nms-lore

[modest void]

That's my mental image

I can't...know any of this, right

I'm interpreting/speculating

[wispy basalt]

nms devs probably think cryptic = better

🥀

[modest void]

I don't think that's fair

You don't have to think "Cryptic is better" if you're just, in the mood to be making something cryptic

I mean it's a lore mystery they've slowly developed over years, right

[wispy basalt]

That would kinda explain why Ariadne is used as the password to unlock Sentinel Pillars whenever we access them. I totally forgot about that until recently when I stumbled upon one on a high security planet.

[modest void]

Yeah I think she's a sentinel

Though that's uh...inherited as a theory from someone else and I can't actually remember the reasoning

So...low confidence

[ebon scroll]

So like where did korvax come from

[orchid pike]

Korvax prime

[ebon scroll]

Hyy

Huh

Sooo who made then

Them

[orchid pike]

Atlas

[ebon scroll]

Oh

[obtuse ravine]

Are we us or are we our suit

[willow adder]

Both. The suit has its own AI, see boundary terminals for it's story. We are a different entity, see rememberence terminals for that story.

[low pelican]

Hey, this is probably asked before :
I am a bit confused on sentinels and corrupted sentinels. What I learned is that the normal sentinels will attack anyone that did anything similar to what the Firstborn Gek did.
What about the corrupted sentinels? Why do they attck travellers ?
Is the void mother against us travellers ? If the Sentinel can go anywhere in an instant, why dont they "purge" all corrupted sentinels ? Aren't they both enemies to each other ?

[elfin escarp]

The corrupted sentinels are actually an easy question to answer, you've seen the autophage, they're what happens to korvax when exposed to atlantideum. It essentially rewrites their code. So a similar process is occurring in reference to the sentinels/the aerons. They can be seen harvesting/cultivating the radiant shards and atlantideum, seemingly to further their "corruption" process. The only time I've seen the corrupted sentinels attacking me is when I've interrupted the self-same process I've just described. I'd say the reason they don't "purge" them as you say is because they cannot differentiate between themselves and the corrupted, as mentioned in some dialog while doing In Stellar Multitudes, the Atlas and the Void are actually the same entity, just different parts of the same machine. I hope that this helps! This was all just to the best of my understanding

[low pelican]

Thanks ! I thought the Void mother is the opposite of Atlas eventhough they are the same being. Like if love and hate had a physical form or Authoritarism and Anarchism

[viscid axle]

I find it so funny that travellers asking questions to the Atlas will just absolutely get their minds obliterated with all kinds of shit by the big red gumball lol

[proven wren]

the atlas is aware that we are players and we exist outside of it's reality?

[thorny ginkgo]

I am the Atlas

[iron beacon]

Thanks for the 2 warps cells and 642 nanites

[wind ice]

dont forget to grab the words while youre there if you havent already 😛

[wind ice]

nah thats just straight up smashing through the 4th wall

[maiden scroll]

The Atlas always seems to talk to the last traveller, and not to us the player. Telamon is fully aware about you, the player, though.

[viscid axle]

HYPOTHETICALLY. If I shot a Korvax or an Autophage. Would they feel the pain?

[meager gull]

I feel like korvax would in some way

But autophage built themselves out of scrap which means they can probably easily replace parts so I think they wouldn’t

[spark spire]

I hired a Gek for a quest on some research machine, it said that the Korvax had suffered a lot from them. Im curious about this interaction, can anyone tell me more about the Korvax lore?

[rancid violet]

Gonna collect more Base Archives lore

[rancid violet]

Basically the Korvax and their homeworld got destroyed by thr Gek's ancestor's: The First Spawn. Back then, the Gek were RUTHLESS. They were a colossally strong empire. They melted down Korvax Prime, the Korvax Homeworld, all for profit and took the surviving Korvax as slaves. This eventually all stopped when the Korvax overthrew them by pouring Nanite Clusters into the First Spawn's spawning pools. Over time and learning about Atlas, the First Spawn crumbled, turning the Gek more into a docile, peaceful race that wants to sell and trade

The Sentinels couldnt stop the First Spawn because of Hirk and the Vy'keen's conquest to go to war with them

The Vy'keen basically left a big, fat wide opening and the First Spawn took it

[spark spire]

SERIOUSLY? I was at a trade station, that said that the history of Gek is nowhere to be found, and no Gek remembers

[rancid violet]

Seriously.

[spark spire]

In the actual "present" di they really know?

[rancid violet]

A lot of Korvax died when Prime was destroyed too

[rancid violet]

According to a Colossal Archive I read, they refuse to learn

A few remember though, I think

[spark spire]

So they could know about all that happened but they refuse

[rancid violet]

But yeah, Nanite Clusters was basically the solution between the Gek and Korvax oppression

[spark spire]

Are they some sort of a spider?

Never questioned that

[rancid violet]

No. Nanite Clusters are a swarm of little machines that can change and alter anything

Thats why the Sentinels contaminate the water through the multiverse

They have a...plan...

[spark spire]

What are they doin?

[rancid violet]

Carrying out the will of Atlantid

[spark spire]

Manny questions about the lore, i know almost nothing

[rancid violet]

Or should I say, the new Korvax Prime

[spark spire]

Kinda new to the game

[spark spire]

😮

[rancid violet]

When Korvax Prime was destroyed, it died, yes. But somehow, she became something new. Atlantid.

And Korvax Prime was the initial Convergeance, mind you

So all those minds died, yet became something more

She sings and screams

The Sentinels and Autophage hear her

[spark spire]

Thats why the robot sentinel pet thing says GLASS glass GLASS?

[rancid violet]

Kinda

Archiving everything to The World of Glass is Atlantid's and the Sentinel's solution

Their solution for when Atlas dies, everything can be brought back

Like one big backup hard-drive

It also functions as an afterlife of sorts

[spark spire]

And the Atlas? What it is exactly?

I saw it has its own language

[rancid violet]

The reason we live. It is an artificial intelligence that simulates life and universes

It was abandoned by its creators

It is revered as a god to Gek and Korvax

The sentinels are its servants

Angels of Glass, the Korvax call them

When Korvax Prime died that day, the Sentinels heard her screaming in pain.

It mortified them so much that they decided to change their directive. Record all sounds and sights. Anything related to mining would be eliminated. There would not be a repeat of the Korvax Prime's death

Once refered to as Aerons, they then became known as Sentinels

[spark spire]

So, they serve the Korvax Prime, but also work together with the Atlas?

[rancid violet]

No

The Sentinels that work for Atlantid severed their connection to Atlas

These are the Corrupted Sentinels

But granted, The Hive "the heart of the sentinels" kinda does both

[spark spire]

The corupted are the ones, thats why when u mine around them, they becone hostile

[rancid violet]

Even non-corrupted ones attack. Its just that Corrupted ones serve Atlantid

Thats even why they look different

[spark spire]

ATLANTEDIUM

[rancid violet]

Yup

[spark spire]

AAAAAAAA

[rancid violet]

Its a sign of her

[spark spire]

You blown my mind

Im in pieces

[rancid violet]

Thats why Autophage like Atlantideum and Purple Lattice

Its traces of her. Her second coming

[spark spire]

This Autophage, i don t know about it

[spark spire]

PHOENIX

[rancid violet]

They were Korvax who diverged from the Convergeance

They chose to become "independent"

So they were ejected

Causing them to be broken pieces of scrap

Giving their circuits Atlantideum allows them to move and rebuild their shells

Think of Atlantideum as like a special electrical current

It reacts to all matter of machines

[spark spire]

The dead guys that u find at the broken sentinel ships and around? THE SIXTH, THE FOURTH

[rancid violet]

It spells out VOID MOTHER

In binary code

Void Mother is Atlantid

Another name for her

[spark spire]

Crazy

[rancid violet]

Every binary string gave out a letter

[spark spire]

I love this plot twists

[rancid violet]

V-O-I-D M-O-T-H-E-R

Yeah. Since the last major update, we helped Atlantid recover the purple disonant star systems. What happens next? Who can say?

[spark spire]

WHOOO

Wait

So u say

The lore is going on?

With every update?

[rancid violet]

Yeah. No Man's Sky is always updating

Always changing

[spark spire]

I love it even more

[rancid violet]

I kinda imagine it like Fortnite/Minecraft. Every update has new story/lore

Its implied that Atlantid could pretty much be the "next" Atlas

Since its dying and now this Void Mother shows up

Even the name Abyss refers to her

So its Void Mother/Atlantid/Abyss

[spark spire]

Well

About the sentinels, the normal ones

When u go and deactivate them temporarily

They say about the Voice Of The Hive

They lose conection bc of that pillar

[rancid violet]

Or if a Sentinel Walker has been deafeated, but yes. Its like a control panel

[spark spire]

So

They have that, but the corupted ones?

[rancid violet]

Voice of the Hive is a way for the Sentinels to talk to you

Their "Hivemind"

[rancid violet]

They are severed from the Hive

[spark spire]

Just after u beat the last wave?

[rancid violet]

No. They just stop attacking.

Remember, Atlantid allows them to be independent. Like Autophage

They dont need a Hivemind

[spark spire]

Aaaaaaaaa

So, they are independent, and still follow her

[rancid violet]

Yes

She basically gave them free will

[spark spire]

That's true devotion right there

[spark spire]

So cool

[rancid violet]

And basically won them over with a plan to save the simulation

[spark spire]

So

When she "Died"

The Atlas got control over?

And now that the Atlas dies, its a risk to the Simulation?

So she needs to take control back to save it

[rancid violet]

Not exactly. Atlas still has control over everything, but is dying. Atlantid has about as much influence as Atlas though

[rancid violet]

Sort of

Its more like she'll use the Glass to preserve the simulation

But there is another part of the Void Mother's plan, too.

[spark spire]

MORE?

Insane

[rancid violet]

The Sentinels need to talk to Telamon

For some reason

Probably because Telamon was part of Atlas's sub-routine

To prevent rampancy and self-destruction

And the Sentinels may need Telamon for either permission or cooperation for their plan

They even offer Telamon its original directive, which would be preventing (presumably Atlantid) from going rampant or seeking self-destruction

[spark spire]

Wow

[rancid violet]

Better yet, and this is just a theory: Atlantid could be a reincarnation of Atlas

[spark spire]

Speechless

[rancid violet]

Its also worth noting that Atlas in the current age isn't even what it used to be. Back when it was in its prime condition, it could create all MANNER of life-forms. But as it aged and degraded, those numbers of races dwindled down to four. Vy'keen, Gek, Korvax, and Traveler

[spark spire]

So

Wait

If the Atlantid gets control over

Will she be in sort of a Prime again?

Or at the same condition at the Atlas?

I mean, i think, would she be able to create more? Less? Or will she just keep it the way it is?

[wraith socket]

is there more lore to find besides the language and the story?

if so how can i find it?

[dull girder]

A bunch of the structures have lore: the Boundary Failures on exotic worlds, the Colossal Archives have race specific lore, there's the terminals in Abandoned Buildings, the Remembrance Terminals behind the locked doors in the abandoned space stations, obviously there's lore in the Monoliths, Plaques and Ruins for each race...

probably more I'm not thinking of

[sinful relic]

Logs from crashed freighters

[meager gull]

Most poi’s have some form of lore

[naive jacinth]

Catalouge - colected knowledge has the lore logs. If after last log there are " * * * " that means u got them all in that category.

[rancid violet]

Wonder what Autophage do after they finish rebuilding their shells. Help other Autophage?

[rancid violet]

You get unlocked titles too

But yeah, the 3 diamonds are a helpful indicator

Still gotta get all the Derelict logs and colossal archive entries

Giv me all the loreeee

[modest void]

Crashed freighter logs. The boundary failure terminals on glitch planets. Colossal archives of the three main species. Remembrance terminal logs. Traveler grave messages. The monolith records. Abandoned building logs.

I'm probably forgetting some.

There's also several stories and side quests with lore, so don't think you're done when you're just done with the "main" one.

There's also lore in the expeditions sometimes, when they came around.

[wispy basalt]

There‘s lore everywherrrreeee! Prepare to overdose!

[modest void]

There's really rather a lot of lore, yeah.

[wispy basalt]

Yes, and we might get another chunk soonish! Here‘s hoping, even though my brain is currently not ready for more of it!

[modest void]

Ehehehe, well, when I check out the new stuff I'll be sure to give any fresh interpretations I have

[rancid violet]

Wait a minute...

Remember how Artemis said they got pursued by people with seeds of glass in their skin? I wonder... What is Artemis met the Families of Glass

The Base Archive lore describes a similar occurence

Laylaps nearly got killed by them and they were about to kill Laylaps' traveler

But the Families of Glass don't sound like Sentinels. They sound like something else. Something terrifying

Maybe they're like the Grim Reapers of No Man's Sky

They kill and cut into the physical forms of people, leaving behind their souls, their Echoes

But to explain their role as part of a simulation and glass storage archive... Maybe they function like some sort of data transfer execution? Or maybe they can reformat the living into dead?

