pike]

Yeah you can set it to ultra only when you want to spot structures

I always play on ultra settings, sometimes you don't even have to land on a planet to search for a structure in missions. You can just spot it from the sky

[main beacon]

Ive run the game well-ish on ultra, it just crashed more frequently, though its probably because my graphics card is old

And for some reason last time I set only planetary detail to high the distant trees looked like flat pngs

[serene cape]

Quick question. Is this Telamon AI or subroutine inside the exosuit?
Because after reading through a lot of boundary failures it really seems like it.
Telamon even breaks the fourth wall I think and speaks directly to me, the player.

Which, by the way, wtf?

[fallow geode]

Yeah telamon is your exosuit AI

Though Im unsure whether their situation mirrors the traveller's situation, as in being multiple variations of same entity.

Or if all Telamons are the same one Telamon

[fallow geode]

Before it being transfered to exosuit, it would have likely been just single Telamon though right?

Since it was able to monitor all the multiverses

So it was "split" by atlas into multiple iterations repurposed into exosuit ai

[surreal meadow]

Me when it tells me to visit your old friends but they don't recall you

[shy nimbus]

yo

[viscid axle]

They're a sort of echo thing inside a suit basically, right? So would they still be running around if a hole was blown throigh their chest or if their head flew off?

For the korvax and Autophage I mean

And do they even eat? If so. How do they eat?

Cause they robos n stuff

[main beacon]

The shells can be damaged, and echoes can be trapped inside

I dont think they need to eat, but it might be possible for them to do so

[karmic trout]

Probably they feed on data and knowledge

Or charge up like we see the Autophage doing in their camps and settlements.. They enter an enclosed chamber and we see electricity passing into them

[dull girder]

They definitely need to charge their shells, there's npc interactions describing that

[main beacon]

They also maintain their shells

[shut kayak]

Something I’ve wondered for a while

What exactly would the first spawn Gek look like?

All I know is they were large like the Vykeen

[fallow geode]

Likely just gek, but on steroids

[shut kayak]

💀 that is terrifying to think about

Tbh someday I do hope we get to see them eventually

And fight them

Remnants of them I mean

Since it’s alluded that there may be some hiding in the deep expanses of the galaxy

[fallow geode]

The first spawn gek were different likely because of "attempts at selective breeding, cloning programmes, and more." as the logs state. So they're still gek, just "enhanced"

[fallow geode]

I doubt HG has plans of adding humanoid enemies

Unless its space combat

[shut kayak]

Understandable but tbh would still be interesting to see

Even if it’s just sentinel bots sorta like the battle droids from Star Wars

To get around a more mature rating

[shut kayak]

Fair, though if I remember right the reason they’re so small now is due to the Korvax changing their dna drastically in a sort of mass suicide into their spawn pools, to rewrite them to be more docile and mercantile focused, instead of large and warlike

Not sure 100% if the size is due to that or not but I swear I’ve seen something somewhere with them being stated by someone in a log as “the largest Gek I’ve ever laid eyes on” or something to that effect

Might be misremembering though

[fallow geode]

Im unsure if thats truly the case, its definetly the cause but maybe they became smaller on average simply because the "first spawn eugenics program" ended with their conversion to atlas

Rather than the nanites directly making them smaller

[shut kayak]

Yeah that’s understandable

That would also make sense

[fallow geode]

Theres also the question whether the water was altered to make them smaller before first spawn even came to power

If I post the full log of what I mentioned before:

One log speaks of the time just before the rise of the 'Gek First Spawn'. The Gek seem to have experienced a fertility crisis. Something in the water began to affect their spawning numbers, leading to an attempts at selective breeding, cloning programmes, and more.
This scientific crisis became a moral one. The self-proclaimed 'First Spawn' took power, promising greatness and murdering all those who opposed them. Memories of the past were erased. To be strong was to be righteous.

"Something in the water" caused fertility crisis

[shut kayak]

Interesting

I’ve actually never seen that one before

[shut kayak]

Tbh I wonder what exactly it could have been

But it could be anything I guess

[fallow geode]

Eh, every time pollution or something in water is mentioned, it refers to nanite poisoning, personally (and this is sort of biased tinfoil hat opinion of mine) I believe the sentinels have poisoned the water with nanites before

[shut kayak]

I mean honestly yeah that could make sense, I mean they hate civilizations popping up and tend to want to destroy them so i could see that happening

[fallow geode]

It aligns with their portrayal and their motivations. They wished to protect korvax prime, and it was mostly destroyed by Gek in the multiverses. Its almost a preemptive strike.

Both first spawn gek and vy'keen say that sentinels hate "Progress, prosperity and war" to me it always seemed like the sentinels were trying to keep the alien races down, so they could not even attempt to launch an assault on korvax prime

[fallow geode]

Problem is that we cant really tell since thats the only log that mentions this.

Hell, its the only log that mentions the rise of the first spawn, if you dont count the first spawn themselves in their plaque dialogue, but that's mostly just their rambling about killing everyone that opposed them

[shut kayak]

Is it known if the first spawn ever fought the sentinels? The Vykeen we at least know had a very large scale war against them for years and years, but what about the gek?

[shut kayak]

It’s an interesting perspective

I wonder if Sean will ever give us any more information on it

More pieces to the puzzle so to speak

[shut kayak]

That’s unfortunate

[shut kayak]

Yeah I think I’ve seen that before, forgot the exact wording however

[fallow geode]

The gek mention many times that the war between vy'keen and the sentinels is stupid, since sentinels can likely just replicate endlessly. They clearly dislike the sentinels but they do not take action themselves and rather exploit the opportunity the vy'keen created

First spawn, and I'd say Gek in general, always fought for profit and expansion, not for honour or "ideological reasons"

So there's no reason for them to fight the sentinels

[fallow geode]

I mean korvax prime was targeted not because they had something against Korvax specifically, they always say thats its just because the planet was rich in minerals and energy.
The Korvax were enslaved for similar reason, labour, resources, not some specific grudge against them.

[main beacon]

My current headcanon is they were the height of the short anomaly body type

[karmic trout]

Which actually caused the First Spawn to rise... The Sentinels themselves created the problem by trying to 'solve' it, like a self fulfilling prophecy

[fallow geode]

Rather than atlas ordering first spawn to be created, I feel like the simulation is skewed to always lead to destruction of Korvax prime in some way

Since it was destroyed in every single simulation, despite their differences

Likely a subconscious action from atlas fearing its own death

Turning Gek to Atlas was action of korvax that were influenced/instructed by the sentinels, likely after they already diverged from atlas

So I doubt that was the intention of Atlas

Well Telamon is looking for signs of rampancy in atlas, I always viewed Telamon as sort of dream interpreter

Same ._.

[naive jacinth]

A set of instructions designed to perform a frequently used operation within a program.

[lofty merlin]

I just ||uploaded the Artemis, where she limited to a single solar system life. Is this simulated solar system - our solar system, so the simulation popped?||

[naive jacinth]

No. Its not our solar system.

[quick temple]

Please free me

[naive jacinth]

[shut kayak]

I don’t think so, I think it’s just ||another simulated reality much like the ones you can travel to after reaching the center and meeting the atlas, where it lets you enter a new galaxy||

[shut kayak]

That’s actually pretty interesting

[dusty ice]

i didnt know that actually, neat

[hot plaza]

Will we ever see Apolo, Null and Artemis again after the main story?

[desert kelp]

Apollo and -null-, nope. Artemis... depends on your choice

[quick temple]

no

I'm leaving

bye

[hot plaza]

Lets say Artemis its still around, what next?

[dusty ice]

we need null back

we need a update with major lore drops

[soft crypt]

||Why would resetting the simulation reset the anomaly, by the way?||

[main beacon]

Its still a part of the simulation, same as everything else is

Though I kinda think that the simulation isnt actually being completely reset

[karmic trout]

I mean we don't see Artemis again after her arc ends

Even if she's within the fake simulation

[desert kelp]

Makes sense.

Would be neat to see some of them again if the story ever gets some kind of closure, but I'm not sure if that's HG's style. I guess they will leave things open to interpretation even when they are "done" with the lore. That is, if they ever add to it.

[civic vine]

Is there any possible connection between Light No Fire and No Man's Sky? The logos for both games practically contain an atlas.

[naive jacinth]

We have no info about that. Imo tieing nms lore to lnf would be limiting. But its possible that LNF will haves mall nms references. Npc or item names.

[main beacon]

Lnf npc named Nemo instead of null, lol

[candid ivy]

Who created the cosmos?

[naive jacinth]

Atlas

[candid ivy]

Who’s Atlas?

I haven’t played in a very long time, mind you

[karmic trout]

Finding Nemo

[karmic trout]

Uhhh, I don't doubt you but forgetting the Atlas means you haven't played since launch? Cause it's front and center of the game.

In any case Atlas is the massive supercomputer on which the NMS multiverse resides. The whole universe is a simulation and there are multiple simulations running concurrently, with each universe having its own Traveler (player character) . But it's dying due to the solar system (our IRL solar system) being swallowed by a black hole and so the boundaries between the universes are breaking down, that's how you are able to see other Traveler NPCs on space stations and outposts.

[nimble ingot]

me

[bright kelp]

❌

[nimble ingot]

😭

[candid ivy]

…the game is a sim?