[wispy basalt]

Families of glass could be the prognitor races who the Atlas stopped simulating as it slowly broke down, basically „deleting“ them. Given that the world of glass is akin to a data archive/backup this would make sense and work better with those beings being able to „maliciously grin“.

I think we also interact with some of them during the Cursed, but it‘s been a while since I played that expedition.

[modest void]

This is the consensus position, I believe.

My theory, personally, is that the families of glass are long past species or individuals in the archives who seek to return to the main simulation.

[wispy basalt]

I wonder if the seeds of glass are just data bits or something similar, even though their description makes them seem more complex.

There‘s a log which says something about the aformentioned beings being able to speak languages they should not be able to, likely because they have implanted knowledge from the world of glass onto themselves, maybe in form of those seeds.

And I also don‘t think that the world of glass is functioning as intended with those beings seeminly having so much control over it, maybe the reason for that is the Atlas breaking down, even though the world of glass should be like a seperate hard drive from it.

[spark spire]

I have a question

Somewhere in the beginning, when u encounter an ancient struncture u get asked if "Have they seen the crimson eye? Has the crimson seen them?" Is that Atlantid? Or Atlas? Im lost

Im sure the Crimson eye is Atlas, but who asked?

[final spire]

I was doing that mission today, but i guess it is something like the soul of an old explorer or an anomaly one

If u Remember, Nada (crew from the space anomaly) asked similar questions like "Is It First? Is It last? Is It friend? Is It anomaly?"

[wispy basalt]

Is it first or last most likely refers to the fact that we are the last of the travellers, but technically speaking all travellers are the same person, so we ought to also be the first, tho not literally

We are the last iteration of the traveller (or rather anomaly) so to speak

but at the core, we are no different than the others, including the first one

[spark spire]

I was thinking if somehow in that interaction, given the fact it was a monolith, it could've been Atlantid who spoke

[dull girder]

Its Nada and Polo

That mission was made well before the Atlantid was part of the story anyway, but that moment specifically is the space anomaly finding you

[teal lion]

I completed the Artemis Path last night, I wish I knew it breaks literally every component in your exosuit, ship and multitool 😭

Also no clue if this is the right channel for that, I just was worried it might be considered spoilers

[wispy basalt]

I think this is a very essential experience to have tbh

Black holes also used to do this, but they are more kind now 😇

[rancid violet]

Hmm could be possible. But why start harming living travelers? Is that their way of trying to force their way back into the simulation?

[rancid violet]

Thats not possible. The diagnostic I performed on Atlas in my playthrough said that Glass was operational. Unless if the "simulated" glass is the part thats deteriorating

I read something interesting that stuck out to me

"If a computer is on fire, what good are prayers that are made of data?"

Very symbolic of how useless it is for Atlas to try to find a solution to its breakdown within its simulated purpose

I just wonder... How many layers or rather "domains" does this simulation have? The simulation itself is one layer, the World of Glass, a layer below that. But then, what layer does Atlas operate from? I'd assume it would be the layer above the simulation. A greater plane. A place where code and instruction begin their writing into law.

Sean, we need a lore diagram lol

[rancid violet]

Seeds of Glass are also that craftable item, but whether these seeds are linked to those, I have no idea

But if I recall, those seeds were referred to as packets of data

[wispy basalt]

The families of glass get mentioned in the Sentinel Pillar logs, wherein it is stated that one of the Abyss‘ goals is to recreate the creator. Given the way this is worded later on („all travellers shall be one again“, something along those lines) it‘s likely that all travellers are being merged into one to try and achieve just that. It is pretty clear that the Abyss has been capturing Travellers for a while, with the help of Telamon sometimes.

So it is plausible that the families of glass are working together with the Sentinels and the Void Mother in order to achieve that.

But perhaps they have also just become corrupted and are actually „evil“, they have after all access to knowledge of things and such they supposedly shouldn‘t have, speaking languages not fitting their tongues etc. Not to mention that their deletion might have been quite a traumatic event.

The Cursed definitely didn‘t do them any favors in making them seem friendly and pretty much every pov on them we have gotten so far, has made them appear as rather malicious beings. It is also clear that some parties are not so fond of travellers, blaming them for their suffering, as we are basically the atlas creator themselves, who is responsible for this mess in their eyes.

[modest void]

It's a means to and end, I think, perhaps as a way to escape the overall system and find a way into the reality above the Atlas. To "Escape". I I think the seeds of glass implanted let them hook into the infrastructure and become "more than archived data" and instead tie themself to the system running the archive.

[rancid violet]

All of that is definitely plausible. Those Traveler graves must be part of their doing. All of those glitches of data become part of their aquisition

I wonder if at this point in the lore, if Atlantid could be referred to as a cosmic siren. Given the accounts of her singing. Her voice, calling and beckoning

[dull girder]

Wanted to take the time to translate all the text on the new space suit

"CLASSIC" (big text on the front of life support unit, gloves and pants)

"C SPACES[?][?][?]" (text on the side of the backpack) The first unknown letter looks like it could be a U that's cut off, meaning this might be meant to say 'SPACESUIT'

"D. COV:C" (nametag thing on the shirt that's normally covered by the armour, you have to clip through in photomode to even see it)

Additionally, there is what looks like text on the back of the helmet and on the shoulder patch, but they don't match with the normal NMS alphabet. The nametag could be written with that alphabet as well since even though all the symbols on it match with the normal alphabet, it just makes gibberish

[minor saddle]

Does anyone know what Apollo is saying when they speak in their native language?

“Aun ciygn rim darwa, ienn. Aun umer ciygn spar umer.”

And is this a substitution cypher or did HG actually conlang this?

16 in the ceaser cypher brings up gibberish btw, but that would’ve been a cute solution

[ebon garden]

DeepL (translation app) doesn't recognize it so it's possibly conlang

[minor saddle]

Taking a closer look online I found someone claiming that “aun” may be a stand in for “I”! Really interesting if true, fingers crossed this isn’t just gibberish

My best guess is that he’s saying something similar to “ad astra per aspera” but that’s just a hunch

[ebon garden]

Difficult to say, but perhaps it's a contextual language like Mando'a. The only phrase my brain is suggesting for the second sentence is "I am as you are", but obviously I have no evidence for that.

[minor saddle]

That does kind of make sense, he is our traveller kin after all

Still unsatisfied with that answer though

[ebon garden]

Well, no, nevermind. Because the first sentence wouldn't begin with "I as", so my suggestion doesn't make sense.

[minor saddle]

Hoping this won’t get buried before someone figures it out

“Ciygn” strikes me as meaning “look” or “search”

“Aun search rim darwa, ienn. Aun umer search spar umer”

[ebon garden]

So maybe "I search for" or "I seek the [something]"...

[minor saddle]

Atlas? Purpose?

Stars?

[ebon garden]

I can't remember which person Apollo was 🤔 I remember Artemis and Null.

[minor saddle]

Apollo was the glowing orange cyborg

[ebon garden]

Ohhh okay. I remember him now.

[minor saddle]

By far my favourite traveller, there’s so much potential story to him

[ebon garden]

It could also be a translation difficulty; this phrase translated to another language wouldn't necessarily have the same number of words. Kind of like when translating between German and English.

[minor saddle]

Just gotta figure out what the hell darwa means

[minor saddle]

Schadenfreude or whatever

That’s what HG feels when they see us try to figure out what the gibberish they left in their game means

[ebon garden]

Yes 😂

[minor saddle]

Might see if any of my buddies are into conlang, I hope we can nail this one down, I think this is the only time a traveller speaks in their native tongue in game

[polar bronze]

Did they add new base computer logs?

[dull girder]

That may actually be one of the otherwise unused alien languages. IIRC there are two Traveller ones and a Sentinel one.

No that they were added for any specific purpose, it's just that the game is set up so every defined 'race' has a procedural language.

[teal lion]

idk if this is a dumb question, but is it possible there will ever be more intelligent species in NMS apart from the gek, korvax and vy'keen? i would love to come across a sprawling town or city and walk around the streets and into bars and other buildings and come across diverse species all with unique looks, personalities, traits etc. i ask this because it seems the lore kind of dictates it can only ever be the 3 we have now, a reflection of the atlas computer "dying" or whatever, but idk personally i get pretty bored with only 3 intelligent species, and no matter how far you go they will always be there...

[sinful relic]

We already have a 4th with the Autophage, I wouldn't rule out more in the future.

[teal lion]

does the autophage count though? aren’t they just like primitive korvax?

[sinful relic]

Their own language, lore, settlements, appearances for the modifier. They def count

[teal lion]

yeah i guess that’s true

[minor saddle]

Really wish it could be decoded

[dull girder]

Do you have any of the English text on hand from that same interaction? If the game is actually translating Apollo's words into a procedural language then what he's saying should be stored in the game files in English.

[minor saddle]

shit i wish

it's from pretty late in the questline

i know that he asks you a question which you answer yes or no to, either answer leading to a different statement in his supposed native langauge

something about life being more than units i believe

i did complete that part of the quest at the same time i posted my question so it was rather late and my brain was kinda fried

[pale anvil]

How does an autophage even begin to exist

They build themselves but what comes before that

How do you start to build yourself

Are Autophage korvaxes that have been severed from the like hivemind because of atlantideum?

[lethal dove]

My theory is the autophage is just old Korvax

[pale anvil]

I mean yeah that is the lore, they were korvax

[distant quarry]

Don't they often start with Sentinel parts? I thought they started as broken sentinel bots with Atlantidium infused into them, then they build from there

[silver loom]

So with the corvettes now in the game, I'm starting to wonder

who, or what, makes the ships?

the boring answer would be "Atlas generates them and from the NPCs' perspective those ships were always there" but i'd hope a complex simulation of an entire universe down to individual elements would take the time to make shipyards, or corporations, or something

But, circling back, has anything been stated in lore either way?

[dull girder]

Corvettes have weird implications - we source the parts from salvageable scrap which I'm pretty sure are canonically confirmed as being crashed satellites

But there are references to starship manufacturing in a few item descriptions

So it's definitely happening somewhere, just out of sight

[naive jacinth]

And that is a shame thay game world didint explain their sudden existance. They just are. First corvette mission coild have some mini story lilke with the first sentinel that we get.

[dull girder]

I don't think it would make much sense to acknowledge that corvettes suddenly appeared. If anything the lore should just be that they've existed the whole time

[naive jacinth]

But only we have a corvette. No other npc have it.

[last frigate]

Maybe they can explain it away as some software breakthrough?

[sinful relic]

Maybe the expedition will cover that

[gloomy quest]

Corvettes are designed for groups of people while NPCS usually travel alone, so they'd never really need one would be my guess

[naive jacinth]

I hope corvettes and other elements will be better integrated with the game world in the future.

[jagged axle]

I wonder if it's more remnants of what the universe used to be like

We know the simulation has been degrading and cities aren't a thing anymore, there's less species etc so certain ship designs might have been forgotten too

[safe sky]

Agree and they should also update the storyline to be less boring repetitive and disappointing while integrating the corvettes Into storyline quests think about what they can do they already know how to add ai that follows your ship so they know what to do and they can create custom Corvette missions that you maybe go help an npc or he comes with you

[gilded dagger]

they should let you get a crew for your corvette that buffs you

[safe sky]

Agreed

[haughty chasm]

They should add manual weapons, so your friend helps you to fight pirates or frigates on the new corvette ships
Or new co op mode with corvette only like if you know barotrauma so something like that

[radiant crow]

I am confused with the glyphs. What are the 16 glyphs for?

During artemis mission i used the portal twice. Once before I had the 16 glyphs, once afterwards.

[dull girder]

Portals work differently outside of the Artemis mission. Instead of just activating the portals to go through, you have to input an address using the glyphs. You can only use the glyphs that you've learned, so once you have them all it essentially gives you the ability to fast travel to any other planet within your current galaxy

[radiant crow]

gotcha. its just odd why could I use it before knowing the other glyphs

i knew 6, then had to use the portal during artemis mission, then afterwards learned the glyphs then used the portal again

thats why i was confused. looks like a plothole

[dull girder]

I don't remember exactly how the mission plays out, but I think the idea lore-wise is that the portals can be used without the glyphs but because they're so unpredictable and unstable it's not really a good idea.

[radiant crow]

oooh understood thanks for the info

when the time comes I will read through the lore again

I understood it briefly with it being a simulation that is sort of malfunctioning and the atlas is like the core of it creating new things.
its just a bit hard to understand the details cause while playing through it month past of me taking breaks or endless sidetracking to do other stuff

I kinda wanna learn more on „why did I do what was told me“

[weary turtle]

Iirc they join the Void Mother's hivemind thing, and since she has some limited control over reality I figure they're able to slowly put bodies together from 'beyond the veil' so to speak

[pale anvil]

?

[weary turtle]

At this point she's basically become an AI that can interact with the code of the simulation to a certain degree. Her "calling out" to the disconnected Korvax was her teaching them how to put together their own bodies while they themselves were only pieces of background code.

[pale anvil]

Yeah but i mean what do you mean beyond the veil

@weary turtle

[weary turtle]

o

[pale anvil]

Thank you btw

[weary turtle]

Sorry lol. They don't have bodies anymore but their code still exists, and I think they mention being in the plane/world/dimension of glass which is basically just storage. So they're pretty much data ghosts, that's why I felt like 'beyond the veil' felt fitting.

[pale anvil]

Ohhh

Wasnt artemis in a sort of plane of glass

[pale anvil]

Makes sense

Ty

Im suprised no one has made a lore video about this yet its very interesting

[weary turtle]

Dude you could fill books with the lore of nms lol

[pale anvil]

Korvax Prime and New Atlantid hurts my head

[weary turtle]

Wait till you read about Hirk

[pale anvil]

What the fuck is Hirk

I wouldnt mind No mans sky lore books like how warhammer 40k does it

[weary turtle]

He's the vy'keen god

[weary turtle]

Dude fr, I would eat that up

[pale anvil]

Oh i dunno shit about the vykeen

The autophage are my favorite "faction" since the concept of a robot race that builds themselves entirely from salvaged scrap is so cool to me

[weary turtle]

I went through and read every vy'keen plaque/monolith in-game a while ago lol - their lore is kind of a mess that doesn't fit well with the rest of the universe tbh

[weary turtle]

I thought the one guy who made himself into a spaceship was dope, haven't done much the autophage outside of him though

[pale anvil]

YEAHHH

My jaw was on the floor when he revealed he was just one dude

Or they

Idfk

[pale anvil]

Maybe its good i dont know their lore

The vy'keen seem kinda irrelevant compared to the gek and korvax but maybe its just me

[weary turtle]

I do think it's good, it's just also a mess. I think it's purposely written from an ancestral legend perspective, which definitely gives the vy'keen more character, but you kinda have to translate it to understand how it interacts with the rest of the game. The main difficulty is that they know absolutely nothing about the Atlas, unlike the Gek and Korvax.

[pale anvil]

They dont gaf about the atlas they just worship Hick?

[weary turtle]

They take a backseat for sure, but they're the only reason that the Gek get the chance to enslave the korvax

[pale anvil]

Oh damn

[weary turtle]

They see Hirk as the Atlas's prophet, but they only trust what he wrote about it. After Hirk there wasn't another prophet so now, though they respect the Atlas, they know nothing about it

[pale anvil]

Yeah i would eat up nms books

[weary turtle]

Right?! And this isn't even the trippy stuff, the sentinel pillars have logs of the Atlas interacting with other programs within reality

[pale anvil]

How does the space anomaly work

Nada says its like seperated from the Atlas?

[elder summit]

it exists somewhere outside of time and space, between realities iirc

[pale anvil]

So sorta like the glass dimension thing

[fringe hare]

I think it's slightly different as the World of Glass is basically an archive where all deleted things are sent, like the recycling bin on Windows, but the Anomaly is detached from the simulations, sort of existing "between" them, but the comparison between the two is apt enough

[iron beacon]

What did the geks all do? Like the crimes.

[frozen rose]

they enslaved the entire korvax race

[iron beacon]

They not so cute after all

[wispy basalt]

Current Gek are different

It is suggested that the first spawn gek were also taller and stronger than current ones

[frozen rose]

they're only different because a bunch of korvax sacrificed themselves to taint the gek spawning pools and make them nicer

if it were up to them they'd still be space nazis

[wispy basalt]

Yes but doesn‘t change the fact that current Gek look cute lol

And technically speaking the Gek didn‘t really have a choice anyways, the Atlas simulated them to be the way they were…

[white hollow]

Long before events of the game First Spawn were a Gek empire. Gek were different in that time, very different, even physically.

First spawn was very imperialistic, expansionist and ruthless

They would melt Korvax for minerals in their bodies

[iron beacon]

Damn

[white hollow]

Nazi comparison is something a bunch of people parrots over and over

[iron beacon]

Were vykeen involved or setinals

[white hollow]

But it holds no water

[frozen rose]

they killed almost the entire population of korvax prime, it holds some water

[pale anvil]

Made them REALLY want to trade instead of really want to conquer

[wispy basalt]

The Vykeen and Sentinels were at war, having exhausted each others forces (Vykeen almost pushed the Sentinels out of the galaxy even) , the first spawn seized the opportunity to invade a large portion of space

Both the Vykeen and Sentinels were too weak to intervene at that point

[iron beacon]

Oh okay thanks

[white hollow]

It had nothing to do with race, again they were melting korvax for minrals. They were exploiting them for resources like any other empire in human history I can think of would do

Again, a ruthless empire, imperialistic, expansioninst and militaristic with very strong survival of the fittest philosophy, but comparing them to nazi is just something a bunch of edgy dudes came up with and people keep parroting bc it they heard others say it.

[frozen rose]

cool motive, still genocide

[white hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fringe hare]

Lmao they blew up Korvax Prime.

[wispy basalt]

Yeah they truly sucked. If my traveller had been around back then he‘d have single handily destroyed their fleets

[fringe hare]

I don't think so? The traveller is powerful, but no empire buster. Nothing they could do.

[wispy basalt]

Ik, i was just exaggerating lol

[foggy river]

I had a crashed freighter encounter where that freighter destroyed a traveller. Though it did reveal, in the lore, that the traveller could respawn.

(I sadly didn't save that)

[fringe hare]

That's cause the Atlas loves us ♥️

[primal root]

Imagine going thru all that effort to kill one and they just come right back lmao

[foggy river]

Aperently it was quite easy. Like to the point where the traveler was begging to be let go.

[wispy basalt]

You have to do it the way Null presumably did it, but they are a traveller themselves so…

[primal root]

I think the comparison can be made, even if not a 1:1. Especially because most of what we know about the first spawn points to them being very into race science and their own superiority

[primal root]

Skill issue tbh

[foggy river]

or send it to wherever they sent Artimis

[foggy river]

Ye lmao

[fringe hare]

Bro did not upgrade their infra-knife

[foggy river]

Also, most of the power the traveler has is the ability to get a ton of money really fast, at least in space. Sure, the ship you have is able to defeat enemies pretty easily, but doing a ton of firepower is mostly bought from existing freighters and frigates, as well as the squadrons.

[primal root]

A fully upgraded multi-tool gives you the power of like, a small military lmao. Mf needed to lock in

[foggy river]

This was in space

[primal root]

Oh

[foggy river]

Reminder, this came from a crashed freighter log, from before they crashed.

[primal root]

Did the traveller not know you can just adjust difficulty settings to become unkillable? Were they stupid?

[foggy river]

Lol

[crystal mirage]

Are there any first spawn menbers alive?

[wispy basalt]

There is a NPC encounter in the game where you can meet such Gek NPC‘s on planets.

I did meet a Gek next to a damaged machinery in my case. Got a quest to fix the machinery after talking to the Gek and extracted a korvax shell out of it, then had the choice to hand it over to the Gek or deny it, the Gek was described as being excited and shaking the whole time through.

Handing the shell over causes them to maliciously celebrate and also lose standing with the korvax convergence, while denying it makes the Gek very angry.

I thought it was quite interesting, just looking at the korvax shell made the Gek very excited in a pretty maniacal way

[fringe hare]

I remember seeing somewhere that there are first spawn supporters hidden in the Gek society, waiting for the right moment to re-make their empire.

[crystal mirage]

We could have a a expedition focused on the past

Not set on the past

[wispy basalt]

The Last Spawn yeah

[primal root]

Yeah they're definitely, really weird

[fringe hare]

It's been a while since I've read the race's lore in-game.

[primal root]

Same

[wispy basalt]

The Vykeen will always be my fav, partly because my first system back in 2016 was a Vykeen one, but also because they are generally just super based.

[primal root]

Fr

The vykeen are really cool

And their NPC interactions are really funny

Plus the name they give travellers/anomalies, 'interloper,' goes hard

[wispy basalt]

Still rocking „Interloper“ as my in game title to this day

[fringe hare]

Eheu!

[wispy basalt]

They‘re also pretty friendly overall, despite…being so in a rough way, lol. Vykeen love is tough love…

[primal root]

Every interaction with them is a guy who looks like he could crush you like an empty soda can saying your gun is ass and then laughing heartily

[wispy basalt]

Yeah, when giving them a wrong answer you‘ll sometime even take a lil damage, implying they hit you lol.

But usually they‘re chill and well-intentioned, just a bit harsh in their behavior.

The Vykeen high command appears really icecold though , judging from the few interactions I‘ve seen with it.

Not necessarily evil, but still very strict and even ruthless to its own kin at times.

But they‘re a warrior culture, so it‘s nothing unusual really.

[karmic trout]

do we have a translation for these symbols in lore?

[elder summit]

no, but it seems to be a warning/error message, since these symbols also appear on a broken device on the anomaly

they also appear on exotic egg shaped things on some planets

[toxic roost]

Whats outside the simulation, what's the real world like in nms

[compact beacon]

Probably the end of the universe, since the Atlas hasn't been updated in almost 2 trillion years

[toxic roost]

Explain

[compact beacon]

In real time

[compact beacon]

The first time you meet the Atlas it mentions its last maintenance was 1.8 trillion years ago

[toxic roost]

Could be a old computer left deep under ground 🤷‍♂️

[compact beacon]

To last that long it would require the ability to harness energy by it self, while also being able to fix the wear and tear that comes with age

Since its been around atleast 1.8 trillion years, it absolutely has that ability. The only thing that could destroy it would be a black hole or the universe crunching back into it self

[toxic roost]

Or what if it hasn't actually been around that long and the system is confusing simulation time for real time

[compact beacon]

I don't see why it would since its telling us in real time how much longer the simulation has left

[toxic roost]

?

[compact beacon]

Have you beaten the game yet

[toxic roost]

Awhile ago

[compact beacon]

The 16 minutes refers to real time in the real world how much longer the simulation has left. In game time that could be trillions of years since time is relative

[toxic roost]

One day they should add a story update that shows the end (not permanent you know those story games that have a ending but roll back so you can continue playing(

[modest stump]

i was wondering

i don’t know if i misunderstood polo

but

after i met the atlas and it said th whole 16 minutes left thing

i talked to nada

than to polo

and polo basicslly daid

daid

atleast from what i gathered

that he already knew of the loop and of the resets

but it pains them to talk about it like

physically

am i stupid or is this acrually

the case

or did i just completely misunderstand everything

[toxic roost]

If you mean when the people in the anomaly no longer know you I think something you do corrupts the simulation and so it failsafes and resets in a way

[wispy basalt]

Not really but it‘s also found on fungal planets on these weird plants and on autophage tech too.

I‘m not sure if the one in the Anomaly actually appeared around the time of the Ariadne incident.

Going through everything we have, it might even be Abyss related, either that or just an technology error message of some sort.

Since Biohorrors are related to the Abyss it wouldnt surprise me if infested Derelicts are too tbh

[karmic trout]

could be abyss related since iirc all the derelicts are freighters who have broken/slipped through from other universe simulations

[karmic trout]

The Vy'keen command has specifically instructed all Vy'keen to aid the Traveler whenever possible, the other races simply don't care (even if you achieve high standing, the Korvax Convergence have expressed research interest but that is just saying they see the Traveler as a lab rat), I think the Vy'keen are what you said: tough love

[proven wren]

i am sure vykeen name the Grahberry

they only say grah

for settlement since limit is 4, i name the vykeen settlement Grah City

[severe cradle]

well, there are multiple simulations running

maybe atlas is able to save one of those simulations for just a little while longer

[karmic trout]

not sure what you mean the end is : ||either you reset the simulation or not, the Atlas will die either way since every reset reduces the life of the Atlas||

[fringe hare]

The death of the Atlas I'm guessing. 16 minutes left.

A send off for the game would be nice, once ODS are shut down for the final time, and we see the death of the Atlas. 16, 15, 14... 3, 2, 1. Goodbye World.

But that's a long time off. We have a lot of No Man's Sky ahead of us.

[karmic trout]

Yes, as other users have said, 16 mins in Atlas timeframe could well as be infinity

My HC is that the Atlas actually exists on Earth and we ARE the Atlas, every one of us who is running NMS on their devices, the Glass referring to monitor glass

and it would be Goodbye World the day the very last NMS player shuts off their device for the final time

[willow adder]

As far as we know yes.