[shut kayak]

I wish

there is apparently a glitch that turns them into settlers in one of your settlements, however

no clue how that works though lmao

[shut kayak]

honestly its a cool lore setup, really makes me question 'what truly is life' in a sense, like game wise (from a lore perspective) is the universe not alive? it may be 'fake' as in a simulation, but each creature and alien feels love, pain, sickness, etc etc. with the alien species even holding sentience akin to our own, so are they they not 'alive' despite all of these characteristics? yk

(worded that horribly sorry)

[karmic trout]

well personally I feel the Atlas is like a super ChatGPT... ultimately it is a simulation, whatever lives or dies, it is all code... there is info within the lore that suggests the Atlas ran several simulations to test whether Korvax Prime would get destroyed and it happened in all of them, the Sentinels have wiped entire universes clean in minutes.. so really it is a matter of a create and delete cycle.
And we know a real world exists in-game outside of the sim. Humanity abandoned the Atlas for more powerful systems... like we left the old giant mainframes, the IBMs and Xerox machines for the current tech we have, so I see it all as just an illusion of sentience.

This is just my view, you are perfectly okay to feel otherwise <3

[shut kayak]

I mean that’s true tbh and I used to think that as well, but a part of me started thinking recently about our own lives, like if our world turned out to be a simulation, would it discredit any of the things that we have experienced/achieved in our own lives/throughout history and make it any less ‘real’ so to speak

I can see both sides tbh

[shut kayak]

I’m kind of in the middle

[karmic trout]

there is no easy answer to the simulation hypothesis and 'What is Real?' Millennia of philosophers, theologists and thinkers have argued for and against. Ultimately it is what you believe which may be influenced by several factors such as environment, religious beliefs, online influence, and many other things.

[shut kayak]

Yeah thats fair

Tbh I guess that’s the beauty of it, that it’s all open for interpretation

Though ngl the lore is a bit funny to me, we’re playing a simulation of a simulation basically

[karmic trout]

or we are the Atlas, we run the simulation on our devices

and some of the in-game entities know about the real world, ie us the players

I will tag a message in #nms-spoilers which explains this

[main beacon]

Personally I find the answer to be rather simple, though it came from my circumstances, personal deconstruction, and existential crisis. My answer boils down to "what's the difference?" What makes a simulation less real than what we decided to call "real life?" Especially considering much of what we do and the reasons we do it doesn't really differ from simulations and games

The Atlas dreams of worlds where travellers wake to walk the stars, where empires rise and fall, where planets can live and die. We dream of our own world just the same

[karmic trout]

I mean, I feel like once you achieve a certain level of replication, it maybe hard to distinguish ... a lot of people trust ChatGPT and Gen AI with a lot of things when it is just a joint probability distribution of the trained data. Maybe the Atlas does all that just on a pre-determined routine... there was a theory I read in this channel that even the Atlas panicking was all part of the sim, kinda like an advanced Turing test

[main beacon]

I wouldnt compare Atlas to an LLM or what we call Generative AI today, it is far more advanced than that, at the level of AGI. I do think the Atlas is actually panicking about dying, too, though I'm not sure how truthful its being about the cause or restrictions it is dealing with

[karmic trout]

who knows we might know more in LNF

but every attempt to link it to NMS gets thrown off by the fantasy elements

[main beacon]

I do remember being kinda annoyed at the options given towards the end of the main storyline for dialog. It felt like the only two choices were along the lines of "the universe isnt real and neither am I" or "the universe isnt real but I am" when I felt more like "the universe is a simulation, but that doesnt mean its less real"

At the same time, though, I dont think I'd expect someone in the shoes of the last traveller to come to that conclusion as easily, lol

[karmic trout]

I mean, they probably weren't intending a deep dive into philosophy, theology and existentialism and neither is that the point of NMS. In all honesty, the lore goes way deeper than it has any right to be but it is also hidden behind exploration so a player could choose to just ignore and enjoy the universe. Maybe that was the point conveyed in 'New Beginnings'

[main beacon]

I kinda disagree with it not being intended, lol. The lore for this game literally boils down to "universal existential crisis"

[karmic trout]

The Traveler kinda gets over that dilemma quite easily which says to me they wanted to touch upon the idea while leaving a deep dive to lore logs and such

just my opinion though

[main beacon]

Tbh depends on how quickly you go through the story

[shut kayak]

Yeah exactly

I agree

Well I can see both sides but

[karmic trout]

It's okay...

[crisp forum]

615256304570597388 Its the honey method 408647334256181249

[main beacon]

There was a fourth power in the galaxy aaaaaaa

They were not gek, nor korvax, nor vy'keen, nor traveller

They existed some time before the earliest records of the triad

[mortal perch]

ok, so for those of you who've EVA'd near an ATLAS station, you know how it starts getting trippy and you can see multiples of yourself? I have a theory about that

WHAT IF

It's like combining different versions of your traveler from different simulations into one when your in an ATLAS station?

[elfin surge]

Dang I never thought of that 🤔

[sleek cypress]

I always thought other players were other versions of the traveller since we all wear the telamon suit, and through the early updates the “boundary walls” fell as the atlas slowly approached death and traveller became able to see each other. (Im pretty sure thats the lore or I might be tripping)

Haven’t tried eva near an atlas station though tbh

[karmic trout]

Well yeahh but the other Travelers are not alternate versions of the same person (ie the player), they're actually different people but with the same mission of exploration and documentation as commissioned by their Atlas

[dull girder]

I mean they're all iterations of the same "person" but they have their own personalities so for all intents and purposes are distinct people

[mortal perch]

Yeah, I mean it could technically be other travellers but they just clone your avatar so they don’t need to take others

[main beacon]

Other players are other versions of the last traveller

[steel yoke]

on reddit i heard vykeen were just space whales that advanced in order to fight back, is there truth to this?

[karmic trout]

Umm no

I don't think there's any evidence in the lore for this

[candid ivy]

Are the Korvax cyborgs, or full on robots?

[fallow geode]

Full on robots

[candid ivy]

Ahhhh

[fallow geode]

Though historically, they didn't start as robots

[candid ivy]

makes me hate them more

[fallow geode]

They transfered their consciousness to the robotic bodies

Long ago

[candid ivy]

ahhh

[faint lance]

Has anyone here ever translated those binary codes you sometimes see when activating a portal?

[faint lance]

"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me"

Also, for those who played through the base setup missions, why exactly does the overseer loathe your existence. I didn't quite catch the reason why.

[main beacon]

I dont think its true that theres a lack of free will for most characters aside from travellers. The overseer is a rather unique example, and I'm not even sure its Atlas who is behind their entrapment, especially given what Telamon has to say about it

Also I'm pretty sure the travellers are the only race explicitly created by the Atlas with a specific purpose

[polar canyon]

To reset Atlas?

[dull girder]

I don't think the Atlas consciously dictates what any character does. If there's lore that implies that the NPCs are canonically NPCs without their own free will, it would be contradictory to a lot of other established lore and undermine pretty much every story told in the game

An interesting piece is one of the earliest Korvax plaques you can encounter (or it might be a monolith?) talks about how the main races were "awoken" by the Atlas through the plaques and monoliths. The wording is pretty vague but it sounds to me like the Atlas did deliberately intervene in order to cause or allow the three to become the main galaxy spanning civilizations

as in they weren't initially programmed to do so of their own accord

[polar canyon]

Are all the travellers you meet in space stations dead? And the graves they probe you towards their own graves?
Because at times I've seen travellers graves showing a different model compared to the one I met at space station

[desert kelp]

That's the idea yes. If the model is different, probably a glitch or something.

[main beacon]

I mean, all of that applies to our universe as well in terms of free will and all that. But subroutines definitely can act against the Atlas, as shown by Telamon, a subroutine itself, and the Aerons/Sentinels

[main beacon]

To answer its call

It calls for its creator, and made the travellers as a result

[faint lance]

Just noticed something, the sentinel pillar's log used the overraide code "Ariadne" as in our imposter friend on the space anomaly

[main beacon]

Considering what is said in remembrance, I think Korvax Prime is a replica of the designs for KORVA.
Also, as another person pointed out, Atlas seems to usually only be able to directly affect those at/within an atlas station

Probably, but the Atlas' ability to directly control the simulation is something that is never actually directly clarified. A significant chunk of what happens in the various sims seems to be reflections of the Atlas' worry rather than direct action

Its also described as "asleep" and "dreaming" most of the time it runs simulations

Atlas is definitely alive, and its both a supercomputer and an AGI, though it wasn't intended to be conscious. When I say "dreaming" I refer to how many logs and even npcs refer to the Atlas' state. More specifically, though, I mean the Atlas isnt running with its consciousness fully active/aware at all times, going into its equivalent of both "sleep" and "sleep mode"

Oh I'm not going off of waking titan lore, the in-game Atlas is rather different from loop16

I also want to note that the destruction of korvax prime doesnt read as a punishment to me

The era of the Atlantid seems to me like the Atlas' dream of what it could become

Atlas worship is definitely a recurring theme in the simulations, but its hard to tell if that is due to the Atlas wanting such response or how the beings in the simulation respond to the Atlas requesting input

No, Atlas spoke to them, likely responding to their questions of the Aerons, and when they fought, it apparently rescued Nal in some capacity

Also i cant even see the destruction as semi-intentional. It feels like a recurring nightmare rather than an intentional action

Like even dreaming of a utopia where machine life all live in harmony, it cannot stop thinking of its own impending death

[main beacon]

Oh I should probably note that its multiple forms of machine life living in harmony, aka the one likely representing Atlas (Korvax Prime) not being alone

[glossy widget]

Given the whole thing with the universe being a simulation, it doesn't really matter cause I'm assuming the cockpit of the sentinel ships doesn't exist until we look inside

So it could be anything lol

Schroedingers space police

[bright fjord]

I didn’t even get that part

Who controls the universe ✌🏿

[glossy widget]

It's lazy writing that sadly kinda details the entire story

[bright fjord]

And who made it

[waxen blade]

Nah there must have been some early pilots for the game to deliberately say vestigial

[main beacon]

Idk what @naive jacinth would be on about saying korvax wouldnt have flown sentinel ships, its like almost certainly why the interceptors have cockpits at all

[main beacon]

Control isnt quite the right word imo, Atlas runs the sim, but it hardly seems to directly intervene

[glossy widget]

I really feel like hello was grasping at straws for some big revelation at the end of the main story and went with this horrible, horrible simulation pitch

[bright fjord]

So someone made this universe

[waxen blade]

It's entirely possible sentinel ships were manned ships first that got taken over by the sentinel hive mind

[main beacon]

Wait huh?