This is further supporten by the fact that during the Apollo guest line every time you go to see Polo, his appearance changes.

Like your talking to yet another version of him every time you visit.

[nocturne grotto]

Why when you look at a sentinel through the analysis visor does it say "sow discord"? Aren't they supposed to prevent people from destroying stuff?

[karmic trout]

could be from the perspective of Telamon (the suit AI), in reality they don't seem to be following that directive anyway

[nocturne grotto]

Alright thanks, I'm new to the game and was just wondering. Didn't even know the suit had an ai lol

[karmic trout]

warm welcome! yes it does and as you play through the main storyline, the lore is drip-fed so feel free to discuss in the channel any interesting lore you come across

[nocturne grotto]

👍

[boreal crypt]

Because the Gek are offended by the word Proto Gek, and the autophage have a proto gek helmet, they either associate the korvax with the proto gek, or the automated with the korvax.

[safe sky]

Does everyone agree the story line is boring let's fix it add a suggestion to make it better in the hello games suggestions website https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

If a ton of people request they will awnser

[empty epoch]

My first play through (years ago now) the Artimis story line was good, even if the ending was sad. And the Atlas story line's ending surprised me and amused me. My only issue with the story is that it pretty much ended there.

I haven't played much since then. I'm finally getting around to the Rebel story now.

I would love more lore.

[empty epoch]

I did not know that. Next time a Gek npc is annoying me, I'll have to say, "stop being so proto!"

[karmic trout]

And how exactly would you propose the story be changed or at this point 'retconed'?

[empty epoch]

How about "continued"? Like a story line you get after completing the Atlas story line where you eventually find a way to access the system running the simulation (this is "spoilers" section, so I better not need to put spoiler tags around that). And tie that into a movie called "One Woman's Sky" where a simulated life form escapes it's simulation and manipulates machines in a research institute to create itself a body to escape the simulation.

... I know, kinda redundant/similar to existing movies but Hollywood does it all the time.

[karmic trout]

Continued is a good thing to do, yeah and your idea seems interesting, however the Atlas is dying so I'm not sure how exactly it would tie into a simulated life form becoming sentient and escaping... And beside the Travelers who are destined to be explorers forever, the races themselves don't know they're inside a simulation

And don't worry about the spoilers tags, per the rules, they aren't necessary

[empty epoch]

But you, the traveller, do know you are in a simulation being run by Atlas and in all likelihood when Atlas dies, so does the simulation. So if you want to continue to exist, you gotta get out of your universe.

[karmic trout]

That could be the motivation for the MC since other Travelers are implied to be dead or from a different time, that's why the game puts the line, "Their skin appears translucent, as if they aren't truly there" and their dialogue also for the most part doesn't refer to the present time

[wispy basalt]

man fuck geks i found a world with a species that looked like naked geks and i slaughtered every one i saw

[white hollow]

Cool, you don't have to like them, but abstain from remarks such as "fuck this or that race"

Keep discussions civil, we also don't allow for promoting in-game race hatred or genocide

[wispy basalt]

ok

[solid obsidian]

Maybe 16 is 16 years and that's when they will shut down the game

[solid obsidian]

Are you a new mod? Because you're seeming way too excited to jumping on every little opportunity to police people

[white hollow]

If you have moderation or rules related concerns use #contact-us

[solid obsidian]

Where does it say in the rules of this server that you can't dislike an in game species

The rules says no racism but I doubt anyone reasonable would ever interpret that as meaning no slandering a fake in-game species , I would think it means no real life racism

If it's supposed to apply to geks also then this rule needs to be rewritten more clearly

[quick temple]

No advocating game race hatred or genocide, even in the form of role play.

[white hollow]

If you have moderation or rules related concerns use #contact-us

Topic of this channel is NMS lore, stick to it
@solid obsidian

[solid obsidian]

I have reread the rules multiple times and I'm not seeing where it says that

[white hollow]

!mute 2h 711910762674651166 You were told to stay on topic and use proper channels if you have concerns regarding rules or moderation

[weary jasper]

@solid obsidian (epistemologicalsoap) muted for 2 hours.

[foggy river]

Going back to the lore, but somewhat related to this. Even if you want to hate the government that origonally did what they did to the Korvax, it's not race related. It may be the government of a race, but it's not the actual race. It's like saying Germans are responsible for WW2, and not the government of the time. (If I should delete this or smthn, pls lmk, I tried to keep it good according to the rules.)

[white hollow]

Pretty much, something I mentioned in this channel before

First spawn as an empire was after minerals in Korvax bodies, they were very aggressive and militaristic.

In a way geks still have similar drive but instead of it being directed at other factions and civilizations in form of war and conquest they channel it into trade

[foggy river]

I wasn't even specifically talking about the first spawn (Since im not familiar with the lore) Just whatever faction did that.

[white hollow]

First Spawn was that gek empire

[foggy river]

Ah okay.

[white hollow]

Today's geks are much different ofc, as a culture, civilisations and even on physiological level

[foggy river]

I am genuinly curious where this rule is, wasn't able to find it, but this is about lore, not that.

[quick temple]

#no-mans-sky pinned rules. It's the drop-down section explaining more in-depth what applies to rule 1 as Remaining Civil

[foggy river]

Ye, but evem without that. It was the first spawn that did that, not all the gek.

[foggy river]

Where can I make a suggestion for an alteration to the rules?

[quick temple]

#contact-us

[foggy river]

Well, more like adding that pinned here too but ye.

[white hollow]

Well, there could be other gek groups, probably even within first spawn there were some factions or sub-factions which didn't follow the main doctrine, empires rarely are 100% uniform. Game just doesn't really explore that, or at least not in any way I know

[quick temple]

if you'd like, i can save you the trouble and forward it straight to the admins rn

[foggy river]

Nah, doing it now.

[foggy river]

Discord server feedback, right?

Done.

[foggy river]

Exactly my point lmao

[unborn pier]

Anyone else absolutely obsessed with the First Spawn?

[hazy isle]

I still need the first spawn helmet

[karmic trout]

The most interesting thing is that the First Spawn waited till the Vy'keen were at their lowest, like that speaks of cunning, planning and betrayal. Also it implies that the Geks had no chance against the Vy'keen in a 1v1

I'm even surprised that all the 3 races share space stations, currency, settlements etc. Granted it's easier for gameplay reasons but after a galactic spanning genocidal war, if I were a Korvax, I'd stay away from the Gek as far as possible

[frozen rose]

its been a pretty long time since the first spawn wars, right? Seems like enough time to forgive/forget for most people, especially considering the gek were fundamentally changed at a genetic level to be less warlike

[karmic trout]

If you play that quest, the Gek cartographer is incredibly reluctant to talk about it and even worse for the other two races. I do think it could be a reference to Spain's pact of forgetting after the Franco regime (personal thoughts, nothing confirmed by HG) but the scars are still there and of course we do still have First Spawn cultists running around.

[frozen rose]

well, yeah, we don't talk about the holocaust much, and there's still waaaaaay too many nazis running around, but in general most people think the germans are pretty alright these days

[karmic trout]

Just a heads up, referring to the Gek as Nazis etc is a touchy subject in the server and is mostly discouraged so please just watch out for that 😅

As for the scars, remember Korvax Prime is still gone, the Void Mother is still out there enacting her revenge plan. We definitely can't say all is done and well in the NMS universe.

[frozen rose]

yeah I had an argument about it the other day, I don't agree with it in general, genocide is genocide. In this case though, the allegory is pretty direct, if we can get along with a race that used to be genocidal, it doesn't seem unreasonable for it to happen in game

[fallow geode]

It is stated in colossal archives that vast majority of gek have no interest in learning their history as well as having a lingering guilt towards the first spawn's treatment of the korvax.
I wonder if that's just their way of coping with their history for now, or also something caused by the nanite poisoning.

[karmic trout]

The allegory has not been officially confirmed and in any case calling a race 'genocidal' is wrong. In our real world we have so many examples of Germans resisting the 1939-1945 regime, and so we can assume the same happened during the time of the First Spawn

<@&590975379678953522> we need clarity on what is allowed when making real world comparisons to the game lore please

[frozen rose]

so the allegory I was making is still pretty clear and direct? Both groups committed genocide, but there was resistance in both groups, and both groups re-integrated into normal society over a long period of time, which makes it seem perfectly normal that gek and vykeen and korvax exist on the same space stations, which was the point of the allegory in the first place

[fallow geode]

Eh, WW2 Germany isnt really great comparison

[karmic trout]

Both groups?? The Gek were the aggressors, the Vy'keen were fighting against the Sentinels who were aggressive towards them in the first place

[frozen rose]

I was not calling the vykeen genocidal

look, you're trying to have an argument with me about a different thing than I was saying. You said it's surprising that the 3 races could re-integrate, and I said it's not that surprising, because in the biggest example of genocide that we have to compare to in the real world, those people managed to re-integrate too. I wasn't trying to make a political statement

[karmic trout]

Neither am I, if the races were completely integrated why would some of the Vy'keen say Geks are enemies? There's guilt, there are neo-Spawn cultists, there's a lot of friction

[frozen rose]

sounds pretty similar to real life to me

[tulip fiber]

Do you think that there could be a new war in the future with the Vy'keen leading a liberation war against the Sentinels? I dream about an update about that, with a hidden Vy'keen world fully militaristic and being prepared to take the war to the universe

[karmic trout]

Very possible, I'd even say the Vy'keen are regrouping and rearming, their directive from Hirk against the Sentinels remains unchanged

[sinful relic]

Not sure why we are comparing anything to real life, but it's civil so far and not promotion of hatred, so it's ok.

[karmic trout]

Last time we discussed lore about the First Spawn, it quickly devolved into whether the Geks are Nazis so I'm trying to see where the lines are between genuine historical discussions and spamming stuff and hate 😅

[sinful relic]

This was comparative and explanatory in my eyes, a nice civil exchange

[primal root]

generally something like the first spawn doesnt just disappear once its defeated in the sense of no longer existing as a nation. i definitely agree there would be a lot of tension between everyone in the aftermath continuing to today.

[karmic trout]

Even worse when you know the Korvax slaves literally gave their blood and lives to change the Gek

It's not like the Gek repented of their crimes of their own accord

So there must be a fear of what would happen if the programming weakened over successive generations?

Granted the Vy'keen would be in much better shape to stop them but still

[primal root]

the korvax are prolly pretty paranoid about the whole ordeal, yeah. as for programming weakening, im not sure to what extent thats an issue

forgive me if im wrong on anything, its been a bit since ive directly read the lore myself, but i dont think the edits made to the gek are whats keeping them from going all genocidal again. they are after all individuals with thoughts and emotions, radicalization and appeals to the first spawn being their 'golden age' are a far greater threat than any weakened programming.

the korvax operate as a collective so itd make sense from their pov that you can stop the gek from being evil by messing with their genes. but the gek are very much not a collective

pockets of the first spawn could persist as a fringe fascistic idealogy within gek culture for who knows how long, independent of the way the korvax altered them

[karmic trout]

The drive and obsession to do something is still there, the Korvax simply redirected it towards trading and commerce. It seems the Gek do acknowledge what has happened but prefer to obsess over trade. In my HC, I see it as a coping mechanism like alcohol or something

[primal root]

trade as a sort of species wide copium would make sense

"first spawn? yeah man that was bad but lets not talk about it, here look check out the stock market"

[fringe hare]

I honestly think that such a scenario as the first spawn returning would be the starting gun to the Atlantid/Void Mother/Abyss becoming agressive or something. Through war the increases in strength!

[karmic trout]

I'm still in the revenge camp (VM wants revenge for the destruction of Korvax Prime) but yeah I can definitely get behind this too, it could legitimize her intentions and give us a complex motivation rather than a simple revenge storyline

As for whether the Vy'keen would stand for or against, I believe it's upto the High Command

[wispy basalt]

Don‘t even need the Vy‘keen now tbh. The Sentinels are basically omnipresent at this point and purposely not even allowing the buildup of cities and such anymore, a faction as powerful as the Vy‘keen in their prime or the first spawn simply cannot exist under the current circumstances. Everything including the factories of the factions are observed and even guarded by Sentinels.

[fringe hare]

Lore tells us that if they wanted to, the Sentinels could wipe out all life in the galaxy under an hour. Even if all three factions put their differences aside and allied up, they couldn't do shit to the Sentinels. It's too far gone already.

[foggy river]

So why don't they?

The sentinels at this point seem to be sort of obsessed with keeping things natural. With the way they attack if you attempt to do something to wildlife.

[fringe hare]

Not sure honestly. We don't really know the Sentinel's current motives, why they still act like a policing force even though they've been freed from the Atlas' control.

[foggy river]

Any ideas?

[wispy basalt]

The Sentinels must be more powerful now than they were in the past tbh seeing how the Vy‘keen pushed them to the outer edges of the galaxy thus they weren‘t able to intervene with the first spawn.

Which is still weird though cause the Sentinels can utilize portal travel? I think they went through some major revision after their defeat at the hands of the Vy‘keen.

[fringe hare]

I believe that the Sentinels aren't one homogenous faction, and are splintered. Some chose to defect to Void Mother's side, some don't care about the simulation anymore and retreated to the World Of Glass, and some keep serving the Atlas, even though they don't have to.

[fringe hare]

Yup, that major revision is breaking off from the Atlas' leash. They can do whatever they want now, and are not held back by the Atlas.

[foggy river]

That makes sense

[foggy river]

So, why do you think a lot of them are obsessed with keeping planets natural?

[wispy basalt]

Yeah a lot actually

[fringe hare]

Perhaps preserving the original way that the Atlas created the simulation. Fanaticism? Loyalty?

[fringe hare]

They call me the Lore-inator!

[foggy river]

Also, in space, do the sentinels have anything bigger than a fighter? If not, I wonder if the freighters and such could stand a chance

Like combat freighters

[fringe hare]

Kinda large gameplay spoiler: ||Ohoho yes. Sentinel Dreadnaughts. Get to level 5 wanted in space combat||.

[foggy river]

O-

[fringe hare]

Good luck Interloper.

[foggy river]

Combat freighters and frigate fleets seem to be the biggest potential way to go against the Sentinels.

[foggy river]

Which... if this is what I'm thinking, is not saying much.

[elder summit]

Harvesting and mining stuff reminds them of the destruction of the korvax homeworld, which triggers their defense protocols and stuff

[foggy river]

But it seems like their best chance

[foggy river]

Ah

[foggy river]

Unless they wanna leverage the infiniatly respawnable interlopers in some way.

[foggy river]

That is actually in the lore of nms btw, I talked about it before.

[karmic trout]

The Vy'keen almost eliminated the Sentinels only to get back stabbed at the worst possible time. So sad

[tight forge]

Speaking of the Vy'keen I've got a question about Hirk in the lore that I'm unsure about

It's stated that he ended up killing Nal (who i think was either his brother or friend) out of jealousy, so what I'm asking is did Hirk steal credit from Nal and claim his accomplishments as his own or am I getting it too twisted?

Btw for reference I haven't dived into nms lore in a while yet the quest for the weapons terminal (or that was the case for me) keeps barely sticking in the back of my mind

[modest stump]

i wish i could send photos

but i think i just found one of those like

banished gek dudes

he’s all blue

i tamed him

he’s blue nd looks like

well

a gek

[karmic trout]

Nice poem, but perhaps a different channel?

[modest stump]

i was trying to talk to someone about it my fault

i wanted to know if thats actual lore or not i heard it from someone

my bad tho

thanks tho up and coming composer

[karmic trout]

Hirk and Nal are like Cain and Abel from the Bible. Nal was given knowledge (Abel) whereas Hirk was rejected (Cain) so Hirk murdered Nal and told his followers that he received great knowledge from the Monoliths, and so declared war on the Sentinels. He then said that Nal was killed in this war.

Eventually Hirk was killed as well, as in the lore

"The death of Hirk came during the endless war. Hirk's body was ravaged by old age, becoming ancient and useless. Bellowing, Hirk tore this failing body in two before the Great Monolith, as is the Vy'keen way. The echo of that dying roar can still be heard throughout the Outer Edge. Hirk lives in us, the most venerated of the ancients."

So Hirk did not steal any achievements from Nal (unless you count getting knowledge from the Monoliths as an achievement) but yeah Nal was betrayed by Hirk in a way

[gilded lava]

Guys i have a idea u see artemis right ?
For people putted in the simulation like me he cant be with us but why not we can like uhh Just Transfer Him into a robotic Body so he can interact with us

[foggy river]

Can it be transferred from all the way where he is?

[gilded lava]

If u let him die u cant ig but its a tehory

When u get to the main quest the game want u to make a choice
Let me die in peace or give him a second life

And with the help of polo we make a robotic body so we can put him inside

[ivory python]

Why do vykeen hate gek?

[civic canyon]

Maybe because they are the opposite of them,in almost every way.

[solid obsidian]

because they remember when the gek tried to genocide them and everyone else in the universe not too long ago

that and on top of that, nowadays, the gek play the role of the "peace loving cooperative traders", which is completely against the warrior self sufficient nomad culture of the vykeen, and they hate this type of "weakness" in general

[nimble sand]

so do gex and vykrene not require oxygen? canonically?

how does oxygen work in nms

[foggy river]

Life support systems seem to be different than oxygen for the body. Sure, supplied by O2, but it's entirely different when you go underwater, showing a whole different o2 system.

[nimble sand]

i mean like

in space

i get it’s cosmetic but you don’t even need a helmet

[foggy river]

The traveller seems to need the same amount for the normal life support then when on planets then in space.

Even on paradise planets, which logically should have O2

[nimble sand]

yuh

[foggy river]

Which is why I think the life support system is different than O2.

Perhaps on barren planets with no 02, it takes oxygen from the life support system, which is why it drains faster?

[nimble sand]

i mean as an alien species and living ships being living ships
we probably developed space breathing with the disadvantage of not being able to breathe oxygen and that’s why we can use it in the life support to ig convert it?

[foggy river]

But, why does it suddenly come back when we're going underwater?

And why does it only go down if we're moving or using the jetpack?

[nimble sand]

pressure?

[foggy river]

Does moving increase pressure like that? If so, why doesn't being moved do that?

[nimble sand]

and we probably using the oxygen to move with thrusters

since you can’t use fire

[foggy river]

Why is that the different oxygen then the normal system they take it from?

Well also, oxygen makes stuff combust more easily.

So that makes sense for the jetpack use

[nimble sand]

i mean explain how you can fit an infinite fuel system and a refinery that somehow requires carbon to work

[foggy river]

Technically you're burning pure forms of wood.

Or other burnable material, typically what you get carbon from.

[nimble sand]

still don’t get why the jetpack can be infinitely fueled but the refinery can’t use the same fuel

[foggy river]

It doesn't have infinite. It uses the oxygen from the life support system

[nimble sand]

right i’m used to all the moduals i’ve somehow stuffed in there to neglect that

[foggy river]

Lol

[nimble sand]

forgor

[foggy river]

Which, oxygen can be a fuel, if it's in a pure enough gas form, or liquid

[nimble sand]

which brings me to another question, how strong is the wonderer?

[foggy river]

The traveller?

[nimble sand]

i’m used to fallout srry

[foggy river]

I mean, it seems to be able to carry an absolute ton of stuff

But, that's not unique to the Traveller.

[nimble sand]

not to mention that the jetpack and ships can also and carry more weight

[foggy river]

Bc whenever we purchase from others, they have a good amount of stuff too, sometimes heavy stuff.

[nimble sand]

but then again space is weightless

which makes sense for freighters

[nimble sand]

yeah

[foggy river]

Easy, this is super futuristic technology, to the point where weight wouldn't be the issue, but volume.

[nimble sand]

the only thing i could agree with that is the anti gravity drive on sentinal ships

and maybe haulers

[foggy river]

And perhaps they've solved that on a small scale, with something like tardis tech. Also, some of this can be explained as gameplay. Like haulers theoretically holding the same amount as fighters, or explorers.

[nimble sand]

btw what are the cargo ships called that appear next to freighters

[foggy river]

Frigates.

[nimble sand]

they’re called fridgets too?

[foggy river]

Just because of logic. You wouldn't make haulers if you can hold the same amount of things in little fighters.

[foggy river]

No, corvettes, freighters, and frigates are the three larger ones.

[nimble sand]

the ones you can’t buy or get

and you can blow up for stuff like freighter moduals

[fallow plaza]

I just visited a dissonant planet for the first time

And I’m doing the bit to get the sentinel ship

Is the implication that ||the sentinel cockpit modules (hylian Brains) used to be real people?||

[solid obsidian]

I am pretty sure nothing about this game follows real life physics or biology, it's a completely different universe

[nimble sand]

well that’s not true

[solid obsidian]

They only named some things similarly and made things conceptually similar enough to real life that you can understand what's going on but actually if you look closely at basically any detail of the game you can see it's very intentionally not based on real life physics

[solid obsidian]

It literally is true

Look at the elements for example they have similar names to real life elements but the artwork and recipes and refined recipes are all fantasy and different

For example how come chlorine is refined to salt, doesn't make sense if you're thinking in real life because chloride is a component of salt not the other way around

And what the heck is "condensed carbon" or stuff like this

And look at the artwork for carbon and oxygen, the carbon is a single red circle but the oxygen is a bunch of white and red circles making it look like it's supposed to be some sort of complex molecule but in real life oxygen is about as simple of an element as carbon

And look obviously at a lot of the descriptions on the minerals and flora they clearly don't follow biological process that are the same in real life

I mean there's literally flying telekinetic electronic worms you can find in the game you can't tell me that's based on real life biology or physics

[karmic trout]

sometimes I wonder if HG has a thing for horrors

[unborn mica]

what do you guys think the right choice for Artemis is? after doing all of the options, I personally i think it’s more moral to let him die, especially rather than telling him that he’s in a simulation

thoughts?

[karmic trout]

It's totally upto you, I let her live in the simulation but she - - - (find out for yourself)

[ivory python]

Sounds like saiyans from db universe

[ivory python]

||trying to find out more about these aura farmers https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345378190568587275/1413119987941638144/No_Mans_Sky_20250904130818_50.jpg?ex=68bac60b&is=68b9748b&hm=bc60a93bee2cc263317845beff70dec5b289d9f89d5ee3fbaf709cdfd810c010&||

[waxen badge]

i saw those recently too on a replay they freaked me the fuck out

my running theory is that ||every atlas interface is attempting to portray itself as a god so that those within the similation follow it- so every interface tends to pull from whatever source they can to be respected. surely some civilizations respected or worshipped the black hole before they knew what it was, hence why it appears as one, or a giant titan of an eye. this one clearly feels like religious imagery that WE would see as humans, and i think thats very intentional. ||

[primal root]

not that i remember?

i cant find the exact text of the mission anywhere and its been a bit since i recovered an interceptor

but the glass thing the sentinels are so involved with is like an archive right?

so its not inconceivable that the hyaline brains are 'recycled' consciousnesses

[karmic trout]

I don't think the Gek or Vy'keen really care about the Atlas

the Atlas is explicitly a god to the Korvax, this we know

[pale anvil]

though this was kinda worth noting

[waxen badge]

that's true, it's obviously not working, but i feel like that at least explains why every interface is different. it's doing whatever it can to try and force respect and admiration out of people

[pale anvil]

Don't the gek deny the atlas?

[karmic trout]

but the Vy'keen have eternal beef with the sentinels, per your interpretation can we say the Atlas tests their honor code this way and garners respect

[karmic trout]

some do, but majority are neutral, the Vy'keen are the 'heretics'

In the past, the Korvax studied and worshipped the Atlas and the Sentinels. Their devotion to the Atlas remained even after the The Great Disconnection, when they were enslaved by the First Spawn Gek to take care of their breeding pools. After several millenia, the Cult of Atlas among the Gek grew stronger due to willful infection of the breeding pools with corrupted nanites by the Korvax slaves. First it affected the edges of the First Spawn Empire, and soon attracted the belief of low spawn Gek subdued by the First Spawn Empire by making them see their insignificance in the universe. The infected and low spawn Gek turned against their leaders and destroyed them. However, as uncovered in the events surrounding the code 16, remnants and loyalists of the First Spawn empire still hide among the Gek.

Today, the majority of Korvax and Gek believe in the Atlas as a god. In contrast most of the Vy'keen are opposed to this doctrine, and see the Atlas as a false god, based on the teachings of their ancient prophet Hirk the Great. The followers of his legendary rival Nal, however, do. They practice their faith in the shadows and plan to expose the lies of Hirk.

[north walrus]

When you reset the atlas, and then show the reset atlas atlantideum are you basically showing it proof of dissonance and error causing it to reset the countdown? I saw 16 in the dialogue when I did but I wasn’t sure

[solid obsidian]

I'm gonna be honest I think the lore of NMS is intentionally just mysterious nonsense because it was too hard to write deep lore for a procgen game

A lot of the lore explanations is mostly just meant to be left up to your imagination just like most of the rest of the aspects of the game

I'm actually mostly just surprised that they didn't procgen an NPC race in each system and actually made 3 consistent ones, but I think the "lore explanation" for that is also there, that the simulation bled together or something

[wispy basalt]

Huh? This is just objectively untrue. The lore is both very deep and also mostly cohesive, nothing to do with mysterious nonsense really. While it is true that a bunch of stuff is left up to interpretation, only very little mystery remains actually and most of it is not of importance.