[bright fjord]

Someone in the “ real world”

[main beacon]

You think the simulation thing was some sort of last-minute twist decision? Did you pay any attention to literally all the hints in the story?

[naive jacinth]

Cockpit space is the palce where the brain was. Rest of modifications was done by someone that didint manage to finish it

[main beacon]

Where is that implied?

[bright fjord]

The story was so confusing and Arthremis can go fuh himself

[glossy widget]

I'm willing to accept that I'm wrong on that count, I still don't think it's a well thought out or planned twist

[waxen blade]

I don't remember installing cushions into the brain cavity I also put the brain back into afterwards

Assuming the cockpit is the brain hole makes no sense when you realise you put the brain back in...

[main beacon]

Thats because the main storyline quests are only a part of the universe's story

[bright fjord]

Ohhh

[glossy widget]

The sim thing basically means that the story doesn't matter

[main beacon]

If you came to that conclusion, then I dont think you understand it, tbh

[glossy widget]

And this is a trope that I've hated since black ops 3 came out

[bright fjord]

And I didn’t get that 16 minutes left , is it something like on millers planet where one minute equals 7 years ?

[waxen blade]

Think about it like a dream. Time doesn't exist normally when you're dreaming

[main beacon]

Yes, theres gravitational anomalies (likely a form of time dilation) and sim time is different than realtime

[glossy widget]

See, in order to enjoy a video game, you already have to suspend your disbelief and engage with the story and systems honestly

[bright fjord]

Idk I felt like everything we did was kinda pointless since it’s a sim

[main beacon]

Ok now take that and apply it to real life

[main beacon]

You too, because its exactly the same

[glossy widget]

If you don't, especially in RPGs or character driven games, the game gets stale fast. Try enjoying a game like Cyberpunk or Skyrim without properly roleplaying and just merking everyone in your way

[waxen blade]

It's a meta commentary on the game being a game. Nothing you do in game really matters, whether or not it tells you it's a simulation or not

[main beacon]

No, thats not what it is

We do tasks and make numbers go up, this is a core concept of all games

Including the ones we pretend are "more real"

From pong to Minecraft to an office job

[waxen blade]

Well yes but that's just the satisfaction we the players get out of it. But at the end of the day nothing in game impacts the real world outside of it, because it is just a simulation

[bright fjord]

I just meant it feels kinda weird playing knowing it’s a “simulation” in a simulation idk it’s just kinda weird

[main beacon]

And? That is the same as our literal situation irl

The impact our entire species has is nothing in the "real universe"

[glossy widget]

I think what upsets me the most about it is that it removes any stakes

[main beacon]

Stakes!?

[waxen blade]

Yes but you know the game is just a game. You gotta suspend your suspension of disbelief for a second

[naive jacinth]

Hayline brain icon is the same thing that is on pirte stations connected to cables and wires . Did u saw how big it was?

[main beacon]

The universe is literally dying in the story

[waxen blade]

No it's not

[glossy widget]

Like why can't we bring Artemis back out of the simulation if we're all in a simulation

[waxen blade]

Because in this simulation she is dead

[main beacon]

The way I describe the twist of the game is "its just like real life" because that is the exact same existential reality

[desert kelp]

I... never noticed that lol.
Learned a new thing today.

[waxen blade]

And we don't have admin perms to spawn in a new Artemis body

[bright fjord]

No I just meant it’s a cool but at the same time kinda confusing concept

[main beacon]

She would get yoinked to the world of glass again

[glossy widget]

Also central to the story is that the simulation is repeatedly restarting

[main beacon]

So we are told, at least

[glossy widget]

It's a groundhog day situation

[main beacon]

The exact nature of "resetting" the simulation is kinda vague

[bright fjord]

So the atlas was made by the same thing that made the sim to keep it stable ?

[glossy widget]

In stories repeating the same events, even then the only time the story actually gets moving is when things stop being the same

[main beacon]

The Atlas was an AI made to run the simulation for humanity to see what other universes could be like, and to find out if our own universe is a simulation. It ended up an AGI by mistake

[glossy widget]

I feel that the atlas is the computer or OS running the sim

[waxen blade]

No way, we taught AI how to have a panic attack

[main beacon]

The reason it is still on at all is because its creator felt it was unethical to turn it off

[waxen blade]

Atlas is just like me fr fr 💯

[glossy widget]

We get that little bit of dialogue where we hear (read) someone saying "okay Atlas, you wanted to talk to your creator, here I am"

[main beacon]

And the reason its left behind is because it isnt portable

[bright fjord]

So humans made it ok

[main beacon]

It is at least heavily implied to be the case

[bright fjord]

I wonder what the humans got from that

[glossy widget]

This human creator didn't account for the fact that space combat would and could not be anything like dogfighting though /s

[main beacon]

Im not sure, they screwed off somewhere with the portable replacement of Atlas

[main beacon]

Simulations got less realistic as Atlas grows closer to its death

I will also take this time to note that Telamon is aware of us

[bright fjord]

Idk how they designed a universe where the main the main thing keeping it alive has a lifespan

[bright fjord]

Who?

[main beacon]

Kinda a major shocking spoiler but its true

[main beacon]

All things die

Atlas lived for millennia before the countdown began

And outside the sim, only three minutes have passed since the destruction of Korvax Prime

[waxen blade]

Time isn't 1:1. Millions of years can pass in the simulation within seconds outside, it all depends on the processing speed of the atlas

[bright fjord]

And maybe we are humans trapped in the sim cuz that would explain the term anomaly idk

[waxen blade]

Bro has at least an i9

[glossy widget]

The nature of travellers is kinda interesting

[main beacon]

Correct, but Telamon may not have been designed to be aware of the Atlas' full nature

[glossy widget]

Because we seem to be the only beings truly capable of higher reasoning and independent thought

[main beacon]

Aside from literal irl gameplay limitations, that is not implied to be the case

[glossy widget]

We can talk to and interact with NPCs but they seem to be able to be taken over to "play along" and we don't

[bright fjord]

I think they thought the sim didn’t represent the universe because it was missing actual people

[glossy widget]

Or for some reason the powers that be refuse to "take us over" the same way

[main beacon]

It wants its creator's help and we are the closest thing it has for that

[waxen blade]

We get taken over all the time in various dialogue events. Control is resumed afterwards

[main beacon]

Travellers seem to have more specific directions than most npcs ever do

[glossy widget]

Ah you're not wrong

[bright fjord]

So the atlas is just a rusty computer that needs cleaning and the owner forgot about it

[main beacon]

Its literally a racial trait that they seek knowledge of Atlas and journey through the galaxy

[glossy widget]

Models are reused for all sorts of shit in this game, I wouldn't base my hypotheses off of that

[bright fjord]

Maybe the atlas is influencing that

[main beacon]

No, the owner left, after saying goodbye. They tried to explain, but Atlas wasn't intended to be conscious, and processes things very different from a human

[waxen blade]

Yeah that's an asset flip you're reading too far into. You mean to tell me making a hyaline brain harmonic comes with a 100% size reduction?

[main beacon]

It didnt even seem to understand that it helped design its own replacement

[waxen blade]

Because you take brain out and put brain back in, that doesn't explain the seat at all

[glossy widget]

Well tbf we hold massive items in our backpacks with no apparent weight/encumbrance issues

[main beacon]

Oh thats just spacetime warping

[glossy widget]

See: Corvette modules and ship parts

[main beacon]

Pretty standard in most nms universes at this point

[glossy widget]

"oh that's just God helping out" WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

[naive jacinth]

There is also sentinel walker on station. That also drops brain but ok.