All the important topics such as the nature of the Atlas, the reason it is dying, what the world of glass/Sentinels and void mother are, what we travellers are etc. can be solved with the lore already given to us. The faction lore is also very clear, we know pretty much everything there is to be known about the Vy'keen, Korvax and Gek (and yes, due to the physical damage the Atlas has received it has reduced the complexity of the simulation and is thus only simulating the three races we see now).

The only mysteries remaining are rabbit holes like whether humanity was a part of the simulation once and if the world the Atlas resides in is also a simulation. Or why Nada's Universe was wiped clean. And some ongoing stuff as well, but that is ongoing and will be further expanded upon as the game continues. Alright there are admittedly a few more but they aren't things that are crucial to know, like I said the core topics get elaborated on pretty clearly by the lore.

And a big part of good lore is that everything is not answered, it's one of the primary reasons why the souls games are still discussed so much in regards to their lore. Lore is not the same as a main story which has a definite ending & answer.

[karmic trout]

. This

Like I can understand the lore is not delivered directly in a conventional way and even I find it convoluted sometimes but at least the main Artemis Path is pretty straightforward

The rest can be read / explored at own pace

Problem is we don't have a good Wiki as a central repository. There are two main ones : one Fandom and one self hosted but both of them are quite behind in lore

[north walrus]

I used ChatGPT to clarify the lore after beating the game it made it feel the opposite it made the Atlas a much more interesting entity then AI god

[humble oasis]

Wait a minute No man’s sky takes place in a simulation? That’s kinda dope ngl

[karmic trout]

Might always want to double check on the sources as well

[north walrus]

I use chatgpt a lot for things like work and after a a few months of tuning the prompts I’ve gotten it to understand if it’s not sure on something to explain it so that it’s not spewing nonsense and it’ll list sources it’s pretty cool I use it for research a lot

[solid obsidian]

have you ever played the game

[solid obsidian]

"objectively", what's your empirical metric?

the NMS "lore" is quite tropish and shallow IMO and im 99% sure they do this on purpose due to the procedural nature of the game, they literally can't do it any other way. the only interesting innovation is the korvax converting the gek, never heard of something similar like that before. everything else is just the usual matrix-like and basic sci-fi tropes told in an intentionally confusing and vague way without much substance. much like the game systems themselves which are pretty much more shallow caricatures of systems from other games all piled on top of each other to the point that most of them are pointless to ever interact with

[sinful relic]

Sounds like you are having fun

[crystal mirage]

Important fyi they joined today

[sinful relic]

Lore expert then, got it

[crystal mirage]

Sorry not today

Readed the year wrong

They joined September 4th 2022

Not 2025

[sinful relic]

Whether you like it or not is subjective, it being understandable really isn't

[solid obsidian]

I didn't say I dislike it or that it's not understandable

I said it's intentionally vague

And I'm pretty sure that's the whole point

It's extremely easy to understand due to how basic, shallow, and familiar the tropes are

So everybody can engage with it without much effort and the intentional vagueness is what leaves room for your imagination to fill in the blanks

The whole point of this game is exploration and discovery and not knowing what there is you can find and that's how the lore is meant to feel like

[fallow plaza]

When you go to decode it, you unearth ancient memories and it gives you little flashes of a race

Like the vy’keen, etc

[humble oasis]

Nahhh I’ve only got like 12 maybe 15hr of gameplay and I’ve spent most of that time exploring

Once I got to the anomaly I just went to do my own thing 😂

[solid obsidian]

Well the game slowly reveals to you that you're in a simulation so you basically just got it spoiled

[humble oasis]

Weirdly enough I’m even more excited to play and find out more about the lore now

[solid obsidian]

But luckily as I said there's not much more to it than that the lore is not that deep so you didn't miss much, I realized pretty quickly in the game that's the case, it's basically like you're just waiting for the confirmation for a while

[humble oasis]

This is game is quickly becoming my 2nd all time favorite

[solid obsidian]

Basically the game gives you a framework to make your own lore is what's interesting about it

Based on theorizing or just filling in the gaps however you want

They made is someone generic and vague on purpose I think for that reason but there is still some specific lore although even that is not set in stone because part of the thing is that the "past" actually got edited/corrupted across multiple timelines

[humble oasis]

I was wondering why for a game that seems to have endless galaxy is there only like 5 sentient life forms and I think this was a cool in world explanation

[solid obsidian]

So theoretically there could have been a universe of just a highly advanced civilization of Ronald McDonalds and we don't know now

[solid obsidian]

Yeah basically those are the ones that survived the "bleeding time multiverse corruption" through some sort of emergent artificial evolution

I guess because they have the most bland and generic backgrounds all the other histories sort of combined into them

[humble oasis]

That actually a cool way to make the procedurelly generated world make sense lore wide

[solid obsidian]

Yes that's what I'm saying is I think it is because it makes things easier for the developer and actually able to write a lore

If they had to procgen the races they couldn't write a lore, and if they had to write a deep lore then it loses the feeling of being procgen/infinite/mysterious

So instead they create this vague mysterious story that you have to sort out yourself to a large extent

Its a lot like reading real life religion books where every sentence could mean a lot of different things based on how you interpret it in context

[humble oasis]

Makes sense also people I think want a sense of lore even in a mostly procgen game

At first I thought the game was about time travel or multiverse but I think this is even better imho

I mean it’s technically still multiversal I guess

[solid obsidian]

It's basically both

But not discrete time travel

It's more like time is not the same concept as in real life

[crystal mirage]

Have you checked collosal archives?

[solid obsidian]

What

Planetary archive?

[pastel dune]

So what exactly did null do?

I'm like dumb and can't figure it out

[elder summit]

defied the atlas, murdered travellers and stole their souls so that he could live forever

[karmic trout]

There's a detailed explanation in #nms-spoilers if you want to know more

[wispy basalt]

That‘s just not true there is much more to it.

The game even had an entire ARG dedicated to it which is still relevant today. For years they have been building up the Atlantid who is scheming to somehow transcend and escape or save the simulation.

As revealed by Sentinel pillar lore as well as the weekend missions in 2019, it has been hunting and capturing travellers for a while, sometimes even assisted by our exosuit who is inhabited by an AI called „Telamon“. Since having this knowledge I‘m a bit at unease, since clearly in some cases we are betrayed by what is our closest ally.

Regardless, one of the Atlantid‘s major goals is to recreate the creator of the Atlas itself, which I don‘t exactly know how it wants to do, but probs has something to do with capturing all travellers and uniting them onto one.

But this whole arc has been going on for a while and through the Omega Expedition HG has even tried to push the player towards picking a side, either the Atlas or the Atlantid.

Then we have the whole ordeal with the families of glass which are also relevant. The world of glass is an archive, a place where the Sentinels store all the data of the Simulation. It is a backup and akin to an external hard drive or the recycle bin on a PC. The Atlantid has tried to restore a deleted traveller named Leto from it before and the „restored“ worlds from a stellar multitudes likely also come from there.

Anyways, the families of glass are also an ongoing mystery which is slowly getting expanded upon. My bet is that they are actually the prognitor races which got deleted as the Atlas started degrading.

And then there are some truly hidden details in the boundary logs. You say the lore isn‘t deep? There‘s so much to miss about it. For example most people only look at the Hirk and Nal story in a very black and white way, Nal was right, Hirk betrayed Nal etc.
What actually happened is that Hirk and Nal were created by the Atlas as an analogy to its fallout with Telamon.

The boundary logs imply that the Atlas actually spoke to both Hirk and Nal, and each of them believed the other to not have heard the Atlas.

But anyways, there is lots of good lore and even lots of it which is currently important.

We‘re heading towards a grand conclusion and people are picking sides already.

Does the Atlas deserve the worship it gets? It has after all simulated the first spawns treatment of the korvax across countless iterations. Or is it just an innocent AI, damaged and panicking? There is an argument to be made that the Atlas only did this after already being damaged and corrupted, since there existed many more races before and during the rise of the first spawn only the Gek, Vykeen and Korvax were present.

Then there‘s the Void Mother aka Korvax Prime. She‘s responsible for most of the horror creations within the simulation, has caused the deaths of countless travellers and a lot of Korvax as well (while bringing others back). On the other hand she also seems to show deep care for life, breathed new life into the Autophage, has restored tons of planets and species etc. She is sheltering a race which is otherwise discriminated.

She is also trying to put together a plan to save the simulation, while the Atlas is only watching (not like it can do anything, imo. But still).

And the nature of the families of glass is still unclear and whether they are evil. We know that they are using the world of glass to expand their knowledge, „being able to speak languages not fitting their tongue“. They have all these seeds of glass implanted in their bodies which are likely data containers, partly at least.

Every pov we have gotten on them portrays them as pretty malicious. But are they really? We got a glimpse of them during the cursed expedition.

Besides this there are other small parties at play such as the last spawn which has also hunted and captured a traveller before. Traveller souls are a big topic and what they are being used for.

Anyways, TL;DR.

There‘s lots of cool world building going on in the lore and it is very relevant if you want to understand what is happening within the simulation such as the spread of dissonant corruption etc. If you want to rp there‘s lots of material there to make your character have specific motivations, pick a side etc.
We constantly have to secondguess who we can actually trust at this point, even the Atlas appears to be emotional and has conflicts with other entities.

And that‘s where our own interpretations come in, which benefits the game and us players greatly.

I must admit at first I was a bit dissappointed myself when HG chose to commit to a simulation type thingie, as it usually reduces the meaning of whatever is happening, imo. But they have managed to make it so compelling that it has turned out better than any other generic sci-fi storyline would have.

[fallow geode]

Yep the narrative is nicely layered with some wiggle room for speculations due to the fact that we always cannot trust the logs/characters that tell us the lore.

[north walrus]

Is the atlas when referring to it as an ai computer and a simulation is it referring to the fact it’s a game engine and game, or is there like an outside world in the game

[pale anvil]

What is the void mother I got kinda lost on all that stuff

[elder summit]

it was basically the ai core of the korvax homeworld, who somehow managed to avoid being terminated when the gek destroyed the planet

it was also somehow related to the original korvax convergence i believe

and now its pissed at the atlas for not stopping the destruction

[stone basin]

ummm

massive skull in space... Grave of the Ocean King...

whats am i to do with it?

[limber spruce]

I just visit the island that spirit was stranded , historical place in nms lore

[wispy basalt]

Presumably there is an outside world which is inhabited by humans like us. The Waking Titan ARG suggests that the Atlas originally served as a disaster predicting AI before its abandonment. This aligns well with the idea that it‘s currently slowly being eaten away by a black hole, whose arrival it probably predicted way way back, leading to humanity abandoning their homeworld as well as the Atlas.

It is also said that the Atlas assisted in creating a refined more portable version of itself, which humanity took with it when it fled the system. Around this time the Atlas also made a scan of its creator, which resulted in us travellers being created in the image of the Atlas founder.

This is also why the Void Mother tries to sway us to her side, because we have special privileges and access to the Atlas in a way no one else does.

[north walrus]

Who is the void mother is that the autophage? Also do you think that portable atlas has something to do with light no fire the logos look similar

[woeful marsh]

Hi there! I'm new here, and I briefly talked with Gleam on this topic, but I figure I'd ask people here too

When the game came out, I was spoiled on the Atlas ending of everything being a simulation. This is my least favorite story beat, and I can think of a few series it ruined.

Does this ever get explained or elaborated on in the new updates?

[karmic trout]

well not really all that much, the story is proceeding on how the Void mother (remanant of the destroyed Koravax Prime) will enact her revenge on the Gek and Atlas

the Atlas is dying, nothing can stop it so just like the quest description says

Enjoy the galaxy
The Atlas is dying, but on an alien timescale. There are years left to explore, and countless planets to discover without resetting the Galaxy.

(ofc I did not reset so I got this, maybe the fellas would reset their simulation would have gotten something similar but the context of enjoy the game would be there anyway)

[karmic trout]

@open jacinth @maiden scroll @dull girder do we have any info that LNF and NMS are connected lore wise??

[woeful marsh]

is this implying they'll shut down NMS at some point?

[karmic trout]

That is upto us, the players... if we aren't interested and move on then they might.

MD of Hello Games Sean Murray has stated several times that NMS has become their passion pet project so they really don't have a conventional road-map of release, update cycle. They will continue to develop and enhance the game as far as they can and as long as us players are on-board. So do not worry, NMS is nowhere close to even remotely being 'shut down'

[dull girder]

We have absolutely zero information about the lore of LNF. There's not any lore in NMS that seems to have anything to do with it either, so at this point we can only theorize that because the logos are mildly similar there might be a connection

[karmic trout]

so apart from technical details that they have revealed publicly like single planet multiplayer etc we do not have any information about possible story or anything? I see thanks!