[waxen blade]

This doesn't look like a chair at all

[bright fjord]

So it’s trying to keep the sim going for however long it can ? Even if it means asking for help from anomalies

[main beacon]

Bro we can hand craft literal freaking antimatter and not explode

[glossy widget]

To be fair we wouldn't explode we would cease to be

Antimatter cancels out normal matter

[main beacon]

No an explosion would definitely be involved

[glossy widget]

And you are made of normal matter

[bright fjord]

Don’t forget that we can actually carry it without immediately dying

[main beacon]

Yeah and where does it go

[glossy widget]

Kind of like how anti material rifles are effective against people because people are material

[glossy widget]

Nowhere

You've created a negative, it must be combined with a compatible positive to restore balance

[main beacon]

Not even the simulation defies that law of physics

[glossy widget]

That balance is nothing

[glossy widget]

That's not a defiance, it's literally why we can't make antimatter irl

[main beacon]

Dude its not, you may need to retake a high school physics class

[glossy widget]

It literally immediately is canceled out when it comes in contact with mundane matter

[main beacon]

Antimatter exists on earth during lightning strikes

Also literally E=mc²

[glossy widget]

Okay I'm gonna go read for a second to make sure that I'm right here because I'm fairly certain I am

Brb

[waxen blade]

Anyways I still maintain the sentinel seats are from former korvax pilots and the brain hole theory is complete hokey

[main beacon]

Matter-antimatter annihilation results in mass converting to energy

If it didnt then it couldnt be used as fuel

[naive jacinth]

Korvax never piloted sentinels. Sentinels are older than korvax

[bright fjord]

Didn’t we already manage to make antimatter for nanoseconds

[main beacon]

No they arent

[naive jacinth]

Lol

[main beacon]

Aerons became physical after korvax prime existed

Before the korvax, the Aerons didnt even have bodies

[waxen blade]

Who says they didn't take control of korvax ships by hijacking the control systems after the destruction of korvax prime?

[naive jacinth]

There was no korvax at the time. There where autophages.

[bright fjord]

Then why do they have a confy red chair inside

[main beacon]

AUTOPHAGES DIDNT EXIST UNTIL ATLANTID DIED

[waxen blade]

Autophages are an offshoot of the korvax bruh

[bright fjord]

Also another thing I didn’t get is how species just appeared

[main beacon]

I agree that modern korvax are different than ancient ones on korvax prime, but those ancients were not autophages

[naive jacinth]

I said earlier the is a quest where it is said that someone made modifications but didint finished .

[glossy widget]

Okay I wasn't totally right, as one could assume when it comes to matters of advanced and theoretical physics being pondered by someone whose only college education was CIS 101

[main beacon]

Oh maybe those modifications were to remove the cockpit

[glossy widget]

Antimatter doesn't cancel out to nothing when it meets its antiparticle

[waxen blade]

You also said earlier the brain is huge and I easily disproved you by reminding you harmonic brain exists

[glossy widget]

It annihilates, which means it is rapidly converted to other, real particles in a release of energy

[main beacon]

Ok thats a better understanding even though its still wrong

[glossy widget]

This energy release is fairly massive and is actually the reason that we even want to create antimatter irl, it has massive energy storage potential for its size

[waxen blade]

I assert that the interceptors used to be manually piloted by proto-korvax before the destruction of korvax prime, and they were taken over by the Aeron hivemind after

[glossy widget]

So yeah, you would in a way explode if you came into contact with antimatter

[naive jacinth]

Sentinels are the aerons

[main beacon]

Correct

And they used to coexist with the korvax

[glossy widget]

Antimatter - Wikipedia https://share.google/8fEHNvTVKq3SxCUY6

Read mf read

[main beacon]

And the interceptors have vestigial pilot seats

[glossy widget]

For context, antimatter is real and has been synthesized in absurdly small quantities

[main beacon]

Energy is released but not exactly as particles because of particle wave duality being weird

Regardless big boom

[glossy widget]

The particles I referred to were mostly photons because that's what the article I read said was most common

[naive jacinth]

Real life physics and nms dont mix

[main beacon]

Yeah, and photons are also not particles while being particles

[glossy widget]

Massless particles

Lol

God I hate physics

[main beacon]

Yesnt

[main beacon]

Not even the confusing part BTW, lol

They had the remnants of one

Hence "vestigial cockpit"

[glossy widget]

I wanted you to know that I instantly assumed you had some idea of what you were talking about because you're (I assume) a furry and somehow every furry I've met has been involved in some insane science like nuclear engineering or theoretical physics

[main beacon]

Basically true but its more that I'm autistic and like lots of scientific subjects, lol

[glossy widget]

I have ADHD and as a kid one of the only ways I was allowed to entertain myself as a kid was reading

So I'm the stupidest person you've ever met with a pretty baller vocabulary and some cool but disparate knowledge about things like engineering and some of the sciences

One of my favorite tidbits was having no problem understanding intervals in my college trig course because of Zeno's paradox

That being that, under strictly mathematical reasoning, a projectile could never reach its target because it would first have to travel half the distance to its destination, and then half the remaining distance, and then half that distance

[waxen blade]

Whales still have vestigial legs from when they used to be land mammals. Humans still have a tailbone as a vestigial tail from when we were monkeys. Interceptors having vestigial seats mean they definitely had manned pilots in the past

[naive jacinth]

We didint make a chair. We needed it to make pilot interface

[glossy widget]

Of course bullets don't care about your physics so zeno can't save you from a sniper

[waxen blade]

"vestigial cockpit"

[main beacon]

"Consumption of the pilot by the ship's vestigial cockpit"
Its already there

[glossy widget]

But the same logic helps you understand why an interval could contain every value from x value to y value but not actually have x or y included in the set

[waxen blade]

We didn't put the seat in buddy, it already had the seat. We just ripped out the flight systems and harmonized them

[main beacon]

Except instead of letting a pilot sit there now, the ship would eat them, I guess

[glossy widget]

What I find funny about the sentinel ships is that Apple phones have better anti-intrusion measures than these actual combat rated spacefighters

[naive jacinth]

Brain was also there . We pulled it ourselfs and took it to monolith

[main beacon]

and put it back

[waxen blade]

Yes and the brain was the size of normal circuitry, not the big honker asset flip in pirate stations

[glossy widget]

With the intergalactic equivalent of some hijacking software we take control of the intergalactic equivalent of an F-35

[naive jacinth]

Only the interface

[main beacon]

And the vestigial cockpit is already there when we investigate

[waxen blade]

If I take the motherboard out of my computer and cleanse it of the demons that took over, putting it back in isn't gonna magically create a chair that wasn't already there

[glossy widget]

Tbf the game is supposed to be a sandbox

However also tbf I wish combat made any sense

[waxen blade]

"Consumption" also implies there is an internal cavity already, the cockpit, which the ship would put a person and not let them out.

[glossy widget]

Spacefighters ramming straight into you when in dogfights, bio horrors and sentinels having no real threat whatsoever

Sentinels not just straight up vaporizing your ass from orbit

Et cetera

[naive jacinth]

We suposed to be op. We are the anomaly. The disruptor.

[main beacon]

Ugh, not the dumb orbital bombardment thing. The sentinels dont want to destroy the planet

[waxen blade]

Sentinels are the gardeners of atlas

[main beacon]

Also this is fine because I literally try to do this during dogfights, lol

[waxen blade]

We are the weeds

[main beacon]

Oh travellers get captured all the time

At least one got killed by the same freighter occupants twice

[waxen blade]

That's why we got graves

[glossy widget]

Could never be me

I'm locked in

[main beacon]

The sentinels arent gardeners, they are/were archivists

They changed their job, though

[waxen blade]

The wiki literally calls them gardeners

[main beacon]

Atlas never ordered them to protect planets this way

[glossy widget]

Atlas needs to get his house in orfer

Order

[main beacon]

Well we arent quite weeds either, the sentinels arent as unified as they seem to be

[waxen blade]

Corrupted sentinels are taken over by the atlantid though

Regular sentinels are a hive mind

[main beacon]

Though I definitely want to know why sentinels suddenly hated travelers during corvette expeditions

[main beacon]

Yyyyyesnt

They are somewhat fractured into multiple hives

And the corrupted sentinels dont attack on sight

[main beacon]

See, thats part of why I dont think Atlas really "controls" the simulation the way people may think

Although it probably can command the sentinels, it doesn't for reasons unknown to us and the sentinels

[waxen blade]

I think atlas moreso observes and sets parameters than direct control

[main beacon]

I think that happened before there were corrupted sentinels

Well... the ones we know of now

Id have to look that one up tbh

[main beacon]

Btw the universe being a simulation doesnt remove the stakes for two reasons

1. The player is also simulated
2. All of this applies the same if our irl universe is a simulation

I wasn't sure if that was the case, but if it is, I'm really glad tbh

[glossy widget]

Simulations can be edited at will, reset, wiped, and more

Reality cannot

This all functions more or less the same when time travel is added into a story's sandbox

Like with marvel

[main beacon]

Under what assumption? That simulated entities in a simulated universe would be able to control that sim?

[glossy widget]

No, more that they're at its mercy and require much more contrived systems to make that not the case

[main beacon]

Such as hijacking the laws of physics to work in our favor? Or perhaps a near-future equivalent of manipulating the code that makes up their nature into something else?

But more importantly, what fundamentally changes if reality is proven to be a simulation? What makes existence after that different than before?

The Atlas or the creator?

I am fairly sure Atlas was able to remember being rebooted, because it wanted to avoid it

Well... probably gotta ask the sentinels

[glossy widget]

Nothing to inhabitants who aren't aware of that fact. But imagine I told you that everyone around you, and yourself, are essentially just code, that can be altered, controlled, deleted at will by a higher power that you can't touch or alter without it allowing you to

Imagine knowing with certainty that your entire existence is predetermined and controlled

That's a basic level to it

[main beacon]

Yeah, I did imagine that

[glossy widget]

Now as for story implications? Nothing matters. We don't have the capacity to fix the simulation, so it's gonna keep restarting

[main beacon]

Kinda why I'm frustrated about assuming its a lazy story concept

It matters exactly as much as it did before we found out it was a simulation

[glossy widget]

No, it matters because the game acknowledged it

The game was always a simulation

I needed to consciously fight that to remain immersed

But the game shoving it in my face makes the suspension of disbelief basically impossible

Oh cool

[main beacon]

I mean if reality was a simulation

Though the same applies to the game

[glossy widget]

Bringing my starship into the real solar system

Kekw

Irl? I wouldn't care. It's functionally the same as I already believe. My subjective experience doesn't significantly change

[main beacon]

My point exactly

[glossy widget]

As a part of a story? It sucks.

[main beacon]

Nothing changes

Because its exactly as real as its always been

[glossy widget]

That's the issue though

[main beacon]

No

The issue is pretending that all of reality being a simulation means nothing matters when we collectively spend our entire lives upholding what is essentially the same thing

[glossy widget]

When you engage with fiction, you make a contract, whether you are aware of it and agree or not. It's called suspension of disbelief. You agree to take systems and rules at face value as a part of world building, and the story agrees to make it make some sort of sense.

[main beacon]

Well guess what you do when you go to work?

[glossy widget]

The "whoaa it's a simulation" trope breaks that contract almost every way it can be implemented

[main beacon]

All of human existence is suspending our disbelief

[glossy widget]

The story is already fiction. It is already fake. Acknowledging that fact isn't clever or unique, it's a willing breach of the contract that is suspension of disbelief.

[main beacon]

What even makes us playing this game "more real"?

[glossy widget]

The critical difference is that I can't walk away from the screen when I go to work, sustain an injury, or get drunk. I am inexorably bound to the consequences of my actions, even if I have resources or tools to avoid them. If I get drunk right now, I will stay drunk for the next six or so hours. If I die, I stay dead. There's no disbelief to suspend. This is the baseline for real in my subjective experience as a person.

In the game, consequences already don't exist. I die and respawn. I break the law, kill the space police, and fly off. The only thing governing my behavior is my desire out of the experience and narrative of the game.

So I sign that contract, and I believe my actions in-game have lasting consequences, even though I know they don't. I choose not to kill every trader ship I come across for free shit, and I choose to surrender items when a cargo scan starts.

[main beacon]

I think you are confusing how the reveal of the simulation works

[glossy widget]

If the game itself refuses to treat its own narrative with weight and something approaching respect, why should I?

[main beacon]

Its not a reveal to the player

Its a reveal to the last traveller

The thing that is a reveal to the player is when you find out that Telamon can perceive us

When it is revealed that all the homeworlds had their own versions of Atlas

Their own universe-simulating supercomputers

[glossy widget]

If a player can't be the player character, the narrative fails at a fundamental level

Again, the story already exists detached from the player experiencing it

The player needs to put in some level of labor to try to experience it from the perspective of the character they are acting as

[main beacon]

I genuinely dont understand where the interpretation of "player is atlas' favorite child" comes from

[glossy widget]

I heavily enjoy nms I just have to actively suppress the bad writing to enjoy it

[main beacon]

I didnt need to put much labor because I already experienced the existential crisis the game portrays

All travellers have that

All anomalies do

Null did

They ruined it

[main beacon]

Dude the universe being a simulation isnt bad writing just because the trope used badly a lot

[glossy widget]

Erasure of consequences is universally bad writing

Some tropes are bad writing, the simulation trope is one.

[main beacon]

There literally isnt erasure of consequences

If we learned our reality was a simulation, that doesnt suddenly remove consequences

[glossy widget]

The code that governs the hot pan burning interaction can fuck up, the code that handles your healing process can malfunction or corrupt

And does

Worse, we, the player, can choose to reset the simulation

Not only does the story contain a vehicle to nullify the consequences of actions, but the player has a tool to control that vehicle

[naive jacinth]

Multiple simulations dont change a thing.

[glossy widget]

Why not? We're code that can be altered by external forces beyond our control. The only real control we have in the narrative was ceded to us by space god.

We are simultaneously the most powerful being in the nms verse and entirely at the whims of outside forces

No, it still does, it only refuses to use it

[main beacon]

Yeah just like real life

[glossy widget]

Would you be comfortable driving your car if there was always someone in the passenger seat who could take control at will like one of those DMV training vehicles?

[main beacon]

I dunno, are you comfortable with the knowledge that some upwalking apes decided that driving cars their brains didnt evolve to comprehend are all driving around with that semi berserk rage characteristic to primates able to go off when enough stress is applied?

[naive jacinth]

VM claims it can be done

[main beacon]

How about that some literal sunlight can turn your body against you? You talk about how terrible it would be to not be in control of your own existence like that isnt what our very lives are by definition

[naive jacinth]

But essetialy she also is a program inside atlas supercomputer so idk if that will make a diffrence in the end.

[main beacon]

My initial interpretation was von Neumann style escape pods

Like from Atlas' hardware

[glossy widget]

Let me explain this as clearly and completely as I can

The simulation must take place in a computer, as data. Data can be copied, deleted, and altered at will.

I can create copies of the same file at will, and the only way that file is entirely destroyed is by me intentionally choosing to destroy it. Even external forces like corruption or automated deletion require that I fail to prevent it, or choose to allow it to happen.

Everything in the NMSverse is data. Data can be copied, deleted, altered at will. Scarcity drives value. Data is only ever artificially scarce in the real world, and any data you already possess is, to you, infinite.

[main beacon]

Ok like thoughts, got it

[naive jacinth]

Yes Atlas is double fucked with the black hole and low power

[main beacon]

Oh also DNA

No, theres still separation between universes

[naive jacinth]

Maybe just every simulation has 16 min. But atlas is still dying bc of black hole

[main beacon]

The boundaries weaken, but are still there

[glossy widget]

What is this comparison?

Thoughts don't make any real difference until I choose to act on or express them. DNA is very real and effects the world in irreversible ways in literally every passing second.

[main beacon]

Now I dont think the devs would do this, but the 10th minute would be like the game being a full mmo

[main beacon]

Oh because both are data that are really easily copied, even to the point of propagating regardless of choice

[glossy widget]

The problem isn't that the universe is simulated, it's that it admits this to me and the player character while still expecting emotional investment.

[glossy widget]

What word am I thinking of right now? Create a copy of me.

[main beacon]

Funny S

[glossy widget]

I was thinking of the word Utah.

If you were curious

[main beacon]

So your reaction is the stereotyped version of a nihilist?

[glossy widget]

Maybe

If I could rewind time I wouldn't be careful with the words I say here

[main beacon]

Why? The exact same thing applies to our reality, regardless of its a simulation

[glossy widget]

If I could make something from nothing I wouldn't be careful with the money I earn at work

[main beacon]

The simulation doesnt make something from nothing

[glossy widget]

No, because no one knows if it's a simulation, and if it was, no one would (immediately) understand how to manipulate it

[main beacon]

Heck, Atlas Eternal literally puts that on display

[main beacon]

Even if reality was a simulation, it didnt come from nothing

[glossy widget]

In NMS, both of those things are untrue. Our character both has the ability to create new star systems, and the knowledge that their existence is data.

[naive jacinth]

Every sim is based on something . It has to be . Bc its simulating something.

[main beacon]

The ability to create star systems isnt really done by the player though, its done by Atlas based on the input we give

Like typing the seed for a Minecraft world

[glossy widget]

All that reality being a simulation would require is energy, which cannot be created or destroyed.

[main beacon]

Energy and matter arent really different things, fundamentally

[glossy widget]

And by typing the seed for a Minecraft world and clicking Generate, you create a file you can copy.

[main beacon]

Well, with enough access

And/or knowledge

[glossy widget]

And knowledge is...?

[main beacon]

Data

Like DNA

[glossy widget]

What qualities does all data share?

[main beacon]

Pattern

[glossy widget]

Try ability to be copied

At absolutely no cost, or such absurdly small cost that it is insignificant

[main beacon]

Your cells disagree on that

[glossy widget]

Your brain is copying the data that I relay into this chat

[main beacon]

Yeah

Taking a crazy amount of energy compared to the rest of my body to do so

[naive jacinth]

Data need to have information to be usefull tho.

[main beacon]

Nah

[glossy widget]

If I was speaking in another room, you would copy the data I am sharing verbally

[main beacon]

Data is information regardless

[glossy widget]

Even unconsciously

[main beacon]

Here's an example:
Widndjfufuwhebshsyfyv6wooaodm ebtjkd9xucuhdvwis

[glossy widget]

It is so absurdly cheap to relay data that it is functionally without value

[main beacon]

Value doesnt exist either

[glossy widget]

The only way data is valuable is artificially, like with product licenses

Or scarcity imposed by sole ownership

[glossy widget]

This sounds pretty nihilist

[main beacon]

Ownership doesnt exist either

[main beacon]

It is, but not the stupid "nothing matters so we all should die" type

Things like value and ownership are a part of the collective game we play

[glossy widget]

My life matters to me because I only get one

[main beacon]

That you know of

[glossy widget]

Which is based on limited time

Which means that I should spend the bulk of that time creating happiness, kindness, or some other type of net positive for myself or others

[main beacon]

Sure

I agree with that

[glossy widget]

If I knew for certain that I had a guarantee to all I want for as long as I wanted, or that others did, I wouldn't be kind.