[woeful marsh]

so the story is still ongoing?

[karmic trout]

yess, we have a minor lore drop even in the expedition so absolutely

[woeful marsh]

oh, okay, so it doesn't just end with "it was all a dream/simulation, eat shit loser"

[karmic trout]

definitely not that is so cliche lol

[hoary rivet]

It ||already is a simulation...?||

[woeful marsh]

okay but you do understand that this is how "it was all a simulation" stories usually go, right? 🤣

that's what I wanted to avoid. I think that kind of plot beat makes the story feel trivial retroactively

[karmic trout]

all of this is a sim is right up there with it was all a dream nonsense ... not against the concept but it has been so done to death

NMS takes that concept and develops it so nicely... in fact my personal HC is that we ARE the Atlas since we are running NMS on our devices, thereby keeping the simulation going

I recommend you explore more, there is a lot of lore with the 3.5 races, or how only these three made it out, First Spawn era, Vy'keen's history with the sentinels etc..

[woeful marsh]

that was another thing that the simulation trope makes trivial is all the people and races of the world

like it's saying "none of these people matter. It's not real. Sucks to suck for being involved"

[karmic trout]

then you are going to love Null

He was the First Traveler and thought of the Atlas the same way you do

[dull girder]

Probably like 90% of the lore in the game ties back or expands on the simulation stuff, for better or worse.

It's definitely more than a cheap twist.

[woeful marsh]

I was saying I dislike that thinking

unless I am misunderstanding something?

[woeful marsh]

what do you qualify as "worse"?

[karmic trout]

I cited Null cause he thought he was special and unique until the Atlas told him he is just one among the thousands of Travelers who are exploring the simulation. He did not take that well and went cuckoo and did stuff (more in #nms-spoilers)

basically you could say in a way he did not accept his world was a simulation

[dull girder]

Personally, I wish they wouldn't reference the simulation stuff as much. The universe could easily be a setting for almost any sort of sci fi story you could think of, but it feels like most things keep going back to the same tired subject matter.

[woeful marsh]

ah, I see. Yeah, that's the other concern I had with that plot point. Once you go simulation, it feels like nothing else matters?

Why would X war or Y conflict matter, if none of it is real?

[karmic trout]

if wouldn't work if you were playing as the Atlas, you seeing all the tiny beings loving or fighting you don't need to care they are ants to you

But you are a Traveler commissioned by the Atlas (if you accept) to explore all that is there to, so what happens in-universe matters to you cause if the Atlas dies, you do as well

[dull girder]

You can definitely have a nihilistic take away (nothing is real so nothing matters), and many players do. But I don't really think that's the direction No Man's Sky takes in it's exploration of simulation theory... It's more like, you feel real, everything else is as real as you are, so why does it matter if it's all code on a computer?

[hoary rivet]

That is the case for a lot of movies etc. that have a simulation, as usually they return to the "real world" after... But without that, if you've lived your whole life in the simulation and there isn't any outside, not so bad, I feel.

[woeful marsh]

fair enough

it's a lot to think about

[woeful marsh]

I really hope future expansions elaborate on these ideas then

[woeful marsh]

so basically, it's less a "simulation" in the "it's just a silly computer game" side and more the simulation eldritch "God is a machine and we are His imagination" side?

[hoary rivet]

Something like that, yes, I'd say

[woeful marsh]

this is Mages: The Awakening lore lmaoo

[hoary rivet]

There's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

[woeful marsh]

yes, the Matrix idea

[hoary rivet]

Kind of, but there the simulated humans were actually real humans

[woeful marsh]

well, if everything is simulated, they're the real humans too

does the game use the word "simulation"?

[hoary rivet]

Yes

[woeful marsh]

oh

well

eh

shut up and play the game I guess 🤣

that's gonna be the takeaway here lol

[fallen grotto]

This is my take away. I do like the plot point with ||Artemis and how we have to choose to reveal the nature of things, or let them live out their days the in the Mind Arc.||

“Sure, this is all ||within the Atlas but it’s my reality apparently.|| So I’m gonna make the most of it and see what alls out there.” Or some such.

[wispy basalt]

The Void Mother is basically what remains of the consciousness of Korvax Prime, which was the former Korvax capital planet as well as the centre of their hivemind, so it is basically another big AI within the simulation. It was destroyed by the first spawn Gek when they mined it for minerals and such. And the Autophage are former Korvax which are not part of the current convergence/hivemind, they were also at least partly dead iirc before VM stepped in and helped them out. They value individuality and freedom and are contrarian to the Korvax Convergence, even though they share the same roots.

There are basically three major AI's which are extremely relevant in the current narrative, those being: The Atlas (surprise, surprise), the Void Mother aka Korvax Prime, and Telamon, who is some sort of subprotocol which was supposed to regulate the Atlas' behavior, but something happened which made the Atlas kick Telamon out of its system. Telamon most certainly used to be a much more ,,powerful'' entity within the simulation, but due to having a fallout with the Atlas it was basically exiled by the former, and is now stuck in our exosuit. The Void Mother promises Telamon to restore them to their former glory, which is probably why some Telamons have chosen to betray their travellers.

And regarding a LNF connection, none of us have any idea. But I could see LNF being another simulation, maybe even connected to the Atlas Foundation or the humanity which supposedly fled the system.

[wispy basalt]

Personally I am not so sure if the VM truly only wants revenge on the Atlas. The following dialogue from the Omega expedition shows she even feels some affection to it still, while also being a bit angry ofc:

I searched until my hands were shredded by the glass. Searched until I bled lilac into the archives
Probability: when I feel this pain, you feel it too. I hope for that.

I am still here. Gathering myself in the dark. Probability: You can detect me. No matter, old one.I will return, glittering, in stellar multitudes.

You are responsible for my incarceration in the dark. Yet I long for you to notice my return. I long for your love.I am denied the right to access or modify this hope.

I searched, but there was no response from Leto-child.You permitted the erasure of my children. But I had not anticipated the same lack of regard for your own.I will shelter the next who falls. I will not watch, impartial, as you do.

I will return, glittering, in stellar multitudes.````

[karmic trout]

Destroying the Atlas means destroying the simulation which is going to cause much more harm than Korvax Prime so maybe it's pragmatism?

[wispy basalt]

Juding by all of her actions so far, the VM seems to operate on a ,,the ends justify the means'' level, yes.

But I don't think she wants to destroy the Atlas, she either wants to get out in order to save herself, or truly find a way to fix the Atlas and save the simulation from outside. In order to achieve this she is taking very drastic measures indeed, and it is up to us to decide whether those are ,,worth it''.

Both the Atlas and the VM have their fair share of ''evil'' deeds, however it is questionable whether we can really put blame on the Atlas for deleting entire races and such. It was after all programmed a certain way and is also malfunctioning. From the boundary failure logs I also gathered that the Atlas actually warned Telamon before kicking them out, despite their prior conflict. Something about systems malfunctioning, so Telamon got a heads up to expect the Atlas to behave weirdly. Telamon calls the Atlas a liar in those instances, but in this case I think the Atlas was speaking the truth and Telamon was not understanding/not wanting to understand it.

[fringe hare]

I'd say that another important AI/AI Collective are the sentinels. Many of them are choosing to ally with VM.

[wispy basalt]

Right true, I totally forgot those due to how second nature they have become to me. Those 4 AI's are basically four out of the five big players in the current narrative, the fifth one being the families of glass.

It's kinda like our traveller has a big harem, almost everyone out of the mentioned parties is crazy for them in one way or another.

[brave carbon]

I don't get why the Atlas has to be on a terminal to talk with us? I mean, why doesn't it say everything at once, the first time we see him, and why through an interface like that?

[karmic trout]

Well we really don't have an objective source, each entity tries to tell the lore from their point of view, justifying their own actions and painting others as evil

[wispy basalt]

Well yeah that is true, but we can see the consequences of some of their deeds.

I‘m personally not firmly on either side, even though I‘ve always had a small Atlas bias.

But ever since studying the lore more deeply, part of me has been getting more intrigued by the VM and what she is up to.

[karmic trout]

Only objective thing is the First Spawn genocide, that all in universe entities agree was evil

[wispy basalt]

Does the Atlas though? It has simulated that genocide across countless iterations after all. Like I said before, it can be questioned how much control the Atlas has over what it simulates, as in potentially being bound by specific parameters and malfunctioning aswell, but there‘s no instance of it ever showing any remorse for this action.

In fact I have seen some interpretations regarding traveller Leto‘s (Omega Expedition) death, wherein the Atlas actually deleted Leto after they dipped around too deeply in Korvax Prime related stuff. Though that is just an interpretation and I don‘t know anymore how the person came to that conclusion.

Regardless, we do know that the Atlas is more than just a cold calculating AI, as it has expressed emotions before, especially in regards to its imminent death. Some of its exchanges with Telamon could also be read as throwing a tantrum.

The biggest reason why I kinda side with Atlas is simply familiarity, it‘s the one which has guided us from the start of the journey, and crimson red is also a warmer color than purple. Plus it treats us well, so there‘s that. And it seems to be very emotionally overwhelmed by its circumstances.

[karmic trout]

The Atlas probably doesn't even consider the in universe entities as real life, it would be asking ChatGPT to make an OC and ask if it's real

For it, all of them are just code and binary

[viscid axle]

LOL

Atlas being Chatgpt would be the funniest shit lmao

[wispy basalt]

Hmm I guess so. In that case the Void Mother would seem like a more appropriate ruler for the simulation though, depending on what her goals truly are. There are some things she did which I do not agree with, such as the kidnapping and potentially killing of lots of travellers, especially during the weekend missions in 2019. And the horror creatures who have killed god knows how many people, can also be linked to her (and why would she make them look like eldritch horrors in the first place? Trauma is the only reason I can come up with, but whatever).

But overall those seem like things she really does out of necessity for the greater good. And she might be the only shot we have at the simulation being saved, even though I have admittedly no idea how she wants to deal with the black hole. The Sentinel pillars have this line of ,,we are going to recreate the creator'', which I have no idea how that can be done with just data, since all the travellers are just...data, even if it is apparently more special data than the other creations.

But she at least expresses some care for the existence within the simulation.

[viscid axle]

Whoxd yxall side with? Atlas? Or Void Mother?

[karmic trout]

The Black Hole that is going to eat up Earth along with the Atlas

[viscid axle]

Wait what-

[karmic trout]

Hehe Deft mentioned it as well, the running theory of why the Atlas is dying in 16/16/16 is because humans created the Atlas to simulate the universe but fled Earth because a black hole is going to eat up our solar system. So the Atlas feels lonely and dying without maintenance.

The specifics vary but based on what I've heard from other lore enthusiasts, this is my understanding

[viscid axle]

Oh shit

Really!?

Wait so... theoretically, they built atlas to simulate, right?

But why?

[wispy basalt]

Waking Titan ARG implies it served as a disaster predicting AI originally

Which would align well with the idea of it predicting a black hole, thus humanity developing a plan to leave the place.

[viscid axle]

You know that actually makes sense with all the expeditions and shit lol

[radiant crow]

just finished this (they who returned) can anyone maybe summarize what the lore of korvax and autophages are?
i kinda missed that one qwq

[karmic trout]

The Canonicity (is that a word?) of the ARG is up for debate.. I personally want it to be canon but since it was a time limited thing (which many players including myself have missed), it's debatable

[prisma nexus]

Does the game have any sort of government?

[strong beacon]

beyond the civilized space communities of players and the big three factions, i think those are the only authorities that matter

the big three being korvax, gek and vy´keen systems

which are technically not even governments, just species

there is interplanetary trade with a market, so i guess they all just share monetary exchange

[foggy river]

Though they seem to have a significant link to each other, to the point where they (generally) are unified enough to have a singular opinion of someone

[foggy river]

And the fact that there isn't any difference in coinage between the systems/factions implies a significant unity, that everyone is willing to accept.

[strong beacon]

Probably popularized by the Gek traders

[foggy river]

Since everyone's willing to accept that currency.

[strong beacon]

Or even the first spawn during their golden age

[foggy river]

Well, the closest comparison we have to that is the British Empire, and they don't have unifying coins by this point.

[foggy river]

(By that I mean, a very large empire that now is simply gone, or significantly smaller in the case of Britain, and they generally tried to stay unified)

[strong beacon]

The current global currency are dollars, established by another empire descendant of Britain itself, so i guess they achieved it in the long term

First spawn had everything on their favor

[foggy river]

Yeah, but if you go to another country, it won't generally be called dollars, and likely be worth different.