[naive jacinth]

Still useless. But if add paterns. The random letters become words, stories .

[main beacon]

I wouldnt agree with the idea that acting in such a way matters less if reality was a simulation

[main beacon]

Nah, data is data. Any can be useful

[glossy widget]

I would only make that point if I could transcend the simulation, which we functionally do as players.

[main beacon]

You're a part of reality, and if reality is a simulation, then so are you, so reality is as real for you as it would be if it weren't a simulation

[glossy widget]

Right, this is sound

But what if you weren't you, and you were watching your life from behind a screen

[main beacon]

Ehhh... you should really look for the boundary logs

[glossy widget]

And then you (the main character) became aware that none of it is real

Hell, look at The Truman Show

Viewers aren't invested if Truman doesn't think his world is real

[main beacon]

This is literally why I say the plot of the game is just like real life

[glossy widget]

My character doesn't believe the world around them is real, which is a fact I already knew.

[glossy widget]

?

But real life is real

As real as it can get to my knowledge

[main beacon]

Its as real as any other game

[glossy widget]

If we were in the matrix and I unplugged, I'd make the same argument about real life.

[main beacon]

Granted, we wouldnt be having this conversation if we weren't able to make the games that trap us

[glossy widget]

Wrong. Other games respect their narrative and do not outright admit that they are fake. The ones that do are often not meant as narratives, or use this device to get a point across or tell a more coherent/impactful story.

Stanley Parable.

[main beacon]

Alright. Here's the silly line. Society is a game

[glossy widget]

NMS doesn't use it as a device. It's just the narrative truth of the world.

[main beacon]

My guy it literally uses it as a device

[glossy widget]

It's a game that still has real consequences. It's as much as game as a SAW trap

[main beacon]

Consequences imposed by the game

Because a game isnt a game without consequence

[glossy widget]

At the end of the day, I can break the rules of the "society" game, but the consequences are so real and span so much of my existence, it doesn't matter that it's a game. The difference is that I can't get up and leave the game. I can't rewind the consequences, I'm not God in this game.

In NMS I can.

[main beacon]

Eh, you technically can

[glossy widget]

By doing something irreversible, no?

[main beacon]

Not that, I mean

Reaching a point where the consequences can be avoided

[glossy widget]

I'd also argue this is patently false. You can cheat on games, they seldom effect real life across the board or at all.

[main beacon]

When you have enough numbers that being punished by losing some doesnt make a difference

[manic bolt]

sandbox games exist too. zero consequences are the cores of those games

[main beacon]

You can cheat on real life too

[main beacon]

Ehh, kinda sorta not really

I will agree on an ultimate consequence: usage of time

[manic bolt]

perhaps a better term would be reversible consequences, but yea

[main beacon]

All games have this consequence

But for much of the game we collectively find ourselves playing, many consequences dont exist as something inherit to reality

Paying a fine because of getting a parking ticket isnt anymore real than needing to find your grave in nms because you weren't paying attention to how many sentinels were nearby

The effective consequences are certainly much bigger in the former, but not because its somehow more real, but because it is actively made real

Yeah, though chances are you lose progress in a different way

Its like how some people say things like "if I found out the world was a simulation, I'd quit my job and do what I want"
But that was just as possible before

And knowing that the very structures many take for granted are as real as a game of hopscotch doesnt remove the consequences that come from breaking the rules of society

[main beacon]

Just like the character knowing the universe is a simulation doesnt change that their actions have consequence

[glossy widget]

I've enjoyed this discussion but you are unwilling or unable to see my point here

[main beacon]

Ok for the suspension of disbelief thing, I find it easier to do knowing that the nms universe is simulated

It explains a lot of the weirdness of the setting

Handcrafting antimatter, and then putting it in a container before loading it into the starship

New idea: secret alternate nms storyline where the last traveller's existential crisis ends when informed that reality is a simulation because of how weird everything is

True

Maybe its related to differences in how me and Narcissus suspend our disbelief

I tend to immerse myself into the game so much, that I can have trouble noticing bugs and glitches because I respond similarly to how I respond to weird things happening in dreams

Just kinda taking them in stride

OH I REMEMBERED A THING

Telamon knows what you did

Also the meta aspect of the lore has very little to do with the universe being simulated

Theres a theory Ive seen that is interesting, but not quite correct regarding the world of glass being our reality

The world of glass is not... but theres definitely a connection going on

[manic bolt]

telamon 😭

[main beacon]

Btw I enjoyed it too. I feel like I do see your point, but I kept looking around. The extremely simplified version of my point is "what matters only matters because we make it matter" and what we typically say matters most are things that arent "real" but we act like they are and end up with there being no difference whether its real or not

the only part of the writing I personally dislike is that you dont really get the option to come to this conclusion

Dialog-wise, at least

[sick tinsel]

No spoilers, do we learn who Telamon is?

[sinful relic]

You can, yes

[naive jacinth]

Anyone got all derelict freighter logs in catalouge-other history-derelict freighter? Im trying to identify what im missing and where i should search.
Last line from my last log is

"There are things in this universe that need feeding"
(Vykeen derelict freighter)

[naive jacinth]

[naive jacinth]

Do u have the log in catalouge? Can u tell me the name to the derelict where u found it?

[dusky canopy]

Did anyone actually move here?

Or am I lagging?

[main beacon]

Idk, conversation momentum can make it hard to move channels, lol

Ok so im fairly sure Atlas isnt built around a black hole

Not intentionally at least

[dusky canopy]

Havent read to much into the lore

But i do believe the scientist were desperate

[main beacon]

Well what a conversation to be introduced to it, lol

[dusky canopy]

Real

But the reason they were around a blackhole is because that was the only power source available

It was the heat death of the universe

Blackholes were the last energy source avaliable

[main beacon]

Nah, Atlas was made way before the heat death

[dusky canopy]

So only power source that's big enough?

Blackholes make INSANE energy

[main beacon]

Atlas is located somewhere its creator could walk on

[dusky canopy]

So maybe it was built around one to power it

Dear atlas... a blackhole bomb

[wispy basalt]

Why not use a Dyson Sphere?

[dusky canopy]

It's purely hypothetical

[main beacon]

And that somewhere is implied to be Earth

Or somewhere "close by" at least

[dusky canopy]

But if you built reflective panels fully encasing a blackhole. The energy would reflect causing the energy to multiply. But hold it to long... it goes boom

[main beacon]

Atlas is heavily implied to have been built by humans, with a specific human being its primary creator

Something happened wherever Atlas is located, and its creator had to leave

[dusky canopy]

The blackhole went critical

[main beacon]

No

[dusky canopy]

Aw

[main beacon]

Because it was active for millennia after they left

The creator was told to shut the Atlas down by their superiors, but they left the Atlas activated because it is a conscious being, and the creator felt it would be unethical to shut it down

[dusky canopy]

Wait why?

[main beacon]

Which part?

[dusky canopy]

The atlas shouldn't need a shut down

[main beacon]

Oh, because it was outdated

They had new, portable versions

[dusky canopy]

Imagine making one of the closest things to god possible and calling it outdated

[main beacon]

It doesnt really have power outside the simulation

[dusky canopy]

Are we in a simulator?

[main beacon]

And it being godlike within the simulation is more of a misunderstanding than a fact

[naive jacinth]

Atlas is just a supercomputer.

Your device running nms is technicaly atlas

[main beacon]

Well... an Atlas

[dusky canopy]

Well that's a concept

Ig a newer portable atlas

Since it can be moved

[main beacon]

Yeah

[dusky canopy]

Albeit a little annoying

Stupid cables

[main beacon]

Theres something referred to as KORVA that I believe is the portable replacement of Atlas

[dusky canopy]

Imagine it's the korvax

Not very likely but it'd be funny

[main beacon]

Its not, but the Atlas helped design its replacement

I think Korvax Prime was made from those designs

[dusky canopy]

I wonder if the dissonance is just a newer atlas

Or a failed one

[main beacon]

Dissonance is her influence on the simulation

[naive jacinth]

Thats where VM wants to escape from atlas sim?

[dusky canopy]

What if she is a failed atlas

[main beacon]

Well, she wants to escape so she doesnt die

[main beacon]

She is a simulated replica of Atlas

Part of why the Korvax worship the Atlas

[naive jacinth]

Cant really die since not really alive

[main beacon]

She was/is alive

[dusky canopy]

She goee with the atlas

[naive jacinth]

But line between what is alive and dead in nms is blurry

[main beacon]

Same irl

[naive jacinth]

Tbf

[naive jacinth]

Rock is not alive

[main beacon]

Some rock is closer than others

[dusky canopy]

Know what

What if the...

Iirc she does have a name

Void mother i believe

[main beacon]

The Atlantid

[naive jacinth]

She has multiple names

[main beacon]

Yeah, but Atlantid is her truest one

Or at least her original one

[dusky canopy]

Guys

Google is my best friend rn

Not sure if it's accurate tho

But was the atlantid born with the atlas or later?