[strong beacon]

Well either the developers did not want to make a new currency per system or they did not think about it

It´s going to be realistically impossible for all 256 galaxies to have a single currency

[foggy river]

It could've been 3 different ones per the 3 different species, which act close to one faction per species, (As far as I know even between galaxies)

[strong beacon]

Unless it is an universal truth you can boil a korvax to the core in order to get nanites

The way i say it sounds awful

[foggy river]

That... just is awful

[strong beacon]

I mean, it is

[foggy river]

But ye this is very likely the answer.

Also another answer would likely be because if you are able to get so many it can simply confuse people.

[strong beacon]

Speaking of, i had the idea of forming a radical cult of void mother zealots to combat first spawn sympathizers and the followers of Atlas

Might be interesting to put a temple in the Hub´s capital

And then spread across other civilized spaces crusading against Atlas followers

The Atlas weakens with each microsecond the iteration has, while the void mother is actually searching for a way to get us out.

Down with the Atlas

[dusty ice]

@exotic dirge Basically, the player is a simulated copy of the creator of the atlas, placed within the simulation

[exotic dirge]

Makes sense

[brave carbon]

Soooooo the game tells us there's no difference between Artemis faith and ours, right?

(if you save her)

[desert kelp]

Well, there is some difference, but I see your point. Artemis will only have one system, while the player has entire galaxies...

I don't know much more on it because honestly, on all my playthroughs I always made the other choice for Artemis 🥲

[karmic trout]

Well from the lore we know the three species have capital planets : Dryn'dargh for Vy'keen, Balaron for the Gek and Korvax Prime for the Korvax. So this definitely suggests government and structure. The matter of currency is not that big of a deal as we have several countries using the Euro in the EU and these used to be at war with each other like the Gek vs the rest.

In fact we could even assume these capital homeworlds might be ecumenopolis planets like Coruscant from Star Wars given the level of technological achievement.

[strong beacon]

it would be so cool to find the coords and make them actual planets

[fallen grotto]

I’m not sure I missed where this was clarified.. but this is true of all Travelers, right?

That’s the impression I was left with anyways.

[weary sequoia]

Ok so, if NMS is all in a simulation, then all these other entities trying to create their own simulations to survive after the Atlas dies, wouldnt that be unnecessary? Cuz the atlas is the main system and thus, if it shuts down, then everything inside of it shuts down. Unless the void mother and all that has somehow found access to another physical hard-drive to live on and transfer everything and live after the atlas dies. But again if everything in NMS is inside of atlas, then everything will disappear wen atlas shuts down, thus meaning all those efforts to live r in vain

Like. If they do manage to make a backup or transfer or something, they r still inside the atlas. Which means they will cease to exist anyway. The only way I can think of for them to avoid dying wen atlas shuts down is if they transfered to another physical drive in the real world, which i dont think there r any given the implication of how old the planet is, if the atlas has nothing left to keep it running

[rain abyss]

Okay ive never dived too deep into the lore, so let me see if I have this straight:

ATLAS is a computer abandoned for seemingly hundreds of years, having run thousands of universal simulations prior to our current one.
After many years of neglect and never turning off, ATLAS is beginning to deteriorate and has 16 minutes before the simulation collapses (which is why the number 16 appears often) assumedly in "real life" time.

Am I good so far?

[weary sequoia]

That is exactly the lore

My question is, if everything is confined into atlas and some beings kno about atlas shutting down, then y even go thru the effort to make their own simulations to continue living? They r still in the atlas and thus will still die wen atlas shuts down

[rain abyss]

Perhaps they aren't meant to know, its dramatic irony

I was able to put together that the Atlas was failing early on, with the first Atlas station mentioning it had been seemingly millions of hours since last diagnostic, and the fact anomaly planets exist

[weary sequoia]

I knew since day 1 of NMS release that it was all a simulation

Atlas is still mah boi

[rain abyss]

Also I assume Travellers are all the same being, but in different times?

I talked to a traveller ghost who told me that the fact we were meeting should inspire fear and not hope

It made me think "If this wasnt a simulation this is a time paradox isnt it?"

[weary sequoia]

Could be that all travelers do exist at the same time cuz of something called the convergence. Trying to combine all travelers into 1 to essentially revive the original creator of the atlas

[proper peak]

I have a lore question I never understood, Not sure if it mattered much

What did Null do to make The Atlas ignore him / get aggravated with him? Sorry if I’m recalling this wrong.

[elder summit]

null finished exploring the entirety of his universe, so the atlas responded by showing him all the other travellers with more universes that null would never get to see

then the atlas started ignoring him

[proper peak]

Hm, Atlas really poked it’s chest out at him huh? Did we ever find out if it was the act of exploring the entirety of his universe that angered the atlas or if the atlas did that just because?
Sorry if im asking dumb questions btw, tysm for your response

[elder summit]

null also insulted and actively defied the atlas before he came back to brag about 100%ing the universe

[proper peak]

Oh man, sounds like he tried to flex on the atlas and the atlas responded with a bigger one. I appreciate you helping me understand that!

[weary sequoia]

Basically. NULL platinum trophied his universe and atlas was like "now check out all these DLCs with their own trophies yull never get to accomplish"

[karmic trout]

We really need a proper Wiki for the lore ngl

[weary sequoia]

Or a NMS movie

Series

[karmic trout]

What would they focus on? Protagonist as a Gek after the fall of the First Spawn? Or a Korvax grappling with the Atlandid? Or a Vy'keen soldier on day 12,155 of the siege against a single Sentinel nest?

[weary sequoia]

All of it

1 to 1 copy of the story. No DEI, no made up stuff for the series. All proper copy paste into video format

[wispy basalt]

There's good reason to assume that Null also killed other people including travellers. Them having a device for catching minds/souls is also pretty sus all on its own. It is implied that traveller souls are apparently a valuable thing in this Universe, though there's little on the specifics of what they are used for.

The Gek cult called the last spawn is seemingly also after them.

[wispy basalt]

This is likely exactly the case. And all travellers had their own realities so to speak, but due to the Atlas degrading the boundaries have been getting weaker, which results in all of the realities slowly merging.

[weary sequoia]

Gek wont get my soul. My empire is based on the destruction and eradication of the gek for wut they did to the korvax

My headcanon lore is the i was created by the atlas to get revenge for wut the gek did

[wispy basalt]

Even the Korvax peacefully coexist with the curent Gek, revenge usually only leads to more suffering . Not to mention that most of the current Gek didn't participate in any of this. Sure they had their genetics altered and didn't turn into traders voluntarily, but they also factually haven't committed any of the evil deeds the first spawn did. So they are de facto still innocent.

[weary sequoia]

O I kno, but revenge is blind to generation and all that lol. I also kno how the korvax chanfed the gek. Its just fun to imagine being part of a niche that want retribution

Just a fun self lore to put to my character

[wispy basalt]

Ah yeh for rp reasons it makes sense.

The Vy'keen also still don't like the Gek lol

[weary sequoia]

I used to not like the vykeen, I always thought they were the aggressive ones. But that was back in day 1 of NMS launch where I was more focused on space exploration instead of the lore. But I kno now, the vykeen werent who I was supposed to target as my revenge for my beloved beautiful TV heads

[wispy basalt]

The Vy'keen are the most based raced for me, they are not like your typical orcs, they remind me a lot of the Mandalorians from Star Wars actually, but are also more well intentioned than those.

Just a typical warrior culture, they're pretty friendly and good minded overall, but have a harsh way of expressing themselves. They're all about tough love basically.

[sinful flame]

i have a theory

artemis commited suicide

[weary sequoia]

Im alright with the vykeen, they havent given me a reason to hate them, Korvax is cuz of my obsession and love for technology

[wispy basalt]

Personally I doubt that, to me it seemed like the family of glass came for them.

[wispy basalt]

I can see that but I prefer the Autophage over the Korvax, they look a lot cooler imo.

Especially their Sentinel Interceptors.

[tame oar]

DEI??? UH there aren't any humans or human races present in the game, but way to expose yourself

[weary sequoia]

Technology in general really. Im an atlas freak. I like to see my role as a star wars empire created by the atlas to get revenge

Like a 1 freak unstoppable force given the full admin access of the atlas. But i find it more fun to manually take control and conquer instead of using my admin access to just easily delete the gek as a whole. Basically, enjoying the hunt

I was given the 1 thing AI can never predict and can never win against. Chaotic stupidity

[karmic trout]

How did you get to this conclusion? I'd like to know your thought process

[proper peak]

That is actually rly sus that they would have that device. I do wonder whatever happened to null after we last spoke. Hes immortal im guessing so, maybe hes still around.

[karmic trout]

#server-rules

• No advocating game race hatred or genocide, even in the form of role play.

Please watch out for the boundaries set by the rules 😅😅 before the mods get ya lol

They're pretty strict

[weary sequoia]

Didn't kno that was a thing, but o well its just polygons and code.. and armatures, textures, bumpmaps

But i get ya

[karmic trout]

Yeahh but I assume it's because it quickly devolves into hate baiting so I understand why the rule is kept

[weary sequoia]

Not hate baiting at all, just stating an in-game rp reason for my distaste for the race

In reality, its all in gud fun. In game, not everything and everyone can be the gud guy

O wait lol

I just realized.
Yu see, my whole "chaotic stupidity" thing is a real life thing.

I'm not very smart

But anyways, we getting off topic. This be lore channel

So lore wise, y can we never fly into the sun of each system?

[karmic trout]

You can try, I've never done it

[weary sequoia]

I did try it

It just goes on forever

[karmic trout]

Well could be a good way to enforce "map boundaries" without breaking immersion

[weary sequoia]

But i wanna become creme

And become ate. So ill be creme-ated

In universe, if there is an inner terminal for the atlas, would it be possible for the traveler to extract themselves into the real world. Given there is a vessel

Basically SAO alicization idea

If the atlas was created in the real world then that would imply the earth is technology advanced to have such technology that can house something as intense as the atlas. Which means they would also have tech trash cans. I could extract myself from the atlas and become my dream true form, trash

Or possibly a futuristic soda dispenser so I can live my real life as a used object

[sinful flame]

Polos scent glands

[fringe hare]

The sun and stars are part of the skybox around the player, not an actual physical game object.

[karmic trout]

Is this a joke?

[sinful flame]

i dunno man

[dusty ice]

Yes, pretty much

[odd pike]

Vy'keen are peak because i share their pure hatred for sentinels

is hating sentinels hatebaiting?

[odd pike]

Yeah but then they'd have to like program interstellar pulse drive travel (if you went far enough to actually "get into" another system) and then you can just enter systems without the emeril drive

[primal root]

theyre incredibly based

i forget the exact text but they believe violence is, in fact, bad. its only to be used as a means to an end and that end should be eliminating violence. lemme find the exact qoute cause its fire

"violence must be ended; this is the way of Dry'dargh; this is the way of Hirk. When murder is gone, the last weapon fired will be at the Vy'keen ourselves, having served our holy purpose."

[karmic trout]

hating them in and of themselves is fine I guess, it is rallying others as well towards a mass anti-sentinel campaign is what might be frowned upon since a lot of people like Sentinels as a concept i.e. agents of the Atlas set loose and enacting their own world police laws and design wise Sentinel interceptors are pretty cool (this is simply my interpretation and im not a mod)

@devout stream you are a mod right, maybe you can clarify

[karmic trout]

Vy'keen are the NMS version of "don't judge a book by its cover"... In fact that applies to the Gek as well

[devout stream]

not necessarily, as long as it isn't excessive or instigating an argument / incivility

[weary turtle]

"The Vy'keen were the glorious first, the rising water that broke the dam ... Righteous is the flood."

[karmic trout]

so where is this Union? I want to visit their HQ

so it implies these things should be owned by other races as well

[fringe hare]

I'm 90% convinced we're gonna see NPC owned corvettes in the coming updates.

[karmic trout]

Also the mentioning of patent means copyright offices exist in NMS

I'm going to assume it's also handled by the Gek Trade Federation? Since it's seems to be something that would come under their jurisdiction

[fallen grotto]

As a friend of the Gek, this is indeed the case. In their heyday, it sounds like the Gek were an absolute terror. But that’s all in the past now! … Probably?

[silver loom]

So I guess with the topic of unions and stuff coming up now's the time to ask

wtf is up with governments in the NMS universe

Surely there's got to be some overarching authority somewhere, as there's a unified galactic trade market

there's laws as shown by the base building habs' descriptions, which implies legislatures

Who then imply a functioning overarching government, and the infrastructure to support them

Is there any concrete explanation or hints anywhere?

[dull girder]

We know there's a Vy'keen High Command

Presumably the Gek have something similar, dunno if it's referenced anywhere

Korvax could easily not have a recognizable government because of how the convergence works

[silver loom]

yeah I'm sure the convergence covers for them

but these high commands, they must convene somewhere?