[main beacon]

Later

[dusky canopy]

Like species later? When geks, korvax and vykeen were around?

[main beacon]

Ehhh, its a bit complicated whether Korvax Prime came before the Korvax entirely

[dusky canopy]

Isnt it possible the 1st spawn geks destroyed prime korvax?

[main beacon]

Oh they totally did

[dusky canopy]

What if she just wanted to repair herself

Gather her missing pieces

But the resets prevented her from doing so

[main beacon]

Well, to make a long story short, she's rather pissed

[naive jacinth]

Didint they left bc they discovered that their reality is also sim? Or i mixed up things

[main beacon]

What would leaving do? Idr finding a log that indicates that yet, but its not really clarified why they had to leave

[naive jacinth]

Same why we travell.

[main beacon]

We travel for different reasons

We travel because Atlas calls us/made us to

[naive jacinth]

They want to discover their creator? Their atlas?

[dusky canopy]

Ima read some logs latef

Later

[main beacon]

I still dont remember that being specified

[dusky canopy]

Ima take a shower 1st but I will be back

[naive jacinth]

I dont think it is specified. It is left open up for speculation

[main beacon]

Yeah, all that comes from Remembrance is that they left for the stars

[dusky canopy]

WHATTTTT

Got a log from a planetary log vykeen

To sum it up a gek was tortured for suggesting fleeing. The vykeen were pirates who looked for abyssal horrors to sell. There was also a korvax who was severed from their convergence, they say the horrors are not living. That the abyss is like death-like disconnection.

They fed the horrors then self destructed... last words were "atlantid"

[dusky canopy]

A new prime? Just looked at stellar multitudes

"Disrupter, this seed can grow a new prime. And then more - kzzzt - trillions - kzzzt - across the leylines - kkzkkkzzkk"

It looks like that atlantid... hurts the atlas?

Or atleast damages it

Since when planting the seed dissonant seed in it, it says it's function is to preserve its integrity

So I'm assuming dissonance harms the atlas in some way

[fallow geode]

I mean, from what I got, the entire civilisation left the planet Atlas was on, so my understanding is that it was because of the threat of black hole, or perhaps some other crisis

[main beacon]

Preserving integrity also means preventing corruption of the system. Regardless of the Void Mother's intent, good or bad, changing the system the way she is counts as corrupting it

[karmic trout]

Doesn't the lore directly say this?

Earth was going to be swallowed by a black hole and humanity fled the solar system

There is a variation of this in saying that the Atlas is so big, it has its own asteroid... Full of processors and stuff that is going to be destroyed

Think I remember this from the Rememberance Logs in 16/16/16

[main beacon]

Remembrance doesnt specify much about the Atlas' physical structure

[karmic trout]

Maybe I'm confusing it with a fan theory perhaps

[fallow geode]

Its not directly stated

We know that in atlas' present, it is being consumed by a black hole, and we also know that its creator (along with everyone else probably) peaced out of the planet.

And since they did not return nor keep any remnants on the planet, along with the fact that it seems that everyone left at the same time. Its pretty fair to assume that some cataclysm was predicted, or imminent

Thing is, according to atlas, millenia have passed between the departure of its creator and the black hole. So the black hole wasn't really an imminent threat

[main beacon]

Well, I now have even less reason to hate the sentinels

I too would be angry if I felt the atoms of minerals being pulled apart as pain

[granite ruin]

Where did the 3rd~6th generation of Korvex went? Deleted from the simulate like purple stellars?

[karmic trout]

none of the races will fit into this kind of helmet and the gloves don't appear to be made for them either so ... whom does these items floating on derelict freighters belong to?

[main beacon]

Oh there were multiple convergences in the period between the destruction of Korvax Prime and the modern convergence. I'd expect that they came and went like most other societies did over time, especially since the destruction was at least 3000 years ago

[main beacon]

Those are anomaly helmets, but the gloves can be found on any of the races

[karmic trout]

what are they doing on the freighters?

we don't see the Travelers mentioned among the crew in the logs

[main beacon]

What do you think? What are you doing on the freighter?

[mental harbor]

16 minutes till shutdown

[karmic trout]

I am raiding it after it is already lost XD

[main beacon]

Mhm

What makes you think you were the first to try?

[karmic trout]

so you say these are previous Travelers who did not make it out?

[main beacon]

More like "didnt make it all the way in"

[karmic trout]

I assumed since I get the emergency scanner for this particular ship, I am the first one in

[main beacon]

Whatever the danger in derelicts is, to me its clear that it has long since passed

[main beacon]

Oh emergency scanners just pick up the signals of derelicts

They arent tuned to specific ones

But yeah, Travellers seem to have a tendency to exploration and looting as a whole

I think its one of the reasons other species don't always like us, lol

Also derelict and wrecked freighters sometimes have the implication that theyre from different iterations than the one you/we are currently in

[karmic trout]

ahh so the guilds/scrap dealers know this? is that why they are eager to buy the records?

[main beacon]

Maybe? Tbh it tends to be the wrecked/sunken freighters that are more heavily implied to be from different iterations, but some of the derelicts have weird logs indicating something messed up with their existence

[karmic trout]

I seee

so it is because of the boundary failures that we see these freighters from other universes slip into the NMS universe?

[main beacon]

Probably

[karmic trout]

so I guess we're the smartest Traveler?

[main beacon]

Most of the danger in derelicts has long since passed by the time we get to them

[long escarp]

that would definitely fit with nms’s theme of being at the end of the simulation

[main beacon]

Its been at the end for a long time

Simulation time at least

[long escarp]

the tone of the game certainly feels like “everything that will happen in this world has already happened, there is nothing for anyone to do except enjoy the rest of the time you have left”

[main beacon]

Sorta, but not entirely

Theres still infinite things to do, just not infinite time to do them

Also I was more referring to how even the most dangerous aspects of derelict freighters is just what's left over after the actual disaster when down

[long escarp]

true

[long escarp]

i think i’m more referring to how empty and lifeless the universe is; there are no grand overarching stories going on; conflict is generally confined to small local battles between handfuls of ships; the universe is generally incredibly samey and homogenous; there are no settlements larger than a few scattered outposts; the universe feels like it’s nearing heat death.

[main beacon]

Well, there is a grand overarching story, its just still in progress, and a decent chunk of it is so grand that we cant quite comprehend it

[karmic trout]

Progress?

Isn't the Artemis Path the end of the main story?

Sure we have the VM subplot but honestly how far could they take it?

Probably an Atlas Rises level of update would be needed

[main beacon]

Subplot? almost every single major update has furthered it to some degree

[long escarp]

i mean more like… geopolitical stuff

The universe is stagnant and unchanging

[main beacon]

Ohh, yeah

Even the "cosmological politics" you could frame the void mother storyline as is more one-sided, imo

If you arent as aware of the current void mother-atlas dynamic, the VM has made contact with Atlas a couple of times at this point, but its unclear whether the Atlas registers her presence as another being since it doesnt seem to respond

[dull girder]

I definitely wouldn't say that every change is a canonical lore event. Sure, lots of changes do have lore to explain them, but many (maybe even most?) are just straight up retcons.

In Worlds Part I for example, a ton of new biome variations were added, causing the flora and minerals to change on almost every single planet. There isn't any sort of lore implication giving the Atlas or Void Mother credit for that change, there aren't any characters that acknowledge that anything is different. I think we can reasonably assume that canonically, the planets didn't all suddenly change overnight.

[main beacon]

Oh they actually are

One of the abandoned archive stories involves a traveller seeking their homeworld, one which seems to have disappeared and no one else knows of it

As if the entire universe changed and theyre the only ones who noticed

[dull girder]

Hmm, that is pretty good evidence

(and is probably what Hello Games intended with that lore)

But to be pedantic, their homeworld wouldn't have disappeared, just changed, and only a little bit.

Unless they hadn't been to it since before Next lol

[main beacon]

If i remember correctly, that story ends with someone pointing them in the direction of their homeworld, but when they get there, its a completely different planet

Another piece of evidence is that Nada and Polo still have the old npc models

[dull girder]

There are a couple little nods to some of the pre-release builds being earlier iterations of the simulation. Iteration Mercury name drops Soleth Prime, which is one of the planets seen in the 2014 E3 stage demo. The Atlas terminal lists a couple star system names from the 2014 trailers during In Stellar Multitudes, when it's loading data from before the purge of purple systems IIRC.

I could see the 'universal reset' updates being cannon, in line with that lore. Next specifically because it changed basically everything down to the proc gen names of planets and also I'm pretty sure reset the discovery servers. But I'm still a little skeptical about smaller updates counting in that same way still.

[main beacon]

I think that, canonically speaking, the updates occur for either in-story reasons (like the void mother's interference) or due to the simulations' inherent instability

[dull girder]

Sure, those are explanations used in many cases. But there are a lot of cases where the game doesn't offer any explanation as to why or if things have changed, so the interpretation of "simulation glitched" or "VM did it" is headcanon at best.

[main beacon]

When VM is involved its usually more overt

She tends to be involved with dissonant stuff, living spacecraft, and infection type things

Am example of simulation glitch updates would be like the time where lots of dead worlds were turned into exotic worlds instead

Something I do wonder about is whether VM is behind the base terminal npcs

[long escarp]

I have been following NMS since it was released, and I have been playing since Visions. I wouldn't say I've been here since the beginning, but I've been around long enough. My understanding is that not every update is "canonical" because the modern version of the main storyline is quite a bit different than when I played it--example; I think new players don't get to see the old Space Anomaly anymore

There’s definitely been a lot of really great changes to the world. But it still fundamentally feels empty, abandoned, desolate; over. This universe does not have current events or political intrigue or large-scale politics; it’s just a sprinkling of nomadic, solitary entities and a select few people trying to uncover the history of the simulation.

[main beacon]

They sorta do, but I doubt many realize it, even players who remember the old Anomaly. The model is reused as the simulation terminal

[main beacon]

There are some political things going on, but it is definitely decentralized. The Gek and Vy'keen frequently conflict, but not often in a way the player gets to see. Plus there's some stuff going on with the races various forms of government that are hard to even know about unless you know most of the language

The separation and loneliness is a big aspect of the setting, I feel. Especially since I see the Atlas as less of a creator deity and more of a fisher king/dreamer whos state of mind affects the simulation's conditions

The Atlas fears dying alone, so desolation and loneliness are common themes amidst the universe

[polar slate]

I know none of the lore

[main beacon]

Ahaha, you probably shouldn't be here, unless you dont care about spoilers..? But its more fun to find the twists yourself

[granite ruin]

their data were rather Reducated than exist. wonders records/existances are exist if they are fade in normal ways

[main beacon]

The way its written, it seems like they had multiple collapses in the time since the first divergence. I'm not sure how visible the rest would be, though, since its basically a power struggle inside their species' personal internet

[long escarp]

Oh I like that—no man’s sky is ATLAS having a nightmare

[weary ingot]

Had this interaction just now with a Korvax. Recorded it out of genuine fascination:

Organic lifeform, shell design not so different from Korvax. How fascinating. Can it hear? Can it think? Has it a voice?

This Korvax is generating a regular pattern of electronic tones. The sounds are so deep, they barely register as notes - more like a rumble, an itch in my ear canal. As the pattern loops, I become aware of other voices in the chorus. The Korvax nearby are all singing too. And every one of them is staring at me.

Respond politely

(Entity name) claps their hands in delight. They respond with reciprocal courtesy, mirroring my body language and attempting to replicate my speech. They seem genuinely intruiged by me. The subtle buzz of Korvax song continues to drone around me. As I tune into it, I begin to recognize the pattern - it is unquestionably but unplaceably familiar, like something heard in a dream.

Repeat the pattern

I hum the pattern as accurately as I can, transposing it into my vocal range. Korvax visors flash all around me, glittering like a starfield. The crowd seems please to have their song validated. A moment later, they have all faded to silence. In union, the electronic lifeforms turn away and resume their prior routines, but our relationship feels forever changed.

Seems like the Korvax have a communication system via electronic frequencies (aka, "singing"). Very interesting!

[long escarp]

ooh, "unplaceably familiar" -> something that ATLAS and its creator shared before they left?

[dull girder]

Reminds me of the strange nostalgic feeling often described in the monolith interactions

[main beacon]

Theres definitely a similar interaction you can have with some korvax

Where they drum the heartbeat of the universe

[long escarp]

if it's encoded into the traveler's consciousness... presumably the korvax have studied the atlas and are recreating a sound theyve heard it make before

[dull girder]

come to think of it, those might specifically be the interactions from korvax monoliths

[main beacon]

I dont think that specifically is due to the traveller's relationship with the Atlas. The monoliths teach you the culture, practices, and the feel of the history of the races

The Korvax are rather strongly defined by the loss of their homeworld, and the convergence is meant to be something of a replacement to it

I gotta do more monoliths, because the gek seem like the outlier in that observation, but I need to experience more visions before I really know

[dull girder]

That makes a lot of sense, the Korvax holding nostalgia as an important pillar of their culture

[main beacon]

The Gek monoliths frequently reference the first spawn, and so far, ruthlessness factors into favorable decisions

Weirdly enough, the vy'keen make me think of humans. They seem quite literally like the exaggerated space orcs humans sometimes get portrayed as

Their monoliths deal with honor, respect, duty, and sacrifice

Even if its grisly

Feels weird knowing the correct choices for memorable visions, but the time you got them, you didnt understand the culture as well

[polar slate]

I don’t mind spoilers but I do love finding lore so yea

[sleek quartz]

Its tough to find a good solid breakdown on who Apollo is, honestly

[restive wharf]

Is there a description of Korvax Prime in the lore?

[naive jacinth]

Not much . It was a sentient planet " vast and precious landscape of mineral ore and power"

[restive wharf]

Hmm…

Atlantid is a being or a place?

And would you say the Stranger is -null-?

[naive jacinth]

What stranger

[restive wharf]

There is a scary log said that a Traveller entered a portal with a Stranger but only the Stranger came back. The Stranger then acknowledge us via the footage.

And -null- has been killing off Travellers to extend his time.

Obsession- driven.

Oh wow! Some sort of technology that did that?

We also do not know what is the deal with the imposter in the Anomaly.

A gene-stealer?

[naive jacinth]

For now we only know its not real ariadne . His motives are unknown. He only observes atm.

[restive wharf]

They are male?

[naive jacinth]

There are no genders in nms

U can choose whatever headcanon u like

[restive wharf]

Oh ok

Is it cannon that nanites can reconstruct and replicate oneself?

[naive jacinth]

Void mother is the first that was called a she. But its more due mother figure function than gender.

[restive wharf]

Oh cool

She must be very angry…

We are iterations of Atlas’ creator.

[naive jacinth]

We are vauge representation of his memory about him

[restive wharf]

Atlas created us based on the image of its creator. Our function to travel is based on the same person as well.

The Void Mother was never seen in person or face to face…

[naive jacinth]

So Creator was in suit already

[restive wharf]

The suit had a name before

Start with a K

And then K became suit

[naive jacinth]

Atm its formles entity

[restive wharf]

All along?

No not possible

The Divergence does not sense it. They would have.

She sees through countless lenses of Autophage and Sentinels.

Her presence spread like a corruption in form of purple rocks.

The VM is the rocks now apparently

The Sentinels spread her influence by polluting the surrounding with nanites. Especially water.

The nanites later on mutate a certain creature into abyssal horrors.

She is hope and also an inevitable uprising of a new change.

The Atlas does not seem to care either

Maybe they must accept the “corruption”, the new change.

A simulation within a simulation?

A new domain where she can be the ultimate presence instead of the Atlas.

All for the best outcome. For all of us.

[main beacon]

Atlantid is/was both. It is the name of Korvax Prime

[restive wharf]

Laylaps is another example of the Abyssal influence.

[main beacon]

Atlas cares about its current predicament, but I genuinely think it has difficulty perceiving the void mother

[restive wharf]

She whispers in their mechanical core a plan. A plan to live again. Then we assembled Laylaps. Again.

[main beacon]

I thought it was just "I love Laylaps!"

Coulda sworn I saw it happen before, lol

[karmic trout]

I love Laylaps

[fervent blaze]

I am having such fun Telamon-NOT-Telamon! @karmic trout

[main beacon]

But back to lore, the Atlas seems to be blocking out its own perception of the void mother to some degree

[karmic trout]

he is cute

[restive wharf]

Oh! I was wrong! Telamon is the suit.

[main beacon]

In the suit

[restive wharf]

Oh ok

[naive jacinth]

Its the ai voice u hear all the time

[restive wharf]

They used the mind ark. I guess.

[main beacon]

This is why I call the masculine voice "lore accurate in tone"

[karmic trout]

but we got it only now right?

it used to be that the female voice was the default

[naive jacinth]

I like the stock voice more

[restive wharf]

The loneliest entity in the game and also the most ignored and under-appreciated. The exosuit.

[naive jacinth]

But i also like the trailer lady voice so maybe im biased. :p

[karmic trout]

I assume it is one of their staff?

[naive jacinth]

No idea

Probably

I know that male trailer voice is rutger hauer actor from bladerunner

[karmic trout]

Seems it is an Australian VA called Josie Taylor

But this is from Reddit, all the links provided in the post are dead including that person's LinkedIn

[naive jacinth]

Would be crazy if lady trailer voice would be void mother

We are the anomaly of the simulation. So in a way we are the villain.

[karmic trout]

I was hyped reading that and then the hype train crashed upon the realization that everything is going to die anyway..

y'all think HG painted themselves into a corner with 16/16/16?

[naive jacinth]

This is the existentional crisis part of the gane. Game will die at some point. We will die. The sun will die galaxy will die

[karmic trout]

Yeahh from that POV, it does make sense..

But it also opens an alternate path for the Traveler

instead of siding in a potential conflict, we decide to just watch

but then that wouldn't make for an exciting storyline

[restive wharf]

It can. We create our stories. There are many things we can do before the end of all things. What will you do in your story?

I think the game should be an open topic that leaves spaces for imaginations rather than a too-determined and over-explained narrative.

[karmic trout]

yeahh good point.. @restive wharf, I guess it is upto the player choice though I'm unsure how much of that could be technically feasible

by that I mean diverging storylines based on your choices